I am a new member of this group, and am from Turkey. Here, there has been a book written named "the birthdate of god". The writer tells that he has been having messages from God. And he writes about Kur'an's suras, referring to reincarnation e.t.c.He tells in the book that;infact there is no hell, everyone is going to heaven after death, but has hell in earth after reincarnation....yes, it seems nonsense, but the book is so convincing with examples and suras of Kur'an. So i 'd like to have your brief opinions about reincarnation and Kur'an..
Thanks for your answer,
With love and peace
Benan
My understanding of the Quran, is that there is no reincarnation...
Welcome to the forum BTW :welcome:
Peace
Al
thank you for the warm welcome :)
:welcome:
Many articles, books, etc.. seem very convincing... key-word 'seem'.
Be sure to verify those claims as many people tend to twist words in order to prove a certain point of view.
peace and welcome
23:99 Until death comes to one of them, he says: "My Lord, send me back."
23:100 "So that I may do good in that which I have left behind." No, it is but a word he is speaking. And there is a barrier to prevent them from going back until the Day they are all resurrected.
Peace
As I understand the reincarnation doctrine, people do so because they need to grow spiritually. Those who fail are sent back to do so. There comes a point where the person simply is destroyed and their energies are put to other use. They are recycled in Da'ath.
Joe
thanks all..there is no reincarnation, i see..but here is a new book published in turkey, and gives the suras (above sura too) and wants to prove that it is the sign of rein..and writer explains the sura as: "no one will go to their ex life again..now there is a new body.." ...this book seems very dangerous because, it says it gives a better and new dimension to Kur'an and the witer says, he is informed by the GOD...I'm in Istanbul, and the book has lots of fans, a small group of (people including me) want to write a book against his book. He even tells about reiki, auras, chakras, elif-lam -mim words....the writer wants to publish his book in U.S.A.,too.So now you have an idea..For those who knows Turkish, they can read about him in www.burakozdemir.com
Thanks for your ideas. And for the warm welcome :)
Peace and welcome bebbekolik
why don't you give as a list of theses suras ? ;D
This subject is very interesting and i personally do not exclude the possibility of reincarnation.
You might also want to read some thread on reincarnation / or not. Arnold yasin intervention on this subject were imo particularly interesting !
I'll try and find the thread for you
lk
one : http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11658.0
two : http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11653.0
and just use search function
Quote from: TheNabi on October 08, 2007, 03:46:13 PM
Peace
As I understand the reincarnation doctrine, people do so because they need to grow spiritually.
But what's the point if they cannot remember their previous slow growth?
Peace
They should be able to recall those previous incarnations. When they are resurrected it is into a situation that fits their disposition at that point. But it is possible that people are able to recall the past and learn from it.
Joe
peace
so why is hell even mentioned if everybody would just keep returning to learn and grow more and not make mistakes...
then they would all go to heaven, there would be no hell...
but it is mentioned that hell exists and people will enter it
Peace
Nerspi I'm not sure what you're talking about. Sure there is punishment for beings in the quran. From an occult perspective all eventually unite with No-Thing, i.e. Perfect Peace Profound, the Unmanifest, the source of all possibility. The divine sparks here gain experience and seek to unite with that from which all came.
Joe
peace
Quote from: TheNabi on October 08, 2007, 03:46:13 PM
Peace
As I understand the reincarnation doctrine, people do so because they need to grow spiritually. Those who fail are sent back to do so. There comes a point where the person simply is destroyed and their energies are put to other use. They are recycled in Da'ath.
Joe
i was talking about this what you said here. i heard that too from people, those who fail are sent back (which goes against 23:99,100), and they say they're sent back (reincarnated) so many times until they learn their lesson, so they would not go to hell, in fact, if everybody did that, got reincarnated and came back, they would all learn their lesson eventually and all would go to heaven, nobody would go to hell, at least that's what i heard from people who believe in reincarnation, (but that goes against what quran says).
Peace
Indeed, totally different doctrines. There is also an assumption among some muslims that Hell is temporary and eventually these people will be sent to heaven, although a 2nd Earth is also a possibility. Heaven itself is seemingly a place of advancement as well. :)
Joe
peace nerspi,,
heaven and hell can also be seen allegorically as states of mind right here on earth
:hmm
lk
peace elke
umm... ok, that's also a possibility,
but it mentions many times they will be in hell after death, they will find that out on judgement day (which would be after they die), and sometimes it says they will have it bad here on earth and after death (on both sides).
Peace nersp
true.
It is also said you can't go back to the former life to make things up but does that mean you don't go back at all or just not to the previous life to make up ?
So many things can be interpreted in different ways...
lk
peace all
Quote from: Elke on October 12, 2007, 10:22:51 AM
So many things can be interpreted in different ways...
yes, but i look at other verses too, and if i came to a conclusion that there is such thing as reincarnation, i would notice a contradiction. so i try to understand it so that it fits all things mentioned about the issue.
but since some say it's wrong for me to come to any concluions i like to listen to what others say.
Quote from: nerspi on October 14, 2007, 12:34:43 PM
peace all
yes, but i look at other verses too, and if i came to a conclusion that there is such thing as reincarnation, i would notice a contradiction. so i try to understand it so that it fits all things mentioned about the issue.
but since some say it's wrong for me to come to any concluions i like to listen to what others say.
Peace nerspi,
why should it be wrong to come to a conclusion ? It's a good thing though to continue listening as no conclusion needs to be final.
lk
peace
Quote from: Elke on October 15, 2007, 10:33:58 AM
why should it be wrong to come to a conclusion ? It's a good thing though to continue listening as no conclusion needs to be final.
well tell that to them (hf). i have come to quite a few conclusions myself and after i checked, i was right, so i don't see a problem here either.
but spending a lot of time with them (hf), they scared me, saying that coming to conclusions yourself without checking with someone who's knowledgable is just folloing desires and looking for verses to back up what you want to believe.
but based on what i've seen, i'm sure there's no reincarnation.
if anyone has any quranic verses proving there is, i'd like to see it.
hf ?
oh these ;D
peace all
i'm starting to think there is such a thing as reincarnation.
read more about it, people who had nde's, seems like a possibility, but i'm leaning towards it being more like we had previous lives in previous universes, not on this earth.