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Started by hakeema, May 17, 2024, 09:22:57 AM

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Quote from: Fusion on May 22, 2024, 12:37:56 PMJkhan, I usually really appreciate and want to understand your explanations and wisdom. However, when you use phrases like "Read my translation and I know it won't impress you..." and "Until Allah guides, you keep exploring..." or even a cliche statement like " Allah knows who is guided aright.."  it feels like you've already decided that others' opinions, including mine, are not valid or won't reconcile with yours. What's wrong with allowing space for different perspectives? I hope my understanding is wrong about your strong statements.

It's so unfortunate that you concentrated my personal view over the reply.. 

If you have an emotional reaction to almost everything that is directed or  said to you,  you will ever continue to suffer... Genuine strength is relax or sit and observe things with much logic and restrain the self thats power..  If others statements control you and that literally means everyone can control your SELF... So...inhale and naturally allow things to go by...

BTW.. Sister Hakeema's one question Brither GL answered.. Second question is why used 'WE'..reason is this learned person already foresee future and and knew the intention of Allah to purify the boy  and in order to make it successful this learned person also contributed by giving strong sort of intimidation.. So involvement is there... Not only Allah but also this learned person and who knows many a malaika also involved in the life of the boy to become purified.. Though statement came from the mouth of the learned person in the story, he represented whoever involved in it.. It is like a group of people go to president and one speak and say "WE want freedom".. Though person ABC spoke to president he involved whoever meant..
Let us die with guidance

Bajram Hoxhaj

Quote from: Fusion on May 22, 2024, 02:28:59 AMYes I understood it and your point of view is very clear as various forms and meanings of the Arabic root "قتل" (q-t-l) which can indeed have different connotations depending on the context and diacritical marks.

قَالَ أَقَتَلْتَ نَفْسًۭا زَكِيَّةًۭ:
أَقَتَلْتَ (aqatalta): Moses's question "Have you killed a pure soul" refers to an act that resulted in death, not just severe beating.

In this context the words "فَقَتَلَهُۥ" and "أَقَتَلْتَ" clearly denote the act of killing.

Replace kill with thrash read in context without contradiction.

18:74 so precedes dual until when of met dual boy of so thrash him
said has thrash thou soul of pure in other than soul (soullessness) ...

5:32 from term such decreed we of on children Israel
that he who slew soul of in other than soul (soullessness)
or spreading corruption in the land
so as if slew the humanity altogether of and who saves it
so as if saves the humanity altogether of

Babylonian Talmud (Talmud Bavli) compiled around the 5th to 6th centuries CE, in the Jewish academies of Babylonia (modern-day Iraq) includes "in Israel."

Sanhedrin 4:5 (Mishnah): "Therefore, the first man was created alone, to teach you that whoever destroys a single life in Israel is considered by scripture to have destroyed an entire world; and whoever saves a single life in Israel is considered by scripture to have saved an entire world."

Jerusalem Talmud (Talmud Yerushalmi) compiled in the Land of Israel earlier around 4th century CE does NOT include "in Israel," implying a universal application.

Lastly, to lose a child is the most traumatic and ultimate test of faith.

2:286 not burdens الله soul of except capacity its ...

29:1 الم (with next verse in oldest manuscripts)
29:2 do calculate the people that left they of that sayeth they of believe we of and they not tested being?



Let's raise some rational concerns hypothetically concuring 'if the boy was brutally murdered by a stranger /visitor to the town accompanied by Allah's Messenger '....

1.... Is that town void of law against murder or this person is exempted from murdering or are they afraid of him?
2... Did he kill the boy and left him on the spot or did he burry him instantly and secretly or did he handover the deceased to the concerned?

3... Did he take permission of parents before killing him or all on his accord since he foresees future and did parents ever come to know their boy was murdered and did parents ever come to know the intention behind killing?

4... Had he asked permission of parents, would they give green signal and would they immediately realize his promise being an stranger in the Town.. Musa's reaction doesn't sound that he took permission from parents.. Does he? 
5.... Would that be possible as  parents to go through while the person is still a boy and harmless and not harmed anyone and killing for a latent reason.. ?
6... Would the society and the rulers allow for two strangers to murder an innocent boy of their town given the reasons that the parents would get a new baby soon and can they sneak through without being punished for felony and wouldn't the rulers prison the murderer until his prophesy come true.. how to trust and allow to murder one of their members and Scotfree ?

7... Most significantly, even if the boy grew up and became a rebellious disbeliver, then is killing the only option to curb parents being harmed in the future by this person and isn't their any other option at all as a wise man ? Is that what Musa came to learn?

8.....Cant this wise man secretly sell the boy to anyone(disbeliever) who wishes to adopt him as a son or slave and still let them have a new baby as future prophesied and let this boy grow up as a rebellious disbeliver somewhere else in the Earth and is he the only disbeliver in the Earth to spare him?
9... Can any parents tolerate an innocent boy being murdered with the promise of getting a new believing and pure boy similar to their belief in his stead? How cruel and selfish those parents could possibly be.. For their future security admitting murder willingly ?

10.... Why can't Allah take the boy's life naturally or through accident etc if indeed Allah intended to REPLACE the boy with another?  Is that so difficult?  Why not kill the boy when he grew up and a actual threat to his parents in all wildest manners..?
11....  Is that the ideal solution from the Lord, I mean to kill everyone who grow up with latent potentiality to be rebellious people to communities of believers? Then what's the reason of creation of human being with freewill while most of them are destined for humiliation in the hereafter.
Let us die with guidance