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We do not exist besides God, anything else would be the association Muslims are so obsessed about.

Bold: Someone who was a true acknowlegder of The Creator knew Allah/God (SWTAY) wasn't like that stupid false deity as you described. That was a lot of people unfortunately think of because of some bigoted douchebags, both religous and atheists made The Lord of the Worlds/Universe.

To me the word God has nothing to do with any pagan or some weird things. It's a modern english title of The Divine Infinite Creator (SWTAY)
I pretty sure calling Allah (SWTAY) God is nothing horrifying because it wouldn't be fair you get in trouble for that.

If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.

Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda

Please read yourself how it is perceived in mainstream understanding.

Personally, I take the word to be derived from "self" which is how the letters خود khuwd are used in modern Persian, e.g. خودت "yourself". That is in line with the real meaning of allah as well and the "I am who I am" from the Bible.

Once upon a time there must have been someone who knew "God" is just not an angry jealous skyman sitting on a throne on the Moon and is angry because people wish to ascend and take space.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

It may be possible "God" is a linguistic perversion of the Persian "khuda" which is in line with the Indo-European heritage. The ancient Persians did have a prominent influence on the world around them. Why it fell to "G" may be due to the pronunciation of خ kh is not all too easy in foreign languages.

There are indications that there may have been a similar pronunciation further back in etymology and it may even have been with an "a" sound in the end.

Source: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god

Observe that the hypothesis about khuda is not on that etymology site but it is my logical assumption and the etymology reference is to show examples of used syllables.

Of course jafar can believe what he wants and you can do the same.
I am saying,as far as my understanding of Qoran goes,I disagree with him
.And I disagree with what you are saying as well. The Arabic text is free form tempering and remains original.
GOD bless.
Peace.

We can agree to disagree then.

[It think it's more of the Quran worshipper CLAIM that it was written/authored/inspired by God..]

Peace jafar.
This is always going to be your excuse for not studying and checking Qoran yourself?,Quote:
It think it's more of the Quran worshipper CLAIM that it was written/authored/inspired by God..

I am saying the Qoran,(read it) claims that is is the words/authorship of the Lord of the universe!!!! Common, you can read it or do you want me to state where and what it says?

You are making "hay" with humans interpretation of Qoran ,and like those before you who tried it,you are going to have to check it and analyse it properly yourself?!!!
Your argument about religions may be valid at times ,but the one about Qoran looks bare and stale. In fact it shows a lot of ignorance about the book.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

I think that Jafar is entitled to his opinion and I can understand that he does not believe Quran to be supernatural in origin due to how the writing presents itself and how primitive it sounds. In that I also share his opinion and if it was not because I found that someone simply inserted their own (flimsy) interpretation which had nothing to do with what was written above the innocent text, I would also not have anything to do with Quran these days and I would probably be studying a whole great deal more on the Biblical Gospels and other texts.

However, thanks to the patience I had with Quran I know more than I would have ever done without it and I can understand the linguistic problems with the Biblical phrasings such as "son of man" and "son of god" which sound like that because they are a little poorly translated and on top of that misinterpreted. No one is the biological/bodily offspring of God, but they can shape (tune in) their mind into being alike God's and so they can be advanced beings.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Well, if it is an egg miraculously fertilized in a woman by a supernatural manipulation of the subatomic and/or energy structure of the universe, then no other prerequisite has to be fulfilled. However, the miracle would have a difficulty working today since we have made methods of fertilizing female eggs artificially and probably no one would anyways have believed Miryem today due to that.

However, like I said, Eysua's birth is no big deal to us today and I would be more concerned about the teaching of his, of not being attracted to the worldly vanity and driven by the instinct of the body.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

[keep the religion intact and grow stronger]

And utmost necessary to keep the religion intact and grow stronger...
Otherwise member of Islam can come and go as they please...

Loyalty is #1

Attitude, creativity, good character, good deeds, wonderful soul doesn't matter... it's your loyalty to your religion (which is Islam as the only true religion) that matter..

"Verily the only acceptable religion to Allah is Islam." [Quran 3:19]

The goal of the invention of religion is not about 'seeking truth' but to expand dominion and power...
To ensure loyalty, a threat of punishment and torture for all eternity by the deity is necessary.. (and quite common if we also study other religion especially middle eastern religion).



I always fail to understand why the "True God" will ever become angry..
Especially if His wrath was triggered by an action, statement or point of view of a primitive and puny being called human which He took as 'mockery'. (very sensitive and emotional God). The primitive being is also His own creation where the True God has 100% full control of every aspect of their life (action, thought, desire etc..) and also due to the fact that True God's plan will always be executed to 100% level of accuracy by everything in all universes..
Thus if a 'mockery' did happened from any being.. that is also 100% in accordance to the plan of the True God..

That means ordinary but thoughtful people can be more advanced than this projection of "God", because they can be in control of emotions and adhere to logic.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

I doubt that 3isa spoke inthe cradle. Maryam said what she was told to say by the voice that she had made a vow not to speak and pointed to the baby.

They baby did not speak, but the baby was the thing to understand. You do not have to question a woman why she has a baby, the baby does not need any explanation. Any baby is born because God said be and it is.

When a baby is int he world, what is there to question? The baby itself is all the answer you need. If you need more and hear that he is going to be a great man or something like that is that going to change anything at all? No God is the Ruler of the arham, of the wombs and there is no questionning why anyody was born. That is what 3isa ibnu Maryam s saying in the cradle while not needing to say a single word, that is what Maryam points at and that is what the voice to told her keep mum wants us to know.

Motherhood is beyond human protocols, beyond human conventions, it is directly tied to God, it is not subservient to any convention. Subhannallah, subhannallah, subhannallah

Salaam

I doubt it too. But then I doubt most of what the traditional rendition of Quran says, it is simply not credible.

And I put forth arguments on the word at hand which was lashes. Now probability is included in logic and how seriously would you take a sentence with so many problems. I could discuss it further, but I have no interest in doing it with you.

As for rendering the passage I will not do here and your show of attitude suggests a person of people I am not interested in. Flawed behavior is an imperfection, so come back when you have made the step ahead of it.