All good things happen from Allah alone but all bad things befall us only from what our own hands have wrought. Our planning for the future, our activities and work are based essentially upon the limited knowledge we have experienced through our physical sensations and upon our abilities based on it and put in our efforts with brute tolerance. With all these rudimentary efforts we set our eyes upon ultimately the money, our only goal.
There is another ability within every individual, 'the power of the soul' in the heart of hearts by which we wish for or mindfully and prayerfully reflect upon every subjective feeling placed in it as the 'need of the hour'. For example, the need of the hour is that we shall not suffer from any evil whatsoever from diseases to poverty; nor suffer from servitude; nor ourselves becoming aggressive and atrocious against the common man. There are these subjective warnings in our hearts that: we shall not lie; backbite; dishonor the word given to; nor suspect; nor be proud; never rejoice over what you have gained materially; nor shall you grieve over what have lost from you; never fear nor worry for by all odds your savior is God.
He created for us the heavens and the earth and made them subservient to us so that we perch upon the Arsh, by His Leave. Until such time you gain it, He rules the roost; He blesses us just not the skies and the earth but His word is that He would make us inherit even the heavens of the world after! To be a believer of this order - we cannot believe in the knowledge of the physical sensations, experiences, explorations of the objective celestial bodies; and shun from our hearts the men, matters and materials as our needs.
God has created us as individuals looking up to Him with gratitude, in every breath of us. It is mandatory on us for us to believe and live as an individual and return unto Him on the hour determined for us, all alone, in the way He created us. If Allah alone is our creator, He alone is the nourisher, the sustainer, the savior, the enricher and the designer of our future - then only Allah and none else besides Him. This is the life of 'no - association - to - God'. These are the believers, the victorious in this world and in the world after.
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If 'Allah alone suffices us' is our Oath, we shall not visit doctors at all in our lives for if we do so it amounts to association to many of Allah's Names: The Curer, The Protector, The Sustainer, The Helper, The Purifier, The Healer, The Almighty, The Wise, The Nourisher, The Forgiver, The One Who brings the Life from the Dead, The Seer of our suffering, The Hearer of our prayers, The Knower of all things, The Reliever, The Peace giver, The Patient, The Closest....
Whoever do lip services to Allah saying openly the following:
1. "Allah is One" for all our needs;
2. "Allah is needless" of our possessions;
3. "Allah did not receive" from you anything for all that He does for you; nor by the leave of
"Allah have you received any good."
4. "And there is none and nothing equivalent to Him" to deliver your needs for all time to come.
But do not follow the above in real time, they are the most hateful people in the eyes of Allah for they say to others what they do not do themselves.
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Shun the Jama'at if we fear 'The Day of Judgement'
Allah created us singly and we have to lead our lives by the Guidance within and each shall live as a discrete individual and then we are to return unto him singly in the way we were created and delivered into this universal noumenon. We will be questioned and judged individually and not as groups or jama'ats, the individuals of which are dependent on each other. The individuals belong to any group with their collective living feel independent of God himself. This is crime enough to be thrown into hell en masse. We cease to be an element of any group or member of a band of collective people, say, Jama'ats.
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To make an uncultivable land fertile and rich in natural produce
To wipe out famine by God's grace...
The hardened rejecters and the hypocrites say, "We ploughed, seeded, watered and cultivated the land; and thus we brought forth the produce."
If we ask these boastful rejecters to produce the vegetations and prove their claim in the famine hit parched land under the ever scorching sun where the weather has become dry hot and where the air is still without movement, what would be their say? And the land was dead long ago and the peasants and the people have already fled far away as there was not a single living thing on the earth. Now their answer would be 'how is it possible without water, air and breeze?' Then what is that they are boasting about in the land which is fertile by itself and while all its life force embracing it from all around by God's Will and Command? If only this pride is not there with the people, but are humble and grateful for what they eat of a fertile land, God would have provided them with plentiful fruits-bearing trees of innumerable varieties; and would have gushed forth springs from the earth and caused clear rivers of water to flow with its unchangeable sweetness; and with that there could have been rivers of all the fruits from those fruits-blearing trees.
To all the famine hit people, God's glad tiding is this: only if you 'wish for the fruit-bearing trees', the land would become fertile with its gushing waters and flowing rivers from underneath. We know there are some trees such as the teak trees which would sap up the ground water, but until we read the following verses we never knew that the fruit bearing trees would necessarily bring water springs. And nobody would starve on this earth without food if only there are no educated, resourceless, proud and boastful, rejecting, hypocritical agriculturists.
"A Sign for the boastful agriculturists is the earth that is dead: We do give it life, and produce grain therefrom, of which ye do eat;"
"And We produce therein orchard with date-palms and vines, and We cause springs to gush forth in those fruit bearing gardens:"
"That the people may eat of the fruit thereof, and their hands made it not. Will they not, then, give thanks?"
Giving thanks to God here is letting the people and the inhabitants and the passersby eat of the fruits of God's gardens without hoarding it and selling it for money. If they abide by this decree, they will be watered more and more; and splendorous gardens would further expand for God accepts the deeds of the humble and grateful who guard and ward off all human ways of living.
A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their guard are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord.
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We should turn towards Allah in our prayer; Allah says east and west belong to Allah and to whichever direction you turn, there is Allah's guidance. If this is true, every mosque built in the direction of the Black Stone is irreligiously opposed to Allah's direction. Anyone who enters the mosque for prayers earns the wrath of Allah.
Unto Allah belong the East and the West, and whithersoever ye turn, there is Allah's Countenance. Lo! Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.
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How close do we feel Allah is with us?
Allah says HE is with those who Fear Him; those who are Patient; and those who do good deeds. The question now is when Allah is with us why should anybody go to mosque or where, of a sudden, do we turn to in our prayer? And while we go to pray do we take Allah also along to pray?
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"Follow what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. You reminisce nothing."
When you take up Quran there should be none between you and Allah; this is the time for revelation from either directly by Allah; or through the Angel Gibreel who are kept veiled to your eyes; or through a messenger from among your brethren who would keep coming till the end of the world to every linguistic people and to every capital city and town whom you should identify as doubtlessly as your household. Unless you have clear revelation to any single ayat of Quran directly from Allah; or through a veiled messenger, who are invisible to your naked eye, it is that you would be tragically looking down upon and dismiss the human messenger sent to you from amongst you.
So follow that which is revealed to your heart from your Ruh when you read an ayat for guidance; since this revelation is from your own self, it is easy for you to follow in your day to day life. If you buy the utterances of the people as guidance it is impossible to follow in your life-time any single part of any one ayat of Quran.
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We are forbidden to have any business with the idolaters 9:1
Allah and His messenger have deserted us for having deals, promises and business with those who associate partners to and worship besides The Only God.
Can we believe we have any business with God anymore when we stick to our business deals with such people when Allah and His messenger have broken away from them and the likes of them? Do we have any prayers with Allah after this concerning our businesses? Is it not true then that our prayers will not be answered at any cost? We have no Allah and no messenger whatever be our cry that we are muslims.
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May any one be chosen to the rank of the messengers?
Allah says as believers, none shall be of the view that they are not in a position to receive the Message and the Guidance of Allah, directly as Revelation, if He is pleased with our sincerity in seeking Him.
That the People of the Scripture may know that they have no guidance to the grace of Allah, but that the grace is in Allah's hand to give to whom He will. And Allah is of Infinite Grace - Sura Al Hadid, Revelation 29.
What are your suggestions to this?
I'd just like to say "vah vah!"
Many things ring so true and natural to me, while certain things appear to me a bit unrealistic and extreme.
I enjoyed the posts alot! Will try to give some feedback to them more in detail after some time...
Peace!
drfazl are you saying
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If 'Allah alone suffices us' is our Oath, we shall not visit doctors at all in our lives for if we do so it amounts to association to many of Allah's Names:
Allah alone does not suffice us?
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Peace 357.
I agree with drfazl.
God is sufficient for the believers.
Peace.
Quote from: Zulf on January 10, 2013, 10:58:16 AM
I'd just like to say "vah vah!"
Many things ring so true and natural to me, while certain things appear to me a bit unrealistic and extreme.
I enjoyed the posts alot! Will try to give some feedback to them more in detail after some time...
Peace!
You are welcome zulf, salam
Quote from: 357 on January 10, 2013, 11:27:39 AM
drfazl are you saying
Allah alone does not suffice us?
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Allah alone should be sufficient for us if we are believers in His words delivered to us. For example, the doctors have diagnosed upon somebody as having cancer in terminal stage and have said that he might survive for 3 months or so. This, he keeps to his heart;
at about the same time there is Allah''s words delivered to his heart already that he should be free from his disease and get well. Of these two - the former can be done by everybody in the world; but the latter, Allah alone can do. Which of these two we want? And which of these two we throw to dustbin? And of these two who do we believe if we are to get well? If we associate the disabled and irrelevant self-styled 'specialist doctors' to the Most Able, then Allah says. "I have not wronged you; but you wronged you."
salam 357
Quote from: drfazl on January 10, 2013, 10:58:51 PM
Allah alone should be sufficient for us if we are believers in His words delivered to us. For example, the doctors have diagnosed upon somebody as having cancer in terminal stage and have said that he might survive for 3 months or so. This, he keeps to his heart; at about the same time there is Allah''s words delivered to his heart already that he should be free from his disease and get well. Of these two - the former can be done by everybody in the world; but the latter, Allah alone can do. Which of these two we want? And which of these two we throw to dustbin? And of these two who do we believe if we are to get well? If we associate the disabled and irrelevant self-styled 'specialist doctors' to the Most Able, then Allah says. "I have not wronged you; but you wronged you."
salam 357
Sorry don't mean to offend, but if Allah alone is sufficient for us (which i do believe he is by the way), why then go to the doctor at all?
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Quote from: 357 on January 11, 2013, 03:44:27 AM
Sorry don't mean to offend, but if Allah alone is sufficient for us (which i do believe he is by the way), why then go to the doctor at all?
;)
No, no, not at all; feel free to quote me; we are here to exchange our individualistic views so that we take the best of it; and surely not to dispute with the differences.
"They listen to the views exchanged and choose the beautiful of it; they are the people of good understanding; and Allah Guides such of these in righteousness."
I couldn't understand that , let me put it again:
if Allah alone is sufficient for us, why then go to the doctor at all?
Peace,
Because God started up this world like a video game and keeps it running like a simulation. It has its game rules and features, like diseases, pain, trials, traps, like a life simulation. God will let us control our character ourselves, which obey by the set game rules, meaning we have to go to the doctor because the game rules require it or it would be like suicide.
When we say God suffice us is if we, for example, are subject to injustice from all over and we say thus that God suffice us.
Saying God is sufficient is that we accept His system (and the above game rules stated as an allegory).
Hope you understand, if you want to understand at all.
May God bless you with guidance
Quote from: Man of Faith on January 11, 2013, 02:24:57 PM
Peace,
Because God started up this world like a video game and keeps it running like a simulation. It has its game rules and features, like diseases, pain, trials, traps, like a life simulation. God will let us control our character ourselves, which obey by the set game rules, meaning we have to go to the doctor because the game rules require it or it would be like suicide.
When we say God suffice us is if we, for example, are subject to injustice from all over and we say thus that God suffice us.
Saying God is sufficient is that we accept His system (and the above game rules stated as an allegory).
Hope you understand, if you want to understand at all.
May God bless you with guidance
of course i want to understand.
Do you mean;
God is sufficient for us=Gods system is sufficient for us (which does include the doctor), Yes?
:-\
Peace,
The doctor has a remedy for a feature of God's system.
Quote from: Man of Faith on January 11, 2013, 04:53:00 PM
Peace,
The doctor has a remedy for a feature of God's system.
true - something called Sibgha of Allah.......
Quote from: 357 on January 11, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
of course i want to understand.
Do you mean;
God is sufficient for us=Gods system is sufficient for us (which does include the doctor), Yes?
God has provided us with what we need and things to aspire to, gave us a brain
to solve problems, gave us differences to cover our needs from street cleaners
to presidents, from privates to generals, a job for everyone, This eco system
is interconnected. The rain the sun the soil the elelments the plants which
give off carbon monoxide all work in a repeative cycle, same for the ocean,
same for us, herbs, water, minerals etc., keep us healthy.
[10:57] O people, enlightenment has come to you herein from your Lord, and healing for anything that troubles your hearts, and guidance, and mercy for the believers.
[16:69] Then eat from all the fruits, following the design of your Lord, precisely. From their bellies comes a drink of different colors, wherein there is healing for the people. This should be (sufficient) proof for people who reflect.
[26:80] "And when I get sick, He heals me.
God is in contol
Peace
Quote from: 357 on January 11, 2013, 07:06:00 AM
I couldn't understand that , let me put it again:
if Allah alone is sufficient for us, why then go to the doctor at all?
To get killed; or to commit suicide on the part of the patients; or inducing the doctors to commit homicide! Finally our death will be at the hands of the doctors on their specialised death bed, in the ICU, under the care of bands of super specialists. If we believe Allah had directed us to the doctors, then, when we die there in the end - it is that Allah had lied and misguided us deliberately. And it is also that whenever we are ill with disease, we should not turn to Allah in prayer at all for Allah had already directed us to the systems of doctors to suffer the worst before death and hit the bucket financially too.
Here is Allah's system:
And certainly We sent messengers to peoples before you; We seized them with illness and affliction in order that they might humble themselves before me.
It is up to us to rehearse the ayats in our day to day life or to while them away reciting ritually.
Here is Allah's system:
And if Allah should touch you with illness, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He touches you with wellness - then He is over all things Potent.
Now the question is the choice between the doctors and the God: who is potent? and who are impotents? Whose system will you submit and surrender to?
Peace 357.
Again I agree with drfazl.
6:102″ Such is GOD your Lord, ( HE wants total submission from all HIS creatures, to HIM ALONE!) there is no god except HE ( HE has no partners, no wife/girlfriend, no son, no daughter etc?HE is Unique, everything else is HIS creation!) the Creator of all things. You shall serve/worship ( And follow/trust in) HIM ALONE. ( Do not rely on anyone else) HE is in control of all things.? ( Yesterday, today , tomorrow and forever!)
Peace.
There was a man that suffered shipwreck, so he prayed to God to save him. A fishing boat came and wanted to pick him up, but the man refused saying that God will save him. A cargo vessel came to aid him, but he refused with the explanation that God would save him. The man drowned, and upon entering the afterlife he asked God why He didn't save him. God said: "I sent you two boats to save you, but you refused my help... that's why you drowned."
The moral of the story, Allah works through natural laws and the creation... not through imagined magic and miracles. In my humble opinion, we know Allah when we can see Allahs signs and Life in this very world. If we make up a separate spiritual or religious world or dimension in order to cater for Allah, then we we have failed to see how Allah is
The Living in THIS same world as we are functioning in. Allah and the unseen is not separate from us... it is just that we have to open up to be able to sense and appreciate it. Allah can open us up to see this, if we ask for it. It's all connected and one!
Quote from: drfazl on January 11, 2013, 11:59:11 PM
To get killed; or to commit suicide on the part of the patients; or inducing the doctors to commit homicide! Finally our death will be at the hands of the doctors on their specialised death bed, in the ICU, under the care of bands of super specialists. If we believe Allah had directed us to the doctors, then, when we die there in the end - it is that Allah had lied and misguided us deliberately. And it is also that whenever we are ill with disease, we should not turn to Allah in prayer at all for Allah had already directed us to the systems of doctors to suffer the worst before death and hit the bucket financially too.
Why should we think that taking part in this world is equal to not believing in Allah? Allah made this world for us to functioning in and to connect to "him" while living here. This place is the whole point! It is in THIS context we should remember Allah.
By the same logic, i.e. not going to the doctor in order to rely on Allah, then we must by necessity also deny the services of farmers, technicians and EVERYONE that can do some service for us. This means we'd have to grow our own food, produce our own fertilizer, dig our own wells, forge our own tools and learn everything all by ourselves.
How is this different from taking the help of doctors? Should I consider myself a disbeliever just because I went to the surgeon to take my appendix out... because I wasn't in the mood of dying a painful death and leaving a family behind in great trouble and sorrow? I don't think this has anything to do with whether the medical practitioners can sometimes destroy us due to their ignorance... so can other professionals too. The point is that we must rely on Allah and seek Allah's help AND accept the help that comes through situations. We live in a world. If we deny this then we don't understand Allah and our context.
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Here is Allah's system:
And certainly We sent messengers to peoples before you; We seized them with illness and affliction in order that they might humble themselves before me.
It is up to us to rehearse the ayats in our day to day life or to while them away reciting ritually.
Here is Allah's system:
And if Allah should touch you with illness, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He touches you with wellness - then He is over all things Potent.
Now the question is the choice between the doctors and the God: who is potent? and who are impotents? Whose system will you submit and surrender to?
Allah let's things happen as per our choices. If we seek Allah's help and blessings, we will get help and blessings. The problem is when we don't acknowledge/understand/see this reality for what it is. Allah is The Living. Allah is not a separate entitiy, separate from us and what happens. Allah is always present in all that happens. Allah cannot be separated away in ANY way. Thinking is Allah and of separation in the same thought means we haven't understood who reality is made up. Allah is potent, we and doctors are nothing without Allah. But doctors can help people by Allah's leave and permission... as a blessing to people. Allah has NOT ordained for us seclusion (isn't there an ayat about this in AQ somewhere?). (Note. I'm not saying we ARE Allah, I'm just saying that we must not think of Allah in terms of separation! If we do, we will be like all the religions)
I case I have misunderstood your points dr fazl, then please correct me. I was just sharing my ideas here. Peace!
Quote from: good logic on January 12, 2013, 02:00:58 AM
Peace 357.
Again I agree with drfazl.
6:102″ Such is GOD your Lord, ( HE wants total submission from all HIS creatures, to HIM ALONE!) there is no god except HE ( HE has no partners, no wife/girlfriend, no son, no daughter etc?HE is Unique, everything else is HIS creation!) the Creator of all things. You shall serve/worship ( And follow/trust in) HIM ALONE. ( Do not rely on anyone else) HE is in control of all things.? ( Yesterday, today , tomorrow and forever!)
1. What we need to ask ourselves, or rather what we need to ask Allah to make us understand, is what surrender and submission actually means. This is crucial.
2. What does 'rely on' mean? We need to be sure about this. Do we trust in Allah by ignoring and avoiding his creation? Or do we rely on Allah and consciously accept 'his' blessings through the creations of this world?
3. Ok, no offense here, I'm just spitting out a thought I had: Let's not take this ayat to the extreme in that we totally disregard and disconnect from the actors of the world just because we don't rely on anything except Allah. It is like the sunnis who take the 'obey the messenger' as meaning to copy his actions in the toilet, his food preferences and all other irrelevant things. We misunderstand.
What we need to do is to realize that we can achieve NOTHING without Allah's leave. We cannot attribute our success in school to ourselves, we cannot attribute our relationship success to ourselves etc etc, because Allah gave us our brains and capacities for studying, out ability to learn reading. Allah gave us social competence so that we could get along in a relationship. EVERYTHING is thanks to Allah. But if I break a bone, then I will not be thankless to Allah by refusing the doctor who can set the bones in alignment so that the body then nicely can heal it as per Allah's system of life. Allah can act through doctors. What the doctors do to us, depends totally on what we as patients have to learn in life. What happens to us is between us and Allah. Our life and circumstances is OURS. We all have our own worlds and our job is to work our way back to Allah by increasing our understanding and vision of truth and reality.
So, actually I too agree with what dr fazl says, as a concept and idea, but I think we need to ponder how this idea should be expressed in practical life.
Peace dear friends!
Quote from: Zulf on January 12, 2013, 07:35:24 AM
What we need to do is to realize that we can achieve NOTHING without Allah's leave. We cannot attribute our success in school to ourselves, we cannot attribute our relationship success to ourselves etc etc, because Allah gave us our brains and capacities for studying, out ability to learn reading. Allah gave us social competence so that we could get along in a relationship. EVERYTHING is thanks to Allah. But if I break a bone, then I will not be thankless to Allah by refusing the doctor who can set the bones in alignment so that the body then nicely can heal it as per Allah's system of life. Allah can act through doctors. What the doctors do to us, depends totally on what we as patients have to learn in life. What happens to us is between us and Allah. Our life and circumstances is OURS. We all have our own worlds and our job is to work our way back to Allah by increasing our understanding and vision of truth and reality.
So, actually I too agree with what dr fazl says, as a concept and idea, but I think we need to ponder how this idea should be expressed in practical life.
Peace dear friends!
Peace dear friend
May I add one exception, 4:164;...........
And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech. ALLAAH does not talk/help us directly. It has been always through His agents.
4:165 [We sent]
messengers as bringers of good tidings and warners so that mankind will have no argument against Allah after the messengers. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.
Peace
Quote from: farida on January 12, 2013, 08:18:51 AM
May I add one exception, 4:164;........... And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech.
Salaam!
I wonder what '[direct] speech' means here. Did some vocal cords and oral cavity materialize in the surrounding nature to allow for audible speech to come forth, or did he hear spoken words in his head. I could imagine that he heard audible speech in his mind... but I would not think that the speech was audible in the air around him.
But that's just me.
All the best!
Quote from: Zulf on January 12, 2013, 07:35:24 AM
So, actually I too agree with what dr fazl says, as a concept and idea, but I think we need to ponder how this idea should be expressed in practical life.
Peace dear friends!
May Allah Guide Us All
Salam
Quote from: Zulf on January 12, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
Salaam!
I wonder what '[direct] speech' means here. Did some vocal cords and oral cavity materialize in the surrounding nature to allow for audible speech to come forth, or did he hear spoken words in his head. I could imagine that he heard audible speech in his mind... but I would not think that the speech was audible in the air around him.
But that's just me.
All the best!
salaam
Exactly, that is for us to find out from al-kitaab insha allaah.
All the best to you insha allaah
:peace:
Quote from: Zulf on January 12, 2013, 07:35:24 AM
There was a man that suffered shipwreck, so he prayed to God to save him. A fishing boat came and wanted to pick him up, but the man refused saying that God will save him. A cargo vessel came to aid him, but he refused with the explanation that God would save him. The man drowned, and upon entering the afterlife he asked God why He didn't save him. God said: "I sent you two boats to save you, but you refused my help... that's why you drowned."
The moral of the story, Allah works through natural laws and the creation... not through imagined magic and miracles.
Peace dear friends!
If Allah works through natural laws of creation, can you describe the laws of creation? And the nature's Laws? And then also explain based on such Laws, how when prophet Musa was pushed close to the sea, it cleaved into two mountainous parts with a dry land in between for Musa and the believers to cross across?
"Allah is Needless, Absolute."
"All He has to say to a thing is 'BE' and it is!" Only Allah knows what His creation is:
"And naught is what man is given of the wisdom."
The scientists narration of laws and creation of nature are just Big-bangs which they would themselves negate soon after they theorise their ideas and concepts.
Salam
Peace,
You were both right.
God intervenes according to His will, one time it can be like zulf's story and another time through a clear miracle. We must keep all our senses open, God's help can be through another human being, as well as minor manipulations of the physical world we live in. Most of the time God's help is subtle, but can be extensive as in the case when God opened the Sea for Moses. That was to be a prominent sign of God's might.
Nothing is impossible to God, He controls every atom of the world.
God bless you
Peace Zulf
We must also ponder the " Shipwreck" allegory?
Is that from man or from God?
God will never break His promise.
Also, according to laws of physics, can someone exlplain the Resurrection?:
[Quran 30:40]
God is the One who created you. He is the One who provides for you. He is the One who puts you to death. He is the One who resurrects you. Can any of your idols do any of these things? Be He glorified. He is much too exalted to have any partners.
May be someone else will come along, after I die , offering to resurrect me and I will not recognise the sign, hence I will not be resurrected also?
Peace
Quote from: Zulf on January 12, 2013, 07:35:24 AM
What we need to do is to realize that we can achieve NOTHING without Allah's leave. We cannot attribute our success in school to ourselves, we cannot attribute our relationship success to ourselves etc etc, because Allah gave us our brains and capacities for studying, out ability to learn reading. Allah gave us social competence so that we could get along in a relationship. EVERYTHING is thanks to Allah.
Peace dear friends!
Regarding studies and education: they have to keep improving, innovating and inventing until the world ends. The knowledge thus is forever justifiably substandard; but Allah is Most Wise, All-Knowing, Absolute, Astute, Creator, Sustainer, Bringer of Death from the living; and the living from the dead. And here is the word of Allah: All that you possess, your efforts including your knowledge will be in vain. And what is with Allah will be lasting. Allah gave us the knowledge only to know clearly that our knowledge is insufficient, ignorant and thus it is 'semi' at any point of time.
You go to the doctors; they diagnose you to be suffering from terminal cancer and their ignorant medical super speciality says you will die in 3 months. We know now they are not the ones who shall possess the wisdom of bringing the life from the dead. We shun these ignorants and turn to God, the Most Able, Wise.
Allah created nature; and He is The God of all nature. God taught man, he is superior to all created things. Thus while man himself is a super natural one by the leave of God, can you just get a glimpse of an imagination as to who God, Allah, The Almighty is! Should He work through nature which by The Truth is inferior even to man? Allah directly deals with man communicating to Him. And man shall act above nature i.e. super naturally by His leave which He promises to His bondsmen.
Quote from: good logic on January 13, 2013, 02:15:02 AM
Peace Zulf
[Quran 30:40]
God is the One who created you. He is the One who provides for you. He is the One who puts you to death. He is the One who resurrects you. Can any of your idols do any of these things? Be He glorified. He is much too exalted to have any partners.
Peace
Can any of your idols: The men, the matters and the material knowledge
What a watchword the above is! Those are the words that lifts and levitates us up from the idol worshiping that pulls us down with their gravitational theories.
Quote from: good logic on January 13, 2013, 02:15:02 AM
We must also ponder the " Shipwreck" allegory?
Those who wish may ponder it. The moral was to not be blind to Allah's blessings and help in everyday situations.
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Is that from man or from God?
You mean those specific words? They are my words, relating a story I heard, so it's not God's direct word if anyone wonders.
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God will never break His promise.
True
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Also, according to laws of physics, can someone exlplain the Resurrection?:
I don't know. I don't think so. At least I cannot.
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[Quran 30:40]
God is the One who created you. He is the One who provides for you. He is the One who puts you to death. He is the One who resurrects you. Can any of your idols do any of these things? Be He glorified. He is much too exalted to have any partners.
May be someone else will come along, after I die , offering to resurrect me and I will not recognise the sign, hence I will not be resurrected also?
?? What ?
Peace bro
Quote from: drfazl on January 13, 2013, 04:17:30 AM
Regarding studies and education: they have to keep improving, innovating and inventing until the world ends. The knowledge thus is forever justifiably substandard; but Allah is Most Wise, All-Knowing, Absolute, Astute, Creator, Sustainer, Bringer of Death from the living; and the living from the dead. And here is the word of Allah: All that you possess, your efforts including your knowledge will be in vain. And what is with Allah will be lasting. Allah gave us the knowledge only to know clearly that our knowledge is insufficient, ignorant and thus it is 'semi' at any point of time.
True, I believe so too
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You go to the doctors; they diagnose you to be suffering from terminal cancer and their ignorant medical super speciality says you will die in 3 months. We know now they are not the ones who shall possess the wisdom of bringing the life from the dead. We shun these ignorants and turn to God, the Most Able, Wise.
Yes, the medical professionals are often very ignorant, and they very often take no heed of God. They often work by guessing. Of course, they can achieve nothing that Allah has not approved. If they are able to change something in the body that results in the body healing itself, it is all the same Allah blessing and power doing this.
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Allah created nature; and He is The God of all nature. God taught man, he is superior to all created things. Thus while man himself is a super natural one by the leave of God, can you just get a glimpse of an imagination as to who God, Allah, The Almighty is! Should He work through nature which by The Truth is inferior even to man? Allah directly deals with man communicating to Him. And man shall act above nature i.e. super naturally by His leave which He promises to His bondsmen.
I think like this: All of creation is real, and so it is natural. I cannot see why any of Allah's creation would be unnatural, or more than natural. I guess it depends on what we define 'natural' and 'nature' as. Perhaps 'that which natural scientists agree exists'.
In any case, nature, creation, is all we have... that's what we can comprehend to some extent. We cannot comprehend anything beyond Creation. That's why we cannot comprehend Allah.
How can we say that man in superior to nature? Man is part of nature, bound by the same laws like anything else. In addition we have free will and so on, but we are still bound by the laws of nature and creation. Had we been superior to nature, we would be have been able to change it's laws. We cannot. Perhaps we think we can rule nature and all other creatures, but man in over confident and arrogant, as described in the quran, and evident through history.
I agree that Allah can communicate with anyone as per "his" leave.
All is law, Allah's law. If there is something that seems to be supernatural or above nature, it is so just because we don't understand Allah's laws fully. Some people e.g. would reject things such as acupuncture, qigong, reiki and auras as pseudoscience and fantasies. Anything real, whether people in general are able to sense or comprehend how it works or not, is still real. It follows law. If things won't follow law, they'd be irrational. Personally I don't think of Allah or "his" creation as irrational. It is only that some things we understand, and some things we don't.
Again I think it is a matter of definitions.
In any case... all praise to Allah
Quote from: drfazl on January 13, 2013, 11:36:11 PM
Can any of your idols: The men, the matters and the material knowledge
What a watchword the above is! Those are the words that lifts and levitates us up from the idol worshiping that pulls us down with their gravitational theories.
This is interesting. What make 'men, matters and knowledge' into idols?
I'd like to get to know your ideas better, to prevent any misunderstanding on my part.
Peace brother
Quote from: drfazl on December 10, 2012, 07:21:40 AM
All good things happen from Allah alone but all bad things befall us only from what our own hands have wrought. Our planning for the future, our activities and work are based essentially upon the limited knowledge we have experienced through our physical sensations and upon our abilities based on it and put in our efforts with brute tolerance. With all these rudimentary efforts we set our eyes upon ultimately the money, our only goal.
There is another ability within every individual, 'the power of the soul' in the heart of hearts by which we wish for or mindfully and prayerfully reflect upon every subjective feeling placed in it as the 'need of the hour'. For example, the need of the hour is that we shall not suffer from any evil whatsoever from diseases to poverty; nor suffer from servitude; nor ourselves becoming aggressive and atrocious against the common man. There are these subjective warnings in our hearts that: we shall not lie; backbite; dishonor the word given to; nor suspect; nor be proud; never rejoice over what you have gained materially; nor shall you grieve over what have lost from you; never fear nor worry for by all odds your savior is God.
He created for us the heavens and the earth and made them subservient to us so that we perch upon the Arsh, by His Leave. Until such time you gain it, He rules the roost; He blesses us just not the skies and the earth but His word is that He would make us inherit even the heavens of the world after! To be a believer of this order - we cannot believe in the knowledge of the physical sensations, experiences, explorations of the objective celestial bodies; and shun from our hearts the men, matters and materials as our needs.
God has created us as individuals looking up to Him with gratitude, in every breath of us. It is mandatory on us for us to believe and live as an individual and return unto Him on the hour determined for us, all alone, in the way He created us. If Allah alone is our creator, He alone is the nourisher, the sustainer, the savior, the enricher and the designer of our future - then only Allah and none else besides Him. This is the life of 'no - association - to - God'. These are the believers, the victorious in this world and in the world after.
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Beautiful!
Some remarks: We may rejoice of material gains, as long as we do so by praising and thanking Allah and knowing fully that the same material gains are worthless in the real sense. But money can be a blessing from Allah in e.g. that it may buy us more free time in which we may develop ourselves and our connection with Allah further.
Evil, what is evil? Evil, I believe is something that takes us away from Allah. Therefore, disease and poverty may act as blessings, if we can turn those things into something, like wake up calls, that brings us closer to Allah.
Salaam!
Quote from: drfazl on December 12, 2012, 08:40:47 AM
Shun the Jama'at if we fear 'The Day of Judgement'
Allah created us singly and we have to lead our lives by the Guidance within and each shall live as a discrete individual and then we are to return unto him singly in the way we were created and delivered into this universal noumenon. We will be questioned and judged individually and not as groups or jama'ats, the individuals of which are dependent on each other. The individuals belong to any group with their collective living feel independent of God himself. This is crime enough to be thrown into hell en masse. We cease to be an element of any group or member of a band of collective people, say, Jama'ats.
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Beautiful and very thought-worthy. People often hide behind groups, forgetting reality. Indeed, we are totally alone in this world, responsible for only ourselves... but many of us forget that we are actually responsible for ourselves. People love to blame things on anything except themselves.
Peace!
Quote from: Zulf on January 14, 2013, 08:47:25 AM
I think like this: All of creation is real, and so it is natural. I cannot see why any of Allah's creation would be unnatural, or more than natural. I guess it depends on what we define 'natural' and 'nature' as. Perhaps 'that which natural scientists agree exists'.
All nature is the same by creation in that when God intends a thing to be all that He says to it is 'Be' and it is! What is natural now is:
God creates what He intends
As Creator He never stops creating
And He never copies His own creation
And thus no creation is the same as the other though they might seem alike
What we know is our knowledge, limited;
What we do not know is what is beyond our comprehension
'Nature' is what we know of-
'Natural' is the unending process of creation we know not.
QuoteIn any case, nature, creation, is all we have... that's what we can comprehend to some extent. We cannot comprehend anything beyond Creation. That's why we cannot comprehend Allah.
We know there is 'mind' in us though we cannot comprehend as to where it is; likewise we know for sure there is God with us, though we are not able to comprehend where He is; yet God is All-Knowing and makes us know for sure there is God and admoinshes us: 'Be mindful of God!' Knowing and accepting what is beyond our comprehension is the 'natural' starting point of the Wisdom of Allah, dawning upon us.
QuoteHow can we say that man in superior to nature? Man is part of nature, bound by the same laws like anything else. In addition we have free will and so on, but we are still bound by the laws of nature and creation. Had we been superior to nature, we would have been able to change it's laws. We cannot. Perhaps we think we can rule nature and all other creatures, but man in over confident and arrogant, as described in the quran, and evident through history.
It is true that the creation will ever be going on, nonstop because if the creator stops creating, the creation is dead and the Creator is no more. But it is not true. He brings the life from the land that is dead is a perfect example to His endless, ongoing creation. Yet the law of nature which we have postulated so arrogantly is fixed as: death from the living and no life or resurrection after the death. But there is resurrection after the death and it will not be the same as before for, naturally there are no fixed laws as the mortal men on the earth comprehend - with reference to creation-death-all new creations of varyingly new orders. Allah says: you know not; Allah Knows.
QuoteAll is law, Allah's law. If there is something that seems to be supernatural or above nature, it is so just because we don't understand Allah's laws fully. Anything real, whether people in general are able to sense or comprehend how it works or not, is still real. It follows law. If things won't follow law, they'd be irrational. Personally I don't think of Allah or "his" creation as irrational. It is only that some things we understand, and some things we don't.
Again I think it is a matter of definitions.
We stop from fixing and defining; moving and extending within the material ambience of our physics' intellectual capacity.
QuoteIn any case... all praise to Allah
Quote from: Zulf on January 14, 2013, 08:50:17 AM
This is interesting. What make 'men, matters and knowledge' into idols?
I'd like to get to know your ideas better, to prevent any misunderstanding on my part.
Peace brother
Idol means falsehood, deaf, dumb and blind: men matters and their knowledge would die, would decay, and would be obsolete and irrelevant as days passby. All men's utterances would be outdated and far removed from the Truth time and again, each time ringing death knell to their knowledge teaching their conscience louder, stronger and clear as the creation keeps going beyond man's all the wildest hypotheses all-along. The Truth of Natural process is ever living, ever changing, ever bifurcating, ever anew, never ending. Man would die, and man would die and would continue to die and the new generations would spring up and they would not be like the ones created before them. That is the difference between man, matter and their materials on the one side and THE TRUTH on the other.
Ta Ha: The Initials of Allah
Allah has stamped His initials before the chapter starts.
Ta: Tahir - The Most Pure
Ha: Hudha - The Guide.
Allah Gives His Guidance to him who strives to be Pure.
Here is The Guidance from the Most Pure.
20:1 Ta Ha: The Initials of Allah
Allah has stamped His initials before the chapter starts.
Ta: Tahir - The Most Pure
Ha: Hudha - The Guide.
Allah Gives His Guidance to him who strives to be Pure.
Here is The Guidance from the Most Pure.
20:2 We have not sent down this Quran unto you to cause difficulty.
People generally feel Quran is difficult to understand and even more so to put whatever they had understood into practice. Allah says He would Guide those who strive to be pure in their heart without recourse to evil ways; and make them course through any demanding situation in the easiest possible manner to the hardest way according to the efforts each one has put to stay pure for Allah without associating partners to Him. If you ask for explanation to an ayat only from Him, the answer comes from your own natural self. Now it is easy for you to practice the ayats in your day to day life. But when an explanation to any particular ayat is got from someone else, know for sure it is not from your own self but from another man's nature which is suitable only for his nature to put it into practice and surely it is the hardest guidance for you for reason it is not your self.
Quran's ayats are suitable for all times, for all men, for all situations, to each person, for all good purposes, and for all persons during each one's varying moods. Thus every ayat is highly individualised to every person throughout his life in his varying moods and situations. Only Allah knows how to deal with such of one's each situation, throughout his life. And hence, seek the guidance from Allah direct, when you recite on ayat, since Allah sends down the revelation to one and all from each one's own natural self which alone shall be easy for a person to practice, individually, all his life. Thus if there are 7 billion people in the world, any single ayat will give 7 billion different variants of a revelation by the moment, and yet, each variant shall not contradict the principal revelation of an ayat. In this way even if the whole sea could be ink and seven more seas are added to it still they would dry up before Allah's words to any single ayat could be completed.
Quote from: drfazl on January 17, 2013, 12:52:22 AM
People generally feel Quran is difficult to understand and even more so to put whatever they had understood into practice. Allah says He would Guide those who strive to be pure in their heart without recourse to evil ways; and make them course through any demanding situation in the easiest possible manner to the hardest way according to the efforts each one has put to stay pure for Allah without associating partners to Him. If you ask for explanation to an ayat only from Him, the answer comes from your own natural self. Now it is easy for you to practice the ayats in your day to day life. But when an explanation to any particular ayat is got from someone else, know for sure it is not from your own self but from another man's nature which is suitable only for his nature to put it into practice and surely it is the hardest guidance for you for reason it is not your self.
Quran's ayats are suitable for all times, for all men, for all situations, to each person, for all good purposes, and for all persons during each one's varying moods. Thus every ayat is highly individualised to every person throughout his life in his varying moods and situations. Only Allah knows how to deal with such of one's each situation, throughout his life. And hence, seek the guidance from Allah direct, when you recite on ayat, since Allah sends down the revelation to one and all from each one's own natural self which alone shall be easy for a person to practice, individually, all his life. Thus if there are 7 billion people in the world, any single ayat will give 7 billion different variants of a revelation by the moment, and yet, each variant shall not contradict the principal revelation of an ayat. In this way even if the whole sea could be ink and seven more seas are added to it still they would dry up before Allah's words to any single ayat could be completed.
Mashallah! I seldom read such wise words! Beautiful!
:bravo:
Dear Fazl
That is an amazing insight.Thank you.Can you think of any quranic ayat to consolidate your view?
Javed
Javed,
When one says he believes in Allah, this means, in his whole life he would follow Allah and only Allah; and His messenger from among the malayika; and His messengers from among the men; and following the Book by His command that testifies he is guided; and paves his way decisively through eternity. This is Islam i.e. The Way To Salam to become a Muslim, starting from the scratch i.e. from the state of a mumin.
Unless we are sure Allah Guides us personally there is no way our hearts would be at peace regarding the certainty of our path. Though we believe: Allah sees all that we do; and we believe He hears everything we speak; and we believe He knows what we openly say and do; and that which we hide in our hearts; and we know He is with us so closely wherever we are - yet we shall not believe or falter by failing to believe that He would guide us, speak to us, caution us, comfort us, care for us, warn us, deliver us, distinguish and differentiate everything around us, teach us the criterion, teach us the two paths, give us light and elevate us in our wisdom. He is with us all along. But our problem is that we are not mindful of what we say and what we do. Still Allah forgives us and mercifully keeps guiding us.
Now we have to read this:
7:3 Follow what has been revealed to you from your God and do not follow guides besides Him; little do you mind.
6:71 Say you, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the only guidance; and we have been commanded to submit to the God of the worlds."
1:5 "Guide us in the Straight Path."
5:48 For each We have prescribed a divine guidance and unique life.
2:148 And each has a guidance to which direction he should turn
2:38 And from me shall the guidance come to you, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.
5:68 Say, "O People of Quran, you are standing on nothing until you uphold the Taurat, the Injeel, and that which has been revealed to you from your God."And when you follow only that which has been revealed to you from your God will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
Javed, if you see any discrepancy between the ayat feel free to ask; but if you seek guidance from your God, totally freeing yourself from the web of all knowledges we had gathered thus far, you shall see Allah's RUH showering the Light upon you, showing clear path to the victorious future.
salam
Thank you DrFazl, brilliant wisdom you have been graced with by God. Especially thank you for clarifying that mumin may actually come first although there is a verse that alludes to professing islam then becoming a mumin I believe?
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding.
Salamun Alaik Dr Fazal
Thank you for the post and the ayats.
Godbless
Javed
Quote from: IAMOP on January 18, 2013, 10:11:31 AM
Thank you DrFazl, brilliant wisdom you have been graced with by God. Especially thank you for clarifying that mumin may actually come first although there is a verse that alludes to professing islam then becoming a mumin I believe?
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding.
IAMOP
Do you mean this ayat?
قَالَتِ الْأَعْرَابُ آمَنَّا قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا وَلَٰكِن قُولُوا أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ الْإِيمَانُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَالِكُمْ شَيْئًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
The wandering Arabs say: We believe. Say: Ye believe not, but rather say "We submit," for the faith hath not yet entered into your hearts. Yet, if ye obey Allah and His messenger, He will not withhold from you aught of your deeds. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Wandering: those who wander about the earth seeking means of or begging for mere survival on this earth. They do not have insight or guidance from within for they never believed in the Unseen Mighty Power of the RUH in their hearts; however they got so used to their man instituted lowly living that they have taken such life for granted as living by divine destiny.
Wandering Arabs: such people are there in every part of the world; here, an example from a worst section of the Arab population of its kind is chosen and justifiably cited as an example to the rest of the world, which section would be as such to the end of the world for Quran is the Truth forever. It is from this section of Arab population the 'submitters' of their kind are spread throughout the world under the guise of imams, mullahs and moulavis. The place of final refuge for the wandering Arabs throughout the world is the Ka'aba in Mecca before these submitters would reach the heaven.
'You believe not; rather say, ' We submitted ' and are well satisfied with our own rituals, ceremonial rites, and material offerings to Our gods and had fallen before our dearly idols'.
May Allah Guide Us All
Salam
Save your life for the world-After!
Are you rushing to 7star hospitals during a so called 'emergency' situation? Do you think the doctors would save your life? And do you think these 'doctors' created your life so that you believe they know what a life-force is and save you from death? Is it not open shirk? Seeing your critical condition, do the doctors not take your signature on their pre-written document wherein it states that the doctors are not responsible for your life when you finally die at their skilled hands, and with their modern medicines and under their specialised knives?
When you die so do you not die as rejecters? Or is it that because of your oft-repeated rejection of Faith in Allah alone, the only Savior, had Allah sealed your hearts from turning to Him and had hence driven you from your homes to the death-beds of hospitals?
4:78
Wheresoever you may be, death will overtake you, even though you were in lofty hospitals.
3:154
Say: Even though you had been in your houses, those appointed to be slain would have gone forth to the places where they were to lie in order that Allah might try what is in your breasts and prove what is in your hearts. Allah is Aware of the shirk hidden in the hearts.
It is time to reminisce in the Name of Allah and say, 'You are my Only Helper, Only Protector' and rehearse the ayats prayerfully, during all testing times for the rest of your lives and show your sincere attempts to Allah that you will not go to saviours save He; and you will not give in to that grave satanic cry: Rush to the doctors to save your lives!
Remember we are to save our lives for the world-after! Since we lived by the ayats of Allah, thus as we lived by the promise we made to Allah until our souls departed by His leave, we are not to be called the dead; but The Living, until the gates of heavens are opened up for us on the day when the heavens and the earth are changed to New Order where we enter to live forever in the Gardens!
3:169
Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
36:26
It was said unto him: Enter paradise. He said: "Would that my people knew"
36:27
"For that my Lord has granted me Forgiveness and has enrolled me among those held in honour!"
Sir,
I'm not sure I understand to what extent you reject the medical profession. Also I have no idea what country you live in and what sort of health related experiences you've had, but I don't understand how seeking help from a hospital equals open shirk. Perhaps it's just me and my limited understanding of Allah's laws. Would you kindly answer the following questions for the benefit of my understanding of your position:
1. Am I a mushrik for having had my appendix taken out?
2. Is it shirk to take a vaccinations? (e.g. for dangerous child diseases)
3. Is it shirk to have a hospital treat a disease or accident trauma that would otherwise kill you if untreated?
4. Is it shirk to take antidots when poisoned?
5. Is it impossible for a god-fearing muslim to be a doctor or surgeon, or vice versa?
6. If a doctor patches up a ruptured aorta of a patient, with the result that the patient can go back to a normal life, is the patient then doing shirk, just because he/she otherwise would have died (with an untreated ruptured aorta)?
Of course, no-one can control life and death. If some doctors reject God, and think they can control life and death... does this mean that all of the medical profession is same a shirk? I mean, if a doctor stops a fatal aorta bleed, or jump starts a heart, then this of course happened because Allah allowed it to happen. Is it shirk to take part in life where Allah lets your life continue??
Peace!
Quote from: Zulf on January 20, 2013, 07:55:09 AM
Sir,
I'm not sure I understand to what extent you reject the medical profession. Also I have no idea what country you live in and what sort of health related experiences you've had, but I don't understand how seeking help from a hospital equals open shirk. Perhaps it's just me and my limited understanding of Allah's laws. Would you kindly answer the following questions for the benefit of my understanding of your position:
1. Am I a mushrik for having had my appendix taken out?
2. Is it shirk to take a vaccinations? (e.g. for dangerous child diseases)
3. Is it shirk to have a hospital treat a disease or accident trauma that would otherwise kill you if untreated?
4. Is it shirk to take antidots when poisoned?
5. Is it impossible for a god-fearing muslim to be a doctor or surgeon, or vice versa?
6. If a doctor patches up a ruptured aorta of a patient, with the result that the patient can go back to a normal life, is the patient then doing shirk, just because he/she otherwise would have died (with an untreated ruptured aorta)?
Of course, no-one can control life and death. If some doctors reject God, and think they can control life and death... does this mean that all of the medical profession is same a shirk? I mean, if a doctor stops a fatal aorta bleed, or jump starts a heart, then this of course happened because Allah allowed it to happen. Is it shirk to take part in life where Allah lets your life continue??
Peace!
zulf, salam
'Of course, no one can control life and death.'
With that single sentence of your post you have answered from your natural faith all your 'questions'. Before you read further, you can read again the same post I have sent you earlier to this one. Now I am only bringing to surface the faithful answers from the deep of your own heart as you read the following ayats of Quran.
1. Am I a mushrik for having had my appendix taken out?
What did Allah created the appendix for? For no use? If yes, then Allah does many many things without resoluteness or 'at cross-purposes'. Firmly this is the medical knowledge when the doctors, surgeons are at their wits end. Because the patients believed them to be the 'masters of human creation', they believed all-nonsense that come out of their despondent theories. Standing as masters before you, they terrorise you to swallow up whatever they utter; and we submit and surrender to their ignorance. Here we should have remembered Allah: "Allah has power over all things, He is All-Knowing, The Wise, The Curer and we should have kept our wits about. We had lost Remembrance of The Almighty and there we start making mistakes that invariably lead us to misunderstandings about Allah.
43:36
And whoever is blinded from remembrance of the Most Merciful - We appoint for him a shaitan, and he is to him a commander.
Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Hence if we seek forgiveness now or at any point of time in our life repenting before we die, we shall find Allah as such. We would be no more doers of evil, by His Grace and we cease to be mushriks from the very moment.
2. Is it shirk to take vaccinations? (e.g. for dangerous child diseases)
And if Allah should touch you with adversity, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He touches you with good - then He is over all things competent.
Do we remember our Promise to Allah when we said: Allah is He alone. There is no Competent one besides He. If we stand by our pure words of promise to Allah to keep alive the covenant, then there is nothing bad should befall us. The Pure Words are:
3:64
Say, "O People of the Book, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not call except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as masters instead of Allah." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are well-pleased to stand by our word of promise to The Almighty - as Muslims."
This, we have to say to those 'muslims' who happen to be your near and dear one's, your friends and relatives around you, who would force you to go to their Malik, the Masters, MD doctors/MS surgeons, and terrorise you saying: you will die otherwise. In their hearts is the treachery and the disease.The disease is in the heart of us is that we suspect the Competence of Allah after accepting Him; this is because we have lost in the remembrance of Allah taking recourse to deviant ways of shaitans. Allah will increase in our deviant ways and shaitan would make all the ways beautiful to us, other than the Only Way.
2: 8, 9, 10
And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Lasting Day," but they are not believers. They think to deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive it not. In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they habitually used to lie.
3. Is it shirk to have a hospital treat a disease or accident trauma that would otherwise kill you if untreated?
It is good to remember the ayats from my earlier post again:
4:78
Wheresoever you may be, death will overtake you, even though you were in lofty hospitals.
3:154
Say: Even though you had been in your houses, those appointed to be slain would have gone forth to the places where they were to lie in order that Allah might try what is in your breasts and prove what is in your hearts. Allah is Aware of the shirk hidden in the hearts.
5. Is it impossible for a god-fearing muslim to be a doctor or surgeon, or vice versa?
I threw away my MD in medicine and became free from the abominable influence of shaitans all around me - my relatives and friends - when I knew the medical subject is absolutely rotten and outright satanic, in the year 1982, disbanded by hospital within weeks, after a seemingly successful practitioner for six years. From then on, 30 good years have passed by; in my family there are no medicines and we have forgotten what a disease would be like, Masha Allah! I have been teaching how to pray God to get cured of the disease making them believe in the words of Allah alone since 13 years; there are tens of thousands of patients who now believe only in Allah for all their adversities let alone diseases and they are free from worry and fear. They are mostly Hindu brethren who were in idol worshiping, the people of Ibrahim; they all have the Quran I have translated into their mother tongue, totally making it pure from even the remote touch of venomous hadiths. They would not go to temples, no pujas, no rituals, no festivals and nothing of their habitual ceremonies.
6. If a doctor patches up a ruptured aorta of a patient, with the result that the patient can go back to a normal life, is the patient then doing shirk, just because he/she otherwise would have died (with an untreated ruptured aorta)?
There is a medical condition at birth: congenital septal defects in the heart; fallot's tetralogy involving the valves of the heart in addition, cardiomyopathy and so on. None can cure or patch them up and make the child or patient lead normal life thereafter; they have to suffer and die only under the knives and the poisonous drugs. Let us remember this ayat at this moment:
Say, " Allah causes you to live, then causes you to die; then He will assemble you for the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt, but most of the people do not know."
May Allah save us from the ignorance called 'knowledge of man'. And seek Him in forgiveness and call upon Allah and say: "O Allah, increase us in your Wisdom!"
salam, zulf.
Peace Zulf.
I agree with drfazl.
If only we can really believe in every letter, every word, every verse of God s scripture....
26:77 ? ( All these Man made promises/ways/religions...!) I am against them , for I am devoted to the Lord of the universe.?
26:78 ? The one who created me and guided me.?
26:79 ?The one who feeds me and waters me.?
26:80 ?And when I get sick , HE heals me.?
26:81 ? The one who puts me to death, then brings me back to life.?....
Peace.
Peace,
Very good points drfazl, it gave me something to think and reflect upon. I have thought about it before, but never enforced it fully in my life. But I believe like you say, that God suffice us.
Thank you for bringing it up.
God bless you
Salam, good logic, man of faith, zulf and all
MayPeace Be Upon Us, by Allah
Salaam drfazl, and the rest
Thanks for your detailed reply to my questions.
As far as I can sense, you have gained deep wisdom from The Creator. Although my mind perhaps would like further elaboration on some answers, or is not really satisfied, I also know that it is the mind in it's disconnectedness which lures us away from Allah, or at least this is my current understanding, and I shall not fall prey to my mind to demand further answers in absurdum. I will not ask more details about the cow. There are already plenty of such threads here on this forum... and they lead no-where. I will take your posts, and ask Allah for increased understanding. This I know works, because I see it demonstrated in my life continuously. I will ask Allah to open my eyes further, to truth and reality. It's a lifelong journey back home to Allah and reality, and I really love this journey... it gives meaning to life.
One of my favorite prayers to Allah is to show me the truth, let me be able to handle it and let me find joy in it and love it. It has done wonder for me so far.
Thank you again for your kind replies.
Peace and best wishes!
Salam zulf,
As and when I post on various topics under this thread just keep reading it. Naturally without any difficulty you would feel getting imbibed into the essence of Quran and all hesitancy shall be overcome in due course for I post each one with prayer.
Make Not Allah Hate Us
Allah hates those who speak things that they do not do while they claim to be believers in humility
1. Arguments develop only because there is no personal proof in practice to what we say. Those who engage in exchange of vanities - it is a loss to both the parties with shaitan as the mediator leading both the parties to the inevitable dispute, ending up parting ways in enmity. If we fear Allah's displeasure upon us, we would prayerfully take utmost care to utter any word we say shall have to be pleasantly communicative to the hearts of those who possess the listening ability with comprehensiveness. Such would only add to the nice and subtle opinions already put forth if they have one of their own. With such a gathering, small or big, Allah is with them
2 complementing their niceties increasing their peace and wisdom; and make them disperse in search of Allah's bounties with salam
3; and glorifying God for having gathered for us such wonderful people as participants and audience.
1. O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do? It is most hateful in the sight of Allah that you should say that which you do not - 62.2,3
2. There is no secret conference of three but He is their fourth, nor of five but He is their sixth, nor of less than that or more but He is with them wheresoever they may be - 58.7
3. And when the prayer is thus ended, then disperse in the land and seek of Allah's bounty, and remember Allah much, that ye may be successful - 62.10
salam
Make not Allah hate us - 2
The soul houses the RUH of Allah through which Allah sends down His revelation to the soul distinguishing the righteous path from the path of error to those who seek guidance from Allah alone; it is such of them whom Allah is pleased with and upon them He sends His Grace. Who are these people and how they earn the pleasure of Allah? The purity of one's soul is preserved as long as they seek and receive the guidance from the RUH, guarding each soul. Regarding every matter of dispute and every situation of gloom in the heart, they observe patience in the Name of Allah, and listen to the Lone voice speaking to them clearly, "You shall not suffer either confusion or depression at any point of time." Such people are well aware that this is the voice of their God because they believe He alone can deliver such distinction clarity with regard to the future.
Their patience, their belief, their listening, their obedience, their submission to their RUH - all such qualities are due to their reflection and reasoning in all matters of life in their souls with questions such as: what, why, when, whence and how? As these questions are well entrenched in their souls as believers that they are, and who do not ask the queries to or take the guidance from the outside world, they are listened to only by their God. Only now God answers each of them with a beautiful guidance to suit each one's natural ability to follow His course, individually, without the need for anybody's help.
At any given time there are very many people of this standing round the globe; Allah chooses the best among them for the Gracious living by His Mercy to make him live before his people as a formidable Sign from Him; and there are messengers of this order in every town, every capital and in every linguistic population, chosen by His Grace endowing them of His Wisdom for all time to come. Allah is the Best to judge as to who to choose for guiding a misguided people. Such people do come to their people with message of admonition and glad tidings with clear proof and wisdom from their God; though the people receive the message in their souls with awe, the evil of their envious behaviour overtakes them, making them reject with arrogance, the message and admonition wholesomely. Lo! they know not they had rejected their own souls, shuttering down their gateways for heaven inviting the curse and the wrath of Allah upon them. This is the worse they could do in their entire lives. Their abode is hell and disgraceful punishment.
"The worst is what they have earned by selling their souls-- that they rejected out of sheer envy, the Graceful Guidace that Allah sends down on whoever of His servants He pleases; so they have incurred upon them wrath upon wrath; to such rejecters is a disgraceful punishment." 2:90
Earning the Grace of Allah
Allah's Grace is not forbidden to anyone. The grace of Allah will not go unrewarded for all the good works one does in his entire life however trivial or small or indistinct it might be, even if its size is of the seed of a mustard and also, even though the good work he has done is a long forgotten one. In this way there cannot be a sigle living individual who has not done even a single good deed by way of his mind, or of his words, or of his actions during his life. Allah's grace is bestowed upon the heart of the receiver of the reward thus: strengthening his faith upon faith, sharpening his distinguishing ability, making him stand firm in the cause of righteousness thus elevating his positions by the time because of the constancy even in such good deeds of nano miniature scale. They would be well contented and satisfied in life with gratitude for whatever their God had provided them. These people always do wonder why God had given them so much when they had done nothing meritorious in the path of God. What they had done is this: they had not envied others when they flourished by their God's Will, and they always guard them from the evil and say: "O my God, I seek refuge in You from the evil of the envious when he envies."
There are most people who openly do a lot of seemingly good deeds but unacceptable to God; they are of jealous ones the evil of which undoes all the good works they had done. This evil nature of every person is not only an obstacle to his elevation but to the grief some situation all his life. The more one envies a person who is very well off by his God's grace, the worse is the adversity he would suffer in his life. And the more the envied person ignores the jealous for the sake of God, they would be given even a grand kingdom. Such are they the people of Ibrahim, the idol worshiping society who were normally looked down upon as 'rejecters' by the so called 'muslims'. Allah dislikes them who take up the mantle of judging others in any manner. In this way the 'muslims' are the foremost sinners among the entire human kind. They are the ones standing as model for others why God had deprived them of His Grace.
"The worst is what they have earned by selling their souls-- that they rejected out of sheer envy, the Graceful Guidace that Allah sends down on whoever of His servants He pleases; so they have incurred upon them wrath upon wrath; to such rejecters is a disgraceful punishment." 2:90
"Or do they envy the people for what Allah has given them of His grace? But indeed We have given to Ibrahim's children the Book and the wisdom, and We have given them a grand kingdom." 4:54
Where and How to invest to harvest?
If you loan for the sake of Allah a beautiful loan, He will multiply it for you and forgive you. And Allah is Intent in Assessing and Forbearing.
The word 'Beautiful' implies wide ranging application such as fair, handsome, lovely, soothing, comforting, graceful, caring and so on. Allah says your giving loan to the fairly needy and very respectable individuals during their testing times, is the loveliest and most handsome of the investments. Such of them can only be identified by the signs of their restraints for they would uphold the dignity of Allah by not seeking any help from the people in such a way the ignorant ones would account them wealthy. To identify such people what is needed is the grace from Allah, His wisdom and the criterion or the distinguishing ability as the most essential Benevolence from the Most Astute; but by such of His Grace, it is impossible to invest a beautiful loan that would erase all our sins and multiply our gains: wisdom wise for the best lives in both the worlds.
Where to Invest and How to Invest for the Harvest! May Allah Guide and Help Us.
Say:
"O Allah, increase us in our wisdom; we call on You and we only seek You; Guide us in the Straight Path; the path of those upon whom You have bestowed Your favor and not of those who incurred Your wrath and who You have left astray."
Where and how to invest to harvest - 2 ?
Who is he that will Loan to Allah a beautiful loan? He would increase it manifold for him, and he will have a liberal Reward.
A beautiful loan means giving with a sense of duty from the remains of our wealth to those who are in need and to who if we give would be pleasing to Allah so that our hearts would have solace in it for all time to come. When Allah is pleased with such, our stature would be such that:
1. We would be given the wisdom to pick the right kind of soul who patiently would expect Allah's help alone and about whom Allah is pleased with and upon who His Mercy is resting.
2. We would personally reach out to such needy with all our help so that none besides us and the needy would ever come to know of it.
3. We would not fix a time frame for returning the loan; yet we would free them from any pressure with regard to loan because we know our reward for this is with Allah.
4. We put our trust in only Allah and pray for the one who has received the loan.
5. Even though we are in need under unforeseen circumstances, we would choose to pray God for us and for them for patience and steadfastness in honouring the goodly loan for His sake.
6. We would be helped by Allah in such a way, we would be made to forget the loan we had offered to any goodly soul.
7. This is because God meantime by His Grace already had rewarded us with His Ampleness.
8. Further, Allah would embark us upon even a higher pedestal.
salam
Disease and Poverty
These two are the penultimate test from Allah for those who claim to be Muslims before they are admitted to heaven or thrown into hell. By calling oneself a Muslim we shall know by that he says, "I believe in the only God for the needs and the requirements of his entire life. I am satisfied that He alone is sufficient for me and I do not seek any help from anyone besides Allah until my soul and life is captured by Allah." The more one claims to be a Muslim, the severe the test for him from Allah. This is because he says so when he is in shirk with or without his know; and he is saying and posing what he is not which is most hateful in the eyes of Allah.
And Allah will not mislead a people after He hath guided them, and until such time He makes clear to them what to avoid - for Allah hath knowledge of all things.
The guidance from this ayat is if we want disease and distress free life in this world: say not and pose not what you are not; and fear Allah to call oneself or pose oneself as a Muslim when the judgement regarding this about each one is with Allah. Show your faith and fear only to Him.
No beard, no cap, no Arabic names. This basic is necessary to allow Allah Himself to teach what fear for Him is and how to lead a faithful life.
Any input is welcome
Thanks for the fine posts!
Quote from: drfazl on February 05, 2013, 07:31:43 PM
The more one claims to be a Muslim, the severe the test for him from Allah. This is because he says so when he is in shirk with or without his know; and he is saying and posing what he is not which is most hateful in the eyes of Allah.
I have found that the things we call tests, which can be adversities, sad events, trouble and problems etc, are partly consequences of what we believe and do, but also reminders and invitations to accept Allah as the only Source and Provider of everything. Allah is not unfair, and doesn't let things happen by accident or random. Hardship is a wake-up slap which is a tremendous blessing, because it gives us a chance to see that we need to learn something and correct something in our world view. Hardship, or test, is Allah's blessing and opportunity for us to learn and purify ourselves. If we take the opportunity, then we can grow and improve. If we don't learn from the lessons, we'll have more lessons, again and again, because Allah is The Mericful... but in the end we'll get burnt out and broken... because we refused and failed to learn when the chances were given. Allah and life is not unfair... even though it can be very tough with misery and sadness.
The degree of severity of the tests, in my understanding, depends partly on how much you can handle (and only Allah knows how much that is) and partly on how hard you are resisting the potential positive change. The more resistance you have inside, the more misery you'll have. These seem to be directly proportional to each other. Furthermore, resistance seems to stem from the mind... and when the mind is allowed to alone control a person, while there is no "heart" that can sense the presence and reality of Allah, then there will be much misery in life. The "heart" can pick up Allah's guidance, while your mind is blind.
Declaring infront of Allah that you are muslim is one way of saying that you ask Allah to guide you. Since you want guidance, you also acknowledge that you need help to be purified, and this is another way of saying that you have things to learn. Having things to learn (like learning to rely on Allah..) means you need lessons, which in turn and essence are challenging situations to overcome and go though. I believe Allah says in the Quran that those who claim to believe will surely be tested. I personally see this in two different ways. One way is what I have already mentioned, that since the conscious path toward purification has started (by claiming to believe) then we have to go through all those things that we need to learn... and they'll appear as more or less unpleasant circumstances = tests. The other way is that we need to show that we are honest and sincere in our claim of faith, and that we indeed are ready and determined to walk the talk... that we really mean business. This will show if we are hypocrites or not. And Allah never puts more burden on anyone than he or she can handle. Allah is after all not unfair. So, saying that the test is too much to handle is a lie, in the sense that it IS possible to handle it, even though our mind might disagree. We can handle much more than our poor mind wants us to believe. The question is, do we give up, or do we strive hard toward purification while asking Allah for strength and guidance? Which way do we choose? Allah is indeed The Merciful, but rarely do we realize this.
All we have to do is to accept Allah's invitation to purification. Allah will give us the means, ways and strength to pull through... but we have to have the intention and vision. We should not be quitters, especially when it gets hard. Allah's help is always there (and totally necessary for us), and
that is in reality the actual lesson we need to learn. And it is important to understand that it is a process that cannot be rushed. We cannot expect to shed our fears, resistance and negativity over night. We need to be patient, work steadfast and just practise relying on Allah. It's a process...
Peace y'all
:)
zulf, salam
Your post speaks of your determination to stick to your faith in the Almighty Power and Its Prowess that carries you forwards and towards eternal ascent in all its fineness. A bit of preening one or two points based on the ayats shall remove the obstacles of 'fear of hard tests' such as follows:
4:147 What would Allah gain with your punishment if you are grateful and believe? And ever is Allah Appreciative and Knowing.
9:115 And Allah would not let a people astray after He has guided them until He makes clear to them what they should avoid. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of all things.
20:2 We have not sent down the Quran to you to cause you distress
39:35 That Allah will turn off from them the worst of what they did, and will pay them for reward the best they used to do.
39:53 Say: "O my bondsmen who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
24:38 That Allah may reward them with the best of what they did, and increase reward for them of His bounty. Allah giveth blessings without short supply to whom He will.
25:70 Except for those who repent, believe and behave justly - for them Allah will replace their distressful deeds with graciousness. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
3: 135 And those who, as they involve in evil or wrong themselves, remember Allah and implore righteousness from their evil - Who shows righteousness save Allah? - and will not knowingly persist in their evil ways.
3:136 Those - their reward is forgiveness from their Lord and gardens beneath which rivers flow.
2:286 Allah does not charge a soul beyond its capacity. It will have the good it has gained, and it will bear the evil it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten the righteous path or committed evil. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."
zulf, if you could include certain of the ayats I have cited above and redo your post removing the obstacle 'fear of hard test', it would be perfect. Those who believe in Allah and stand steadfast, they have no fear nor worry is the word of promise from Allah. Awaiting your complimenting post.
Salam
Quote from: Zulf on February 06, 2013, 11:13:56 AM
Thanks for the fine posts!
I have found that the things we call tests, which can be adversities, sad events, trouble and problems etc, are partly consequences of what we believe and do, but also reminders and invitations to accept Allah as the only Source and Provider of everything. Allah is not unfair, and doesn't let things happen by accident or random. Hardship is a wake-up slap which is a tremendous blessing, because it gives us a chance to see that we need to learn something and correct something in our world view. Hardship, or test, is Allah's blessing and opportunity for us to learn and purify ourselves. If we take the opportunity, then we can grow and improve. If we don't learn from the lessons, we'll have more lessons, again and again, because Allah is The Mericful... but in the end we'll get burnt out and broken... because we refused and failed to learn when the chances were given. Allah and life is not unfair... even though it can be very tough with misery and sadness.
The degree of severity of the tests, in my understanding, depends partly on how much you can handle (and only Allah knows how much that is) and partly on how hard you are resisting the potential positive change. The more resistance you have inside, the more misery you'll have. These seem to be directly proportional to each other. Furthermore, resistance seems to stem from the mind... and when the mind is allowed to alone control a person, while there is no "heart" that can sense the presence and reality of Allah, then there will be much misery in life. The "heart" can pick up Allah's guidance, while your mind is blind.
Declaring infront of Allah that you are muslim is one way of saying that you ask Allah to guide you. Since you want guidance, you also acknowledge that you need help to be purified, and this is another way of saying that you have things to learn. Having things to learn (like learning to rely on Allah..) means you need lessons, which in turn and essence are challenging situations to overcome and go though. I believe Allah says in the Quran that those who claim to believe will surely be tested. I personally see this in two different ways. One way is what I have already mentioned, that since the conscious path toward purification has started (by claiming to believe) then we have to go through all those things that we need to learn... and they'll appear as more or less unpleasant circumstances = tests. The other way is that we need to show that we are honest and sincere in our claim of faith, and that we indeed are ready and determined to walk the talk... that we really mean business. This will show if we are hypocrites or not. And Allah never puts more burden on anyone than he or she can handle. Allah is after all not unfair. So, saying that the test is too much to handle is a lie, in the sense that it IS possible to handle it, even though our mind might disagree. We can handle much more than our poor mind wants us to believe. The question is, do we give up, or do we strive hard toward purification while asking Allah for strength and guidance? Which way do we choose? Allah is indeed The Merciful, but rarely do we realize this.
All we have to do is to accept Allah's invitation to purification. Allah will give us the means, ways and strength to pull through... but we have to have the intention and vision. We should not be quitters, especially when it gets hard. Allah's help is always there (and totally necessary for us), and that is in reality the actual lesson we need to learn. And it is important to understand that it is a process that cannot be rushed. We cannot expect to shed our fears, resistance and negativity over night. We need to be patient, work steadfast and just practise relying on Allah. It's a process...
Peace y'all
:)
Stay away safe from all adversities
Appreciation is valuing by perception of someone's good nature or quality; and the depreciative assessment against a person starts with his failing character. The character of a good natured person would only reflect in his show of gratitude to the source from where every bit of a good thing should he cherish soulfully. If one is a believer in God, he would give thanks surely and almost instantly to such a Source, the God! If only we show our thanks to God, He says: What would your God gain by punishing you if you are grateful and believe? And ever God is Appreciative of your good nature and He is Most Generous and All-Knowing as to what to recompense you with.
If our show of gratitude is to the mark of earning His pleasure, then from this moment up, all our miseries are over to the beginning of the Lasting Day.
The way to show our gratitude is: never look down upon some with pride; nor would you look up at others with envy; rather, have compassion for those suffering in adversity seeking for their forgiveness and shall not pass comments on them lest we would invite the displeasure or wrath of our God.
This is because, God says: If an affliction should touch you - there had already been destined for others similar afflictions. And We vary its timing among the people so that Allah may make evident those who believe and to choose witnesses from among you; - and Allah does not like the wrongdoers.
Further, here is the warning from the Almighty as to why we shall seek forgiveness to those who are suffering a trial period: Fear a trial which will not strike exclusively those who have wronged among you; and know that Allah is severe in penalty.
The best and the easiest way to guard us from all adversities is to seek forgiveness for anyone who is in a testing situation for, no one knows if he is going to be the chosen witness by Allah. Seeking forgiveness for such is an intercession from us to Allah. Since by such intercession we dutifully and with due remembrance only followed Him, here is the reward for such an intercession:
Whoever intercedes for a good cause will have a reward therefrom; and whoever intercedes for an evil cause will have a burden therefrom. And ever is Allah , over all things, a Keeper.
salam, All.
Which is a Halal Food?
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605037.msg321210#msg321210
Glorytothegracious,
We shall not eat bad foods or spoilt foods for if we eat we fall to sickness. The Curer is the One who cures you, though there are self-claimed 'curlers, healers, doctors, specialists etc'. All these words are associations to "The Curer, The Healer, The Speacialisr or The Best". All the Best Names on earth are those what man attributes to himself, while they belong only to Allah. Thus there are many many Names of Allah, attributed to men very plainly such as: King, Governor and so on without a prefix 'servant of The King, servant of The Governor, servant of The Honorable, servant of His Highness. Thus if our fear is that we shall not associate partners to Allah with reference to All His Beatiful Names, never qualify and call a man with the best of adjectives, or in other words, equate not these filthy people to His Highness, the Majesty of Allah.
We fall sick after eating bad foods or spoilt foods; after the sickness has set in, it is only The Curer cures removing the evil of the foods. Allah says while I, The Purifier make the foods pure for you, and make them Lawful to you to eat thereof, and why do you not invoke My Names: O the Curer, O the Purifier, O the Lawful, O the Forgiver, O the Provider, O the Relenting, O the Knower, O the Truthful. What made you believe the organic or halal shop owners, while I am the Trustworthy, The Mumin.
Allah says: nothing shall prevent you from eating before touching every food on your platter while remembering of My Names suitably invoking it where necessary and eat while you fear Me alone without fearing the food or worrying about the source from where they came. Because to do so is sin before Allah. If a food refuses to agree with your digestion, your call is upon: O the Rectifier.
What has been made as unlawful foods are clearly prescribed thus: the dead, the pouring blood, the meat of swine and those foods upon which other than Allah's Names are pronounced. A day to day example for this is: we thank and wish each other for providing food at home feast or a feast hosted in restaurants without giving Thanks to Him, The Most Appreciative and without seeking His Forgiveness and His Mercy for our entire future to come.
Finally to invoke the Names of Allah, remember this. In all your needs are His Names. And remember not to grope for Allah' names.
Salam
If we want Heaven
We shall not have affection for our fathers or our sons or our brothers or our relations if we find them opposed to Allah and His Messenger. Upon such of us - in our hearts, Allah would inscribe faith and support us with His RUH. And He would admit us to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein we abide eternally. Allah would be pleased with us, and we would be pleased with Him - we are the party of Allah . Unquestionably, the party of Allah - we, are the successful.
There are those three things we shall take into account: Allah, His Messenger, His RUH
If Allah is with You and His Ruh is with You, then His Messengers such as Ruhul Quddus(Gibreel, The Messenger who convey the Purest Words from Allah), Ruhul Amin(Mikhail, The Messenger who show the Surest Way by the leave of Allah), are also with You - in Your Heart. Nothing is away or outside of you, if you want to be led to heaven in both here and in the world after.
Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gibreel - it is he who brings down upon your heart, Allah's Command and by His leave , confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers." Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gibreel and Mikhail - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.
If we mind and remind ourselves, these two are our true real time Prophets, Messengers for the rest of the world - the worlds' life time.
Your valuable inputs welcome...
salam
This is not really about your posts... but I was wondering about how you connect ruhulquddus with jibril while ruhulamin with mikail. When I google them I find that ruhulamin is one of the names of jibril. Could you share something on this? Peace and thanks
Quote from: Zulf on February 16, 2013, 06:36:14 PM
This is not really about your posts... but I was wondering about how you connect ruhulquddus with jibril while ruhulamin with mikail. When I google them I find that ruhulamin is one of the names of jibril. Could you share something on this? Peace and thanks
Salam zulf,
Who is Jibril? And who is Mikhail? Ruhul Quddus and Ruhul Amin are the two names of one and the same angel Jibril, or different names of the two different angels?
Except Allah none possesses multiple names to Whom belongs all the Beautiful Names in the heavens and in the earth - be they prophets, or messengers from among the men or from among the angels - none has more than one name.
Allah's RUH is with each human being. To enliven it, and to protect it two angelic messengers are assigned to it, Ruhul Quddus and Ruhul Amin.
As each RUH receives the Will of God as His well-measured Wish, this is the Haj ordained upon his soul. Thereat, the Wish induces and influences each one to set out on his Haj. And our whole life is destined to be set upon this Pilgrimage, until our life departs for His abode for good.
Say: Ruhul Quddus has brought this from Allah with the truth, that it may secure belief, and as a guidance, and as good news for those who are pleased with Allah. 16:102
Here, Ruhul Quddus breathes the Purest Words of Allah into the hearts of the believers to strengthen their belief in the will of Allah that becomes their Haj i.e. their wilful wish of life. In it is the guidance for their entire pilgrimage towards fulfilling Haj; and in it is also the promise of good news from Allah that He would help them and protect them in completing their Haj. There is only one life for us; and there is only one Haj for each of us. Thus Ruhul Quddus, the angel Jibril, brings down the Purest Words of promise from Allah for our entire life on this earth. Every good news is brought down to us with Truth from Allah with signs and revelation to strengthen our belief in all the Wish He had blessed us with through Ruhul Quddus.
If you look at this ayat:
Ruhul Amin has descended with it... 26:193
The ayat is preceded by the guidance, and repeated warnings which Ruhul Amin revealed to the misguided people by the leave of Allah, before finally the destruction of the communities took place as they adamantly persisted in hot pursuit of their desires in exchange for The Haj - involving in all falsehood.
When Allah mentions about the two angels namely Jibril and Mikhail; and while Jibril is Ruhul Quddus, the other angel Mikhail should be none other than The Ruhul Amin.
While i obey Allah I follow these messengers in my life.
Salam
The Religion of Nuh for All The Worlds
Certainly We sent Nuh to warn his people to guard before painful affliction would befall them. He said, "O my people, I am but a plain Warner; call upon Him alone; and follow me."
Here the painful afflictions are: diseases and poverty. These are but a Warning from Allah, before by His command any catastrophe destroys us en masse. Today we suffer from societal disorders and social disharmony to individual afflictions both mentally and physically. All the knowledge of men such as physical, physiological, pathological, psychological, psychotic, meditation, yoga, spiritual therapies have come to a stand off. All these have been proved to be a farce before the gruesome picture of deliriously deleterious world populace. Each one's state of balance is dwindling because of their increasing incoherence and in coordination between their intuit and intellect. All the therapies of physiological cure, and subjects of mental stability hypothesised and prosthesis-ed by the men proclaimed 'doctors and nobel-laureates' in the field of all material knowledge and mental philosophies had gone down the drain thus far and would meet the same fate any far.
The severe warning from Prophet Nuh has come: you are reminded again, Mind is your life and None shall secure it except Allah; and hence call upon Him alone and none besides Him.
42:13
It is this life has Allah ordained upon Nuh and unto us. Yet it is hard for those who are wrong-doers
As long as we don't call upon for our mental derangements and physical diseases besides Allah, The Curer, The Almighty, there is no suffering or adversity of any sort that would afflict us or our family or our descendants. It is time we are done with the doctors who say: We save your lives! In Prophet Nuh is a perfect exemplar for all people of peace and prosperity.
The wind of Grace
25:48
It is He who sends the winds as good news before His grace; and We send down pure water from the sky.
Note: Winds always carry the sounds of communication; or the breeze of messages; sounds in the wind are audible to the ears; but the messages in the breeze are only perceptible to the mind; there is an air of relief and solace to the breast when some good feel embraces us, as it breezes past. There is not a single breath in our breathing that does not carry winds of message to our hearts; the winds are solely about the future; and again, the winds are always sayer of good tidings. You are a believer in the glad tidings if you keep up your freeness of mind in relation to the messages your hearts have perceived; and your firmness in your resolve takes you closer to God and godliness for you have acquired this ability to understand His Communications; and it is Him who has elevated you in degree for He took account of your efforts, however meagre and minimum it is, to preserve the God-given calmness during times of perplexities. Thereat the Grace comes down upon the people having such hearts like the water pouring down from the sky on a barren land, that is sure to produce greens of splendor all around.
Patience during testing times is the sure winner of both the world's wealths. The more we endure since the breezes of message has touched our hearts, it is because of His bestow we are able to go past the difficult situation; and this is passing in our testing times. The reward for such passing is the victorious life that shall never see worry or fear in both the worlds; they shall have what they wish for; and whatever they ask of is with them in abundance and with all its freshness.
When we see it is beyond us to endure any further, God knows well our standard of perception and our degree of endurance; and it is that surely He will not test us beyond our tolerance threshold. Whoso endures more and more it is because of allowance of His wisdom and therewith the forbearance; He allows this in a measure to whoso He is pleased with only to grace them with as much as they are worth for His bounties, which would last forever.
From such perception, the best of prayers for each of us would be:
"O God! Increase us in our patience and help us pass the test of time; Raise us in degrees and ranks in tolerance and wisdom; make our lives easy and smooth during the times of endurance."
Read the above verse thus:
It is He who sends the WINDS as viable MESSAGES before delivering His GRACE; and We bring down the CREATIVE LIFE FORCE from the sky.
fazlur rahman
The 'Sakar' Hell
And The 19
Sakar is the starting of the Hour of one bang of a 'Resounding reverberation' in the hearts of the evil-mongering for what they had been involved in their entire life. It is the start of the Hour of their retribution, by Allah. That is the beginning of the heaviest of all burdens to be borne by the hell bound; and no respite from, nor easing out of, nor delay of their punishment will ever be there for the rejecters. The Hour of questioning: when each unjust would face the wrath of their God direct as to his ungrateful rejection and abuse of every good thing God had bestowed him with. The wrong doers would be placed on a steep precipice of his own pride from where he could neither move nor could he climb down except to fall to the abysmal depths of hell, the Sakar. He was contemptuous towards Quran all through his life for he could not find in it that would suit his vain desires; he hated, rejected and turned away from it - and became one of the proud; he dismissed Quran as void; and he proclaimed it to be just a figment of imagination by a man. Surely such are 'Sakar-bound'.
Sakar will neither spare nor overlook any of one's misdeeds and abuse, however small or big it could be; he would be in total wreck and an utter derangement.
The guards of the hell wouldl be malayika, the angels,19. As believers one shall believe Allah, The Lasting Day, the nineteen '19' angels guarding the Sakar hell, who shall never allow the dwellers of it escape the torment of fire.
O you who believe! save yourselves and your families from a fire whose fuel is men and stones;
over it are angels stern and strong, they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them, and do as they are commanded. 66:6
How to Read Quran
The languages are based on the things, events and the words of the past by which we shall understand nothing of tomorrow and upon which alone our lives exist. The rest of our lives is only tomorrow and we live only for the future; and we are not living in the present as it is already passing by; neither do we live in the past. Hence the dead past, and its knowledge, and its languages and their vocabularies are bygones, unfit for the future. Thus millions of libraries, billions of their books, and zillions of their readers are like dead and decomposing, and, until and unless they look up to the wisdom of the future, the ways of all walks of life are vanities.
There could be only One Book, the Book that reminds us of our conscience, the power of which connects us with the Creative power of the universe, The God. The God's Book, any Veda is The Book of God provided its language connects us to the language of mind, sense, conscience and The Creative Power. Any human language with its syntax and grammar application to understand Veda is farcical. Such linguistic approach towards Veda, makes them barbaric cannibals fit for hellish lives in all the worlds.
If one's heart is for Quran, shun the scholars of arabic and their dumb application of the arabic language and its physical grammar that lead to absolute misunderstanding messing up the past, the present and the future. But seek from the only Teacher, Allah, the All-Knowing, who shall convey His message to his mind and sense, for application of it in its pristine pure form throughout his practical life in both the worlds, by being with Him all the while.
Peace
Please follow the link below for a topic on After Death started by the - truthseeker
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605124.msg322769#msg322769
Peace.
The Power Of Night - 97
Quran reading is useless unless we decisively stick to righteousness while applying our reading practically in our lives, atleast to an extent possible. Based on such keenness of a soul, Allah Guides, insuch a way that we do not transgress or become ungrateful after receiving His Mercy. Here is an instance as to how we shall read the Quran and to understand it live to follow it:
Chapter Al Qadr - 97
The Reading of the chapter verse by verse
1. Surely We revealed it on the Night of Power
2. And what will make you comprehend what the Night of Power
3. The Night of Power is better than a thousand months,.
4. The angels and RUH descend in it by the permission of their God for every affair,
5. Peace! it is till the break of the morning.
Now the Application of the Guidance phase by phase:
1. Certainly We have been showing them every day, the Power of each Night.
Allah knows all our sins through our mischievous acts and transgressions that we do conscientiously during our day time, until we retire from all our works by the evening by which time we become haggard, worried and vexed, which is the just recompense of what we had earned, all through the day. Yet while we go to sleep each Night, there is this constant prayer in the depth of our heart: "May Allah forgive my sins and dawn upon me the Light of Life and Guide me free from fear and worry." Allah makes this prayer descend during the Night.
2. And what will make you comprehend what the Night of Power?
Allah says, "Do not try to figure out literally what that Night is, for it is comprehension by way of perception that which is sent upon your heart as revelation from Me; and hence seek from Me alone as to what it is! I am Most Forgiving, All-Knowing, Well-Aware."
3. The Night of Power is greater than a thousand months,.
This is your approximate life-span i.e., eighty-three years, wherein you would roughly live for 30,000 nights and 30,000 days. Allah, the All Knowing knows all the sins that you had earned during each day, and would know what you would earn all through for the rest of your lives. But for His Forgiveness and Mercy, we are not taught this prayer through the Malayika and the RUH who say, by the leave of Allah, to our hearts: "May Allah forgive my sins and dawn upon me the Light of Life and Guide me free from fear and worry."
6:60 And He it is Who captures your souls and makes you die at nights and put to sleep peacefully without fear and worry accepting your prayer which has been placed in your heart the previous day, before the Night fell, by the malayika and RUH by His leave; and He knows what you earn as sins during the day, then He raises you up clearing your heart of all evil of the previous day, with brightness and
Peace at dawn therein that your appointed term may be fulfilled; but, after a thousand months of your life, to Him is your return when you are made to die for the second and for the final time, then He will inform you of what you were doing.
At this point of time your prayers seeking forgiveness would not be accepted. You would seek some way of escape and plead before your God which He would decline for good; and here it is as Tom how the situation would be: 40.11: They shall say: Our God! twice did You make us subject to death, and twice have You given us life, so we do confess our faults; is there then a way to get out?
We will be told then that we were given a long lease of 30,000 nights of promised forgiveness from your God, and peaceful sleep in the Night. And those nights when you had spent sleepless nights were because your sins on those days were so severe, that Allah had not forgiven your sins and allowed you to repent for your evils as punitive recompense so that you shall not carry your sins to your next world. Yet we persisted in our evil ways with our disregard and utter thankless ness with arrogance belying the Final Day. This would further teach us that all the world population put together with their knowledge and power could never cause one night of peaceful sleep. The power of Night, a single Night is far greater.
4. The Malayika and RUH descend in it by the permission of their God for every affair:
What happens on each of those 30,000 nights is Malayika and RUH descend upon our hearts conveying forgiveness of Allah and also by His leave they take up every affair of our individual lives during the nights and set them right giving us the
Night of Peace.
5. Peace! it is till the break of the morning.
This is the Power of Night which lasts until dawn, until our waking up to complete our stint for the next day, and thus the
Night of Power, The Night of Peace is sent down upon our hearts that which continues until the final day....
There are certain grateful bondsmen who dutifully follow the path of Light, following the Night of Power regarding who Allah says: 6:122. Is he who was dead then We raised him to life and made for him a light by which he walks among the people, like him whose likeness is that of one in utter darkness whence he cannot come forth? Thus what they did was made fair seeming to the unbelievers, till the Nights of Power is over for them and until their second and final raising up...
Respected Doctor, Thank you once again for this pearl of wisdom
Drinking alcohol is not some act of magic where the formula will "create" something without reason.
Follow the Qur'an and do not get confused with the ahadith that say such categorical things as whether you will go to hell (whatever it means "go to hell").
In alcohol, as the Qur'an says, there is some good, and there is bad, but the bad outweighs the good and it is from Shaytan, meaning, misleading and evil.
You must not think merely ont terms of hell and not hell, hell you create when you create eveil for you and for others. Drinking is a social evil. People who mind the soiety in which they live and humans in general abstain from drinking because even if it does not entail an evil for them, it does sustain the drinking penchant of society at large and helps other to become or continue to be alcoholics. When you drink you are not helping those who may be very inclined to fall into that habit or who may have fallen and broken their lives because of it, and eventually you might break yours. You never know, one day you are all right, another day you may have a heartache or troubles from which you want to escape and it is a great temptation, to look for comfort in alcohol. People do not notice they are becoming alcoholics when it starts, it is just drinking to feel better.
Summing up, do not forget that the Qur'an is not only about the individual good, but about the good of whole societies and that one should not abstract his or her own good, from that of the whole society where he lives as human.
Salaam
Salaam,
You put it well there. Thank you. God bless you for that.
This article is in response to God's will - How does it work?
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605157.msg323104#msg323104
Quote from: jtc on March 10, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
For years I have spouted the phrase "God is doing everything", and firmly "believed" in it based this on verse such as 8:17, 57:22, and 64:11.
But, I had unanswered questions such as: "when a girl is raped, God is doing that?" or "when people are abused or mistreated, God is doing that?". My response was always, "God is doing everything, but nothing bad comes from him." I got this again from Khalifa's interpretation of verses 4:78-79.
Many Muslims say "in sha Allah" when talking about the future. I noticed that the command in sura 18 is regarding that you will do something tomorrow, and not necessarily an hour into the future. This makes sense to me as we do not know if we will be alive tomorrow, and that God ultimately controls when our life ends here. However, I would like to know what peoples understanding from the Qur'an is on the subject of God's control in all of our worldly affairs and our day to day well being.
When the Qur'an says anything good is from God and anything bad is from us, does this mean that our health, wealth, and happiness are all given by God on a daily basis through divine interventions or are the good things we enjoy is a result of using our God given brains and thanking God? On the other side of things, when bad things happen to us like sickness, accidents, falling out with our friends and family members, are these a punishment from God for committing sins, or are they a result of not using our God given brains and being selfish, etc.?
I once held the belief that God assigns angels to each human to protect them from harm if they are righteous, and these angels basically step aside and let bad things come to us when we sin. I had this understanding again from Khalifa's teachings and interpretations of 13:11. Any I believed that when people are bad they "remove themselves from God's protection" and that bad things happen to them because Satan afflicts them, or since they "choose Satan as a lord" he is incapable of taking care of them like God does.
What does everyone think of these ideas from a Qur'anic perspective. What of divine intervention, miracles, etc.?
Peace, jtc
Before the humans were created, and before the earth and the sky were created, and before the earth and the sky are separated from each other, there was an atmosphere of haze and blaze of fire, in the space. While the blazing fire being the source of creation and the abode of Jinns, the haze of smoke is the atmosphere of the jinns to breathe for its living. The Jinns were living in the paradise but in most of their minds were the rejection of God, idolatry, hypocrisy, treacherousness and disbelief. Allah chose messengers from among them too but their admonitions fell in deaf ears and that they only increased their rejection and hypocrisy. Now the warning of Allah finally arrives that if they do not mend and become obedient slaves of Allah, they would be thrown away and would bring a creative generation in their place who would be above them in everything. The messengers from among the Jinns kept bringing to their people, the Quranic ayats and the Signs of Allah, until Allah began unfolding His Design of Man's abode.
The creation of the earth and the sky was almost a paradise wherein every grace of Allah had been poured in beyond measure and had been a spectacle to the eyes of the Jinns. But as per His Design, Allah placed the human creation on it, the most beautiful dwelling place, the paradise-like; and this was an eyesore for the jinns. Allah said to Man: "Go forth in this paradise where you want and eat of what you want but never usurp the timber, meant for all the beings on the earth, induced by the whisperings of shaitaan, lest you should be one of them and thus become of the unjust. Yet man faltered and fell to jinns and became of the rejecters and of the disbelievers and thus became of each other.
Before Allah conferred and destined the Most Gracious Benevolence upon man i.e., conferring the Reign of Arsh upon the man, He called out to the earth and the skies to come together either willingly or unwillingly in obedience to man. They both said: We are willingly coming together for the man. Then Allah ordained upon the skies and the earth, the Quran in detail, with which they both shall assess discreetly and diligently the works of man on the earth in accordance with the Quran in their moment to moment life. Then Allah shaped man to a perfect creation with Criterion i.e., with the ability to distinguishing and taught him the Quran, the Guidance to Justice and with that He set man upon the Arsh.
55: 1 The Most Gracious, The Most Benevolent
55: 2 He taught the Quran to the Arsh, the skies and the earth and everything in between
55: 3 He created man in righteous perfection to handle the Arsh
55: 4 And He taught him the Quran, The Guidance perfect.
And with this, He raised mankind as Adam and taught him what is in the skies and in the earth and what is in between; and how they would respond to his needs and his actions; if he goes against the Quran, the skies and the earth would not obey him; and if he is in accordance with Quran and fearing Allah, stick to righteousness while seeking forgiveness all the time, then he is upon the Arsh. The heavens and the skies and everything in between would obey his need and orders, and the paradise is for him, ever.
The instances to this: when Ibrahim was thrown into the pit fire, the heat of fire changed to one of cool comfort; when Nuh prayed, the heavens and the earth opened up to drown the world; when Musa cast his shaft, the sea cleaved into two mountainous parts, creating dry land in between; when Dawood made iron into molten fluid; and to Sulaiman, the wind, the birds, the ants, the jinns, the malayika and Allah knows what more were with him - everything from heavens down to earth obeyed to his command. This is because all were upon the Guidance of Quran and the heavens and the skies were taught Quran before and whatever the wish of man, if he is righteous and his life is in accordance with Quran, the skies and the earth come together to deliver him of his want. The Arsh, including the guardians of it, the malayika obey him, by His leave. On the other hand, if man does not follow Quran, then, he shall follow shaitaan and shaitan follows him and pushes him to hell of a life in this world itself.
And a man's life toggles between the two extreme conditions i.e. between the life of paradise and the life of hell; and struggles through all the mixture between the two, throughout his life. Either he shall rule over the Arsh with Quran, or the Arsh will finish you with earthquakes, volcanos, tsunamis, diseases, famine, floods, blood, madness to say a few.
45: 22 And Allah crated the heavens and the earth on the truthful guidance of Quran, so that every man shall be recompensed for what he did and that they will not be wronged.
Let us know for sure now, both the jinns in their abode of haze; and the human beings in their abode of clear atmosphere of air living in their respective places for millions of years of generations after generations, usurping the timber and engaging in land grabbing fighting and shedding blood and losing lives over them, all being done in the abode of paradise. Jinns were much pleased to have the men at each other's throat and settled their envy against them for Allah having designed such a beautiful place as dwelling place for the human beings. Allah is well-aware of what is in their hearts.
Allah's next design is to reveal the supremacy of the man, created of the muddy-clay, against the jinns created of the blaze of fire. Toward this end, the jinns had in their hearts, the evil racist discrimination and always looked down upon man; and having made men fall to their inducements they were content with their blood-shed and losses of their lives. Allah said to the assembly of Malayika and Jinns: I am going to place man on the earth as My viceroy; and all of you have to serve the man.
While the Malayikas obeyed Allah and obeyed His Will, the jinns said: "Are you going to place as Your Viceroy, such as these on the earth who cause mischief and shed blood, while we praise your glory and purify Your Names?" Allah said, "You know not what I know." Then Allah taught man all that is in the heavens and in the earth and everything in between and thus brought everything under man's command. This teaching to man of the wisdom of power includes the knowledge of Malayika; the inns and out of, who and what the jinns are; and how to bring them all under man's control and obedience by the leave of Allah. Knowing very well the disobedience of the jinns Allah brings man before the jinns and malayikas for the test. The ignorance and the inferiority of the jinns before man were made clear to both the malayika and the jinns. The malayika began obeying the man, but the jinns under the command of Iblis, the leader of the jinns, disobeyed; and Allah was keenly watching this disobedience of jinns.
Allah waited relenting and forgiving the jinns and Iblis, for a long time as it is not His Way to punish then and there for the sins but destines a term appointed. The appointed time came and the jinns were brought before Adam, the knowledgeable Man, the Viceroy of Allah on the Earth, before the assembly of malayika and Allah said to the jinns: "O Jinns! Why did you not obey the command of Man while I ordered you to do so." To this the leader among the rejecting jinn community, Iblis said: "I am not obey the man; see how measly-looking he is; I am not to obey a man who is created out of clay while I was created out of the blaze of fire; and I am superior to him." At this point Allah said: "Are you proud to say so? If that be it there is no place for such arrogant proud in this paradise. Stay out of my blessed place, you Iblis, as shaitaan! Thus the proud, arrogant and racist people became the companions of shaitaan on the earth.
Allah created the earth in the space and cleared the haze, the major area of the dwelling place of Jinns, into clear atmosphere of air for man to breathe his life energy. The haze for jinn's life, and the clear space of air for the man's life are thus separated. In the clear space and air, the Jinns would choke to death; and in the haze and smoke men would choke to death. One cannot seek the guidance from the other. Yet, the men who always sought and acquired the power of fire, and the knowledge of fire from the jinns which ranges from the voodoo and witchcraft to technology of science that which involves the fiery force of heat and fire which is nothing but terrible speed and absolute destruction.
As man's soul has the capacity to imbibe the cosmic wisdom, to keep up his command over the entire creative force from heavens down to earth, given only to drive the shaitaans away from the vicinity of the earth's atmosphere, he shall live with fear for Allah, seeking forgiveness all the while we are conscious. If we fall to the inducements of shaitaan, he will get closest to you showing his glamorous material scientific knowledge and enticing you with his fire technology to the utter destruction of the world. Now for man, it is his choice between the knowledge of shaitan, the science of destruction of the worldly wealth, or the Wisdom of Allah that would elevate your dwelling place, the earth, to the glory of a paradise.
Men among humans mostly had secret dealings with the men among the jinns for all destructive activities only to unjustly rule over the fellow human beings, towards which cause the jinns helped the men a lot by causing hatred and divisions among the humans. Because jinn have such physical speed and ability, taught them all the fiery things and fiery mentality. The human beings slowly gained mastery over all the evils of shaitan, and fell a prey to them and also fell prostrated before them as Gods. Thus the temples, mosques and churches and various other places of worship began under the auspices of satans, the worst disbelievers and the leaders among the jinns. In such worshiping places of satans, the fire and smoke is essential for them to survive; so in temples of Hindus, alighting and worshiping of fire is an essential part of prayer; in Churches, alighting candle is an integral aspect of worshiping; and in most mosques of eastern countries the smoke of various scented incense sticks is burnt while chanting rhymes in praise of Muhammad.
fazlur rahman
Follow Only Allah and His Wisdom
The minds of most men were infested with hatred and rejection of The Almighty, by one's own evil force, The Pride. The pride of their knowledge and know how, obtained through science and technology. The knowledge is the beginning of knowing about certain gross elemental features of the living things around us, which we constantly used to see for a considerable period of time, until our mind begins questions like "wherefrom it is; and why it is; and what ii is" in every stage of its origin, to growth, till the point of its death and extinction.
All these questions take you in two opposing and different directions. One, moves your thoughts in the direction from the visibility of their birth, their growth to their death. And the other, in the direction of the Life force and the Creative wisdom with a single question, 'wherefrom the unit of any matter came into being, with its life and grace.
The instant direction of thought is the evil induced impulse: it pushes your direction of observation, analysis of the living manifestations toward their growth, their decline, their death and their extinction. This is scientific methodology of knowing of things; this scientific study is otherwise called medically as double blind methodology of compare and contrast. In this study they merely hypothesise and postulate based on their best imaginary ability to falsely link their own controversies to summarise and conclude their stories; the more convincing their inventive stories are, the better are their papers acknowledged as 'the best', of the submitted ones; they are awarded PhD, the doctorate title. These are submitters to falsehood.
This direction of knowledge will lead them to millions of inventions of matters and materials that has no life; it is dead matter already, like the recent invention, 'robot' for example. Thus every invention is deadly to the human society. This is one way the most, and the
'most majority way' of the people of the entire world. It is like a spell cast n the society.
When we meet with a dead end, we return to the Creative Power in prayer without even knowing where we turn to. The prayer would be of use to us only when we spend our life time reflecting on all living matters such as the earth, the sky, the planets, the sun, the moon, the stars and everything from heavens down to earth, and pondering upon these as to how they took to living form and matters. This is the way to the Creative Power of Wisdom, the Godly Way. These are the people who submit to the Truth.
If you follow the Way to Wisdom, God's power is nearest to you; if you are proud and arrogant to follow the way to knowledge, you have to strive hard for your living, toiling under the spell of your own imaginary, deadly inventive world. The skies and the earth and everything in between will straiten your heart and make your life miserable and distressed.
6:116.
And if you follow the way of most of those in the earth, they will lead you to knowledge from Wisdom of Allah; they follow but inventions and they only imagine.
Dear DrFazl,
Peace be upon you, My eyes filled with droplets of tears by Reading the truth. How Great the Almighty and How HE reveals the Truth through selected people and welcomes HIS Wisdom Paradise.. . Really the Creation of Jinn and Man wit relevant to Quran... Its Amazing. In fact out MIND is Projected into Universe.....Gods Blessings on You.... And People will follow you and thanking Allah.... In fact the Most Knowing and Most forgiving.....And Most Loving to Human Beings.... How HE has Created the Universe and the Man forgetting HIS Blessings ....
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Salam all,
I agree 100% that the ultimate Decider in our fate/destiny is Allah. However, I think we should not easily discard the gifts that Allah has bestowed upon us such as the advancements in sciences and especially modern medicine.
Does Allah not advocate learning in the Qu'ran? Doesn't He want us to be knowledgeable and to use that knowledge to benefit us? Aren't we to be appreciate of any blessings He has given us (such as medical advancements)? Does He allow us to prohibit anything that isn't specifically prohibited in Qu'ran (are hospital visits prohibited)? Does Allah not mention curatives such as honey in the Qu'ran? Finally, aren't there numerous believers in this field of work?
Of course disbelievers will flock to these blessings from Allah and abuse it to elongate their life as much as possible, but no one is asking us to follow that type of example.
P.S. - I am biased, my wife is a doctor ;D
Dear spodacus,
It will take another 50,000 years or more to understand the truth. All the Doctors put together, can they create a fly?. and they boast aas if they are are life providers. If you support your wife then you are liking HELL since all the doctors paving the way to HELL as they shirk one of GODs property as Life Giver...
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Quote from: farida on January 12, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
salaam
Exactly, that is for us to find out from al-kitaab insha allaah.
All the best to you insha allaah
:peace:
It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah's permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. 42:51
Quote from: Jango on March 26, 2013, 09:03:25 AM
Dear spodacus,
It will take another 50,000 years or more to understand the truth. All the Doctors put together, can they create a fly?. and they boast aas if they are are life providers. If you support your wife then you are liking HELL since all the doctors paving the way to HELL as they shirk one of GODs property as Life Giver...
Salam, you are welcome to your opinion, but please be wary of generalizations. I've never heard a doctor boast to be a "life provider." Most of the doctors I know just want to help people (and helping people is an attribute of the righteous). I have skills and knowledge in electrical engineering myself, so I use those skills to help people. My wife has skills and knowledge about the development and stability within the human body. When she observes an abnormality within the body, is she not required to alert the patient? How can she stand in front of Allah on the Day of Judgement and say that she did not use her God given skills in the cause of Allah?
When there is an unbalance within the human body, a doctor can check that through a blood test, for example. Now, here is the interesting part, most of those unbalancing are usually due to the patient not following Allah's law. For example, I myself have high cholesterol which I get check from time to time. Why do I have high cholesterol? Because I am not following Allah's guidance that we need to eat the "good foods" (i.e. healthy food, 5:5). A doctor pointed out the unbalance in my body, and I used that information to reflect back to Allah's guidance.
Quote from: drfazl on March 26, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
6:116. And if you follow the way of most of those in the earth, they will lead you to knowledge from Wisdom of Allah; they follow but inventions and they only imagine.
It is amazing how many of the verses of the quran can be understood in many different contexts and levels, equally fitting and precise. All praise be to the God!
Quote from: Zulf on March 26, 2013, 05:56:54 PM
It is amazing how many of the verses of the quran can be understood in many different contexts and levels, equally fitting and precise. All praise be to the God!
If Quran is 'The Guide' for all people of all time, then Quran shall be revealing and revealing endlessly to any person, elevating him his latter positions better than his positions earlier; and raise him in degrees better by the second in each man's life span of 83 years. The context of a man is all that which he possesses in his heart, as good or Godly intentions for his tomorrow. In this way every single ayat will unfold 7 billion revelations, to each individual, by the second. And a single verse of Quran does not contradict the other explicitly 6000 odd vivid verses. Thus all the verses together shall strengthen the Truth and the context of a single event, that shall happen in any given moment in each one of 7 billion.
The Seas of water as inks and the fibres of the trees as pens would not be sufficient to reveal the verses of Quran through human languages- this is the most gruesome approach to understand The Revelation of Allah.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg322753#msg322753
Peace
Quote from: spodacus on March 26, 2013, 02:32:43 PM
Salam, you are welcome to your opinion, but please be wary of generalizations. I've never heard a doctor boast to be a "life provider." Most of the doctors I know just want to help people (and helping people is an attribute of the righteous). I have skills and knowledge in electrical engineering myself, so I use those skills to help people. My wife has skills and knowledge about the development and stability within the human body. When she observes an abnormality within the body, is she not required to alert the patient? How can she stand in front of Allah on the Day of Judgement and say that she did not use her God given skills in the cause of Allah?
When there is an unbalance within the human body, a doctor can check that through a blood test, for example. Now, here is the interesting part, most of those unbalancing are usually due to the patient not following Allah's law. For example, I myself have high cholesterol which I get check from time to time. Why do I have high cholesterol? Because I am not following Allah's guidance that we need to eat the "good foods" (i.e. healthy food, 5:5). A doctor pointed out the unbalance in my body, and I used that information to reflect back to Allah's guidance.
Read This Ayath 26:80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me
Read this and Ponder on this. Where is a Doctor treating Patients. Its GOD who treats the patient. Doctors just do the reverse thinking that they are doing good. Shaitan is Playing a Major Role among the Doctors. The English name for Doctor has to be changed as Dogtor.... Yes.... When Allah is curing what is the Role of Doctors other than increasing or introducing new diseases.
If they keep mum the Society will flourish...
Quote from: Jango on March 28, 2013, 04:15:51 AM
Read This Ayath 26:80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me
Read this and Ponder on this. Where is a Doctor treating Patients. Its GOD who treats the patient. Doctors just do the reverse thinking that they are doing good. Shaitan is Playing a Major Role among the Doctors. The English name for Doctor has to be changed as Dogtor.... Yes.... When Allah is curing what is the Role of Doctors other than increasing or introducing new diseases.
If they keep mum the Society will flourish...
Salam, you are entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is that you are reading the Sura too literally. For example read 26:79 ("Who gives me food and drink,"). If you read it literally it sounds like Allah send down food and drink automatically from Heaven to feed you. Maybe it is the case for you, May Allah bless you. But for me and probably many others, this verse means that Allah has established certain plants and animals that FARMERS and HERDERS raise, and by Allah's grace we have access to those items.
Same with 26:80 ("And when I am ill, it is He Who cures me;"). Maybe you and some other people who are blessed by Allah, He is directly curing you with His Grace. But for myself and probably others, this verse means that Allah has unlocked the mysteries of human health and medicine which doctors have learned and now we have access to. I think most of the time this is the case.
Finally, let us not forget that Death is a good thing, sometimes we don't need any healing. Remember as a Muslim, you should look forward to the day you die, as you will be reunited with Allah. So don't get too carried away with healing and health issues, we all die eventually. ;D
Salaam Spodacus
Just to add further, we need to consult to the Quran as what Allah mean's by Cure/Healing or "SHAFA"
And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place. 41:44
And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss. 17:82
Peace
Salaam,
I think it would be harsh to call doctors pawns of the devil. If you rely on God for minor affections solely, then fine, but consider you break your leg, will you wait for God to heal it?
If you get acute diarrhea, will you wait until you die from dehydration, because your body cannot absorb more water?
Doctors are just workers like anyone else, some are greedy, but some are really generous and helpful people. They fix your bone if you break it, they give you remedies when you get an affliction. Does it make them workers of evil?
God created the substances used in the drugs, why not use the good things of what He created? He has warned us about making prohibitions.
The doctors work in the world that God created, using His tools and His substances. God has done all the work already, the doctors just administer the drugs and correct fractures etc, nothing to get hysterical about. It could be considered charity work, helping those who would otherwise die, just like helping poor people from starvation.
Of course, dieing would be a great blessing for a true Believer, and nothing can prevent it, if it is His Will. But letting yourself die by refusing drugs or other remedies is like staying on a railroad and being run over by a train because you do not feel like moving out of danger.
Consider you study herbal medicine and administer drugs on yourself, are you doing Satan's work? Think that you will not die from the ailment, but you take the herbs to relieve your pain, is that works of evil?
In the case of a doctor, these people just do the work for you and they are more educated in this profession.
Now, I do not mean it is not God who heals us, it is He who controls every atom of this universe, He determines the effect of the administered drugs. He can render a remedy useless and take you back to Him if He so desires. Or He can miraculously have you wake up from death on a hospital bed, if He so wills. Have you not seen people who wake up when doctors have declared them dead, and then recover fully? This is God?s doing. It is a sign for the intelligent.
Doctors can only work as far as our comprehension goes, but in some cases everything relies on God. By the way, everything relies on God, doctors just administer a remedy and hope for the best out of experience. Putting a broken leg back into position is pretty primitive and patching it up with surgery is like handicraft.
Professional help does not mean we should not implore God about our affliction, it is the most righteous thing to do and it shows that we know we are in His hands. We should know that it is by His will we recover, He can put us to death even from a pretty minor disease or we can simply depart from our bodies during sleep for no apparent reason.
This is my philosophical thinking regarding getting help from people such as doctors, and I respect your opinions about the same topic. I fully respect those who abstain from any external treatment of their bodies due to their belief system and I can in ways understand the argument. I have been thinking about the same thing regarding myself. But I would not call medicine a Satanic practice.
My article shows that I believe it is God who is the healer of ailments and the medical staff are just simple workers helping do God's work, knowingly or unknowingly. Doctors cannot prevent an individual's death, if God so wishes.
God bless you
Quote from: Awaal_Muslim on March 29, 2013, 02:09:45 AM
Salaam Spodacus
Just to add further, we need to consult to the Quran as what Allah mean's by Cure/Healing or "SHAFA"
And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place. 41:44
And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss. 17:82
Peace
Salam, are these verses related to spiritual healing (i.e. of our soul)? I agree that no doctor or human being can heal or purify our souls. Only Allah can do that for us :)
Quote from: Man of Faith on March 29, 2013, 03:13:41 AM
Salaam,
I think it would be harsh to call doctors pawns of the devil. If you rely on God for minor affections solely, then fine, but consider you break your leg, will you wait for God to heal it?
If you get acute diarrhea, will you wait until you die from dehydration, because your body cannot absorb more water?
Doctors are just workers like anyone else, some are greedy, but some are really generous and helpful people. They fix your bone if you break it, they give you remedies when you get an affliction. Does it make them workers of evil?
God created the substances used in the drugs, why not use the good things of what He created? He has warned us about making prohibitions.
The doctors work in the world that God created, using His tools and His substances. God has done all the work already, the doctors just administer the drugs and correct fractures etc, nothing to get hysterical about. It could be considered charity work, helping those who would otherwise die, just like helping poor people from starvation.
Of course, dieing would be a great blessing for a true Believer, and nothing can prevent it, if it is His Will. But letting yourself die by refusing drugs or other remedies is like staying on a railroad and being run over by a train because you do not feel like moving out of danger.
Consider you study herbal medicine and administer drugs on yourself, are you doing Satan's work? Think that you will not die from the ailment, but you take the herbs to relieve your pain, is that works of evil?
In the case of a doctor, these people just do the work for you and they are more educated in this profession.
Now, I do not mean it is not God who heals us, it is He who controls every atom of this universe, He determines the effect of the administered drugs. He can render a remedy useless and take you back to Him if He so desires. Or He can miraculously have you wake up from death on a hospital bed, if He so wills. Have you not seen people who wake up when doctors have declared them dead, and then recover fully? This is God?s doing. It is a sign for the intelligent.
Doctors can only work as far as our comprehension goes, but in some cases everything relies on God. By the way, everything relies on God, doctors just administer a remedy and hope for the best out of experience. Putting a broken leg back into position is pretty primitive and patching it up with surgery is like handicraft.
Professional help does not mean we should not implore God about our affliction, it is the most righteous thing to do and it shows that we know we are in His hands. We should know that it is by His will we recover, He can put us to death even from a pretty minor disease or we can simply depart from our bodies during sleep for no apparent reason.
This is my philosophical thinking regarding getting help from people such as doctors, and I respect your opinions about the same topic. I fully respect those who abstain from any external treatment of their bodies due to their belief system and I can in ways understand the argument. I have been thinking about the same thing regarding myself. But I would not call medicine a Satanic practice.
My article shows that I believe it is God who is the healer of ailments and the medical staff are just simple workers helping do God's work, knowingly or unknowingly. Doctors cannot prevent an individual's death, if God so wishes.
God bless you
Salam, I agree with you 100%. Why not accept and utilize the blessings from Allah that He has bestowed upon us? Allah wants us (believers) to have a happy healthy life and insh'Allah even better rewards in the Hereafter. :)
Quote from: spodacus on March 29, 2013, 09:56:16 AM
Salam, are these verses related to spiritual healing (i.e. of our soul)? I agree that no doctor or human being can heal or purify our souls. Only Allah can do that for us :)
Salaam
Yes it was spiritual healing, but this is one physical afflictions. (Musibah)
In no way is there an affliction that afflicts in the earth or in yourselves, except (that) it is in a Book even before We initiated it- surely that is easy for Allah – 57:22
Quote from: spodacus on March 29, 2013, 09:56:16 AM
Salam, are these verses related to spiritual healing (i.e. of our soul)? I agree that no doctor or human being can heal or purify our souls. Only Allah can do that for us :)
Peace spodacus
41/44 is refering to the Quran.
SHAKIR:
And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said:
Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arabian! Say:
It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a
heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.
God has given us brains to learn, this gives us purpose, things to strive for, to solve our problems.
God has given us intellect to figure things out rather they be health, political, social, interpersonal
etc., we are to work for peace in this life, while it will be granted to those who strive for it in the next.
[39:62] GOD is the Creator of all things, and He is in full control of all things.
:peace:
Quote from: spodacus on March 28, 2013, 07:23:23 PM
Salam, you are entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is that you are reading the Sura too literally. For example read 26:79 ("Who gives me food and drink,"). If you read it literally it sounds like Allah send down food and drink automatically from Heaven to feed you. Maybe it is the case for you, May Allah bless you. But for me and probably many others, this verse means that Allah has established certain plants and animals that FARMERS and HERDERS raise, and by Allah's grace we have access to those items.
Same with 26:80 ("And when I am ill, it is He Who cures me;"). Maybe you and some other people who are blessed by Allah, He is directly curing you with His Grace. But for myself and probably others, this verse means that Allah has unlocked the mysteries of human health and medicine which doctors have learned and now we have access to. I think most of the time this is the case.
Finally, let us not forget that Death is a good thing, sometimes we don't need any healing. Remember as a Muslim, you should look forward to the day you die, as you will be reunited with Allah. So don't get too carried away with healing and health issues, we all die eventually. ;D
6:116 وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِي الْأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَخْرُصُونَ
And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.
You your self has give answers as "many others". in your reply.Please check your Post.
Dont follow the majority. The Majority follow Hospitals, Insurance, Movies, Schools, Colleges, Jammaads, Institutions, Banks. Politcis....All go to HELL. Please go through this web site.. If interested I will tell you..
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With due regards
Man of Faith
As a follower of the Guidance in Quran,
I feel it is right time to interfere.
fazlur rahman
Quote from: Man of Faith on March 29, 2013, 03:13:41 AM
Salaam,
If you rely on God for minor affections solely, then fine, but consider you break your leg, will you wait for God to heal it?
The testicles of a man and the ovaries of a woman were an empty space full of invisible life force, fully functional from the time of birth up to 14 years in the case of male to produce a sperms and 12 years in the case of female to produce the ova, the visible products: of over a decade of intense activity of the life force to create a new generation of human life. I cite the of the life of Prophet Zakariah, for instance who at the end stage of his life span was given the word of Allah, that He has been blessed with a child infused with wisdom, namely Yahya. As any normal person, Zakariah asked of his doubts with reference to his age, his grey hairs, shaky legs and weak bones; and further he said: how is it possible when his wife too is of old age with her barrenness all through her life? There can not be any other critical situation physically and physiologically. To this Malayikas say on behalf of God, thus:
19:9 He said, "Thus it is; your God says, 'It is easy for Me, for I created you before, while you were nothing.' "
And to Maryam Allah says through malayika to a seemingly a similar question from her:
19:19, 20 How is it possible that I would conceive a son, righteous when no man ever neared me; and neither have I been unchaste? He said, "Thus it is; your God says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter in the decreed.' "
And with regard to breaking of the leg: if you ponder on the embryological development of foetus, in the mesh of mesh of cells and pliable tissues, it is He that created and fashioned the bones and embedded where He wished, during the later developmental progress of the embryo.
75:3 Does man think that We will not assemble his bones?
75:4 Yes. We are Able even to proportion his fingertips.
Are these not extraordinary situations that Allah created as witness and as a sign for those who would strengthen their belief in God for all time to come that whether a thing is simple or complicated; or big or small, it is easy for Him. He does what He intends; all that He has to say to it is "Be!", and it is!
QuoteIf you get acute diarrhea, will you wait until you die from dehydration, because your body cannot absorb more water?
And a hundred years after the death and decay to dust of a donkey, Allah brings it back to life stage by stage as a sign for the generations to come that He has power over all things. And here it is:
2:259 And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."
O man of faith, because you are a believer it is a reminder from what you know already; are you still going to say:
QuoteIf you rely on God for minor affections solely, then fine, but consider you break your leg, will you wait for God to heal it?
Allah should stop you, you would not say that for, if you say so, then the verses below should be enough warning to us all that because we denied and belied Allah's ability to protect and save us over our own capabilities with pride - that too, when we pronounce 'it is inadvisable' to think of God's help to cure us, especially during heavily challenging circumstances, incidents and events. We shall remember this that He is capable of bringing the living from the dead.
QuoteGod created the substances used in the drugs, why not use the good things of what He created? He has warned us about making prohibitions.
While God has created all living things including man and all life generating foods as the source of their lives, man assembled all dead and deadly matters like medicines and drugs for survival of the sick, depriving the men of their foods in the name of 'food restrictions to save their lives'. Allah had allowed the druggists and the followers of the arrogant doctors to wander free and stray into wilderness until they find not even a little of the faith left with them to turn to God for the rescue. Evil is the destination that awaits the denying and the belying. Here is the warning in the very next ayat, 75:5.
75:5 "But man would fain deny what terrible situations, events and occasions await before him!"
43:66 "Are they waiting except for the Hour to come upon them suddenly while they perceive not?"
4:18 And of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to deny and belie until death faces one of them and he says: "Now I repent;" nor of those who die while they are disbelievers. For them We have prepared a painful torment.
QuoteThe doctors work in the world that God created, using His tools and His substances. God has done all the work already, the doctors just administer the drugs and correct fractures etc, nothing to get hysterical about. It could be considered charity work, helping those who would otherwise die, just like helping poor people from starvation.
Does it contains an iota of substance from the Light of Quran we have just before seen as signs of the All Encompassing; All Pervading?
QuoteOf course, dieing would be a great blessing for a true Believer, and nothing can prevent it, if it is His Will. But letting yourself die by refusing drugs or other remedies is like staying on a railroad and being run over by a train because you do not feel like moving out of danger.
Though you would surely never have meant it, the statement above amounts to pure sadistic sarcasm on God: If you want to die or commit suicide, then believe in God; but if you are serious of living on this earth, then resort to dogs, drugs and visit ICUs.
QuoteNow, I do not mean it is not God who heals us, it is He who controls every atom of this universe, He determines the evil effects of the administered drugs. He can render all remedies useless and take you back to Him if He so desires. Or He can by His Forgiveness and Mercy; have you wake up from the evil destined death bed of hospitals, if He so wills. Have you not seen people who wake up when doctors have declared them dead, and then recover fully? This is God?s doing. It is a sign for the intelligent. I fully respect those who abstain from any external treatment of their bodies due to their belief system. I have been thinking about the same thing regarding myself. Doctors cannot prevent an individual's death, if God so wishes.
Sorry, the above is a slight rearrangement of your quote in red by me.
QuoteBut I would not call medicine a Satanic practice. The article shows that I believe it is God who is the healer of ailments and the medical staff are just simple workers helping do God's work, knowingly or unknowingly.
47:38 Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy.
35:15 O mankind, you are those in need of Allah , while Allah is the Free of need, the Praiseworthy.
Man of Faith, pardon me for having done the correction if you did not like it.
God bless you
dr fazl
Quote from: Awaal_Muslim on March 29, 2013, 10:12:01 AM
Salaam
Yes it was spiritual healing, but this is one physical afflictions. (Musibah)
In no way is there an affliction that afflicts in the earth or in yourselves, except (that) it is in a Book even before We initiated it- surely that is easy for Allah ? 57:22
Salam, my understanding is that this verse is in the context that nothing happens to us except that Allah has recorded it in a Book already. I think this verse is asking us to lower our egos and not be too proud when something good happens to us or be too unhappy if something bad happens.
Quote from: hawk99 on March 29, 2013, 10:20:51 AM
Peace spodacus
41/44 is refering to the Quran.
SHAKIR: And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said:
Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arabian! Say:
It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a
heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.
God has given us brains to learn, this gives us purpose, things to strive for, to solve our problems.
God has given us intellect to figure things out rather they be health, political, social, interpersonal
etc., we are to work for peace in this life, while it will be granted to those who strive for it in the next.
[39:62] GOD is the Creator of all things, and He is in full control of all things.
:peace:
Salam, yes I agree. We should use our brains and intellect, a gift from Allah, to help fix our problems, whether they be health issues, engineering problems, etc...
Quote from: Jango on March 30, 2013, 06:24:23 AM
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Save Your self from HELL.....
Salam, I follow Allah's guidance through His final revelation, the Qu'ran. Sorry, this website is interesting, but ultimately I will rely on Allah to save me from hell, not anyone else.
I recommend the same advice for everyone ;D
Salam
Quote from: spodacus on March 30, 2013, 07:01:46 AM
Salam, I follow Allah's guidance through His final revelation, the Qu'ran. Sorry, this website is interesting, but ultimately I will rely on Allah to save me from hell, not anyone else.
I recommend the same advice for everyone ;D
Salaam. You have to rely on Allah to save from Hell. Its correct.
And there is no compulsion in Islam. Please visit Hospitals take medicines, injections, drugs and operations and ICU.
All the Best. Let us resign from this talk further.
Salam ... :welcome:
By the Dawn
It is that appointed period of one's life, which is the likeness of dawn when, the light upon light is to brighten up our discerning ability about the things around us by Allah's leave, that would raise us to the highest living in degree and standards; and it is that period in which there is this fast withdrawing of our darkness; and the falling back of our gloomy ignorance. By the word of Allah, and By the Dawn, and by the brightness soon to grow, is upon His bondsmen who are believers who wake up and stand steadfast in such challenging periods of extended nights destined to each. Allah says the period of 'Night and Dawn' is not determined by you for you would not to calculate them; and so He, appreciatively turns unto you in mercy.
"... And Allah determines the extent of the night and the day. He knows that you will not be able to appreciate it and has turned unto you in Mercy."
By the ten nights
Allah is so relenting, He waits in patience until you wakeup to His call, and then stand steadfast, not undermining your belief even as each night prolongs; and even more to it is added by tens. Allah graces them with strengthened belief and steadfastness so that angels descend upon them with the Promise from their God to make living on the earth a beautiful paradise for them; and to them are the malayikas, friends in both their worlds.
By the more than The One, and The One.
Because of their discerning between the falsehood and the Truth; between the wrongful and the Righteous; between the unjust and the Just; between the bad and the Good; and the 'gods' and "The God!", God is sufficient for them as the Provider; and as Helper and Protector.
By the Withdrawing Night.
There is no gloom or ignorance of darkness in their life and their abode is with the Malayikas, Prophets, Messengers, Martyrs and Helpers unto Allah.
Is not in this sufficient proof for those who discern?
There is none but Allah who would explain and clarify His verses; stay away from dictionaries and grammars and other man made methodologies to gain straight path and grasp the sense of Quran.
35.14 "None can inform you like Him Who is Aware."
salam
fazlur rahman
O People of The Book
19 : 1
Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad
Kaf - KAF - SUFFICIENT Is He
Ha - HUDHA - To put you in the STRAIGHT PATH
Ya - YAMEEN - FLOURISHING in
Ain - ILM - The WISDOM and in
Saad - SADAQ - The TRUTH.
O People Of The Book!19 : 1 SUFFICIENT is HE to put you in the STRAIGHT PATH, FLOURISHING in the WISDOM and in the TRUTH.
Easy identification of those who associate 'the Volumes of lie' to Quran
2:80. They say: But for a few days we will not be in hell.
They are very sure what their destiny in the hereafter is. At that, what they fail to understand is that 'A Day with Allah means 50,000 years in their reckoning. And they bring in various references from their 'Volumes of lie' to disprove this portion and the rest of the portions of the ayat.
To Be Free From Diseases Caused By Haram Food
Why the foods become allergic to you? It is because you pronounced upon the food you eat your Name instead of Allah's Name. It is because you say to your mind and to your family people, "This is from what I have earned through hard work. Not only the food you eat is haram for you, but also everything that you taste or enjoy with this abominable thought with pride: the words of which could be tagged such as 'my money, my earning, my hard work, my family, my business, my responsibility, my education, my knowledge, my intelligence, my care taking, me being the bred-winner, etc,' invites the wrath of Allah.
6:121 And do not taste of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, but instead your name is mentioned for indeed, it is grave disobedience.
From this moment have a good taste of life by correcting your sins or mistakes and start eating all that was allergic or disagreeable to you hitherto and stay away from illnesses or discomfort and uneasiness about the abdomen.
drfazl
Peace drfazl - my brother,
You mean that everything is from God and not our own cleverness.
God bless you
Quote from: drfazl on June 16, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
6:121 And do not taste of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, but instead your name is mentioned for indeed, it is grave disobedience.
drfazl
Peace drfazl,
Your translation appears to be lacking in accuracy or a misrepresentation of ayat 6/121.
Wala ta/kuloo mimma lam yuthkari ismu Allahi AAalayhi wa-innahu
lafisqun wa-inna alshshayateena layoohoona ila awliya-ihim
liyujadilookum wa-in ataAAtumoohum innakum lamushrikoona
[6:121] Do not eat from that upon which the name of GOD has not been mentioned,
for it is an abomination. The devils inspire their allies to argue with you; if you obey
them, you will be idol worshipers.
Pickthall: And eat not of that whereon Allah's name hath not been mentioned, for lo!
it is abomination. Lo! the devils do inspire their minions to dispute with you. But if ye
obey them, ye will be in truth idolaters.
God Bless
O0
Peace
hawk99
You are right. But what I have written there is not translation but solution and practical application to the verse 6:121
fazl
Peace,
Because some people feel proud and that they have worked and got the food on the table due to the own cleverness.
I suppose this is what brother Rahman wants to convey.
This is why I always distinctly praise God at every meal and I make sure God feels I know He is my provider. If we confess that everything good is from God He will surely reward us for our Faith in Him.
I thank Him for as much as I can, even when I have done something skilful. I put my trust in Him and all blessings are due to that, so why not be appreciative?
God bless you
Peace Man of Faith,
You're right, it's important to remember Allah as it says in the Quran and an important aspect of that is thankfulness to Allah. It really is central to Faith. When we look at the world around us, we ourselves do very little in it. What I mean by that is: all the of the natural processes that we depend upon are created and sustained for us. We do create some things but as it mentions in the Quran, our ability to do this has ultimately come from Allah. Of course, we can always give ourselves a 'pat on the back' or that we've done a good thing or skilful thing, but we know that our knowledge, guidance, ability, nourishment to keep going all comes from our Sustainer and Cherisher. I think people are the way you mentioned because they can't literally 'see' everything that relates to how they really got to where they are. It's odd because many things in the world around us that we learn about or find out more about to understand natural processes or how to harness resources, are also unseen at first - but they are part of that unseen knowledge that we can gain more understanding of in this life. Sometimes we can even 'see' it eventually through discovery or technology. Of course, not everything Unseen will be 'accessible' in the same way.
When our prayers are heard or answered?
Allah sees us intently as He tests us just to the point of losing all hopes in the worldly life. Or, in other words, Allah brings us up to that state where we are purified of this worldly affairs. Allah causes here a situation for us, as the believers to see for ourselves that there are no helpers around; nor protectors surround anymore; and that we are left all alone. He makes us feel and see our only hope is Allah. Allah all along, makes us travel gradually from our feeling of well protected position to desolate condition slowly strengthening at the same time our belief in Him. This is when we for the first time honestly put our trust in Him. Everything happens as coincidence at this juncture of purification - the worldly life is removed for us; we are elevated by Allah as faith from Him is infused in to our RUH and as our trust is accepted. It is like as the whole event was taking shape over a period, as he causes us to die; and raises us back again.
The more we find our faith in Him is not let down, it is Him who is near to us giving helping hand despite the world has let us down. If we are wakeful to this truthful state, when what seems as a crisis from our outlook, - this is remembering Him and allah accepts such remembrance as giving thanks to Him and Allah is much pleased with us. Allah guides who He pleases; expands livelihood to who He pleases; empower with kingdom upon who He pleases depending upon one's state of wakefulness.
Those who are weak in remembering Allah causes them a death like state, before waking them up to a changed favourable state of affairs. Definitely they were a people fearing their end before causing them to that brief period or momentary state of death. The perfect example to this could be the hair-thin escape from an accident, where you were made to die and then brought back to life after you are put into safety. Allah asks you to die at your supposed death after which He delivers you and brings you back to your still safe and bright life; and you see you are safe; at that moment all of us profusely thank Allah but the next moment we forget Him and start praising our clever driving and our presence of mind, without understanding it is our absence of mind and death caused by Allah that saved life for Him. If we want Allah's forgiveness let us stay dead without straying and stand steadfast in Allah's way, in the Name of the Most Trustworthy, putting our trust in Him.
2:243. Did you not think of those who went forth from their homes in thousands, fearing death? Allah said to them, "Die". And then He restored them to life. Truly, Allah is full of Bounty to mankind, but most men thank not.
6:60. It is Allah, Who takes your life by night, and has knowledge of all that you have done by day, then he wakes you up again that your life period be fulfilled, then in the end unto Him will be your return. Then He will inform you what you used to do.
O believers, believe in Allah and pray to Him to save you from despair during test and to strengthen your Iman and thankfulness to Him. And now see what Allah says:
4:147. What does Allah gain by putting you to test if you are a believing and thankful people? Surely Allah is Appreciative, Knowing.
2:244. And fight despair in the Name of Allah and know that Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
Salam,
fazlur rahman
Quote from: drfazl on May 13, 2013, 07:00:46 AM
O People of The Book
19 : 1
Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad
Kaf - KAF - SUFFICIENT Is He
Ha - HUDHA - To put you in the STRAIGHT PATH
Ya - YAMEEN - FLOURISHING in
Ain - ILM - The WISDOM and in
Saad - SADAQ - The TRUTH.
O People Of The Book!
19 : 1 SUFFICIENT is HE to put you in the STRAIGHT PATH, FLOURISHING in the WISDOM and in the TRUTH.
God Bless You. There is unlimited words to Priase Allah.
Prayer - Preyer.
2:255 Allah - there is none to seek from except Him. He is the Creator of Life, the Sustainer of Creation.
The word "Allah" means the Creator and the Sustainer of the Creation of the Universes and all its varied habitations and each of their innumerable beings. The word Allah denotes all His beautiful attributes as an ever-growing seed embedded in His RUH, that which is endowed upon man at conception, as 'The Stamp of Honor and Dignity'. Any one who preserves and guards this 'Stamp of Honor' in his entire life is the one who shall possess the able power over the universes whose all wisdom confluence to teach and inspire the man with and elevate him above them and submit to him, to have his say upon it, by the leave of Allah.
When we call upon Allah, it means, we call upon for the strengthening of Every Single Attribute of Almighty, as reward from the Almighty, the Well Aware - that governs the universes. All through our living we turn to Him in repentance, seeking mercy and forgiveness. Allah says: "I have given you all that you ask for your grace on this earth in plentiful; spend out of what I have given you - and you shall see whatever you are spending out of my Grace, you would see them increase in their quality and strength."
Spend each day in seeking Mercy and Forgiveness from Allah; and before that you have to purify yourself of your pride; towards this end, we shall practice spending each day prayerfully seeking i.e., executing His Mercy and Forgiveness upon the near and dear ones, the orphans, the poor and upon those who are patiently struggling in the path of Allah i.e., first increase the strength of Allah's qualities in your RUH, and keep purifying your heart of pride, with the Attributes of Allah. This is ablution. The more you practice ablution, the nearer is His Attributes to you; and Allah would make you remember Him more, and practice His Attributes more and more as you spend your time and life in this world with ease. Your life is elevated to enter with Dignity, through the seven heavens above you with the 'Stamp of Honor', before you reach the promised eternal passage through paradise with the greeting of Salam from the God and the angels of the Lord of the Universes, Allah. Here your praise will be thus: All Glory Be To Allah, The God Of The Universes."
Be prayerful with such words, All Glory Be To Allah, The God Of The Universes." while you are in all time ablution, or else we become a preyer and prey upon the muddy things; or become a muddy prey to the preyer.
Salam
brother fazl
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605427.msg330744#msg330744
Peace brothers
Wrkmmn
Hawk99
How to seek the blessings of Allah, the Most High!
Thousands of patients are freed from such beliefs in medicines, drugs and doctors for the past 14 years, because of their intent listening to the consistent teaching of the straight path of Allah and from the Quran made them believers in One Allah and the Only way to better life by the day.
My prayer:
O The Teacher, teach us Your Way
O The Enlightener, give us of Your Wisdom
O The Guide, take us away from the path of evil
O The Forgiver, save us all our future
O The One and Only elevate us from any sort of association to You i.e, to Your Attributes.
To our every need there is God's Name as His Beautiful Attribute by which alone we shall call upon Him and there after associate None to such of His Attributes. These Attributes are Godly. Now apply the words of our Oath of Promise we made to Allah. "There is no God but Allah".
For example, we have sinned, we stand witness to our Oath to Allah and remember thus in the heart: There is no Forgiver(God) but You, O Allah. If we have cannot eat food then remember: There is no Feeder(God) but You, O Allah. If you are suffering: There is no Comforter(God) but You O Allah. When you are afflicted with diseases: There is no Curer(God) but You O Allah. When you are vexed with your life: There is no Bringer of Life(God) but You O Allah. When you are confused turn to Him and say: There is none who is Wise(God) but You O Allah. When you or your kids suffer lack of nutrition due to poverty or diseases: There is no Provider(God) but you O Allah.
Like wise, remember God's Attributes in all your needs and resist from equating, or associating, or substituting any person or thing that He as created. You shall not equate anything to any of every one of His Names i.e., you will not associate a thing to any of the 99 Attributes which if we do we pray the One Allah. Guarding against such associations is the real all time prayerfulness; this is being thankful to Him; this is fearing Allah for most time we commit shirk; and so keep seeking Forgiveness and deliverance from Him in every breath of your life. This is prayer.
All my patients are well aware of this and they fear Allah and they are seeking forgiveness all time with a sense fear for Him, for they all know not a single day passes for them without committing association. This fear of His bondsmen pleases Allah and they are free from the existing illnesses and from future afflictions. God has been so kind to these people,Hindu, Muslim, Christians who have taken to His path in this Way. They all have abandoned their churches, temples and mosques by making their soulful precinct as their only worshiping Holy place, as they enshrine their wish as Will from their Lord descend in their hearts.
And I seek forgiveness for such of them and there is the Sign of Allah for them to embark on the pilgrimage for their entire life to come. When I seek forgiveness for them, my prayer for me is: O Allah, the God of the Universes, show me the Signs of Your Healing to me and my brethren Hindu, Muslim, Christians so that we are taught directly by You, the IMAN! Perchance we become Mumins, the Believers! And Allah amply answers my prayers to strengthen me in my Iman as I see every patient getting relieved of their distress in no time, then and there. Allah has been so dear and near to me.
57:29. So that the followers of the Quran, might not be of the view that they do not gain anything of the grace of Allah. And that grace is in Allah's hand, He gives it to whom He pleases; and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.
I do not know what you call this: Intercession? No? Anything else? But something more than that to make them tread the Straight Path of Allah: There is no Well-Aware(God) but You O Allah. If Allah is pleased with what I do in His cause, let Him reward. And I see His reward with every patient that come to me as only a Sign from Allah. Once they feel better, if they too see the Sign of Allah, they are sure to get cured of the diseases themselves by Allah direct; there is no question of their turning to me all the time, which means I show them myself another grave way of shirk or association
Therefore, Allah is much pleased with us if we call Him by any of His Attributes instead of calling Allah which is inclusive of All His Attibutes which are innumerable. Call Him not for what you do not need. When you call by Name Allah, it means you need the entire body of universal powers the units of each of which praises His Attributes waiting for God's leave to favour you or to punish you for your grave sins of association.
7:180. And Allah's are the Best Attributes, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His Attributes; they shall be recompensed for what they did.
Salam
drfazl
No Burden At All!
2:286. 1. Allah does not cause burden upon any soul beyond its tolerance; 2. his good is what his soul has earned; 3. and his evil is what his soul has earned: 4. Our Lord! May there be not a blame on us if we forget or had done a wrong; 5. Our Lord! do not lay on us a burden as You did lay on those before us. 6. Our God! Do not put a burden upon us that we cannot bear; 7. and relent and turn to us; 8. and have mercy on us; 9. You are our Protector; 10. deliver us from the people, unbelieving.
1. Allah does not cause burden upon any soul beyond its tolerance
This ayat is the message from Allah, to the Soul of a worried person saying: "I am warning;
you are on the evil path; change your mind in my direction. Think of anything good and turn to
me for it' putting your trust in Me alone; thereafter do not opt your ways since your mind is in
evil path, right now. Your sadness in your mind is a clear sign to it."
But what he does with his mind is to go imagining to the extreme evil situation by being close
to shaitan, follows his narration of events supposed to befall him; and he by himself, on his own
accord, increases his burden in his heart, as he believes so firmly in the whispering a of shaitan.
And he fails to heed to Allah's words Who keeps warning him to take his soul in the opposite
direction to where he is being led by shaitan. Instead of following Allah, he followed shaitan. Allah
has left him to his companion who would surely pave the way and lead him to the destination:
worry.
Yes, Allah had not caused burden upon any soul beyond its tolerance. Allah gives one warning
before he crosses his limits of tolerance even as his mind is about to cross his borders. We keep
in mind of This Truth, 'whatever we believe in our mind as destination, our road will be opened up towards it for sure: good for good; and evil for evil.
2. His good is what his soul has earned. 3. And, his evil is what his soul has earned
4. O God!! May there be not a blame on us if we forget or had done a wrong even.
Allah is Relenting and Oft-Returning to him who believes in His Mercy. With this understanding
our burdens in our souls will be removed; and the evil situation in the making will be thrashed.
And our path to victory winning over the evil burdens will be accomplished, all through our lives
on this earth.
5. Our God! do not lay on us a burden as You did lay on those before us.
This prayer is after we had started earning the evil and continuing earning it, we can still return
To Him with no hesitation and say in your mind the above prayerful words without doubting His
Kindness and Mercy. 6. Our God! Do not put a burden upon us that we cannot bear; 7. and
relent and turn to us; 8. and have mercy on us; 9. You are our Protector; 10. deliver us from
the people, unbelieving.
The unbelieving people are around us, abound. They are close companions of shaitan who would
say similar words as shaitan's that are being whispered in our souls. So beware of shaitans among
the jinns and the men.
fazl
6:44 So when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We opened to them the doors of every good thing until, when they rejoiced in that which they were given, We seized them suddenly, and they were then in despair.
We are reminded of the presence of God on so many occasions all through our lives, day in and day out every time we taste good, from the clutches of evil that we incurred from our own hands all through our lives. But for our call on God, when we were at the evil-end, we would have never tasted any good in our entire lives. Yet, we forget at the same instance we receive God's Mercy when we called on Him as we suffer beyond our tolerance from the evil of our own earnings. Calling on God is momentary remembrance of seeking God's help at the crucial moments of our tolerance, mentally. This is prayer. Remembering God, while experiencing excruciating mental agony. To this God's response is immediate deliverance out of the mental capsize, giving peace to the mind in the first place which force in the mind thereafter turn most evil physical eventualities around in our favour or make the evil gathering dissipate.
Mostly people are unmindful of this because of their hearts, filled with pride. Each time they thanklessly ignore such Signs of God in their lives before which they actually prayed momentarily that which brought forth instant response from their God, they do not understand all those moments are still live, though they feel secure from them at the moment.
The momentary, snap-shot prayer in the mind is the real prayer, for it has such intensity and purity because, at those moments we remembered only Allah thinking of none else for the Help. Such moments are our day to day affairs and at the same time, we are constantly being delivered out of every momentary mental worry, despondency, fear. Allah constantly shows His signs to every one within them and out side of them and in their vicinity for a definite period so that at any single moment in their entire life they could get this glimpse of His Light.
Nevertheless unless Allah guides one's mind towards Him, there is no chance anyone should remember His grace and be ever thankful. The time passes slowly or of a sudden; and all or parts of all events from which they were saved earlier were given new emergence to engulf the mind. The patient begins to suffer unexplained fear and insomnia for which he could never retrieve a reason in his mind all those instances of the past for which should he seek forgiveness from. However, in their minds, their wealth and people around and their doctors were the incomparable solace to their hearts. They could remember there is some God; but that would not do. They should have reminiscence of God to show thanks to Him; but all such memories are erased from their minds because of their having close to heart all associations near and around.
With their minds closed to Allah's remembrance, they, seem to be most confortable and luxurious only to the out side of their peace-shattered mind. Now it is time for the world to witness Allah's wroth upon them, as just recompense to each one's thankless associations to God, all the evil events of each one's life, accumulatively gather momentum against every gene and atom and the cell of the body affecting every organ and all their systems.
At this, they cannot remember Allah leave alone believing in Him. They would go to their doctors to get admitted to their hospitals in total despair and die in their hands.
fazlur rahman
Peace drfazl,
I admire that you can just write and write from an seeminly endless depository. I cannot come up with new material for my own thread that fast, and when I do it takes several hours.
God bless you
Quote from: Man of Faith on July 15, 2013, 02:22:10 AM
Peace drfazl,
I admire that you can just write and write from an seeminly endless depository. I cannot come up with new material for my own thread that fast, and when I do it takes several hours.
God bless you
Peace Man of Faith
62 : 4
That is Allah's grace; He grants it to whom He pleases, and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.Regards
BalaChandran
Peace,
Well, I hope the information in my thread to be useful despite my slowness. But I am the thinking type, I can think for a long time before I come up with something.
God bless you
Peace brother,
Man of Faith
32:9 Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His qualities, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.
By your usage of your eyes, ears and heart you had kept alive your discerning quality. The reward for this is easy guidance through turbulent periods of one's life. Whether your write ups are benefiting others or not, it would be of utmost benefit to you. While writing bear in mind you are giving a new leaf from your life for those who have ears, eyes and heart. Such hearts will be set in motion as they read through the pages. If one person's heart is moved in the direction of righteousness, it is as if you have given life to entire mankind.
It is only towards this reason I am writing, and Allah helps a great deal in this. You will have criticism from all around. Care two hoots for them. For you are writing to please Allah. If you want you can give explanation to your critics but that is not mandatory. Instead of wasting time with them, turn to your heart for solace; there Allah is waiting with a new enlightenment for you. Quit the critics and ignore the ignorants.
"but Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief, so they do not believe but a little."
Be always easy, patient and slow; that is road to perfection.
May Allah guide you more and more.
Brother
fazl
Quote from: Man of Faith on July 15, 2013, 09:27:24 PM
Peace,
Well, I hope the information in my thread to be useful despite my slowness. But I am the thinking type, I can think for a long time before I come up with something.
God bless you
Peace Man of Faith
42:26
And He listens to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, and gives them increase of His Bounty ...
17:20
Of the bounties of thy Lord We bestow freely on all- These as well as those: The bounties of thy Lord are not confined to anyone.
12:87
And never give up hope of Allah's Soothing Mercy: truly no one despairs of Allah's Soothing Mercy, except those who have no faith."
Quote from: drfazl on July 15, 2013, 10:40:21 PM
Peace brother,
Man of Faith
32:9 Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His qualities, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.
By your usage of your eyes, ears and heart you had kept alive your discerning quality. The reward for this is easy guidance through turbulent periods of one's life. Whether your write ups are benefiting others or not, it would be of utmost benefit to you. While writing bear in mind you are giving a new leaf from your life for those who have ears, eyes and heart. Such hearts will be set in motion as they read through the pages. If one person's heart is moved in the direction of righteousness, it is as if you have given life to entire mankind.
Brother
fazl
5:32
... and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. ..,
Regards
BalaChandran
3:97. In it are Signs Manifest; the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.Haj
3:97
In it are the clear signs; the stance and steadfastness of Ibrahim; whoever enters it attains security. Wilful allegiance thereto is the duty men owe to Allah to their able ness; but if any denies it, Allah is needless of the universal beings.
The stance of Ibrahim: 2:130. And who turns away from the stance of Ibrahim but such as debasing their souls to injustice? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
Pilgrimage is the journey of entire life of man with wilful allegiance and wishful adherence to the stance of Ibrahim before setting out of his house for day to day living. Let him keep his vigil all the time not to associate anyone or anything to Allah; and obeying not the injustice and the wrong doers, to a great extent possible. In this manner when you return home, then whatever Allah had provided you is worth a life fortune. This way we shall pursue our pilgrimage until death seizes us.
dr fazl
O God, Ameen. I accept.
Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad.
O God! You are Sufficient to make me live in Ibrahim's path.
O the Care-taker! I hand over the entire responsibility to You.
O the Wise! Wishing to be in your Guidance forever,
Gita
For Every Lie On Prophet, We Are To Suffer Severe Punishment Here And After
What do Allah, and His prophets and messengers promise? And what the ulema, or the priesthood teach the 'Muslims'? Here are certain samples how treacherous and deceitful the priesthood and the people are against the Prophets and messengers.
Prophet: Believe in Allah alone for all your needs;
Priesthood: Believe in men and materials too.
Prophet: Follow Allah; and follow me-
Priesthood: Ritually worship Allah; and mimic imagery prophet.
Prophet: Call on Allah and seek His Help for any of your needs; however small or big- believe in Him alone
People: We are to help each other; and to believe in each others' expertise. Then call on Allah only after an emergency situation has passed off.
Prophet: When death arrives, there is none to beat it
People: Go to doctors and live longer
Prophet Ayub: It is shaitan who causes, aggravates and sufferings from affliction; seek Allah's forgiveness and grace.
People: You have to go to doctors and get diseases cured.
Prophet Yunus: 10:107. If Allah seizes you with an adversity, none but He can remove it.
People: You have to seek means and put in your effort to remove it.
Prophet Ibrahim: when I am unwell or ill-fated it is Allah who delivers me.
People. : Allah says, "Go to Medicare!"
Prophet Musa. : Allah brings life from the dead; and the death from life. The sign Musa brought with him is the staff which when he threw it becomes living serpent; and when he holds it turns back to dead wooden staff.
People : They allegorise using their knowledge, The Sign to their own acceptable levels of interpretation. They refuse to accept what is beyond their ability. They strongly debate the sign of Allah.
The Prophets. : Do not call those who died in the path of Allah as dead; they are alive. All the prophets and the messengers are alive till the end of the world. And they are with you.
The priesthood and the people : They are bygones.
The above are but a few examples from Quran that people say, 'they believe in Allah, the Lasting Day and the Prophets' while they do not. They are treacherous to their own prophets. They think the prophets and the messengers were dead when they are alive. The disinformation they spread in the name of every prophet is well recorded in their souls. They would bring with them their treachery on the Day of Execution of judgement.
3:161.
And it does not befit a believer to lie on any prophet; and he who lied shall bring that on the day of resurrection; then shall every soul be paid back fully what it has earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on July 22, 2013, 06:49:43 AM
For Every Lie On Prophet, We Are To Suffer Severe Punishment Here And After
3:161. And it does not befit a believer to lie on any prophet; and he who lied shall bring that on the day of resurrection; then shall every soul be paid back fully what it has earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2013, 03:16:19 AM
3:97. .. but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.
O God! Most Forgiving, Endlessly Merciful.
Forgive us of all associations to you and other sins.
Don?t make us to be among rejectors and disbelievers of your Promise.
Help us to believe in your Truth.
Save us from misery, poverty and diseases.
Make my life a wish-filled journey, humble to your commands, according to your will,
reaching the destination = YOU.
Gita
Kill Not Prophets
The most arrogant, wealthy and cruel are the ones who reject the ayats of Allah. They reject "The Guidance" to their future; they are so sure their future is at their command; they stand mighty before their people and make themselves free of needs; they make their people feel they are gods; they are so impressively self-obsessed with their present strength and atmosphere that their whole future is well encompassed into their domain of arrogance. The perfect examples being the present day political leaders all over the world.
Allah is watching them as a whole nation and their people very intently. He loves those whose hearts have not fallen to their oppression yet, but seeking God's protection and help, because of their faith in the ayats of Allah. Those whose hearts are at ease by Allah's grace, untouched by the evil tentacles of the oppressive regimes, and whose hearts are blessed with peace, for them their God and their only King, is only Allah. The ayat says: "They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance. If a harm has touched you, be sure a similar harm has touched them too. Such periods We give to men and men by turns: that Allah may know those that believe, and that He may choose to Himself from your ranks, the witnesses to Truth. So lose not heart, nor fall into despair: For you shall gain mastery if you are true in Faith. And that Allah may purify the believers; and destroy the disbelievers."
Kingdoms for the believers:
And the believers, let them believe in this ayat and stand steadfast: "Allah has promised those among you who believe, and have righteousness and good deeds with them, that He will certainly grant them succession to throne in the earth, as He granted it to those before them, and that He will grant them the authority to practise righteousness, that which He has chosen for them. And He will surely give them in exchange a safe security after their fear; worship Me and do not associate anything with Me. But whoever disbelieved after this, they are the disobedient to Allah."
Those who do not observe the ayats of Allah, they become disobedient to Him and so they are left astray. They fall to the evil rulers and live tasting the evils for the rest of their lives, individually and socially and as a whole nation. This is because they claim to be believers while they are associating Kings obeying and abiding by them, to the Only King of the worlds. They had not sought the help of their Lord for His rule; nor had they been fearing Allah all through their lives while they lived for generations under the evil oppressors until such time has come to pass, the rulers begin treating their people as no more humans but foolish creatures. Here Allah's wrath descends upon the people en masse.
"Thus did he make fools of his people, and they obeyed him: truly were they a people rebellious against the guidance of Allah." "And abasement and humiliation were brought down upon them, and they became deserving of Allah's wrath; this was so because
they disbelieved in the ayats of Allah and killed the prophets unjustly; this was so because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits."
Most Muslims believe not or even consider not that all their prophets are alive and are with them watching their works against their admonitions. Every word of each ayat of Quran is the word of the prophets and the messengers from the time of creation of the worlds, communicated by the leave of Allah. Each time they exchange among them such words of allegiance to their God, treacherously, they keep killing the prophets alive.
No prophet has ever been killed, viewing an ayat under such guidance of Allah. 9:105. "And say: Do your deeds; so
Allah and His Prophet and the believers are witnesses over what you do; and you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did."
3:161. "And
it does not befit a believer to lie on any prophet; and he who lied shall bring that on the day of resurrection; then shall every soul be paid back fully what it has earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly."
Peace
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2013, 03:16:19 AM
3:97. In it are Signs Manifest; the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.
Haj
3:97
In it are the clear signs; the stance and steadfastness of Ibrahim; whoever enters it attains security. Wilful allegiance thereto is the duty men owe to Allah to their able ness; but if any denies it, Allah is needless of the universal beings.
The stance of Ibrahim: 2:130. And who turns away from the stance of Ibrahim but such as debasing their souls to injustice? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
Pilgrimage is the journey of entire life of man with wilful allegiance and wishful adherence to the stance of Ibrahim before setting out of his house for day to day living. Let him keep his vigil all the time not to associate anyone or anything to Allah; and obeying not the injustice and the wrong doers, to a great extent possible. In this manner when you return home, then whatever Allah had provided you is worth a life fortune. This way we shall pursue our pilgrimage until death seizes us.
dr fazl
My wish is to live in Ibrahim?s path.
16:120 - 123
Surely Ibrahim was an exemplar, obedient to Allah, upright, and he was not of those who associate others with Allah.
Grateful for His favors; He chose him and guided him on the right path.
And We gave him good in this world, and in the next he will most surely be among the righteous.
Then We revealed to you: Follow the path of Ibrahim, the upright one, and he was not of those who associate with Allah.
Ibrahim believed only the Creator and not what He created (Men and Material). God as a Creator - Anew, on one side and all His creations on the other side. Which side we would side?
My wish is I should believe God only. But actually in my present life I am depending only on men, materials (property and savings).
12:106
And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others with Him.
My wish is I should fear God. When I observe myself, it is clear that I fear people than God. Eg., whatever I do or avoid, is only out of fear of others. so, i'm neither believing in Allah, nor fear Him. It means what I am wishing is different from what i am doing.
51:8
Indeed, you are in differing speech.
God knows what we think and speak, our activities and perceptions in our heart. So, we should believe and fear only Him.
50-16
And certainly We created man, and We know what his mind suggests to him, and We are nearer to him than his life-vein.
19-80
To Us shall return all that he talks of and he shall appear before Us bare and alone.
10-61
Whatever you may be doing, and whatever portion you may be reciting from the Quran, and whatever deed you may be doing , We are Witness thereof, when you are doing it. And nothing is hidden from your God, the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heaven. And not the least and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record.
40-19
He knows the fraud of the eyes, and all that the hearts conceal.
I am accountable to God.
67:12 - 15
Indeed, those who fear their God inwardly also, will have forgiveness and great reward.
And conceal your word or manifest it; surely He is Cognizant of what is in the hearts.
Does He not know, Who created? And He is the Knower of the subtleties, the Aware.
He it is Who made the earth smooth for you, therefore go about in the spacious sides thereof, and enjoy His sustenance, and to Him is the return after death.
My wish, my prayer: the direction of my life, in my lifetime, I should believe in Him, depend on Him, fear Him and be in His remembrance constantly. I have this gifted life only to turn towards Him.
Only the Creator is Immortal, rest of all that He created is mortal. If I want eternal life in Paradise I should side with the Immortal.
As a result of this wish, God is evolving me.
8:29
O believers! if you fear Allah, He will grant you discerning ability to tread in straight path and do away with your evils and forgive you; and Allah is the God of mighty grace.
26:78 - 85
He created me, then He has shown me the straight path;
It is He who gives me food and drink;
"And when i am ill, it is He who cures me;
And He who will cause me to die, then give me life;
"And who, I hope, will forgive me my sins on the Day of Judgment;
"O my Lord! bestow wisdom on me, and join me with the righteous;
And ordain for me a goodly mention among posterity;
And make me of the heirs of the garden of bliss.
59:10
And those who came after them, say, "Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts resentment toward those who have believed. Our Lord, indeed You are Kind and Merciful.
6:161
Say, "Surely, my Lord has guided me to a straight path ? very resolute way of life. Ibrahim?s Truthful Way Of Life; And he was not one among those who associate."
Peace
Peace seeker
Peace
May Allah Bless us all. Sure, we are followers of Nuh, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishaq, Yakub, Hud, Salih, Shuaib, Yusuf, Musa, Harun, Esa, Muhammad, Zulkarnain, Ilyas, and All Allah had mentioned in Quran. And we shall not distinguish and differentiate among any of them lest we become transgressors.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on July 25, 2013, 10:10:58 PM
Peace seeker
Peace
May Allah Bless us all. Sure, we are followers of Nuh, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Ishaq, Yakub, Hud, Salih, Shuaib, Yusuf, Musa, Harun, Esa, Muhammad, Zulkarnain, Ilyas, and All Allah had mentioned in Quran. And we shall not distinguish and differentiate among any of them lest we become transgressors.
drfazl
Peace drfazl
I accept wholeheartedly
Start living with this Basic Manual
4:1. 1. O people! Fear your God. 2. It is He who created you from One Soul, His RUH. 3. And of it He created its Signs. 4. With these two He made men and women spread; 5. so fear Allah, by Whom you enquire one another; 6. and be guarded against your relations; 7. surely Allah ever watches over you.
4.1.1. O people of men and women! Be well-guarding Allah's RUH, which He breathes into your soul, His Will with His Command 'Be!' as His blessing for your entire life. This causes the need in the soul of our self as Glad tidings which becomes our dearest wish.
4.1.2. With His RUH, every breath is created for each of you, anew, from birth to death. And with this Will of Allah everything from heavens to earth take positions over each of you to create and deliver the blessings of Allah for your life in this worldly life. There is no equivalent you can find on the earth and in the skies, or imagine even that the heavens and the earth are to create by Allah's leave, for you, by them coming together.
4.1.3. The manifest Signs that are made subservient to you of what Allah has breathed into your RUH, are the pairs one supporting the other in Truth.
4.1.4. With the Will in the RUH and its manifest Signs as support to believe in Allah alone, Allah made men and women spread out from being dependent on each other.
4.1.5. Hence both be obedient to Allah while enquiring of each other; and keep exchanging and strengthening the need for faith and patience. Do not opt or desire for worldly things that are not the Signs of Allah's Will in your RUH. Patience and perseverance leads you to this straight path of Allah.
4.1.6. While you are in the straight path of Allah, your bitterest enemy blocking your Way forcing you to follow the ways of the people shall be your near relations. For example, when you are down with illness they will never allow you to be patient for Allah's sake but force you to believe in doctors and take you to hospital; beware of such near and dear relations.
4.1.7. Surely Allah's promise is true. Heavens and the earth and everything in between guard you by His leave as long as you shall not commit the sin of association to Allah and so guard against your dear and near ones. Allah ever watches over you.
Peace
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on July 31, 2013, 12:47:23 AM
4.1.3. The manifest Signs that are made subservient to you of what Allah has breathed into your RUH, are the pairs one supporting the other in Truth.
4.1.4. With the Will in the RUH and its manifest Signs as support to believe in Allah alone, Allah made men and women spread out from being dependent on each other.
Peace
drfazl
Peace drfazl
Could you please elaborate..,
Start living with this basic manual
Peace
newmoon
4:1. 1. O people! Fear your God. 2. It is He who created you from the
Same Soul, His RUH.
3. And of it He created its Signs. 4. With these two He made men and women spread; 5. so fear Allah, by Whom you enquire one another; 6. and be guarded against your relations; 7. surely Allah ever watches over you.
Allah had created all human beings from the
same soul in which is His RUH. There is no human being who does not possess this Criterion. RUH is the receiver of God's Will of glad tidings and of admonitions when sent down upon an individual. All such good news and warnings are received as an abstract feel; this is 'wahi' or inspiration from Allah. From this inspiration or 'wahi' of abstract nature, Allah brings its visible manifestation
as its pair and a Sign to those who believe that Wahi is the Truth and its pair, the manifestation are the inseparable one single entity.
The Wahi inspired into our RUH, however minuscule or grand, it is total culmination of every particle and element of the universe in its entirety in various proportions and in strategic combinations. The moment a Wahi is inspired into a believer,
the entire universe comes by us in servitude by the Command of Allah.
Those believers who ponders and reflects on the inspired Wahi, they get at the clear revelation much before they see the visible manifestation or creation as perfect Sign. Thus Allah creates manifest Signs as true formation of the abstract Wahi, blessed in each one's heart according to grade and degree of his comprehending ability.
The believers who gain the clarity of what is inspired into hos RUH, by revelation through wisdom are high in degree than those who could only believe when the Signs are created and manifestly shown before their very eyes.
Allah created man from the
same soul in which His RUH rests to receive His command as Wahi. And from it Allah creates a matching pair, the manifestation of the Wahi for their blessed living. To make manifest such grand blessings, the universal powers bow down to man in obedience by the command of Allah, and become subservient to man. All this, only for the believers who abide by Wahi and to those who thereafter would not associate the material knowledge of man.
fazlur rahman.
Peace drfazl
Thanks for your clairvoyant reply and it reminds me of:
2:106
Whatever communications We change or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
93:4
And verily the latter portion will be better than the former
1:1
All Praise to Allah, Lord of Worlds
1:2
Most Gracious, Exceptionally Merciful
BalaChandran
After the parents, the near relatives are the guardians who shall shoulder the responsibility for the hapless family
The bereaved family shall never be left as orphans
4:9 And let those fear as if they had left weak offspring as orphans behind and feared for them. So let them fear Allah and speak words of appropriate justice.
The day shall come to everyone when they would be saddened and fear injustice to their weak offsprings and to his helpless family by the people around that they would be left as orphans. Let the believers fear this and obey Allah now. Follow the dictum below:
4:7 From what is left by parents and those nearest related there
is a share of responsibility for men and a share of responsibility for women, whether their share be small or large,-a determinate share.
From what is left by parents and their nearest related: They leave behind them their weak family without the guardians, and the members of it are of a sudden, become like orphans. All the near and dear relations shall come to their rescue immediately and stay put to help them as guardians; and take up the responsibilities of what the deceased parents had left behind, and complete his responsibilities until the family becomes stable. It is piety, that all relations shall come together to relieve the burden of all loans and debts if any, and bring salam to the bereaved family of their worst fears of strangers invading their peace, as their first duty.
4:11 Allah enjoins you concerning the kith and kin: The male shall have the
equal of the responsibilities of two females. Your parents and your children: You know not, which of them is nearer to you in justice.
To the contrary what is being practised is looting away by the near relations, the properties of the deceased and deprive everything, however little is left behind. Thus the muslim families are left in the llurch as orphans.
4:10 Indeed, those who devour the property of orphans unjustly are only consuming into their bellies fire. And they will be burned in a Blaze.
4:1 Guard against your relations and fear God.
fazlur rahman
Quote from: drfazl on August 01, 2013, 09:04:29 PM
4:11 Allah enjoins you concerning the kith and kin: The male shall have the equal of the responsibilities of two females. Your parents and your children: You know not, which of them is nearer to you in justice.
Peace -- why not complete verse, use context, cross-reference with 4:12 and 4:176 see if responsibilities in fractions make sense?
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours للذكر to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن the two (f. dual) فان so if كن are نساء women فوق above اثنتىن two (f. dual) فلهن so for them (f/p) ثلثا third dual (2/3) ما what ترك left وان and if كانت she is واحده one (f/s) فلها so for her النصف the half ولابوىه and to parents his/deceased لكل to each واحد one منهما of them both السدس the sixth مما from what ترك left ان if كان he is (m/s) له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if ?he is? to person male child born i.e. a son) فان so if لم not ىكن was له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وورثه and heirs ابواه parents his/deceased (if only parents are heirs) فلامه so to mother his/deceased? الثلث the third فان so if كان he is (m/s) له for him/deceased اخوه sibling (if to person was a male sibling i.e. a brother) فلامه so to mother his/deceased? السدس the sixth من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى have made بها in it او or دىن judgment اباوكم fathers yours وابناوكم and children yours لا not تدرون thou knowing اىهم which of them اقرب closer لكم to you نفعا benefit of فرىضه obligation من from الله the god ان surely الله the god كان he is (m/s) علىما knowledge of حكىما wisdom of
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 02, 2013, 02:00:18 AM
Peace -- why not complete verse, use context, cross-reference with 4:12 and 4:176 see if responsibilities in fractions make sense?
Peace,
Why not? If the deceased person was earning an income of 18,000 a month, all the relatives shall come together to give that amount to the hapless family according to their
minimum decreed share. Male will bear twice the share of what a female shall bear as her responsibility. 4:12, 176 does not contradict 4:11 if you could apply.
I have contextually applied the ayat to the ayats 4:7, 9, 10 and with reference to various ayats regarding the orphans too.
But you have given only a literal translation. Say how you
apply the verse in context of the whole of Quran with reference to justice to orphaned ones. Do you see any sense in the fractions in division of and breaking away with the properties? Further, who shall act as the guardian as an additional responsibility from among the nearest of kith and kin?
You need referencing and cross-referencing? For this the perfect example being, when Maryam was made an orphan, Prophet Zakariah took the entire responsibility to rear her as per the decision arrived among the relatives.
"This account of something that was beyond the reach of your perception We reveal unto you: for you were not with them when they weighed options
as to which of them should be Mary's guardian, and you were not with them when they contended about it with one another." 3:44
"And thereupon her Sustainer accepted the girl-child with goodly acceptance, and caused her to grow up in goodly growth,
and placed her in the responsibility of Zachariah." 3:37
Unless you follow Allah and follow the prophet, in this context you will find tje perfect exemplar only in prophet Zachariah; and you shall see no guidance, no example in prophet Muhammad with regard to 4:11, 12, and 176 if you search apart from the prophet Zachariah, in Quran. Follow Allah and follow Zachariah if you want to resolve 4:1, 11, 7, 9, 10, 12 and 176.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 02, 2013, 03:10:47 AM
Why not? If the deceased person was earning an income of 18,000 a month, all the relatives shall come together to give that amount to the hapless family according to their minimum decreed share. Male will bear twice the share of what a female shall bear as her responsibility. 4:12, 176 does not contradict 4:11 if you could apply.
Peace, 4:11 starts concerning children; if they are boy age 3 and girls ages 5 & 7 -- responsibilities?
Quote from: drfazl on August 02, 2013, 03:10:47 AM
I have contextually applied the ayat to the ayats 4:7, 9, 10 and with reference to various ayats regarding the orphans too.
Then translate (state which word you are translating as what) use context which you skipped 4:8?
4:7 للرجال to the men نصىب share
مما from what ترك left الوالدان the parents والاقربون and the close relatives وللنساء and for the women نصىب share مما from what ترك left الوالدان the parents والاقربون and the close relatives مما from what قل small منه from it او or كثر large نصىبا share of مفروضا obligatory
4:8 واذا and when حضر comes القسمه the division اولو those القربى the relatives/near والىتامى and the orphans والمساكىن and the needy فارزقوهم so provide yeh them منه from it وقولوا and speak yeh لهم to them قولا word of معروفا kindness of
4:9 ولىخش and let fear الذىن the ones لو if تركوا left they من from خلفهم behind them ذرىه offspring ضعافا weak خافوا fear they علىهم over them فلىتقوا so let fear they الله the god ولىقولوا and to say they قولا word of سدىدا right
Quote from: drfazl on August 02, 2013, 03:10:47 AM
But you have given only a literal translation. Say how you apply the verse in context of the whole of Quran with reference to justice to orphaned ones. Do you see any sense in the fractions in division of and breaking away with the properties? Further, who shall act as the guardian as an additional responsibility from among the nearest of kith and kin?
Chapter starts and ends with inheritance; perhaps read carefully and in context beginning to end...
4:10 ان surely الذىن the ones ىاكلون eating اموال wealth الىتامى the orphans ظلما injustice of انما only ىاكلون eating فى in بطونهم bellies theirs نارا fire of وسىصلون and will be burning سعىرا a blaze
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours للذكر lildhakari/to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (f) فان so if كن are (f/p) نساء nisāan/women فوق above اثنتىن two (f) فلهن falahunna/so for them (f/p) ثلثا thulutha/third dual (2/3) ما what ترك left وان and if كانت kanat/she is واحده wāhidatan/one (f/s) فلها so for her النصف the half ولابوىه wali-abawayhi/and to parents his/deceased لكل to each واحد one منهما from them both السدس the sixth مما from what ترك left ان if كان kana/he is (m/s) له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if ?he is? to person male child born i.e. a son) فان so if لم not ىكن was له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وورثه and heirs ابواه parents his (if only parents are heirs) فلامه so to mother his/deceased الثلث the third فان so if كان he is (m/s) له for him/deceased اخوه ikh'wat/brethren (if to person was a male sibling i.e. brother) فلامه so to mother his/deceased السدس the sixth من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى have made بها in it او or دىن judgment اباوكم fathers yours وابناوكم and children yours لا not تدرون thou knowing اىهم which of them اقرب closer لكم to you نفعا benefit of فرىضه obligation من from الله the god ان surely الله the god كان he is (m/s) علىما knowledge of حكىما wisdom of
4:12 ولكم and for you نصف half ما what ترك left ازواجكم azwājukum/spouses yours ان if لم not ىكن was لهن for them (f/p) ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كان he is (m/s) لهن for them ولد walad/born (if to person is a male child born i.e. son) فلكم so to you الربع the fourth مما from what تركن left they من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصىن made they بها in it او or دىن judgment ولهن and for them الربع the fourth مما from what تركتم left you ان if لم not ىكن was لكم for you ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كان he is (m/s) لكم for you ولد walad/born (if to person male born i.e. son) فلهن so to them الثمن the eight مما from what تركتم left you من from بعد after وصىه a will توصون made they بها in it او or دىن judgment وان and if كان he is (m/s) رجل man ىورث inherited كلاله kalalah/fatherless and spouse-less (deceased left no crown/head of household) او or امراه im'ra-atun/lady (formal address) وله and to him/deceased اخ brother او or اخت sister فلكل so to each واحد one منهما from them both السدس the sixth فان so if كانوا were they اكثر more/greater من from ذلك that فه so they مشركاء partners فى in الثلث the third من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى is recommended بها in it او or دىن judgment غىر not مضار harmful وصىه a will من from الله the god والله and the god علىم know-er حلىم forbear-er
4:176 ىستفتونك they seek ruling yours قل say الله the god ىفتىكم gives a ruling you فى in الكلاله al-kalalah/the fatherless and spouse-less (the no head of household/crown) ان if امرو person هلك perished لىس is not له to him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وله and to him/deceased اخت sister فلها so for her نصف half ما what ترك left وهو and he ىرثها inherits it ان if لم not ىكن was لها for her ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كانتا were (f) اثنتىن two (f) فلهما so to them both الثلثان the third dual (2/3) مما from what ترك left وان and if كانوا were اخوه ikh'watun/siblings رجالا rijālan/men ونساء wanisāan/and women فللذكر falildhakari/so to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (f) ىبىن shows الله the god لكم to you ان lest تضلوا stray yeh والله and the god بكل in every شىء thing علىم know-er
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 02, 2013, 10:57:59 AM
Peace, 4:11 starts concerning children; if they are boy age 3 and girls ages 5 & 7 -- responsibilities?
Peace,
Inheritance: the act of contracting or assuming or acquiring possession of something - such as properties, characteristics, leadership, guardianship, gentic inheritance etc.
The ayat starts
concerning children, the deceased had left behind. Then comes the inheritance of responsibilities of the nearest relations of the deceased, from among
males and females. Why does the next sentence of the ayat say the words: males and females instead of boys and girls? Children of 3 - 7 years of age shall not be entrusted with the properties except being kept in safety in the safe and responsible hands. Since the children are in orphans-like situation, it is incumbent upon the nearest kith and kin of the deceased to
set right their affairs until the children come of age. They shall not devour the properties and wealth of the hapless children; nevertheless, the near relations of the deceased have to take fullest responsibility to care for them.
Where do you find mistake on my take? The context here is: the deceased, his children, boys and girls; his near relations from males and females; and his properties; and the inheritance of the responsibilities. This beginning sentence of the ayat 4:11 is the centre point of the whole post. So let us settle this matter first.
Please avoid literal reading and understanding methodology of Quran. You even say your grossest translation of an ayat, in the common language, English. I will go by your own translation to get to the core of the subject matter for discussion. This reading combination - division اولو those القربى the relatives/near والىتامى - gives headache. I am sorry to say this, but it is true.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 02, 2013, 12:18:53 PM
Inheritance: the act of contracting or assuming or acquiring possession of something - such as properties, characteristics, leadership, guardianship, gentic inheritance etc.
The ayat starts concerning children, the deceased had left behind. Then comes the inheritance of responsibilities of the nearest relations of the deceased, from among males and females. Why does the next sentence of the ayat say the words: males and females instead of boys and girls? Children of 3 - 7 years of age shall not be entrusted with the properties except being kept in safety in the safe and responsible hands. Since the children are in orphans-like situation, it is incumbent upon the nearest kith and kin of the deceased to set right their affairs until the children come of age. They shall not devour the properties and wealth of the children; nevertheless, the near relations of the deceased have to take fullest responsibility to care of them.
Peace -- you are partially correct toward the end; we are warned early in the chapter not to mess with their inheritance...
4:6 وابتلوا and test yeh الىتامى the orphans حتى until اذا when بلغوا attained they النكاح the marriage فان so if انستم perceive you منهم from them رشدا rational فادفعوا so deliver yeh الىهم to them اموالهم wealth theirs ولا and not تاكلوها eat/consume it اسرافا wastefully وبدارا and hastily ان that ىكبروا grow up they (i.e. consume it before they come of age) ومن and from كان he is غنىا rich فلىستعفف so should refrain ومن and from كان he is فقىرا in need of فلىاكل so let eat/consume بالمعروف in the fair manner فاذا so when دفعتم deliver you الىهم to them اموالهم wealth theirs فاشهدوا so witness yeh علىهم over them وكفى and sufficient بالله in the god حسىبا reckon-er
Quote from: drfazl on August 02, 2013, 12:18:53 PM
This beginning sentence of the ayat 4:11 is the centre point of the whole post. So let us settle this matter first. Where do you find mistake on my take?
The error was concerning distributions of inheritance 4:11 to children including orphans reference in 4:6 not responsibilities.
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 02, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Peace --
The error was concerning distributions of inheritance 4:11 to children including orphans reference in 4:6 not responsibilities.
Peace,
I have not said about distribution of inheritance to children. I said you shall not hand over the inheritance to children until they come of age.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 02, 2013, 01:04:39 PM
Let us stay put with 4:11 until we are finished with it.
Peace, 4:11 ties to 4:12, 4:176 and rest of Qur'an.
OK then translate which word is responsibility?
If the deceased left $100,000 who gets what?
If mother is poor does she get 1/6 of responsibility or 1/6 of inheritance?
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 02, 2013, 10:57:59 AM
Peace, 4:11 starts concerning children; if they are boy age 3 and girls ages 5 & 7 -- responsibilities?
Then translate (state which word you are translating as what) use context which you skipped 4:8?
4:7 للرجال to the men نصىب share مما from what ترك left الوالدان the parents والاقربون and the close relatives وللنساء and for the women نصىب share مما from what ترك left الوالدان the parents والاقربون and the close relatives مما from what قل small منه from it او or كثر large نصىبا share of مفروضا obligatory
4:8 واذا and when حضر comes القسمه the division اولو those القربى the relatives/near والىتامى and the orphans والمساكىن and the needy فارزقوهم so provide yeh them منه from it وقولوا and speak yeh لهم to them قولا word of معروفا kindness of
4:9 ولىخش and let fear الذىن the ones لو if تركوا left they من from خلفهم behind them ذرىه offspring ضعافا weak خافوا fear they علىهم over them فلىتقوا so let fear they الله the god ولىقولوا and to say they قولا word of سدىدا right
Chapter starts and ends with inheritance; perhaps read carefully and in context beginning to end...
4:10 ان surely الذىن the ones ىاكلون eating اموال wealth الىتامى the orphans ظلما injustice of انما only ىاكلون eating فى in بطونهم bellies theirs نارا fire of وسىصلون and will be burning سعىرا a blaze
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours للذكر lildhakari/to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (f) فان so if كن are (f/p) نساء nisāan/women فوق above اثنتىن two (f) فلهن falahunna/so for them (f/p) ثلثا thulutha/third dual (2/3) ما what ترك left وان and if كانت kanat/she is واحده wāhidatan/one (f/s) فلها so for her النصف the half ولابوىه wali-abawayhi/and to parents his/deceased لكل to each واحد one منهما from them both السدس the sixth مما from what ترك left ان if كان kana/he is (m/s) له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if ?he is? to person male child born i.e. a son) فان so if لم not ىكن was له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وورثه and heirs ابواه parents his (if only parents are heirs) فلامه so to mother his/deceased الثلث the third فان so if كان he is (m/s) له for him/deceased اخوه ikh'wat/brethren (if to person was a male sibling i.e. brother) فلامه so to mother his/deceased السدس the sixth من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى have made بها in it او or دىن judgment اباوكم fathers yours وابناوكم and children yours لا not تدرون thou knowing اىهم which of them اقرب closer لكم to you نفعا benefit of فرىضه obligation من from الله the god ان surely الله the god كان he is (m/s) علىما knowledge of حكىما wisdom of
4:12 ولكم and for you نصف half ما what ترك left ازواجكم azwājukum/spouses yours ان if لم not ىكن was لهن for them (f/p) ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كان he is (m/s) لهن for them ولد walad/born (if to person is a male child born i.e. son) فلكم so to you الربع the fourth مما from what تركن left they من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصىن made they بها in it او or دىن judgment ولهن and for them الربع the fourth مما from what تركتم left you ان if لم not ىكن was لكم for you ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كان he is (m/s) لكم for you ولد walad/born (if to person male born i.e. son) فلهن so to them الثمن the eight مما from what تركتم left you من from بعد after وصىه a will توصون made they بها in it او or دىن judgment وان and if كان he is (m/s) رجل man ىورث inherited كلاله kalalah/fatherless and spouse-less (deceased left no crown/head of household) او or امراه im'ra-atun/lady (formal address) وله and to him/deceased اخ brother او or اخت sister فلكل so to each واحد one منهما from them both السدس the sixth فان so if كانوا were they اكثر more/greater من from ذلك that فه so they مشركاء partners فى in الثلث the third من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى is recommended بها in it او or دىن judgment غىر not مضار harmful وصىه a will من from الله the god والله and the god علىم know-er حلىم forbear-er
4:176 ىستفتونك they seek ruling yours قل say الله the god ىفتىكم gives a ruling you فى in الكلاله al-kalalah/the fatherless and spouse-less (the no head of household/crown) ان if امرو person هلك perished لىس is not له to him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وله and to him/deceased اخت sister فلها so for her نصف half ما what ترك left وهو and he ىرثها inherits it ان if لم not ىكن was لها for her ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كانتا were (f) اثنتىن two (f) فلهما so to them both الثلثان the third dual (2/3) مما from what ترك left وان and if كانوا were اخوه ikh'watun/siblings رجالا rijālan/men ونساء wanisāan/and women فللذكر falildhakari/so to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (f) ىبىن shows الله the god لكم to you ان lest تضلوا stray yeh والله and the god بكل in every شىء thing علىم know-er
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 02, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Peace, 4:11 ties to 4:12, 4:176 and rest of Qur'an.
OK then translate which word is responsibility?
Peace,
The word "share".
Share what?
Share the responsibilities the deceased had left towards his family. Thus delivering justice and doing the duty for Allah's sake to the bereaved family, as nearest kin to the deceased..
4:8. And when near of kin and orphans and needy persons are present
at the distribution of share, give them of it, and speak unto them in a kindly way.
When the other near ones, and other orphans, and the other needy come
to pay their condolences and to say the words of solace and kind words of comfort to the orphaned children, take them too into your confidence - and their share in this situation could be in the least, is to share their views, and to bear "witness" to the distribution of share. They would themselves volunteer and intervene as to the distribution of responsibilities among them. Slight them not in anger on account of their distance in relations to them. Speak to them kindly and take their views too into consideration.
Please speak in one language at a time. And let it be the common language, English.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 02, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
The word "share".
Share what?
Share the responsibilities the deceased had left towards his family. Thus delivering justice and doing the duty for Allah's sake to the bereaved family, as nearest kin to the deceased..
Peace -- then translate 4:11, 4:12, and 4:176 entirely see if share responsibilities in context makes any sense?
Peace,
4:11. Speaks concerning the demise of the husband leaving behind his wife and weak offsprings.
4:12. Speaks concerning the demise of the wife leaving behind husband with or without their grown up next generation.
4:176. Speaks concerning the demise of an elderly last surviving one - either male or female who has no ascendant or descendant generations.
These are the three categories each one is distinctly different in circumstantial situation. The crux matter in these three ayats is not about dividing the wealth and properties of the deceased and taking away the loots as shares - but giving away from your wealth as their near relations, a decreed share to help run the family without any financial burden over-flowing them. All the three ayats involve of the people, either poor or middle income family.
All these people are indebted people having minimal means of survival with no property of their own, and even living in lower-rented flats. And hence what is decreed upon the faithful people is to settle their lives in just proportions as Allah has ordained. In such a situation you need to spend from your wealth to clear off all his debts and save him from insolvency so that the family now starts life with dignity. There is absolutely nothing you could take away from the bereaved family, for there is nothing left with them as their possessions.
Based on this, we start with 4:11 concerning children.
To be continued....
drfazl
Peace,
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 02:29:32 AM
4:11. Speaks concerning the demise of the husband leaving behind his wife and weak offsprings.
No it doesn't.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 02:29:32 AM
4:12. Speaks concerning the demise of the wife leaving behind husband with or without their grown up next generation.
No it doesn't.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 02:29:32 AM
4:176. Speaks concerning the demise of an elderly last surviving one - either male or female who has no ascendant or descendant generations.
No it doesn't.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 02:29:32 AM
These are the three categories each one is distinctly different in circumstantial situation. The crux matter in these three ayats is not about dividing the wealth and properties of the deceased and taking away the loots as shares - but giving away from your wealth as their near relations, a decreed share to help run the family without any financial burden over-flowing them. All the three ayats involve of the people, either poor or middle income family.
No, it's exactly about distribution of inheritance.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 02:29:32 AM
All these people are indebted people having minimal means of survival with no property of their own, and even living in lower-rented flats. And hence what is decreed upon the faithful people is to settle their lives in just proportions as Allah has ordained. In such a situation you need to spend from your wealth to clear off all his debts and save him from insolvency so that the family now starts life with dignity. There is absolutely nothing you could take away from the bereaved family, for there is nothing left with them as their possessions.
None of that is mentioned in verses.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 02:29:32 AM
Based on this, we start with 4:11 concerning children.
To be continued....
Yes we are waiting. Why post above assertions without first carefully translating the verses?
Perhaps start with who is being addressed exactly; fathers only, mothers only or any parent?
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in/concerning اولادكم children yours ...
6:151 وبالوالدىن and with the parents both احسانا kindness ولا and not تقتلوا kill yeh اولادكم children yours من from املاق pauperism
64:15 انما only اموالكم wealth yours واولادكم and children yours فتنه fit?natun/trial
Spend away; take mot away
4:11.
1. Allah enjoins you
concerning your offsprings:
The God of the worlds warns you to fear Him concerning the state of your weak offsprings if you die leaving them orphans at such tender age. If we take the admonition seriously, then here is what you shall do concerning the similar status of other orphans before you. "And test the orphans until they attain maturity - then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether from touching it, and whoever is poor, let him use it reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner."
2. The male shall have the equal of the share of responsibility of two females.
This is because, "Men are the sustainers and maintainers of women because Allah has made men to excel women and because they spend out of their property. Surely Allah is High, Great." Every man shall shoulder twice the responsibility to safeguard the interests and properties of the offsprings - "And let those fear who, should they leave behind them weakly offspring, would fear on their account, so let them be careful of their duty to Allah." Here is what Allah ordains upon men and women as to their respective responsibilities to share-
3. Then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds responsibility of the responsibilities the deceased has left behind; and if there is one, she shall bear the half.
If there are only females as near relatives of the deceased, then their share of responsibilities go as above depending on their numbers.
4. And as for his parents, each of them shall bear the sixth of what he has left if he has a
child.
Since his parents have reached above the earning age, it is enough if they each bear a sixth of responsibility. How justified could it be to take away a child's property earned for it by its father?
5. But if he has
no child and his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall bear the third.
His father, the male shall bear twice the share of what the mother shall bear.
6. But if he has brothers, then his mother shall bear the sixth
And his father shall bear one third, twice that of the mother.
7. After a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt.
All the above mentioned shares to help smooth running of the bereaved family come to effect immediately after his debt and his personal will of settlement of dues and his promises is fulfilled as quickly as possible, so that there is no hindrance or the burden of loans, and also saving the family from the harassments by the people unknown to them.
8. Your parents and your children and you know not which of them nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Only to make you understand that except for a very few of your near and dear relations would not visit you even at death and worse still, even the very few might not turn up. They are the rejecters of God's ayats. On the other hand from among the distant relations and friends, or even the orphans might turn up with compassion in their hearts to help your family tide over the critical situation. And you will know they are your brethren in Islam.
"Say: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and
property which you have inherited, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Apostle and striving in His way, then wait till Allah brings about His command: and Allah does not guide the transgressing people." 9:24
4:12 follows next:
fazlur rahman
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 04, 2013, 02:37:06 PM
Peace,
No it doesn't.
No it doesn't.
No it doesn't.
No, it's exactly about distribution of inheritance.
What is there to answer you for your simple "one word dismissal" without substantial back up with your view points?
QuoteNone of that is mentioned in verses.
That is my view. You can clearly see that as a paragraph separated from the verse.
QuoteYes we are waiting. Why post above assertions without first carefully translating the verses?
You are interested in arabic language that you go for literal translation. I am being careful in getting at the translation to reform and transform. We are poles apart. It is better we stay polarised.
Peace drfazl,
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
4:11.
1. Allah enjoins you concerning your offsprings:
The God of the worlds warns you to fear Him concerning the state of your weak offsprings if you die leaving them orphans at such tender age. If we take the admonition seriously, then here is what you shall do concerning the similar status of other orphans before you. "And test the orphans until they attain maturity - then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether from touching it, and whoever is poor, let him use it reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner."
2. The male shall have the equal of the share of responsibility of two females.
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in/concerning اولادكم children yours للذكر lildhakari/to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)...
Case: deceased leaves property 72 gold coins;
son age 2, two daughters ages 5 and 10Question: what responsibility are you assigning to each underage child?
Question: upon maturity how person in whose care distribute 72 coins?
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
3. Then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds responsibility of the responsibilities the deceased has left behind; and if there is one, she shall bear the half.
If there are only females as near relatives of the deceased, then their share of responsibilities go as above depending on their numbers.
4. And as for his parents, each of them shall bear the sixth of what he has left if he has a child.
Since his parents have reached above the earning age, it is enough if they each bear a sixth of responsibility. How justified could it be to take away a child's property earned for it by its father?
4:11 ... فان so if كن are (f/p) نساء nisāan/women فوق above اثنتىن two (f) فلهن falahunna/so for them (f/p) ثلثا thulutha/third dual (2/3) ما what ترك left وان and if كانت kanat/she is واحده wāhidatan/one (f/s) فلها so for her النصف the half
ولابوىه and to parents his/deceased لكل to each واحد one منهما from them both السدس the sixth مما from what ترك left ان if كان kana/he is (m/s) له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if ?he is? to person male child born i.e. a son)
Case: deceased leaves property 72 gold coins;
mother, father, son age 2, two daughters ages 5 and 10Question: who has responsibility for whom and for how much?
Question: how to distribute 72 gold coins immediately and when each child reaches maturity?
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
5. But if he has no child and his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall bear the third.
His father, the male shall bear twice the share of what the mother shall bear.
4:11 ... فان so if لم not ىكن was له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وورثه and heirs ابواه parents his (if only parents are heirs) فلامه so to mother his/deceased الثلث the third
Case: deceased leaves 72 gold coins;
mother and father Question: who has responsibility for whom and how much?
Question: how should 72 coins be distributed immediately?
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
6. But if he has brothers, then his mother shall bear the sixth
And his father shall bear one third, twice that of the mother.
4:11 ... فان so if كان he is (m/s) له for him/deceased اخوه ikh'wat/brethren (if to person was a male sibling i.e. brother) فلامه so to mother his/deceased السدس the sixth من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى have made بها in it او or دىن judgment
Case: deceased leaves 72 gold coins;
mother, father, and brother age 20 Question: who has responsibility for whom and how much?
Question: how should 72 coins be distributed immediately?
Case: deceased leaves 72 gold coins;
mother and brother age 10 Question: who has responsibility for whom and how much?
Question: how should 72 coins be distributed immediately and when brother reaches maturity?
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2013, 08:34:48 PM
4:12 follows next:
4:11, 4:12, and 4:176 give exact inheritance distributions (not responsibilities) for all combinations.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604035.0
Peace
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 05, 2013, 12:48:11 AM
Peace drfazl,
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in/concerning اولادكم children yours للذكر lildhakari/to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)...
Case: deceased leaves property 72 gold coins; son age 2, two daughters ages 5 and 10
Question: what responsibility are you assigning to each underage child?
Question: upon maturity how person in whose care distribute 72 coins?
Peace noon,
4:7 to 4:10 is the prelude before entering 4:11. Please read post 137. http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg333602#msg333602
And 4:8 needs special mention. Msg# 145
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg333637#msg333637
Where is the question of assigning responsibility to the weak offsprings? Wherefrom in 4:11 you got this?
It is the duty of all the near relations to come together to settle the debts and fulfil the Will of the deceased, in whatever and every means possible. Then you shall sit together and take account of the necessary financial assistance on daily or monthly basis and pour in your contributions as per shares prescribed. And wealthy among you can give more for Allah's sake, and among them who have not much finance to support there is no blame on them if they can only contribute less. Allah is sufficient as Reckoner. Even the distant relations and all those who wish to take part and spend in Allah's case however poor they are, they shall be given permission to do so. "Those who spend benevolently in ease as well as in straitness, and Allah loves the doers of good to others."
4:11 says regarding those poor families with little children whose deceased father was earning every day for their livelihood and their livelihood is straitened with the debts in addition. Wherefrom you got 72 gold coins? This imaginary case has no standing here. They have nothing left with them like what you say according to 4:11.
drfazl
Before going to 4:12, we shall keep in mind the general rule stated in 4:7 - Men shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, and women shall have a portion of what the parents and the near relatives leave, whether there is little or much of it; a stated portion.
Here the men and women are the grown ups and are not children. They have slated portion to carry on the duties left behind by either their parents or their near relatives. Among the duties the first to be done is to settle the will and the debts of the deceased.
4:12
This verse begins by addressing the community as a whole comprising of men and women. Here it goes:
1. And you shall have half of what your wives leave if they have no child.
Since the husband has already been looking after her all along, it is addressed to the near relatives of the wives with regard to any settlement by way of her will or debt which is truly an extra burden. Here referring to child does not mean small children but grown up by then had they had them in time after marriage. In such situation the near relations of wife shall bear half the responsibility, until such a period, the situation in the family is normalised.
2. But if they have a child, then you shall have a fourth of what they leave after payment of any bequest they may have bequeathed or a debt.
But if they have the child, then he shall bear too the duties to his mother, and they shall bear the fourth of it. The rest of a fourth shall be borne by the near relatives of wife.
3. This apart, they shall have the fourth of what you leave if you have no child.
There might have been forced expenses from unforeseen circumstances for which had the husband gone in for debts on account of the deceased - then upon her relatives a fourth is due if you have no child.
4. But if you have a child then they shall have the eighth of what you leave after payment of a bequest you may have bequeathed or a debt.
If you have child, then their share is even halved.
5. And if a man or a woman leaves commitments to be inherited by neither parents nor offspring, and he or she has a brother or a sister, then each of them two shall have the sixth.
6. But if they are more than that, they shall be sharers in the third after payment of any bequest that may have been bequeathed or a debt.
7. But it shall not cause loss to any.
While thus sharing the responsibilities, Allah is always compassionate on whom there is financial restrictions. They shall never be forced to take part. Surely Allah will not put to test any one beyond his scope to bear. In the path to salam compulsion is prohibited.
8. This is an ordinance from Allah: and Allah is Knowing, Forbearing.
fazlur rahman
Peace -- drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2013, 01:43:04 AM
Wherefrom you got 72 gold coins? This imaginary case has no standing here. They have nothing left with them like what you say according to 4:11.
OK make 5 coins and a donkey or anything of value in their possession at time of death.
Likewise when it says don't eat their wealth and hand over their properties when they reach maturity -- what is that talking about other than their inheritance?
4:10 ان surely الذىن the ones
ىاكلون eating اموال wealth الىتامى the orphans ظلما injustice of انما only ىاكلون eating فى in بطونهم bellies theirs نارا fire of وسىصلون and will be burning سعىرا a blaze
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours...
Please answer the questions posted earlier; what happens to inheritance/property of deceased rich or poor?
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2013, 08:26:35 AM
4:12
This verse begins by addressing the community as a whole comprising of men and women. Here it goes:
1. And you shall have half of what your wives leave if they have no child.
Since the husband has already been looking after her all along, it is addressed to the near relatives of the wives with regard to any settlement by way of her will or debt which is truly an extra burden. Here referring to child does not mean small children but grown up by then had they had them in time after marriage. In such situation the near relations of wife shall bear half the responsibility, until such a period, the situation in the family is normalised.
What?
4:12 ولكم and for you نصف half ما what ترك left ازواجكم azwājukum/spouses yours ان if لم not ىكن was لهن for them (f/p) ولد walad/born (if no child)
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 05, 2013, 11:03:46 AM
Peace -- drfazl
OK make 5 coins and a donkey or anything of value in their p :handshake:ossession at time of death.
Likewise when it says don't eat their wealth and hand over their properties when they reach maturity -- what is that talking about other than their inheritance?
4:10 ان surely الذىن the ones ىاكلون eating اموال wealth الىتامى the orphans ظلما injustice of انما only ىاكلون eating فى in بطونهم bellies theirs نارا fire of وسىصلون and will be burning سعىرا a blaze
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours...
Please answer the questions posted earlier; what happens to inheritance/property of deceased rich or poor?
Peace noon
I have given account of 4:11 regarding the poor in all my previous posts and what the responsibilities are with regard to the near relatives of the deceased. In the first place there is no question of having any personal property such as donkey and 5 coins when the family needs to settle their debts.
And again you shall understand there is no way even thinking of inheriting the properties by any of the relatives other than the members of the deceased family.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2013, 11:48:04 AM
Peace noon
I have given account of 4:11 regarding the poor in all my previous posts and what the responsibilities are with regard to the near relatives of the deceased. In the first place there is no question of having any personal property such as donkey and 5 coins when the family needs to settle their debts.
And again you shall understand there is no way even thinking of inheriting the properties by any of the relatives other than the members of the deceased family.
drfazl
Peace drfazl, yes inheriting properties by close members family of deceased.
Again, I ask you who gets the deceased property and how much?
inheritors: mother, father, spouse, daughters, sons, sisters, brothers
Again, I ask you what is wealth of orphans not to be eaten and given them?
4:6 وابتلوا and test yeh الىتامى the orphans حتى until اذا when بلغوا attained they النكاح the marriage فان so if انستم perceive you منهم from them رشدا rational
فادفعوا so deliver yeh الىهم to them اموالهم wealth theirs ولا and not تاكلوها eat/consume it اسرافا wastefully وبدارا and hastily ان that ىكبروا grow up they (i.e. consume it before they come of age) ومن and from كان he is غنىا rich فلىستعفف so should refrain ومن and from كان he is فقىرا in need of فلىاكل so let eat/consume بالمعروف in the fair manner فاذا so when دفعتم deliver you الىهم to them اموالهم wealth theirs فاشهدوا so witness yeh علىهم over them وكفى and sufficient بالله in the god حسىبا reckon-er
4:10 ان surely الذىن the ones
ىاكلون eating اموال wealth الىتامى the orphans ظلما injustice of انما only ىاكلون eating فى in بطونهم bellies theirs نارا fire of وسىصلون and will be burning سعىرا a blaze
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours...
No need to get into 4:12 and 4:176 for your interpretation has so many contractions it makes absolutely no sense which you are not translating rather writing your own book using your own words according to some weird Marxist communist anti-inheritance philosophy saying it's about poor tenants living in low housing flats.
Let?s stick to words used in the book apply them accordingly otherwise not wasting any more time.
Peace
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 05, 2013, 01:14:19 PM
Peace drfazl, yes inheriting properties by close members family of deceased.
Again, I ask you who gets the deceased property and how much?
inheritors: mother, father, spouse, daughters, sons, sisters, brothers
Again, I ask you what is wealth of orphans not to be eaten and given them?
Peace noon,
4:6 is not to be applied here for the ayat is concerning the orphans who have no relatives at all; or in other words abandoned by the relatives because of such misinterpretation of 4:11.
4:11 is not concerning with orphans but either of the parents and all the near and far relatives are bonded together. If you follow this ayat, there cannot be orphans at all. The ayat is all about the indebted family as the earning member, male dies. The relations of the husband play major role in streamlining the family affairs. Their first duty is to pay debts.
Make it clear a family in debt has no property. They are to be sold or to be mortgaged to settle debts. In addition they are to be helped by the near ones. The family members such as spouse, sons and daughters are very young and financially weak and they have no role. But father, mother, brothers, sisters of the deceased do have a role.
Unless you get this there is no seeing each other eye to eye, for fruitful discussion.
I am not ambiguous in my take. I respect your take if your understanding is original, uncontaminated by Hadiths.
drfazl
Hadith of Allah & Hadith of Buhari
Which is true and which is satanic? What do we understand by the following ayat?
4:87. God - save whom there is no deity - will surely gather you all together on the Day of Resurrection. Which is beyond all doubt? And whose Hadith could be truer than God's?
Only if we discard Buhari's Hadiths as comprising of doubts, mischiefs and falsehood, there is no way a word of Quran could be understood in the right direction. If we are to read Quran, we have to seek from Allah the revelation of what every ayat, words mean pertaining to each of our situation at any given point of time. Quran is not Arabic language. Quran is Wahi given in Arabic syllables. Such as Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa, Noon, Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad etc. every syllable of Quran has meanings which Allah alone could reveal and teach. But we believe in Arabic language and derive the mundane meanings as Allah's revelation. This amounts to pride and prejudice. It is surely a manner of association to Allah's Hadiths.
If we are humble before Allah and wait in patience to totally surrender to the Revelation of His Hadiths, then we shall be elevated with Revelation as and when it reaches us as Wahi. Only now 4:11 is easy to get at.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 06, 2013, 11:19:15 PM
Hadith of Allah & Hadith of Buhari
Which is true and which is satanic? What do we understand by the following ayat?
4:87. God - save whom there is no deity - will surely gather you all together on the Day of Resurrection. Which is beyond all doubt? And whose Hadith could be truer than God's?
Only if we discard Buhari's Hadiths as comprising of doubts, mischiefs and falsehood, there is no way a word of Quran could be understood in the right direction. If we are to read Quran, we have to seek from Allah the revelation of what every ayat, words mean pertaining to each of our situation at any given point of time. Quran is not Arabic language. Quran is Wahi given in Arabic syllables. Such as Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa, Noon, Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad etc. every syllable of Quran has meanings which Allah alone could reveal and teach. But we believe in Arabic language and derive the mundane meanings as Allah's revelation. This amounts to pride and prejudice. It is surely a manner of association to Allah's Hadiths.
If we are humble before Allah and wait in patience to totally surrender to the Revelation of His Hadiths, then we shall be elevated with Revelation as and when it reaches us as Wahi. Only now 4:11 is easy to get at.
drfazl
77:50 Then in what Hadidths after this (the Hadidth of Allah - Quran) will they believe?
Quote from: drfazl on August 06, 2013, 11:19:15 PM
Which is true and which is satanic? What do we understand by the following ayat?
4:87. God - save whom there is no deity - will surely gather you all together on the Day of Resurrection. Which is beyond all doubt? And whose Hadith could be truer than God's?
Only if we discard Buhari's Hadiths as comprising of doubts, mischiefs and falsehood, there is no way a word of Quran could be understood in the right direction. If we are to read Quran, we have to seek from Allah the revelation of what every ayat, words mean pertaining to each of our situation at any given point of time. Quran is not Arabic language. Quran is Wahi given in Arabic syllables. Such as Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa, Noon, Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad etc. every syllable of Quran has meanings which Allah alone could reveal and teach. But we believe in Arabic language and derive the mundane meanings as Allah's revelation. This amounts to pride and prejudice. It is surely a manner of association to Allah's Hadiths.
If we are humble before Allah and wait in patience to totally surrender to the Revelation of His Hadiths, then we shall be elevated with Revelation as and when it reaches us as Wahi. Only now 4:11 is easy to get at.
drfazl
Quran Only (2:2) This the Book
4:42
On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the messenger will wish that the earth Were made one with them: But never will they hide which single Hadith from Allah!
7:185
Have they not considered the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and what things Allah hath created, and that it may be that their own term draweth nigh? In what Hadidth (Other Than Hadidth of Allah ) after this will they believe?
52:34
Let them then produce a Hadith like Quran if they are truthful.
Ŵelcome johnsonsmurafa
drfazl
Peace
Welcome to this forum johnson :)
Peace jhonsonmustafa,
:welcome:
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2013, 01:43:04 AM
Peace noon,
4:7 to 4:10 is the prelude before entering 4:11. Please read post 137. http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg333602#msg333602
And 4:8 needs special mention. Msg# 145
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg333637#msg333637
Where is the question of assigning responsibility to the weak offsprings? Wherefrom in 4:11 you got this?
It is the duty of all the near relations to come together to settle the debts and fulfil the Will of the deceased, in whatever and every means possible. Then you shall sit together and take account of the necessary financial assistance on daily or monthly basis and pour in your contributions as per shares prescribed. And wealthy among you can give more for Allah's sake, and among them who have not much finance to support there is no blame on them if they can only contribute less. Allah is sufficient as Reckoner. Even the distant relations and all those who wish to take part and spend in Allah's case however poor they are, they shall be given permission to do so. "Those who spend benevolently in ease as well as in straitness, and Allah loves the doers of good to others."
4:11 says regarding those poor families with little children whose deceased father was earning every day for their livelihood and their livelihood is straitened with the debts in addition. Wherefrom you got 72 gold coins? This imaginary case has no standing here. They have nothing left with them like what you say according to 4:11.
drfazl
Inheritance or Responsiblity
My sons after graduating from medical college , they are running an outpatient clinic in my city. Yesterday my son was discussing with my daughter in law who is also a doctor about a hospital nursing staff. I enquired about it , this is about my nursing staff , Mrs.Daisy 50 yr old, working in our hospital for the past 15 years. My son said that she was crying whenever she was alone, unable to concentrate on her job, she is very much disturbed and very sad. He came to know that she is having lots of debts and unable to pay the money.
Actually i didnot know about her personal and family life after the demise of her husband last year. Many times i tried to convince her not to worry about the loss of her husband and beyond that i did not know about her life. But today i wanted to enquire about her and family situation, so i called her over phone. I asked her , " how are you managing your family". She is having a bachelor son who joined a private company afetr the completion of school education. He was working in a nearby city. Her daughter finished engineering graduation and joined as an assistant prof in a college and got married. It all happened when her husband was alive. Now her daughter also wasnt living with her. Her husband who was a tailor used to earn 500-600 rupees per day had heart attack 2 years before, for which her husband was admitted in a hospital. She spent 55000rupees for hospital stay and 30000rupees for medicines. After the discharge they did angiogram for which she spent 30000 rupees. So nearly she borrowed 400,000 rupees while her husband was alive. Suddenly her husband died last year.
She was able to pay the interest money when her husband was alive. After his demise she couldnt pay the interest money with what she earned. She is having brothers, sisters and lot of relatives. She says all the relatives after her husband's death didnot turn up to take responsibility or atleast reduce the burden of my debt. So im praying all the time at my home. Im unable to answer the money lenders who is coming to my house daily. I couldnt sleep easily, my son or daughter is not here. Im unable to control my emotions. Im believing in god and only he has to help me to come out of the crisis. My only daughter is not at all coming to my house to see me, i helped a lot for her education and marriage. None of my brothers or sisters turned up to visit me after my husband's death. Even my younger sister who is living close to my house doesnt come to see me.
I told her, " You had great regards for your near and distant relatives. Now see what happened when you are grieving and in debt. Nobody is there to help you out. So now you believe in god alone. Dont depend on your relatives. Dont have any doubt on god's grace ". She has got money from us too and for that we were deducting 1000 Rs per month from her salary. I told her hereafter we wont deduct that money. That much help i can do for you.
Actually after reading dr.fazl's posting in about inheritance and responsibility in the family of deceased , i realised that i should contact that staff and enquire her status. Thank allah for conveying this good message through dr.fazl.
Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy
dr.rks
Since you followed 4:11 in its prestine sense and essence, Allah had guided you till the end of your life. Allah shall not waste a bit even, of what they had understood from any ayat of Quran. Sister Daisy has been your hospital staff since 15 years and you have become one with her as her brethren. Until you came to know of 4:11 you were deducting 1000 rupee from her salary but having come to know how you should treat an orphan immediately you waived the deduction. If everybody follows 4:11 in this manner there cannot be orphans. The following is the ayat to which Allah had guided you and He would guide you till the end of your life and its fruits would reach far and wide, till the end of the world. Clearly Buhari and co were the mischief makers to destroy such great guidance to mankind concerning orphans.
2:220. They ask thee concerning orphans, Say till the end: "The best thing to do is what is for their good; if ye mix their affairs with yours, they are your brethren; but Allah knows the man who means mischief from the man who means good. And if Allah had wished, He could have put you into difficulties: He is indeed Exalted in Power, Wise."
drfazl
Quote from: dr.rks on August 07, 2013, 01:16:49 PM
Inheritance or Responsiblity
I told her, " You had great regards for your near and distant relatives. Now see what happened when you are grieving and in debt. Nobody is there to help you out. So now you believe in god alone. Dont depend on your relatives. Dont have any doubt on god's grace ". She has got money from us too and for that we were deducting 1000 Rs per month from her salary. I told her hereafter we wont deduct that money. That much help i can do for you.
Actually after reading dr.fazl's posting in about inheritance and responsibility in the family of deceased , i realised that i should contact that staff and enquire her status. Thank allah for conveying this good message through dr.fazl.
Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy
Peace Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy -- it's great that you helped out although has nothing to do with inheritance 4:11
Peace drfazl, was tied up and still traveling although wanted to reply...
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2013, 08:07:04 PM
4:6 is not to be applied here for the ayat is concerning the orphans who have no relatives at all; or in other words abandoned by the relatives because of such misinterpretation of 4:11.
4:11 is not concerning with orphans but either of the parents and all the near and far relatives are bonded together. If you follow this ayat, there cannot be orphans at all. The ayat is all about the indebted family as the earning member, male dies. The relations of the husband play major role in streamlining the family affairs. Their first duty is to pay debts.
No, verse 4:6 ties to 4:11 which you are not reading in context are concerning children orphans and non-orphans. Your translation of
حظ luck/fortune/share as "responsibilities" makes no sense...
An Arabic-English Lexicon: By Edward William Lane
حظ
حَظَّ حظ , sec. pers. حَظِظْتَ, (S, K,) aor. يَحَظُّ, (S,) inf. n. حَظٌّ, (K,) He was, or became, fortunate, or possessed of good fortune...
حَظٌّ حظ Fortune; or particularly good fortune; syn. جَدٌّ (S, Nh, Msb, K) and بَخْتٌ: (Nh:) and a share, portion, or lot: (S, Msb, K:) or particularly a share, portion, or lot, of something good or excellent...3:176 ... الا that not ىجعل he make لهم for them
حظا share of (responsibilities?) فى in الاخره the afterlife ولهم and for them عذاب punishment عظىم mighty
4:10 ان surely الذىن the ones ىاكلون eating اموال wealth الىتامى the orphans ظلما injustice of انما only ىاكلون eating فى in بطونهم bellies theirs نارا fire of وسىصلون and will be burning سعىرا a blaze
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours للذكر lildhakari/to the male مثل likeness
حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (f) فان so if كن kunna/are (f/p) نساء nisāan/women فوق above اثنتىن two (f) فلهن falahunna/so for them (f/p) ثلثا thulutha/third dual (2/3) ما what ترك left وان and if كانت kanat/she is واحده wāhidatan/one (f/s) فلها so for her
النصف the half ...
28:79...
قال said الذىن the ones ىرىدون desiring الحىاه the life الدنىا the world ىا O لىت would that لنا for us مثل like ما what اوتى was given قارون Qārūnu انه surely he لذو owner
حظ luck/fortune/share/portion (responsibilities?) عظىم mighty
What were they envious above -- his responsibilities?
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2013, 08:07:04 PM
Make it clear a family in debt has no property. They are to be sold or to be mortgaged to settle debts. In addition they are to be helped by the near ones. The family members such as spouse, sons and daughters are very young and financially weak and they have no role. But father, mother, brothers, sisters of the deceased do have a role.
Unless you get this there is no seeing each other eye to eye, for fruitful discussion.
I am not ambiguous in my take. I respect your take if your understanding is original, uncontaminated by Hadiths.
What you write is not in the book; inheritance left is distributed after will and debts settled.
OK let's see who is using hadith; perhaps tell us how much responsibilities these situations?
A) father and brother?
B) mother and sister (1/6 or 1/2)?
C) 2 brothers and 4 sisters?4:12 ... من from بعد after وصىه a will توصون made they بها in it او or دىن judgment
وان and if كان he is (m/s) رجل a man ىورث inherited كلاله kalalah او or امراه im'ra-atun/lady
وله and to deceased اخ a brother او or اخت a sister فلكل so to each واحد one منهما from them both
السدس the sixth فان so if كانوا were they اكثر greater من from ذلك that فه so they مشركاء partners فى in
الثلث the third من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى is recommended بها in it او or دىن judgment...
4:176 ىستفتونك they seek ruling yours قل say الله the god ىفتىكم gives a ruling you فى in الكلاله al-kalalah
ان if امرو person هلك perished لىس is not له to deceased ولد walad/born (if no child)
وله and to deceased اخت a sister فلها so for her
نصف half ما what ترك left
وهو and he ىرثها inherits it ان if لم not ىكن was لها for her ولد walad/born (if no child)
فان so if كانتا kanata/were (f) اثنتىن two (f) فلهما so to them both الثلثان the third dual (2/3) مما from what ترك left
وان and if كانوا were they اخوه ikh'watun/siblings رجالا rijālan/men ونساء wanisāan/and women
فللذكر falildhakari/so to the male مثل like
حظ share/fortune الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (f)
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 10, 2013, 03:13:11 AM
Peace Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy -- it's great that you helped out although has nothing to do with inheritance 4:11
Peace noon
After reading and understanding the verse 4:11 it inspired me to do the help to my staff. But you are saying me it has nothing to do with 4:11. So what else you think inspired me other than 4:11?
Quote from: dr.rks on August 10, 2013, 04:03:07 AM
Peace noon
After reading and understanding the verse 4:11 it inspired me to do the help to my staff. But you are saying me it has nothing to do with 4:11. So what else you think inspired me other than 4:11?
Peace dr.rks -- what inspires you is up to you and what inspires others to spend is throughout the book...
2:1 الم alif lam meem
2:2 ذلك that الكتاب the book لا not رىب doubt فىه in it هدى guidance للمتقىن for the righteous
2:3 الذىن the ones ىومنون believing بالغىب in the unseen وىقىمون and establishing الصلاه the prayer ومما and from what رزقناهم provide we them
ىنفقون are spending 2:4 والذىن and the ones ىومنون believing بما in what انزل descended الىك to you وما and what انزل descended من from قبلك before you وبالاخره and in the afterlife هم they ىوقنون are assuring
2:5 اولىك surely those على on هدى guidance من from ربهم lord theirs واولىك and surely those هم they المفلحون the successful
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 10, 2013, 03:13:11 AM
Peace Dr.R.Kanagasabapathy -- it's great that you helped out although has nothing to do with inheritance 4:11
peace,
60:3 Neither your relatives nor your children will benefit you;
because they will come to you only to take away from you. they will not follow 4:11 unless Allah wills.
8:75 and after, those who believed, left their homes and strive with you in the straight path,
are among you; and as per Allah's commandment they are your relatives. one is nearer to the other - surely Allah is Knower of all things.
i believe dr.rks surely found the staff one among him. not only because he helped her but directed her towards God alone.
peace
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 10, 2013, 03:47:31 AM
Peace drfazl, was tied up and still traveling although wanted to reply...
No, verse 4:6 ties to 4:11 which you are not reading in context are concerning children orphans and non-orphans. Your translation of حظ luck/fortune/share as "responsibilities" makes no sense...
Peace noon,
4:6 is concerned with the rich orphan children's wealth and the properties kept under a guardianship who should act as a trustee. The whole ayat is delivered to the trustee as to how he should behave with the responsibilities given to him. From such rich orphan's no relative far or near can take a single penny. They shall never be distributed.
But in
4:11. It is about not letting an orphan develop particularly when an earning family member male, dies leaving behind his wife, weak children and debts. They have nothing to inherit; on the other hand they need help from the relatives all around near or distant. Contributions shall pour in; no distribution for there is nothing to distribute.
I want to know how do you see link between 'rich-to-be-orphans' and 'poor-to-be-orphans'? If you had seen a link you would have distributed the money and again nothing will be left with the trustee.
drfazl
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 10, 2013, 04:08:35 AM
Peace dr.rks -- what inspires you is up to you and what inspires others to spend is throughout the book...
2:1 الم alif lam meem
2:2 ذلك that الكتاب the book لا not رىب doubt فىه in it هدى guidance للمتقىن for the righteous
2:3 الذىن the ones ىومنون believing بالغىب in the unseen وىقىمون and establishing الصلاه the prayer ومما and from what رزقناهم provide we them ىنفقون are spending
2:4 والذىن and the ones ىومنون believing بما in what انزل descended الىك to you وما and what انزل descended من from قبلك before you وبالاخره and in the afterlife هم they ىوقنون are assuring
2:5 اولىك surely those على on هدى guidance من from ربهم lord theirs واولىك and surely those هم they المفلحون the successful
Peace Noon waalqalami
Now you accepted that the verses 4:11 is meant towards spending to others and all throughout the quran all the ayats favours spending for others which also you seem to accept. None of the ayats tells you to take possession from others. But you tell 4:11 is only for inheritance rather. As you know in quran one ayat never contradicts the other but only contributing.
Quote from: DrGm on August 10, 2013, 04:25:15 AM
60:3 Neither your relatives nor your children will benefit you;
because they will come to you only to take away from you. they will not follow 4:11 unless Allah wills.
8:75 and after, those who believed, left their homes and strive with you in the straight path, are among you; and as per Allah's commandment they are your relatives. one is nearer to the other - surely Allah is Knower of all things.
i believe dr.rks surely found the staff one among him. not only because he helped her but directed her towards God alone.
Peace -- and your point is exactly what pertaining to 4:11, not about distributing inheritance to ones children?
4 :11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in
اولادكم children yours ...
Quote from: drfazl on August 10, 2013, 05:14:05 AM
4:6 is concerned with the rich orphan children's wealth and the properties kept under a guardianship who should act as a trustee. The whole ayat is delivered to the trustee as to how he should behave with the responsibilities given to him. From such rich orphan's no relative far or near can take a single penny. They shall never be distributed.
But in
4:11. It is about not letting an orphan develop particularly when an earning family member male, dies leaving behind his wife, weak children and debts. They have nothing to inherit; on the other hand they need help from the relatives all around near or distant. Contributions shall pour in; no distribution for there is nothing to distribute.
I want to know how do you see link between 'rich-to-be-orphans' and 'poor-to-be-orphans'? If you had seen a link you would have distributed the money and again nothing will be left with the trustee.
Peace drfazl,
Where do you read rich-poor stuff and where exactly is poverty line how much wealth?
It says exactly what it says and is explicitly directed to ones children firstly -- is it not?
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in
اولادكم children yours للذكر lildhakari/to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the two (f. dual)
فان so if كن are نساء nisāan/women فوق above اثنتىن two فلهن so for them (f/p) ثلثا third dual
(2/3) ما what ترك left
وان and if كانت kanat/she is واحده wāḥidatan/one (f/s) فلها so for her
النصف the half ...
Likewise, please distribute "responsibilities" as requested earlier and state which verses to use?
A) father and brother?
B) mother and sister (1/6 or 1/2)?
C) 2 brothers and 4 sisters?Quote from: dr.rks on August 10, 2013, 07:26:30 AM
Now you accepted that the verses 4:11 is meant towards spending to others...
and all throughout the quran all the ayats favours spending for others which also you seem to accept. None of the ayats tells you to take possession from others. But you tell 4:11 is only for inheritance rather. As you know in quran one ayat never contradicts the other but only contributing.
Peace dr.rks -- where I accept 4:11 is meant towards spending to others?
4:11 is explicitly directed towards ones children then toward ones parents.
Prescribed to write a will and if no will or partial will use inheritance verses.
2:180 كتب prescribed علىكم for you اذا when حضر comes احدكم any of you الموت the death ان if ترك left خىرا best of
الوصىه the will للوالدىن to the parents both والاقربىن and the near relatives بالمعروف in the fair manner حقا truthful على on المتقىن the righteous
4:11 ... من from بعد after
وصىه a will ىوصى have made بها in it او or دىن judgment اباوكم fathers yours وابناوكم and children yours لا not تدرون thou knowing اىهم which of them اقرب closer لكم to you نفعا benefit of فرىضه obligation من from الله the god ان surely الله the god كان he is علىما knowledge of حكىما wisdom of
Peace
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 10, 2013, 12:46:04 PM
Peace -- and your point is exactly what pertaining to 4:11, not about distributing inheritance to ones children?
peace,
18:82 "As for the wall, it belonged to two orphaned boys in the city, and underneath it was a treasure for them, and their father was a good man, so your Lord wanted that they would reach their maturity and take out their treasure as a mercy from your Lord.
here too, Allah's bondmen only gave his share of responsibility to the orphans.
we should keep in mind God does not say conflicting things. His words will not split humans into sects. His words will give only good tidings.
human interpretations only create sects / conflicts resulting bad happenings. in other words those who reject God take the meaning that benefits them materially. these meanings are beneficial only to a group of like-minded men, not to all mankind. no soul ever can reject God's words. rejects, only to its ruin.
4:11 the interpretation you have taken/made brings conflict. everyman / organisation / country get into conflict because of this interpretation i.e. take my share of property. whereas take my share of responsibility is a revelation from God to mankind. i am like everyone eager to know from you if there is any ayat that say take it. give it / spend is all in Quran.
revelation will be accepted only by men/women who fear God. this happened in all ages. righteous men guided by consciousness / God's words knows this brings peace / unity.
1=1 is correct, whereas 1=>1 is generous / giving (will unite us).
1=1 make us maths/scientific/machines. but, 1=>1 this generous in behaviour to mankind is possible only if we take Allah's guidance. this generous is beyond maths because it has no limits and is unique in context to context, man to man.
Allah's commandment cannot be done by us. if we accept His commandment only then He make us to live by it.
peace
Quote from: DrGm on August 10, 2013, 11:45:58 PM
4:11 the interpretation you have taken/made brings conflict. everyman / organisation / country get into conflict because of this interpretation i.e. take my share of property. whereas take my share of responsibility is a revelation from God to mankind. i am like everyone eager to know from you if there is any ayat that say take it. give it / spend is all in Quran.
Peace,
Again, what exactly are talking about? What conflict? What responsibility? What book are you reading?
Again, your translation of
حظ luck/fortune/share as "responsibilities" makes no sense.
An Arabic-English Lexicon: By Edward William Lane
حظ
حَظَّ حظ , sec. pers. حَظِظْتَ, (S, K,) aor. يَحَظُّ, (S,) inf. n. حَظٌّ, (K,) He was, or became, fortunate, or possessed of good fortune...
حَظٌّ حظ Fortune; or particularly good fortune; syn. جَدٌّ (S, Nh, Msb, K) and بَخْتٌ: (Nh:) and a share, portion, or lot: (S, Msb, K:) or particularly a share, portion, or lot, of something good or excellent...28:79...
قال said الذىن the ones ىرىدون desiring الحىاه the life الدنىا the world ىا O لىت would that لنا for us مثل like ما what اوتى was given قارون Qārūnu انه surely he لذو owner
حظ luck/fortune/share/portion عظىم mighty
Again, what were they envious above; his responsibilities or his wealth?
Again, is not 4:11 directed toward one's children then towards parents?
4 :11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in
اولادكم children yours ...
Again, what are you talking about and which words are you translating as what?
Again, answer the questions posted prior or if you don't know then simply say it?
Example: person dies leaves behind property (no will) who gets what exactly?
Likewise: person dies leaves behind debt; who get how much responsibilities?
1 daughter, brother/s
1 daughter, sister/s
1 daughter, sister/s, brother/s
2 daughter/s, brother/s
2 daughter/s, sister/s
2 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
3 daughter/s, brother/s
3 daughter/s, sister/s
3 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
daughter/s, son/s
daughter/s, son/s, brother
daughter/s, son/s, brothers
daughter/s, son/s, sister
daughter/s, son/s, sister/s, brother/s
daughter/s, son/s, sisters
father, daughter/s, son/s
father, husband, daughter/s, son/s
father, husband, son/s
father, husband/wife, 1 daughter
father, husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
father, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
father, sibling/s
father, wife, daughter/s, son/s
father, wife, son/s
husband, daughter/s, son/s
husband, son/s
husband/wife 3 daughter/s
husband/wife, 1 daughter
husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
husband/wife, sibling/s
mother, 1 daughter, brother/s
mother, 1 daughter, sister/s
mother, 1 daughter, sister/s, brother/s
mother, 1 sister
mother, 2 daughter/s, brother/s
mother, 2 daughter/s, sister/s
mother, 2 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, 2 sisters
mother, 3 daughter/s, brother/s
mother, 3 daughter/s, sister/s
mother, 3 daughter/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, 3 sisters
mother, brother/s
mother, daughter/s, son/s, brother
mother, daughter/s, son/s, brothers
mother, daughter/s, son/s, sister
mother, daughter/s, son/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, daughter/s, son/s, sisters
mother, father
mother, father, 1 daughter
mother, father, 2 daughter/s
mother, father, 3 daughter/s
mother, father, daughter/s, son/s
mother, father, husband
mother, father, husband, daughter/s, son/s
mother, father, husband, son/s
mother, father, husband/wife, 1 daughter
mother, father, husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
mother, father, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
mother, father, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
mother, father, son/s
mother, father, wife
mother, father, wife, daughter/s, son/s
mother, father, wife, son/s
mother, husband, daughter/s, son/s
mother, husband, son/s
mother, husband/wife, 1 daughter/s
mother, husband/wife, 2 daughter/s
mother, husband/wife, 3 daughter/s
mother, sister/s, brother/s
mother, son/s, brother
mother, son/s, brothers
mother, son/s, sister
mother, son/s, sister/s, brother/s
mother, son/s, sisters
mother, wife, daughter/s, son/s
mother, wife, son/s
mother/father, 1 daughter
mother/father, 2 daughter/s
mother/father, 3 daughter/s
mother/father, husband
mother/father, son/s
mother/father, wife
sister/s, brother/s
son/s, brother
son/s, brothers
son/s, sister
son/s, sister/s, brother/s
son/s, sisters
Everything is explicitly and clearly given in 4:11, 4:12, and 4:176 if one bothers to read carefully and study thoroughly not post random thoughts that pop into your heads which are no where stated in the book.
Peace
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 10, 2013, 12:46:04 PM
Peace -- and your point is exactly what pertaining to 4:11, not about distributing inheritance to ones children?
4 :11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours ...
Peace noon,
Children of yours - whose children Allah directs in 4:11? I believe it is directed at all the grown up males and females from among the near relations of the bereaved, for Allah shall not direct the weak offsprings of the deceased.
All duly grown up males and females are your children i.e, your progeny. Males will inherit the responsibilities twice as that of the females. This is the general rule and I am sticking to it. And in 4:12 Allah says while sharing your responsibilities
take care not to cause losses to any one's own financial position.
In what your wives leave, your share is 1/2, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a 1/4; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is 1/4, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get 1/8; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets 1/6; but if more than two, they share in 1/3; after payment of legacies and debts;
so that no loss is caused to any one. Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
If you take this into account, under such situation if a wealthy female could take the responsibility in addition to her own, there is no blame. Allah loves such actions. If another wealthy male relative comes forward to relieve the stress of the other relatives, it is not forbidden. Allah directs us not to be stingy while spending in the cause of Allah. Main thing here is not to leave the bereaved family dry and abandoned.
Do not you see this? What these ayats are all about? All shall take part in this with expanded heart in the cause of Allah. Then
shares become only as an induction of your hearts into spending. From any angle I could see from Quran it is impossible to take away others wealth but to give and help as zakah- to give of your wealth to purify your souls - and sadaqa, - to give of your wealth to please Allah. It is absolutely impalpable to my senses as to how one could reach up to such explanations. Taking away the wealth is far from any Quranic context.
Noon Waalqalami, I appreciate your vast work in this shares, but in the end if it does not fit the purity of Quran and its purpose? Only with regard to the poor family Allah marks share of responsibilities as a means and measure towards zakah and sadaqa so that your life will not suffer in the end.
"Let those have the same fear in their minds as they would have for their own if they had left a helpless family behind: Let them fear Allah, and speak words of appropriate.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 11, 2013, 05:12:03 AM
Children of yours - whose children Allah directs in 4:11? I believe it is directed at all the grown up males and females from among the near relations of the bereaved, for Allah shall not direct the weak offsprings of the deceased.
All duly grown up males and females are your children i.e, your progeny. Males will inherit the responsibilities twice as that of the females. This is the general rule and I am sticking to it.
Peace drfazl,
1. The word used is share (of inheritance) and not responsibility or debt
a) $1 or $100K or $900K according to you an only daughter pays half!2. The verse is pertaining to your children drfazl and not others children
3. The verse is pertaining to your parents drfazl and not others parents
Quote from: drfazl on August 11, 2013, 05:12:03 AM
And in 4:12 Allah says while sharing your responsibilities take care not to cause losses to any one's own financial position.
In what your wives leave, your share is 1/2, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a 1/4; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is 1/4, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get 1/8; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets 1/6; but if more than two, they share in 1/3; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused to any one. Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
If you take this into account, under such situation if a wealthy female could take the responsibility in addition to her own, there is no blame. Allah loves such actions. If another wealthy male relative comes forward to relieve the stress of the other relatives, it is not forbidden. Allah directs us not to be stingy while spending in the cause of Allah. Main thing here is not to leave the bereaved family dry and abandoned.
"left neither ascendants nor descendants?" Where you get كلاله kalalah definition, hadith?
1. Again, what you write are not stated in verse nor is responsibilities or debt in verse
2. The verse is pertaining to what your spouse leaves you drfazl and not anyone else
3. The verse is pertaining to what you leave your spouse drfazl and not anyone else
Quote from: drfazl on August 11, 2013, 05:12:03 AM
Do not you see this? What these ayats are all about? All shall take part in this with expanded heart in the cause of Allah. Then shares become only as an induction of your hearts into spending. From any angle I could see from Quran it is impossible to take away others wealth but to give and help as zakah- to give of your wealth to purify your souls - and sadaqa, - to give of your wealth to please Allah. It is absolutely impalpable to my senses as to how one could reach up to such explanations. Taking away the wealth is far from any Quranic context.
Noon Waalqalami, I appreciate your vast work in this shares, but in the end if it does not fit the purity of Quran and its purpose? Only with regard to the poor family Allah marks share of responsibilities as a means and measure towards zakah and sadaqa so that your life will not suffer in the end.
"Let those have the same fear in their minds as they would have for their own if they had left a helpless family behind: Let them fear Allah, and speak words of appropriate.
See what exactly? What you write is nowhere stated in verses.
Perhaps you show us a simple example say which verse to use:
1. man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters (see 4:2-6) a) the man left property $100k who gets how much?
b) the man left property $900k who gets how much?
2. man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters a) the man leaves a debt $100k who pays how much?
b) the man leaves a debt $900k who pays how much?
Everything that is needed as in above is clearly stated; read carefully in context...
4:1 ىا O اىها dear/you الناس the humankind اتقوا fear yeh ربكم lord yours الذى the one خلقكم created you من from نفس soul واحده one وخلق and created منها from it زوجها zawjahā/spouse its وبث and dispersed منهما from them both رجالا men كثىرا much of ونساء and women واتقوا and fear yeh الله the god الذى the one تساءلون you asking به with it والارحام and the wombs (i.e. blood relations) ان surely الله the god كان he is علىكم over you رقىبا watchful
4:2 واتوا and give yeh الىتامى the orphans اموالهم wealth theirs ولا and not تتبدلوا exchange الخبىث the bad بالطىب with the good ولا and not تاكلوا thou eat/consume yeh اموالهم wealth theirs الى to اموالكم wealth yours انه surely it كان it is حوبا sin كبىرا great of
4:3 وان and if خفتم fear you الا that not تقسطوا do justice yeh فى in/concerning الىتامى the orphans فانكحوا so marry yeh ما what طاب lawful (of age, agree, etc.) لكم for you من from النساء the women مثنى paired/twos وثلاث and three ورباع and group of four فان so if خفتم fear you الا that not تعدلوا do justice yeh فواحده so one او or ما what ملكت possess thou اىمانكم right hands/oaths/commitments (use context, those offered shelter/protection) yours ذلك that ادنى minimum الا that not تعولوا oppress yeh
4:4 واتوا and give yeh النساء the women صدقاتهن handouts theirs نحله graciously فان so if طبن remit لكم for you عن about شىء thing منه from it نفسا soul of (freely/themselves) فكلوه so eat/consume it هنىىا satisfaction مرىىا ease
4:5 ولا and not توتوا give السفهاء the foolish اموالكم wealth yours التى the one جعل made الله the god لكم for you قىاما standing/support وارزقوهم and provide yeh them فىها in it واكسوهم and clothe yeh them وقولوا and speak yeh لهم to them قولا word of معروفا kindness of
4:6 وابتلوا and test yeh الىتامى the orphans حتى until اذا when بلغوا attained they النكاح the marriage فان so if انستم perceive you منهم from them رشدا rational فادفعوا so deliver yeh الىهم to them اموالهم wealth theirs ولا and not تاكلوها eat/consume it اسرافا wastefully وبدارا and hastily ان lest/that ىكبروا grow up they ومن and from كان he is غنىا rich فلىستعفف so should refrain ومن and from كان he is فقىرا in need of فلىاكل so let eat/consume بالمعروف in the fair manner فاذا so when دفعتم deliver you الىهم to them اموالهم wealth theirs فاشهدوا so witness yeh علىهم upon/over them وكفى and sufficient بالله in the god حسىبا reckoner
4:7 للرجال to the men نصىب share مما from what ترك left الوالدان the parents والاقربون and the close relatives وللنساء and for the women نصىب share مما from what ترك left الوالدان the parents والاقربون and the close relatives مما from what قل small منه from it او or كثر large نصىبا share of مفروضا obligatory
4:8 واذا and when حضر comes القسمه the division اولو those القربى the relatives/near والىتامى and the orphans والمساكىن and the needy فارزقوهم so provide yeh them منه from it وقولوا and speak yeh لهم for them قولا word of معروفا kindness of
4:9 ولىخش and let fear الذىن the ones لو if تركوا left they من from خلفهم behind them ذرىه offspring ضعافا weak خافوا fear they علىهم over them فلىتقوا so let fear they الله the god ولىقولوا and to say they قولا word of سدىدا right
4:10 ان surely الذىن the ones ىاكلون eating/consuming اموال wealth الىتامى the orphans ظلما injustice of انما only ىاكلون eating فى in بطونهم bellies theirs نارا fire of وسىصلون and will be burning سعىرا a blaze
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours للذكر to the male مثل likeness حظ share الانثىىن the two (f. dual) فان so if كن are (f/p) نساء nisāan/women فوق above اثنتىن two (f) فلهن so for them (f/p) ثلثا third dual (2/3) ما what ترك left وان and if كانت kanat/she is واحده wāhidatan/one (f/s) فلها so for her النصف the half ولابوىه wali-abawayhi/and to parents his/deceased لكل to each واحد one منهما from them both السدس the sixth مما from what ترك left ان if كان kana/he is (m/s) له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if male child born i.e. son) فان so if لم not ىكن was له for him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وورثه and heirs ابواه parents his (if only parents heirs) فلامه so to mother his/deceased الثلث the third فان so if كان kana/he is (m/s) له for him/deceased اخوه ikh'wat/brethren (if male sibling i.e. brother) فلامه so to mother his/deceased السدس the sixth من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى have made بها in it او or دىن judgment اباوكم fathers yours وابناوكم and children yours لا not تدرون thou knowing اىهم which of them اقرب closer لكم to you نفعا benefit of فرىضه obligation من from الله the god ان surely الله the god كان he is علىما knowledge of حكىما wisdom of
4:12 ولكم and for you نصف half ما what ترك left ازواجكم azwājukum/spouses yours ان if لم not ىكن was لهن for them (f/p) ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كان kana/he is (m/s) لهن for them ولد walad/born (if male child born i.e. son) فلكم so to you الربع the fourth مما from what تركن left they من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصىن made they بها in it او or دىن judgment ولهن and for them الربع the fourth مما from what تركتم left you ان if لم not ىكن was لكم for you ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كان kana/he is (m/s) لكم for you ولد walad/born (i.e. if male born/son) فلهن so to them الثمن the eight مما from what تركتم left you من from بعد after وصىه a will توصون made they بها in it او or دىن judgment وان and if كان kana/he is (m/s) رجل man ىورث inherited كلاله kalalah/fatherless and spouse-less (deceased left no crown/head of household) او or امراه im'ra-atun/lady وله and to him/deceased اخ brother او or اخت sister فلكل so to each واحد one منهما from them both السدس the sixth فان so if كانوا were they اكثر more/greater من from ذلك that فه so they مشركاء partners فى in الثلث the third من from بعد after وصىه a will ىوصى is recommended بها in it او or دىن judgment غىر other than مضار harmful وصىه a will من from الله the god والله and the god علىم knower حلىم forbear-er...
4:176 ىستفتونك they seek ruling yours قل say الله the god ىفتىكم gives a ruling you فى in الكلاله al-kalalah/the fatherless and spouse-less (the no head of household/crown) ان if امرو person هلك perished لىس is not له to him/deceased ولد walad/born (if no child) وله and to him/deceased اخت sister فلها so for her نصف half ما what ترك left وهو and he ىرثها inherits it ان if لم not ىكن was لها for her ولد walad/born (if no child) فان so if كانتا were (f) اثنتىن two (f) فلهما so to them both الثلثان the third dual (2/3) مما from what ترك left وان and if كانوا were they اخوه ikh'watun/siblings رجالا rijālan/men ونساء wanisāan/and women فللذكر so to the male مثل like حظ share الانثىىن the two (f. dual) ىبىن shows الله the god لكم for you ان lest تضلوا stray yeh والله and the god بكل in every شىء thing علىم know-er
Peace
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 11, 2013, 01:57:18 PM
Peace drfazl,
1. The word used is share (of inheritance) and not responsibility or debt
a) $1 or $100K or $900K according to you an only daughter pays half!
2. The verse is pertaining to your children drfazl and not others children
3. The verse is pertaining to your parents drfazl and not others parents
Peace noon
You are mistakenly reading translations of human beings as Quran. You are reading the sentences men had translated thinking you are reciting the verses of Allah. And your involvement in the words of men and the literal meaning they carry is too deep.
I am not fault-finding; just saying the painful reality that has taken heavy toll on the entire humanity. Whoever has taken Quran by translation, or, he may even be a born classical Arabian, he and everyone are just humans having sinful mind and obsession with the worldly pleasure and amusements. From the lofty heavenly life we had fallen as earthy ones. Arabians are as mundane as any other earthling.
What Allah says regarding the Quran and Straight Path is 55:4 Allah created man and it is He who would explain Quran to him. In such explanations are the Guidance. Who can Reveal the Quran, but Allah? Opt and wait for Allah's Revelations until it is completed on you for any single ayat. Until it is completed on you try not reciting but keep rehearsing. Once you are sure you had experienced the Truth in physical life, it is that the verse is completed on you and now you can speak.
But you are asking me a question who else can teach other than hadith-sayers ?
"left neither ascendants nor descendants?" Where you get كلاله kalalah definition, hadith?Whatever question you have been asking for so repeatedly have got answers in all my posts if only you pause to ponder for a second. Yet you ask for a simple example. We are poles apart here in understanding and comprehension :
1. Again, what you write are not stated in verse nor is responsibilities or debt in verse
2. The verse is pertaining to what your spouse leaves you drfazl and not anyone else
3. The verse is pertaining to what you leave your spouse drfazl and not anyone else
See what exactly? What you write is nowhere stated in verses.
Perhaps you show us a simple example say which verse to use:
1. man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters (see 4:2-6)
a) the man left property $100k who gets how much?
b) the man left property $900k who gets how much?
2. man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 underage daughters
a) the man leaves a debt $100k who pays how much?
b) the man leaves a debt $900k who pays how much?3 years daughter, $100K, 900K all these things are not in the verses. As relatives our business is to sustain the family of wife and children. As to the money left with the family, the mother will take full care of. It is none of our business.
Peace
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 12, 2013, 01:02:53 AM
You are mistakenly reading translations of human beings as Quran. You are reading the sentences men had translated thinking you are reciting the verses of Allah. And your involvement in the words of men and the literal meaning they carry is too deep.
Peace drfazl, I'm asking you to explain which you refuse to answer or do not know the answer:
1. your translation of
حظ luck/fortune/share as "responsibilities" makes no sense; where you get that from?
2. your translation of
كلاله kalalah as "left neither ascendants nor descendants" -- where you get that from?
Perhaps help explain to Leonardo as well: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605652.0
Quote from: drfazl on August 12, 2013, 01:02:53 AM
Whatever question you have been asking for so repeatedly have got answers in all my posts if only you pause to ponder for a second. Yet you ask for a simple example. We are poles apart here in understanding and comprehension :
No, you have not answered and only re-posted questions.
Quote from: drfazl on August 12, 2013, 01:02:53 AM
3 years daughter, $100K, 900K all these things are not in the verses. As relatives our business is to sustain the family of wife and children. As to the money left with the family, the mother will take full care of. It is none of our business.
The book is explicit the parents and girls get their prescribed shares?
What happens to inheritance if they're only underage girls and boys?
What happens to underage girls inheritance if the mother remarries?
What if all adults how much responsibility 3 daughters pay, 2/3 debt?
1. man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 grown daughters a) the man left property $100k who gets how much?
b) the man left property $900k who gets how much?
2. man perishes leaving only his parents, a wife, and 3 grown daughters a) the man leaves a debt $100k who pays how much?
b) the man leaves a debt $900k who pays how much?
If you are going to postulate and make assumptions then answer the questions.
Peace
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 12, 2013, 07:17:27 AM
Peace drfazl, I'm asking you to explain which you refuse to answer or do not know the answer:
If you are going to postulate and make assumptions then answer the questions.
Peace
Peace noon,
I humbly submit to you you would see all answers are explicitly explained already. Please revisit all the posts. Please you must have a fresh mind to appreciate. But when you say I am postulating assumption you are predisposed to denying again.
May Allah Bless Is All
drfazl
To be free from the Painful diseases more such diseases
Most of us do pray God for our diseases and afflictions but nothing good happens at all. As a result most of us are disillusioned with the God is the truth. This is because we do not consider ourselves as servants of God. When God says I had taken your wealth and lives in exchange for the heavens so that you rejoice in this trade 9:111, we have taken back our money from Him and have returned the paradise to Himself. So we are here in the most difficult life, hell embracing us from every gate away around. The only way now to get back the life of paradise is to spend from what Allah had blessed us and from what He had brought forth for from the land. But our pride and arrogance rests upon the wealth and properties we amass for our entire future.
Our fear is that if we spend our money from our savings and balance we would lose our rich status and lose our dignity and grace with the people, while Allah says "All dignity belong to Me!" This stand of arrogance is enough in the eyes of Allah to place seal on our hearts that we shall not find a way out from our sufferings and every effort we make towards freeing ourselves from the punishment in hell will cause more pain. Every single disease shall become chronic and more severe in manifestation with its spill over effect involving more and more parts of the body. We will not find the way to Allah even when the doctors say nothing can be done. All the balance would go down the drain until we are washed off, and stand alone disgracefully.
If we are boastful or arrogant it s because of our feeling of being rich and we feel we are self sufficient for all time to come. We are so proud to feel we too are needless as God Himself is! The most evil nature of this is we do not even become aware of this feeling to know we are doing a great sin for our hearts are sealed to see our own peril. Finally as the Hour nears and we are seized suddenly we would lose all hopes and see no way except the way worse.
And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them more from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will
punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper 4:173
It is all easy now to save us from the painful afflictions and diseases in this world: all that we have to do is to remove or to spend in the righteous way that section of people, or that part of the money which gives us pride and arrogance. Never go to doctors and spend money worthlessly. Follow this in the name of Allah, there are no diseases and afflictions at home. And the existing chronic diseases and other sufferings would also be cured.
O God, make me humble
Teach me humility
Take away my pride: and
Bless me with Ample Kindness.
With this prayer in mind start spending any money or time, it shall be rewarding in full by the Leave of Allah.
Free From Shaitans
None is so insensitive as to be unaware of the truth that every human is insincere, careless, indifferent, proud about self, envious, unkind, avenging, impatient, untruthful, lewd, irresolute, arrogant, transgressing, mischievous, hypocritical, not fearing God and disbelieving - exhibiting himself in varying degrees and proportions of every bit of satanic qualities in day to day life. Let one call himself to be a Muslim, a Jew, a Christian or be he a Sibean he is an embodiment of these nature.
Now we shall believe in the Name of Almighty, the Wise and the High would deliver us from the clutches of shaitan if we seek Forgiveness from Him; and Allah is sure to forgive if we turn to Him in the way we should turn to Him and seek His guidance, help and protection.
All our evil qualities earned us the evil from our own hands in the past, and in the present - and shall earn the same and more in the future. Even though most of the evil we do are forgiven what is continued to be added to our misery is much worse deeds because we are ungrateful to Allah even as He is forgiving.
And all the difficulties we undergo in the present life is just a minimal sample of what we had earned and we have been earning without let up both by way of mind and work. Yet when we suffer we put the blame on others. This is the heights of our evil. We have transgressed. 4:112. And whoever commits a fault or a sin, then accuses of it one innocent, he indeed takes upon himself the burden of a calumny and a manifest sin.
It is only at this point Allah allows certain of our evil to befall us as just recompense and for repentance. If we are to repent then try abstaining from the evil nature while at the same time seeking Allah's help in it. And put your trust in Him alone and commit not shirk or make not association to Allah while waiting for His Forgiveness and Grace. Allah accepts such gratitude and towards that He rewards.
Remove the avenging qualities in you for it is not only you put the blame on innocent but transgress all limits by setting forth on the path of irrecoverable self-destruction. God does not wrong a bit if this is your life.
Avenging is Allah's; not ours
Allah has ordained and decreed that what would befall you as afflictions in any of your bodily parts such as eye, nose, ear, tooth, wounds, or even to your lives, is the just payment for your own works. So blame not others; and avenge not others. But forgive those who paid you your recompense by the leave of Allah and seek forgiveness for them if you are true believers in Allah. This is the only way for our own sins to be forgiven and to make ourselves free from the clutches of shaitan's influence on us.
5:45. And We ordained on them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and that there is reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not abide by what Allah had decreed, those are they that are the unjust.
O God, give us Patience
And Be near us.
And make us do good deeds
And Be near us.
And make us God-fearing
And Be near us.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 17, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
Free From Shaitans
None is so insensitive as to be unaware of the truth that every human is insincere, careless, indifferent, proud about self, envious, unkind, avenging, impatient, untruthful, lewd, irresolute, arrogant, transgressing, mischievous, hypocritical, not fearing God and disbelieving - exhibiting himself in varying degrees and proportions of every bit of satanic qualities in day to day life. Let one call himself to be a Muslim, a Jew, a Christian or be he a Sibean he is an embodiment of these nature.
Now we shall believe in the Name of Almighty, the Wise and the High would deliver us from the clutches of shaitan if we seek Forgiveness from Him; and Allah is sure to forgive if we turn to Him in the way we should turn to Him and seek His guidance, help and protection.
All our evil qualities earned us the evil from our own hands in the past, and in the present - and shall earn the same and more in the future. Even though most of the evil we do are forgiven what is continued to be added to our misery is much worse deeds because we are ungrateful to Allah even as He is forgiving.
And all the difficulties we undergo in the present life is just a minimal sample of what we had earned and we have been earning without let up both by way of mind and work. Yet when we suffer we put the blame on others. This is the heights of our evil. We have transgressed. 4:112. And whoever commits a fault or a sin, then accuses of it one innocent, he indeed takes upon himself the burden of a calumny and a manifest sin.
It is only at this point Allah allows certain of our evil to befall us as just recompense and for repentance. If we are to repent then try abstaining from the evil nature while at the same time seeking Allah's help in it. And put your trust in Him alone and commit not shirk or make not association to Allah while waiting for His Forgiveness and Grace. Allah accepts such gratitude and towards that He rewards.
Remove the avenging qualities in you for it is not only you put the blame on innocent but transgress all limits by setting forth on the path of irrecoverable self-destruction. God does not wrong a bit if this is your life.
Avenging is Allah's; not ours
Allah has ordained and decreed that what would befall you as afflictions in any of your bodily parts such as eye, nose, ear, tooth, wounds, or even to your lives, is the just payment for your own works. So blame not others; and avenge not others. But forgive those who paid you your recompense by the leave of Allah and seek forgiveness for them if you are true believers in Allah. This is the only way for our own sins to be forgiven and to make ourselves free from the clutches of shaitan's influence on us.
5:45. And We ordained on them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and that there is reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not abide by what Allah had decreed, those are they that are the unjust.
O God, give us Patience
And Be near us.
And make us do good deeds
And Be near us.
And make us God-fearing
And Be near us.
drfazl
Its true and Totally submissive and surrendered to Lord otherwise I fall into 62:5.You have explained the Practical Application of 5:45 and how to use it to overcome sins. We had been thinking 5:45 for something else. No wits revealed.
104:1 and 49:12 fall into this. We should restrain pointing fingers at others instead we can point on self. That's better. I wish many change by Almighty's help by reading your message.
Quote from: drfazl on August 17, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
Avenging is Allah's; not ours
Allah has ordained and decreed that what would befall you as afflictions in any of your bodily parts such as eye, nose, ear, tooth, wounds, or even to your lives, is the just payment for your own works. So blame not others; and avenge not others. But forgive those who paid you your recompense by the leave of Allah and seek forgiveness for them if you are true believers in Allah. This is the only way for our own sins to be forgiven and to make ourselves free from the clutches of shaitan's influence on us.
5:45. And We ordained on them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and that there is reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not abide by what Allah had decreed, those are they that are the unjust.
O God, give us Patience
And Be near us.
And make us do good deeds
And Be near us.
And make us God-fearing
And Be near us.
drfazl
Quote from: jhonsonmustafa on August 18, 2013, 02:40:45 AM
Its true and Totally submissive and surrendered to Lord otherwise I fall into 62:5.You have explained the Practical Application of 5:45 and how to use it to overcome sins. We had been thinking 5:45 for something else. No wits revealed.
104:1 and 49:12 fall into this. We should restrain pointing fingers at others instead we can point on self. That's better. I wish many change by Almighty's help by reading your message.
peace,
i second that. 'avenging is Allah's; not ours.'
peace
Losing ground, best of luck, idols - black magic
Allah is ever watchful of all that we have in our breasts much against His Will and Command and knows all that we speak and do against His words. First, it is the command from Allah that reaches our souls as His blessings for the life to come. The grace and elegance of the blessings one receives depends on his quality and character in unison with Allah's attributes. The more one follows the attributes of Allah with faith in Him, on every demanding occasion, our grades are elevated with more of His attributes becoming naturally inherent in our souls. This is the reward from the Most High, for our striving in following Allah's ordainments.
Allah's command is this: In any situation of difficulty believe and remember Me as the Only Helper, Guide, Revealer, Judge, Protector, Deliverer, Provider, Bringer of good news and Warner. And believe and remember Me alone in your Peace and Prosperity as: a keen Watcher, a Seer, a Sayer, a Warner, a Punisher, a Redeemer, the most Forgiving and such of His attributes; and fear Him to set up partners with Him. Your feet are strengthened in the glorious straight path to Victory.
But most people while being placed in a life of peace and prosperity they attribute such life to their own intelligence and hard work. This is arrogance before God. They fail to understand that intelligence is empowerment with abstract easiness granted by God, while their hard work is marring the work of intelligence and spoiling the fruits it should bear for them. So in their lives would be suffering with easiness; surely, suffering with easiness is their life. This is their just payment for what their own hands have wrought. It seems they have all sorts of fruits but none is ripe. Eating them brings them only harm instead of any good. They earn money with their arrogance against intelligence but it cannot give them comfort to mind or save them from the discomfort of pain and sufferings. They might possess everything in the world and a similar part added to it, yet, spending them all shall never free them from pain and disaster.
This is because when the money is garbage before their God endowed wisdom, intelligence and easiness, they valued the money more, they earn through their hard work of plotting, and devising with their people night and day against the wisdom of easiness; they understand not all their works are against their own good as long as they are proud and arrogant and deem God as null.
Their worldly knowledge and their people; and their brut physical force is their intoxicant, that caused them an illusion that with the money they could achieve every comfort in the world, while the truth is all comforts will be lost in the end, with an unending suffering to pursue them. This is happening in every hospital for the so called rich, sophisticated and elite; but the worst part is they shall not understand unless God will. The truth is they had gone far astray into deep darkness, they are deaf and blind. The evil of intoxication has possessed their entire mental faculty that they cannot see the way or hear the call to Allah.
The life of these people has entirely become 'a game of chance or good luck or best of luck' and never would they believe or wish to lead a life what God had placed in their hearts because it is beyond their comprehension; nor would they accept or tolerate when evil befall them in their play of good luck. 4:143 Wavering between them. And whoever Allah leaves astray - never will you find for him a way.
They are believers in what is dead or that which is decaying and decomposing - their knowledge! Since they have become deaf, blind and dumb, they had to take their likes as Gods that are deaf, blind and dumb such as idols as guided by their master shaitan. With idol worshiping their life in both the worlds have ended. They resort to evil ways of living falling prey to shaitan's inducements such as voodoo, witchcraft or tantric and all sorts of weird unsocial practices, until they reach their altars.
5:90 O you who believe! Intoxicants and games of best-of-luck and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed. Satan seeks only to cast among you enmity and hatred by means of intoxicants and games of good luck, and to turn you from remembrance of Allah and following Him. Will you then abstain?
dr fazl
Rejoice when a word of New Chapter is Blessed on you
Once or twice in a year we are being tested by Allah with some sort of affliction and losses: of lives properties and the fruits of all your efforts. These are the ayats of Quran from chapters 9:126 and 2:155.
These ayats give us the good news that it is Allah who delivers us from such calamities as we calm down to an atmosphere of patience and composure from the turmoil in the heart. And but for His Help we would not have had that patience to compose ourselves to receive Allah's nearness to us. Most of us fail to see this Mercy of Allah who gave us patience so that He can be with us; and that it is He who gave us composure of mind so that we become aware of His Help and be grateful to Him thereafter, guarding ourselves against evil ways of living. But we are neither grateful to Him; nor do we correct and guard seeking Allah's Help. Yet, we were aggressors and continue to be transgressing the limits of forbearance.
It is time we remembered the 2:155 that keeps happening in our lives countless times breaking our hearts to pieces to the point of certain death and in all those events Allah brought comfort to the heart and gave us renewed life. We were given sleep and He made us die and then He brought us back to life with a wholesome heart. We become normal with composed mind. Keep reminiscing the ayats and appropriate it with the events happening in our lives and only then will we know, how grateful should we be for all the Mercy and Forgiveness Allah has been bestowing upon us.
Likewise each time a chapter of new life emerges for us in accordance with the words of Allah, the faithful has increased levels of faith. But with the people who remember not; nor reminisce are far away from His Grace. Such people ask: 9:126. And whenever a chapter is revealed, there are some of them who say: Which of you has it strengthened in faith? Then as for those who believe, it strengthens them in faith and they are well contended.
Those who cannot remember may turn to their hearts now and listen to what it says and see the changes happening in their hearts. The more you believe whatever good is in it, in the Name of the Creator who created it, is bound to unfold as events and as a new chapter in our lives. But if we go to the people to find a way for your evil, we will be plunged into a more disastrous state.
May Allah Guide us From Earth up to Heavens.
drfazl
Quote from: drfazl on August 23, 2013, 11:26:40 PM
Rejoice when a word of New Chapter is Blessed on you
Once or twice in a year we are being tested by Allah with some sort of affliction and losses: of lives properties and the fruits of all your efforts. These are the ayats of Quran from chapters 9:126 and 2:155.
These ayats give us the good news that it is Allah who delivers us from such calamities as we calm down to an atmosphere of patience and composure from the turmoil in the heart. And but for His Help we would not have had that patience to compose ourselves to receive Allah's nearness to us. Most of us fail to see this Mercy of Allah who gave us patience so that He can be with us; and that it is He who gave us composure of mind so that we become aware of His Help and be grateful to Him thereafter, guarding ourselves against evil ways of living. But we are neither grateful to Him; nor do we correct and guard seeking Allah's Help. Yet, we were aggressors and continue to be transgressing the limits of forbearance.
May Allah Guide us From Earth up to Heavens.
drfazl
This is a new lease of realisation and this could be possible if only we acceptQuote from: drfazl on August 17, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
Free From Shaitans
All our evil qualities earned us the evil from our own hands in the past, and in the present - and shall earn the same and more in the future.Even though most of the evil we do are forgiven what is continued to be added to our misery is much worse deeds because we are ungrateful to Allah even as He is forgiving.
And all the difficulties we undergo in the present life is just a minimal sample of what we had earned and we have been earning without let up both by way of mind and work. Yet when we suffer we put the blame on others. This is the heights of our evil. We have transgressed. 4:112. And whoever commits a fault or a sin, then accuses of it one innocent, he indeed takes upon himself the burden of a calumny and a manifest sin.
drfazl
May Allah shower more and more realisations
May Allah bless us such that realisations become our nature and do not transgressRegards
BalaChandran
Die with Salam and Wake up with Salam
Make your Nights Powerful
There were many an instance in every individual's life, when fear strikes him with great apprehension and anxiety at which point he might even think that could be the end of his life. Such might have been his losses in livelihood, properties, wealth, lives of near ones; he anticipates a grave misfortune or a near catastrophe about to befall him.
Such apprehensions or occurrences in life is a continuous process in every one's life that happens once or twice in a year. Since these are only a test unto us from Allah, to check us from going far too astray from His path; the faster we are in the path of error, the greater is the impact when we are halted by Allah. This is the blessing in action from Him. In such situations whoever remembers this as a test from Allah; and by His grace, and by His leave sets his heart at peace, would say:
O God, our lives and our death 6:162
And our sacrifices in between
Is all Yours; and our return
Is unto You for sure.
O God, suffices Thee unto us
In calamities and distresses;2:155,156
Make our foothold firm in peace-
So true to Thy words, 41:30, 31
Thee shall send down Upon us
Our companion angels
That shall be our friends
Now, here and ever.
Whoso remembers such of these words, during testing times, and maintains calmness and peace at heart for Allah's sake, Allah takes him into His fold. And at that very moment he dies; and the next moment he is back on this life with faith purified and with increased belief in the Truth of Allah. This is the Light of Allah in which he sees no cloudiness, dimness or haziness at all about his future. And Allah has blessed him with His knowledge and wisdom. With this Light upon Light, he enters into a new chapter whereupon he shall suffer not losses, nor worry, nor shall he grieve ever.
And as to the one who has been of pride and arrogance before the onset of the testing period, and then, when a distress or calamity touches him, he becomes crest-fallen and drowns deep into the sea of worry and depression with layers above layers of darkness shrouding him. He should lose sense and sight of himself. Yet he tries all his useless means while drowning deeper and deeper.
There are thus two groups of people: one who wakes up with refreshed heart; these are the people who are given a fresh lease of life and a Light with which they start a new life with fresh outlook. These are the people whom Allah had guided. And there are other group of people who wake up every day with straitened, heavily burdened heart. Allah thus punishes the unbelievers.
Every day when you wake up from your sleep, you shall know if you are in the Light of Allah, or, in the grip of shaitan lurking in darkness. Make sure when you go to bed, your soul is going to be captured and you shall be put to death until the wake-up time, Al-Fajr, when your soul will be returned to you so that you shall complete your term of life in this earth prescribed for you. And guard your heart that it is at Salam by the mercy of Allah so that you will wake up by His grace and a Light from Him.
6:122.
Can he who was dead, to whom We gave Life, and a Light whereby he can live amongst men, be like him who is in the depths of darkness, from which he can never come out? Thus to those without faith their own deeds seem pleasing.
6:60.
It is He who takes your souls by night, and has knowledge of all that you have done by day: by day He raises you up again that your term appointed be fulfilled; In the end unto Him will be your return; then will He show you the truth of all that you did.
Do not fall asleep without getting Salam from Malayika by the leave of Most Merciful and may your hearts be expanded before sleep; then let the peaceful death for the Night happen. And it is refreshing in the morning with brightness in the eyes and with the Light of Allah in the heart. May your nights be full of Luminosity until Fajr - the wake up time. Make your Night of Deaths,
The Lailatul Qadr, The Powerful Nights. 97:1. Verily! We have sent down Salam in the night of Power...
97:5. Salam!... This until the wake-up time!
None can earn a single night of such Salam even if he strives for a thousand months i.e. all your lives.
Quote from: drfazl on August 28, 2013, 08:43:16 PM
Die with Salam and Wake up with Salam
Make your Nights Powerful
There were many an instance in every individual's life, when fear strikes him with great apprehension and anxiety at which point he might even think that could be the end of his life. Such might have been his losses in livelihood, properties, wealth, lives of near ones; he anticipates a grave misfortune or a near catastrophe about to befall him.
Such apprehensions or occurrences in life is a continuous process in every one's life that happens once or twice in a year. Since these are only a test unto us from Allah, to check us from going far too astray from His path; the faster we are in the path of error, the greater is the impact when we are halted by Allah. This is the blessing in action from Him. In such situations whoever remembers this as a test from Allah; and by His grace, and by His leave sets his heart at peace, would say:
O God, our lives and our death 6:162
And our sacrifices in between
Is all Yours; and our return
Is unto You for sure.
O God, suffices Thee unto us
In calamities and distresses;2:155,156
Make our foothold firm in peace-
So true to Thy words, 41:30, 31
Thee shall send down Upon us
Our companion angels
That shall be our friends
Now, here and ever.
Whoso remembers such of these words, during testing times, and maintains calmness and peace at heart for Allah's sake, Allah takes him into His fold. And at that very moment he dies; and the next moment he is back on this life with faith purified and with increased belief in the Truth of Allah. This is the Light of Allah in which he sees no cloudiness, dimness or haziness at all about his future. And Allah has blessed him with His knowledge and wisdom. With this Light upon Light, he enters into a new chapter whereupon he shall suffer not losses, nor worry, nor shall he grieve ever.
And as to the one who has been of pride and arrogance before the onset of the testing period, and then, when a distress or calamity touches him, he becomes crest-fallen and drowns deep into the sea of worry and depression with layers above layers of darkness shrouding him. He should lose sense and sight of himself. Yet he tries all his useless means while drowning deeper and deeper.
There are thus two groups of people: one who wakes up with refreshed heart; these are the people who are given a fresh lease of life and a Light with which they start a new life with fresh outlook. These are the people whom Allah had guided. And there are other group of people who wake up every day with straitened, heavily burdened heart. Allah thus punishes the unbelievers.
Every day when you wake up from your sleep, you shall know if you are in the Light of Allah, or, in the grip of shaitan lurking in darkness. Make sure when you go to bed, your soul is going to be captured and you shall be put to death until the wake-up time, Al-Fajr, when your soul will be returned to you so that you shall complete your term of life in this earth prescribed for you. And guard your heart that it is at Salam by the mercy of Allah so that you will wake up by His grace and a Light from Him.
6:122. Can he who was dead, to whom We gave Life, and a Light whereby he can live amongst men, be like him who is in the depths of darkness, from which he can never come out? Thus to those without faith their own deeds seem pleasing.
6:60. It is He who takes your souls by night, and has knowledge of all that you have done by day: by day He raises you up again that your term appointed be fulfilled; In the end unto Him will be your return; then will He show you the truth of all that you did.
Do not fall asleep without getting Salam from Malayika by the leave of Most Merciful and may your hearts be expanded before sleep; then let the peaceful death for the Night happen. And it is refreshing in the morning with brightness in the eyes and with the Light of Allah in the heart. May your nights be full of Luminosity until Fajr - the wake up time. Make your Night of Deaths, The Lailatul Qadr, The Powerful Nights.
97:1. Verily! We have sent down Salam in the night of Power...
97:5. Salam!... This until the wake-up time!
None can earn a single night of such Salam even if he strives for a thousand months i.e. all your lives.
Thanks for Posting
Quote from: drfazl on August 28, 2013, 08:43:16 PM
Die with Salam and Wake up with Salam
Make your Nights Powerful
There were many an instance in every individual's life, when fear strikes him with great apprehension and anxiety at which point he might even think that could be the end of his life. Such might have been his losses in livelihood, properties, wealth, lives of near ones; he anticipates a grave misfortune or a near catastrophe about to befall him.
Such apprehensions or occurrences in life is a continuous process in every one's life that happens once or twice in a year. Since these are only a test unto us from Allah, to check us from going far too astray from His path; the faster we are in the path of error, the greater is the impact when we are halted by Allah. This is the blessing in action from Him. In such situations whoever remembers this as a test from Allah; and by His grace, and by His leave sets his heart at peace, would say:
O God, our lives and our death 6:162
And our sacrifices in between
Is all Yours; and our return
Is unto You for sure.
O God, suffices Thee unto us
In calamities and distresses;2:155,156
Make our foothold firm in peace-
So true to Thy words, 41:30, 31
Thee shall send down Upon us
Our companion angels
That shall be our friends
Now, here and ever.
Whoso remembers such of these words, during testing times, and maintains calmness and peace at heart for Allah's sake, Allah takes him into His fold. And at that very moment he dies; and the next moment he is back on this life with faith purified and with increased belief in the Truth of Allah. This is the Light of Allah in which he sees no cloudiness, dimness or haziness at all about his future. And Allah has blessed him with His knowledge and wisdom. With this Light upon Light, he enters into a new chapter whereupon he shall suffer not losses, nor worry, nor shall he grieve ever.
And as to the one who has been of pride and arrogance before the onset of the testing period, and then, when a distress or calamity touches him, he becomes crest-fallen and drowns deep into the sea of worry and depression with layers above layers of darkness shrouding him. He should lose sense and sight of himself. Yet he tries all his useless means while drowning deeper and deeper.
There are thus two groups of people: one who wakes up with refreshed heart; these are the people who are given a fresh lease of life and a Light with which they start a new life with fresh outlook. These are the people whom Allah had guided. And there are other group of people who wake up every day with straitened, heavily burdened heart. Allah thus punishes the unbelievers.
Every day when you wake up from your sleep, you shall know if you are in the Light of Allah, or, in the grip of shaitan lurking in darkness. Make sure when you go to bed, your soul is going to be captured and you shall be put to death until the wake-up time, Al-Fajr, when your soul will be returned to you so that you shall complete your term of life in this earth prescribed for you. And guard your heart that it is at Salam by the mercy of Allah so that you will wake up by His grace and a Light from Him.
6:122. Can he who was dead, to whom We gave Life, and a Light whereby he can live amongst men, be like him who is in the depths of darkness, from which he can never come out? Thus to those without faith their own deeds seem pleasing.
6:60. It is He who takes your souls by night, and has knowledge of all that you have done by day: by day He raises you up again that your term appointed be fulfilled; In the end unto Him will be your return; then will He show you the truth of all that you did.
Do not fall asleep without getting Salam from Malayika by the leave of Most Merciful and may your hearts be expanded before sleep; then let the peaceful death for the Night happen. And it is refreshing in the morning with brightness in the eyes and with the Light of Allah in the heart. May your nights be full of Luminosity until Fajr - the wake up time. Make your Night of Deaths, The Lailatul Qadr, The Powerful Nights.
97:1. Verily! We have sent down Salam in the night of Power...
97:5. Salam!... This until the wake-up time!
None can earn a single night of such Salam even if he strives for a thousand months i.e. all your lives.
Gods Blessings on you. In fact I had a disturbed sleep and after reading your post again and again its refreshing my Heart.
Its great treasure in the hand right now and seeking Allah's help to implement this Ayath.
After reading word by word kindly clarify me.
Assuming a Person with dignified and recognized by Allah. Some of the points I have learnt from your earlier postings.
Does this Great Night will happen before actual Physical death happens. For example if a person at the age of 40 or 50 whatever the age, then the person is blessed till his tenure on earth plus the time period till Judgement.
Do you mean to say its the Blessings is a Advance token that he or she is blessed as Muslim and eligible for Heaven.
And be friendly with Malaika in this Physical world itself as you and I talk.
While Pondering Prophet Suleiman's life, He is be friendly with Malaika and Jinns. You mean to say Prophet Suleiman's is blessed
with this Great Nights. And almost all the Prophets and Messengers blessed with this Nights.
And coming back to basics how to sleep ? To practically wish to have the Greatest Nights what we have to do?.
1. Take Bath Read Quran before going to bed
2. Wear pure dress and make the bed clean
3. get away from all kind of emotions on anything ( wife, children, gold, business, parents , relations etc, job, money)
4. Do not entertain or engage sexual activities before going to sleep.
5. As you said "Do not sleep without salam from "malaika" .
6. Seek forgiveness.
7. Change thought processing as suitable to Allah
8. Removing Stinginess and being broad minded Spending Minded
9. Always Pondering Quran, Being Sujuthful, Avoinding Vanity, Proudness etc
Based on the best qualities if a person develops, the Greatest Night will happen before Actual Physical death takes place.
You mean to say, During the Greatest Night the person will be awake and Messenger "Ruhul Gudus" will appear in front
of the dignified person.
Quote from: jhonsonmustafa on August 29, 2013, 06:22:17 AM
Does this Great Night will happen before actual Physical death happens. For example if a person at the age of 40 or 50 whatever the age, then the person is blessed till his tenure on earth plus the time period till Judgement.
Peace
Jm
Please read my post Power of Night in the same thread and see if you can ask any further.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg323371#msg323371
May the Wise grace us
To Be Aware of Shaitan
Our path on the morrow starts in the mind with a wish for the future. Since mind is an abstract nature, the wish is also a natural abstract vision that blooms in the mind. When the mind receives a vision, it is the culmination of universal gathering; the gathering of universal energy in its elemental proportions as prescribed by The Lord of the Worlds, Allah. This is the Will of God sent down upon the minds of each individual in every new breath until death. Such is the entire life of man on earth with a mind housing the universal energy i.e. the Will of God on man. During every inspiration of breathing, we are born with 'renewed Will'.
No sooner His Will descended down upon us by a word 'Be' from Him, than we began to feel it as a beautiful Wish, essential for our physical life, so that our physical senses revel and relish in praise of God, and Revere Him in mind as, "All Praise and Glory be to the God of the Universes." And we know He is Almighty Power, and none but He could make the universal energy gather and form into an intended physical creation, fit for our physical nature. We are to be apprised of at this point that this world as a whole is such a physical creation, in which newer and newer creations for each man by His Will would enrich the beauty of nature in ever growing formation, expanding this world. If every man keeps His Wish in abstract nature, without imagining a shape or form to it, because he knows he cannot give shape to something that is abstract. For eg, we know there is mind in everybody but we can not give a shape or imagine a form to it. This is Wisdom of Allah.
Those who would not associate their vain and false imagination to any abstract Wish from God, they are men of understanding and are wise. They are humble before their God, for they do not associate any imagination to what God by His Wisdom and Power has designed a creation for them, when a will from Him had descended on them as their wish in abstract form.
In our hearts, as long as there is no association by way of imaginations to our Wish, God guides us all through our lives with grace and beauty. The trouble in our lives start only when we turn our backs to God and stay behind imagining. All imaginations are about the formed things of the dead-past that are already dead, or dying, or decomposing - and this is like wishing a life in the graveyard and it is a grave mistake. This is association of our deadly knowledge of the past to the heaven-ward wisdom blessed on us as abstract wish by God.
We tend to associate only when we become proud of the worldly knowledge we learnt from our deadly past. Allah loves not the proud and the arrogant. And chases them far away from His precincts. Such are the abandoned people who could never believe God at any point of their life. They would plead and cry before their imagined gods in agony and in misery - all their gods in men, in shaitans and their idols, until their lives are captured.
This is the work of Iblis, the leader of shaitan, the first order enemy of God, who became proud before His God and said thus: " As You have caused me to go astray I will certainly lie in wait for them in Your straight path."
If we follow only Allah's Will as our wish, and entrust the same with Him, He guides us in a path easy and full of beauty and make us enjoy the fruits of it all the way towards a glorious future. On the other hand shaitan lie in wait in this straight path of Allah to divert and distract you. Allah's test comes to everybody in His straight path, where Allah tests us with a sense of fear, hunger, losses in wealth, lives and properties. This is shaitan's 'lying in wait' point to distract us with his companions among our kinsfolk who would abduct us physically to doctors and all worldly ways of earning fortunes - thus deviating us from the straight path.
How shaitan deviates us? A closer look at the ayat 7:17 follows next.....
"Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and You shall not find most of them thankful."
Quote from: drfazl on September 03, 2013, 11:02:59 PM
To Be Aware of Shaitan
Our path on the morrow starts in the mind with a wish for the future. Since mind is an abstract nature, the wish is also a natural abstract vision that blooms in the mind. When the mind receives a vision, it is the culmination of universal gathering; the gathering of universal energy in its elemental proportions as prescribed by The Lord of the Worlds, Allah. This is the Will of God sent down upon the minds of each individual in every new breath until death. Such is the entire life of man on earth with a mind housing the universal energy i.e. the Will of God on man. During every inspiration of breathing, we are born with 'renewed Will'.
No sooner His Will descended down upon us by a word 'Be' from Him, than we began to feel it as a beautiful Wish, essential for our physical life, so that our physical senses revel and relish in praise of God, and Revere Him in mind as, "All Praise and Glory be to the God of the Universes." And we know He is Almighty Power, and none but He could make the universal energy gather and form into an intended physical creation, fit for our physical nature. We are to be apprised of at this point that this world as a whole is such a physical creation, in which newer and newer creations for each man by His Will would enrich the beauty of nature in ever growing formation, expanding this world. If every man keeps His Wish in abstract nature, without imagining a shape or form to it, because he knows he cannot give shape to something that is abstract. For eg, we know there is mind in everybody but we can not give a shape or imagine a form to it. This is Wisdom of Allah.
Those who would not associate their vain and false imagination to any abstract Wish from God, they are men of understanding and are wise. They are humble before their God, for they do not associate any imagination to what God by His Wisdom and Power has designed a creation for them, when a will from Him had descended on them as their wish in abstract form.
In our hearts, as long as there is no association by way of imaginations to our Wish, God guides us all through our lives with grace and beauty. The trouble in our lives start only when we turn our backs to God and stay behind imagining. All imaginations are about the formed things of the dead-past that are already dead, or dying, or decomposing - and this is like wishing a life in the graveyard and it is a grave mistake. This is association of our deadly knowledge of the past to the heaven-ward wisdom blessed on us as abstract wish by God.
We tend to associate only when we become proud of the worldly knowledge we learnt from our deadly past. Allah loves not the proud and the arrogant. And chases them far away from His precincts. Such are the abandoned people who could never believe God at any point of their life. They would plead and cry before their imagined gods in agony and in misery - all their gods in men, in shaitans and their idols, until their lives are captured.
This is the work of Iblis, the leader of shaitan, the first order enemy of God, who became proud before His God and said thus: " As You have caused me to go astray I will certainly lie in wait for them in Your straight path."
If we follow only Allah's Will as our wish, and entrust the same with Him, He guides us in a path easy and full of beauty and make us enjoy the fruits of it all the way towards a glorious future. On the other hand shaitan lie in wait in this straight path of Allah to divert and distract you. Allah's test comes to everybody in His straight path, where Allah tests us with a sense of fear, hunger, losses in wealth, lives and properties. This is shaitan's 'lying in wait' point to distract us with his companions among our kinsfolk who would abduct us physically to doctors and all worldly ways of earning fortunes - thus deviating us from the straight path.
How shaitan deviates us? A closer look at the ayat 7:17 follows next.....
"Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and You shall not find most of them thankful."
Peace Dr,
If man would not have imagined from the abstract will of God, our Earth would have been different in nature. i agree we imagine from what is already created, then try to invent dead things like machines, hybrid crops/animals, medicines/operations to remove/ change organs, mixing the appearance of the creation.
Man took pride from the knowledge he got, by the leave of Allah by observing His creation. This knowledge lead him into the abyss of pride, befriend Iblees. this knowledge lead us to destruction of Earth and its bounties, in life forms and deteriorating living conditions and human qualities. man is destroying the Earth his home by interfering with his knowledge.
man argue: "yes, there is harm in all the inventions but look for the good things also in it. because of this knowledge/invention we feel good, able to live better, etc., " where as the good things in it are God's grace to protect His believers; only the bad is by his inventions. In Quran, i believe God asks to ponder His creations. instead of pondering, we imagined. instead of having patience to see the creation to take shape to fulfill our wish by Allah's will. we in haste transgressed, interfered and brought wrath and misery to ourselves.
agriculture, organisation, medical, machinery, politics, etc to name a few. in everything we can see machinations. whoever take the straight path of Allah, can see the knowledge as blocks. for others the knowledge is shown beautiful/ deception. the pride is the veil which cannot differentiate good from bad.
i believe that only seeking forgiveness from Allah will take us safe journey from human inventions. there is no go, unless we follow our heart/God's guidance.
all the beautiful creations are the result of few individuals who took the will of God in its abstract form as it is. if we all are to take the will of God in its abstract form without our imagination, newer and newer creations never ending that relish our nature will come into existence by Allah's leave.
peace
Shaitan Blocks Your Straight Path From Before
Future is our entire life ahead of us. Allah has forgiven all our evil past as evidenced by our hearing His glad tidings with respect to our future such as: "You shall lead a peaceful life free from all worries, fear and grief." A believer shall never doubt this promise of his God, for He would not say or cause one to believe what is not true. Belief in such dictum is possible only if we remind ourselves and remember God with gratitude that all the good that happened in our life is not due to what we worked with our hands using our arrogant knowledge but by all superior force beyond; and by the same touch-stone we shall get it clear that every worry and hardship we suffer is the work of our own hands, the use of material knowledge with pride.
What we understand by our knowledge is that that which we are already in the know of by way of bad experiences of our past or by hearsay or otherwise such as believing what is common-practice. Truthfully abiding, we have no standing to believe in knowledge for it always is a gamble. We can only say 'let us
believe it works out' and never can we say 'let us achieve' the life free from worry, fear and grief using the means of human knowledge. The peaceful life is the promise of God ordained upon each man to guard until he dies; and that is possible only if one believes in the Unseen wisdom and the Power of Allah, beyond the meanest minuscule sphere of knowledge, given to man as a deception and grievous test unto him.
As one embarks on a trial, he slips and fails and fails until he stumbles on a half-hearted knowledge, that does not serve in the least the purpose of a peaceful life. Allah does not love those who are proud before Him. And God chased shaitan away as despised and cursed for the same reason. Repeated failures in efforts is an indication, we have pride in us, induced by shaitan and God is not leading us anymore; now shaitan who has been there lying-in-wait until God abandons us so that he
leads the way before us, aggressively by the pride of our knowledge with no humility.
With the very first signs of failures we should have become awakened to the truth that
shaitan had come before us; and we are being led towards a very disadvantageous, deadly misadventure, the worst example being today's nuclear knowledge, the zenith of all knowledge. The deadly dangerous proportions of it far outstrips the benefits of it.
Allah sets forth just one example of use of man's knowledge, the iron: 57:25. Certainly We sent Our prophets with clear arguments, and sent down with them the Book and the balance that men may conduct themselves with equity; and We have created the iron, wherein is great violence and advantages to men, and that Allah may know who helps Him and His apostles in the secret; surely Allah is Strong, Mighty.
Allah has created iron in which there is a great grievous violence and certain advantages to man; who can remove the great evil from it and bless in it of His grace and mercy? With man's knowledge what he had gained is painful destruction upon himself over peaceful existence by the mercy of God. It is Allah's design that the pride of man in the end would fail him mercilessly; his knowledge would never help him; neither would it protect him.
And another example Allah had explained is the intoxicants, the worst evils of which Allah alone can remove and replace it with enrichment in life force. Likewise, in every material Allah had created has great dangers which will come to the fore when man is arrogantly turns His back to God, boasting his knowledge over His mercy and wisdom. Man cannot relish God created healthy food, fruits and vegetables anymore but the genetically maimed and evil generated unsightly and grossly disfigured poisonous substances. This is because they followed the knowledge with excitement in their pride i.e. the inducement of shaitan.
Here is what shaitan said to His God:
"And most certainly I will lead them astray and excite in them vain desires, and bid them so that they shall slit the ears of the cattle, and most certainly I will bid them so that they shall alter Allah's creation; and whoever takes the Shaitan for a guardian rather than Allah he indeed shall suffer a manifest loss." 4:119
As shaitan comes before us we shall become aware of it, when failure after failure befall us with loss of all hopes of survival. When we begin to lose our hopes for tomorrow, we withdraw from all our vain efforts and knowledge and turn to return to Allah seeking peace and forgiveness. Surely we shall find Allah as Oft-Returning, Merciful.
Next: how shaitan comes from behind:
7:17. "Then I will certainly come to them from before them and
from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and You shall not find most of them thankful."
fazl
Quote from: drfazl on September 05, 2013, 04:01:24 AM
Shaitan Blocks Your Straight Path From Before
Future is our entire life ahead of us. Allah has forgiven all our evil past as evidenced by our hearing His glad tidings with respect to our future such as: "You shall lead a peaceful life free from all worries, fear and grief." A believer shall never doubt this promise of his God, for He would not say or cause one to believe what is not true. Belief in such dictum is possible only if remind ourselves and remember God with gratitude that all the good that happened in our life is not due to what we worked with our hands using our knowledge but by some superior force beyond; and by the same touch-stone we shall get it clear that every worry and hardship we suffer is the work of our own hands, the use of material knowledge.
fazl
Peace Dr Fazl.
This reminds me of the verse: 17:83
And when We bestow Our Grace on man, he turns away and behaves proudly, far away from the Right Path. And when evil touches him he is in great despair.
My understanding:
Whenever man becomes proud, Shaitan becomes his best friend, misguiding and leading him to destruction.
God grants me knowledge, which is a miniscule of His wisdom, I become proud and start thinking that I can do anything, I can achieve anything. Shaitaan makes this look good to me as self-belief and self-confidence, courage, etc. Thus I commit the crime of association. I associate / equal myself, my knowledge, to God and His wisdom. I start visualizing / imagining about the God given wish and will.
An example for human visualization and imagination are the bizarre, monstrous, ugly looking characters in the movie 'avatar'. An example for God's creation: eyes, nose, ears and lips alright, but each face is a unique creation, each different from the other. how a man who weighs 100 kilos or more. his gait is lithe and graceful, his weight spread evenly all over his body.
I become boastful and arrogant when something good happens in my life by the Grace of God and thus become ungrateful to Him. For eg. when I have a baby, I congratulate myself and allow others to celebrate and congratulate me as if I accomplished something great. This way I incur God's wrath and curse upon me for my ingratitude.
All that can be seen is knowledge.
All that cannot be seen is WISDOM. God, lifeforce, faith, mind...
My current knowledge is insufficient to solve my problems like: mental agony, physical distress, monetary worries and other fears.
My only solution for salvation: I must be humble to God to constantly increase my clarity and also help me to believe in His Guidance for every breath of my life. This Guidance is His Grace, giving birth to fresh and new wisdom, day after day. As the good in my life is invisible as of now but is about to unfold and flower beautifully in a way beyond my imagination and unthinkably powerful and everlasting.
Gita
Peace
Yes Gita, the more you believe you, the less you remember of Allah and the least you are grateful to Him for all His blessings on you. Allah hates the proud and thus there every chance when we shall be left alone by Allah and let shaitan become our close companion; and he comes from before is to join hands with and lead us astray.
fazl
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg336579#msg336579
Shaitan Pulls Us From Behind
7:17. "Then I will certainly come to them from before them and
Quotefrom behind them
, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and You shall not find most of them thankful."
Even as a glad tiding reaches our soul or RUH from Allah as abstract blessing, our mind is made known of it. It is by a 'Be' from Allah, the blessing is placed in the RUH and the mind is informed of it about the same time, without a time lapse. Shaitan comes before, between God and us and charms us with his illusionary shape and form as to what that abstract blessing is. Definitely this is deception from shaitan that he makes us idolise imaginatively what otherwise could have beeb a beautiful life from Allah, if only we fall not to the idolising. By imagining we idolised what we do not know in truth, and thereafter follow the material and dead life, like chasing a mirage in hot pursuit. We are thus made idol worshipers by shaitan.
Our faces are now turned to our backs to start searching for the materials of the past world that is dead and gone, instead of firmly believing and looking forward to the Blessings of Allah which is dear and near. Once we idolise the blessings we have committed a sin upon us by turning our backs to it. Shaitan is there at our backs to conduct us into the world of utter deception. To make us know our wrong path and destination Allah shows His Signs often and off and on, from within us and without as anxiety and apprehensions; hitches and hurdles; and losses and failures in all our efforts in the path of error.
Shaitan now talks philosophy: "Failures are stepping stones to success" and furthers us deep into trouble to the point of despondency, dejection, depression and utter hopelessness. At this stage shaitan's business with us over and he leaves us for a while. Now he knows well we would seek help and protection from God, and he knows for sure, Allah's help shall never be there when all belief and hopes are lost. We can never turn to God with belief and hence we are far away astray. Yet Allah is merciful upon who has still the ability to think and ponder. Since we rejected and slighted all signs of God and this day, more than God's mercy, His wrath upon is greater. This is the recompense from God for us that we shall suffer in this world for a determined period with patience remembering God more and more, seeking forgiveness from Him before we are delivered from our troubles.
Shaitan keeps watching us all through and when the suffering period is about to be over, he comes around with certain ideas towards which we are pushed to act only to make us think and become proud that it is finally our own efforts that delivered us from such long sufferings and it is fruitless to seek only God's help without we doing our work for our good. This is where shaitan makes us become thankless to God, when it is from Him that a respite is in the offing. We are in for more trouble and it is very near. All this happens at our backs when we are turned away from God, idolising the 'abstract blessing' of God and started following shaitan following the idol we had imagined to God's beauteous life.
- Mindfully follow the soul; mind is unseen and soul too is unseen; and what is sowed in it as good is to be guarded as such
- Surely shaitan would induce into idolising the blessing; the imagination then is all about the worldly pleasures
- Never idolise what is a blessing for the future from God in an abstract form
- Believe in His blessings in its unseen nature, until it unfolds into manifestation for a lovely and lasting physical life
- Every idol will perish and self-destruct and so all your efforts in their pursuit will meet the dead-end when you shall suffer losses in wealth, lives and properties
- Allah gives us no choice but to turn to Him alone with patience whether we like it or not, for respite and relief
- When the period of suffering is about to end, we are given a new wisdom and knowledge which you are going to work with that should deliver of your short testing period
- This is the crucial point to stop and think why this easy way has not occurred to our mind before and how come now it had dawned upon us? Then we would have got the answer that this is delivery from God for our patience and seeking help from Him. This is show of thanks to God
- If we fail to think this, it is because of the pride to say to the world: I did come over my obstacles because of my sheer hard work and self confidence
- Thus we become companions of shaitan
fazl
Next: shaitan comes from the right-hand side and the left-hand side
Quote from: drfazl on September 05, 2013, 04:01:24 AM
Shaitan Blocks Your Straight Path From Before
Allah sets forth just one example of use of man's knowledge, the iron: 57:25. Certainly We sent Our prophets with clear arguments, and sent down with them the Book and the balance that men may conduct themselves with equity; and We have created the iron, wherein is great violence and advantages to men, and that Allah may know who helps Him and His apostles in the secret; surely Allah is Strong, Mighty.
fazl
I have been pondering this Ayath for long time. Thinking for long time why GOD suddenly talking about Iron for it looks like disconnected. But by Heaart the words of GOD can never be disconnected.Now the time has come for revelation.
Thanks for the explanation Drfazl. God Bless you.
Quote from: drfazl on August 29, 2013, 07:14:14 AM
Peace
Jm
Please read my post Power of Night in the same thread and see if you can ask any further.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg323371#msg323371
May the Wise grace us
Wonderful. I read 3 times. Each time I read the meaning is expanding. GOD is great by HIS creation. Thank Yoi.
Be Aware If Allah, Or Shaitan Before You
7:17. "
Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and You shall not find most of them thankful."
Allah is ever grateful to man if he shows his gratitude to Him alone. The show of Allah's gratitude to us is His help in increasing our faith in Him manifold with peace. Faith is a combination of unwavering belief and absolute obedience totally surrendering to His words of solace.
In our entire lives, in every moment of our living Allah breathes into our RUH, His Will of good fortune upon which we shall have Faith, by His Name The Truthful, The Trustworthy. Every single elemental aspect of a Will from Him is the ensemble of entire cosmic creative force in abstract form. Allah alone can make manifest and reveal further as to what blessed nature would they arborise and ramify as they assemble into, from the moment the Will is breathed in the RUH, to as long as they live - in this earth and thereafter. All what Allah expects from a believer is that he shall believe and accept His Will as it is given to his mind, as his wishful tomorrow in the abstract form and never give a tangible imagination to it, and that he shall not assume or create what Allah has intended for him.
If he does so, he is imagining a false idol. He has changed Allah's Will and blessing to the worldly things of pleasure and he starts worshiping the idol and desiring for it at any cost.
This is the work of shaitan who comes before us between our future and the present. He allures us with the worldly things of pleasures embodying and equating Allah's Will to the vanities of mean desires.
Allah warns us not to advance before Him, in our hastiness towards our desires for, it is allowing shaitan to come before us to lead us to the evil enchanted world. Allah's way is always easy and smooth with beauty and grace. The trouble starts in our mind only when we imagine our future in tangible form following shaitan before us. We are disillusioned and charmed by his deceptive suggestions and overtones, deviating us from the Will of Allah and His straight path.
7:17. "Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and You shall not find most of them thankful."
When a glad tiding from Allah is sent down upon the RUH of an individual, it is as immediately reflected on to his mind without an iota of a pause. Reception of such Wahi from Allah and its perception by mind is almost simultaneous. In our mind is already the evil-possessed and self-acquired worldly knowledge which shaitan had redeemed in us as the treasure of our life; and the mind is taught this knowledge is what is going to earn us our rightful need. Such is the pride we have in our mind, that all good things should be earned only by our efforts and by the use of what we possess as worldly knowledge. And we consider the same as the righteous way.
Despite the truth that we know: all and every means of human's survival on earth is full of treachery and hypocrisy; evil and lies, we would say, 'that is life!' the shaitans around would say, 'we shall have to go through pits and falls, and ups and downs; so acquire more knowledge to tide over and put in your hardest efforts: this is life! Shaitan makes us get tired of this life under the garb of showing us the right path.
As a test unto us Allah off and on allows us certain benefits from Him amidst our losses, so that we reflect and become grateful. Shaitan now comes quick towards us from our right-hand side to make us become proud that it is we who had achieved success and it is nothing to do with the God. And it is because of our courageous non-stop efforts despite losses, making us become forgetful of, and ungrateful to God, thus shaitan making himself still more closer to is as a companion.
Because of man's ingratitude and pride and keeping shaitan his closest companion, he leaves Allah's help and protection; and goes far astray following shaitan until he meets his disgrace and very painful living. At this, shaitan having succeeded in his mission to lead him into total disbelief as the left-sided people, he disowns him. This is the stage man cries out to His long-lost God and says, "Why have you abandoned me like this if you are truly there; I pray to you but you do not turn; now that you have left me in the lurch, I will turn most people away from your way," thus becoming shaitan himself.
Thus when by Allah's leave we get a reward, shaitan comes from our right-hand side and congratulates us and make us feel proud and come before our people to accept their praises on us that we had achieved because of our hard work. And later because of such pride and ingratitude when Allah makes us taste the evil we had earned, shaitan comes from our left-hand side and make us put the blame on God for all our evils.
Such shaitans are there everywhere, in every person, in every religion's priesthood; and in the leaders of all religious groups.
fazl
Dear drfazl,
May peace be upon you.
You have been a great teacher for me in this forum, and your posts are eye-opening which makes me ponder more and more deeply about all the issues that you have been talking about and it is helping me a great deal to become a better person. All praises and thanks is to Allah, and also thanks to you. Please keep enlighting us by sharing your knowledge, and may Allah reward you.
Regards.
Soul and Mind
Thinking is the creative process in the soul of a person, crossing the mind barrier, deflating the cerebral synthesis of material understanding. The soul and Mind are two different things of unknown origin, indiscernible to every physical sense, placed in the heart of man.
The
soul is otherwise to be known as the RUH of God, whose function is to receive God-send good news and to deliver the same to the
Mind. Both occur at the same time without a pause. When Allah intends something on some one, He has to say to it, 'Be, and it is!' His intended 'Be!' is sent down upon his RUH, or the Soul of the person intended, which receives the Command and delivers it in its purest abstract nature to his Mind. This delivery to one's mind is registered for life, not to be erased at all till death. This is the Book.
For example, a man receives a good, Godly message as 'Be', i.e. Allah's Will as Blessing such as: "you shall not suffer worry or fear in this world, for life, provided My Will is your dear wish from the very moment it is registered in your Book" This is not a concrete material to be bought, or earned and kept with us as a physical object; and one cannot visualise or imagine it, for it is a blessing from God and thus a pristine feel.
How is it possible for man to chase an inanimate feel? Or is it possible at all for him to work towards a non-physical awareness registered in The Book, his Soul, The RUH? The Source of this wishful 'Blessing' in the Mind is in his Creative Soul or The RUH of Allah. Here is the situation wherein is his choice: wish for the Will of Allah, with all your awareness and stay blessed with peace by the grant of Almighty Power, all through your life; or, he can choose to ignore the Will of Allah altogether and be done away with, from His blessings, entering the world of miserable life with fear and grief.
If we fear the life of dismal abyss in this world, we shall believe His Will as our Wish, the blessed intuitive awareness of bliss He had commanded our Mind with through His RUH i.e through the Book, your Soul. The Will is: Lead a Tall life without worry or fear. There is no doubt in what is inspired and inscribed in it for good.
All you have to do is 'Wish the Will' and keep up your belief in it with humility and put up with patience and endurance upon the definitive time frame Allah has set for each blissful moment of the life that would last for lives in both the worlds. Fear Allah that the Wish shall not be weaned away from you because of your forgetting the blessing due to negligence and ingratitude, arising out of your pride and arrogance.
2:2
This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
5 PILLARS UPON WHICH
ONE CAN BE A MUMIN
If we want to be in the safe hands of Allah we shall believe in and wish for adherence to the following very important 5 aspects in all moments of our life as ordained by Allah. The five aspects are:
1. Believe in Allah
2. Believe in the Lasting Day
3. Believe in the Malayika
4. Believe in the Books
5. Believe in the Prophets
We are to examine the following verse now:
2:177 Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but true righteousness is in one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets.
Before building our Paradise upon these 5 pillars,
turn your faces away from the east or
the west and you must turn your faces only towards your Soul, the RUH of Allah, listening to Him all the time for therein is the Righteousness and His Guidance and His Remembrance.
And before embarking on the course of this ayat for righteousness, it is incumbent upon us we shall have to know
who Allah is before believing in Him. Claiming to believe in Him without knowing Him who He is like believing in a vacuum i.e. the naught wherein could only be the ruling of shaitan or the ghost. Unless Allah Himself reveals about Him to us, there is no way we shall know Him.
Who Allah is: Allah is the One who created the skies and the earth and everything in between that they shall serve the man, upon His command. He is ever watchful of each and everyone, and of that that which they consult within their hearts secretly.
Allah loves those who abide by His attributes and strive living in the righteous path, true to His Names. For example,
He is Most Merciful: Our prayer to Him is that He serves us with a merciful heart; and practice Mercy in day to day life - Allah is with you.
He is Kind and Gentle: Be kind and Gentle towards those who show difficulty in understanding - Allah is with you.
He is Most Forgiving: Have your option for a forgiving heart - Allah is with you.
He is Patient on us: Be patient with those who cause anger and disturbance in you - Allah is with you.
He is The Provider: provide from what Allah has given you your good in excess to what you need - Allah is with you.
He is the One and the Only One for all your needs, all through your life and there is none like unto Him: never associate any one or anything to Him with regard to the fulfilment of any of your need in your life - Allah is with you.
He is the Most High: be humble and obedient to your inner command and thus surrender to your Soul - Allah is with you.
He is All-Knowing: so fear Him and guard against evil in you - Allah is with you.
He is Trust Worthy: put your Trust in Him and persevere in Peace despite adversities about you.
He Teaches and Guides us towards dignity and glory; and He is the Most Wise: all praise be unto Him; never become proud or arrogant - Allah is with you.
He is the remover of all evils and purifier of your mind: when you are ill at heart and suffer diseases never associate doctors and sorcerers with Him - Allah is with you.
Allah's Name is there in all that you need in your soul, for it is He who embeds in each Soul, his needs for life, as His Blessings and Glad tidings. So do not memorise His Names;
Remember
Him most and
Strengthen your minds with regard to your
Needs and put your
Trust in Him with
Patience, all the time
Persevering in
Peace,
Guarding yourself from allowing evil entering your mind,
Believing you are being
Guided towards the
Grace of your
God and you are already
Encompassed and in the
Embrace of His All pervading
Wisdom. All the capital lettered Names above are Allah's. If you are believers in Allah, then we shall remember His Names, more and more and grow in such strength. During every moment of your need you will be remembering Him alone, by all His Names and Allah is ever nearer and dearer with you as never before.
2:152 So remember Me; I will remember you. And be grateful to Me and do not deny Me.
Next: Believing in the Lasting Day....
Be a believer in Allah's Judgement both in this world
And in the Hereafter
Each Soul receives the Will of Allah as His Blessings from the most immediate in this world, to the remotest, beyond his life on this earth. For example, this is the Blessing our RUH, the Soul receives from Allah: "Lead a peaceful life i.e. a life full of peace; and have Salam from Me the Almighty, all through your life, in My Name: the Creator, the Provider, the Nourisher, the Expander of the Lasting Salam, Forever. This is the only thing your soul is granted with by the All-Knowing, the Wise.
But a man's mind is drowned in al the self-destructible worldly things of pleasures such as all nature's splendour and all the man invented things as his dire needs for his entire life, in this world, i.e. he has totally thrown himself out of his Soulful Will , the Blessings of God. What he has exchanged for the Soul of Allah is, the mind of himself! A proud and an evil trade indeed!
Against Salam or Peace for the soul, what man has earned in exchange would not give him ease in his distorted and disfigured life as the illusionary life he has traded for, dissolves under his very eyes. He would now love peace at soul more than anything and he would be willing to give away all his worldly and pleasurable possessions, and all his possessions of pride, the praised, invaluable wealth of the entire worlds. Either he should get the Peace or would he put an end to his life. This might be his last day, or the JDay in this world. And thereafter he awaits doom in the hereafter.
5:36 Indeed, those who disbelieve - if they should have all that is in the earth and the like of it with it by which to ransom themselves from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection, it will not be accepted from them, and for them is a painful punishment
Let these traders believe and fear the last day of life on this earth; on that day there is no bargain will be entertained; no ransom will be accepted; no intercessors will be allowed; the helpers and protectors will be far removed; all the things and people they idolised will be extinct. On that day they would curse their ancestors and their leaders and pray for a double punishment in hell for them. And they would not know all of them would receive the same.
Before the last day should come, Allah promises beautiful life in this world itself with malayika as your companions who would be the companions in the world next, too. Stand steadfast in what is blessed upon your RUH, the Soul. Allah says to our mind through His RUH, "Stay with a life free from fear and anxiety in mind; and sickness in body; and be free from loss in trade and poverty." This is the word of promise by Allah and one shall know for good such a life is possible not with men but only with Allah, the All-Knowing. Staying put in our Soul, the RUH of Allah is the only means. As long as one has lasting hope in the blessings of Allah with forbearance the reward from Him is sure in this life while still living.
Believe in the Lasting Rewards from Allah, await His Blessings to come to the fore, for our beautiful and lovely life, a feast from Allah to the physical senses too, to revel in it and revere Him in the Soul with gratitude for more and more such rewards for the splendorous physical life, a judgement to be delivered to is in this world itself, a sure spectre and astonishment for others who shall visit their respective minds when they see such life, granted to who Allah shall Will among His slaves. Such beauty of a life shall either trigger envy and animosity in the deniers and disbelievers against the blessed ones who are Judged and Amply Rewarded; or inspire those who are believers to lean on to 'Allah and Allah alone', for their own majestic life, yet to be delivered. Allah is with those who remember His Names,in all their needs and all through their lives.
If we are believers in the Last Day, when Allah's word or promise in our RUH or our Soul shall happen by His Leave,
we are freed from anxiety, worry, fear or grief; and this is the Day of Judgement and a life of paradise in this world. The Malayika descend on us and say: 41:30 Indeed, those who have said, "Our Lord is Allah " and then remained on a right course -
the angels will descend upon them in this world, saying, "Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised. We are your protecting friends in the life of this world and in the Hereafter. There you will have all that your Souls Will, and there you will also have all that you Wish for.
Until and unless one tastes the delivery of Allah's judgement in this world off and on and continuously thereafter and a part of paradise is not lived by one, and with the malayikas as their companions here, there is no reward of paradise for him in the hereafter; their friends in malayikas shall not accompany them when their souls are to be captured finally, for the final judgement.
2:177 Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but true righteousness is in
one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the Malayikas, the Book, and the prophets.
Next: believing in the Malayikas....
Quote from: drfazl on September 28, 2013, 07:14:00 PM
5 PILLARS UPON WHICH
ONE CAN BE A MUMIN
If we want to be in the safe hands of Allah we shall believe in and wish for adherence to the following very important 5 aspects in all moments of our life as ordained by Allah. The five aspects are:
1. Believe in Allah
2. Believe in the Lasting Day
3. Believe in the Malayika
4. Believe in the Books
5. Believe in the Prophets
We are to examine the following verse now:
2:177 Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but true righteousness is in one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets.
Before building our Paradise upon these 5 pillars, turn your faces away from the east or the west and you must turn your faces only towards your Soul, the RUH of Allah, listening to Him all the time for therein is the Righteousness and His Guidance and His Remembrance.
And before embarking on the course of this ayat for righteousness, it is incumbent upon us we shall have to know who Allah is before believing in Him. Claiming to believe in Him without knowing Him who He is like believing in a vacuum i.e. the naught wherein could only be the ruling of shaitan or the ghost. Unless Allah Himself reveals about Him to us, there is no way we shall know Him.
Who Allah is: Allah is the One who created the skies and the earth and everything in between that they shall serve the man, upon His command. He is ever watchful of each and everyone, and of that that which they consult within their hearts secretly. Allah loves those who abide by His attributes and strive living in the righteous path, true to His Names. For example,
He is Most Merciful: Our prayer to Him is that He serves us with a merciful heart; and practice Mercy in day to day life - Allah is with you.
He is Kind and Gentle: Be kind and Gentle towards those who show difficulty in understanding - Allah is with you.
He is Most Forgiving: Have your option for a forgiving heart - Allah is with you.
He is Patient on us: Be patient with those who cause anger and disturbance in you - Allah is with you.
He is The Provider: provide from what Allah has given you your good in excess to what you need - Allah is with you.
He is the One and the Only One for all your needs, all through your life and there is none like unto Him: never associate any one or anything to Him with regard to the fulfilment of any of your need in your life - Allah is with you.
He is the Most High: be humble and obedient to your inner command and thus surrender to your Soul - Allah is with you.
He is All-Knowing: so fear Him and guard against evil in you - Allah is with you.
He is Trust Worthy: put your Trust in Him and persevere in Peace despite adversities about you.
He Teaches and Guides us towards dignity and glory; and He is the Most Wise: all praise be unto Him; never become proud or arrogant - Allah is with you.
He is the remover of all evils and purifier of your mind: when you are ill at heart and suffer diseases never associate doctors and sorcerers with Him - Allah is with you.
Allah's Name is there in all that you need in your soul, for it is He who embeds in each Soul, his needs for life, as His Blessings and Glad tidings. So do not memorise His Names; Remember Him most and Strengthen your minds with regard to your Needs and put your Trust in Him with Patience, all the time Persevering in Peace, Guarding yourself from allowing evil entering your mind, Believing you are being Guided towards the Grace of your God and you are already Encompassed and in the Embrace of His All pervading Wisdom. All the capital lettered Names above are Allah's. If you are believers in Allah, then we shall remember His Names, more and more and grow in such strength. During every moment of your need you will be remembering Him alone, by all His Names and Allah is ever nearer and dearer with you as never before.
2:152 So remember Me; I will remember you. And be grateful to Me and do not deny Me.
Next: Believing in the Lasting Day....
Beautiful. God Bless You.
At The End Of Your Prayer
"O Allah, Thee art the Most Pure; !" And their speeches would be of that that causes peace; and when their prayers come true finally, their Praise would only be to Allah, the God of the worlds." 10:10
Note:
The promise of Allah upon a believer will never go unheeded by the universal force that created the whole of the heavens and the earth and everything in between for each man's personal habitation in such precision and perfectness as ordained by Allah. A man sees all nature and perceives its austere grandeur according to his visionary or just sees with his plain eye sight according to his very limited view points.
For a believer in the grand promised life that which gets set in his heart (the mind) as visionary life, by Allah's leave is never to get lost either from his soul or his mind until he is ushered into it and until the life of such Grace encompasses him from every direction. This life would further as his Promised life of tomorrow's splendour, the ever expanding heavenly life. Such are the people who would lead a God endowed life both in this world and in the future worlds.
The believers in goodly life would be very certain about any good event happening in their lives is from God. Such happenings, climate and events are not to be created by them but just happens from no where which is beyond their knowledge to know the physical source. Those blissful moments of life are heavenly creation encompassed in that particular atmosphere for people to who Allah Willed.
Such people would surely remember Allah as the God of all the worlds and revere His Name as the Most Pure, the Promiser, the Potential, His Excellence, the Glorious and the God of all the worlds, Allah. In every good event of their lives in this world, their humility would be overwhelming and their piety would increase with their praise of their God and would say:
"O Allah, Thee art the Most Pure; !" And their speeches would be of that that causes peace; and when their prayers come true finally, their Praise would be to Allah, the God of the worlds." 10:10
But the unbelievers who are proud about their worldly knowledge and who remember least about their God, would arrogantly ascribe such events as they relish in their enjoyment living in such beautiful moments, as 'something that naturally happens now and then; and such things do happen here and there'. Their attitude is just to enjoy and make hay while the sun shines.
As believers that you are remember the ayat above and praise the Most Pure, Allah, the God of the worlds, when any good moments pass by you or visit you. Speak to your household and those near to you and the pious, the peaceful and promised words of the Most Pure. And be reminded of God that every good event happening to you and or about you is due purely to your long forgotten prayerful submission to the only God, with or without your know, at times of distress, when all your hopes were down relating to this worldly ways, where only Allah's help awaited you. At that blink of the moment whatever you sought in your heart(mind) clicked with Allah. And here is the end of that prayer. And at this blink of the moment never become forgetful of Praising the God of the worlds, Allah.
The Origin, The Design and The Destiny
Say: Is there of your partners one that originates Creation and
then reproduces it? Say: Allah originates Creation, then reproduces it. How then, do you turn? 10:34
Say: Travel in the land and see how He originated creation,
then Allah brings forth the reproduction. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things. 29:20
From the above two verses we come to know that Allah shows us just two of His ways of Creation: First is that of
Origin with a command 'Be', from Him and then by His Design,
Reproduction through us. And Allah will again raise His Origins by the Destiny
Return of His creations back again to Him, by His Wisdom unknown to us. A believer shall believe in such origin, design and destiny decreed by the Creator.
The greatest test for us is Allah's 'strategy and the design' of reproduction of what He originated, through us. Most of us are fallen people here when we consider ourselves as having created the life, when we give birth to our offsprings, which event in truth is reproduced by Allah, The Creator. This is were the life and death problems arise throughout their children's growth to adulthood. It is these ungrateful fallen people that nurture hospitals as life saving places of worship; and call upon doctors as life givers and saviours of life. As Allah reproduces through us, under His direct supervision, we go for 10 months anti-natal check ups to save the child and the mother to keep them under the 'able-monitoring' by the obstetrician until and at labour; and we strongly believe to live or die is in our hands; we take medicines we live; if we do not go to doctors for regular check ups and do not take prescriptions we die; and if we say God will take care of that which he
reproduces in the womb shall alone can take good care of the child in the womb, they would say "You are committing homicide and suicide, referring to the mother and child.
As believers that you are, you can test yourself how far you believe these verses:
13:8 Allah knows what every female bears, and by how much the wombs fall short or exceed. Everything with Him is in proportion.
Do you believe so firmly that the obstetricians know much the same as what Allah knows, despite the ayat above? And thus you equate? And these doctors do you think are deciders of the time of labour and birth? Then what do you think of Allah's design as in the following ayat?
31:34 Verily, Allah! With Him Alone is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware of things.
It is time we should have believed in Allah, He is the Originator, and then as only a test unto us, He made through us the reproduction of how He had originated man as the first beings. Those who could see this and then believe Allah is the Creator and there is none who would create life and then who could reproduce but Him. Such is the nature of creation for every natural creations and beings.
From this what we shall know is that He gave us life; He caused fear of death all through our lives which means we feared our death on many an instance in our life time when we were drowned in worry and fear and deep grief from which Allah delivered us with fresh lease of life. Here most of us fall and fail with arrogance and say we are up again from deep grief and sorrow, through our own intelligence and our able knowledge and will-power, forgetting totally or slighting aside the Grace of Almighty, who rescued us because we called on Him from the depth and purity of soul i.e without having any other help or protection in the mind other than Allah.
In our business and livelihood, it is Allah who brought our earning and placed us in a comfortable position originally; then He made us taste losses because of our ingratitude when we flourished; then we turned to Him seeking pardon; He surely is the Most Forgiving, Most Merciful, Able. Assuredly He gave the business or the livelihood back to you as only a test to see how you behave thereafter; yet, most of us show no thanks to Allah until we are made to drown again in our evil ways, and until our final return to Him. Allah is able, severe in Punishing.
10:21 And when We give the people a taste of mercy after death has touched them, at once they conspire against Our Signs. Say, " Allah is swifter in strategy." Indeed, Our messengers record that which you devise."Let us not forget this reminder in life:
O Allah, You are the Creator!
The Originator of the Order-
From Life to Death; and from
The death to life; and death again
And for the Final Life thereafter
You make us Return unto you for Sure.
You are The Most Able, The Most High
May Allah make us Pass His Test in this Life.
Quote from: drfazl on October 22, 2013, 03:53:10 AM
The Origin, The Design and The Destiny
Let us not forget this reminder in life:
O Allah, You are the Creator!
The Originator of the Order-
From Life to Death; and from
The death to life; and death again
And for the Final Life thereafter
You make us Peacefully Return unto you for Sure.
You are The Most Able, The Most High.
May Allah make us Pass His Test in this Life.
Amen
Finish Life As Muslims
"I am living for myself; we live for ourselves." The word "self" indicates individual essential being of one's own personality. Of this, the essential being is 'the command of the Hour for him from his Soul'. That command and direction of action from Him within one's heart is his essential need of the Hour. For example, if I am deeply worried, the command is: "Have peace!" If I am rejoicing, the command is: "Do not be proud, calm down!" If I am grieving, the command is: "Have patience for peace!" If I have fear, the command is: "Turn entirely to me for peace!" If I am angry, the command is: "Calm down and maintain peace!" In short when you are emotional, the command is: "Do not lose peace!" Peace becomes our individual essential being of our personality. Peace is one's self.
I live for peace with God; and we are living for peace with God. This is the soul command of God; and the self of the humanity. The more truthful we are to our High Command, the Soul, and the more dutifully we guard the Peace in our mind at all costs, and the more the Almighty Power is satisfied with us. But as human beings that we are, we are born and bred with hastiness and thanklessness by the concerned communities generally. None is exempt from these two evil qualities that always keep us in the deviation from the straight path, the Our Self.
In any community each individual is not in his self wholesomely at any given point of time and thus is in a constant struggle in various angles, to please his Soul or his Self so that he can be at Peace or at Salam with himself, whereupon he becomes a muslim, the attainment of the victorious final moment.
This is the grand achievement as Allah is well pleased with us. This is because, Allah is ever watchful of us in our mind and in our actions as we struggle to please His Soul, the RUH, as it keeps giving commands by the leave of Allah to maintain Salam in our life with the others in the community. If we are to gain this victory we should shed our pride, the worst evil we possess and keep it as our crown. Let this crown become our slippers. And there we are: Allah crowns us with His Wsdom and Salam. We become Muslims. Until such time we still possess the pieces and shreds of our pride and ego, Allah's help and protection always comes through all our lives in our struggle to fight the pride out. Allah shall be well pleased with our efforts in this; and He alone is the Best to Judge our truthfulness in our efforts.
As believers that we are, as long as we struggle to get rid off our evil pride, we are only believers i.e., we are mumins yet, and on the verge of being elevated as muslims, the endowed people with Salam from the All Potent. Until this is achieved our rewards are with Allah; the judgement about us is with Allah; and our requittal and acquittal is with Allah. Allah is ever forgiving, most merciful. Once Allah is satisfied with us, that is the end of our lives in this world. By His command the appointed malayika for our death capture our souls; and at this point we shall also be pleased with Allah as His Salam is conveyed to us by the malayika who receive us with our souls, with good news: "Enter ye into the gardens of paradise for what you used to do in the world."
Our prayers should also be the same prayer that which Prophet Yusuf used to pray:
My Lord, You have given me something of sovereignty and taught me of the interpretation of My Self. Creator of the heavens and earth, You are my protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Cause me to die a
Muslim and
join me with the righteous."
May Allah Guide Us By His Soul
Peace.
The Night Of Destruction
For a believer there shall have to be success in all their lives; and for a disbeliever or an associator, there shall have to be losses everywhere and in all directions throughout their lives. But then, how so, each and every one suffer from both at any given time. 94: 5, 6 Verily, with hardship is the ease. And surely, with hardship is ease. The answer becomes clear when we understand our belief is always coupled with some sort of association to God; and we believe not with total faith but with association. If in our heart the association to God is more, then the losses are more than the benefits and vice versa. The quality of our lives are stages higher as our association to God becomes lesser than the belief. This is because of our pondering and reasoning as we weigh our benefits against losses, with sound mind which alone makes us lean on to faithful belief more and more.
Despite our full know and our belief, we believe in addition in the falsehood, setting up partners to God while seeking His help. Eventually we tend to forget and overlook every God's help while attributing all the benefits to our own efforts due to pride and avarice for self-praise; such of these cannot stand praising God in their successes. God is ever-watchfull of their shifting stance during their straitness and while in their abundance - between their submission and arrogance. These have lost any authority to speak of Quran or any good word to others for it is most hateful before Allah - He is the Witness over them who speak what they do not follow. And when they are in their works God's watchful eyes follow their transgression making in their souls as clear impressions as witness for all that they possess in their hearts, the lies they speak, and their acts of arrogance with self-praise, however small or big they may be. Nothing would they forget on the Hour of Reckoning.
10:61 O mankind, whatever you may be doing, and whatever portion you may be speaking of His Signs, - and whatever work you may be doing, We are Witness thereof, when you are involved in it. And nothing is hidden from your God so much as the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heaven. Not what is less than that or what is greater than that but is imprinted in their Souls.
Yet, before the Hour God keeps constant checks for them, time and again, with losses and adversities and with some fears gripping them; and in each of those instances they turn to God so submissively and pitifully only to turn away from Him after receiving His Mercy: and speak to, and act before their people belying God, joining their partners closer than ever before. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, but not at all satisfied. Gradually, their freedom and abundance is reduced as they are made to taste of what they earned: increase in their stress and reduced in their ease. Even in this situation the proud would say: Whew, I have so much business tension and I have been working all night and day! I need relaxation, fun and entertainment! Now satanic force has taken these fun loving people into his fold and leads them away from seeking forgiveness, mercy, freedom from stress and ease from Allah. They join their self entertaining recreation clubs partying with wine and vices. This is where their gates are closed with their God since their higher faculty has hit the ground with intoxicated mind.
Here the caution is:
We are leading a life of arrogance and ignorance which is experienced as hardship with ease combined together throughout our entire life. With every affliction and hardship we are taught by God Himself to become submissive to Him, the only One who delivers us from getting drowned in misery. If we correct ourselves and show our gratitude, then our ease grows and wins over all hardships. We begin to see heavens here. The Light of God replaces our darkness of ignorance.
On the other hand if we transgress in our arrogance instead of being humble for fear of God, our hardship increases and balance is shifted more towards worse affliction with ease weaning away, it is the Sign of our total rebellion; there is enough time to wake up to the gloom and grim situation hovering above us, and turn to God in repentance, faithfully and with patience - for God is ever merciful and oft-forgiving. Disturbance in sleep and sleeplessness are very crucial and final indication we have touched the lowest low, and it is only matter of time before we hit the ground and slip into wine, entertainment and vice to while away the Nights. While Allah has created Night for solace to mind and soul, we would be forced by the satanic forces, to sell it to destruction and abolition. The darkness of aggression and transgression induced by shaitan had replaced, even surpassing the arrogance of our own.
10:70 A brief enjoyment in this world! - and then unto Us will be their return, then We shall make them taste the severest torment because they used to disbelieve.
Peace.
Unless You Will, Allah will not Will
10:99 And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you then compel mankind, until they become believers.
1. There are those who believe only in the Almighty and the Most Powerful for their lives - for each of them the God chosen path way would lead them to distinguished heights, individually distinct and discreet; such believers in the God alone shall allow the Creator to Originate greater and greater moments in their lives; they would discredit and disown all knowledge of the world people, because they, by God endowed wisdom know they are false.
These people are the 'foremost people' in earning Peace from the most satisfied Allah and for them the reward is the glorious life in this world and in the hereafter. This would happen only when the following group of people mentioned below, is separated and excluded from the vicinity of the 'foremost people'.
2. There are such of these who believe in their proud and arrogant lifestyle, involving in the destruction of lives, properties of and produces for the people, shall by Allah, get all their evil and devilish gateways widely opened, and piling up their likes one upon the other according to the intensity of their transgression that would indeed lead them all to their own doom en masse on a fateful day both in this world and in the hereafter. Their destiny as to where shall they gather and abide before the Hour is all determined and predestined. They shall never believe until their Hour of torment, whereupon they shall cry, "We believe!" But they are not believers. Their abode is far removed from the good doers.
3. And there is another section of people who would believe in their own good and bad for others because of envy. For them is the exclusive path of confusion and madness for they tried all means of obstruction to stop and destroy God's blessings upon the believers and upon the foremost about who Allah is well-pleased. Such mad communities of people would be gathered all in the hellish abode on this earth so long as they abide despised and disgraced.
All the evil groups as they reach their appointed term and their judgement Hour in this world, they shall have to spend the rest of their lives under the woe of Allah, the Malayika, the Prophets and the believing people. The good doers would turn to Allah before their Hour by Allah's grace and the evil ones would lag behind despite all the Signs of Allah that came to them as glad-tidings, and as warnings as well.
The believers would never know who among the disbelievers had reached their Hour and who still have been in respite. Yet they are all awaiting hell. It is clear message to all the messengers and the believers that it does not befit them to intercede on their behalf even in their submission for their sake; and never stand in prayer for them in their graves even, seeking forgiveness for them. It is because they were hypocrites, practising disbelief while amidst the believers.
Knowing well there is no compulsion in righteousness, if the believers still force the hypocrites, there is no worse hardship than this they would suffer. Allah warns the believers never to become like ignorants by compelling the disbelieving hypocrites, when Allah had abandoned them and placed seal upon their hearts never to return to the path of righteousness.
Surrender to, Obey, Call upon, Follow Only The Will Of Allah
11:2 Surrender to none but Allah. Verily, I am unto you from Him a warner and a bringer of glad tidings.
Surrender: The Will of Allah is ever being revealed in every breath of us that embraces our soul and the same that which encompasses our mind. That "Will" is our life of breathing for this moment and for the remaining life ahead of us. At that very moment our hearts are expanded and with it certainly the life force is inspired. This is the inspiration phase of respiration; next is the expiration phase respiration.
What happens in between? Between inspiration(the Will) and expiration(by way of rejection) of one respiration i.e. in any one living moment, the Will of Allah is either accepted; or rejected, or slighted, or tossed behind the backs, or disregarded. The rejection of God's Will is because they associate their entire life devotedly to the deadly materialistic knowledge of the people putting their Trust in it. These form the largest population of disbelieving people.
"They are bygones as dead, and they would not know when they will be raised". 16:21
The bygones are such population expire the Will in each expiration phase of their respiration; their lungs become straitened and their hearts are hardened due to their rejection of the Will and the anxiety arising out if it; their bosoms as a whole is constrained as their life force steadily get de-vitalised during such expiration of each respiration.
And there are other two following groups: they value the Will of Allah in their hearts as most beautiful and invaluable, and they ponder over such blessings as from God Almighty, and consider every feel as glad tidings from Him alone with respect, belief and trust, and with near expectation. These are the people to who does Allah show clear Signs from Him, because He had chosen them for His Wisdom, who would then live amidst the bygones, the largest population mentioned above, as an ayat from Allah. These two are not the same. They live with them not for the sake of show unto others but as a reminder to the dead to wakeup and rise, before they are raised, on the final Hour, when their lives will be captured for good.
And these people are the foremost in heaven in this life itself, unlike the bygones who shall suffer the evil here and worse still that await them. 56: 9 & 10, 11, 12
And finally there is this group who simply believed without commitment towards the Will of God, or totally being unmindful of it. When these people meet with the uncompromising distress from Us, they are sure to turn towards Almighty Power whereupon His help comes to them from Him with forgiveness. And when they die with such forgiveness in the end they become the latter group belonging to the right side. And such others whose life ends without such forgiveness because of their complete rejection of the Will of God, as the final offer from Him on the last Hour, of His help, protection and forgiveness, they become the left sided ones of the latter group of people when they are raised up for Judgement.
Those right sided people are like dead because they live associating things to God, until such time God's righteousness touched them with certain Signs from Him, by His permission. These are the people who inculcated and practised in their minds in their long struggle against falsehood through the use of the criterion and tried maximum in their life time to abide by that what is good, right and just. Surely Allah's word is this : "Those who listen to the heart, and follow the best therein; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding." 39:18
True to His ayat here is how Allah guides, even if they are living dead and living a deadly life.
"Is then he who was dead and whom We thereupon gave life, and upon who We conferred Wisdom whereby he might see his freedom among men - is then he, like one who is lost in darkness deep, out of which he cannot emerge? Thus their life of devotion to their knowledge made fair seeming to the disbelievers." 6:122
This is clear admonition from Allah to the people of the worlds and that each one shall surrender to his own heart and follow that which has been there as righteous from Him. If he fails to surrender to the order of one's heart clear warning has already gone forth from Allah. And you shall not see any change in His Punishment.
11:2. "That you shall not surrender, obey to any but Allah; surely I am a warner for you from Him and a giver of good news,"
Peace
Water down
Stay above Water
Raise to The Throne, The Arsh
11:59 Such were 'Aad people'. They rejected the Ayat of their Lord and disobeyed His Messengers, and followed the command of every proud obstinate.
After the people of Prophet Nuh, it is about Aad, the people of Prophet Hud mentioned as the cursed people by Allah. The curse came upon them because they rejected the ayats of Allah bearing His Truth, Revelation, Signs, Proofs, Evidences, - and By the Time, they denied all of these; and belied; and then turned their faces away too.
The ayats bearing the Truth is:
Allah is the One who created from heavens to earth and everything in between; he caused the man on the earth as inheritors to all these; it is He who created the all living beings, or the life from The Water; and
His Throne on the entire life rests on
The Water. He assures man that He would water more and more in abundance whoever abides by the Truth and stands steadfast by it. Allah assures this to man on the straight path, and not upon the so called self-proclaiming 'mumins' who would say: "We believe in Allah."
72:16 Had they been steadfast in the Straight Path We should surely have bestowed on them water in abundance.
Normally we know rain brings water. So rain and water are two different things. Without water in the clouds in the first place there is no rain; and without rain there is no water on the ground. Allah says whoever is in the straight path and endures in it, He would bestow him with water that would provide him with more and more of life creating Wisdom from Him. Upon the Water is His Throne from which the man is promised that he be bestowed according to his merit of his living on the straight path much to the pleasure of Allah, a part of His Throne, the Reign, the Kingdom on the Whole Nature, spanning globally, as well as skywards.
They would by His leave cause the mountain to move; they would by His leave make the dead speak; by His leave would break the earth to pieces and dust; they would by His leave cleave the whole sea into two; flood and flush out a whole evil community as Prophet Nuh did; or bring to life a whole community of people as Allah showed to a man who asked how Allah should bring life to a destroyed township. Yet they would do all these and more by the bestow of water i.e., their sovereignty upon nature by the leave of Allah; and such bestowed ones would fear Allah most and would not advance before Allah. To them Allah gives from His Reign; and whoever is hasty and advances before Allah, they are degraded, humbled and deprived and stripped off this Sovereignty empowered upon him on the nature.
So, your prayers shall include this in all your life and in your every breathing:
3:26 Say, "O Allah , Owner of Sovereignty, You give sovereignty to whom You will and You take sovereignty away from whom You will. You honor whom You will and You humble whom You will. In Your hand is all good. Indeed, You are over all things competent.
If you are mumins be believers in this ayat, 11:59 "Such were 'Aad people'. They rejected the Ayat of their Lord and disobeyed His Messengers, and followed the command of every proud obstinate." You shall never follow the command of every proud obstinate rulers of the world, such as the Presidents, the Prime Ministers, the Kings, the Leaders and so on. And never be a party of those who voted them to power or be among those who praise these people whose laws and orders they enforce on the earth are wrong and unjust, disapproved by and disgusting to Allah.
We stay away from the politicians and from hearing or reading the news about these wrong doing unjust leaders and lawmakers and rulers who exempt themselves from their own rules using their powers and consider them above all laws; Allah curses such people who obey and become slaves to them in their minds. 43:54 Thus he Fir'aun befooled and misled his people, and they obeyed him. Verily, they were ever a people who were rebellious, disobedient to Allah. 11:97 To Fir'aun and his chiefs; but they obeyed the command of Fir'aun, and the command of Fir'aun was not righteous. Like Firaun and his leaders are the politicians today at the helm of your affairs and their ministerial colleagues all over the world; the people had fallen at their feet and obeyed their orders without seeking safety from Allah and because of this, they are bound to be doomed for ever to be pursued by a curse in this world and on the day of reckoning - 11:99 And they were followed in this life by a curse and on the Day of Resurrection. And wretched is the recompense which is given.
And we shall not be of the view that you will be spared when the disaster from Allah strikes you while you live amidst a transgressing people even if you are not an active member involving in the wrong doings. You will be seized with them and you were one among them too, unless you were fearful of Allah and seeking forgiveness from Allah, all the time for being with them and seeking from him to make you and your family join with those righteous people and also adding in your submission: O Allah if you were to seize the wrong-doers with your curse and punishment, make us not be with them on the Hour, as you had saved Lut and his family members just a few hours before the fateful Hour of dawn.
8:25 And fear a distress which will not strike those who have wronged among you exclusively, and know that Allah is severe in penalty.
drfazl
May The Weightiest Be The Lightest
As The Heaviest Promise Descends Upon Our Hearts
35:1 Praise is to Allah, Creator of the skies and the earth, made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in creation what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
If Allah is the source and His verses are our only resource, all praise be unto Him alone; He created the skies and the earth to house the earth as the office for man to command the heavens by His Will. This is a heavy and mighty word from Allah for those who believe. Ascend to the Arsh, the kingdom of heavens and the earth together that Allah is holding for your sake until you raise to such Purity at Soul, expected of you, by Him. The malayikas are created for this with such powers that they descend with such weighty word upon you, from Allah so slowly and so gently that you shall not reject it outright as impossible, but receive it with honor and dignity and with all humility.
The wings mentioned here are for: the heavier the wings the gentle is their landing upon your heart. Whoever receives the good news without difficulty they are the truthfully humble ones for there is not a pride in them.
73:5 Verily, We shall send down upon you a weighty Word.
92:6 And he who believes in the best
92:7 We will make smoothest for him the easiest path
Allah increases in His creation to His bondsmen's satisfaction and to their hearts' contentment. Allah's Will and command upon the universe to bend, descend and obey to the easiness and liveliness of man, is proportional to the Purity of his soul. A believer shall believe for the best for him and for those around him, and from Him alone everything that which is within and beyond all their means and their fullest ability to meet with. The more humble we are, the lighter we would feel when the mightiest words of promise that is brought down upon us by the command of Allah through the malayikas who are capable of descending upon us with such subtlety and gentleness. Allah would make it easy for us to accept and believe that which should seem to us as a heavy promise. What a great position we would be elevated to when it comes to pass because we believed it by the command of Allah.
Peace
The Waiting Period
2:203
And remember Allah during numbered days. Then whoever hastens in two days - there is no sin upon him; and whoever delays - there is no sin upon him - for him who fears Allah . And fear Allah and know that unto Him you will be gathered.
Note:
And remember the help and protection you had received all your life in your trivial to most difficult times from the God of the worlds, the one and the only God, during your fresh waiting period at this moment of your life you aught to observe with patience and belief in Him alone faithfully, whereupon your wishes in your heart should come to happen for good. However short or long - your stay in His remembrance shall be accounted as good for you; so, whoever slips down and hastens on, in his own efforts, taking a break from remembering Him before the waiting period is over, there is no fault in him, and also there is no vice in him whoso defers remembrance to a later period after his fruitless hastening on - for whoever fears as to what would happen if God leaves him on his own, due to his thanklessness for all that he had received as Grace from his God throughout his life until now. And fear Allah, the One and the Only God of the worlds and know that to Him you will all be gathered.
Peace
How To Remember Allah, All the Time
13:1 Alif, Lam, Meem, Ra. These are the Signs of the Book; and what has been revealed to you from your God is the truth, but most of the people do not believe.
Alif - Allafa, the One who causes inseparable bondage; Laam- Lathif, by taking us with such gentleness and subtlety towards Him, Meem- Mumin, the One who inculcates and strengthens one's Faith in Him, The Most Bountiful Ra- Rahman. These are the initials of Allah and The Signs of The Book. By remembering such initials one shall initialize His nearness and His kindness towards him. This is a revelation from God in Truth. Remember Me in My Name as often and as firmly as possible unlike most people who do not believe and say Alif, Laam, Meem, Ra are not the initials of Allah's Names and thus are meaningless utterances by Allah.
The more you remember Allah's Names, the more you remember the favors He had showered upon you with gratitude; Allah does not ignore or become unappreciative of such thanks giving by His bondsmen. He becomes closer to you than ever before as our gratitude towards Him increases in such a way He constantly remembers you as He gets nearer and nearer to you.
QuoteQuote2:186 And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the call of the caller when he calls on Me; so they should listen to My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.
So how to call on Allah for our needs? In our needs is His Names. If you need anything for your life, call on Him by His Names - O The Provider; O The Sustainer; O The Nourisher; O The Savior; O The Enricher; And if you are ill then call upon Him as: O The Healer, O The Curer, O The Helper, O The Protector. While calling upon The Almighty Allah by His Names, it is dignifying Him while remembering Him due to His such favors in the past.
QuoteQuote2:152 So remember Me; I will remember you. And be grateful to Me and do not deny Me.
Remember Allah with His Initials more and more so that He Remembers us by being nearer to us, and becoming dearer and dearer.
Quote from: drfazl on November 17, 2013, 05:22:54 AM
Alif - Allafa, the One who causes inseparable bondage;
Laam- Lathif, by taking us with such gentleness and subtlety towards Him,
Meem- Mumin, the One who inculcates and strengthens one's Faith in Him,
The Most Bountiful Ra- Rahman.
By remembering such initials one shall initialize His nearness and His kindness towards him.
Allah does not ignore or become unappreciative of such thanks giving by His bondsmen.
While calling upon The Almighty Allah by His Names, it is dignifying Him while remembering Him due to His such favors in the past.
Beauuuutiful !!
Indescribable Feel !!
Im lost for words.
gita
Quote from: drfazl on November 15, 2013, 09:08:36 PM
The Waiting Period
2:203
And remember Allah during numbered days. Then whoever hastens in two days - there is no sin upon him; and whoever delays - there is no sin upon him - for him who fears Allah . And fear Allah and know that unto Him you will be gathered.
Note:
And remember the help and protection you had received all your life in your trivial to most difficult times from the God of the worlds, the one and the only God, during your fresh waiting period at this moment of your life you aught to observe with patience and belief in Him alone faithfully, whereupon your wishes in your heart should come to happen for good. However short or long - your stay in His remembrance shall be accounted as good for you; so, whoever slips down and hastens on, in his own efforts, taking a break from remembering Him before the waiting period is over, there is no fault in him, and also there is no vice in him whoso defers remembrance to a later period after his fruitless hastening on - for whoever fears as to what would happen if God leaves him on his own, due to his thanklessness for all that he had received as Grace from his God throughout his life until now. And fear Allah, the One and the Only God of the worlds and know that to Him you will all be gathered.
Peace
I am Long awaiting on this Ayath. Need to read multiple times to understand.
Peace Johnson mustafa,
Please feel free to ask any clarification you might need; I would only be much obliged to clarify.
Peace
The ALR
14:1 Alif Lam Ra. The Book which We have revealed to you that you may bring forth men, by their God's permission from utter darknesses into light-- to the way of the Mighty, the Praised One.
This is the Book with the Revelation of A L R which brings forth the men from the darknesses of their external Sights to the luminous Insight. The External sights and the Insight are antagonistic to each other. The sight-external is deception of human knowledge and the Insight is the real and shining vision - Ru?yah, for the entire life ahead sent down by Allah upon the RUH of every man as His Promise; this is the R of ALR. This is a Mighty Promise and a Heavy Word from the Almighty.
In this way, the R from the Almighty is made to descend upon a man with such genteelness and subtlety - Lathif, that you receive His Promises not as a heavy burden but as a beautiful feel that makes your heart lighter and lighter; and this is the L of ALR, the Lathif. The Almighty - A Allafa, binds as a strong binding between L and R, completing and endowing ALR , the Essentials of the Book inscribing in your heart.
If you are a believer in ALR , then proceed with the remaining part of the verse and further beyond. Whereas the external sight causes vanities and imaginations, the source of deception and deep darkness, the Insight R is delivering the message of Truth and a Promise from your God with regard to a splendorous future. Only now your belief is accepted by your God granting Salam to your heart. As long as we possess salam in our hearts it is as only a sign from Allah that he is satisfied with your use of the soulful pondering of His ayats which is requires of any believer before Allah takes him to His path;, the Mightiest and the Most Praised.
Peace
ALR II
See The Luminous Path At The End Of Dark Knowledge
14:1 Alif Lam Ra. The Book which We have revealed to you that you may bring forth men, by their God's permission from utter darknesses into light-- to the way of the Mighty, the Praised One.
ALR - This is the Book containing the Wisdom or the Light of Allah to deliver us from the darknesses of our knowledge. The knowledge gives us the worry about our future because we reach up to the recesses of the darkness through deep thinking using our knowledge in full. And with the advancement of science today we gather the knowledge from all over the globe that pushes us further into the gloom of doom. All detrimental and terminal medical diagnoses are perfect examples for this.
The situation now at hand, is in essence, out of hands that we see the vanity of our concerted efforts with all the hopeless knowledge brought together on the desk top and keeping them at the finger tips. Todays world has reached the dead end, hand and foot. This is the end of knowledge - doom through gloom.
If you want a blossoming life, hands down, turn to the Ru?yah, the R of ALR http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg342003#msg342003 (ftp://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg342003#msg342003%5B/color) where you see in your RUH the word of Allah that you shall get over the situation you had caused to you through your ever growing dark knowledge, drowning you steadily into the pitch darkness of the deepest sea by the time. The Lathif, the L is intently watching your increasing agony mentally and physically even as He sends down His Promise, ? You shall not worry nor grieve if you prostrate to my words of Wisdom shunning away the satanic knowledge?, because of your pride and arrogance. If you are a believer in His promising words, then you have placed yourself on the Luminous path, i.e. upon the Light of Allah. If you do not, know that Allah had not wronged you a bit. He is Mighty, the Most Praised.
Peace
What a great thread this is! It gives so much hope, so much to work on too! In sha' Allah, in sha' Allah.
Alos great appreciations of the truthful Qur'an, alhamdulillah
Salaam
Cherishing or Chastising
"And when your God made it known: If you are grateful, I would certainly give to you more, and if you are ungrateful, My chastisement is truly severe." 14:7
Note:
Me being grateful means, 'I show my thanks for all the good things that happen in my life to my God for all great things would happen not but for His leave; Allah is the creator who would create events for me in and around, and make it abound; I will not become head haughty to say, 'I have achieved' and rejoice in that event as my success when I reap the fruits of my God's benevolence; and when something good come my way, my show of gratitude to Him is that to believe in Him then and there, there is much and much more good and the best things are with Him. If I am overwhelmed with joy and happiness while listening to others' praise of my achievement, it is because our pride has taken better of the situation; then it means you have become deaf to the word and promise of Allah, there is much more from Me; this is because our pride has made us ungrateful to the grand moments blessed upon us by the Almighty God.
Allah says all the time there are two things in mind, one better than the one existing. 39:18 Those who listen to the words, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding." Listen carefully to the words in your mind and choose the best of them. With Allah there is always as your latter life, a life much better than the one existing presently. 93:4 And surely what comes after is better for you than that which is before you. Will you then not choose the one better than the better one, and then again the much better one, than that which is before you, if you are believer in the after life? Will you not fear your future? Will you not then stop being satisfied with what you are endowed as good life today as only a test unto you from Him, only to see you how you behave? Today's successes are only to make you know whether you fear Him lest you would lose the best of tomorrow in addition to the recession of the present life? Or, become boastful of your ability and intelligence? Or become more humble and fear Allah for your tomorrow?
Between your rejoicing at your success, and your fear for God for the morrow is decided how grateful or ungrateful you are to God for what He had blessed you with presently. Be a believer in that 'all good things come from God and all evil from yourself'. Despite your pride and arrogance what you are enjoying and rejoicing and partying is, God's Mercy and Forgiveness. Fear it is a severe test indeed from God. If only we are mindful of His verses 39:8; 93:4 and remembered the words, and listened, and observed them in our daily life Allah would have granted us more and more of Good.
yet, most are forgetful of His reminders and reminisce not the source and origin of the good events in their lives, become unmindful of Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth. These are they who invite the wrath of Allah, who would painfully survive the severest punishment from Allah till the death arrives.
Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; these are they whom Allah has guided, and it is they who are men of understanding. And surely what comes after is better for them than that which is with them.
"And when your God made it known: If you are grateful, I would certainly give to you more, and if you are ungrateful, My chastisement is truly severe." 14:7
Peace.
The Heavens Descend
At The Twinkling Of An Eye
The "twinkling of the eye" means "The closure and the opening of the eyelids", once.
All events, time, judgement, order, deliverance, execution, creation in every moment of our living in this world occur by His justice and by a command 'Be' from the God of the worlds, the Almighty Allah, and the Hour keeps passing at the 'twinkling of the eye'.
"And unto Allah belongs the Unseen of the heavens and the earth, and the matter of the Hour is but as a twinkling of the eye, or it is nearer still. Surely, Allah is Able to do all things." 16:77
The Unseen moments of our lives belong to Allah and that keeps happening as the Hour from Him during our each twinkling of the eye. From heavens down to earth and in each of every creation in between, dynamic activity and the events of such moments do take place in favour or against each of us. 7:187 "The Hour is momentous in the heavens and the earth, it will not happen but of a sudden," at the wink of eye. The net benefit of such eventualities that befall each of us, is our life of able survival or miserable distress in this world. 94: 5, 6 "Surely with dis-ease is ease; And with dis-ease is ease." The net balance is what we are suffering as we keep earning through our own wrong-doing, by His Justice and Hour, throughout our lives with ups and downs in proportion to our sin of shirk.
45:22 "And Allah created the heavens and the earth with Truth and that every soul may be rewarded for what it has earned and they shall not be wronged." The only sin that Allah shall not forgive is the shirk or any association to Him. All that we suffer here is because of this only sin, we continue to do, crossing well beyond the time period set for us for each to end our behaviour of association. The classic example being the choice we make between Allah and Doctor at times of crises. Our first call is to the doctors and ambulances and not to Allah; and in the waiting period with the bated breath, until the help from the doctors arrive, we turn to God in prayer. This is as bad as a blatant open show unto others of disrespect and disregard to God. But as believers every one knows irrespective of what religion he belongs to of the Truth, this: 6:17 And if Allah should touch you with diseases and distresses, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He gives you the Healing and cure - then He is over all things competent.
Between one closure and opening of our eyes, the Unseen events of momentous proportions happen about each individual, in the heavens and the earth according the measure of individual actions and according to how close or far is one towards his destination of the time prescribed for him.
At the wink of an eye, the time with Allah is equivalent to 50000 grand years in your calculation. Remember Allah and reminisce Him more in His Names, in gratitude for the all-encompassing ease Allah had blessed you with, amidst the dis-eases you earn.
Keep your eye contact with Allah's blessings in your RUH as His Will, that which is your wish of tomorrow within the momentous period of the wink of your eye. If you remember Him within that unit wink of an eye, it is like you had remembered Him and are giving your thanks to Him 50000 times. Allah is the Best of the Reckoners. The heavens descend closer to your feet by 50000 times.
O, our God,
The Lord of The Worlds -
Make our twinkles
Brighter than the stars;
And our reflections
Brighter than the moon;
And our luminosity
Brighter than the sun;
And our heights
Higher than the Seven Heavens.
May Allah Guide us Through the Seven Heavens and Beyond.
peace
Quote from: drfazl on November 27, 2013, 07:46:24 PM
The Heavens Descend
At The Twinkling Of An Eye
The "twinkling of the eye" means "The closure and the opening of the eyelids", once.
All events, time, judgement, order, deliverance, execution, creation in every moment of our living in this world occur by His justice and by a command 'Be' from the God of the worlds, the Almighty Allah, and the Hour keeps passing at the 'twinkling of the eye'.
"And unto Allah belongs the Unseen of the heavens and the earth, and the matter of the Hour is but as a twinkling of the eye, or it is nearer still. Surely, Allah is Able to do all things." 16:77
The Unseen moments of our lives belong to Allah and that keeps happening as the Hour from Him during our each twinkling of the eye. From heavens down to earth and in each of every creation in between, dynamic activity and the events of such moments do take place in favour or against each of us. 7:187 "The Hour is momentous in the heavens and the earth, it will not happen but of a sudden," at the wink of eye. The net benefit of such eventualities that befall each of us, is our life of able survival or miserable distress in this world. 94: 5, 6 "Surely with dis-ease is ease; And with dis-ease is ease." The net balance is what we are suffering as we keep earning through our own wrong-doing, by His Justice and Hour, throughout our lives with ups and downs in proportion to our sin of shirk.
45:22 "And Allah created the heavens and the earth with Truth and that every soul may be rewarded for what it has earned and they shall not be wronged." The only sin that Allah shall not forgive is the shirk or any association to Him. All that we suffer here is because of this only sin, we continue to do, crossing well beyond the time period set for us for each to end our behaviour of association. The classic example being the choice we make between Allah and Doctor at times of crises. Our first call is to the doctors and ambulances and not to Allah; and in the waiting period with the bated breath, until the help from the doctors arrive, we turn to God in prayer. This is as bad as a blatant open show unto others of disrespect and disregard to God. But as believers every one knows irrespective of what religion he belongs to of the Truth, this: 6:17 And if Allah should touch you with diseases and distresses, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He gives you the Healing and cure - then He is over all things competent.
Between one closure and opening of our eyes, the Unseen events of momentous proportions happen about each individual, in the heavens and the earth according the measure of individual actions and according to how close or far is one towards his destination of the time prescribed for him.
At the wink of an eye, the time with Allah is equivalent to 50000 grand years in your calculation. Remember Allah and reminisce Him more in His Names, in gratitude for the all-encompassing ease Allah had blessed you with, amidst the dis-eases you earn.
Keep your eye contact with Allah's blessings in your RUH as His Will, that which is your wish of tomorrow within the momentous period of the wink of your eye. If you remember Him within that unit wink of an eye, it is like you had remembered Him and are giving your thanks to Him 50000 times. Allah is the Best of the Reckoners. The heavens descend closer to your feet by 50000 times.
Truly this is a revelation from the Wise to the blessed one for the blessed people. 3-57,58 Quote from: drfazl on November 27, 2013, 07:46:24 PM
O, our God,
The Lord of The Worlds -
Make our twinkles
Brighter than the stars;
And our reflections
Brighter than the moon;
And our luminosity
Brighter than the sun;
And our heights
Higher than the Seven Heavens.
May Allah Guide us Through the Seven Heavens and Beyond.
peace
Amen
Quote from: drfazl on November 27, 2013, 07:46:24 PM
The Heavens Descend
At The Twinkling Of An Eye
The "twinkling of the eye" means "The closure and the opening of the eyelids", once.
All events, time, judgement, order, deliverance, execution, creation in every moment of our living in this world occur by His justice and by a command 'Be' from the God of the worlds, the Almighty Allah, and the Hour keeps passing at the 'twinkling of the eye'.
"And unto Allah belongs the Unseen of the heavens and the earth, and the matter of the Hour is but as a twinkling of the eye, or it is nearer still. Surely, Allah is Able to do all things." 16:77
The Unseen moments of our lives belong to Allah and that keeps happening as the Hour from Him during our each twinkling of the eye. From heavens down to earth and in each of every creation in between, dynamic activity and the events of such moments do take place in favour or against each of us. 7:187 "The Hour is momentous in the heavens and the earth, it will not happen but of a sudden," at the wink of eye. The net benefit of such eventualities that befall each of us, is our life of able survival or miserable distress in this world. 94: 5, 6 "Surely with dis-ease is ease; And with dis-ease is ease." The net balance is what we are suffering as we keep earning through our own wrong-doing, by His Justice and Hour, throughout our lives with ups and downs in proportion to our sin of shirk.
45:22 "And Allah created the heavens and the earth with Truth and that every soul may be rewarded for what it has earned and they shall not be wronged." The only sin that Allah shall not forgive is the shirk or any association to Him. All that we suffer here is because of this only sin, we continue to do, crossing well beyond the time period set for us for each to end our behaviour of association. The classic example being the choice we make between Allah and Doctor at times of crises. Our first call is to the doctors and ambulances and not to Allah; and in the waiting period with the bated breath, until the help from the doctors arrive, we turn to God in prayer. This is as bad as a blatant open show unto others of disrespect and disregard to God. But as believers every one knows irrespective of what religion he belongs to of the Truth, this: 6:17 And if Allah should touch you with diseases and distresses, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He gives you the Healing and cure - then He is over all things competent.
Between one closure and opening of our eyes, the Unseen events of momentous proportions happen about each individual, in the heavens and the earth according the measure of individual actions and according to how close or far is one towards his destination of the time prescribed for him.
At the wink of an eye, the time with Allah is equivalent to 50000 grand years in your calculation. Remember Allah and reminisce Him more in His Names, in gratitude for the all-encompassing ease Allah had blessed you with, amidst the dis-eases you earn.
Keep your eye contact with Allah's blessings in your RUH as His Will, that which is your wish of tomorrow within the momentous period of the wink of your eye. If you remember Him within that unit wink of an eye, it is like you had remembered Him and are giving your thanks to Him 50000 times. Allah is the Best of the Reckoners. The heavens descend closer to your feet by 50000 times.
O, our God,
The Lord of The Worlds -
Make our twinkles
Brighter than the stars;
And our reflections
Brighter than the moon;
And our luminosity
Brighter than the sun;
And our heights
Higher than the Seven Heavens.
May Allah Guide us Through the Seven Heavens and Beyond.
peace
Truly Gods Blessing.. Its reminding me 1:1
Quote from: huruf on November 26, 2013, 06:57:05 AM
What a great thread this is! It gives so much hope, so much to work on too! In sha' Allah, in sha' Allah.
Salaam Huruf,
With pondering and appreciative reflection on each word, it will lead to clarity and wisdom.
I endorse it totally.
Gita
Quote from: drfazl on November 24, 2013, 10:21:56 PM
The ALR
14:1 Alif Lam Ra. The Book which We have revealed to you that you may bring forth men, by their God's permission from utter darknesses into light-- to the way of the Mighty, the Praised One.
This is a Mighty Promise and a Heavy Word from the Almighty.
Peace Dr Fazl,
Can you explain what is meant by "Heavy Word".
Gita
Quote from: Wiselite on November 28, 2013, 09:51:37 AM
Peace Dr Fazl,
Can you explain what is meant by "Heavy Word".
Gita
Word of Allah In The Deep Of Our Hearts
It is the command of Allah you would receive as His Will that which is impossible for the entire mankind to visualise even in their wildest dreams. Yet you will act on the order and command of Allah by which you would establish the Signs, Allah is competent over all things. Example, when Musa by the command of Allah, separated the sea into two mountainous portions paving the dry path in the middle for the people of Israel to cross the ocean; striking the rock with his staff by His command and causing 12 springs flowing through the habitation of the people of Israel; defeating the terrific magicians of the state of Firaun who by their magic would even topple the mountains, by the command of Allah using his ordinary staff; and who commanded the clouds to hover above them giving the people of Musa, by the leave of Allah, shade and coolness in the thus far abandoned area of nature which is deserted with no water below and with the scorching sun above.
If you are a believer in this, it is no more a heavy word for it is easy to Allah to make the deserts into gardens; and in which the rivers would flow underneath; and you can cause torrents of rain from above; and cause clouds hover above as protection from the sun, all by the leave of God, if you are a believer in such and much heavier things of beauty that are rotting in your hearts lying idle without giving it a thought and allow it to spring up by surrendering before your God and asking for it from your God.
And upon Esa the heaviest word descended from Allah as command and by Whose leave He shaped up a bird and breathed into it and it became a real bird; raising up dead from their graves; spoke to the people while he was a baby in the cradle; cured the lepers and born blind all by His command and leave. And the heaviest word upon the Nuh by Whose command and under supervision the first ship, non-drowning was built.
And upon Zulqurnain, Ayyub, Ibrahim, Lut, Yacub, Yusuf, Hud, Salih, Shuaib the heaviest words as Allah's command descended which they did act upon and show by His leave, to make the entire mankind believe and prostrate their minds totally surrendering to the Will of God in all their lives, if they wanted them all alive and lively forever.
Such grand things do happen in all our lives individually to them and upon them collectively which we would say as 'good-luck', grace of God, wrath of God etc. All the world is struggling for their lives with pain and loss of hopes of living even at the meanest level. Yet, we lead comparatively an honourable existence and hope to lead better living tomorrow; this again a heavy task ahead of us; but it is Allah's command, "You shall neither worry nor would you fear." From our capacity it is impossible for us to deliver this ourselves. But it is a command from Him we would not reject but love to embrace such a life. This is how by His Grace we are being led in His path and leading the life already.
Those who would reflect on this, Allah would guide them to be in His remembrance; and upon them He would send heavier words as His Promise and Command. You would now know that whatever in your heart as as wonderfully beautiful, is impossible with you; but it is easy for your God. Believe in Him and await on Him. You bow to His Command; it should happen before you and as a sign for others to hope for with belief and patience. In this manner each of all mankind is expected by the Almighty, to receive His Command; and expand the hearts to receive and harbour the mightiest word; it will be unfolded and revealed as a great events n all your lives; and thus all heaven bound, and foremost shall be as a sign and as an ayat from Allah unto each other.
And like Prophet Yahya, each of us would complete our life here as ones who testified a word or an ayat of Allah in this world establishing Allah is competent over all things.
"So the angels called on Zakariya while he was deep in the remembrance of Allah's Grace, "Indeed, Allah gives you good tidings of Yahya,
confirming a word from Allah and honourable, abstaining, and a prophet from among the righteous."
Peace
Great Indeed. Thanks Drfazl and thanks Wiselight for asking about Heavy Word. Its becoming interesting as new wisdom is revealed in different dimensions and Allah is definitely satisfied with HIS creations.
Who are the people of understanding?
Night and Day is ever changing and keeps changing day in and day out; and night in and night out. Today's night is not the same as yesterday's; and tomorrow's day is not this day. Every day and night is newly created as reward and punishment to what each individual has earned because of his shirk or whatever he had done associating his knowledge and toiling to God's Wisdom and lively living. Every breathing and every moment of life is happening with the altered creation of air, water, and food and crops - and in each of their atom of air, drop of water and grain of produce: its surviving capacity is justly measured to each individual for what he is doing as wrong and righteous. Each day and night for everyone of us is individualised through the work of seven heavens upon each of our habitation by the command of Allah - as good for the good; and as bad for the bad. Accordingly, the habitat may not receive rain or shade of cloud and left high and dry; or the earth may be flourishing with lively green with rich scenery and with torrents of shower and cool breeze. And each one shall have and living in his well measured share of combinations between the two climates and atmospheres set for him, by the command of Allah.
Is then there any who pay heed? No knowledge of the earth has any say in this! Except when we stand stamping upon our pride, all knowledge of human beings and bowing and prostrating with humility before God. Stay away from the scientific, visible, and deadly knowledge; and bow before the unseen Wisdom of Allah for the Grant of it from Him by His leave. Be prayerful for the wisdom of Allah instead of going head over heels upon the earthy science knowledge of the people. With their science can they have a command on the skies? Is not the earth surviving by the grace of the skies? And are the skies not looking up to Allah for His commands?
2:164 Most surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the ever changing of the night and the day, and the ships that run in the sea with that which profits men, and the water that Allah sends down from the cloud, then gives life with it to the earth after its death and spreads in it all animals, and the changing of the winds and the clouds made subservient between the heaven and the earth,
there are signs for a people who understand.Peace
The question and answer here is the one that took place through PM by one of the forum members is given under for the benefit of the readers concerned.
Dr Fazl, I have an internal dilemma, my ultimate goal is to please Allah and do not associate ANYTHING to Allah. With this concept of association, is it the action or the understanding is what is stamped as "shirk". For instance, I had horrible back pain at a particular spot on my back the other night. Enough pain that I felt some people would go to the E.R. out of caution, but I denied that option and decided to pray to Allah. During the night, I placed a ice pack on my back. Would I be committing "shirk" because I placed an ice pack on my back because I am not relying solely on Allah to heal me with no assistance of anything kind, even a ice pack? I am confused :(
- kay.
Suppose I ask you, Kay, if the ice pack cured your pain or Allah, what would your reply be? Allah! Isn't it?
- Yes.
Dr: Then why did you place the ice pack on your back?
Kay: May be Allah guided me?
D: Then the ice pack would be pain curer to which Allah turns you to and not to Him?
K: No, to Him should be our return. But then why should there be a relief to my pain when I placed the ice pack?
D: When you had the terrible pain in the night, Allah's glad tiding descend upon your Ruh; and from your Ruh, the message is conveyed to your mind by the appointed malayika upon you. That is your first instinct and you dearly wanted it and wished for it; that very same moment it was accepted by God as your submission to Him; and you know when God says to a thing 'Be' it is. Another important thing we shall know is for everything there is God's predetermined period, before its occurrence or manifestation. This is the reason why a believer should practice patience.
Is it not that you should have observed patience seeking from Him the patience, once submission to God is made as your dear wish?
K: But when Allah intends a thing 'Be' it should be there; but why then the delay?
D: Have you not read, He tests your patience and perseverance and endurance in His path? And every bit of your endurance is written down for your best recompense so that your future would be free from distress and full of His Bounties 9:120 ?
K: And is it that then it was about that time, i.e about the end of God's predetermined time when I should have become freed from my pain by His Grace, I had applied the ice pack?
D: Do you still have doubts?
K: Is it then I have committed shirk?
D: Allah is most forgiving; so when you ask for forgiveness the matter is over there.
K: Then I can continue with my shirk?
D: If you do not seek from Him to protect you from further shirk, and fear Him that you shall not repeat the mistake and keep seeking His Help all the time, then you are likely to be tested lightly or severely. It necessarily need not be a punishment. Despite this if you fail to maintain patience and err, and as a result you associate certain of your knowledge to suit your comfort, know that Allah is Oft-Returning and Most Merciful. So rejoice in such God's Mercy; yet it is better for you if you are mindful of what you do.
Peace.
Peace,
Arabic is not required to get at 'wahi' or to receive the revelation of the signs of the ayats of Allah.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.msg342578#msg342578
Peace
The Shadow of What We Earn
Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 16:48
The shadows: Everything Allah created has its shadow flowing from it: either extending away from it or inclining towards it. The shadow is closely associated with each and every creation of Allah. The shadow Allah describes is not the earthy shadows that recede from the west and extend towards the east, but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.
Quote from: drfazl on December 05, 2013, 01:23:05 AM
The Shadow of What We Earn
Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 16:48
The shadows: Everything Allah created has its shadow flowing from it: either extending away from it or inclining towards it. The shadow is closely associated with each and every creation of Allah. The shadow Allah describes is not the earthy shadows that recede from the west and extend towards the east, but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.
Dr.Fazl, I want some clarifications on your previous post.
1. Whether it is a visible shadow or invisible shadow. ?
2. So far i have learnt a shadow is formed when a object is obstructing a light. This is what i have learnt from my physical knowledge. A shadow should have 3 things 1-umbra,2-penumbra,3-antumbra. The shadow which you mean does it have these qualities ?
3. What is meant by earthly shadows and heavenly shadows? How do you classify a shadow as a beneficial one or a harmful one. ?
I will be pleased if you clear my doubts.
Quote from: drfazl on December 05, 2013, 01:23:05 AM
The Shadow of What We Earn
Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 16:48
but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.
Peace Dr Fazl,
Heavenly bodies - does it mean Malaiyikas ?
Please clarify.
Gita
Peace,
When to call Allah
And When to call Rubb, God
The Quran uses the word "Allah" when referring to the "One God" of the heavens and the earth and everything in between - all put together. Otherwise it is just the 'Rubb', meaning the God, inherently possessing all of the individual Attributes of Allah. Mostly when you seek from the earthly manifest things of Allah, delinking yourself from the hidden treasures of the heavens from where by Allah's command the mighty power descend in the abstract form to create every kind of produce for the living beings on the earth.
So when you call on Allah, know that you need a fresh creation that the world does not know thus far, discreetly as a Sign unto you from Him, Allah, to strengthen your peace or salam with Him, through His wisdom, to stand all alone in this world, and thus your Will is to be a Muslim unto Him. But if your need is of the created things or some of the visible produce that make your daily requirement for the living, call Allah as God and by His individual Attributes; or in other sense call on God when you seek from the Most Bountiful and the Most Benevolent out of what you know already as possessors of the earthly material knowledge, the idols.
Collectively calling on The One, by all His Attributes in mind, then it is "ALLAH" the only VOCABULARY, that encompasses the entire gamut of His Kingdom, the heavens and the earth and everything in between. And a Sign from Allah descends upon such of His bondsmen upon who He is pleased with the Sign having all of God's Attributes as an abstract power and as a stamp of His Authority. These are the Messengers, the chosen Muslims from among the mumins. No amount of dictionaries in the entire world with all their languages can get the glimpse of the meaning of the Word Allah. It shall have to be given to one's Ruh as a feel through Wahi by Allah.
Before you are chosen by Allah as Muslims seek from the state of your toddler's steps of being a mumin, from your God thus:
2:128 Our Rubb, O God, and make us Muslims unto You and from our descendants a Muslim nation unto You. And teach us our 'calling' and accept our repentance. Indeed, You are the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.
Observe in the above ayat how Rubb or God is complimented with Allah's Attributes in the end of their 'calling'.
Please read through this link:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606019.msg342675#msg342675
Quote from: drfazl on December 05, 2013, 01:23:05 AM
The Shadow of What We Earn
Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 16:48
The shadows: Everything Allah created has its shadow flowing from it: either extending away from it or inclining towards it. The shadow is closely associated with each and every creation of Allah. The shadow Allah describes is not the earthy shadows that recede from the west and extend towards the east, but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.
Peace DrFazl
The revelation of 16:48 doubly confirms when applied for 18:17 and sense better
18:17 And you see the sun when it rises, it visits their cave from the right, and when it sets, it touches them from the left, while they are in an enclosure from it. That is from the signs of God. Whoever God guides is the guided one, and whoever He misguides, you will not find for him any ally to give direction.
Quote from: dr.rks on December 05, 2013, 11:47:02 AM
Dr.Fazl, I want some clarifications on your previous post.
1. Whether it is a visible shadow or invisible shadow. ?
2. So far i have learnt a shadow is formed when a object is obstructing a light. This is what i have learnt from my physical knowledge. A shadow should have 3 things 1-umbra,2-penumbra,3-antumbra. The shadow which you mean does it have these qualities ?
3. What is meant by earthly shadows and heavenly shadows? How do you classify a shadow as a beneficial one or a harmful one. ?
I will be pleased if you clear my doubts.
Peace dr. rks,
When it comes to Quran what we understand subjectively by sense from any single letter, or a word, or a phrase, or a Signature verse of the Scriptures of Allah is of paramount importance. The shadow means the unseen good and bad events in the formation, in and about the entire universal force, according to our good and bad deeds. The shadows always cast around us to our right and to our left. Shadow on the right side means good news and rewards; and that of the left side means bad news and adversities. In any of our activities and speeches, all our lives, always there is this mixture of the shadows earning our ease and disease, because there is always a mixture of our Iman with worldly associations throughout our lives.
Peace.
Quote from: Wiselite on December 05, 2013, 12:00:15 PM
Peace Dr Fazl,
Heavenly bodies - does it mean Malaiyikas ?
Please clarify.
Gita
Peace,
Heaven, we have not seen but we believe there is heaven without doubt; this is wisdom far above knowledge, going well beyond cleaving the skies, by sevens. Your souls that inherit such wisdom and encompass the truthful secrets of those that are seen and that are unseen are the heavenly bodies. In this way the malayikas, the jinns, the hell, the heaven, the foremost, the prophets, the messengers, the good doers, the helpers, the martyrs, living and non living - and such of the unseen truthful realities dawned upon us by Allah, the Universal God, are also among the heavenly bodies; this apart, the heavenly bodies include various lesser creations such as the air, the forces, the planets, the stars, sun, moon and such other things seen and unseen from above the skies down to earth, and that which fill up deep down are all the heavenly bodies.
The Prayer of the Pious
We cannot give birth to such of our descendants who would mislead His servants, to inherit this world after us. But for our own wickedness, disbelief and rejection, the world would have been heaven of Firdhouse, inhabited by the honoured guests of Allah purified of its infestation by the companions of shaitans. The newly married couple shall pledge this before their God: O God, save us and our progenies from inclining towards every evil temperament and the tantrums due to the evil whisperings.
This is based on the verse
"And Nuh said, "My God, do not leave upon the earth from among the disbelievers an inhabitant.
This is a prayer against ourselves too if we are of that order. Such are the prayers of the pious.
The Prayer for the Expecting Mothers
Most pregnant women pray to their God and say: O my God, make my pregnancy be uneventful; and may my delivery be smooth; I want a healthy cuddly male baby; or female baby and nothing more. But --
When the wife of 'Imran said: "O my God! I vow to surrender what is in my womb to be at Your services; so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing." And when she delivered her female baby she further said, "I turn to You to save her and her progenies from the accursed evil-force."
Allah accepts this prayer of Imran's wife as a beautiful prayer; He not only gave her a female baby but kept her pure from shaitan even nearing her all through her life and made her the most chaste woman in all the worlds.
The above in green should be the prayer of all pregnant women during pregnancy and on delivering the baby. Imran's wife is only an ordinary woman whose prayer and submission is well received and answered with a beautiful reward by the Almighty Allah. This confirms what Allah says in 57:29 So that the people holding on to the Book may know that they have no power whatsoever over the Grace of Allah, and that His Grace is in His Hand to bestow it on whomsoever He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.
All women shall follow the prayer of the wife of Imran, and be blessed with the Bounties and Grace from Him from every direction.
peace Dr,
every-time as i read the ayats, i get locked in some of the ayat. i see that ayat as the interlock between me and the ayat at that particular point of time. then this ayat links with the another ayat for confirmation and clarity. in this way, as once you have said earlier, every ayat is interlinked.
again, in this way, i wonder how 71:27; 3:35, 36; 57:29 is interlinked in your posts. really a blessing, humans evolve if they can interlink the ayats in their life.
Allah alone is sufficient for the interlinks in more number of ayats paving the way for our easy living.
peace
Quote from: drfazl on December 26, 2013, 08:25:58 AM
The Prayer for the Expecting Mothers
Most pregnant women pray to their God and say: O my God, make my pregnancy be uneventful; and may my delivery be smooth; I want a healthy cuddly male baby; or female baby and nothing more. But --
When the wife of 'Imran said: "O my God! I vow to surrender what is in my womb to be at Your services; so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing." And when she delivered her female baby she further said, "I turn to You to save her and her progenies from the accursed evil-force."
Allah accepts this prayer of Imran's wife as a beautiful prayer; He not only gave her a female baby but kept her pure from shaitan even nearing her all through her life and made her the most chaste woman in all the worlds.
The above in green should be the prayer of all pregnant women during pregnancy and on delivering the baby. Imran's wife is only an ordinary woman whose prayer and submission is well received and answered with a beautiful reward by the Almighty Allah. This confirms what Allah says in 57:29 So that the people holding on to the Book may know that they have no power whatsoever over the Grace of Allah, and that His Grace is in His Hand to bestow it on whomsoever He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.
All women shall follow the prayer of the wife of Imran, and be blessed with the Bounties and Grace from Him from every direction.
Salam drfazl (hope you have been unblocked by now),
This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?
Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.
So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?
Please read 3:36 here: http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=36
For the sake of discussion, lets read Yusuf Ali:
When she was delivered, she said: (Falamma wadaAAat-ha qalat)
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- (rabbi innee wadaAAtuha ontha)
and Allah knew best what she brought forth- (waAllahu aAAlamu bima wadaAAat)
"And no wise is the male Like the female. (walaysa alththakaru kaalontha)
I have named her Mary, (wa-innee sammaytuha maryama)
and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected." (wa-innee oAAeethuha bika wathurriyyataha mina alshshaytani alrrajeem)
So the question is, what is 'ontha'? Here is the entry by Hans Wehr, on page 30.
(http://s26.postimg.org/irdequmbt/a_n_th.jpg)
While this is the entry for 'thakar' on page 310.
(http://s26.postimg.org/aj6vs451l/th_k_r_2.jpg)
I trust this phrase is the key: "... walaysa al
ththakaru kaalontha ..."
Yusuf Ali: "And no wise is the male Like the female.
Sahih International: And the male is not like the female.
Pickthall: the male is not as the female;
Shakir: and the male is not like the female,
Muhammad Sarwar: Male and female are not alike.
Mohsin Khan: "And the male is not like the female,
Arberry: the male is not as the female.
A Monotheist Translation: "And the male is not like the female,
Really, what does this phrase ("... walaysa al
ththakaru kaalontha ...") mean?
If it is a baby (boy) the Arabic is '
tifl' (
t-f-l), and '
tiflah' for a baby girl.
Literally the phrase means :
walaysa al
ththakaru : and/as the male/penis is not
kaalontha : like feminine/unmanly
So we could either read it like this: and/as the male is not like feminine
Or : and/as the penis is not like unmanly
Either way, this phrase should clearly indicate that the baby was:
a. feminine or unmanly; and
b. has a male organ
In fact, traditionally 'ontha' refers to 'a girl/woman with unmanly penis'.
And Maryam was an 'ontha', born to the respected Family of Imran, but raised by Zakariya, a respected elder (hukm) in his community. Even in Zakariya's care, Maryam was confined to a room away from people. We read about this in 3:37 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=37).
In the same verse we also learn about how close was Maryam with God, so much so that God even provided her with unimaginable (at least to Zakariya) provisions. Then Maryam was to be pregnant without a husband. She later left the comfort of Zakariya's care and gave birth to Isha under a palm tree.
Just imagine how great was Maryam's tests, trials and tribulations. Imagine the shock (or perhaps even shame) of her parents. Imagine the look and talk of the people around Maryam. Most people would be bewildered with a daughter like Maryam. Her mother was not an exception, since she gave Maryam to Zakariya's care. Then Maryam got pregnant without a husband. Then the birth of Isha. But as a true servant of God, totally submitting herself to God, Maryam overcame all obstacles with gratitude.
To me, the narrative (hadith) on Maryam is a indeed a reminder to all of us (generations after Maryam) about:
Being careful and wise with what we say to God. While there are times when we need to be general (indefinite) about what we ask for or pledge to, there are also times when we need to be very definite. Otherwise, everything will be up to God alone to determine, as in the case of Maryam's mother. She pledged her pregnancy totally and solely to God, and she didn't give birth to a male nor a female, but an 'ontha'. Are we prepared for that?
But instead we should take lessons from Zakariya. "As if it is hard/difficult!" ("Kahiya AAa
ssa" from 'Kaf Ha Ya Ain Sod' in 19:1). Zakariya was very definite in his prayers to God. Please read 19:1 to 19:6. So understandably, God was definite with His reply.
But this is merely my personal comprehension. It may not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.
God be with you guys.
Cheers!
mohammed noh
Quote from: Joe Betik on December 26, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
Salam drfazl (hope you have been unblocked by now),
This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?
Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.
So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?
Joe Betik
Salam
Keep God more in mind and discard the rubbishes.
Your thinking points to me you are original and not a follower of majority people's ways and so towards wisdom you are moved on; Allah guides those who listen to all such wise thinking selfs when they assemble and exchange among them their light weight to heavy weight perspectives and notions with a view to a greater understanding and for a broader sense of application so that each of them are fine tuned all the time, by Allah. For Allah loves them all.
Based on your light, the ayat is:
When she was delivered, she said:
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a feminine male!"-
and Allah knew best what she brought forth-
"And the male is not like that I have 'feminined';
Or, the penis is not like unmanly."
"I have named her Mary,
and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."
Based on this light you shall say: Adam was created with male and female component and then from the twin of him the female is separated; thereafter male and female originated as the finality of human creation. Though this was from the comic caricature of hadith graphics, the view is strongly instilled into the largest section of theologians of various scriptures, the truth is Adam is mankind with males and females cropped out of the sand as the first creation with a word 'Be' from Him all over the world. Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.
This apart, is there any reference in Quran that God created male and female in one; and such are the blessed people to give rise to people of prophets' status?
Is it to be feared if we are not precise in our submission to Allah, we should face difficult tests on this earth because of our entrusting wholesomely for a handsome reward? Any referential ayats?
Our submission is mostly with regard to our future; and our future is entirely with Allah. We put our Trust in Him alone for all life to come. This in mind I pray to God, " O Allah, the God of the universes, I entrust myself and my family to You under Your responsibility and do not leave us under our care, ever; and You guide us in the Straight path."
I want to clear this from you Joe, before going into other parts of your post, which I do want to.
Quote from: Joe Betik on December 26, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
And Maryam was an 'ontha', born to the respected Family of Imran, but raised by Zakariya, a respected elder (hukm) in his community. Even in Zakariya's care, Maryam was confined to a room away from people. We read about this in 3:37 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=37).
In the same verse we also learn about how close was Maryam with God, so much so that God even provided her with unimaginable (at least to Zakariya) provisions. Then Maryam was to be pregnant without a husband. She later left the comfort of Zakariya's care and gave birth to Isha under a palm tree.
Just imagine how great was Maryam's tests, trials and tribulations. Imagine the shock (or perhaps even shame) of her parents. Imagine the look and talk of the people around Maryam. Most people would be bewildered with a daughter like Maryam. Her mother was not an exception, since she gave Maryam to Zakariya's care. Then Maryam got pregnant without a husband. Then the birth of Isha. But as a true servant of God, totally submitting herself to God, Maryam overcame all obstacles with gratitude.
To me, the narrative (hadith) on Maryam is a indeed a reminder to all of us (generations after Maryam) about:
Being careful and wise with what we say to God. While there are times when we need to be general (indefinite) about what we ask for or pledge to, there are also times when we need to be very definite. Otherwise, everything will be up to God alone to determine, as in the case of Maryam's mother. She pledged her pregnancy totally and solely to God, and she didn't give birth to a male nor a female, but an 'ontha'. Are we prepared for that?
But instead we should take lessons from Zakariya. "As if it is hard/difficult!" ("Kahiya AAassa" from 'Kaf Ha Ya Ain Sod' in 19:1). Zakariya was very definite in his prayers to God. Please read 19:1 to 19:6. So understandably, God was definite with His reply.
But this is merely my personal comprehension. It may not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.
God be with you guys.
Cheers!
mohammed noh
Salam
Quote from: drfazl on December 26, 2013, 09:19:31 PM
Adam is mankind with males and females cropped out of the sand as the first creation with a word 'Be' from Him all over the world. Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.
peace Dr,
i wish to join in this discussion from a different angle apart from Joe Betik's.
mankind with different colours is due to their amount of exposure to sunlight. this is the argument from the people who call themselves as scientists. how is this argument seen in the light of quran.
peace
Quote from: DrGm on December 27, 2013, 12:11:14 AM
peace Dr,
i wish to join in this discussion from a different angle apart from Joe Betik's.
mankind with different colours is due to their amount of exposure to sunlight. this is the argument from the people who call themselves as scientists. how is this argument seen in the light of quran.
peace
DrGm,
Peace.
Science means seeing anything through the external sight and the external senses before believing it. Science has no inner vision; and the believers in the science are a community devoid of perception of materially non-existing things such as life-force, mind, belief, God etc and they are a people whose insight is blinded almost. For this reason they cannot believe God, they cannot understand the life-force, their perception about mind is vague - yet all these are arguable materials for them; their science dealing with this field is compilation of wild conjectures called philosophies.
Color, shape, size, height, weight - all such and more are The Only Designer's Fashioning and none shall have any definite say as to how and why things are like this way, and that. Unless they prove with their scientific methodology such as this: that a population of whites settle down in Africa for a few generations and confirm through their scientific external senses that their offsprings have become black. And let a community of blacks settle down in England and see if their offsprings turn white. Have they done this test? No. The truth is this: those whose generations are the descendants from the first crop of man from their original sands, as the whole of Adam's community first propped up in the entire land of the earth, in one 'go', do have the inherent quality of color, never to change.
The Adam's community of the world, the first crop of generations from all over the world began moving from one place to another place via land and the sea mixing with the people of different lands of various crops and getting to know each other with their insight and mind perceptivity; and understanding them all as the same humans with their cognitive constancy.
Sun burning to change the white color to brown or black; or snow bathing to change brown or black color to white is impossible. It is very evident from the fact that the sun or snow bathers never were able to change their skin colours, or give birth to dark colored or white coloured off springs after tanning during their pregnancies.
Scientists form a great majority section of the people who are blinded by the insight; and the products of their external senses and their knowledge would soon become obsolete, turn yellow, become crusts, and disappear into thin air as the time passes by. All that their science delivers to them is fake and destructive and objectionable objects as their inventions. It never caters to the insight and visionary life of a human being. They are the people who debate and argue with pride for no use to them or to the human race.
From Quran's perspective the relevance of 6: 116 absolutely fits the context the world is in:
Thus: "Never follow the science of the people on the earth; lest they should deviate you from the Inspiring Sign of your insight and make you loiter and go astray chasing every object you see through your illusionary sci-fi external sights; they follow nothing but hypotheses; and they are a people drowned in their own hypotheses."
Quote from: Joe Betik on December 26, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
Either way, this phrase should clearly indicate that the baby was:
a. feminine or unmanly; and
b. has a male organ
In fact, traditionally 'ontha' refers to 'a girl/woman with unmanly penis'.
Quote from: drfazl on December 26, 2013, 09:19:31 PM
Based on your light, the ayat is:
When she was delivered, she said:
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a feminine male!"-
Peace -- bizarre translation! It is clear untha in all occurrences means female.
3:36 فلما so when وضعتها delivered her قالت said she رب lord انى that I وضعتها delivered her
انثى untha/female والله and the god اعلم of knowledge بما in what وضعت delivered ولىس and not is
الذكر the male
كالانثى as the female
4:11 ىوصىكم directs you الله the god فى in اولادكم children yours
للذكر lildhakari/to the male مثل like حظ share
الانثىىن al-unthayayni/the female two
Quote from: drfazl on December 26, 2013, 09:19:31 PM
When she was delivered, she said:
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a feminine male!"-
and Allah knew best what she brought forth-
"And the male is not like that I have 'feminined';
Or, the penis is not like unmanly."
"I have named her Mary,
and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."
Ya Allooooh!!!
@ Earthdom,
No need to exclaim with such emotion; the discussion had just started; have some patience. Instead of reacting, come out with your explanation in a beautiful manner. We are all here to take the best of the revelations, for sure.
@ Noon waalqalami,
While appreciating your effort at giving the translation, I would also want you to say your view on it; participate and put in your valuable comprehension if they have advantage over others' views with a goodly revelation.
Peace,
In the Name of Allah, Knower of all Things, Most Wise.
Association of Human 'arabic-gymnastics' to God's Verbatim
Quote from: Joe Betik on December 26, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
Salam drfazl
This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?
Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.
So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?
Salam,
Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, Earthdom,
Imran's wife said to God: "3:36 I delivered a female child!" i.e a very normal female child as we all would appreciate a baby as to what gender it is. When Imran's wife said this, she meant to her God, 'how a female baby could do all God's commands before a male dominated community and be of service in His cause. To this her God said: The male progeny whom you thought could be fit enough to be in My service, is not like the female, Maryam, I have given you now. Allah makes her to be the ultimate model for The Pure among women in Allah's Cause and Chaste Woman in the entire worlds who would bear in her womb that which Imran's wife submitted to her God when she was pregnant. Then Maryam, the perfect among women confronted with a malayika, a real looking male stranger who appeared before her with a Glad news and argued with him with regard to her pregnancy as to how it was possible when no man ever touched her and when she was not immoral - all the while seeking protection from her Rahman from the stranger malayika.
Joe Betik, all these incidents are plain and simple and clear verbatim particular of Quran that Maryam is a girl baby, she comes of age, she matures into adult female, she knows only when a male touches her she would be pregnant, she knows what chaste means, she knows what immorality means to the extent she argues with a stranger in malayika, she sought protection from her Rahman for protection of her chastity. Allah commends her vigilance in the ayat:
66:12 And Maryam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.
The words Maryam, the daughter of Imran, guarded her, chastity, breathed into her, she accepted - all these are direct meanings to say Maryam, the daughter of Imran has been delivered of a girl baby.
Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, earthdom,
The problem with you people is your association to human invented dictionaries and useless man made grammar to each of all the God taught communication verbatim. All God taught languages are for communication of the feel and wisdom you have as The Truths, breathed in your hearts by Allah.
Go by the verbatim of Quran seeking God's help to teach you His Quran, word by word, devoid of the woeful grammar and their never ending despicable thesaurus meanings by which alone you can engage in endless arguments and debates. Do not go by the shaitan invented purposeless multiple thesauruses for One Word of Allah's and proudly call it a language and equate this human invention to the Quran verbatim of Allah. Because of your association of your human languages, you have blocked Allah's direct teaching you of His Quran; and because of your failure to pray to Allah seeking protection from shaitan, the rejected one, you had failed to shun shaitans' grammar/thesaurus manoeuvred languages; and shaitan made each of you become proud with your own language skills and abilities. This pride is shaitan. The result of this association of languages to God's direct teachings is: You become well versed in the languages and have become very poor in 'comprehension and communication on the dot' of Godsend feel in your Ruh.
If Joe Betik has come out with his self-limited abilities using his man made arabic, a view point you should not exclaim
Ya Allooooh!!! as if you are honest in your understanding; if you are honest in your comprehension and if only you know prostrate to this Truth, Allah teaches whom He will; and guides whom He will. Argument is not Allah's way and it is unbecoming of a pious believer to argue before Allah. Allah says receive all the view points and choose the best of them all. Allah guides only these and these are the people who shall Know from Him.
Joe Betik, I am awaiting you to strengthen your view on Maryam using your fullest man-made-arabic language ability without contradicting the Aalimul Ghaib's (The Knower of All Hidden Truths) Quran. If your obedience is to be taught of the secrets of Quran, and be Guided through the seven skies to the heavens ultimately, then throw away shaitan's gymnastic lexicons, his chaos mongering languages that should give you only the pride that you know a language; and that it does not serve your purpose of reading, The Great Reading.
Quote from: drfazl on December 27, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Association of Human 'arabic-gymnastics' to God's Verbatim
Salam,
Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, Earthdom,
Imran's wife said to God: "3:36 I delivered a female child!" i.e a very normal female child as we all would appreciate a baby as to what gender it is. When Imran's wife said this, she meant to her God, 'how a female baby could do all God's commands before a male dominated community and be of service in His cause. To this her God said: The male progeny whom you thought could be fit enough to be in My service, is not like the female, Maryam, I have given you now. Allah makes her to be the ultimate model for The Pure among women in Allah's Cause and Chaste Woman in the entire worlds who would bear in her womb that which Imran's wife submitted to her God when she was pregnant. Then Maryam, the perfect among women confronted with a malayika, a real looking male stranger who appeared before her with a Glad news and argued with him with regard to her pregnancy as to how it was possible when no man ever touched her and when she was not immoral - all the while seeking protection from her Rahman from the stranger malayika.
Joe Betik, all these incidents are plain and simple and clear verbatim particular of Quran that Maryam is a girl baby, she comes of age, she matures into adult female, she knows only when a male touches her she would be pregnant, she knows what chaste means, she knows what immorality means to the extent she argues with a stranger in malayika, she sought protection from her Rahman for protection of her chastity. Allah commends her vigilance in the ayat:
66:12 And Maryam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.
The words Maryam, the daughter of Imran, guarded her, chastity, breathed into her, she accepted - all these are direct meanings to say Maryam, the daughter of Imran has been delivered of a girl baby.
Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, earthdom,
The problem with you people is your association to human invented dictionaries and useless man made grammar to each of all the God taught communication verbatim. All God taught languages are for communication of the feel and wisdom you have as The Truths, breathed in your hearts by Allah.
Go by the verbatim of Quran seeking God's help to teach you His Quran, word by word, devoid of the woeful grammar and their never ending despicable thesaurus meanings by which alone you can engage in endless arguments and debates. Do not go by the shaitan invented purposeless multiple thesauruses for One Word of Allah's and proudly call it a language and equate this human invention to the Quran verbatim of Allah. Because of your association of your human languages, you have blocked Allah's direct teaching you of His Quran; and because of your failure to pray to Allah seeking protection from shaitan, the rejected one, you had failed to shun shaitans' grammar/thesaurus manoeuvred languages; and shaitan made each of you become proud with your own language skills and abilities. This pride is shaitan. The result of this association of languages to God's direct teachings is: You become well versed in the languages and have become very poor in 'comprehension and communication on the dot' of Godsend feel in your Ruh.
If Joe Betik has come out with his self-limited abilities using his man made arabic, a view point you should not exclaim Ya Allooooh!!! as if you are honest in your understanding; if you are honest in your comprehension and if only you know prostrate to this Truth, Allah teaches whom He will; and guides whom He will. Argument is not Allah's way and it is unbecoming of a pious believer to argue before Allah. Allah says receive all the view points and choose the best of them all. Allah guides only these and these are the people who shall Know from Him.
Joe Betik, I am awaiting you to strengthen your view on Maryam using your fullest man-made-arabic language ability without contradicting the Aalimul Ghaib's (The Knower of All Hidden Truths) Quran. If your obedience is to be taught of the secrets of Quran, and be Guided through the seven skies to the heavens ultimately, then throw away shaitan's gymnastic lexicons, his chaos mongering languages that should give you only the pride that you know a language; and that it does not serve your purpose of reading, The Great Reading.
So why did god choose this man made language to give his message? Surely - then the fault lies with god? He made Quran reliant upon Arabic? So - if god made Quran bound to Arabic . . .then so is everyone else.
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 27, 2013, 11:40:52 PM
So why did god choose this man made language to give his message? Surely - then the fault lies with god? He made Quran reliant upon Arabic? So - if god made Quran bound to Arabic . . .then so is everyone else.
You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made? And what was your take on the subject matter taken? Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper? Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language? And then followed by another member using his lexicon starting a debate and argument that would run to volumes of counters to no end. This is your man-made-arabic. Or for that matter in any language the discussion is no discussion but purely arguments each sticking to his view finally to say: To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
God chose arabic because the arabians were the worst of its kind in the entire world when the Prophet was chosen to guide such a fallen people who were wild in nature without sense and mind. If the Russians were even worse at that time, the Quran would have come in the Russian. So the choice is not for the language but for the people, worst hit by shaitan.
What does this ayat mean ...
54: 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
For each of the word, WE, Easy, Remembrance, But, Is there Anyone, Mind -
Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living: the word for word: meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...
I know chimp, you are interested in arguments and when you are asked to sit down for a conclusive end on a matter, you would walk away as you did in our previous encounter sometime ago.
Quote from: drfazl on December 27, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Association of Human 'arabic-gymnastics' to God's Verbatim
Salam,
Joe Betik, ...
...
The problem with you people is your association to human invented dictionaries and useless man made grammar to each of all the God taught communication verbatim. All God taught languages are for communication of the feel and wisdom you have as The Truths, breathed in your hearts by Allah.
Go by the verbatim of Quran seeking God's help to teach you His Quran, word by word, devoid of the woeful grammar and their never ending despicable thesaurus meanings by which alone you can engage in endless arguments and debates. Do not go by the shaitan invented purposeless multiple thesauruses for One Word of Allah's and proudly call it a language and equate this human invention to the Quran verbatim of Allah. Because of your association of your human languages, you have blocked Allah's direct teaching you of His Quran; and because of your failure to pray to Allah seeking protection from shaitan, the rejected one, you had failed to shun shaitans' grammar/thesaurus manoeuvred languages; and shaitan made each of you become proud with your own language skills and abilities. This pride is shaitan. The result of this association of languages to God's direct teachings is: You become well versed in the languages and have become very poor in 'comprehension and communication on the dot' of Godsend feel in your Ruh.
If Joe Betik has come out with his self-limited abilities using his man made arabic, a view point you should not exclaim Ya Allooooh!!! as if you are honest in your understanding; if you are honest in your comprehension and if only you know prostrate to this Truth, Allah teaches whom He will; and guides whom He will. Argument is not Allah's way and it is unbecoming of a pious believer to argue before Allah. Allah says receive all the view points and choose the best of them all. Allah guides only these and these are the people who shall Know from Him.
Joe Betik, I am awaiting you to strengthen your view on Maryam using your fullest man-made-arabic language ability without contradicting the Aalimul Ghaib's (The Knower of All Hidden Truths) Quran. If your obedience is to be taught of the secrets of Quran, and be Guided through the seven skies to the heavens ultimately, then throw away shaitan's gymnastic lexicons, his chaos mongering languages that should give you only the pride that you know a language; and that it does not serve your purpose of reading, The Great Reading.
drfazl
Congratulations! You are right!
You should know better than to wait for me.
Yes. You are right!
Cheers!
mohammed noh
Quote from: Joe Betik on December 28, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
drfazl
Congratulations! You are right!
You should know better than to wait for me.
Yes. You are right!
Cheers!
mohammed noh
This is Allah's Grace! All Glory Be To Him Alone! God Bless Us All, mohammed noh!
Quote from: drfazl on December 26, 2013, 09:19:31 PM
Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.
35:27 Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and We produce thereby fruits of varying colors? And in the mountains are tracts, white and red of varying shades and [some] extremely black.
35:28 And among people and moving creatures and grazing livestock are various colors similarly. Only those fear Allah , from among His servants, who have knowledge. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Forgiving.
In your post you have mentioned that mankind came from sand or earth but in 35:27,28 it is mentioned that allah brings down water from sky so as to create different colours of fruits, human beings, cattles and other living things.
You have mentioned it is from sand the colour of humans are determined, but in here its given that rain the from skies that determines it. I can understand humans cropped up from sand but according to the ayat 35:27,28 its the rain water that determines the colour. Could you explain on this please?
Salaam
Quote from: Zulf on January 10, 2013, 10:58:16 AM
I'd just like to say "vah vah!"
Looks like I know from where u came from, Zulf.
The term "vah vah" or "wah wah" (in my region) is same with expression "wow" in english.
@drfazl, regarding "Ya Alloooh" don't take it as rude, I have no intention on play rude in this forum, plus my english is also limited.
Maybe you're already old and too serious, so you has little now about joking (maybe).
Drfazl, I appreciate if you're good in phylosophies, and maybe you get banned because relating Quranic verses with your medical style.
But I'm not probleming this.You claim if Quranic Arabic pattern is manmade language, in my opinion all Quran's language both in Arabic and translations are manmade, because in Quran stated if the original Quran lies in a Sacred Tablet /Lauh Mafudz (85:22).
God sent His wahy to Muhammad with lisan/oral transmission then the the wahy was written in an Arabic language by Muhammad himself or his companions.
You also claim if we must try to intepretate Quran withouth contradict with God's, then how we know if our understanding didn't contradict with God's best knowledges of Quran??
You also claim if God may teach us to understand Quran, but in the fact by using Quran Alone resulted too many kinds of intepretations and each intepretators even contradict eac other.
It's really God's answers to us about Quran, with many kinds of answers and contradict each other??
Currently I'm in agnostic state, believe in God but just refute some Scriptures including QUran.
Peace
Quote from: Earthdom on December 28, 2013, 05:08:50 AM
Salaam
You're already old and too serious, so you has little now about joking Drfazl, I appreciate if you're good in phylosophies, and maybe you get banned because relating Quranic verses with your medical style.
Currently I'm in agnostic state, believe in God but just refute some Scriptures including QUran.
Peace
You refute Quran; You are not serious; You are joker too. And you are let free to roam around and peep in for poop; and for fun, joke and play; and then laugh out of various discussion platforms. Your types are very welcome here, I know. The red part indicates you are sticking to Rule # 2, Rule# 3 of the forum rules.
9:97 The dwellers of the deserted land, are very hard in unbelief and hypocrisy, and more disposed not to know the contents of the Scripture; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Allah should not ban us from entering into, or even touching it, or worse still, not being allowed to getting anywhere near Quran; but poor you ...!? I have nothing to say about God's decision to ban you from Quran; I am sorry. Good Bye.
There is nothing to refute and Allah gave "sufficient evidence" for us to believe that the Book is from "One True Creator".
The rest of the evidence depends entirely on our level of submission, ie. level of shirk.
"This is what has been promised by Allah.. ONLY, and nothing more. "
Therefore the rule is quite simple...
Submit, and we will find more proof for our faith.
Being arrogant, good bye!
Iblees. He refused and was arrogant (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606042.msg343809#msg343809) and became of the disbelievers. (2.34)
Quote from: drfazl on December 28, 2013, 06:27:30 AM
You refute Quran; You are not serious; You are joker too. And you are let free to roam around and peep in for fun and play; and laugh out of various discussion platforms. Your types are very welcome here, I know. The red part indicates you are sticking to Rule # 2, Rule# 3 of the forum rules.
I questioning Quran not because I want to play fun, but after studied it more intensively for some months and I found some which I considered as "fallacy".
All religious people in the world will claim if their Scripture was sent by God as well as you.
"Scripture is true because written in Scripture if Scripture is true"This red circle will always flowing to religious people who already influenced by dogma for many years.
The example is "Why Quran is true and clear Scriptures?", the most religious people will answer "Because in this verses, in that verses written if that Scripture is true and clear".
Hence already ask some questions regarding Quran to some locals, indeed no one capable to answer it instead play assumptions.
Quote from: muslims on December 28, 2013, 07:22:19 AM
There is nothing to refute and Allah gave "sufficient evidence" for us to believe that the Book is from "One True Creator".
The rest of the evidence depends entirely on our level of submission, ie. level of shirk.
"This is what has been promised by Allah.. ONLY, and nothing more. "
Therefore the rule is quite simple...
Submit, and we will find more proof for our faith.
Being arrogant, good bye!
Iblees. He refused and was arrogant (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606042.msg343809#msg343809) and became of the disbelievers. (2.34)
Who is being arrogant, this is
free-mind forum, remember??
Members in here have each own prespective and methodologiest.
Indeed what you're doing is "oppression" to someone, force own belief-prespective to someone like you always did in this forum.
Quote from: dr.rks on December 28, 2013, 04:48:52 AM
35:27 Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and We produce thereby fruits of varying colors? And in the mountains are tracts, white and red of varying shades and [some] extremely black.
In your post you have mentioned that mankind came from sand or earth but in 35:27,28 it is mentioned that allah brings down water from sky so as to create different colours of fruits, human beings, cattles and other living things.
You have mentioned it is from sand the colour of humans are determined, but in here its given that rain the from skies that determines it. I can understand humans cropped up from sand but according to the ayat 35:27,28 its the rain water that determines the colour. Could you explain on this please?
The whole earth is given life by the rain from the sky; before the rain there is the earth ready to prosper when the rain comes down upon it, and according to each of its nature it would grow the plantations. There are good fertile land and marshy poisonous lands too. Allah says about such lands and their fertility and produces are of varying nature, though they are watered with one and the same water from the sky, in the following ayat:
13:4 And in the earth there are tracts side by side and gardens of grapes and corn and palm trees having one root and others having distinct roots-- they are watered with one water, and We make some of them excel others in fruit; most surely there are signs in this for a people who understand.
7:58 And the good land - its vegetation emerges by permission of its Lord; but that which is bad - nothing emerges except sparsely, with difficulty. Thus do We diversify the signs for a people who are grateful.
Quote35:28 And among people and moving creatures and grazing livestock are various colors similarly. Only those fear Allah , from among His servants, who have knowledge. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Forgiving.
It is all about the nature of the land that gives crops and plantations in varying colours, and as their fruits that matter - because the water from the sky is in the same blessed form to all the lands.
Quote from: Earthdom on December 28, 2013, 07:47:45 AMWho is being arrogant, this is free-mind forum, remember??
Members in here have each own prespective and methodologiest.
Indeed what you're doing is "oppression" to someone, force own belief-prespective to someone like you always did in this forum.
So you can deny that Allah gave....
Quote from: muslims on December 28, 2013, 07:22:19 AM"sufficient evidence"?
That sounds very arrogant, sorry.
Good bye, I don't want to spoil this thread with my argument.
Quote from: muslims on December 28, 2013, 07:57:09 AM
So you deny that Allah gave....
That sounds very arrogant, sorry.
Good bye, I don't want to spoil this thread with my argument.
It's your habit indeed.
You mostly type words which only can be understand by you only.
It's like Quranic version of God, gave the Book to humankind which only can be understand by Him only.
My version of God is not same with yours, I still believe in God, but now starting studying all Scriptures from the zero again, to find out what kind of AlMighty whom I must submit to.
Quote from: Earthdom on December 28, 2013, 08:03:42 AMYou mostly type words which only can be understand by you only.
It's like Quranic version of God, gave the Book to humankind which only can be understand by Him only.
Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335283#msg335283) and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.
You have great wisdom and clear thinking, others don't.
Quote from: Earthdom on July 23, 2013, 03:37:36 AMThe problem of difference in tafseer within Quranist is lack of study and lack of wisdom and clear thinking.
[...]
I try to use wisdomly conclusion for this cause
Quote from: Earthdom on July 23, 2013, 03:37:36 AM
Ok actually I get bored [...] because it seems some members in here didn't study the Quran properly
I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting
"sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah.
It is You we serve and You we ask for help. Guide us to the straight path (1.5-6)Very sound and wisdomly decision. :handshake:
Peace, Peace, Peace
Submitting wholesomely yourself or something to Allah, the God of all Universes means He has accepted you and your entire generation behind you into His care. For example, when Imran's wife wholesomely put her Trust in Allah and entrusted Him with regard to what she carried in her Womb, Allah had accepted it very dearly. He created the submission of her into a pure female with a soul of His RUH. This is because when something is entrusted with Allah, Allah accepts the Trust with a 'Be' and He only knows how He shall fashion it with His RUH. After that based on the truthfulness of your submission, you are totally detached from doing anything as good to that which you had already submitted and placed in the Trust of God.
In the instance of Imran's wife, after her submission might think of doing something good to her baby but in the eyes of Allah it is bad; what she might think as bad might turn out to be good before Allah; Allah knows while she does not know. Allah, having fully accepted her plea and submission upon Him, He knows what is to be done now. Imran's wife, the mother of Maryam has to be raised from this world leaving her child upon this earth under her God's care; her life ends there with utmost completion. Much before she was to be raised into Allah's fold, the father of the child, the prophet Imran was made to be no more. Allah's design 'Be' continues.
Having orphaned, Maryam was given to, to be reared under the care of their closest relative, the most honoured one in their family, prophet Zackariya. Since Maryam was under the care of the Trust of wife of Imran, entrusted with Allah, Zackariya was never even aware of having given her enough care, or provided her with her needs and requirements; so every time Zackariya visited her room he found all provisions in abundance to his astonishment. Since Zackariya himself a believer in Almighty, the Ample Giving, he got totally satisfied with Maryam's answer, bringing his memory upon Allah, the Most Generous, to his query to Maryam as to 'whence her provisions'?
Overwhelmed with Maryam's answer, Zackariya submits then and there wholesomely to Allah, His long cherished need for a successor; again like in the case of Imran's wife, Allah took upon Him, Zackariya's submission into His Trust. He gave Zackariya, a son Yahya whose name has never been spelt or christened before upon anyone. Maryam's son Isa and Zackariya's son Yahya were named by Allah, and were given much knowledge and wisdom at birth.
The need for such descendants should be the ardent submission before Allah for every believing man and woman. Such babies of them have salam at birth; salam as they live; salam when they die; and salam when they are raised up. All the messengers, the submitting and surrendering Muslims, the helpers in the cause of Allah, the Martyrs of a good cause, the Good-doers, the Well Mannered and Guided people - all of them who are living today is because of such submission of either of their parents or of the both the parents.
19:33 And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.
Every child of this status would be informed of such Truth, by the Malayikas or Allah Himself as they are born and as His RUH is breathed into them as their first breath.
No Seeking of Increase in Wealth and Children
Most of us are weak enough in Iman due to our lack of association free allegiance to Allah. And Allah asserts this too in Chapter Yusuf, "And most of them believe not in Allah except while they associate other than Him with Him." There is an element of shirk in the hearts of most of every one of all walks, however greatly endowed may he be, in his belief in God. This means shaitan is the chief element destroying our hearts, marring the prospects of our beautiful life of paradise/jannah starting from this world itself, right away. Every one knows well it is only by His Grace, all the elements of goods we are experiencing and living such moments at any point of time in our lives. But we are ungrateful nevertheless; we keep rejecting or forgetting due to lack of thankfulness and remembering Him more and more praising His Glory. It is because of our pride in our hearts, the words of shaitans, that whisper and say: 'all glory be to us! all glory be to us!' with or without our knowledge. The more we hear to such dishonourable words from shaitan, the more forgetful we become of Allah and the more ungrateful we are in the eyes of Allah. We are rejecters knowingly or unknowingly because of our element of pride.
As long as we live in this world none is free from this element of rejection, association, as a result engaging in argumentation, creating chaos and confusion to the bliss of Iblis; and to the great dissatisfaction of malayikas. If our intent is to be forgiven for these short comings all we shall ask is: O Allah, the God of all universes forgive our sins; cleanse our hearts and purify our souls from shirk. More to this, we need patience and kindness towards the believers with such of those short comings that any one of us have with only certain variations in degrees and grades, swinging in ups and down. We shall have some amount fear all the time without finding fault with one another; and without becoming proud when we increase in the worldly pleasures and things. We should know at this that having all those short comings it is not that Allah is rewarding us with His bounties but as only a test more severe and severe to see how we behave. This is the reason why we have to spend from our earnings a beautiful part towards beautiful activities, pleasing to God. This is doing zakath; not giving zakath. Zakath means purification from pride and self glorification. If one is fearing God it is because of his learning and understanding this truth. But those who are arrogant with pride, Allah warns us the see them that say: 19:77 "Have you, then, seen him who rejects Our communications and says: I shall certainly be given wealth and children?"
The pious ones as believers that they are, they accept they have rejection element in their hearts and it is Allah who forgives such of the evil in us slowly and steadily; He is raising us to purification of our souls; and He ordains upon us to spend from what He had given us, and start doing it from now on. Allah says: I measure your requirements and needs; it is not you would assess your needs. Become humble before me and do not advance before me priding yourself you are the earner for all your future.
Those who behave contrarily are those who would be tested severely in this world with poverty and afflictions. If we have to remove our poverty and diseases and feel safe about these things for the entire tomorrows to come, never show your pride before others and spend more in the good cause humbly. The only good cause is spending to cause increase the belief and piety in God and free the community from rejection of the Truth.
Quote from: muslims on December 28, 2013, 11:51:30 AM
Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335283#msg335283) and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.
I'm afraid, Quranic God never authorize language of heart as well as kod 19.
It's just like Christian's the Ten Commandment, never authorized in Scripture, but just the result of tafseer and religious council
Indeed you still believe if Quran is God's words, because it's verses said so.
All people will have wisdom thinking if they became open minded, not influenced by anykind of dogma.
Quote from: muslims on December 28, 2013, 11:51:30 AM
I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah
If you dealing eith an atheist, are you still said like this?? Forced own prespective while talking to someone with different prespective??
You even don't know my daily activities, so how you judge me like that ;D.
Btw there is no compulsion in deen/religion.I still submit to God, but just refute if QUran is His word.
May peace be with you
Scholarly Ignorance
Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.
Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
Saad - Quran of Admonition
Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful
Ha, Meem
Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEAL
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor.
Quote from: drfazl on December 29, 2013, 11:11:03 PM
Scholarly Ignorance
Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.
Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
Saad - Quran of Admonition
Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful
Ha, Meem
Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEAL
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor.
QuoteArabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'.
Because that is how in Arabic [and other Semitic languages] word are formed. And how are these root letters? Root letters for what?
Quote from: muslims on December 28, 2013, 11:51:30 AM
Yes, you cannot understand.. it is the heart, not mind. The Quran uses language of the heart (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335283#msg335283) and requires us to be purified from Shirk etc ... and obviously many doesn't share your conclusion and can understand the Quran... at least, millions of people and thousands are converted into Islam every year after reading the Quran ... or.. yes, I forgot.. you are different, special and supreme than others.
You have great wisdom and clear thinking, others don't.
I guess you have studied the Quran properly and therefore rejecting "sufficient evidence" from Allah because of 1% things you cannot understand from the Quran. It is not sufficient and you need 100% proof from Allah, without even 1% effort from you to properly submitting to Allah.
It is You we serve and You we ask for help.
Guide us to the straight path (1.5-6)
Very sound and wisdomly decision. :handshake:
QuoteThe Quran uses language of the heart
Yet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.
Do all of you make up such tin-pot theories but are unable understand even a word of Arabic?
Quote from: drfazl on December 29, 2013, 11:11:03 PM
Scholarly Ignorance
Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.
I bet the lot of you self medicate . . . why bother with doctors!
Do you also represent yourself if hauled before a magistrate?
Quote from: drfazl on December 04, 2013, 04:18:21 AM
Chimp is no Champ
Peace,
I would appreciate you giving the wisdom and sign from the following "Grand Signs of Allah" using only the Arabic used in the verses below; and explain each verse in simple and plain English, using your Arabic linguistic excellence alone: bring out each of their Signs of admonitions and glad tidings so that it strengthens my iman in Allah; and therewith I become a muslim unto Allah, and at salam with Allah as the malayika receive my soul with "Salam" adjudging me as a muslim finally, by the leave of Allah, The All-Knowing, The Knower of All Languages, thus Him making me among "the Foremost".
89:1 By the Dawn
89:2 By the Nights twice five
89:3 By the even and odd
(By Allah, Chimp is no champ)
Peace
Quote from: drfazl on May 13, 2013, 07:00:46 AM
O People of The Book
19 : 1
Kaf Ha Ya Ain Saad
Kaf - KAF - SUFFICIENT Is He
Ha - HUDHA - To put you in the STRAIGHT PATH
Ya - YAMEEN - FLOURISHING in
Ain - ILM - The WISDOM and in
Saad - SADAQ - The TRUTH.
QuoteO People Of The Book!
19 : 1 SUFFICIENT is HE to put you in the STRAIGHT PATH, FLOURISHING in the WISDOM and in the TRUTH.
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 29, 2013, 11:19:15 PMYet Quran claims it is an Arabic Quran.
It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...
We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? :laugh:
And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts
with which they do not understand
they have eyes
with which they do not see
and they have ears
with which they do not hear
Those are like livestock
rather, they are more astray
It is they who are the heedless
(7.179)
And whenever a surah is revealed
there are among the hypocrites those who say
"Which of you has this increased faith?"
As for those who believed
it has increased them in faith
while they are rejoicing
But as for those in whose hearts is disease
it (verses from the Quran) has [only] increased them in evil [in addition] to their evil And they will have died while they are disbelievers
(9.124)
And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...
And from them
We appointed leaders
giving guidance under Our Command
AS LONG as
<- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc. they struggled with
patience and
had certainty regarding Our revelations
(32.24)
Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah
They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..
and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.
and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe their teachings/religions.
....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.
You are very very welcome, muslims.
May Allah Bless You.
Quote from: muslims on December 29, 2013, 11:51:17 PM
It is true for those whose understanding and faith is equal to those in kindergarten...
We cannot forever be in kindergarten, can we? :laugh:
And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind
They have hearts
with which they do not understand
they have eyes
with which they do not see
and they have ears
with which they do not hear
Those are like livestock
rather, they are more astray
It is they who are the heedless
(7.179)
And whenever a surah is revealed
there are among the hypocrites those who say
"Which of you has this increased faith?"
As for those who believed
it has increased them in faith
while they are rejoicing
But as for those in whose hearts is disease
it (verses from the Quran) has [only] increased them in evil [in addition] to their evil
And they will have died while they are disbelievers
(9.124)
And ouch .. it doesn't say your scholars...
And from them
We appointed leaders
giving guidance under Our Command
AS LONG as <- two primary conditions to become Muslim leaders/scholars/messenger etc.
they struggled with patience
and had certainty regarding Our revelations
(32.24)
Your scholars believe in Bukhary and others more than Allah
They do not have absolute faith in the Quran..
and therefore, they are not Muslim leaders/scholars.
and therefore, there is no reason for me to believe what they say.
....sorry for the interruption.. drfazl.
Well said . . . as it is kids that use insults as sufficient form of reply. What was put to you - that you were unable to answer . . . once again.
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Isn't it a wonder that "Quran only" are actually about disregarding Hadith and the established faith rather than using Quran itself.
I wonder how a sectarian can understand Islam... impossible! :laugh:
as equal to fresh water and sea water..
Quote from: muslims on December 30, 2013, 12:01:37 AM
I wonder how a sectarian can understand Islam... impossible! as equal to fresh water and sea water.. :laugh:
And you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.
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Has any of you got brains? Or is it all petty insults. . .
Quote from: drfazl on December 29, 2013, 11:51:03 PM
I didn't get anything . . . other than quotes! How strange. . . can you not answer?
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 30, 2013, 12:04:23 AMAnd you are not a sect? How pathetic . . . every "sect" claims that only they are Islam and others are sect. "Quran only" too is a sect.
Some here are sectarians.. but I'm not..
Quote from: muslims on November 21, 2013, 05:00:08 AMOf course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336189#msg336189), not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335256#msg335256), but both to Allah and Adam (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336009#msg336009).
I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!
I only have two perspectives.. just, or unjust. That's it.
bye.
Quote from: muslims on December 30, 2013, 12:07:42 AM
Nope..
bye.
Simple "nope" . . . ha ha ha . . . of course it is a "sect" . . . and what is even more laughable and pathetic . . . that you are sectarian. There is strand here about marriages with "Quran only". Sectarian. And that is just one example.
So a simple "nope" - just reveals dishonesty.
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QuoteOf course, when people mention about a certain religion, I will answer to my self.. "that is my religion". All these faiths are my religion. I am an Atheist, Sunnist, Shi'ite, Hadither, Quranist/Submitter/Code 19, Hinduist, Buddhist, Taoist, Judist, Christian, Sikhist, Spiritualist, Humanist, Satanist, Luciferianist and practising all other faiths, not prostrating to Allah Alone or ByGod, but both to Allah and Adam.
I practices ALL KNOWN RELIGIONS, AND BEYOND RELIGIONS!
Ah . . . the Quran only and committing of Shirk? Or Quran only running to other sources? Or is it . . . Quran only pinching from Sufism? Ibn Arabi in particular?
Of course it is a bye . . . when you no longer can answer - it is a "bye".
Quote from: muslims on December 30, 2013, 12:07:42 AM
bye.
This single word carries lots of meaning going by its 'Root letters'.
Quote from: drfazl on December 30, 2013, 12:17:12 AMgoing by its 'Root letters'.
Mankind was one single nation (2.213)
One..
Quote from: drfazl on December 30, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
This single word carries lots of meaning going by its 'Root letters'.
I asked you a question earlier . . . could you not answer?
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 30, 2013, 12:19:15 AM
I asked you a question earlier . . . could you not answer?
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 29, 2013, 11:14:58 PM
Root letters for what?
I think you can open up your eyes and read again:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551
Now my question and challenge to you.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344555#msg344555
Quote from: drfazl on December 30, 2013, 12:23:57 AM
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551
Then I do not understand your answer. Please clarify.
QuoteBut when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran
How are they "root letter" for the entire Quran?
Quote from: drfazl on December 30, 2013, 12:23:57 AM
I think you can open up your eyes and read again:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551
Now my question and challenge to you.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344555#msg344555
Try not getting rude . . . rather please answer - if not leave it. How am I meant to understand your quote? I don't. This is why I am asking you to explain.
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Don't start issuing challenges . . . if you can answer please . . . else you simply made up whole lot of nonsense and can no longer account for it.
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 29, 2013, 11:24:46 PM
I bet the lot of you self medicate . . . why bother with doctors!
Do you also represent yourself if hauled before a magistrate?
All the patients do finally arrive at ICU placing their blood, body, soul and money at the feet of bunch of doctors before they die. And upon their death their relatives, dear and near ones would say: All is Allah's; all belongs to Allah; all is done by Allah; and what would the poor doctors do.
For you the best of judges is magistrate.
And for me the Best of all judges is Allah.
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 30, 2013, 12:34:11 AM
Try not getting rude . . . rather please answer - if not leave it. How am I meant to understand your quote? I don't. This is why I am asking you to explain.
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Don't start issuing challenges . . . if you can answer please . . . else you simply made up whole lot of nonsense and can no longer account for it.
Now I have to say "bye" to you
Quote from: drfazl on December 30, 2013, 12:36:53 AM
Now I have to say "bye" to you
Say it . . . but I asked a simple question . . . and all I got was whole lot of nonsense.
Quote from: drfazl on December 30, 2013, 12:36:53 AM
Now I have to say "bye" to you
You should.. he might have difficulties to understand what is an argument, and what is quarrelling. :laugh:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2ijnas0.gif)
Guess he and his scholars will be in that tree forever... laughing and testing others to climb that same tree.
Peace Dr.Fazl
Everyday and every walk of life we are getting good guidance from the almighty. But we dont believe in allah's grace,we believe in only money,our children and human help. We neglect the needs of fellow humans since we are busy saving up money for our extravagances. We receive good blessings for the good deeds we do and viceversa. Almost all the inflictions upon us are brought about by our miser attitude, most of the times.
This ayat 19:76 and 19:77 guiding us with your explanation.
"And Allah increases those who were guided, in guidance, and the enduring good deeds are better to your Lord for reward and better for recourse." 19:76
Sure dr.rks we shall know the patience and endurance is the most commendable of all good works on this earth. It is so commendable Allah is always with us so dearly near. That is great soothing resourceful touch of words from Allah.
Quote from: drfazl on December 29, 2013, 05:07:36 AM
No Seeking of Increase in Wealth and Children
Most of us are weak enough in Iman due to our lack of association free allegiance to Allah. And Allah asserts this too in Chapter Yusuf, "And most of them believe not in Allah except while they associate other than Him with Him." There is an element of shirk in the hearts of most of every one of all walks, however greatly endowed may he be, in his belief in God. This means shaitan is the chief element destroying our hearts, marring the prospects of our beautiful life of paradise/jannah starting from this world itself, right away. Every one knows well it is only by His Grace, all the elements of goods we are experiencing and living such moments at any point of time in our lives. But we are ungrateful nevertheless; we keep rejecting or forgetting due to lack of thankfulness and remembering Him more and more praising His Glory. It is because of our pride in our hearts, the words of shaitans, that whisper and say: 'all glory be to us! all glory be to us!' with or without our knowledge. The more we hear to such dishonourable words from shaitan, the more forgetful we become of Allah and the more ungrateful we are in the eyes of Allah. We are rejecters knowingly or unknowingly because of our element of pride.
As long as we live in this world none is free from this element of rejection, association, as a result engaging in argumentation, creating chaos and confusion to the bliss of Iblis; and to the great dissatisfaction of malayikas. If our intent is to be forgiven for these short comings all we shall ask is: O Allah, the God of all universes forgive our sins; cleanse our hearts and purify our souls from shirk. More to this, we need patience and kindness towards the believers with such of those short comings that any one of us have with only certain variations in degrees and grades, swinging in ups and down. We shall have some amount fear all the time without finding fault with one another; and without becoming proud when we increase in the worldly pleasures and things. We should know at this that having all those short comings it is not that Allah is rewarding us with His bounties but as only a test more severe and severe to see how we behave. This is the reason why we have to spend from our earnings a beautiful part towards beautiful activities, pleasing to God. This is doing zakath; not giving zakath. Zakath means purification from pride and self glorification. If one is fearing God it is because of his learning and understanding this truth. But those who are arrogant with pride, Allah warns us the see them that say: 19:77 "Have you, then, seen him who rejects Our communications and says: I shall certainly be given wealth and children?"
The pious ones as believers that they are, they accept they have rejection element in their hearts and it is Allah who forgives such of the evil in us slowly and steadily; He is raising us to purification of our souls; and He ordains upon us to spend from what He had given us, and start doing it from now on. Allah says: I measure your requirements and needs; it is not you would assess your needs. Become humble before me and do not advance before me priding yourself you are the earner for all your future.
Those who behave contrarily are those who would be tested severely in this world with poverty and afflictions. If we have to remove our poverty and diseases and feel safe about these things for the entire tomorrows to come, never show your pride before others and spend more in the good cause humbly. The only good cause is spending to cause increase the belief and piety in God and free the community from rejection of the Truth.
Wonderful!!! :bravo:
Quote from: drfazl on December 29, 2013, 11:11:03 PM
Scholarly Ignorance
Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.
Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
Saad - Quran of Admonition
Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful
Ha, Meem
Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEAL
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor.
This is the result of people who follow
religion named Quraniyoon (insulting people who have more knowledge about it).
Btw the term "Quran Only" is different from "Allah Only".
Peace
Quote from: muslims on December 30, 2013, 12:42:27 AM
You should.. he might have difficulties to understand what is an argument, and what is quarrelling. :laugh:
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Guess he and his scholars will be in that tree forever... laughing and testing others to climb that same tree.
If someone has trouble understanding . . . it is not necessary that the fault lies with them . . .
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QuoteGuess he and his scholars will be in that tree forever
Sectarianism.
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I mean when you cannot answer any more - all you have left is petty insults . . . I have proven that time and time again.
All I asked "drfazl" was to explain . . . what did I get? Petty insults.
I exposed "Muslims" for his sheer ignorance. . . . he cannot even read "Arabic" and his English is poor. Hence - his pet theories are built upon completely mistaken reading of Quran.
Now . . . when he is unable to discuss any further. . . abuse!
No one brought up anything other than the Quran . . . and that is it. So how can you be about the Quran and not be able to read the book?
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I have repeatedly exposed that "Quran only" are as far away from Quran as you can get. Person after person after. . .
Peace bro
If you now have exposed "Quran alone" to be as far away from the Quran as you can get, person after person.... then what's next?? Having achieved this, what are you doing here?
I'm sure you feel you have proven your point. Are you trying to convert them all to see things the way you do? It won't happen, and you know it. Such a thing will never happen in any group, in any context. So, what is your agenda now? Are you here to learn? If not, isn't your presence here a waste of your time?
You're welcome to stay of course, but it seems utterly useless for you considering your own description of the whole scenario.... unless of course you enjoy the arguing with people (just like many others here do)... but that's not being a role model for peaceful behavior... something many religious and non-religious people alike fail to understand.
Quote from: Zulf on December 30, 2013, 06:11:22 PM
Peace bro
If you now have exposed "Quran alone" to be as far away from the Quran as you can get, person after person.... then what's next?? Having achieved this, what are you doing here?
I'm sure you feel you have proven your point. Are you trying to convert them all to see things the way you do? It won't happen, and you know it. Such a thing will never happen in any group, in any context. So, what is your agenda now? Are you here to learn? If not, isn't your presence here a waste of your time?
You're welcome to stay of course, but it seems utterly useless for you considering your own description of the whole scenario.... unless of course you enjoy the arguing with people (just like many others here do)... but that's not being a role model for peaceful behavior... something many religious and non-religious people alike fail to understand.
Do you have any "specific" problem with me? Why don't you wait and see . . .
Here is what I am after. Is there ANYONE here with some level of competent scholarship?
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As Homeopathy is to Medical Science
"Quran only" is to Sunni Islam
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 30, 2013, 06:35:52 PM
Do you have any "specific" problem with me? Why don't you wait and see . . .
Nope, I have no specific problem. Since you basically declared the theme of this forum and much of it's active members as proven far away from the teachings of the quran... I just wondered what you're after.
Ok, I'll wait and see. But I'm not sure what to look for.... and judging by experience, I fear that it will never end up at anything conclusive to see in any shape or form.... but that's just from previous experience on this forum. I'll wait.
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Here is what I am after. Is there ANYONE here with some level of competent scholarship?
Depends on what you mean with "some level of competent scholarship". If you include that this person needs to agree with you on your religious opinion, then I guess not. Otherwise I think you'd need to define both 'competent' and 'scholarship'. These terms are certainly NOT agreed upon whenever people disagree on something. One side always accuses the other side of incompetence of scholarship or objectivity or sincerity. The idea by both sides in a debate is that if both side were competent scholars, they'd end up at the same conclusion, which never happens. But indeed, objectivity is a huge part of the problem, often of both sides.
But I know there are a couple of people on this forum that are scholarly, and competent... but I'm not one of those. These people are however also human beings, like you and me, and therefore not perfect, and thus there will be disagreements on issues simply since nobody has perfect knowledge.
Peace
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As Homeopathy is to Medical Science
"Quran only" is to Sunni Islam
::)
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 27, 2013, 11:40:52 PM
So why did god choose this man made language to give his message? Surely - then the fault lies with god? He made Quran reliant upon Arabic? So - if god made Quran bound to Arabic . . .then so is everyone else.
Quote from: drfazl on December 27, 2013, 11:54:41 PM
You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made? And what was your take on the subject matter taken? Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper? Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language? And then followed by another member using his lexicon starting a debate and argument that would run to volumes of counters to no end. This is your man-made-arabic. Or for that matter in any language the discussion is no discussion but purely arguments each sticking to his view finally to say: To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
God chose arabic because the arabians were the worst of its kind in the entire world when the Prophet was chosen to guide such a fallen people who were wild in nature without sense and mind. If the Russians were even worse at that time, the Quran would have come in the Russian. So the choice is not for the language but for the people, worst hit by shaitan.
What does this ayat mean ...
54: 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
For each of the word, WE, Easy, Remembrance, But, Is there Anyone, Mind -
Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living: the word for word: meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...
I know chimp, you are interested in arguments and when you are asked to sit down for a conclusive end on a matter, you would walk away as you did in our previous encounter sometime ago.
peace,
again, in the above posting, i found answers given to chimp. also, there are few questions asked to chimp. i'll bring it for the easy take of the readers:
1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?
5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
6.What does this ayat mean ...
54: 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
7.Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living: the word for word: meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...
this one post contain a question from chimp and answer from drfazl, also it has seven questions asked to chimp. now chimp, second time, i'm interested too in the answers for the above questions from an arabic master/scholar in line with question 7 above.
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Depends on what you mean with "some level of competent scholarship". If you include that this person needs to agree with you on your religious opinion, then I guess not. Otherwise I think you'd need to define both 'competent' and 'scholarship'.
In Arabic, language, Islam, Hadith, Quran . . . history, philosophy, logic, science . . .
I have asked several people who like to throw their weight about, regarding their background. . . shtum. Silence. And out with the insults.
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For example . . . I find it deeply ironic that those who allegedly would claim to attach the utmost importance to Quran - and then are unable to read a verse of it correctly. Yet, they build theories on mistaken readings. When this is challenged...
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Quote from: DrGm on December 30, 2013, 07:34:52 PM
peace,
again, in the above posting, i found answers given to chimp. also, there are few questions asked to chimp. i'll bring it for the easy take of the readers:
1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?
5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
6.What does this ayat mean ...
54: 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
7.Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living: the word for word: meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...
this one post contain a question from chimp and answer from drfazl, also it has seven questions asked to chimp. now chimp, second time, i'm interested too in the answers for the above questions from an arabic master/scholar in line with question 7 above.
1. Who are you? There was Drfazl - I asked him a simple enough question . . . the chap resorted to rudeness! Now you have similar user name. Are you and him same?
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2. I am NOT going back and trawling through posts and then looking back even further to trace posts. I am happy enough to answer ANY question - and I really mean any question. If I cannot and for some reason cannot - I will give reasons for declining.
Hence:
Quote1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?
I cannot be bothered going back and looking up previous posts to answer these.
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Quote5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
The phrase you have highlighted is in English! Also - there is only one Arabic that I am aware of and that is man made.
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"And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?"
[Quran 57:17]
The above verse is pretty straight forward. Quran is easy to remember . . . so Muslims should learn it by heart.
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QuotePlease use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living: the word for word: meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...
I did not understand what you are asking. What is " lexicon bunch". And what is it you are asking here:
"give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living"
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Then:
Quotethe word for word: meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...
I did not get what you are asking here either!
Quote from: DrGm on December 30, 2013, 07:34:52 PM
peace,
again, in the above posting, i found answers given to chimp. also, there are few questions asked to chimp. i'll bring it for the easy take of the readers:
1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?
5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
6.What does this ayat mean ...
54: 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
7.Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living: the word for word: meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...
this one post contain a question from chimp and answer from drfazl, also it has seven questions asked to chimp. now chimp, second time, i'm interested too in the answers for the above questions from an arabic master/scholar in line with question 7 above.
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 30, 2013, 09:15:31 PM
1. Who are you? There was Drfazl - I asked him a simple enough question . . . the chap resorted to rudeness! Now you have similar user name. Are you and him same?
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2. I am NOT going back and trawling through posts and then looking back even further to trace posts. I am happy enough to answer ANY question - and I really mean any question. If I cannot and for some reason cannot - I will give reasons for declining.
Hence:
I cannot be bothered going back and looking up previous posts to answer these.
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The phrase you have highlighted is in English! Also - there is only one Arabic that I am aware of and that is man made.
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"And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?"
[Quran 57:17]
The above verse is pretty straight forward. Quran is easy to remember . . . so Muslims should learn it by heart.
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I did not understand what you are asking. What is " lexicon bunch". And what is it you are asking here:
"give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living"
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Then:
I did not get what you are asking here either!
peace,
i am one of the member of this forum. i read drfazl's posts closely. we are not same. anyone can see there is no rudeness in the answer given above by drfazl for your question. whereas you have not bothered to answer any of his question.
for your easy i have quoted the same question from this thread. this is only to ease the situation and to remind that you have not answered the question asked previously.
but it's ok now you didn't answer for it's bothering you to trawl previous posts and i think the same suits all answering you.
QuoteI did not get what you are asking here either!
quran gives admonition, warning, gladtidings, good message. i expected, that you will give the readers what is the warning in the verses mentioned above?, what is the gladtiding mentioned in the verses above?. how we can use practically the warning and gladtiding in our life so that we all live in peace. so that your understanding guides people to the path of islam and unto Allah.
Quote from: DrGm on December 30, 2013, 09:50:56 PM
peace,
i am one of the member of this forum. i read drfazl's posts closely. we are not same. anyone can see there is no rudeness in the answer given above by drfazl for your question. whereas you have not bothered to answer any of his question.
for your easy i have quoted the same question from this thread. this is only to ease the situation and to remind that you have not answered the question asked previously.
but it's ok now you didn't answer for it's bothering you to trawl previous posts and i think the same suits all answering you.
i did't ask anything, i only quoted drfazl posts. now i understand your stand.
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Quotei am one of the member of this forum. i read drfazl's posts closely. we are not same. anyone can see there is no rudeness in the answer given above by drfazl for your question. whereas you have not bothered to answer any of his question.
!? And what question have I not bothered to answer? I asked him a question . . . he didn't answer other than quoting something. I asked to clarify and found him rude.
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Quotefor your easy i have quoted the same question from this thread. this is only to ease the situation and to remind that you have not answered the question asked previously.
So why were you posing his questions? Let him do it.
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Quotebut it's ok now you didn't answer for it's bothering you to trawl previous posts and i think the same suits all answering you.
What does this mean:
" i think the same suits all answering you"I don't send people of goose chases.
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Quotei did't ask anything, i only quoted drfazl posts. now i understand your stand.
Why? Are you him?
http://foolproofcure.net/whoami.aspx
Now I am beginning to get it!
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In 1984 the doctor abandoned his general medical practice and switched over to homeopathy which he valued as incomparably superior to modern medicine in curing many diseases and palliating wide varieties of the presenting complaints of the patients with just a single remedy; and so simple it is that a few handy drugs are sufficient to feel very homely and safe whenever one sets out. Yet he is not satisfied with the application of the concept of homeopathy for it says, ?The remedy for each patient is different since no two individuals are the same?. But the remedies available are not 6 billion to be individualized for each of the six billion people, but just a handful which means the principle of homeopathy cannot be applied justifiably. And further it is very, very hard to choose the correct and the individualized remedy.
And I [according to virtually all scientists] hold Homeopathy to utter rubbish.
Oh well. . .
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I wonder if this is the same chap!
http://www.indiankanoon.org/doc/1584991/
peace chimp,
Quote from: DrGm on December 30, 2013, 09:50:56 PM
peace,
quran gives admonition, warning, gladtidings, good message. i expected, that you will give the readers what is the warning in the verses mentioned above?, what is the gladtiding mentioned in the verses above?. how we can use practically the warning and gladtiding in our life so that we all live in peace. so that your understanding guides people to the path of islam and unto Allah.
Quote from: DrGm on December 30, 2013, 11:02:29 PM
peace chimp,
Quotepeace,
quran gives admonition, warning, gladtidings, good message. i expected, that you will give the readers what is the warning in the verses mentioned above?, what is the gladtiding mentioned in the verses above?. how we can use practically the warning and gladtiding in our life so that we all live in peace. so that your understanding guides people to the path of islam and unto Allah.
Why have you quoted this?
And which verses?
Are you asking me something? What?
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This is what frustrated me about him! :brickwall:
Quote from: The_Chimp on December 30, 2013, 11:08:46 PM
Why have you quoted this?
And which verses?
Are you asking me something? What?
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This is what frustrated me about him! :brickwall:
peace chimp,
ref: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344756#msg344756
no frustration, have patience, i quoted this reply 308.
Dis-association, Happen All Through Our Lives - It Is The Way From God
"And when Musa came to the Light, he was called, "O Musa: Indeed, I am your God, so remove your sandals. Indeed, you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa. And I have chosen you, so listen to what is revealed to you." 20: 11-13
Here, Allah embraces Musa with such dearness and closeness and speaks to Musa directly. What a grace, this.
To the contrary, here in the following instance, Musa was dismissed by the dear bondsman of Allah rejecting him for Musa's impatience.
18: 60, 65-68 And mention when Moses said to his servant, "I will not cease traveling until I reach the junction of the two seas; And they found there one, from among Our servants to whom We had given mercy from us and had taught him from Our Wisdom, a certain knowledge. Moses said to him, "May I follow you in order, that you teach me from what you have been taught of Wisdom?" He said, "Indeed, with me you will never be able to have patience. And how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?"
Juxtaposing these two instances we are taught the following:
"For every one We have appointed wisdom directed duties which they perform" 22:67. "And everyone has his own wisdom and direction to which he should turn" 2:148. This is worshiping and following God endowed Light and Wisdom and the direction of turning and returning to Him in the real sense. Only now we can do good and great things in the path of Allah; such of these bondsmen are well connected to Allah. And Allah brings them all close to each other and together as per His Will and to the Need of the Hour.
In this world, we have companions and dissociations from relationships amongst us. It is not to be considered division among us from our bondage, but God designed dis-association, to make them pure from associations to God, if He finds any such thing amongst His bondsmen, for a period prescribed by Him. Keep following God i.e doing good deeds and it is Him, who would again bring us all together in righteousness and with those who stayed righteous, if He so Will.
Chapter 20: Ta Ha
Whenever we speak or do a thing it means we generally wish generously about it in our hearts and in our mind. Without our mind distinctly knowing the goods and evils of what we have in our minds we cannot speak proper, nor do we do good, nor would we progress in the straight path - to the contrary without such thoughtlessness our talks and through the works we do, we would only create chaos to our own as well as to the minds of the entire community.
For example Allah begins chapter 20 with the point Ta Ha. It is His Wish and command for us to purify our minds; and to conduct our hearts, in the Straight Path. This means we have obstacles in our minds and hearts as desires and avarice for the earth materials. These qualities are nothing but that makes us the companions of evil. The character of evil mind is smearing all righteous path as wrong; and commending all the wrongful acts as justified necessities and as the human rights. While virtue is fumed at as ridiculous, immorality is greeted with sophisticated celebration: gambling, drinks, sound of musics, songs, dancing, party, sex, fun, sport, entertainment are certain elements of such celebrations. It is humanly impossible to undo all these evils in a population, habituated with such intoxication of body and mind.
The soul is still functioning under Allah's command, to say and remind us of the evils of the above and get purified in the mind and in the body. All that is required of us by Allah is to Trust Him, there is Ample from the Most Beneficent, the Most Pure - if only we entrust Purification of our mind and body, back with His Self.
20:1
Ta - Thahir, The Most Pure in Promises is
Ha - Hudha, The Only Guide who puts us in the Straight Path.
20:2 We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed.
Despite their claim to be Quran alone people, not a single soul that is distress free. Allah is pure in His promises; it is we who are distrustful and dishonest to Allah.
Meeting point of the Two Seas
O Musa! O Mankind!
When Musa saw a fire and said to his family, "Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance."
When Musa set out of Madyan with his family to a far away distance, the night arrives and the darkness shrouds that makes them halt in their journey. The external eyes could not see the way. But Musa was remembering God more for the way; his inner eyes were open all the while during the night while the family members were tired asleep. Musa was alone wakeful prayerfully in his insight, wishing for the safety and for the way, looking up to his God alone.
It is about the time he sees a fire at some distance that which actually is the Light of Allah; Musa perceives the Light as a call towards it and as a means to continue on their journey through the night. He informs his family members to stay put until he comes back from the fire he saw for sure and leaves the family towards the direction he saw the Light. Now only the insight takes Musa to the exact spot as guided by Allah. So much engrossed was Musa in Allah's guidance with faith filling up his heart in total. His heart is cleansed of all the worldly fear and at this purity of his moment, Musa hears the call of Allah:
O Musa!Likewise, Allah keeps calling out to all of us; what we lack is the insight overpowering the upsetting material out sight. We always see the fire of external sight that which is the opposite to the Insight, the Light for the brightest future, where Allah is speaking to all of us, all the time. The connecting point with Allah is where the Insight and the out-sight meets i.e. the point where the "two se(a)es" meet.
Stay at the point where the two seas meet and be connected with Allah as much as possible especially when you are left for yourself all alone where the external world which you had believed in, and upon which you had relied so heavily, has finally failed you; Allah is there calling out to you with His hands extended to you. Allah should help us perceive Him when we meet Him, at that meeting point, without fail. So be prayerful: O my God, when we are pushed to the meeting point, never fail us; never leave us astray at that crucial moment; Save us now, and Save us ever from the out-sight of our own, shaitaans', jinns' and from their accomplices among men and from our relatives.
"And it is not for any human being be it Musa, or Mankind that Allah should speak to him except by revelation through perception direct by Insight, or from the Malayika who are veiled to your external out-sight, or that He sends a human messenger to reveal and explain, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise."
Listen to the Call of Allah,
"O mankind![/b]" 4:1, 133, 170, 174 and so on. Stay at the meeting point of the "Two Se(a)es!"
O Allah, The God of All the Worlds!
Make us Listen to Thee -
Open up our Insights;
Save us from our Out-sights;
Keep us at the Meeting Point-
Of the Two 'Seas'!
We are believers unto Thee;
That we Meet with Thee.
Quote from: drfazl on January 01, 2014, 04:35:41 AM
Chapter 20: Ta Ha
Whenever we speak or do a thing it means we generally wish generously about it in our hearts and in our mind. Without our mind distinctly knowing the goods and evils of what we have in our minds we cannot speak proper, nor do we do good, nor would we progress in the straight path - to the contrary without such thoughtlessness our talks and through the works we do, we would only create chaos to our own as well as to the minds of the entire community.
For example Allah begins chapter 20 with the point Ta Ha. It is His Wish and command for us to purify our minds; and to conduct our hearts, in the Straight Path. This means we have obstacles in our minds and hearts as desires and avarice for the earth materials. These qualities are nothing but that makes us the companions of evil. The character of evil mind is smearing all righteous path as wrong; and commending all the wrongful acts as justified necessities and as the human rights. While virtue is fumed at as ridiculous, immorality is greeted with sophisticated celebration: gambling, drinks, sound of musics, songs, dancing, party, sex, fun, sport, entertainment are certain elements of such celebrations. It is humanly impossible to undo all these evils in a population, habituated with such intoxication of body and mind.
The soul is still functioning under Allah's command, to say and remind us of the evils of the above and get purified in the mind and in the body. All that is required of us by Allah is to Trust Him, there is Ample from the Most Beneficent, the Most Pure - if only we entrust Purification of our mind and body, back with His Self.
20:1
Ta - Thahir, The Most Pure in Promises is
Ha - Hudha, The Only Guide who puts us in the Straight Path.
20:2 We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed.
Despite their claim to be Quran alone people, not a single soul that is distress free. Allah is pure in His promises; it is we who are distrustful and dishonest to Allah.
16:112 And Allah presents an example: a city which was safe and secure, its provision coming to it in abundance from every location, but it denied the favors of Allah . So Allah made it taste the envelopment of hunger and fear for what they had been doing.
16:113 And there had certainly come to them a Messenger from among themselves, but they denied him; so punishment overtook them while they were wrongdoers.
We are fearless and secure with the blessings of allah and all the materials we got in abundance, all from allah. At the same time when we were doing bad talks and bad deed and whenever we deviate from the right path , the messengers are always there in every part of the world. They are showing the right path.
But most of the people are rejecting messenger's guidance. Natural calamities,war,sufferings in our daily life are due to the rejection of the messenger's guidance. It is our duty to find out who are the messengers. In our place we saw the cyclone which devastated the nearby area, nearby towns. All their developments were brought down which will take 20 years to re-establish.
Now im able to understand the meaning of Ta-Ha. My prayer is "Allah purify our minds and show us the right path ".
Quote from: drfazl on January 01, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
Meeting point of the Two Seas
O Musa! O Mankind!
When Musa saw a fire and said to his family, "Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance."
When Musa set out of Madyan with his family to a far away distance, the night arrives and the darkness shrouds that makes them halt in their journey. The external eyes could not see the way. But Musa was remembering God more for the way; his inner eyes were open all the while during the night while the family members were tired asleep. Musa was alone wakeful prayerfully in his insight, wishing for the safety and for the way, looking up to his God alone.
It is about the time he sees a fire at some distance that which actually is the Light of Allah; Musa perceives the Light as a call towards it and as a means to continue on their journey through the night. He informs his family members to stay put until he comes back from the fire he saw for sure and leaves the family towards the direction he saw the Light. Now only the insight takes Musa to the exact spot as guided by Allah. So much engrossed was Musa in Allah's guidance with faith filling up his heart in total. His heart is cleansed of all the worldly fear and at this purity of his moment, Musa hears the call of Allah: O Musa!
Likewise, Allah keeps calling out to all of us; what we lack is the insight overpowering the upsetting material out sight. We always see the fire of external sight that which is the opposite to the Insight, the Light for the brightest future, where Allah is speaking to all of us, all the time. The connecting point with Allah is where the Insight and the out-sight meets i.e. the point where the "two se(a)es" meet.
Stay at the point where the two seas meet and be connected with Allah as much as possible especially when you are left for yourself all alone where the external world which you had believed in, and upon which you had relied so heavily, has finally failed you; Allah is there calling out to you with His hands extended to you. Allah should help us perceive Him when we meet Him, at that meeting point, without fail. So be prayerful: O my God, when we are pushed to the meeting point, never fail us; never leave us astray at that crucial moment; Save us now, and Save us ever from the out-sight of our own, shaitaans', jinns' and from their accomplices among men and from our relatives.
"And it is not for any human being be it Musa, or Mankind that Allah should speak to him except by revelation through perception direct by Insight, or from the Malayika who are veiled to your external out-sight, or that He sends a human messenger to reveal and explain, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise."
Listen to the Call of Allah,"O mankind![/b]" 4:1, 133, 170, 174 and so on. Stay at the meeting point of the "Two Se(a)es!"
O Allah, The God of All the Worlds!
Make us Listen to Thee -
Open up our Insights;
Save us from our Out-sights;
Keep us at the Meeting Point-
Of the Two 'Seas'!
We are believers unto Thee;
That we Meet with Thee.
dr,
peace,
Quoteespecially when you are left for yourself all alone where the external world which you had believed in, and upon which you had relied so heavily, has finally failed you; Allah is there calling out to you with His hands extended to you.
this moved my heart when i read. yes, this is a revelation for the believers, from the Al-knower, regarding the meaning of the two seas.
i understand now, everyone in his life in many a time, cross the point of two seas ignoring the happenings - the call of Allah.
really dr. i pray the beautiful prayer you mentioned and to keep it very near my heart so that i pray my Lord whenever time He reminds me. so that i should not miss the meeting points of two seas in my life the next time He pushes me to the point.
i wish now to the Lord of all worlds, not to fail me, ever.
peace.
Am I A Man, Insecure?
This is a question from one of the forum members who PMed me. I thought it is worth writing down the answer here, in case it should be of benefit to those who find it helpful.
My question is, Dr Fazl, through out the day I tend to get high levels of anxiety, increased heart rate, or even shyness when i intend to speak to particular females at work. Not to mention, to who i am attracted to and i sense they are attracted to me as well. What amazes me why i do not get these same symptoms around other beautiful women who do not face me what so ever. Are these indicators from Allah signalling me to stay away from these particular females when my body begins to react in such a way, the unseen force? People naturally call this a person who has no self confidence, who is insecure when feeling these feelings that I feel. Am i understanding this right?
Anxiety is apprehending uncertainty about the consequences of a venture; you are very young and furthering on your studies and might have just started earning for your living. Just like the apprehension about your own future, you have the hidden concern for the spouse who would join you for life. This adds to the persistence of one's anxiety to the point of fear too. All this is inherent in every male or female who comes of age whose mind is not just sex oriented. Because of the good nature of yours such as concern and care for someone who would join you as your companion for life; your anxiety and increased heart rate is God-given protection that you shall avoid the situation until you are well settled in life without fear for tomorrow and until such time you are good enough to take good care for another soul that becomes your life partner. Your PM shows you are in the transformation of being a perfect adult in all sense.
Preserve this heavenly protection endowed through your psychological wakefulness by way of the inherent anxiety and justified apprehension that causes increased heart rate so naturally checking your advances for now. Once you start getting good inflow of money and a major part of the uncertainties concerning the care and responsibilities wane, you shall get even mindedness; your outlook towards the family life would be far greater, beautiful and dearer to you and you would be with this mental nature easily wading through every difficulty that shall arise in a family life. The shyness shall surely reflect on your careful steps and conscientious approach towards all your endeavours. This is perfectly in accordance with what Allah says in sure Isra 17, verse 36.
"And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those will be questioned."
When you attracted towards a woman naturally, the inherent protection starts from with in your heart as questions as follows:
Q: Why do you want a woman?
A: It is my internal need, natural.
Q: Is your need for the companion in a woman for mutual love, care, comfort bonded with very personal psychological affiliation? Or for sex as primary need?
(Listen to what your conscience says to you now; you will be questioned of that which you listened to as your conscience speaks to you as answers to the questions; all these are recorded on a clear Book)
A: Yes, for mutual love, care and comfort with psychological affiliation to each other.
Q: And sex?
A: It should be as 'the last but not the least'.
Q: How sure you are when you say this?
A: I am sure, though I am not able to define.
Q: Motherly affection - fatherly concern which is greater?
A: Both. Cannot hold one greater or lesser than the other.
Q: One should be greater than the other; you should ponder over this and say that. Mother takes greater pain in bearing you in her womb for 9 full months; thereafter weaning you away from feeding takes another 1 1/2 year to 2 years; she rears you with difficulties after difficulties; she has sacrificed her prime life or entire life to bear you, and to rear you until you are on your own feet and words. In this father has no role at all.
A: Surely motherly affection is far greater.
Q: Is womanhood greater or not in general and in particular?
A: Yes.
Q: Then you had better be careful in nearing or advancing towards any woman for that matter with ulterior motives of, and primarily for sex, even by your heart. Fear Allah and treat them with utmost dignity. Your hearts would definitely be questioned for any faulty behaviour in this. You would be deprived of womanly comfort, care and love for life. Family would shatter. Life would be lost; and fear Allah. For all the shortcomings of your spouse, all that Allah wish from you is to show concern and affection towards her all life as a gratitude for having given the woman your life partner and to rear her family - in the real sense, for both of you. You can never show angry face at all at your spouse except show of love, patience and concern and being prayerful for them.
As long as you are not up to His expected natural behaviour, Allah sends you warning you cannot approach any woman without anxiety, apprehension and increased heart beat. Allah beats up your heart. Restrain and improve your standards as a man-perfect, and of loving nature. It is Allah who would be bringing you as your spouse, according to your grades and standards from among the Believing women, the truthful, the patient, the God-fearing, the one who is obedient before God, the fasting, the one who guards her dignity, the one who is in constant remembrance of righteousness and such among them upon who Allah had bestowed His grace and forgiveness.
Dear friend, you are well guarded by Allah; you have good nature and be reassured that you are on the right track by Allah; you would raise a beautiful family. Further Allah would give from Him a wisdom by which you shall excel most people on earth with their earthy living and stand as a towering personality and live as an inspiration to the humanity. Do not listen to the people and change such a beautiful heart that you possess which beats you in your heart when you have wrongful sense creating caution, anxiety, apprehension and palpitation of heart. Shun the people who would say you have feeling of insecurity. If you had understood this, from this moment you would face any lady with utmost honour and dignity however charm looking she might be; she would not cause a blink in you.
Have a great life; great family; and be great models your family as a whole, before the human society. From among such of you Allah might raise, Messengers of the future. Now you tell me "Are You A Man, Insecure?
Masha Allah.
Peace Dr Fazl,
All Glory, Dignity, Honour to Allah alone.
Throughout Quran, Allah upholds womanhood in a most dignified manner.
Each and every word of your post is so dignifying and should be cherished. Layers and layers of clarity and truth.
I can feel that you have lived it and it has come out of your experience. You are walking your talk and it is not mere preaching.
I can bear witness to the fact that, yes the question arose in my mind and my conscience answered. As a result today I am seeing far fetching results for listening to the conscience.
The question was - which is better: a casual fling or a permanent, good, and mutually sincere feel and caring relationship. Conscience answered: yes genuine, long lasting one, and my own, that which should be chosen by Him. Truly, this restrain, is a result of God's protection and guidance. The fruits of - patience, holding out for the one that is soul-matched for a person, - out-runs everything else when the end result blossoms and manifests.
in Gratitude,
gita
Peace Dr Fazl,
20:50
Musa (Moses) said: "Our Lord is He Who gave to each thing its form and nature, then gave guidance"
* Form and nature
* I should not use an object. It should be useful to me
Can you please clarify.
gita
Quote from: Wiselite on January 07, 2014, 01:15:28 AM
Peace Dr Fazl,
20:50
Musa (Moses) said: "Our Lord is He Who gave to each thing its form and nature, then gave guidance"
* Form and nature
* I should not use an object. It should be useful to me
Can you please clarify.
gita
Peace
gita,
He said: "Our God is He Who gave to each thing its nature, and Who then gave the guidance.
Each thing: God had created all things and has been creating anew and afresh each and everything in the heavens and in the earth and in everything in between for man. And then He gave them all the guidance to grasp our attention to it and teach us as to how to make full use of them for our best benefits. For example, a mango tree: As it grows before us from under our feet, it makes us wait and catches our sight when it bears its flowers; then it draws our mind towards it as it transforms into an unripe mango; it does not produce any smell of the fruit which means it does not invite us yet to taste it. Later, its green tinge changes into pinkish yellow and then red, giving out a pleasant smell inviting us to it, and then further it ripens and calls us to savour the fruits of its bearings. Now we eat it. And say All Glory Be To Allah, the God of the universal Creator.
All human inventions are not inventions of man but because of the teachings by the entire nature, as to how to use everything wholesomely, or by its unit bits, or in its varying combinations - by Allah's leave and command and as Allah guides each of them to yield and mould under man's hands, in order that man understands to comprehend them into an idea and into concepts, and then to man's inventions from the start up to the point when he ends, tired of it. Yet, there is more and many more to what man had comprehended and idealised. Only his pride ends his comprehension which otherwise should have lead to torrents of current creations with liveliness and should have even proceeded further and beyond all comprehensions and inventions, by Allah's grace.
Everything in nature always awaits to teach us more and more by His leave, and by His guidance and command.
18:84 Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
Never engage in debates
But engage with the Signs
21:7
Before you, the messengers We sent were but men; to them We gave inspiration:
If you cannot comprehend this, ask those who possess comprehension.
Allah gives inspiration of the ayats of Quran to those who earnestly read to apply the essence of it in day to day life; and to those who would prostrate to such guidance of the revelation as they commit to practise it earnestly. This attitude is the best of all deeds in the making. Allah rewards such people with His wisdom.
12:22 And when Yusuf came of age, We gave him distinguishing ability and wisdom. And thus We reward the doers of good. 31:3 As guidance and mercy for the doers of good 37:80 Thus do We surely reward the doers of good.
Revelation of Wisdom and Distinguishing Ability by Allah guides them through the revealing Signs of Quran and they live by them as only a Sign unto others. Such foremost people are there in every community, however minuscule the numbers of their community members are. Yet, unless one is pious and of pondering ability they cannot identify such signatories as near and dear as their kith and kin. The ayat 21:7 is a clear Sign from Allah that the Signs of Quran is not for the verbal debates but the revelation to follow, falling to them in sujud(prostration). Never engage in debates but engage with the Sigs.
Quran: A Reminder; An Admonition; A Glad tiding
Quran is each one's wholesome biography
21:10 We have certainly sent down to you a Book in which is your sense. Then will you not reason?
Quran has reason in its ayats, sense in its words, remembrance with reference to each one's life and resemblance to one's situation at any point of time. Every individual's life discreetly, is the entire context of Quran, if only we understand Quran is the Guidance for those who believe in it.
We would lose our life's guidance as a whole, if we do not go by the above but turn away from it to look into the dictionary meanings and the grammar way to give a rigid and literal reading, leaving no room to reflect upon each of the ayats, as reflection of our works in our life so that we are reminded, admonished and given the glad tidings.
Quote from: drfazl on January 12, 2014, 10:13:38 PM
Never engage in debates
But engage with the Signs
21:7
Before you, the messengers We sent were but men; to them We gave inspiration:
If you cannot comprehend this, ask those who possess comprehension.
Allah gives inspiration of the ayats of Quran to those who earnestly read to apply the essence of it in day to day life; and to those who would prostrate to such guidance of the revelation as they commit to practise it earnestly. This attitude is the best of all deeds in the making. Allah rewards such people with His wisdom.
12:22 And when Yusuf came of age, We gave him distinguishing ability and wisdom. And thus We reward the doers of good. 31:3 As guidance and mercy for the doers of good 37:80 Thus do We surely reward the doers of good.
Revelation of Wisdom and Distinguishing Ability by Allah guides them through the revealing Signs of Quran and they live by them as only a Sign unto others. Such foremost people are there in every community, however minuscule the numbers of their community members are. Yet, unless one is pious and of pondering ability they cannot identify such signatories as near and dear as their kith and kin. The ayat 21:7 is a clear Sign from Allah that the Signs of Quran is not for the verbal debates but the revelation to follow, falling to them in sujud(prostration). Never engage in debates but engage with the Sigs.
because nobody can guide someone else, especially not by force
Quote from: drfazl on January 13, 2014, 07:28:20 AM
Quran: A Reminder; An Admonition; A Glad tiding
Quran is each one's wholesome biography
21:10 We have certainly sent down to you a Book in which is your sense. Then will you not reason?
Quran has reason in its ayats, sense in its words, remembrance with reference to each one's life and resemblance to one's situation at any point of time. Every individual's life discreetly, is the entire context of Quran, if only we understand Quran is the Guidance for those who believe in it.
We would lose our life's guidance as a whole, if we do not go by the above but turn away from it to look into the dictionary meanings and the grammar way to give a rigid and literal reading, leaving no room to reflect upon each of the ayats, as reflection of our works in our life so that we are reminded, admonished and given the glad tidings.
because each of us has his or her own world, distinct from anyone else's world
Zulf,
Quotebecause nobody can guide someone else, especially not by force
And one cannot force even himself in the straight path for it is Allah who would conduct him if he truthfully submits and surrenders to Him wholesomely. Though it is hard to have that prostrating Will, it is easy to Allah that He endows upon us such 'sujud'ful mind, if only we entrust.
Quotebecause each of us has his or her own world, distinct from anyone else's world
My sincere thanks for your summary.
drfazl
Skies and the Earth
Heaven or the Hell-fire
21:16 We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in play.
We do live, and have been living, and it is likely we would forever live our life, in play. We had not tilted our heads up to see the sky that which is made up as a heavy fortress of greatest mass that shall give the people the appearance of that of a cloud when a piece of it comes dashing on to the ground; and such a sky is filled with blazing fire and powerful guardians. The vain scientists postulate without shame, their assumptions with pride that the sky is a open space; this is because they do not possess the Luminous Book nor were they granted the wisdom of Allah. And the people generally are even more playful while they are seriously studying heal-over-heads, the astronomical vanities to add to their part of pride.
The word Play may be viewed having the following sensitive meanings as: sport, competition, envy, vying, enmity, gamble, vanity, ignorance, indifference, pride, destruction, brute, contemptible, condemnable and as living in Hell-fire. We can not afford to ignore the reason for the creations; and what the Truth is about the two grand creations, the skies and the earth. Unless we seek from the Most Wise and the Most High, the wisdom of them, it is absolutely impossible for man to know that it is not for the man to understand or comprehend through their scientific playful brute ignorance coupled with arrogance. Hell alone would be the end to the human proceedings because they chose to know the TRUTH, themselves without the help of the Creator.
38:27 And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in vain. Such is the thought of the disbelievers. And unto such disbelievers is the curse, of the Fire!
Without the sky and what is between it and the earth, the earth would have been extinct. And but for the earth which is to house man, the sky would not have been created by Allah. The earth is looking up to Allah for the sky to bring down its coolness, warmth, water and breeze for its own thriving, for the sake of man. And Allah has created from the sky down to earth and everything in between with a purpose to register each man's deed of good and bad - to reward them and to deal with them justly. He has created the malayikas to seek forgiveness for man and to drive the jinns away from even nearing the believers, thus saving the mankind from the hell-fire. All that Allah the Creator of the heavens and the earth wants from man is to constantly seek the wisdom of the heavens and the earth and all those creations in between the two, without let up in mind.
3:191 Those who remember Allah while standing or sitting or lying on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, and say: "Our God, You did not create this without purpose; exalted are You; protect us from the torment of the Fire.
We shall glorify Allah, justly calling on Him with every Attributes of Him. In the context of the present article, we call upon Him with such of His Attributes: O the Creator; O the Most Wise; O the Teacher; O the Guide; O the Forgiver; O the Saviour from the Hell fire! You are the One who could enlighten us about the skies and the earth and everything in between. You are the Guide to conduct our intelligence through them all; You are the Forgiver of our sins; You are the Most Patient and Enduring when we get tired of remembering You or when we turn away from You in our ignorance and impatience. You had not created these in vain as our knowledge of ignorance teaches us; bear with us and raise us to the need of the Hour.
I need guidance from allah, prophets, the well informed and the servants of the most merciful.
When i read the posts of our forum members, one thing i found, some are rejecting guidance from the people who are following the righteous path.
25:59 He who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six days and then established Himself above the Throne - the Most Merciful, so ask about Him one well informed.
What we understand about this part of verse saying "well informed"? Whether it is from allah or humans? It is humans.
Who are the servants of merciful or from whom we should get guidance?
Please go through 25:63 to 25:74
From these ayats we can easily understand who are the right people from whom we should get the guidance. These right people during their prayer to allah they say ," O allah make us a guide for the righteous people ".
Allah guides us all through right people from the beginning of this world till its end. But we people reject the guidance from the chosen ones.
What would our lord ask for other than supplication?
What for is this forum,is this only for chit-chat? People share their experiences to be an example to others. Where is the 'force' here to comply to one's ideas ? People will choose what is right.
Listen And Surrender To Allah as He Speaks His Words To You All
21:25 And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no God except Me, so worship Me."
The note of the above ayat is that Allah chooses messengers among such peoples who have reached the rock-bottom in despair. Allah asks the messengers to say to the people that He is with each of them reassuring: I am with you; it is my good news to you that which you receive in your hearts as wahi; and you shall never earn this using your material living systems of any walk. There is no God besides Me; so put your trust in Me and surrender to My Way with humility.
The ayat can be redefined as the following:
21:25 And We sent not before you any messenger except to say - Listen to the wahi of Allah in you all: "No God but Me; surrender to Me."
Whoso believes in wahi being constantly sent down upon him and perceives this inner voice as direct word of Allah, would surely surrender to His God and thereafter would not associate anyone to Him; and God would place him in His Straight Path.
Cry Before Silence
21:27 They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command.
21:27 They would not advance before His Will; and they do as He Wish.
Blue: Literal reading
Green: Perception of Revelation
Note: The God of the skies and the earth and everything in between - Allah, sends His Wahi upon His Ruh which He has breathed into each man when born and made it His SOUL to rest in his heart for good, till his last breath i.e His RUH, His very first Breath that kick started His breathing and life, is captured back by the Malayikas by His Command.
That first breathing is the All-Encompassed Creative and Functional Energy of All Universes combine, that which is your Soul. At that very moment 'Be!' from Allah is set in it that keeps moving your mind forward to His Will, in every unit of your breathing. Our only duty in this world is to make our minds become humble slaves before the word of Allah, as He keeps breathing His Will upon your Ruh as Wahi. Surrender to His Wahi.
What His Wahi is: It is the Will of your God, Allah, to elevate each of you to the Throne of the universe and then upon the Universes according to the grades of your belief in His Wahi, steadfastness in it, humility before it, servitude towards it, and the degree of your guarding against disbelief. Disbelief is the end product of every indiscipline of all the worldly knowledge, combine.
His Wahi is His Will sent to our Ruh is only as an Insight, the absolute Wisdom from Him, the God of the Universes. Our Insight receives this as, 'out of the worlds feel' that can not be figured out through any of your every means of external sights, the physics and the science all put together. They cannot have a glimpse at even a Sign of the Wahi. Out-of-the-worlds feel that rests in our Souls reveals to us that we are perched upon the Arsh, the Throne of the worlds. Sadly enough when you, with your pride of the earthy knowledge - speak dismissing one's own Insight; and mocking at the believing people before them and ridiculing them in their behind, they are coming down falling heavily from the skies face down to the ground.
This is because such disbelievers advance their cry of their science and noise of their technology high above God's calm and revelling Insight and His Composed Signs of peace and tranquillity He would bestow upon the believers's Ruh, by the power of His Will.
Science should keep crying and trying to its highest decibels until it shrieks to a grinding halt when it advances before the Signs of His Wisdom; and when the Hour of Wisdom comes, there ends all the matters and materials of men. The knowledge becomes extinct and the doom is cast.
9:32 They desire to blow out the Wisdom of Allah with their mouths, but Allah dawns His Wisdom upon, while the disbelievers hate it.
21:27 They would not advance before His Will; and they do as He Wish.
In any one's mind are the best and the worst things expected of his future at any point of time. The worst apprehension comes from one's own evil and devilishness; and all hopes in his mind of the best rewards is because of the word from God, The Most Able. There are thus compelling situations impending on us or advantageous environment protecting us. The hateful condition is what we had earned by our belief and faith in the evil; and the 'free mind' is what we had wished for, and that which we had well-anchored in our souls as His Will is sent down upon us.
Whoever follows the Will of Allah as his wishful need and thereafter stands steadfast without undermining it, never doubting its possibility of existence, believing his ill-informed education against it with arrogance, would suffer what he believed in; and know that God had not wronged such people a bit. For example, the ill-fed medicine says to a patient, "There is no cure for your disease and you have to live the rest of your life, consuming medicines struggling for life, until you die." The disbeliever takes the evil to his soul; while he accepts such evil word from the ignorant doctors, there is always his God's words that say to him, "You shall get rid of all your afflictions by My Will; it is easy for Me. Be Patient and abide by Me believing Me and My Promise alone." Thus there are two opposing forces in the mind. One, is the God's words, the Most Competent that spring from the Soul and the other is the evil force, the external material education ringing death knell on the soul, saying, "You will die; there is no way for survival without the disease ultimately killing you; and that is for sure!"
When the promise of God comes to them through the malayikas as wahi that says, 'there is no disease at all and you shall live healthily until the prescribed Hour arrives at you. But you advance and leap on to the deadly words cast upon you through the condemnable education of man. Thus the malayikas give you glad tidings against the ignorant education you possess about your High blood pressure, your kidney failure, your lung failure, your liver failure, your heart failure, your diabetes, your gynaecological problems, your cancer diseases and so forth. When you are a disbeliever in such good news because you valued the medical education high above God's words, you say denounce and dismiss the malayikas who reveal to your mind saying, 'Mind you, these are the God's words of good promise; and God's will be done! If you disbelieve this and advance with the promises of people's education, then you do so to your soul's destruction.' Those who disbelieve, should advance before Allah and His malayikas. And they, the malayikas disown them in return by the leave of Allah, not pleading with Allah any more for them in intercession. When the doom befalls them, they would not delay capturing their lives, smiting their faces and their backs saying to them, "Taste the hell fire because you were disbelievers and did wrong to your own souls."
21:27 They would not advance before His Will; and they do as He Wish.
Detail the Space into Heavenly Bodies and Ascend To The Throne
Or Get Derailed Into The Depths Of Abyss.
21:30 Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
21:30 Have the disbelievers not seen that the skies and the earth were in unified entity and we detailed them and that we caused all living things from water? Do they not then believe?
blue: Normal and literal meaning
Green: understanding the meaning with sense
"Unified Entity" is being 'a being'; 'being' is the sign of totality of all things, existing in absolute abstractness; and exactly this is how the entire visible creations today - the skies, the earth and everything in between, the heavenly things - were once in a state of being. Likewise there is this entity ever present in abundance inside the present space, and out of such conceived spaces, if any known to us. All Glory Be To God, The Creator.
We are 'beings' in human nature, created and placed as an entity in the Soul or the Ruh of Allah. It is the Throne for the highest being, Man, whence he could command formations from the abstract unified entity, the Space by the leave of Allah, the Creator. Man could command what is in the skies, what is in the earth and all that which are present in between; and he could form in to existence, newer and many more lively beings to serve him, as per his wish and will from that spacious universe by a word 'Be' from Allah into being, i.e, bringing forth the abstract being to living manifestation and the life from the dead by the grant of Allah, the Almighty.
Being soulful is Human being and that should he believe and abide by the Grand Command of his RUH, the unified force in the space would cleave apart in to further formations and as detailed living things. Water is the living source of man and as the first measure of grant, Allah would allow the 'being in human' the power to command the Air and the Water; the water in the sea and in the clouds above him; and in the water on the land, and within the rocks to sprout as 12 springs as was given to the Prophet Musa to see as Signs from Allah.
8:11 As a reassurance from Him, sent down water from the sky upon you, that thereby He might elevate you, and detail you from the fear of Satan, and make strong your hearts and firm your feet thereby.
Here we see how Allah guides us through the Prophet Nuh:
71:11 He will send rain from the sky upon you in continuing showers
71:12 And give you increase in things and children and provide for you gardens and provide for you rivers.
71:13 What is the matter with you that you do not attribute to Allah due grandeur?
Cleave asunder the space i.e, the unified entity into living manifestations, if you are a believer in the Creator. "Make this universe heavenly abode", is the command from the Mighty Creator, for the man as long as his stint in this world lasts with a word 'Be' from Him.
72:16 And Allah revealed that if they had remained straight on the way, We would have given them abundant water.
Would you then believe?
Turn Him Not Aside For
The Return Of His Mercy
21:42 Say, "Who can protect you by night and by day from the Most Merciful?" But they turn aside the remembrance of their God."
Remembering one's own capacity ignoring The Provider, takes him in the direction of losses of his gains; remembering one's own intelligence, makes him ignore his misgivings; believing in one's own education, leads him to his dead end; believing in one's own hard physical efforts leads to his frustration and despair; relying on one's own physical health makes him physically and mentally a sick person; believing in medicine for his fitness poisons his blood and thriving; believing, remembering and relying in doctors for life and living make them too heart-sick and despondent.
Such are the lives of most, digressing their entire lives towards hopelessness. This is because they turn away from the remembrance of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Kind; and while Allah by His compassion and mercy forgiving their mistakes and sins and while by His Grace and Benevolence, gives them a long rope, all their lives by night and by day, the ungrateful and arrogant heart-sick people spend their life time glorifying their own knowledge and prowesses. Now the time for most has come for the questioning of all those who lived their lives remembering less and less of Allah and who glorified people as The Laureates, The Noble:
21:1, 2. Closer and closer to mankind comes their Hour of questioning: yet they heed not and they turn away. No reminder comes to them anew from their God except that they heed not to it, and while they mock at it.
Let us remember and revere from this day more of Allah's Attributes: the Compassionate, the Benevolent, the Merciful, the Kind, the Forgiving, the Able, than our own characters of Pride, before the Hour arrives on us. If Allah ever stops seeing us due to our continued turning away and indulgence in arrogance and in extravagance, that is it: The Hour has Finally Arrived For Us. Who would then save us but for The Return Of His Mercy upon Us? Do we not reflect then, by day and by night, and Revere Allah, the God of the universes?
21:42 Say, "Who can protect you by night and by day from the Most Merciful?" But they turn aside the remembrance of their God."
22:24 And they had been guided [in worldly life] to good speech, and they were guided to the path of the Praiseworthy.
22:24 And they had been guided towards the Purest Words, and they were humbled in the path of 'All Glory Be To The God Of The Worlds'.
Blue: Literal translation
Green: Meaning by perception
Each and every just needs of our life is of the diktat of Allah; and the purest word from Him is that that it is with Him is the Justice and the Way. Each one stepping out of the Guidance, wanders in his own way aimlessly and striving mindlessly. The aim of such of these is, to get well settled with enough money that would feed him for generations. They had failed to understand God's guidance towards life is well above all the money, the worst enemy of all human nature - thus their striving is purposeless and aimless.
In every aimless direction, each meets with a dead end at any point in his works from the scratch to his heights of glory. One's aim shall be, by the order of God is to follow the peace and holding the peace firm in the Mind while seeking from the most Glorious in one's Soul to further the peace towards its prosperity till the Last Day. But when the mind is for the money, and the luxuries it could fetch, then mind is lost to the desires based injustices in opposition to the Pure Guidance from His Soul, from The Most Glorious.
Our works for the worldly pleasures and wealth brings us pride and envy, the twin inseparable woes to the hearts. This means we had fallen apart from the path of The Most Glorious i.e, pride and envy gives us the feel we are above all the humble and pious people. With these two evil nature we are not in the path of 'All glory to be to the God of the universes. Therefore we cease to be under the mercy and kindness of Allah with our twin woes. Henceforth we would be cast aside and left astray with torment and bewilderment.
Thank you, may Allah guide us all to the straight path.
peace
The books on science,
A castaway debris
22:31 Inclining [only] to Allah , not associating [anything] with Him. And he who associates with Allah - it is as though he had fallen from the sky and was snatched by the birds or the wind carried him down into a remote place.
22:31 Do not associate anything with Allah but bow to Him; And he who associates with Allah - it is as though he had fallen from the sky and was snatched away by the birds or the wind carried him far off into a remote place.
The above two parts in blue shall have to be understood from what Quran defines as: Allah is the word that comprises All the Best Attributes in the heavens down to earth. And all things in the entire universe praise His Glorious Attributes while surrendering their entire selves only to Allah. He is the Creator and Ruler of all His creations seen and unseen to our eyes; and known and unknown to our knowledge, the science. If we believe in the science with pride, we leave out the prime hidden source of life - high and above the materially lifeless and the prognostically deathward science. On the other hand if we believe in Allah we would be taught by the All-Knowing Teacher, the hidden life source behind every creation on/in the universe and their details of their servitude to the mankind. Believing in and careful reasoning of this one ayat, by Allah, shall throw for the believers, the light upon the unseen hidden power source behind each and every creation, the enlightenment by which you can have mastery over the creations of the Universal things and Universal happenings.
31:20 Do you not see that Allah has made subservient to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His enlightenment, through insight and out-sight? But of the people is he who disputes[with their science book] about Allah without knowledge or guidance or the Enlightening Book.
Never associate your scientific knowledge with, or equate them to, or hold them high above the Teaching of the All-Knowing. If any one feels so proudly, or behaves so arrogantly, he is already a cast away debris.
Quote from: shats on January 29, 2014, 04:26:54 AM
Thank you, may Allah guide us all to the straight path.
peace
May Allah Guide Us All, shats and Welcome
Listen and follow the best
The Hour Of Hope
(fear and abide admonition)
The Hopeless Hours
(arguments, discussions and debates)
Man either progresses towards heavenly life or degresses towards the Hour of torment of fire. There are these two categories such as those who believe in the Hour and those who disbelieve in the Hour. Such belief and rejection of the Hour, in esence is, with regard to the Wahi each one receives in his heart, as his live conscience, as is evidenced to him through his good doings and his bad doings. It is admonished to each by his Hour, determined for sure. A believer in the Almighty power fears It; and keeps seeking forgiveness until his heart receives peace and remains peaceful as Grace from The Most Kind.
25:11.But he who rejects the hour, and We have prepared a burning fire for him who rejects the hour.
42:22. You will see the unjust fearing on account of what they have earned, and it must befall them; and those who believe and do good shall be in the meadows of the gardens; they shall have what they please with their Lord: that is the Great Grace.
Those who fears heir worst days shall befall them and they would not be able to prevent them from occurring. We all are in that category most of our life's time. Allah has given us enough warning regarding our poverty and sufferings in the offing. Though we fear it to a certain level we tend to forget the admonition because most think they could manage such situation at that Hour. It is their vain hope. For they reject the Hour, and We have prepared a burning fire for them who rejects the hour 25:11. Nay, on that Hour their plead with their God would avail them not, aught. 21:39. Had those who disbelieve, but made known of the Hour - they shall not be able to ward off the fire from their faces nor from their backs, nor shall they be helped.
Therefore we believers have only time to seek forgiveness and behave fearinng our conscience as it keeps receiving Allah's admonition before the Hour arrives on us. May it be a blessing for the believing pious; and May it not be a doom damning us as punishment for our disbelief. There is no time left for arguments, discussions and debates.
Quote from: drfazl on February 02, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
The Hour Of Hope
(fear and abide admonition)
The Hopeless Hours
(arguments, discussions and debates)
Man either progresses towards heavenly life or degresses towards the Hour of torment of fire. There are these two categories such as those who believe in the Hour and those who disbelieve in the Hour. Such belief and rejection of the Hour, in esence is, with regard to the Wahi each one receives in his heart, as his live conscience, as is evidenced to him through his good doings and his bad doings. It is admonished to each by his Hour, determined for sure. A believer in the Almighty power fears It; and keeps seeking forgiveness until his heart receives peace and remains peaceful as Grace from The Most Kind.
25:11.But he who rejects the hour, and We have prepared a burning fire for him who rejects the hour.
42:22. You will see the unjust fearing on account of what they have earned, and it must befall them; and those who believe and do good shall be in the meadows of the gardens; they shall have what they please with their Lord: that is the Great Grace.
Those who fears heir worst days shall befall them and they would not be able to prevent them from occurring. We all are in that category most of our life's time. Allah has given us enough warning regarding our poverty and sufferings in the offing. Though we fear it to a certain level we tend to forget the admonition because most think they could manage such situation at that Hour. It is their vain hope. For they reject the Hour, and We have prepared a burning fire for them who rejects the hour 25:11. Nay, on that Hour their plead with their God would avail them not, aught. 21:39. Had those who disbelieve, but made known of the Hour - they shall not be able to ward off the fire from their faces nor from their backs, nor shall they be helped.
Therefore we believers have only time to seek forgiveness and behave fearinng our conscience as it keeps receiving Allah's admonition before the Hour arrives on us. May it be a blessing for the believing pious; and May it not be a doom damning us as punishment for our disbelief. There is no time left for arguments, discussions and debates.
Peace dr.fazl
In 25:11- But they have denied the Hour, and We have prepared for those who deny the Hour a Blaze. Allah says people who falsify his promises are punished for their deeds. But in 25:10 - Blessed is He who, if He willed, could have made for you better than that - gardens beneath which rivers flow - and could make for you palaces. It's mentioned that Allah promises to give heavenly life.
My question here is what is that the people reject when Allah promises to give such a life?
Allah Knows Well Your Plight
Be Prayerful, Fearing Allah
Do Not Indulge in Prayer
24:64 Unquestionably, to Allah belongs what is in the heavens and in the earth. He knows well your situation and your position; and the Day when they will be returned to Him, He will inform them of what they have done. Allah is Knower of all things.
Note: At any point of time during the Night or during the Day; and whether you are unaware or you are aware; and in your sleep or in your wakefulness - undoubtedly He knows where you are placed by the heavens and the earth, by way of peace and punishment or in terms of honour and disgrace upon His Word of Justice.
There is no submission of 'Dua' entertained by Him from us; but what is expected of us by God is the introspection and seeking His forgiveness and patience. He is watcher over you if you are able to see His displeasure about you which is manifestly evident in and about you. He sees if you had gone blind and deaf to your Insight and as a result to the out-sight too. So we have to shut down our out-sight and begin seeing through the Insight where the Malayika are informing, and showing us of what we have been doing through our words and deeds; and listen to the admonition of the Hour of our meeting with Allah, the God of the worlds.
The Most Gracious Allah, on the Day would inform us of how we rejected Allah and His Last Day, turning away from the Malayika, the appointed messengers for each of us; and how we disputed with the Books and thus wasted our lives disregarding the way of every Prophet; and killing them all altogether, ignoring them mocking.
Fear Allah, the Most Trustworthy in His Words and as The Only Judge whose pronouncement could never be changed as long as the heavens and the earth lasts, that which are changed to such a form on The Day that would last forever.
Quote from: dr.rks on February 03, 2014, 11:43:15 AM
Peace dr.fazl
In 25:11- But they have denied the Hour, and We have prepared for those who deny the Hour a Blaze. Allah says people who falsify his promises are punished for their deeds. But in 25:10 - Blessed is He who, if He willed, could have made for you better than that - gardens beneath which rivers flow - and could make for you palaces. It's mentioned that Allah promises to give heavenly life.
My question here is what is that the people reject when Allah promises to give such a life?
They reject the Blessed Hour in this world, the Hour that would free them from their afflictions 25:10 - Blessed is He who, if He willed, could have made for you better than that - gardens beneath which rivers flow - and could make for you palaces. It's mentioned that Allah promises to give heavenly life.
Multiple Wives For The Prophets
The duty of the prophets are:
To explain to you the Book
To teach you its Wisdom
To differentiate to you between Good and bad
To enjoin upon you all that is good
To forbid you from all evils and
To free you from slavery.
57:20 Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - Hence the prophets' lives are not for fun and fare; their lives are not to increase their families and wealth; and their lives are not for show of pride and arrogance. And for them is long hours of work during the day 73:7; and they sleep very little in the night 51:17. They stand in prayers nearly two thirds in the night praising and remembering the glory of Allah 73:20; further the prophets are woken up in the nights from their covers 73, 74:1; and in the early morning hours to go to their people to warn them and make them ready for the fight against all evil 74:2. Thus for the prophets no intentions for sex during the day time; nor did they have any time for it during the nights that they stayed away from fearing and guarding Allah's admonition; and seeking forgiveness for themselves and for others; and remembering Him more and more staying awake in the nights, all their lives.
DrGm, what do you understand from all these ayats? Have the prophets got any thing or any time left with them for their family life? or selfish life style? No, most people have gotten them all wrong and May God forbid for us; and forgive us.
The prophets were sent to an almost forbidden society on its last legs splintered into fractured groups who had become like aborigines with very little calibre to understand the Truth. Amongst them the prophets had to move in and live to teach them the Book and the Wisdom, a Himalayan task. Even amongst such people were the endowed and dignified ones who become like disciples who could remember the oath given to Allah that they should help their prophets with their wealth and lives. 3:81 "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you shall believe in him and support him." Said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
Such of these, men and women from among their peoples, do volunteer to help their Prophets by listening to their prophets and go back to their men and women folks to guide them in the straight path from their evil-mind caused situations. While males can sit with their prophets for all time day or night, the women cannot be that way. Yet their women folks need to be taught too. In such a situation those among women who have the ability to get to the straight path; and who can gain better of the Book and of the Wisdom are chosen to get married to their prophets in their works.
They now gain the status as the wives of the prophet; and for the believers they unto them are mothers who live and sacrifice their lives, for the lives of their people. Surely for the believers the wives of the prophets are their mothers; and the believers are by nature forbidden from entering into their mothers' private matters of privacy; this is a grace from Allah that the minds of the believers would never wander into such gross indecency.
But the ignorant ones in whose hearts is the disease and the arrogant disbelievers would enter into such indecencies creating maliciousness to the prophets' and their wives' pure intention-relation in the cause of Allah. It is atrocious to say that the prophets did have concubines or paramours bringing disrepute to themselves in the cause of Allah, and degrading the sacrificing women in the straight path.
Those who validate the prophets' wives as their mothers with piety to God, such of them are the legitimate descendants of the prophets that shall reap the good on the earth and enter the heaven. And those who claim the prophets did have illegal concubines, such of them become illegitimate descendants of all evil forces. It is better to stay quiet on matters in which we have no knowledge or less know, so that we are saved from the questioning before the detrimental torment of blazing fire in both the worlds.
17:36 And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those one will be questioned.
peace,
the chosen messengers and prophets are models for mankind in righteousness. the righteousness of the messengers can be understood only be Allah and His believers / His bondsmen / His truthful / His martyrs / His noble / His men of understanding / His obedience / His surrendering / His righteous / ...
thank you dr. for clearing the doubts of many about the multiple wives of the Prophets.
peace
Ta(Thahir)
Seen(Subhan)
Ta, Seen. These are the Signs of the Qur'an and a Clear Book
Ta Seen. These are the initials of Allah the Author of Quran Ta - Thahir and Seen - Subhan
Thahir and Subhan mean: The Cleanest; The Purest. Quran means The Signs that to which one shall listen, recite, rehearse as Pure and Clear Communication, the 'Bayan' from the Most High in his soul dawns upon his mind, as he reads through the verses of the Book.
The Cleanest, The Purest. These are the Signs of Quran. If your wish is that you shall be Clean in your thoughts without confusion and chaos in mind; and that your wish is that you shall be pure in your words of communication without hypocrisy and mischief in mind, it is possible only if you are guided in thoughts and action by the God of the worlds, Al - La - Hu, meaning Al - The, La - None, Hu- (but) He. The None but He.
The more we believe in other than Al-la-hu, the more impure we become in our minds our thoughts are grounded from their invisible heights and we floor them flat on their faces. We make the glorious thoughts bite the dust and make them fit for the dustbins to our own peril. Our cleanliness in the mind is dirtied and with such mental derangement, we are faraway removed from Thahir, Ta. As a result we cannot believe in the Seen(Subhan), The Pure thoughts with Clean and clear mind; the darkness clouding the mind making us grope in the dark forever, disgraced and despised.
If we are to get at the Signs of the Book Clean and Clear, we shall believe in Al Thahir.
If we are to take our life journey in the Purest path, we shall believe in Al Seen.
Save Yourselves From Allah's Test
29:2 Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?
If we do fear God's test upon us, and our wish is that His test shall not befall us, then we shall not say that we do not do; and nor would we say that which is not in our hearts truthfully. Saying openly before people that you have unshakeable faith in Allah, knowing pretty well that you do not have such faith, then you are put to test for sure; it is for one to maintain peace during the testing period and till the prescribed period is over, seeking forgiveness and endurance from Allah all through the period. Do not speak what you do not possess in your hearts; and do not speak that which you had not 'test-done' lest Allah's test should reach you for a fixed period, wherein you would stand to testify your truthfulness. Once we pass the test seeking patience and forgiveness our standards of lives are appreciably elevated, individually.
29:3 But We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars.
Quote from: drfazl on February 14, 2014, 08:42:25 AM
Ta(Thahir)
Seen(Subhan)
Ta, Seen. These are the Signs of the Qur'an and a Clear Book
Ta Seen. These are the initials of Allah the Author of Quran Ta - Thahir and Seen - Subhan
Thahir and Subhan mean: The Cleanest; The Purest. Quran means The Signs that to which one shall listen, recite, rehearse as Pure and Clear Communication, the 'Bayan' from the Most High in his soul dawns upon his mind, as he reads through the verses of the Book.
The Cleanest, The Purest. These are the Signs of Quran. If your wish is that you shall be Clean in your thoughts without confusion and chaos in mind; and that your wish is that you shall be pure in your words of communication without hypocrisy and mischief in mind, it is possible only if you are guided in thoughts and action by the God of the worlds,
Al - La - Hu, meaning Al - The, La - None, Hu- (but) He.
The None but He.
The more we believe in other than Al-la-hu, the more impure we become in our minds our thoughts are grounded from their invisible heights and we floor them flat on their faces. We make the glorious thoughts bite the dust and make them fit for the dustbins to our own peril. Our cleanliness in the mind is dirtied and with such mental derangement, we are faraway removed from Thahir, Ta. As a result we cannot believe in the Seen(Subhan), The Pure thoughts with Clean and clear mind; the darkness clouding the mind making us grope in the dark forever, disgraced and despised.
If we are to get at the Signs of the Book Clean and Clear, we shall believe in Al Thahir.
If we are to take our life journey in the Purest path, we shall believe in Al Seen.
Peace DrFazl,
The unfolding meaning of Allah makes one subjectively surrender rather than objectively Idolise.
May Al_La_Hu unfold and shower us Wisdom in ascending continuum.
Quote from: drfazl on February 14, 2014, 08:42:25 AM
it is possible only if you are guided in thoughts and action by the God of the worlds,
Al - La - Hu, meaning Al - The, La - None, Hu- (but) He. The None but He.
Peace,
There's no "but" in the word. Please explain which makes sense any language?
6:3 وهو and he الله the none he فى in السماوات the heavens وفى and in الارض the earth
6:3 وهو and he الله Allah (name e.g. John) فى in السماوات the heavens وفى and in الارض the earth
6:3 وهو and he
الله the god/deity/divinity فى in السماوات the heavens وفى and in الارض the earth
Peace dr.fazl
29:10. Many people are claiming that we have faith in allah and tht we believe in allah, such a statement we make in our day to day life. When i talk to my patients, they used to say that we also believe in allah. Despite having faith in allah why we have so much sufferings from illness. Why cant allah bless us? Why allah tests us? They even go to the extent hating the god.
49:14 The people say 'we believed in allah'. But allah says you are not following me instead you are following your own rituals. You dont have little faith in me. From your explanation i realised these are the reasons for our misery. Allah knows very well about the humans whose hearts are really filled with faith.
My question is , how to express my belief in allah when i pray to him ?
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on February 19, 2014, 07:41:30 PM
Peace,
There's no "but" in the word. Please explain which makes sense any language?
6:3 وهو and he الله the none he فى in السماوات the heavens وفى and in الارض the earth
6:3 وهو and he الله Allah (name e.g. John) فى in السماوات the heavens وفى and in الارض the earth
6:3 وهو and he الله the god/deity/divinity فى in السماوات the heavens وفى and in الارض the earth
Peace
The None, (but) He
'but' is put in the brackets.
Remove the brackets:
The None, He.
Makes even more sense too.
When you apply sense to the letters Al_La_Hu,
It is explicit; it is
The None but He.
May The Great Rum Shall Fall And Then Rise With Humility
Have you fallen from your great and enviable position? That evil feeling of greatness and position that invites, by the leave of Allah, envy and enmity from all around; and that pride in you shall have to go if you are a believer in the judgement of Allah, and when Allah sees in you an element of remembrance that fear for Him should be more than in anything of the worldly matters.
Such were the people of 'great' Rum. Allah caused the nation to suffer defeat and severe loss against their enemies while at the same time, by Allah's Grace, increasing their sense of faith and fear in Him better than ever before. And upon them follows His word of promise that they shall soon rise and shall taste a victory very near; and know that, upon that which happened before and upon that which much greater events and beautiful moments shall have to come to pass, is in the realm of Allah.
30:1 Alif Laam Meem : Alif - Allah; Laam - the None; Meem - Muthaqeen(those that fear Him). For those who fear Allah, to them there is None but Him, who would fulfil The Promise.
Stay Free From Allah's Tests!
Allah's stern admonition is that never would you say what you do not; nor would you ever say what you do not possess as the truth to yourselves, for Allah is ever watchful of all these people's heart. If he speaks out what he does not hold to his heart truthfully or what he does not do himself; Allah knows the liars and the truthful. The truthful will be handsomely rewarded for their truth and the liars would be tested; and again tested and put to test again severer than before until they stopped saying the lie.
For example, when we say we have faith in Allah or call us mumins, it means we have faith in Allah alone; and we shall never call besides Allah in all our needs, all our life. Allah knows well all these are liars; and He had un categorically revealed that most men do not believe in Allah, without keeping associations to Him. Thus self proclaimed mumins and muslims are put to maximum tests and punishments individually all their lives; and society as a whole are tested too for they as a society call them mumins and muslims. Such tests and disgrace upon 'mumins and muslims' would continue until such time they become humble before Allah and seek forgiveness from Him and pleading with Him to make them mumins and muslims.
'mumins and muslims!' Save your lives both in this world and in the life next by not claiming you to be a mumin or a muslim, advancing before Allah who would make you a Muslim upon His satisfaction that you behaved well as a Mumin. Have well rewarded lives in both the worlds. From this moment Mumins and Muslims would never face disgrace and torment from the rejecters, say Christians, 'muslims', Hindus, and Jews. Allah would put us on top of the world by rewarding us with wisdom so that Mumins would bring to world many many newer and finest of inventions for better human living, unlike the present scientific inventions of utter destruction, that which Allah had allowed for the rejecters.
29:2,3 Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried? And certainly We tried those before them, so Allah will certainly know those who are true and He will certainly know the liars.
All praises is due to Allah for blessing you, DrFazl, with such wisdom. Beautifully written. God bless.
Step Upon The Skies And The Earth
And Be Perched Upon The Arsh
30:8 Do they not reflect within themselves: Allah did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them two but with truth, and for an appointed term? And most surely most of the people belie the meeting of their Lord.
Every thing from the seven skies above us and all the things from the skies down to earth have been reflecting their willing servitude to the mind of the man, all the time. This reflection is the constant inducement and feeding to the well receiving minds of the people who believe that they would meet with their God, for their life embracing the Truth of the seven skies and the earth with reference to our heavenly life on this earth and in the seven skies above.
What is in the skies and in the earth is immeasurable bounties of treasures in absolute invisibility to the human knowledge, intelligence and intellectual capacity. The hidden treasures are constantly fed to the heart of man as Wish of the Wisdom, from the God of the worlds and at the same time as admonitions and warnings that which are gathering momentum towards are against us as good or bad omen. What Allah had intended on us has been given as orders to the heavens and the earth and the same is reflected to our minds. Having caused the reflection upon our minds, either one feels peaceful or apprehends as strange bad omen to befall them. Those who have peaceful mind are the ones who believed in meeting with their God; and those who constantly anxious, hovering over them is the bad omen. And these are the people who belied meeting their God for the evils they habitually were involved in. Upon them would the heavens and the earth come down while they feat expecting evil. The heavens and the earth and everything between them only await a word "Be", from the God of the Worlds, Allah. Stay far away from those who belie meeting with Allah, lest you should too fall a prey to the Hour of Doom destined for the rejecters. Fear Allah and await the time when you shall be perched upon the Arsh. This is the Grand Victory.
42:22 You will see the wrongdoers fearful of what they have earned, and it will certainly befall them.
Quote from: drfazl on March 04, 2014, 07:17:34 AM
Step Upon The Skies And The Earth
And Be Perched Upon The Arsh
30:8 Do they not reflect within themselves: Allah did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them two but with truth, and for an appointed term? And most surely most of the people belie the meeting of their Lord.
Every thing from the seven skies above us and all the things from the skies down to earth have been reflecting their willing servitude to the mind of the man, all the time. This reflection is the constant inducement and feeding to the well receiving minds of the people who believe that they would meet with their God, for their life embracing the Truth of the seven skies and the earth with reference to our heavenly life on this earth and in the seven skies above.
What is in the skies and in the earth is immeasurable bounties of treasures in absolute invisibility to the human knowledge, intelligence and intellectual capacity. The hidden treasures are constantly fed to the heart of man as Wish of the Wisdom, from the God of the worlds and at the same time as admonitions and warnings that which are gathering momentum towards are against us as good or bad omen. What Allah had intended on us has been given as orders to the heavens and the earth and the same is reflected to our minds. Having caused the reflection upon our minds, either one feels peaceful or apprehends as strange bad omen to befall them. Those who have peaceful mind are the ones who believed in meeting with their God; and those who constantly anxious, hovering over them is the bad omen. And these are the people who belied meeting their God for the evils they habitually were involved in. Upon them would the heavens and the earth come down while they feat expecting evil. The heavens and the earth and everything between them only await a word "Be", from the God of the Worlds, Allah. Stay far away from those who belie meeting with Allah, lest you should too fall a prey to the Hour of Doom destined for the rejecters. Fear Allah and await the time when you shall be perched upon the Arsh. This is the Grand Victory.
42:22 You will see the wrongdoers fearful of what they have earned, and it will certainly befall them.
Fear Allah and await the time when you shall be perched upon the Arsh. This is the Grand Victory.Amin. All Praise to Lord. Our Prayer is "Oh Lord Increase us the Inner Fear and Guide us to Grand Victory"
Who Are The Women?
The verse 2:233 speaks of the honour Allah had bestowed on women. They are your very fertile, and cultivation land that produce good and goods to mankind. They are kind hearted, forgiving, merciful, feeding, considerate, patient and God fearing and having such other qualities endowed upon them by God of His greatness. They cultivate men's behaviour; put men's mind in order; they tolerate all men's nonsenses they forgive them; they have mercy for them and they feed them too. All good culture arise from the cultivable land, the heart of women.
So when you approach the women of your household for anything fear God that you shall not have any unjust feeling towards them; not could you speak to them with anger; nor could you be hastening them in any good they do for you. Honour the women of your household when you speak to them; and always speak kind words to them in show of your gratitude to God.
Come before your women with pleasant heart; never order them but request of them for all help you need from them. Fear God if you fail to behave with them in this manner because of your arrogance and evil in your mind against them. Most assuredly men had to meet with their God regarding the way they behaved with their women folk
This is good omen for those who believe in the admonition of Allah and abide by His Command.
2:233 Your women - they cultivate the household; hence for your own good, come before them honourably and send forth pleasantness; fear God and know that surely you would meet with Him regarding. And it is glad tiding for those who believe civility.
Peace,
True. Civility is reflected from the believers. Civilization starts from believing men and women .
I accept Dr. Honouring women starts civility.
Peace.
ApologiseQuote from: drfazl on March 04, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
Who Are The Women?
The verse 2:233 speaks of the honour Allah had bestowed on women. They are your very fertile, and cultivation land that produce good and goods to mankind. They are kind hearted, forgiving, merciful, feeding, considerate, patient and God fearing and having such other qualities endowed upon them by God of His greatness. They cultivate men's behaviour; put men's mind in order; they tolerate all men's nonsenses they forgive them; they have mercy for them and they feed them too. All good culture arise from the cultivable land, the heart of women.
So when you approach the women of your household for anything fear God that you shall not have any unjust feeling towards them; not could you speak to them with anger; nor could you be hastening them in any good they do for you. Honour the women of your household when you speak to them; and always speak kind words to them in show of your gratitude to God.
Come before your women with pleasant heart; never order them but request of them for all help you need from them. Fear God if you fail to behave with them in this manner because of your arrogance and evil in your mind against them. Most assuredly men had to meet with their God regarding the way they behaved with their women folk
This is good omen for those who believe in the admonition of Allah and abide by His Command.
2:223 Your women - they cultivate the household; hence for your own good, come before them honourably and send forth pleasantness; fear God and know that surely you would meet with Him regarding. And it is glad tiding for those who believe civility.
Peace all,
I apologise for misquoting the aayat number as 2:233. The ayat is 2:223
Peace dr.fazl,
9:71 & 72. In these ayats allah mentions that believing men and women are the ideal couples. Only these people can do good things to the world and remove the bad things from their life. For this family allah's mercy is showered upon them. Allah is satisfied only about them and that is the greatest victory. Allah promises heaven and ever lasting rivers flow beneath them.
Quote from: drfazl on January 17, 2013, 12:52:22 AM
20:1 Ta Ha: The Initials of Allah
Allah has stamped His initials before the chapter starts.
Ta: Tahir - The Most Pure
Ha: Hudha - The Guide.
Allah Gives His Guidance to him who strives to be Pure.
Here is The Guidance from the Most Pure.
20:2 We have not sent down this Quran unto you to cause difficulty.
People generally feel Quran is difficult to understand and even more so to put whatever they had understood into practice. Allah says He would Guide those who strive to be pure in their heart without recourse to evil ways; and make them course through any demanding situation in the easiest possible manner to the hardest way according to the efforts each one has put to stay pure for Allah without associating partners to Him. If you ask for explanation to an ayat only from Him, the answer comes from your own natural self. Now it is easy for you to practice the ayats in your day to day life. But when an explanation to any particular ayat is got from someone else, know for sure it is not from your own self but from another man's nature which is suitable only for his nature to put it into practice and surely it is the hardest guidance for you for reason it is not your self.
Quran's ayats are suitable for all times, for all men, for all situations, to each person, for all good purposes, and for all persons during each one's varying moods. Thus every ayat is highly individualised to every person throughout his life in his varying moods and situations. Only Allah knows how to deal with such of one's each situation, throughout his life. And hence, seek the guidance from Allah direct, when you recite on ayat, since Allah sends down the revelation to one and all from each one's own natural self which alone shall be easy for a person to practice, individually, all his life. Thus if there are 7 billion people in the world, any single ayat will give 7 billion different variants of a revelation by the moment, and yet, each variant shall not contradict the principal revelation of an ayat. In this way even if the whole sea could be ink and seven more seas are added to it still they would dry up before Allah's words to any single ayat could be completed.
I hope you don't mind me commenting on old posts and topics, but this quote is fantastic and an absolute pleasure to read.
Reading brilliant posts like this deepens my faith a hundredfold.
Thank you so much.
Be with the Creator
Or get lost from the Creator
Allah has all the ways for anything and everything; He creates in the way unknown to man. All He has to say to a thing when he intends it is 'Be' and it is. There is a time for each of His intended thing to develop into a visible living form and shape; or into a lively invisible entity. Allah is All Knowing; Wise.
Here is an example from Allah to give us a glance of, in how many ways He could create you at a glimpse of that glance. He created you from nothing; He created you from dust; He created you from a drop; He created you from the blood clot; He created you from formed and unformed muscles and tissues. These are but samples to know Allah's creative powers from which one shall know as he deepens in his pondering. He is the bringer of things from nothing and the bringer of nothing from the things; and bringer of life from the dead and the dead from the living. He creates in one way and recreates in another way; and creates in the form and formlessness and in the way He intends.
22:5 O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you.
These above mentioned things seem as different stages of the process of human creation. But what people with wisdom shall understand is Allah is capable of creating anything from anything and He is competent over all things. He could make a staff into a serpent; make the sea cleave into two mountainous portion leaving a dry land in between; He could make stone melting into 12 bifurcating river streams like a cloud could burst into downpours.
Allah creates in the first instance and recreates the latter progenies in the way he intends.
29:20 Say, "Have a glimpse around you and observe how He began the creation. Then Allah repeats the latter creation. Indeed Allah , over all things, is competent."
Allah has all the ways with Him; all you have to do when an intention from Him reaches your RUH through His Wahy, entrust it with Him and thereafter forget the wish that dawned upon you from His wahy, and go about your chores. Do not try to give a form and shape using imagination and conjecture. If you do so, then your wish becomes your desirable object not intended by Allah. You shall not receive Allah's help in any manner all the time you chase your imageries which would finally avail you naught. The thing you had created would not help you; neither would it protect you; for they are lifeless. On the other hand the wish He had planted in you earlier to your imagination into an object was full of life, obediently submissive to you for life and would have been at your command by the leave of Allah.
So stay away from conjecturing into idols and follow the idols which in essence is idol worshiping. Allah rejects us then and there and leave us to our own disaster. This is the life of most people on earth following idol worshiping.
Quote from: in_awe on March 06, 2014, 02:58:10 PM
I hope you don't mind me commenting on old posts and topics, but this quote is fantastic and an absolute pleasure to read.
Reading brilliant posts like this deepens my faith a hundredfold.
Thank you so much.
Peace in_awe,
If you had understood this clearly the explanation given for Ta Ha, it is clear indication that before even you read my post you had the same explanation in mind that which is fortified on reading the same.
I am sorry for my late response. May God guide us all.
Quote from: drfazl on March 17, 2014, 07:37:49 AM
Peace in_awe,
If you had understood this clearly the explanation given for Ta Ha, it is clear indication that before even you read my post you had the same explanation in mind that which is fortified on reading the same.
I am sorry for my late response. May God guide us all.
drfazl
Yes, I believe this to be so. So many times in my life, things I have had in my mind have been fortified when the knowledge eventually comes at a later date.
This is no mere coincidence. It is God's way of communicating.
Don't worry about the late response, I appreciate your comments and knowledge.
May God bless you.
Quote from: in_awe on March 17, 2014, 03:10:03 PM
drfazl
Yes, I believe this to be so. So many times in my life, things I have had in my mind have been fortified when the knowledge eventually comes at a later date.
This is no mere coincidence. It is God's way of communicating.
Don't worry about the late response, I appreciate your comments and knowledge.
May God bless you.
It is God's way of communicating.
True
Peace
Man, The Captain Of The Arsh: The Ship
Do you not see that ship sail through the sea by Allah's Grace that He may show you His signs? Indeed in this are signs for everyone well-composed and considerate. 31:31
This is the ayat or Sign from only Allah for those who show restraint in times of agitation of mind without losing balance, maintaining serenity in the mind by observing patience because they use their criterion and choose the best answer thereof. This is because they follow only the guidance from Allah by remembering Him more and more for every good reward from Him with gratitude and humility, casting away the pride, the worst endowment from shaitan.
Here Allah mentions the Ship. What is the ship?
A vessel that navigates us safely, through the deep sea and rough weather that demands patience and that which consumes its own time.
The ship is never disaster-free without fear of God and prayer before embarking upon it and fearing Him all the way, during the journey until you reach destination.We end our voyage successfully not only with the overt anxiousness and the covert fear but also at the same time with deeper prayer, consciously or unconsciously as we enter far into the sea.
Unlike on the land where you make smooth road for your comfortable travel, the sea is made safe at God's command, for your travel, by the smooth flowing wind in the direction of the travel. All human knowledge is ignorant and dead in this forefront. Humans, with their ugly knowledge are unfit to travel without fear of and prostrating before God, accepting their imbecility. This humility and surrender before your God, Allah, take you to the shore safely, with a fresh breath of air. Even on the most safe roads you had made for your journey through the land, worst accidents do occur at the hands of most efficient drivers. All your safest journeys all your life thus far, is not because of the efficiency of the drivers, pilots and captains but because of the unknown fear working deep in your hearts as passengers; and that which has been in the hearts of the navigators of the vehicles as well. If Allah sees not a single soul in the entire ship travelling on the land, or in the air, or on the sea, without the escape of a single soul all will be wiped out as if they had never lived before on the surface of the earth. MH370 air ship is a classic example of the present times. How disgraced is the human scientific knowledge! Verily, Allah has power over all things. Fear Allah over your knowledge.
Our journey through our life in this universe is like a ship in the sea, or a vehicle on the road, or a ship in the air bound for mishaps at an appointed Hour; unless you have fear for Him without the arrogance of the modern-age garbage knowledge of science of the ever backward, and all time lower understanding from the so called stone-age state of splendorous wisdom we aught to regress to the Hour of damning doom. The admonition from Allah is that you will be seized with utmost distress while you are travelling; there is no protection but for Him; and you shall not find a helper thereat. If you can reminisce those occasions wherein your life was saved at a hair thin gap from major accidents you would know Who saved you. Fear God, for your life in this world is like a ship caught in the turmoil of the deep sea.
On the land and in the oceans were the chaos and evil caused because of what the hands of men had earned; and of which Allah makes them taste a little. 30:41
It is Allah who dignified the descendants of Adam, the man; and it is He who carries them in the land and in the sea and graced them with goodly provision. And we placed them much higher than the most things We had created 17:70
Now as we are plunging headlong from the heavenly wisdom to the ground zero with the earthy scientific knowledge of the 21st century, the wisdom and the straight path for the heavenly future is far away removed, from the proud and the arrogant lot. Such of these would be ever grounded as long as they live and buried deep until they are raised up again to meet the dooms day, the promise of the God of the worlds.
Fear God for the morrow and look only up to Him for the Guidance Righteous, that descend upon us, as wisdom bounteous. Our entire life's journey is to gain this treasure, beyond measure with the help of the God of the universes; the entire universe is like a ship in the space. By rejecting the Wisdom of unseen treasure, by strongly believing in the visible power of the destructive science we invite upon us the wrath of Allah starting in this world itself; and the nature from skies down to earth is set on us with no mercy and with utmost fury. Like a ship in the sea caught in the tumult from below, from above and from all its sides causing great distress until they all die. Our life's journey shall not be caught from above down and from all around with catastrophes unknown to us. The people of the entire world are already gripped with the evil force possessing our minds, causing great destruction to the soul of man. Every other child is born with the defects of parents as parental destructive mind set; many children are born psychotic with ill frame of mind, autism, hyperactive disorders and severely stunted higher faculty.
Let us get this to our mind: Allah's grace is filled in our RUH or soul as we are breathed in our first breath. This RUH is full of Power and Wisdom to guide us in the righteousness throughout our lives so that we shall neither fear nor grieve. The more we fear God with reference to our future we sail through in the vastness of spacious space-ship, perched on top of the universe, as navigating captain of the Ship i.e, the Arsh, the Man, by the leave of Allah.
Turn to God and Sail; or Drown!
31:32 And when mountains like waves cover them from all around they call upon Allah, with pure devotion; but when He brings them safe to the land, some of them follow the solemn course; and none denies Our signs but every perfidious, ungrateful one.
Note: This verse seems to apply to the disastrous situations happening during our journey into the sea; but any verse of the Book is applicable to all walks of life and hence this verse should be viewed as: our life is like a journey on the sea all through our lives from birth to death. On the sea each one is his own; none shall be able to help another nor shall they be able to seek help and protection from the people from anywhere in the world. Each one is all alone despite there are hundreds of people on board the ship. Likewise even when there are billions of people all over the world none could help or protect another when they are surrounded by the waves of worries and sorrows come from all around them. We commonly use such words as: He is drowned in worry; drowned in sorrow; drowned in grief; he is thunder struck; waves of emotions have engulfed him and so on. Allah likens our lives in this world is like sailing in the deep sea all alone as the best of examples; this gives us clear message how all your associations to the One God, would be null and void when a dangerous situation come to pass; so fear Him and supplicate Allah alone without having any association in mind for help, nor for protection other than Him.
There is not a part of a day that passes without the waves of worry, fear or sorrow that strike our mind like bolts from blue. We are sailing alone in the ship; there is none to deliver us from the grips of these emotions that give us a feel that the life has almost ended drowned in such hell of feelings. On such occasions we call upon God alone knowing well that there is none but He, as our ultimate refuge. And because of our pure devotion to God without association or disgrace to Him, He delivers us safely and make our journey smooth and moves our ships forward, in the pleasant calmness of the lovely breeze that He sends as good news.
Yet, no sooner than that, we began associating partners to Him, inviting more severe punishment from in the days to come. Let us be aware and be reminded all the time that we shall not commit the gravest of all crimes and sins - associating partners to God and equating to God all the meanest knowledge of man and things on earth and in the skies, which act makes us perfidious and ungrateful to Allah.
Fear for God Saves Us For Good
O Men! Fear your God and have fear of the day, when father will not avail his son in aught; nor the son shall avail aught to his father. Allah's admonition is true. Let not the life of this world deceive you; and let not him who deceives, deceive you about Allah. 31:33
Note: Allah sends warning to all mankind it is time that all families sought refuge only in Allah singly and individually for outstandingly distress free life in this world without the help of one another, failing which a very miserable life would start on a day, affecting the family members when none can help another. This is because these were the very people who took God's responsibility upon themselves to save the lives of their family members, despite knowing the Truth: when Allah touches you with adversities none can remove it but He 6:17.
The diseases and adversities we suffer is due to our unforgivable sin of associating doctors to God, and taking recourse to the path of evil, straying away from God's straight path of seeking refuge in Him alone. From this moment let not the deceiving doctors and the demons deceive you about God. Beware this world is full of evil deception.
"The Best of All Time Future Is Awaiting, if only you believe and follow Allah alone."
22 : 13 He calls on him whose evil is nearer than his good; verily evil is the protector and verily an evil friend!
Worry, anxiety and fear is worn on the face of each individual, a reflection of the evil he has collected in his mind with regard to his future. While Allah's words of promise is there in the RUH of each person as good omen, he does not believe in it for he sees it as things of wealth and places that which are his knowledge, gained through all his life in the past. What men possess as material knowledge is from the graveyard i.e, from the dead-past. They could believe only what their external senses such as eyes, ears, touch, taste, smell had projected to and registered in their mind from all the visible sources and objects. These are the so called educated society or the cream society; and they have their exclusive pride in this which arrogance made them lean on to the literally, real-time, material world of fun fare. They have no knowledge regarding the future except the dead knowledge of the past. Such rejecters' present life with respect to the morrow is trial and error, thus faltering and suffering continually all their lives. The promise of Allah, "The Best of All Time Future Is Awaiting, if only you believe and follow Me alone."
Because they view Allah also as some material form unknown to our senses, they should stay as rejecters and stay blind and deaf to the call of Allah's Promise; for they shall never be able to get a broad view and understanding but to give material forms and shapes to each and every word of the promise of Allah, which in effect is absolutely abstract: "The Best of All Time Future Is Awaiting, if only you believe in Me; and follow Me alone." Therefore the rejecters fall from the grace of their higher souls to their smash-hit brainy levels. Only here enters the scientific methodology of the rejecters: the trial and error. After erring they grope further in the dark searching and 'researching', finally picking up a debris called innovation or invention. This is entirely opposite to that which Allah had promised them as pristine Creation from Him, the Creator.
The scientific researchers et al, boast on their material, lifeless inventions with pride, over Allah's Lively Creation of His promises, ever to blossom. These are the deadly people with their deadly knowledge, with their Nukes. Verily they had embraced the evil showing their backs to the good and graceful future, full of splendour.
The Six Periods
32:4 It is Allah who created the skies and the earth and whatever is between them in six periods; then He established Himself above the Throne. You have not besides Him any protector or any intercessor; so will you not be reminded?
First Allah created the earth in four periods; and then the skies into sever firmaments in two periods. Meanwhile the whole space is filled up with His command and life force that should stand in all readiness to respond very favourable to man, when he, to be the guest of honour upon the earth - Wishes for him the Will sent down upon him, by Allah. When such Will is intended all He has to say to it is 'Be' and it is.
When Allah intends His command upon His bondsman whom He pleases with a 'Be', 'It Is' then and there; and the sense of it is to be gathered as follows: He has intended to create the thing by recreating the entire world exclusively for the bondsman whom He pleases with. None can see this world created for the person intended. None can stop the bestow upon him by the exclusive world nor would anyone usurp away anything from him. They would all be living in the paradise of their own for they are the ones who stood their ground during the testing periods and stood by Allah, saying: He, the One and the Only.
The testing periods for the bondsmen are the Six Periods in which their world is to be created; first Allah creates for them the ground in four periods showing His Signs for him to see in awe, with wide open eyes that His Truth is omnipotently prevalent wherever they are placed. They are made to live in such graceful life full of His Signs or in the blessings of His Ayats for four periods from the time of his birth. It is about the time the man reaches the attainment of four decades of age. Whoever shows gratitude to Allah by ever strengthening his belief in Him and becomes obedient and humble before His command and unfailingly adhere to His Will, it is then Allah creates the seven skies above him in the next two periods to protect the reward granted to him and the believing people that surround him and to grace them all with His bounties. These are the nations of Allah; and for them are the exclusive worlds in both the lives; for them there is no worry, nor fear in this world and the world next.
Always seek from Allah, the patience in whatever Wish we receive and possess from the Will of Allah, so that we course through the six periods in which period each one's exclusive world is created when we put our trust in Him alone. All Glory Be To Allah, The God of The Skies And The Earth; May Allah Bless and Guide Us All.
Belief In The Malayikas, The Angels
To Be A Mumin, A Believer
The very important of the pre-requisites to be a mumin is to believe in the angels designated to each of us, while believing in Allah and the Last day.2:177 Believing in Allah means from the birth until we meet our angel, designated individually to each of us who captures our soul, it is the responsibility of the Supreme Helper and the Protector, the Creator of the Worlds who would conduct our lives free of worries and fear. Therefore not taking away His responsibilities from His safe hands upon ourselves, is the foremost a mumin shall hold and guard reverently in his soul. This is dignifying Allah. All glory be to Him.
Say, "It is the angel designated on you to capture the soul will capture you. Then to your God you will be returned."
And there are many more angels despatched to us in three times thousands and in five times thousands. Their job is to guide us and protect us from the evils of the jinns and from their accomplices in the men by the command of Allah. And how many an angel that Allah had created for us in the skies and in the earth about us 53:26. Unless Allah is pleased with us, none of these angels' pleading with Allah on our behalf would avail us a thing.
Whither Is My Journey?
"Had We so Willed We would have given each their revered way. But there has gone forth from Me My admonition: I would certainly fill up the hell with Jinn and men all together."
Here in this verse Allah clearly tells us: only if you turn to Me alone for the Guidance I will show the heavenly way starting from this worldly life itself. Therefore turn to Me soulfully; and Believe in Me and totally surrender; then you are upon the honourable way. But if you Jinn and Men, reject Me and turn away associating ways besides Mine, you would be shown the way to hell starting from this worldly life itself.
O Jinn and Men, My destined path to each is Distinguished, Unique and Individualised; and I have created you as individuals and not as collective herds. Do not follow the other people's ways in this worldly life. The Sign that shall warn you that you had deviated from My path is the creeping in of the fear and worry with its unfamiliar deep-seated depression. All walks of life follow others' ways in groups such as: professionals and money earners. If you follow My path, then earn My Grace! Turn to Me individually.
To know for sure ourselves whether we are on the righteous path, observe the peace in your heart. Increasing calmness in it shows your latter life is getting better and more beautiful than before. But to the contrary, if you feel your heart is not at ease and is growingly getting uncomfortable with fear and worry about your future, then you can be sure your life is getting worse and hell bound.
"You will see the wrongdoers fearful of what they have earned, and it will certainly befall them. And those who have believed and done righteous deeds will be in lush regions of the gardens in Paradise having whatever they will in the presence of their Lord. That is what is the great bounty."
Would You Live By The Moment ?
Or Would You Live By 50,000 Years ?
The heavens and the earth and everything in between is made subservient to man i.e. to every individual by which Allah asserts that each individual has his own world above him, below him and surrounding him the extent of which is that which he encompasses with all his God given wisdom believing in it totally, without the element of rejection.
Allah infuses into His Ruh constantly breathing into the breasts of each man during his inspiratory phase of respiration from his birth to death, the Will He ordains upon each of the billions of people, as Inspiration. When a person inspires during each inspiration, he is Inspired with the Will of Allah such beautiful things, studded as heartfelt wishes necessary for his entire life ahead till the end. And the new world begins to shape up for the individuals' wishes respectively, discreetly accessible to each of them. Al he has to do is to believe without rejection based on his physical worldly system of knowledge that which would perish with all the formed things from the skies to the earth.
He creates for each of the believers the ground to stabilise them upon the bounties God had provided them - with reverence and gratitude that would spread well over 4 periods or 4 decades; and then there are 2 more periods or decades in which God sets right all his affairs above such believers in his skies above; and from his skies down to his earth descends traversing through all the nature's hidden treasures and riches in wisdom, intuiting and teaching him constantly in every inspiration all through his life, as to how to handle every bounty in each of the believers' world exclusively created for him. There are the appointed malayika safeguarding and conducting the bounties through intuition towards the needs of each of us, the believers.
And finally when each of the bounties had been taught by the will of Allah in 6 periods or decades everything from skies down to earth fall prostrate before each of the believers and the malayika surround them in obedience willingly by the Will of Allah.
Then turned He to the heaven filled with liveliness , and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or hatefully. They said: We come, subservient. 41:11
And when that wholesome moment arrives upon a chosen believer, his life is received by the malayikas with 'Salam' and every single moment from that point onwards is ascent for them in the company of the malayikas whose liveliness of living is high above all the good things one would experience in bits and pieces; here and there sparsely spread over a thousand hardest years of his life, living leaning only on to this physical system of worldly things as rejecters. It may spread over a period of 50,000 years and over too, depending upon the measure of your rejection of the wisdom intuited by Allah, and the measure of pride leaning on to the material world of systemic self destructible knowledge.
He sets right each matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.
The Malayika and the Ruh will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.
Castaway to Dignity to Castaway
And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel. 32:23
Musa:
He is the chosen prophet, the messenger and the leader of the oppressed society, the Israelites in the Kingdom of Fir'aun. He was chosen and shown the signs for the sake of his people to enable their hearts to believe in the Unseen God and in every wish granted to them of the knowledge, unknown to them. To impart such unknown knowledge and the unseen wisdom to the hearts of the humble, patient and enduring believers in the Almighty power is the Grant of the Book, the Veda. Musa was chosen to receive the Book for his people to make them believe in the unseen Wish bestowed upon their hearts.
And when they endured and believed firmly in Our revealed wisdom, We appointed from among them leaders who guided by Our command. 32:24
The children of Israel:
These were the people that were cruelly oppressed and persecuted; and as a community aggressively transgressed upon for decades and generations by Fir'aun, the racially dominant leader of the affluent upper caste. Allah is compassionate and merciful upon such community that are aggressed upon and with utmost contempt, even as they were humbled to extraordinary patience. Therefore Allah sends down upon them, the endurance as a Grace from Him, and from Him
the wisdom to believe in the 'Unseen Being' of the Mighty Power. The grant of such wisdom is benevolent blessing and an empowerment from Allah to those who endured oppression until their testing period was over. For the endurance for Allah's sake is the best of all good deeds. The Wisdom is the ample reward, most viable against every inimical force open or secret. They become the chosen people for the rest of the world to guide them in Believing in the existence of the Unseen Power. Powerful nine signs of the Unseen are shown to the children or the descendants of Israel, through Musa, to make his believe with sense, substance and strength - whatever their hearts are infused with as wish-unseen, and their need for comfortable life free of all physical efforts. With this wishful wisdom the Israelites became the founders of invention and the inventive modern world.
Notwithstanding the Israelites knew they were raised and made to ascend on the throne of the Unseen Power through the Wisdom granted by the Mercy of Allah, from their lowly despised life and as castaway society by Fir'aun, they became proud with such audacity and ingratitude towards Allah, they became the worst of all evil forces in the world creating all-round mischief and causing blood shed in every piece of land on the earth. The whole world is facing the aggression of this believers turned rejecters - now believers in only the invisible tantric evil forces hatching out every plot against human nations to squander every inch of the physical wealth of their lands. The period for the Israelites is ticking away now for the second and final castaway life that would surround them and shroud them until the end of the world.
And We had made known to the children of Israel in the Book: Most certainly you will make mischief in the land twice, and most certainly you will behave as haughty tyrants. 17:4
Had the Israelites followed their God and guarded them from their evil ways with the Wisdom granted to them i.e their ability to believe in the Unseen Wish bestowed upon their hearts, this world would have seen the nature's paradise here, by which the nations would have merged into one populace, praising the Name of Allah, the Master of the Universe. But with their modern inventive physical science they had lowered their wisdom to knowledge thus casting woes upon themselves for their final abyss.
Follow the Most Wise
And Not your Enterprise
33:1
O Prophet, fear Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Indeed, Allah is All Knowing, Wise.
According to the Revelation Allah reveals that the Prophets lived a life guarding them from going against His Will; and they always feared fault on their part for having disobeyed their RUH wherein is the Wish of Allah. His Wish upon the RUH of every man is: he who believes in Allah and the Last Day, shall never worry nor should they fear; and grief will not cover them.
But the disbelievers having rejected the help and protection of Allah and having failed to remember pleading with Him for easiness in all their lives with peaceful mind, they started believing in self confidence and in their own hard efforts - thus associating themselves to Allah and assigning them to, and assigning to them every profit and success of their future. They know well they would never know what they are to earn in their future for all their efforts except God; yet they reject the warning from The Almighty; and put in their efforts to show off their brazen affront against All Knowing, Wise. These are the hypocrites; they know in their hearts they are always in need of God's help and protection; but outwardly they are proud to deny it. For them is the painful torment in this world; and in the world next, hell is their abode wherein they abide.This is because they followed their pride and the call of the evil whispers of jinns and men.
O Believers, we are clearly not of these hypocritical people; we put our trust in Allah for all good things shall have to come from Him and of His Will. Leave all your matters of sadness with Allah; and with Peace Endowed Mind as a result, free yourself of the worry and anxiousness. Observe patience strengthening your belief in Allah seeking the same from Him alone, the One Who Shapes each creation made subservient to you, to fit into you in the best of the modules. When the wisdom of it comes to you with peace and bliss that is the day you are going to live a life like in heaven in this world itself. We shall follow the All Knowing, Wise, without working our enterprise.
Never worry; nor be anxious if you Fear Allah Alone.
33:1
O Prophet, Fear Allah alone! And never obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Fear Allah alone!
In every breath of our life, we are infused in our breasts with the Inspiration of Allah for a new life for that moment and from that moment onwards; every air and breeze that we breathe in brings to our souls the admonitions of good news and warnings from God. Those who are constant in the remembrance of Allah receive such message with fear and anxiety, for a true striver in the path of Salam with God, knows well in his heart, he is not free from the lowly desires and dishonesty. And they always have a sense of fear if God had ever forgiven them. They shall know God is Ever Forgiving and if they doubt about His Mercy and Kindness towards humans while we remember Him with fear even when self- indulging in sins due to our weaknesses such as pride, lewdness, lowly desires, setting up partners to Him, believing in money and business high above the grace and mercy of Allah, always following the majority people, short tempers, vying and competing with the fellow people with jealousy, conspiracies, backbiting and what not!
Any one who believes in Allah's Mercy, Grace, Forgiveness, Gentleness, Kindness, Affection, Patience, Ampleness; and believes in His Help and Protection of our mind from all our satanic-evils mentioned above, He is a true Mumin. Such Mumins not only believe in Allah but at the same time they always fear Allah, until such time they overcome such mental defects. Allah is with those who fear Him. It is because of these Truthful words of Allah, we are to a great extent living in this world with certain levels of freedom of the mind from worry and anxiety about our future. And striving Mumins are thus well protected by Allah and made to sail without much of a turbulence, in the sea of disbelievers who are possessed with the same evil mentioned above. The only difference between the believers and disbelievers is that while the believers are constant in the remembrance of Allah and fear for Him the disbelievers do not remember God or have fear for Him.
drfazl
Fear Allah, lest...
33:1 O Prophet, Fear only
Allah; and do not obey the disbelievers and tartufe; verily Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Allah in Quran refers to the Creator and Ruler of the seven skies and the earth and everything in between which are working by the moment, for the man for what he has earned in the past in pride; and what he has been earning in arrogance, and what he should be rewarded with for all he has in his mind still - evil or otherwise, individually.
Allah sends down upon us His Inspiration as His glad tidings and warnings in every breath of us that fills up our entire breast. This Wahy or Inspiration is a feel of Truth or Wisdom and thus unseen in nature. Not only that; it is unheard of and unknown to the mind, thus the message that the wahy has in it is unfamiliar and outlandish to encompass and comprehend linking them with all the seven firmaments above and the earth and everything in between them inclusive,- with the down to earth vanities of words and varieties of imaginary knowledge sans wisdom, the Touch of Allah. A knowledgeable person who reads a lot and who is proud that he gathers a lot becomes reduced like worms, the bookworms. All bookworms are proud of their ability to read and gather worlds of knowledge, only to become bubble burst during testing times in their lives. This is because they rejected the Truth in their hearts which was holding the wahy of admonition for a definite period until such time it decoded itself by the leave of Allah from the unseen nature to the real suffering once or twice in year without fail, a challenging period of test in one form or other making us to turn to Allah for help.
9:126 Do they not see that they are tried every year once or twice but then they do not repent nor do they remember?
Turning to Allah means, we should call out to Him by His Names:
O the Creator, make me ascend to the Throne of the skies and the earth and everything you had created in between; You have truthfully created man as the best of all creations. You taught Adam, the first ever mankind, everything, perching the mankind upon the Throne.
O the Wise, increase me in my Wisdom and elevate me above all the things you had created from the skies to the earth.
O the Unseen, teach me of the unseen, of the unheard of and of the unknown to the entire mankind to come with their knowledge.
O the Oft-Forgiving, May You show the Most Patience on me; and forever be Kind to me, O the Most Merciful and Kind.
O The Provider, feed me with a goodly provision and Spacious living in the Gardens of fruits and shades and rivers and fountains. You are the Ample Giving.
O The Sustainer, keep in the sustained elevation to the Throne and enliven me with a power from You, all the time, gaining power over all the creations, by Your leave.
O The Omnipresence, bestow me patience so that You shall be ever with me and thus I am with You and in the fold and hold of the power of Omnipresence.
O the Guide, Guide me away from the majority worldly people and their knowledge and from their vain pride and Grace me with uniquely living life; and create a new world exclusively for me wherein is no jungles but paradises; no dogs, pigs, monkeys and wild animals but birds and cattle; no shaitans but malayikas; no knowledge shall prevail but Wisdom; no pride but humility and peace and where all Praise for you is filled up in the space with which I breathe without ever failing to remember your Glory.
O the Bestower of Belief, O the Mumin, O the Teacher, teach us Iman and Greet us with Salam and Receive our Souls as Muslims.
O Men, when you turn to Allah and call upon Allah, Remember Him, His Names more and more and ascend on the Throne by His leave, each time you get over your testing periods once or twice a year. Pass through the two semesters a year without associating and using your knowledge and the help of the people's knowledge, their pride. Let your mind become comfortable with the Omniscience and stand stamping upon the manic-science of all men's knowhow.
33:1 Fear only Allah! Do not fail to remember Allah in your every breath and fall to knowledge of all visible knowledge; Allah wants you to be a believer in the Unseen Wisdom by being with the Omnipotent, Omnipresence and Omniscience through Patient Reminiscences that makes you show Gratitude to the Almighty. Allah is well-pleased with those who fear Him and show gratitude to Him. Fear Allah lest you shall not fall to the debris of disgrace and dishonour.
Fear Only Allah 33:1
Continuation to the previous post:
When we seek in prayer before Allah, unless we remember of His Names that which are essential for us to obey and follow at that particular time, our prayers are not to be answered. This is the reason why most so called believers' prayers are not answered when they suffer ill-health, and as a result of which the believers become disbelievers; and they take the mantle upon themselves, under the guise of use of our own 'god given' knowledge, and put in maximum efforts from ourselves first and then believe in Allah's help and protection, till the last until our hopes are crashed and we are crestfallen, meeting our doom. All the while, they associated their knowledge and the majority ways of the people first, pushing soulful belief in Allah to the last moments when they see that is the end of their lives, having lost all hopes of cure from their diseases. Though they are surviving, they are already dead and are not living beings.
16:21 They are dead, not living. And they know not when they will be raised. Your Allah is One Allah. But as for those who do not believe in the life after such death their hearts refuse to obey, for they are proud. 16:22
Notwithstanding, the deserted men claim they believed in Allah, to who Allah says: you did not believe! Say: we followed rituals; for belief has not entered your hearts. 49:14
When you suffer a so called terrible third stage terminal disease it is as simple as an ordinary pimple or a mere weakness of the part where such fantastic diagnoses are made. Fear only Allah; and do not obey the associators and the tartufe. Allah is Knowing, Wise. 33:1
Get Cured Of Your Diseases
Call On Him In the Way You Shall Call On Him; Allah Is So Near, Hears
2:186 And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the Call of the Caller when he Calls on Me (Alone). So they should listen (only to) My call and believe in Me (Alone) that they may walk in the right way.
Fear Allah alone; and do not associate your fear with anything or anyone or to whatever evil you had sent forth before. Seek forgiveness from Allah and call on Him with a call: O The Forgiving! And after that stay away from any association you may still be adhering to like still taking your doses of medicines. For example, if you suffer from any of the chronic diseases and you are dismissed as incurable, at least at this point turn to Allah and fear Him calling upon Him as "O The Most Forgiving!" Then and there you shall find your symptoms of pain receding from its intensity. This would then make sense to you that Allah is so near; and only we are too far away from Him. And be reminded of this: Your prayers will never be answered and would go waste when you do not purify yourself from any association to Allah while you are calling on Him.
Would you try this now and find your way in the path of Salam so that we ascend as Muslims only unto Him from the state of Mumin? As you ascend as Muslims from the state of Mumin, you are surrounded by the Malayikas whose greetings to you is salam, by the leave of Allah and they guide you through this worldly heaven into the afterlife 41:30, 31.Trillions of euros you might spend on your health; none would benefit for Allah alone is the remover when He allows an affliction to seize you.
6:42 And certainly We sent to nations before you then We seized them with afflictions and diseases in order that they might humble themselves. And 6:17 says: And if Allah touch you with affliction, there is none to take it off but He; and if He visit you with good, then He has power over all things.
Take Refuge In Allah
By Remembering Him, Believing Him And By Being Grateful
33:41 O ye who believe! Recall Allah and think of Allah more and more.
We are to recall and remember Allah for all the help that came from Him and all the protection we had been offered by Him during our afflictions and distresses all through our lives. We were at the dead end when we met with those occasions, earned through our own works; recall all of them and remember Allah's Names that truly saved us from all those instances; but for His Mercy we would not be living today and if we feel it is our duty and show of gratitude to Allah, The Almighty - then Recall and Remember the Names of Allah more and more.
For example:
We forgot Allah who sustained us when we felt we were stable in this life; and those were times we failed to Remember Allah as 'O The Sustainer'. Had we remembered The Sustainer more and more, and stayed sustained in His Praise, there would not have been ups and downs and hardships in our lives.
If we are facing difficult situations in our life today:
We recall Allah as the 'Most Forgiving', the 'Most Tolerant' on us. O The Sustainer, make us stay in the Remembrance of your Names, 'O The Reminder' and thus make us show our gratitude to You so that we are by the Most Appreciative, The Astute. O The Master of the Arsh, elevate us to the Throne by your Guidance and Allowance through the Wisdom, O The Guide, The Most Wise. You give the Reign and the Kingdom to who You are pleased with; and remove the kingdom from he, who You are displeased with.
When we were afflicted with the diseases you were The Curer. Yet we associated doctors and human knowledge unto your Command and Wisdom and committed shirk and thus we were of the ingrate. O Allah, You have endured us; and we seek of You: make us dwell in your remembrance, The Most Merciful, The Most Kind and Oft Forgiving. By remembering You in this way we shall never fall sick; nor would any affliction or catastrophe would befall us, O The Most Truthful.
O The Helper and The Protector, You delivered us from all the evils when the jinn and men encountered us and possessed us with fear and worry and depression at heart. O The God of Jinn and Men, save us from their evil whisperings and terror; You are our Only Refuge.
O the mankind, by remembering your every moment of life a Mercy from Him and keep remembering Him by His Names, because by this The Mumin increases you in your Iman. And with this we, by nature at heart, we start Revering Allah as show of our Gratitude to Him and Belief in Him.
If only we believe in Allah, and remain grateful what benefit is Allah's by punishing us in this world and in the hereafter?
Invoke the Name of God, O The Provider, The Most Pure
There Is No Doctor Invented Diabetes
Dear Dr., I am 40 years old and was diagnosed as diabetic 10 years ago and was given medicines. But, since I am against allopathy from my childhood, I avoided taking medicines regularly. After coming across your website and your valuable services, I stopped taking allopathy medicines for the past 2 years. My question is what fruits and food items I can include in my diet. I have lost lot of weight after I stopped medicines. I look very lean. Need your valuable advice. Thanks a million. --By RAMASUBRAMANIAN
6:119
How should you not eat of a food over which the Name of Allah had not been mentioned?
All foods are provided for you by the Almighty Creator in the nature is for consumption and eat thereof. But the Provider unless provides us of His wisdom we are likely to do mistakes and wrongs. For example, the fruits that you enquire. What you are going to read is of the wisdom of God.
Regarding the fruits, you shall eat that which is ripe and sweet wholesomely. Right now to the best of my knowledge the fruits that do not taste sour are: sapodilla(sapotta or chiku), watermelon, papaya and to a certain extent apple. Eat of all these fruits during the noon meal hours 11 am to 4 pm. Never take the solid regular course of food during these hours from today. The reason why you should avoid regular lunch is this:
We drink water when we are thirsty; and eat solid food when we are hungry. The solid food we take during our breakfast is due to over night fasting; likewise another breakfast awaits us only in the evening hours after 5 pm, for a proper digestion following a good appetite. The lunch hours i.e., between 11am and 3 in the afternoon is the period of thirst due to sultriness of the sunny weather. Avoiding the solid food and instead taking the semisolid food is much advisable for a healthy living. The best semisolid food are the fruits. Yes the fruits that are naturally allowed to ripen wholesomely. Avoid juices because fruits are to be chewed and taken not to be drunk. While you make juice it is very likely you consume the unripe fruits mixed in it; it is always sour in taste to which they add sugar syrup. Both are pancreas and spleen spoilers. So eat the fruits chewing between your tongue and palate which stimulates these two organs the spleen and pancreas.
Your diabetes is not caused by the sweet but by the sour taste, which is not a food but poison. All sour tasting items are nothing but poisons. Most sauces, jams and ketchups do have the sour tasting items such as vinegar, lime, tomatoes etc., that are dangerous for the pancreas to handle.
This apart believe in God while consuming your food: O The Provider, allow me the best of what I eat and remove the waste of it from me, O The Pure!
Without this prayer never eat or drink anything. Always keep prayers above your knowledge. If you invoke the Name of God, before you embark on anything nothing bad shall happen even you if you drink sour tasting foods. Until then have patience; there is food restriction for you as learner of belief in God. Remember Him more and more for all time beautiful life ahead.
Quote from: drfazl on April 30, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
Invoke the Name of God, O The Provider, The Most Pure
There Is No Doctor Invented Diabetes
peace,
Dr i think you meant, there is nothing as diabetes. When we invoke Allah, the most Pure.
Peace
My success story is, by the Grace of Allah, I went through bad caffeine withdrawals. Throughout the past 4 years of my life, gradually, I was drinking 5 hour energies, 7 hour redlines, and 4-6 shot espressos, daily. 28 days ago I decided to stop completely. The day after, my body reacted with numerous symptoms: numbness on my right arm, tremors, shortness of breath, tight chest, insomnia, and high blood pressure (peek reading of 166/16). This lasted for a good week, interchangeably, while slowly dwindling as time progressed. Throughout that time, I consistently was prayerful, "Oh Allah, my Healer, take away this dis-ease, O Provider, give me patience and eliminate my hastiness by submitting to Your Will, O Curer, not on my time, but Yours". I made a oath to Allah that I would give up energy drinks and coffee for good. But the night of, when my symptoms were at its peak, my parents forced me to go to E.R. and I did, but I made an oath I would not take any medications, and that the advice from doctors would go out the window. The doctor advised me to take a cup of coffee and to exercise to counter-act the symptoms, after I had already made my oath, what a test from Allah! I did not comply, I stood strong and believed in Allah alone. It has been 26 days, and everything has been improving gracefully by Allah, all Praises is due to Him. I have minor shortness of breath still, nasal congestion, and mild depression. I am staying strong though, constantly holding on to the contact prayer. Even though, I did this to myself Dr Fazl, this has been a beautiful lesson and experience because it has brought me so dear and near towards Allah then I have ever experienced in my life.
A situation that I am also going through right now at the moment, is that I feel very isolated from people around me. I feel the lack of connection when it comes to communication towards others. My desire to speak or even form a bond with people has decreased. I am more to myself then ever. A very close friend (only friend) of mine called me yesterday, and he said that one thing he does not like about me, is that he feels I am anti-social (my parents say the same thing). I started to believe him to the point where I was feeling as if something is wrong with me. Not to mention, he believes in God but does not follow the path and strive in wanting to please God like myself. So we both have different mindsets and lifestyles in life. He feels I am extreme in my ways. I also noticed people around at work, even my close friend, and others discuss on topics of entertainment, pop culture, sports, gossip, mocking, back biting and involve in social gatherings/parties/drinking...etc. I do not involve myself in these type of things anymore. Right now I am having a mental battle within myself by reflecting, "is something wrong with me?" It hurts to be honest. I feel like an outcast, not to mention, people say that I am eccentric, different, and people say the way I am living is not healthy because I do not socialize or engage with these specific lifestyles and relationships. Yes, even though with all honesty I feel very lonely then ever before. I am still seeking Allah, and I am wondering if what I am experiencing is actually my prayer being responded to, a blessing. I have been for the past weeks seeking, "O Allah, the Perfecter, the Guide, take away my worldly desires and guide me to the road of perfection towards righteousness, guide me to the path of the "foremost" group in the hereafter, You are Allah, the Lord of the Worlds". If this is the case, it is a blessing that is hard to bare due to abandonment from the world, by feeling all alone, which I did not expect it to feel like this. I been reflecting on Allah's attributes, The Controller of All Things, would this mean He is controlling what I am experiencing and is creating this barrier between me and others for purification, and by not subscribing what others do, is this correct? I say this, because this is what I feel. But, then another side of me is saying that I am odd, and that i am truly anti-social and this is not healthy. What are your thoughts on this Dr Fazl? If you could also give me some verses to ponder over I would appreciate it. Thank you. God Bless, peace.
I'm not Dr. Fazl, but I applaud your efforts. Keep up the good intentions and hard work. I have no idea where things will take you, but perhaps Allah will substitute the current social elements (which do not tempt you anymore) with new ones, better ones, more fulfilling ones, later on. I guess one needs to go through some tough cleansing experiences before one can operate at another more pure level. Change feels, and it's often times painful. Hadn't you felt anything, it wouldn't have been much of a change.
All the best!
Peace
I am a bit curious about what happened to Dr. Fazlur Rahman. One day it was just quiet from him. I know he had been into a lot of turbulence in the end expressing his stance.
Be of one with God
Quote from: Thepathofnoassociation on October 07, 2014, 09:12:20 PM
My success story is, by the Grace of Allah, I went through bad caffeine withdrawals. Throughout the past 4 years of my life, gradually, I was drinking 5 hour energies, 7 hour redlines, and 4-6 shot espressos, daily. 28 days ago I decided to stop completely. The day after, my body reacted with numerous symptoms: numbness on my right arm, tremors, shortness of breath, tight chest, insomnia, and high blood pressure (peek reading of 166/16). This lasted for a good week, interchangeably, while slowly dwindling as time progressed. Throughout that time, I consistently was prayerful, "Oh Allah, my Healer, take away this dis-ease, O Provider, give me patience and eliminate my hastiness by submitting to Your Will, O Curer, not on my time, but Yours". I made a oath to Allah that I would give up energy drinks and coffee for good. But the night of, when my symptoms were at its peak, my parents forced me to go to E.R. and I did, but I made an oath I would not take any medications, and that the advice from doctors would go out the window. The doctor advised me to take a cup of coffee and to exercise to counter-act the symptoms, after I had already made my oath, what a test from Allah! I did not comply, I stood strong and believed in Allah alone. It has been 26 days, and everything has been improving gracefully by Allah, all Praises is due to Him. I have minor shortness of breath still, nasal congestion, and mild depression. I am staying strong though, constantly holding on to the contact prayer. Even though, I did this to myself Dr Fazl, this has been a beautiful lesson and experience because it has brought me so dear and near towards Allah then I have ever experienced in my life.
A situation that I am also going through right now at the moment, is that I feel very isolated from people around me. I feel the lack of connection when it comes to communication towards others. My desire to speak or even form a bond with people has decreased. I am more to myself then ever. A very close friend (only friend) of mine called me yesterday, and he said that one thing he does not like about me, is that he feels I am anti-social (my parents say the same thing). I started to believe him to the point where I was feeling as if something is wrong with me. Not to mention, he believes in God but does not follow the path and strive in wanting to please God like myself. So we both have different mindsets and lifestyles in life. He feels I am extreme in my ways. I also noticed people around at work, even my close friend, and others discuss on topics of entertainment, pop culture, sports, gossip, mocking, back biting and involve in social gatherings/parties/drinking...etc. I do not involve myself in these type of things anymore. Right now I am having a mental battle within myself by reflecting, "is something wrong with me?" It hurts to be honest. I feel like an outcast, not to mention, people say that I am eccentric, different, and people say the way I am living is not healthy because I do not socialize or engage with these specific lifestyles and relationships. Yes, even though with all honesty I feel very lonely then ever before. I am still seeking Allah, and I am wondering if what I am experiencing is actually my prayer being responded to, a blessing. I have been for the past weeks seeking, "O Allah, the Perfecter, the Guide, take away my worldly desires and guide me to the road of perfection towards righteousness, guide me to the path of the "foremost" group in the hereafter, You are Allah, the Lord of the Worlds". If this is the case, it is a blessing that is hard to bare due to abandonment from the world, by feeling all alone, which I did not expect it to feel like this. I been reflecting on Allah's attributes, The Controller of All Things, would this mean He is controlling what I am experiencing and is creating this barrier between me and others for purification, and by not subscribing what others do, is this correct? I say this, because this is what I feel. But, then another side of me is saying that I am odd, and that i am truly anti-social and this is not healthy. What are your thoughts on this Dr Fazl? If you could also give me some verses to ponder over I would appreciate it. Thank you. God Bless, peace.
peace thepathofnoassociation,
i feel you need strength and proper direction in your justwar - Allah alone: you can re-post this same question to drfazl in this address: foolproofcure.net
peace
Quote from: Man of Faith on October 08, 2014, 09:25:05 AM
I am a bit curious about what happened to Dr. Fazlur Rahman. One day it was just quiet from him. I know he had been into a lot of turbulence in the end expressing his stance.
Be of one with God
peace MoF,
drfazl is never in turbulence in his path of peace - Allah alone. whatever the expression, if one turns towards Allah, it is because of Allah alone, not by the expression. if the expression cannot be understood then it is pride that blocks understanding Allah alone.
the path of Allah alone is never hard, because Allah says: "I make it ease which is simple"
MoF you can meet drfazl at foolproofcure.net
:handshake:
peace
tpna, you are of the bondsmen, sure!
"My success story is, by the Grace of Allah, I went through bad caffeine withdrawals. Throughout the past 4 years of my life, gradually, I was drinking 5 hour energies, 7 hour redlines, and 4-6 shot espressos, daily. 28 days ago I decided to stop completely. The day after, my body reacted with numerous symptoms: numbness on my right arm, tremors, shortness of breath, tight chest, insomnia, and high blood pressure (peek reading of 166/16). This lasted for a good week, interchangeably, while slowly dwindling as time progressed. Throughout that time, I consistently was prayerful, "Oh Allah...."tpna,
The caffeine you had been consuming has twin evil effects: One,creating the symptoms of serious diseases of the future, affecting the Mind which in turn causes deleterious effects on the adrenal hormones and its consequences upon the Central Nervous System, such as your description:
"The day after, my body reacted with numerous symptoms: numbness on my right arm, tremors, shortness of breath, tight chest, insomnia, and high blood pressure (peek reading of 166/16)." And the other effect: suppressing all these symptoms at the same time it creates, causing an euphoric effect. And when you stopped caffeine, the euphoria was removed and you began to feel the actual diseases it had started creating.
But then your remembrance of the Names of Allah:
Throughout that time, I consistently was prayerful, "Oh Allah, my Healer, take away this dis-ease, O Provider, give me patience and eliminate my hastiness by submitting to Your Will, O Curer, not on my time, but Yours". The Healer, began to heal the diseases and their symptoms the caffeine has sparked; your mind was calmed upon the remembrance of Allah's Names such as the O the Provider, O the Patient, O the Peace Giver, O the Hearer of your servant's call, O the Receiver of the submissions, O the All Knowing, O the Wise. Your prayerfulness and your continuous contact with the Names of Allah are being clearly answered.
You have demonstrated and have been demonstrating this ayat of the Quran: 2.186
When My bondsmen
@ ask you regarding Me, say: I am nigh; I am closest to him, if he feels him to be nearest to Me and remembers Me in the way he shall regard Me. May they feel secured with Me and believe in Me alone; then they will be on the right course.
@ Bondsmen are those who are inclined to believe in God alone, and who will not associate any one to God and seek not the help or protection from any one other than God. And 'tpna', you were in continuous prayerfulness and contact with your God.
And you were grateful to and surely not ungrateful to your God so as to be a bad example to deviate others from the path of God by observing this ayat 39.8 in your 26 days of endurance, without associating doctors, their advise and their medicines to Allah's Grace.
"And when distress afflicts a man he calls upon his God turning to Him persistently; then when He bestows upon him a favour, he forgets that for which he called upon Him before, and sets up associations(doctors) to Allah that he may be a bad example to stray off from His path. Say: Enjoy yourself in your ungratefulness a little, surely you are of the inmates of the fire." tpna, surely you are saved from this red warning. So rejoice over what Allah had saved you from.
And again you have practised this ayat 39.49 as a demonstration to other believers:
So when harm afflicts a man he calls upon Us; then, when We bestow him a favour from Us, he says: I have been given it only by means of (doctors')knowledge. Nay, it is a trial, but most of them do not know. Again tpna, you are out of this red area. What a beautiful way and a transformation through which Allah is conducting you!
Regarding the rest of your post,
"I stood strong and believed in Allah alone. It has been 26 days, and everything has been improving gracefully by Allah, all Praises is due to Him. I have minor shortness of breath still, nasal congestion, and mild depression. I am staying strong though, constantly holding on to the contact prayer. Even though, I did this to myself Dr Fazl, this has been a beautiful lesson and experience because it has brought me so dear and near towards Allah then I have ever experienced in my life". I will answer in my next.... and up to this, I want your input before I proceed further into your entire post.
drfazl@gmail.com
Brother DrFazl. Salam.
Since I should refrain from going to doctors to cure my disease - should I also refrain from going to teachers (school, college etc.) to cure my lack of knowledge? After all just like good health comes from Allah alone, all knowledge also comes from Allah alone, right?
Not making fun brother - just trying to get into same page with what you are saying.
Regards,
Arman
Quote from: Thepathofnoassociation on October 07, 2014, 09:12:20 PM
My success story is, by the Grace of Allah, I went through bad caffeine withdrawals. Throughout the past 4 years of my life, gradually, I was drinking 5 hour energies, 7 hour redlines, and 4-6 shot espressos, daily. 28 days ago I decided to stop completely. The day after, my body reacted with numerous symptoms: numbness on my right arm, tremors, shortness of breath, tight chest, insomnia, and high blood pressure (peek reading of 166/16). This lasted for a good week, interchangeably, while slowly dwindling as time progressed. Throughout that time, I consistently was prayerful, "Oh Allah, my Healer, take away this dis-ease, O Provider, give me patience and eliminate my hastiness by submitting to Your Will, O Curer, not on my time, but Yours". I made a oath to Allah that I would give up energy drinks and coffee for good. But the night of, when my symptoms were at its peak, my parents forced me to go to E.R. and I did, but I made an oath I would not take any medications, and that the advice from doctors would go out the window. The doctor advised me to take a cup of coffee and to exercise to counter-act the symptoms, after I had already made my oath, what a test from Allah! I did not comply, I stood strong and believed in Allah alone. It has been 26 days, and everything has been improving gracefully by Allah, all Praises is due to Him. I have minor shortness of breath still, nasal congestion, and mild depression. I am staying strong though, constantly holding on to the contact prayer. Even though, I did this to myself Dr Fazl, this has been a beautiful lesson and experience because it has brought me so dear and near towards Allah then I have ever experienced in my life.
Praise be to our LORD. Thank you for sharing your story. :)
I believe in that, because GOD also helped me recovered without the medications.
Bold: Masha'Allah. Beautiful prayer. I like it.
Salām.
Armanaziz,
Believe in Allah the Hearer of your supplication; if we are believers we have to believe and lookup to the All Knowing, the Most Wise. Who is truer in informing or revealing than Allah.
"After all just like good health comes from Allah alone, all knowledge also comes from Allah alone, right?"
Surely, that is my belief. And I have nothing against you if you choose other means of acquiring knowledge.
Spiritual harmony upon you drfazl,
I had actually missed you here. Sorry for any kind of disputes we have had in the past. I appreciate your words you have to say about not depending on things of this material world and I follow what you teach to moderate levels and hence not as much as you do. However, I would avoid medical drugs as much as possible although I seldom need them either, and beginning to depend on them may just cause an evil spiral.
If I could change much of what medications I have taken previously in my life I would do it. I find it is better going to the root of the cause of diseases rather than reactive treatment of them with drugs. Many, if not all, diseases are caused by various lifestyle induced issues, stress, drugs, obesity and simply not living in the light of God. Not following the decree and causing mental stress over the bad things one does causes diseases to be generated gradually as well since the feelings of guilt will have adverse health effects.
A change of lifestyle is stronger than medical treatment.
I remember when we were treating each other like brothers and had nice discussions here.
Be of one with God
The story of Job, resonated with me with assurance that Allah, The Healer, The Curer is the one who eliminates all illnesses, afflictions, stresses, dis-eases, etc, without any assistance (association). Job relied solely on The One Who Makes His Signs Clear.
21:83 And Job when he called his Lord: "I have been afflicted with harm, and you are the Compassionate!"
21:84 So We answered him, and We removed what was afflicting him, and We brought him back his family and others with them as a mercy from Us and a reminder to those who serve.
Job is one of the examples of what true reliance on Allah really takes, trust and patience.
38:44...We found him steadfast. What a good servant! He was obedient.
The stories of the prophets throughout the Quran, you notice, none of them sought help from no one but Allah.
Peace.
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@ Bondsmen are those who are inclined to believe in God alone, and who will not associate any one to God and seek not the help or protection from any one other than God. And 'tpna', you were in continuous prayerfulness and contact with your God.
I feel very blessed, by the grace of Allah, my understanding in comparison to my past has reached to new heights. I can not even imagine, if God wills, what I will know in the future to come. He is Allah, Al-Mutahhir, the Cleanser; He who Cleanses from Idolatry and Spiritual Evil.
39:22 If God opens one's chest to peacefully surrender, then he will be on a light from his Lord. So woe to those whose hearts are hardened against remembering God. They have gone far astray.
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And you were grateful to and surely not ungrateful to your God so as to be a bad example to deviate others from the path of God by observing this ayat 39.8 in your 26 days of endurance, without associating doctors, their advise and their medicines to Allah's Grace.
I felt this would be best, for God's sake, to share this incident that had occur-ed to me to be a living testimony to you all on this forum.
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"And when distress afflicts a man he calls upon his God turning to Him persistently; then when He bestows upon him a favour, he forgets that for which he called upon Him before, and sets up associations(doctors) to Allah that he may be a bad example to stray off from His path. Say: Enjoy yourself in your ungratefulness a little, surely you are of the inmates of the fire." tpna, surely you are saved from this red warning. So rejoice over what Allah had saved you from.
And again you have practised this ayat 39.49 as a demonstration to other believers:
So when harm afflicts a man he calls upon Us; then, when We bestow him a favour from Us, he says: I have been given it only by means of (doctors')knowledge. Nay, it is a trial, but most of them do not know. Again tpna, you are out of this red area. What a beautiful way and a transformation through which Allah is conducting you!
Through out the 26 days, and still continuing, I was/am holding tight to these verses...
2:3 Those who acknowledge the unseen
...and
7:180 To Allah belong the beautiful names, so call Him by them; and disregard those who blaspheme in His names
While, constantly seeking His attributes, I sought Him "O Allah, the Protector, shield me away from all evil knowledge, shaytans, and evil jinns, and make me firm in believing in You, O Healer, You are my sole Provider, You are Allah, The Lord of the Worlds"
I had to trust Allah, by distinguishing from my senses; hearing, seeing, touching, tasting, and especially feeling, to the unseen force. All the while, seeking forgiveness. Please, do not get me wrong, this was
very challenging for me and still is till this day, because at the moment i am in a tug of war battle between desires. But what I know from scripture, seeking Him constantly to keep me guided and firm in me belief is most essential for me to be with the successful ones, God willing.
3:159 ...place thy trust in God: for, verily, God loves those who place their trust in Him.
All Praises and Worship is due to Allah.
Peace.
Quote from: drfazl on October 10, 2014, 06:42:20 AM
Armanaziz,
Believe in Allah the Hearer of your supplication; if we are believers we have to believe and lookup to the All Knowing, the Most Wise. Who is truer in informing or revealing than Allah.
"After all just like good health comes from Allah alone, all knowledge also comes from Allah alone, right?"
Surely, that is my belief. And I have nothing against you if you choose other means of acquiring knowledge.
Salam brother, thanks for your kind response.
Going to school for education or going to a hospital for treatment does not compromise the fact that health and knowledge all come from Allah. Nor is it any "Other means" of acquiring health and knowledge. There is no other means - all if from Allah.
You are welcome to have your views. It just seems that your preaching ability and strong conviction could have better use than doing publicity against medical professionals all the time. There are millions of the problem in the world - "medical profession"just don't seem to be the number one of them. But perhaps you know better where to spend your time.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman
Quote from: Armanaziz on October 11, 2014, 04:24:44 AM
Salam brother, thanks for your kind response.
There are millions of the problem in the world - "medical profession"just don't seem to be the number one of them. But perhaps you know better where to spend your time.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman
The Problem of the Millennium
Arman,
There may be millions of problems but Allah has been forgiving all of them except for one problem: Association to Him - calling upon others besides Allah. Therefore and thus, there is only one problem in all the worlds - in the past, in the present and in the future: Association to Allah.
Arman, to every nation Allah sends the Prophets as a last and final warning to the people to free them from association, after which their doom is cast upon them if their denial continues. Allah
seizes them with poverty and diseases Allah has sent each and every prophet to all those cities with such signs from Allah, to demonstrate to the people that the Provider and the Curer is none but Allah (6.42, 7.94). Prophet Ibrahim, Ayyub, Esa were a few citation inscribed in the Book. Only from the denial of all the prophets has let to the million-diseases. All the prophets brought with them the Sign of Allah: The Provider, The Curer.
Today again,
poverty and the million-diseases have reached their peak; and people have been ending their lives feeding upon man invented drugs while at the same time staying away from food and starving from man made artificial scarcity for God produced food for their lives.
Dear Man of Faith,
My bother,
Salamun Alaikkum.
Salamun alaikum.
Quote from: drfazl on October 13, 2014, 01:48:53 AM
Today again, poverty and the million-diseases have reached their peak; and people have been living on man invented drugs while at the same time starving from man made artificial scarcity for God produced food for their lives.
Thanks brother, what you say is quite agreeable ... except for the "million-diseases reaching their peak" part. I seriously doubt if you can prove with facts that the current generation is suffering from more "physical" diseases compared to any time in the past. Rather the life expectancy data world-wide says the opposite.
Furthermore, in your last statement quoted above, the second part (food scarcity) is indeed a true problem with global magnitude that we should strive to solve - while the first part (man invented drugs) hardly seems to come anywhere close. Invention of drugs are just like any other inventions - computers, transport, infrastructure and so on - all gifts of Allah to men to make their life better. Yes, overuse and misuse of any technology has its problem - and drugs are no exception - but comparing the medical use of drug with "shirk" and putting it in the same category as global food scarcity does sound like an issue blown way out of proportion.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman
Quote from: Armanaziz on October 13, 2014, 02:20:53 AM
Salamun alaikum.
I seriously doubt if you can prove with facts that the current generation is suffering from more "physical" diseases compared to any time in the past. Rather the life expectancy data world-wide says the opposite.
Diseases and Life expectancy from the Quranic Perspective
Arman,salam.
The under mentioned are a few of the million-diseases with symptoms and syndromes that are persistently chronic and intermittently acute; and them being causative factors for the mortality of the suffering mankind in total, globally. I am not blowing anything out of proportions. Rather I am exposing the truth deliberately overlooked; and the cooked up statistics that form the basis of the documented medical facts and illustrated figures.
Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, neurodegenerative diseases; Autoimmune diseases growingly affecting almost any organ; chronic tonsillitis, appendicitis; thyroiditis, hormonal imbalances; psoriasis; IBS; cancers; heart diseases: cerebrovascular disease, heart failure, ischaemic cardiopathy, cardiomyopathy, idiopathic diseases; Myalgia, polymyositis, encephalomyelitis, chronic graft-versus-host disease (GVHD); chronic hepatitis; cerebral palsy (all types); any chronic pain syndromes and especially post surgical pains; chronic osteo-articular diseases: osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis; gout; chronic renal failure, chronic Kidney Disease; almost any and every gynaecological problem; chronic respiratory diseases: asthma, chronic pulmonary diseases, pulmonary hypertension; Deafness and hearing impairment; Hypertension; Diabetes mellitus; Endometriosis; Blood Pressure; Fibromyalgia; Epilepsy; Mental illness; Osteoporosis; Periodontal disease; certain anaemia and other haemoglobin disorders; Lyme Disease; psycho somatic disorders; and almost all hereditary disorders including Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and many more.
With such terminally leading diseases and many more endless in list manifestly showing their symptoms, and some in remissions; and some in exacerbations; and some in the making, thus with hidden symptoms and syndromes, and every patient dying of the diseases being diagnosed shows the high mortality rate with added adverse effects and afflictions due to drugs and medicines that makes wholesome affliction. And this is the picture at a glance of the world ill fated population as a direct result of what their own hands have wrought upon themselves by believing doctors on par with the All Knowing, All Encompassing, Almighty.
Allah says: And We sent to no city a prophet except that We seized its people with
poverty and diseases that they might humble themselves (before the All Knowing, All Encompassing).Your God is the Forgiver, Full of Mercy. If He took them to task now for what they earn, He would have hastened on their afflictions; but
theirs is a life expectancy from which they will find no escape.
Our understandings concerning the Truth do change from individual to individual; here we are only exchanging our point of view; not discussing even. Your input is most welcome. At one point in this exchange of points, either you or I might stop responding which means 'For you is Yours!' and 'For me is Mine!' That means we respect each other.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Salam brother.
The verbose names of diseases that you mention - most of them have been there all along; they have merely been named in recent times - by the very medical scientists whom you discredit. In current world if any city is experiencing the wrath of Allah - that city has to be one in the Middle East or Africa - medical science is hardly the root cause for these. The only major medical epidemic in today's world - Ebola is prevalent in communities which are mostly outside the reach of modern medical care and the disease originated from the natural world - a fact that farther weakens your claims. Had Ebola surfaced 500 years ago it would have taken a major global death toll - like many epidemics in the last millennium. Praise and thanks to Allah who has given men the knowledge and technology to prevent, contain and cure diseases like this.
Regarding the point of exchange where we seek our own path - for me that point is now. Best of luck with your journey.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman
Reply has been moved to health and fitness:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605160.msg357902#msg357902
I will be much obliged if we continued our opinions exchange to the above section.
salam
drfazl
Quote from: Thepathofnoassociation on October 07, 2014, 09:12:20 PM
Even though, I did this to myself Dr Fazl, this has been a beautiful lesson and experience because it has brought me so dear and near towards Allah then I have ever experienced in my life.
Brother tpna,
You had been tolerating, by the leave of Allah, all your affliction either small or greater; Allah gives you of His tolerance and forbearance and He is the Reckoner of the time determined and the period of your patience. You will receive your goodly reward from the Reckoner; and you have been receiving the greatest gift of Allah - more and more of your faith in Allah alone. When Allah blesses you with worldly comforts also sooner or later, become more and more humble bringing down your pride below your feet, and say: All glory be to Allah, the God of the worlds. Now tpna, it is time to have an ayat or two to verify and to get satisfied upon the ayats of Allah.
"The sacred period is for the sacred period; and for violations is just retribution. So whoever exceeds on you, then exceed on him in the same way that he has exceeded on you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him."
"The Sacred period is for the Sacred period." The sacred period in your life is that period of your patience observed for the sake of Allah believing in His Forgiveness and putting the Trust in His never ending reward; and to you Allah promises: "I am with you all the time, until last day. tpna, you are growing in your peace of mind and health and your sacred period is extended and furthered. Fear Allah more, that you shall not lose your patience whatever be the inducements (entertainment, pop culture, sports, gossip, mocking, back biting and involve in social gatherings/parties/drinking...etc) and utterances (A very close friend (only friend) of mine called me yesterday, and he said that one thing he does not like about me, is that he feels I am anti-social (my parents say the same thing). from the closer friends and far away people. All we have to do is to seek forgiveness for your far and near from Allah. Patience is the last word of Allah to those who follow the prophets and the messengers. Here it is:
"And certainly even the messengers were denied before you, but they were patient over their denial, and they (the people who followed the messengers) were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah. And there has certainly come to you some information about the messengers."And hence tpna, if you are harassed it has happened to even messengers before you; and certainly this message has come to you about the messengers for your peace and solace. Be reminded of this portion of Allah's admonition:
"And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you turn away from your straight path, if they can."For the rest of your post the explanation shall follow soon..
Salam
drfazl
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Brother tpna,
You had been tolerating, by the leave of Allah, all your affliction either small or greater; Allah gives you of His tolerance and forbearance and He is the Reckoner of the time determined and the period of your patience. You will receive your goodly reward from the Reckoner; and you have been receiving the greatest gift of Allah - more and more of your faith in Allah alone. When Allah blesses you with worldly comforts also sooner or later, become more and more humble bringing down your pride below your feet, and say: All glory be to Allah, the God of the worlds. Now tpna, it is time to have an ayat or two to verify and to get satisfied upon the ayats of Allah.
"The sacred period is for the sacred period; and for violations is just retribution. So whoever exceeds on you, then exceed on him in the same way that he has exceeded on you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him."
"The Sacred period is for the Sacred period." The sacred period in your life is that period of your patience observed for the sake of Allah believing in His Forgiveness and putting the Trust in His never ending reward; and to you Allah promises: "I am with you all the time, until last day. tpna, you are growing in your peace of mind and health and your sacred period is extended and furthered. Fear Allah more, that you shall not lose your patience whatever be the inducements (entertainment, pop culture, sports, gossip, mocking, back biting and involve in social gatherings/parties/drinking...etc) and utterances (A very close friend (only friend) of mine called me yesterday, and he said that one thing he does not like about me, is that he feels I am anti-social (my parents say the same thing). from the closer friends and far away people. All we have to do is to seek forgiveness for your far and near from Allah. Patience is the last word of Allah to those who follow the prophets and the messengers. Here it is:
"And certainly even the messengers were denied before you, but they were patient over their denial, and they (the people who followed the messengers) were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah. And there has certainly come to you some information about the messengers."
And hence tpna, if you are harassed it has happened to even messengers before you; and certainly this message has come to you about the messengers for your peace and solace. Be reminded of this portion of Allah's admonition: "And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you turn away from your straight path, if they can."
For the rest of your post the explanation shall follow soon..
Salam
drfazl
"O Allah, keep me in your remembrance, all the while, making me keep You in mine. O Caller, I hear Your call and I responded by Your will, make me a believer and allow me to hold fast during the scared period till the day You and I meet, You are the Forgiving, the Compassionate."
All praises is due to Allah, The Turner of People's Hearts.
O You Under The Bed Clothing!
The line in the verse 73.20 goes like this: .... Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that ye count it not, and turns unto you in mercy ....
Any verse in Quran does not refer to 'Muslims' but to mankind; Allah has created Night and Day for the mankind to enlighten and reassure them by the Night; and enliven and prosper by the Day. The Night is created for us to rest therein and to seek forgiveness for all that we had done during the Day against our conscience, The Book. We are accountable for what we had committed during our Day time; and it is time we sought His Mercy. The Night proceeds with the purification of our conscience, by The Book, until a period during the Night passes by cleansing us of our addiction to evil. So for each and every one of us there is a period of awakening in our conscience before the sleep overtakes us. Early to bed as the Night falls thus gives mankind chance for this retreat in order that they are pruned and primed by the Nights. You cannot fall asleep without this retreat for a wonderfully short, short sleep. Your night is over when Allah says: 'wakeup, enough of it!' When you are thus awakened, the time may be deep into the Night or the early hours; never go back to sleep without getting up, remembering Allah dutifully and with gratitude; if you are sure it is Allah who gives you sleep, then it is He who wakes you up now. If we honour Allah then it is that we wake up, refresh us and bring to our memory His grace upon us as much as possible and praise His Glory for all the good He has bestowed upon us during the Day and during the Night, all our lives.
In this way Allah says some of you stand steadfast in My remembrance during the times of wakefulness, in gratitude - Night or Day, except for the naps now and then as per My allowance to you. Therefore you are not the ones who calculate the Night and the Day. And until this day Allah had forgiven you for this and has turned to you in Mercy.
drfazl@gmail.com
The Covenant Of Thur
2.63
"And remember when We raised ?Thur? above you and took covenant from you and said, ?Have a firm hold on to what We have given you and ponder over it. So that you will become pious.?
Allah has raised ?Thur? above us before taking the covenant. The Covenant has the following agreement: we shall have a firm hold on to what Allah had given to us over it. It is not ?A mountain?. But a word of promise of mountainous proportions from Allah that you will have power over it; and in the Name of Allah see all the benefits and beauty it has for you; its bountiful splendour I have showered upon it for you; they shall listen to your heart and echo your heart in action (34.10); wherever your hearts want falls from it, small or big, it must produce it then and there; when you want spacious pathway up the mountain, it shall pave way for you; all the splendor and beauty must flourish in their varieties according to your wish in the Name of Allah - it must echo you. You can make the mountains displace (13.31), make them fly and disperse them like the dispersion of clouds (27.88) into thin winds. You shall throw the mountains up in the sky and make them bang into each other and fall like a heap of sand and dust and spread it up without ups and downs thus erasing their very traces of their existence before. And you raise your plains into mountains that shall obey your wish, in the Name of Allah.
And thus, if you are a believer, believe that you need Him for the wishful liveliness of your wilfully obedient heart into which He had already breathed His Ruh, as His Wish and Will. And in the Name of Allah, the whole world, the skies and the earth shall echo it in our service and with subservience. Henceforth, have a firm hold on to the ?Thur? - The covenant of Thur.
Bar the Religions; Bat for Religiousness
"But whoever join a people, between who and you there is equanimity; or those who have come to you not willing to oppose you, nor willing to fight their own people ? for had Allah willed, He would have turned them against you; and, at that, they would have certainly fought against you. If they stayed away from you without fighting you, and wish peace with you ? then Allah allows not a way for you against them (4.90) "
This verse speaks about how a believer in Allah should conduct and behave with the rest of whole population who are not believers in Allah; feel the hearts of the people irrespective of one?s religion, religious appearance and ritualistic religious practices. The above verse endorses the righteous attitude to be practiced religiously dignifying your conscience that which satisfies The Most Religious, Allah.
Fulfil Allah's Promises
Allah will fulfil our Promises
For the mankind's redeemed life on this earth, what Allah places before it is, to adhere to an agreement between Him and the mankind. The only proviso in this agreement is: We are to fulfil Allah's Promises; and He will fulfil our promises.
"Fulfil My promise and I will fulfil your promise 2/40."
We are to remember what the promise was for our living on this earth by His bountiful Grace. The only agreement is that we are to fulfil His Promise; and in return, Allah's Promise upon us is: His Grace, Bounteous.
Let us all listen and remember first what Allah Promises to us: Every lively, beautiful and lasting Wish you harbour in your breasts all through your ives, are breathed into you by Me; and these are My promises to you which we are expected to fulfil.
And how to fulfil Allah's promises is to put the whole Grace, Blessings and Bestows back in His Trust without a moment's pause. Allah promises paradises from Him in exchange for our wealth and lives He gave us 9/111. Are we willing to whole heartedly accept to this deal of Allah, in its purest form? When our hearts surrender to this, then it is that we have surely kept His Promise; and Allah will Keep up His Promise: Yes! Paradise for us in this earth and Paradises for us in the Next World too.
Brother Rahman, let us give up the flesh and get absorbed in Allah.
Be faithful to the Rabb
Dear Brother,
Man of Faith
May Allah be the Keeper over our surrender and submission; May He give us the Taqwa. Amin.
Salam
Being in Prayer all the time is Prayerfulness
And it is 'Timed Ordinance' until death.
Allah sends down His Will upon the hearts of mankind, without let up through his every inspiration throughout life; and every 'Will' is bounties of His Treasures, never to let go off our hands; as the treasures of His Bounties are revealed to us, it happens as a flash and at that fraction of the moment our hearts become still and peaceful. We just feel this peace of mind very, very transiently, due to which either we lose the 'Light of Revelation or The Wahi' then and there or stay in that thought appreciating the Revelation for a very short while and then forgetting or dismissing it out unmindfully as worthless imaginations; this monumental loss is because of not being in the constant remembrance of Allah or being prayerful. In every fraction of our each inspiration, we are revealed of the Will of Allah with 'Peace or the word of Salam' from Him. This 'Salam' will be much felt by us off and on, at times of great stress due to fear or anxiety when we will be always prayerful, remembering Allah constantly in our each breath.
It is Allah who says 'Salam' to you during your apprehensive state of mind and we seek the same that which is proposed to us by the Almighty, turning to Him; how we seek the peace is where we deviate. If we are prayerful then we reply to Allah as this: "O Allah there is none but You who can give me Salam; I surrender myself to You for peace; make me a Muslim unto You alone; and strengthen my 'Iman - the belief in Your word of Promise and make me a Mumin unto You alone." And only to this abject surrendering or prostration or sujud to the Will of Allah we receive the answer from Him. Allah is nearer to us than our hearts; and whoso believes in this and being in prayerful state all the time, shall intercede with Allah on his own behalf. Allah answers the call of such callers who call on Him.
On the contrary those who do the ritualistic prayer, they are like deaf, blind and dumb to His time of revelation or we ignore His call on us. Allah is ever watcher over our hearts and He cannot be cheated through the body languages of ritual prayers. Their prayer is a show unto others, while Allah is ever cognisant of what is in the breasts of each of us. Mankind is unlikely to falter in responding to the Call of Allah and shall not miss out on the time, if only they stay prayerful in their souls.
For example Allah ordains upon us, ?Keep up your humility for Me over your anger!? it is a timed ordinance ? unless we are believers and have fear for Allah we are likely to fall a prey to our own satanic influences and become angry with others. Timed prostration to the Will of Allah, or being prayerful, or the prayer conscience is lost there. If we fear Allah there is no need to fear about anything or any one in the world. Peace and protection from Allah follows us wherever we go for Allah is ever Keeper over His bondsmen.
4.103
Thus when you are strengthened in your faith, keep remembering Allah: while standing, or sitting, or resting on your sides; and when the peaceful situation arrives surrender to His Will in time; surely to ?prostrating to His Will? is a timed ordinance upon the believers.
Allah is Grateful, Appreciative
If you indeed love to acquire of the beautiful attributes of Allah such as:
1. Forgiveness of Him and
2. The abstract Power of Him
Then upkeep the following:
1. Do good to others openly or secretly; and
2. Forgive the wrong doers
What a great way to attain of the two attributes of Allah?
4.149
When you do a good openly or secretly or forgive the wrong
@ ? for Allah indeed is Most Forgiving, All Powerful.
@ Those who do such righteous deeds, their hearts are gratefully blessed by Allah of His attributes ? Forgiving and Mightiness.
If Muslims Fear disgrace and social kick out, Follow Isa
Whoever believes in Allah and His messengers and differentiate not between any of them, soon He will give them their reward; and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Merciful 4/152.
Any one who fears disgrace, severe punishment and social kick out as the so called muslims do suffer today by what Allah has fore warned and decreed upon whoever ?adheres? to one messenger and turns away from another messenger, then follow Isa Taurat, Injeel 3/55 as is said in the Quran, so that Allah will make such Muslims exalted above every disbelieving Muslims, Jews, Christians and Sabians 2/62 in the world. Allah will Forgive the muslims and show them His Mercy.
Tranquility to you brother Fazlur,
I think amen's real meaning would actually appeal to your preaching and state of mind. That is acceptance and affinity. Hence to accept Allah is the "amen b'Allah" phrase, but very so by joining the realm and hence be of affinity with the prophets, decrees, angels and all the good people.
Remain faithful to our Rabb
Quote from: Man of Faith on December 01, 2014, 08:32:30 AM
Tranquility to you brother Fazlur,
I think amen's real meaning would actually appeal to your preaching and state of mind. That is acceptance and affinity. Hence to accept Allah is the "amen b'Allah" phrase, but very so by joining the realm and hence be of affinity with the prophets, decrees, angels and all the good people.
Remain faithful to our Rabb
Amen,
Brother Man of Faith
drfazl
Pledge belief in Isa, the Prophet
All through your life 3/55
4.159
And surely, none of the people of the Book shall die without believing in Isa, before he dies. Yet on the Last Hour, he would be a witness against them.
People whose hearts die in disbelief, long before his death ? they die because of their anxiety, apprehension and fear against the peace and tranquility ensured by Allah all through their lives; thus they had killed themselves long before their real death; at the time of their true death, on seeing it before their eyes, the truth re-emerges from their souls saying: Wish a rebirth! At this, they will surely long for it, and they would say: If we are given another lease of life, we will become of the believers and do good deeds. But it is not to be so. In every one, at the time of death this truth will be glaring before them, making them dearly wish for a new life, believing in it totally ? it is because of the existence of the Truth, Isa, the son of Maryam, the messenger and the prophet of Allah had demonstrated by Allah's leave when he made the dead rise from the grave, the greatest Sign and the proof from Allah for the absolute belief. Whoso wish for a new lease of life because they were a disbelieving ones in Isa, the messenger and the prophet even as they possessed the Book, will cry on the Last Hour for a re-birth.
25:30 But Isa, of the messengers would stand witness against them and say: "God, my people had abandoned this ayat 3/55 of Quran."
Prayer: O Allah, the God of the worlds! Make me a believer in Isa; and make me a believer in all of the prophets; and I am not to be among those who differentiate among the prophets.
All Diseases are due to our Eating
The Halal foods, made Haraam for us.
4.161
And We have made the good foods We had allowed for them earlier as disagreeable to the Jews because of their sins; and because they obstructed most people from following the path of Allah.
Most people in the world are suffering food caused problems; they cannot eat what they want because most foods do not agree to their digestion; this is because knowingly or unknowingly or wantonly we are hindering others from Allah?s way, as the Jews are doing. This is such a great sin before Allah that He had made most lawful foods as forbidden to us for life. Set right your heart in that we henceforth shall not argue intensely over Allah's ayats, for it is the work of the disbelievers. It makes most onlookers with an idle mind follow this way or that way, missing out on their own Allah's path. This is hindering the others from following Allah's Way. And in almost all religions there are divisions and sects made by the religious heads who divided one Mankind into various human races effecting hindrance, dissension and deviation.
In our hearts is the disease; and there are no physical or physiological diseases.as modern medicine describes; they will diagnose the diseases but not one disease can be cured; your digestion will never get set right for every food is haram for us; we are to starve to stay high and dry; we call it slim and fitness. Shun the people; turn to Allah in repentance for having followed one sect or the other or the way formulated by so called religious leaders; and We will see Allah as Most Forgiving, Merciful.
Correction to the ayat number referred to in the above post.......
4.161 4.160
And We have made the good foods We had allowed for them earlier as disagreeable to the Jews because of their sins; and because they obstructed most people from following the path of Allah.
What is Halal?
What is Haram?
5:3
Forbidden to us are: the carrion, the blood, the swine flesh, what has been hallowed to other than God, the dead by strangling, the dead by beating, the dead by falling, the gored to death, and the devoured of the wild ? except that which you slaughtered@; and the execrable are ? that which are slaughtered on the altars; and the raffled by the divining arrows. This day, the disbelievers have lost the way from your guided path; so do not fear them; fear Me alone ? and this day, I have perfected your righteous path; and I have fulfilled My bestow upon you ? and for you I have chosen ?Peace? as the path. But if any of you without sinful intention forced to consume out of hunger, Allah is Oft Forgiving, Merciful.
@ The Blood is haram or harmful because at any given point of time it contains urine and evil materials with their live evil energy; therefore all the 24 hours the blood is subjected to the kidneys for continuous cleansing process; the livestock when slaughtered by neck properly with a sharp knife that causes no abrasions or crushing of arteries, all blood from their bodily parts flows out of them with minimal remnants of blood in them; but apart from this way of slaughtering, any other way or method of death to livestock, as mentioned in the above verse, whole blood remains as clots and jellies in their fleshes and in all of their minute blood vessels which is forbidden, for their fleshes now contain urine, evil materials and their live evil energies, which will cause all forms of allergies from skin to bones; and indigestion problems and later on liver, lung and kidney failures. People think that the bone marrow is tasty but hey are haram too; based on the fact that we have listened herein because it is one of the organs of blood production; the other organs is spleen ? these both parts of the cattle are haram; likewise the kidneys and the entire gastrointestinal system lodge in it the excreta; haram are the blood organ, the heart and the lungs; What remains as lawful to our bodily system is the flesh of the cattle and nothing else of them.
And above all the skin of the birds are again the biggest excretory organ with its perspiration and radiation of heat energy; normally we consume the roasted skin of the barbequed or the grilled chicken; it is better to avoid skin of the birds to stay healthy.
How To Read The Verses Of Quran?
5.13
"Then when they broke the covenant We cursed them; and We made their hearts harden. They alter the meanings of Our verses from their respective Signs; and they have forgotten a part of the admonition We have given them; therefore except for a few, you shall be constantly seeing the fulsomeness of the most of the people; so forgive and slight them aside. Allah certainly loves those who do good things."
The verses of the scripture is meant for the guidance of the person who look up to it; and the bottom line for the comprehension of every word and verse of the scripture is the presenting situation of an individual who seeks help and protection from his God to save him and to conduct him in His straight path. But they ignored the real time, contextual comprehension of the verses; instead resorted to distorted timeline history for the verses of scripture; thus the rejecters broke a part of the covenant and rendered the scripture as futile 2/161. Curse be upon the religious leaders who concealed that which has been clarified in the scripture for the people.
Until We Find Our Respective Messengers ....,
5.15
O the people of the Book, ?Verily Our messenger@ has come to you; he will make clear to you of that which you cannot comprehend of the Book while leaving the rest; assuredly there has come to you from your God the Book clear, luminous?.
@ Here Allah describes in the present tense about a messenger being with each people of various communities, speaking different languages 14/4 chosen from among the people of each community in every town; in all the cities, the capitals and the nations for all mankind and of all mankind. This means there had always been messengers before allover the world, there are messengers now allover the world, and there will ever be messengers allover the world, speaking ethnic languages foreign to arabic. And they will be known only to those who have the wisdom of the Book and to who Allah alone 13/43 shall be the witness. Wisdom has no language for it is the Truth itself which has to be felt, perceived, to be believed, to be ascertained through the Signs, by which belief shall further strengthen one?s identity in the path of Allah, so naturally; this nature becomes the inherent superior quality of the people with the wisdom of the Book for which Allah stands the only witness; the clear Sign of such people of wisdom is that they see their entire future crossing the boundaries of the present worldly life as luminous. Such are the messengers chosen by Allah, from among every ethnic population.
The Prayer: O my God, show me my messenger of my language
And guide me with wisdom.
Qurbani = Nearness to Allah
Adam = Mankind
5.27
Narrate the incidence of the two descendants of the Adam; when they both sacrificed, from one of them it is accepted and it was not accepted from the other - said he, ?I will surely kill you!? Said the other: verily Allah accepts only from those who fear Him.
Adam is the first cropping up of mankind on the earth and follow up generations started with regeneration of mankind through men and women 29/20; and they became the descendants of Adam. The above narration is the example between any two religions, or between two groups, or the enmity between two individuals as the behaviour of the general public, the descendants of Adam. When any one is bestowed with the grace of Allah, because of
his nearness to Him, the other becomes envious and grows even to become a killer. The nearness to Allah is possible only when we
sacrifice the beliefs of this world?s ways and means of survival or association to Allah, but look up to Allah alone steadfast by His leave, for a glorious life thereafter.
Nothing to worry; nothing to rejoice
Peace
Here is one of our brothers in Islam here has personally messaged for a solution to his problem; it is not his problem alone but the problem with many of us all our lives; this problem manifests either overtly or covertly lurking deep in the heart; either aware of or unaware of to one's own self. There is nothing to worry about this from the Quranic point of view and by the word of Allah.
Peace!
I am in quite a pickle right now. In 2011 I went into Fana and also entered the state of spiritual madness back in 2010-2011. This completed further down the line, Oct 2011 (entry into Fana). Because of this I'm involved with mental health services and they are giving me medications, which cure nothing and suppress the gentle Ruh, well, try to anyway.
I need to make a living for myself but I don't know where to begin. I have a job for the time being but somehow that doesn't feel like a long term option. I'd like to just move out into the world and start afresh, to open to Allah's vast mercy. I know I have earned enough works to release pure abundance of Goodness. But my pride has suddenly appeared after entering fana and it keeps getting in my way. How do I put my pride to my feet and walk towards Allah?
I keep getting the two choices. One to bow, one to turn away. That's all my Life is now, to choose one or the other. I choose an equal amount of each so I get stuck in the same situation. Obviously I need to step up and away from this situation but at the moment everything is quite fuzzy :tempt:. If I stay at my job, I gain one thing in the world (finances/organisation) and lose another thing in the world (time). If I stay at home I gain one thing in the world (dear hearted relationships), and lose another thing in the world (sanity). I have suspended my studies after realising that student loans do not help my case at all before Allah. Now next thing is next, some things have to go and some things have to begin. I need to tread very carefully. What do you advise?
If you have read this, then thank you very much for your time and energy, I hope to hear from you soon :hmm :peace:
- brother in Islalm.
Believe in Allah for all the good things, and believe in yourself for all the evil to befall you 4/79 is the root factor for all or any of our presenting illnesses and adversities. Throughout our lives we have these two things clubbed together of which our belief in ourselves and in us (the entire service of all human knowledge) rules the roost. So we suffer from chaos, turbulence, melancholy and anxiety more in the mind with sparse distribution of off and on calmness scattered with mixed feelings 94/5,6 all the time i.e., the state of schizophrenia. In this way every person is having a split mind: one, the inside face and the other the outside face with mixed temperaments.
Now the prayer is: O The Expander, expand my heart 94/1; O the Enlightening, (94/3,4) lighten my heart by removing my burden of evil, I am shouldering.
Patience cures the mind of its split personality and brings us back to sanity and saneness; thinking process is put in order and all the forces in the heavens and in the skies and everything in between becomes subservient to you for Allah is with you; for He is with the Patient. Now you have a job at hand; be patient and stick to the job until such time Allah delivers you by His Mercy to a higher position of His choice. Have patience in your present job; and continue your studies until Allah elevates you with His Wisdom. We do not know how but it is there since the word of Allah is there in your heart. Get along with all your worldly activities (39/35, 53) while trusting your God for the best outcome.
Prayer: O God, The Most Truthful, Trustworthy. O You who Reveals, O the Guide, guide me unto You with Sight Clear.
Use Furqaan To Learn Quran
5.46 And We made Isa, son of Maryam to fall in with all the prophets and testify the Taurat that was before him; and We gave him Injeel; in it was Guidance and Light; and it stood testimony to the Taurat that was before him; and it is a guidance and portent for the pious.
This verse stresses the decree upon every prophet from the first to the last that they shall follow the scripture sent down to the prophets before them and for the people before them; for example here, Isa, son of Maryam was asked to follow the Taurat sent down to the prophet Musa before him for the people before him, the people of Israel. Likewise Musa was asked to follow the scripture sent down upon the prophet before him for the people before him. To confirm the scripture before Musa, he was given the Taurat; and for Isa, son of Maryam Injeel was given to confirm the Taurat before him. Finally to the last Prophet Quran was revealed to confirm all the Scriptures from the first prophet to the prophet of Injeel. The distinguishing ability,
the ?Furqaan? from Allah (3:3 , 3:4) has been bestowed upon every individual as an endowment by Allah Himself that shall have to be used as the criterion individually, as a comprehensive proof to extract God?s words from every scripture 4:82 or to beat up the attempts to remove the verses, and to preserve the verses removed or to strike away those sentences as verses injected by the evil men after each prophet?s life on this earth.
Sulaiman, What a King! What an Assembly!
Sura 2 Verse 102
They, in the Kingdom
1 of Sulaiman followed only the inducements of shaitans. Sulaiman had never been a rejecter of God; only the shaitans were the rejecters; and it is them who taught men the sorcery. And that which has been sent down with the two angels
2 Harut and Marut in Babyl ? The two said, ?Surely we are a test unto you and do not be
3 the rejecters of this warning? before they taught
4 that to any of them. Despite this, they learnt from them that could
5 cause division between husband and wife. Yet, without the permission of Allah none shall cause any evil upon anyone with this
6. Therefore they learnt that which should only cast curse upon them and avail them naught a good; and they know well that that which they have bought for a price would provide them no good for the future. What they bought losing out on their souls is outrageous evil, if only they knew.
1. The Kingdom of Sulaiman was profusely studded with the powers of varying order from the skies to earth. The birds, the ants, the termites and many more and their languages were taught to Sulaiman and was in full control of them and had the wisdom to communicate with and command them individually; and the mountains bowed to him; and the iron would become soft and brass would melt by his will; such and many more with Sulaiman that Allah alone knows what they were. And Sulaiman?s assembly included the angels, the jinns, the living martyrs ? the ones who completed their lives in this world as His Signs; such of them are those who were raised as the truthful, as the believing, as the good doers, as the helpers in the cause of Allah. We shall not call them dead for they are all alive as His Signs, as witnesses, as helpers, and as proofs who were studded in the assembly of Sulaiman?s Kingdom. Sulaiman was using all his means at his command with his wisdom to make them know and believe Allah so that they may take to the luminous way wishfully. But he never used physical force (2.256) upon his people to make them comply with his will, for force is not the Right Path to Allah. That was perfect Islamic Rule by Sulaiman in his vast empire full of shaitan-induced disbelievers. Sulaiman?s Kingdom has been the only Islamic Nation the world could ever see, and for all time to come. This could have been mis-propagated as Sulaiman had been soft on disbelievers and had fallen to them. But Allah ascertains Sulaiman had never been a disbeliever. But the people were who followed only what shaitan had whispered to them.
2. In his empire there was this city called Babyl infested with the people involving in sorcery and black magic. Since Sulaiman was never to use force, which is un islamic, he wanted to prove to them the Sign of Allah is truthful and should beat out the black magic. Sulaiman chose two angels from his assembly of malayika, namely Harut and Marut and were commanded by Sulaiman to descend on the people of Babyl. And they descended on them in perfect human forms. The Sign of Allah they possessed with them is the wisdom to unite the divided family. But the miscreants, the sorcerers and the disbelievers could use the same wisdom to divide the families too. There was a severe test for the disbelieving people in what the angels Harut and Marut brought with them.
3. And when the sorcerers and the disbelieving people came to know the fast spreading names and the power of ?the two people? in the city who were merging and bring together the divided families, their minds calculated the misuse they are capable of doing, if only they possess the knowledge of Harut and Marut. The sorcerers and the miscreants approached the two and pleaded with them to teach them their powers.
4. The angels knew them well and warned them of the evil and their doom if they ever misused it. Yet, they gave false promises to the angels Harut and Marut, and forcibly learnt it from them.
5, 6. Finally what they learnt could cause them no good and they became the victims of their own vices. What an outrageous evil that they had learnt selling their souls!
5.83
O God, Identify To Us Our Messenger!
And when they listen to what is revealed to the messenger, their eyes will overflow with tears because they realized the Truth. They will say: Our God, we believed. Inscribe us as among the witnesses. 5.83 Here, this ayat speaks to all people today as to the way the people of faith and gratitude will be moved, by their hearts when they happen to listen to the Truth through their own messengers by the leave of Allah; each community and each nation of the world would identify its messengers chosen of them all by Allah; and with thankfulness they remember their God in their hearts dearer than ever, tears overflowing because of their God?s Mercy, Wisdom and the Light bestowed upon them.
Salaam brother Fazl,
The Arabic 'rasuul' word literally means someone is a beacon towards someone and is not supposed to be taken fleshly/worldly, like the rest of what the Author inspired, as a concrete message. The Quran and what other prophets taught was a consciousness and that was the consciousness of Allah.
Nabi on the other hand means a person who is enlightened literally. He has insight into the realm and it only depends on one's own spiritual ascension and how near one becomes to the Sustainer. It is an earned condition and not assigned randomly.
The lesson towards people with understanding is that the world is not to be treated as a physical reality at all but as an affinity. We all and all matter belong to a grand consciousness called Allah and we should give up our separate (fleshly) rebellious egos and exist in Allah instead.
Salaam brother
Salam
Brother,
Man of Faith.
Quran is not for fleshy living alone, but to attain the kingdom of the Arsh which in essence is the virtual life, by the leave of Allah. Therefore what I want from you now is the virtual meaning of Rasul and of Nabi. Let me listen to what you have to say beyond literacy, as you know I have a very special disregard for the literacy. And I want to hear a little more clearly about. "one's own spiritual ascension".
Salaam brother Fazl,
Quran was composed by a person assimilated in Allah and its language is very forth telling even when used "literally" because the Arabic used carries a strictly abstract rather than concrete and the words should never be taken to refer to the "fleshly illusion".
I thought I conveyed myself clearly in the previous post, but I can make another effort. In all I am not your opponent but we have a similar understanding of the faith. I am not at all bothering with sectarian terminology or definition but rather follow the spiritual meaning implied by their author.
You need a distinction between abstract literacy and concrete literacy in what I say or what the words in Quran say. Quran works entirely on an abstract level and this is why a majority of people cannot understand it no matter how hard they try. Words in Arabic convey a spiritual message, particularly out of the intricate meaning of each letter which are as abstract/spiritual as they can be.
Example is asema "Be consciousness thereof be", obviously referring to the realm.
Since the Arabic language does not have an overwhelming amount of letters you can say it only works around with nearly 30 letters carrying a highly spiritual meaning to convey what they like to say. Yet a combination of those nearly 30 letters can have a root combination of 3 different variations forming a sea of meanings which can used in many contexts. And also some words only used 2 letters and even one letter as in the first letter of chapter 38 and 68.
Okay. Over to your real questions and not just randomly rambling wisdom. I will change into the spiritual meaning disregarding the temporary flesh.
Nabi - "One With Substance [specified]" the sequence of letters speak for themselves, it refers to a person who has joined the abstract realm of Allah. He or she is inside the narrow gate (allegorically speaking), and can "channel" knowledge and wisdom from this depository.
Rasuul "Concrete Consciousness [adhesion] To" worldly people regard it as messenger while people with insight would say beacon and who show the way to the realm/kingdom. There is no concrete message to have the word messenger to be any efficient term but each light is abstract. Jesus did never write any book but he fulfilled a vision of another 'nabi' (person within). Quran is the same, it is also a vision to be fulfilled. Quran teaches a mode of preaching and is a vision for someone to fulfill.
Salaam
Salaam,
Spiritual ascension is when you have the important factor nearness to Allah which implies up to a condition when you are totally assimilated in the phenomenon Allah. The guidance, knowledge and wisdom of the real nature of existence will come as a result of that merging and surrender to the phenomenon Allah.
And to stand a chance of succeeding in the above nearness you will have to struggle for affinity and assimilation. An important measure is dealing with ego and worldliness and give that up for merging with Allah.
Salaam
Brother Man of Faith,
Salam.
No. You are not at all my opponent; rather I do not consider any as an opponent for we are all for Allah. Brother, please exchange your views and opinions unmindful of me or how I take it; I only opt to take the best of the exchanges 39/18. As Allah says we either shall ponder all alone or look up to Allah; or discuss in twos with fear for Allah 34/46. Here are my views in submission:
Quran is being inspired to every individual who is self-conscious and who values and fears His conscience, an inbuilt, original software in one's own mother tongue, in each one's soul, or in the Ruh of Allah. A hard copy of it is given in parts to various prophets and finally in its wholesomeness, the attested hard copy, the Quran is given to the last prophet, The Muhammad, by Allah. The prophet was inspired with and authorized for the Quran; and he, 'The Muhammad' certainly is not the author of Quran 29/48.
I need to know what you mean by the two words opposites in nature: abstract literacy. And especially when your assertion is - "Quran works entirely on an abstract level". Up to this level I want to exchange our views, before we move further.
QuoteNabi - "One With Substance [specified]" the sequence of letters speak for themselves, it refers to a person who has joined the abstract realm of Allah. He or she is inside the narrow gate (allegorically speaking), and can "channel" knowledge and wisdom from this depository.
Rasuul "Concrete Consciousness [adhesion] To" worldly people regard it as messenger while people with insight would say beacon and who show the way to the realm/kingdom. There is no concrete message to have the word messenger to be any efficient term but each light is abstract. Jesus did never write any book but he fulfilled a vision of another 'nabi' (person within). Quran is the same, it is also a vision to be fulfilled. Quran teaches a mode of preaching and is a vision for someone to fulfill.
With regard to Nabi and Rasul more clarification is needed, which I wish to take up later, as we proceed with the discussion.
Salaam
drfazl
5:94
Beware of your brute force
O you who believe! Allah will surely test you to a degree with what you hunt by your hands and spear@ that Allah makes known those who fear Him in secret. And those who transgress after this, they shall suffer a painful torment.
@ Hunting by hands and spear: Hunting by hands indicate your ?physical? strength which urges you to subdue the weak people; and the spear denotes here the sharpness of your ?physical? brain by which you outsmart, overreach and trample the humble and honest ones. Soon Allah will make known their secret plan and transgression in open perchance they repent; but after this they continue in their dishonest devising Allah shall make them taste a painful and disgracing torment.
Salaam brother Fazl,
I did not ignore your previous request but I waited for more time to brainstorm what exactly you like to read because my previous attempts were not sufficient as it appears. Still not sure if I can convey something sufficient on a topic this abstract but like you already know the visual "world" that we see is not as physical as it seems but is only just a materialized illusion (what looks and feels physical). When you like to discuss the true nature of Allah and the realm then you have to take into consideration that fundamentally the realm, including Allah, is entirely spiritual, abstract, so if we like to get to the bottom of it we have to think and reason such as that the visual "dimension" we live in does not really exist except that it works like a grand consciousness. But it does not end there, but there are also two options to choose in that ONE consciousness and that is being an ally of nothingness and an illusive mass which appears to be the shattered spirit of Shaitaan who seems to somehow be absorbed into this illusive reality and our fleshly apparitions are drawn towards indulgence in what our primitive body's desire for.
The best weapon against ourselves, to save ourselves, is to struggle hard to detach ourselves from those desires for they are only in vain and through various measures (mentioned in Quran) deepen our spirituality. When we think concretely we are at risk of losing our minds to the fleshly trap, so we must always find a way to think beyond the illusion. And that we can do through joining the consciousness of Allah which is definite although will not let you in unless you give up the flesh plus the consciousness of Allah will not be (abstractly) perceptible until one is separating the mind from the body, and through body means all the flesh combined including your own body.
The illusive body your have you are unfortunately stuck with, but as assimilation goes into the realm of Allah then the dependency will feel felt to be reduced and you will feel detached from Earthly mass and also the visual delusion so you can feel in a semi-trance state and to wander in the spiritual detachment. It is incredibly hard to describe in words because words always have their limitations, but considered your personal progress I suspect that you already know the feeling of this condition.
The optimal condition is when you feel you do not really exist on your own but you exist in the consciousness of Allah because you could absorb your ego in Allah and through Muslim's favorite term, so-called absolute submission. The difference is that Allah is never separate from yourself but it is you who should exist in the Oneness that is the only true existence, but if you worship Allah like something separate then you have missed the point. The best worship is to do the will of the Rabb and be realized in Allah. No neanderthal Pagan rituals required because that is too only talking but the one who does the will of the Rabb is the one who shall prevail.
Allah did never prescribe any ritualistic prayer but what was prescribed (or recommended) was to stay near the image of Allah, to maintain the connection (Nearness and Guidance), although salateh is the wrong word people are looking for because that word only refers to the individual's own ways, their path-taking, perception. But it is clear that the one treads that path should do it in assimilation with Allah, to keep affiliation rather than succumbing to the illusion of this world. The one who is wise and knowledgeable, gained by goodness, shall see that abstaining from their own bodily pleasures and the illusive world will boost this abstract absorption into the realm of Allah. Because man was made to tread in the image of Allah, but the flesh tempts the man and the instincts prevent him if he lets the body rule.
Now I did not exactly answer your questions about nabi and rasuul, but I will if the Rabb permits do it.
Nabi seems to be the perfect assimilation state which I mentioned above, but not many people reach that far in the distraction of this world. One is granted access to a depository of Knowledge and Wisdom and can perceive the world beyond its illusive borders. One may even see the force/spirit/energy which keeps the illusion intact. What the Rabb wills they can do because the Rabb will prevent too profound signs for the hypocrites must not realize about Allah and the wisdom is with the Rabb. If the Rabb willed everyone could obviously have realized very easily about Allah, but now that is not the point. But the Nabi is more than realized about Allah but also inside a greater consciousness beyond this illusion to mass.
The rasuul, abstractly, is like a beacon, showing the way with its light. The light is conveyed and not recited and it is through the exemplary assimilation the person is to be followed.
Not sure if you are contented with that brief elaboration. Can you please ask specific questions so I know where to pick up the thread?
Salaam
The Platter
The Ignorant
The Punishment
And just a plate of food
5.112
When the disbelievers said, ?O Isa, son of Maryam, can you make a platter descend down upon us from the sky?? He said, ?Fear Allah, if you are believers.?
The ignorant are these who cannot least understand that the plates upon which their foods are at this moment is from the greatest of all plates, the earth, created by Allah as only a platter.
5.113
They said: ?We wish to satisfy our hearts and to know for sure that you spoke the Truth by eating thereof; and that we wish to be witnesses to it.?
Every day?s food we consume is from the earth?s surface which is the grandest, greatest and vastest of all platters in which the seeds gather, germinate and grow into food and also serves as all provisions for us; all created by Allah from nothingness; yet the ignorant ask for a small platter as food directly from the skies for them to see to believe that Allah creates all food from what they know not. Let us be aware of it that every plate of food from this entire platter of the whole surface of the world by the only Creator, to Whom we should show our gratefulness by distributing them all among the mankind; if we do so, each day shall be a festive day and a feasting day for the entire world population till the Last Day. Allah has thus created us as honored guests by making us born in this world; but shaitan introduced the money and the finance for the food and the feast from Allah became fasting and starving without even a plate of food for the households for days; this is a deterrent punishment for those who sell foods; and we see billions and billions of people in the world starving, begging and laying on the pavements - a sure punishment from Allah; today we shall awaken to this ?Truth come true? from Allah and fear Him; it is time we formed a government and vote leaders into power who have sense not to sell foods and their provisions; if we do not stop selling the foods and their provisions from this day, then listen to what Allah says in the following verse 5/115.
5.114
Isa, son of Maryam said, ?O our God Allah! Send down upon us a platter; it will be a grand sign from You and a food festival for us, and to our fathers and to our descendants; and fulfill our needs; and you are the best in fulfilling our provisions.?
Isa, son of Maryam is left with no option but turn to Allah for the sake of ignorant who are to be shown His Signs to their very material sight. Yet Allah warns before accepting Isa?s submission. But they did not distribute the platter of the world, the foods of Allah to the people; instead the governments and their chosen leaders are such that they finance the food, control the food from reaching the public and clandestinely plot against the people, to make the people as slaves. Even the so called Muslim nations are touching and grabbing the forbidden trees which is meant for the entire world. This is the reason why Allah has chosen to punish the muslim nations to begin with, with starving and disgrace. Soon Allah shall seize the world as a whole with even severer punishment, if the people of the world continues to choose shaitans as their leaders who touch the trees and grab the provisions of it.
5.115 Allah said, ?Surely I will send it down; but after this whoso of you become a denier, I will seize him with a torment that I had never seized anyone with in the world.?
Indeed the Rabb created food and all matter, but originally it was not intended that we would be part of the mass. Shaitaan beguiled us into indulgence.
And the "marathon" fasts, so-called Ramadhan, are clear whispers of Shaitaan. Yet they feast in the evening for what they lost during the day. Such is not healthy.
It is okay to eat, for we need to keep the flesh alive, but we should only eat as much as the body needs. And excess love of food and drink, without conscious consumption, is a danger to the succumbing to Shaitaan just as the invented long fasts.
Yet Shitaan does not want us to die but love the material illusion and so we should suffer and then indulge in a lot food at a feast in the same evening. And this kind of eating is bad for the health too.
Salaam
Brother MoF
Is it a response to my post or are you sharing your opinion in general? I think it is your general opinion. I regard it.
salam.
Salaam brother Fazl,
It was a response and own input.
Salaam
Quote from: Man of Faith on February 18, 2015, 08:52:47 AM
Salaam brother Fazl,
Still not sure if I can convey something sufficient on a topic this abstract but like you already know the visual "world" that we see is not as physical as it seems but is only just a materialized illusion (what looks and feels physical). When you like to discuss the true nature of Allah and the realm then you have to take into consideration that fundamentally the realm, including Allah, is entirely spiritual, abstract, so if we like to get to the bottom of it we have to think and reason such as that the visual "dimension" we live in does not really exist except that it works like a grand consciousness.
Allah is the wholesomeness of all and endless of His attributes, the qualities necessary for a boy or a girl, or a man or a women to be a Human; whereas a man is considered to be a physical one, a Human is considered to be considerable in nature and attributes of Allah by which standards billions of men and women elevate as individual Human beings. Allah is with every Human being; His attributes are the treasures of His gardens of this world and the world next - the unseen and the unknown nature of which treasure is known only to the Creator, the Knowing.
QuoteBut it does not end there, but there are also two options to choose in that ONE consciousness and that is being an ally of nothingness and an illusive mass which appears to be the shattered spirit of Shaitaan who seems to somehow be absorbed into this illusive reality and our fleshly apparitions are drawn towards indulgence in what our primitive body's desire for.
Conscience i.e., the Scriptural encryption in a Human's soul, is all inclusive God-Endowed Potential with Exclusive Power against the spirited shaitan; the more we ponder in our God's Qualities, the more we imbibe the same in us as our unseen natural wisdom and power, by the leave of Allah. Every material visible, and every force invisible will be under our command from heavens to earth and everything in between by the leave of Allah. We will be able to detach ourselves from the business, laboriousness and hardship of the man invented material way of living to easy, cozy and rosy life 29/2, by Allah's leave.
QuoteThe best weapon against ourselves, to save ourselves, is to struggle hard to detach ourselves from those desires for they are only in vain and through various measures (mentioned in Quran) deepen our spirituality. When we think concretely we are at risk of losing our minds to the fleshly trap, so we must always find a way to think beyond the illusion. And that we can do through joining the consciousness of Allah which is definite although will not let you in unless you give up the flesh plus the consciousness of Allah will not be (abstractly) perceptible until one is separating the mind from the body, and through body means all the flesh combined including your own body
Revive the Conscience, by reminiscing all the glad-tidings of the past and the present as only from Allah, which is possible only by shedding the pride and humbling before the Almighty and the Unknown Highness. Only at this point the fleshly parts of us and of the entire universe fall in submission to the Power of Mind, the Commander in abstractness. The fleshly parts will be absorbed into the Soul, the Ruh of Allah in us. This is living by soul and flesh together, flesh submitting to the soul. In this way the flesh is as good as non-existing.
QuoteThe illusive body your have you are unfortunately stuck with, but as assimilation goes into the realm of Allah then the dependency will feel felt to be reduced and you will feel detached from Earthly mass and also the visual delusion so you can feel in a semi-trance state and to wander in the spiritual detachment. It is incredibly hard to describe in words because words always have their limitations, but considered your personal progress I suspect that you already know the feeling of this condition.
Quran is Conscience - Allah's Command, Edict and Vivid Expression in man's poor, literal, material, smattering arabic - in order that it is easy to get into pondering and get the better expression and perception of it. Allah has chosen arabic because it is the most docile of all scriptural languages. The more superfluous a language is considered by a population, they will be too arrogant and hardcore to be flexible to attain higher perceptive quality. They will never rise above their literacy.
QuoteThe optimal condition is when you feel you do not really exist on your own but you exist in the consciousness of Allah because you could absorb your ego in Allah and through Muslim's favorite term, so-called absolute submission. The difference is that Allah is never separate from yourself but it is you who should exist in the Oneness that is the only true existence, but if you worship Allah like something separate then you have missed the point. The best worship is to do the will of the Rabb and be realized in Allah. No neanderthal Pagan rituals required because that is too only talking but the one who does the will of the Rabb is the one who shall prevail.
Allah did never prescribe any ritualistic prayer but what was prescribed (or recommended) was to stay near the image of Allah, to maintain the connection (Nearness and Guidance), although salateh is the wrong word people are looking for because that word only refers to the individual's own ways, their path-taking, perception. But it is clear that the one treads that path should do it in assimilation with Allah, to keep affiliation rather than succumbing to the illusion of this world. The one who is wise and knowledgeable, gained by goodness, shall see that abstaining from their own bodily pleasures and the illusive world will boost this abstract absorption into the realm of Allah. Because man was made to tread in the image of Allah, but the flesh tempts the man and the instincts prevent him if he lets the body rule.
Now I did not exactly answer your questions about nabi and rasuul, but I will if the Rabb permits do it.
Nabi seems to be the perfect assimilation state which I mentioned above, but not many people reach that far in the distraction of this world. One is granted access to a depository of Knowledge and Wisdom and can perceive the world beyond its illusive borders. One may even see the force/spirit/energy which keeps the illusion intact. What the Rabb wills they can do because the Rabb will prevent too profound signs for the hypocrites must not realize about Allah and the wisdom is with the Rabb. If the Rabb willed everyone could obviously have realized very easily about Allah, but now that is not the point. But the Nabi is more than realized about Allah but also inside a greater consciousness beyond this illusion to mass.
The rasuul, abstractly, is like a beacon, showing the way with its light. The light is conveyed and not recited and it is through the exemplary assimilation the person is to be followed.
Not sure if you are contented with that brief elaboration. Can you please ask specific questions so I know where to pick up the thread?
Salaam
My addition and input to this comes later on.
Salam
Brother MoF.
drfazl
Thanks brother Fazl,
We basically think alike with different words and minor other differences. Blessed be all in Allah (for those who choose that path).
Salaam
Revelation Of Quran - Testifies What Is In The Soul Of Man
Prophets Bring Quran As Witness To The
Soul Of Man 6.18
Say: "Which is of most weight in testimony? And say: Allah is witness between you and me; this Quran is bestowed upon me through wahi - inspiration thereby to warn you and those who were bestowed with it@. Do you have proof there are deities besides Allah? I bear no witness to it; verily He is the only God; and I am quit of that you associate.?
@ 13.43 and 6.18 stresses the Truth that the Quran is a Spacial Expression of Creation to those who reflect upon their very presence and existence in the vastness of space. The prophets are chosen to explain to them and the others clearly in communicable language, about the Truth in their souls. Before Quran is physically expressed time and again through the chosen Prophets and Messengers, it is inscribed in each one?s soul at birth. There are people who live by it; there are people who can remember when they are reminded of it - such are the witness to Quran; and there are people who have rejected the Quran, thereby their very souls forever, living defiantly all through their lives.
Quran is clear explanation, verification by way of its revelation in the life of this physical world as you live as mortals; and a revelation helping you to ascend to the throne of the metaphysical world as immortals. Quran is not for literal reading incorporating man invented lexica and morphemes. Quran is the communicable language between the Soul and the mind; and not for linking the clay-pot brain to the material world.
Dear Dr Fazl,
I give here the highlights for me from your post #438 in this thread.
Quote from: drfazl on February 25, 2015, 07:10:05 AM
Allah is the wholesomeness of all and endless of His attributes, the qualities necessary for a boy or a girl, or a man or a women to be a Human;
Allah is with every Human being; His attributes are the treasures of His gardens of this world and the world next
Conscience i.e., the Scriptural encryption in a Human's soul, is all inclusive God-Endowed Potential with Exclusive Power against the spirited shaitan;
the more we ponder in our God's Qualities, the more we imbibe the same in us as our unseen natural wisdom and power, by the leave of Allah.
The fleshly parts will be absorbed into the Soul, the Ruh of Allah in us.
Quran is Conscience - Allah's Command, Edict and Vivid Expression..
Beautiful!! It gives me a feel close to my heart.
I accept. I submit.
Beyond doubts, questions, word wars,
Beyond words to feel.
Beyond facial expression to spacial expression.
Beyond body to mind.
Beyond earth to seven skies.
Beyond visible to the unseen.
Beyond explained to inexplicable - known only to the Creator.
My prayer:
O the Complete! O the Wholesome!
Help me to be Human. I handover the responsibility to you.
All glory be unto you.
Gita
The fleshly part you will be detached from. It is nothing permanent unless you fail the purpose.
Salaam
Normally people have and ask these questions:
1. What is Faith healing?
2. How can any one cure another of his diseases if it is from God as a test or as a punishment?
First let me tell you the very important fact, 'I do not treat a patient, but God does cure one when we turn to Him soulfully without setting up partners or associating things with Him viz. the doctors, the men and their knowledge.' If you are a believer in God you also believe that He is almighty and there is nothing He cannot do. Whenever we fall ill He is the One and the first to give us the glad news, "You shall be ok!" Thus He proposes to us in the very first instance as a Command as well as a Blessing enlivening up our heart; and our hearts respond reverberating with a dearly feeling, overwhelmingly accepting and submitting to His Command, 'Yes, I should be ok!'
In other words our hearts are echoing the Command of God with a blessed and power generated feeling of belief, 'I shall be ok!' Thus to a believer who believes in God's words - for him the creative power of God begins from within his heart as life rejuvenating force. As this force builds up in strength with the belief, the worry regarding the disease wears out 'By the Hour', and we tend to forget very often that we have an illness - this state of mind indicates the disease force in our system has started weakening; and the life force is growing stronger as long as your belief and patience stands the test of time. The rejuvenated life force starts pervading the circulating life energy driving away the disease force from our system. A believer thus shall maintain belief and patience as long as it takes to kill the disease force for good.
So you should have understood by this time what I do. I strengthen your belief with the following questions. Try to understand the questions and answer them carefully. You should verify your own answers to the questions and see if your answers tally with my answers. Let us go to my questions and your answers:
Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you believe in that He has power over every thing?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you understand any good feeling in your heart is the blessing, a glad tiding and promise from God?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you understand that when you earn any evil, it is God's words "You shall be ok," that soothes your heart?
A: Yes.
Q: Are you sure without His allowance there is no blessing upon or God's creative force in you; and nothing moves in the good direction?
A: Yes.
Q: Is it right if at all we should survive, our livelihood shall have to come only from God?
A: Yes.
At this point we come to know our duty is to be aware and well receive the revelation from God as He sends down His blessings upon our hearts. For example, whenever we are ill or seized with some misfortune, the very first words of blessing from Him is: Get rid of it! If only we lower our ears to it,- this is not only a blessing, but also a command from the Almighty. Believe and surrender to His Will; His Will be done! It is He who will deliver you from all your adversities; thenceforth the lives of such believers will be blossoming without major hitch or hinderance. This is God's creative power in the heart of a believer, reassuring and enlivening. It is worth living when we abide by such commanding life force. This is believing in God. This is living by the leave of God! God cannot be seen; God cannot be heard; Godliness has to be felt in the fullest measure as His blessings descend down upon our hearts - with a sense of absolute surrender, free from suspicion caused by the worthless and objectionable human knowledge, say, the hopeless medical knowledge. When we use our brain abreast of God's wisdom embedded in one's heart as His Will, the worst of all evil befalls us; we tend to brush aside the wisdom of Allah, and fall a prey to the 'possessed-knowledge'.
Suppose a medical knowledge says you are suffering from third degree cancer and you will die in 3 months, - and if we believe in any such nasty utterances of these inglorious 'specialists' - we fall from the Grace and Mercy of God. Let us be mindful now which words to believe: those that which is revealed to your heart by His Grace or the fraudulent words of the ignominious doctors upon whom you confer the specialist status when in truth they are ignorant to the core? If you consider the doctors are specialists who then is God to you? This means He is nothing! Thus God is despised, disregarded, ignored as a mean thing! Hence the ignorance shall be ruling over us as we brush aside His mercy and forgiveness while holding our knowledge with pride and arrogance high above the wisdom of God.
Whereas the knowledge has to develop for all time to come until the end of the world and thus it is always ignorant, the wisdom of God is absolute. Whatever is revealed is knowledge; and what is yet to be revealed is of the wisdom. In other words the knowledge we possess is the ignorance; and what we need to know is the truth. Knowledge is what is seen of things; while the truth is the invisible wisdom from which the living comes into being. Thus the knowledge is an outdated self destructible thing but the wisdom is the truthful unseen life force that creates and originates. So which of these do we believe in: The unseen invisible wisdom of God? Or we believe only in the visible self-destructible human knowledge that shall destroy us too in the end? Believing in the Wisdom is believing in God; and believing in knowledge is believing in Satan. Only one of these two can exist in your heart: either belief or disbelief; liveliness or self destruction.
God is boundless and free from any boundary we make for Him; so you cannot shape him within a boundary line either imaginatively or unimaginatively; He is finitely infinite that you cannot define and bound Him within the boundary of the knowledge of human beings. It is important to know at this juncture that God is a feeling of blessing; and not a thing. Thus your heart is the sanctum sanctorum that conceives the godliness as blessings. In your case you have conceived God's blessings such as: "You shall be free from your diseases!" Now your belief in God alone makes the conceived grace to develop into visible creation; and so keep up your belief until the maturity is complete and reaches full term; never get disheartened at any point of time and fall from your belief to disbelief, and so neither shall you abort what you have conceived of God or can you afford to caesarian deliver it through the cutting edge of the human material knowledge lest you should say God has forsaken you!
From this moment, your heart alone is your temple; the blessing you have conceived in your heart is the sanctum sanctorum; and you have to keep the conceived blessing sanctified - without the disbelief ever touching it i.e., without encountering it with the human knowledge, until the blessing reaches its full term and is delivered to you in the pristine pure manner and form. This is how you are delivered from your diseases and adversities.
This is my way to Allah. There is no God in shape or form but there is the Godliness i.e. the feeling of Blessings from God in each of us. If you understand that you should have belief in God in the manner I have clarified above; and if you shall be steadfast in the belief until conception period of His Blessings reaches full term; and that you shall not slacken in your belief during its course, then my prayer shall be of definite support to the belief you have in what your God has sent down upon you - until the word of God is delivered to you and you become alright. So I do make my point clear that I am not curing any of his diseases; but strengthen his belief in Godliness so that he cures all by himself by His Mercy, with a bit of steady and prayerful support from me. We will never know how long it will take before you are cured; for the Time of Term is with God. For a believer he shall never be hasty. They shall keep in contact with me whenever they need support to their belief. Once a week contact for the prayerful support is good enough until they gain their own faith by the leave of Allah.
salam
drfazl
Ibrahim, His Descendants, The Indian Subcontinat
6.75 And We showed Ibrahim the ruling of the skies and the earth so that He is certain:
6.76 Thus when the night covered over him, he saw a star; he said, ?This is my God!? But when it set, he said: ?I do not like that sets.?
6.77 And when he saw the moon rising, he said: ?This is my God!? Then when it set, he said: ?If my God does not show me I will be of the misguided!?
6.78 And then when he saw the sun rising, he said: ?This is my God; this is the biggest!? And when it too set, he said: ?O my people, I have rejected all that you associate to God.
From 6.75 to 6.78 Allah reveals how He was teaching and guiding His servant Ibrahim slowly over a period, to make him gain His wisdom above the earthy knowledge of the people of his community who were then as different tribes worshiping the Stars, the Moon and the Sun as their Gods. Yet by Allah, Ibrahim was applying his personal scrutiny, the criterion to determine his ?belief-course? and passed through all the stages one after another, such as: the Star, the Moon and the Sun successfully that he ultimately after years of time discerned for good that none created shall be gods but the One Creator of all that is in the heavens and in the earth, The God. Thus Allah teaches Ibrahim about Himself, Allah. Be all praise to Allah, the God of all the worlds.
Like the yesteryears this day, we find the Hindu society as belonging to the descendants of Ibrahim?s religion such as: idolatry, the various deities; worshiping the Stars, the Moon and the Sun and Everything on the earth and in the skies as their Gods. And like Ibrahim they constantly are shifting between one belief to another and finally there are innumerable people who take to Quran for the guidance, believing in Allah. The true and real descendants of Ibrahim are presently here in the Indian sub-continent.
Yes Dr Fazl,
then again this is important and beautiful to me.
Quran 6:80
And his people argued with him. He said, "Do you argue with me concerning Allah while He has guided me? And I fear not what you associate with Him [and will not be harmed] unless my Lord should will something. My Lord encompasses all things in knowledge; then will you not remember?"
Very true, very true br, amin.
What is not important when you ascertain upon a certain recitation from Quran?
salam
Why has Allah created heaven and the earth while He knows well who we are?
6.107 Had Allah willed they would not have called upon other than Him; We have not assigned you as protector over them; neither are you a guardian over them.
People generally have this question: why has Allah created heaven and hell? And why has He created the good and the bad? And why did He give us the mind to choose? For all these questions the above verse is the clear answer for those who receive the discerning from Allah. To everyone if this ?one way? question is asked: whether you want a much better and a more beautiful life or a heavenly life tomorrow, they would say: Yes. On the other hand if they are asked: if you want a much worse and more frustrating life tomorrow, they would say: No. Again, when they are given to choose between hell and heaven, they would choose the heaven in a flash; and on the same lines their choice would go between the good and the bad. It is the ?bestowed-predisposition? by which Allah has set the mind that constantly pushes a man to the better and more beautiful life by the moment. Allah the creator of our lives always reminds us of this future which He has in store for us; and all that Allah wants us is to believe His words if we are truthful in our belief in Him. But we choose to disbelieve it; and with all our consciousness against The Conscience, we follow our despicably disgusting standards and means of our ?lifeless knowledge? to shape up our death ward and deadly future by our own hands, instead of the surrendering by will to the promised heavenly life, by Allah, the Creator - thus we, with our heights of pride, we claim that the future is in our hands, disclaiming and denouncing God, the Creator, the Enlivening. It is outright rejection of Allah while we know well; and hell is the abode of such people; Allah has left them to their doom without a protector, without a helper and without a guide - He has removed the discerning ability, the Furqaan from their Ruh; now their only question all their lives will be is, ?why has Allah created the heavens and the hell while He knows well we, the highest of creations, we, the humans will opt only for the hell rejecting against Allah?s Wish and Command that we should strive for the heaven, all our lives?? Such people form the majority population; if we are to sit with them discussing or arguing over this, then we will be of them 4/140.
Both You: Muslims and Non Muslims!
You Only Insult ME, ALLAH
6:108
And insult not the God@ they call upon other than Allah lest they will insult Allah in enmity without a thought - thus We have made such deeds fair-seeming to every community; then their return is unto their God; then He will inform them of what they used to do.
@ All people believe in the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful, All Knowing - One Almighty Creator; such Attributes, and Many and Countless Attributes are there as His Names; If all Names are to be held altogether, and to be revered, The One Word is, ?Allah? - All Glory Be Unto Him. The Names of Allah are the individual attributes of who is termed as the ?Rubb? in Arabic or termed as ?The God? in the general tongue; the attributes of Allah, the Rubb is set as the Conscience in every soul; Rubb is always plural denoting all the endless names or the attributes of Allah which means the One God of all Rubb and there is No Rubb other than the Only Allah.
People in general fall into two categories: one section believes in Allah without perceiving or knowing their Rubb i.e., Allah?s Attributes, the God?s; in other words they merely chant the word, ?Allah? without their conscience working for them; this means, they are idol worshiping the ?sound? of the word, Allah. So this section of the people cannot hear, though they have ears; cannot see though they have eyes; and cannot understand though they have the hearts, to follow the Words of Allah: His Glad-tiding or His Warning! This section forms the Muslims at large. And there is this another section: they believe in (the Names or the gods or the Rubb), a few or more of the Attributes of Allah, The One God - but have failed to bring all the ?Goodly-Attributes? together to bring into ?The Oneness? i.e., ?The invisible feel of Allah?. So they materially visualised the truthful attributes, made each of them into symbolic idols and conjured up multiple ?gods-beliefs? to each and every one of the endless Rubb, the Names of ?The One God?, thus felling themselves to Polytheism. They are failing to take the note: attributes and qualities have no form or shape but it is ?The Feel? from their Conscience which is ?The Soul? of every human. When the idols are removed form their minds and absorb them all into the soul as feel, they are with the real God, Allah.
Conversely, the so called monotheistic muslims do not practice the attributes(the Names, or the gods, or the Rubb) of Allah in their daily life; neither do they value nor care for those attributes, the Rubb. Allah has many Names and call on Him by His Attributes, beautiful(7/180). For example, O Rubb, the Most Forgiving; O Rubb, The Most Gracious; O Rubb, the Most Merciful; O Rubb, the Most High; O Rubb, the Most Wise and so on. We are to call upon our Rubb thus, remembering His Name concerning to the specific glad or dire situation and we are not to associate partners to Him by calling upon the human being either to praise them or to seek for help and protection form them. The difference between the muslims or the non muslims is not much at all; both are associators except for their rebelliously steadfast points of views. Here is just one among the numerous example to show how Allah addresses Himself with One of His Rubb, Ar Rahman: 21.42 Say: "Who can keep you safe by night and by day from (the Wrath of) (Allah) Most Gracious?" Yet they turn away from the mention of their Rubb.? Allah calls Him not as Allah, in this context but as the Most Gracious, The Rubb. 22.77 ?O ye who believe! humble and surrender yourselves, and call upon your Rubb, God - and do good, that haply ye may prosper.? Here as believers in The Rubb, we call Him as to the context: O The Most Wise, The Most High. Allah says, call Him by His Beautiful Names and leave them alone who are wrongfully neglectful.
Unfortunately we do not remember our Rubb, but simply call Allah without remembering His Names as our Rubb; In this way muslims in general neither worship Allah; nor do they revere their Rubb. And coming to the non muslims they have made their Rubb in to idols and fall a prey to their inventions. Muslims and non Muslims are not on different platforms but on one and the same.
In 6.108 Allah puts both these groups together as one and the same and says to them both: do not insult others? Gods, for they are the names of Me, One Allah; they are idol worshiping the one or the other of the Names of Allah, the Rubb; if you do so, without a thought they would insult Allah as a whole, which means they inadvertently insult every name of Allah, calling evil names. Allah is Merciful upon both you parties; if you still insult their gods, their rubb, then know that you insult one or the other Names of Allah and for this I will make you ignorant of what you do; I have allowed this evil work fair seeming to all communities and will set you upon each other to meet your own catastrophe.
:bravo:
Also, it seems that many so called atheists are actually, in their atheism, rejecting and refusing the worship of sounds and idols, and rightly so. Unfortunately, many then conclude that there is no divine dimension. I suspect that those who worship sounds or idols actually confuse and distract people from looking for the reality below the radar. People are confused by the madness and hypocrisy of the sound and idol worshipers, and are as a result too quick to, erroneously, dismiss all things divine. The baby is out with the bathwater.
Peace
Salaam,
I would call those who are "atheists" (dislike the term) both succumbed to the world, and listened and become deluded by available no "higher power" arguments. Few actually think for themselves but follow the stream and their social environment will affect them.
Salaam
In some aspects, atheists and religious people are sort of the same... one is deluded by "science" and one is deluded by religion. Science is not supposed to judge about things beyond its scope. Thermometers are not supposed to judge about the quality or poetry. Using science to disprove Divine Allness is like using the pH-level of an orange to prevent corruption in afflicted nations.
Science cannot be used to feel the aspects of Allah. Religion can however be used for the shutting of doors, locking of minds and blinding of vision. The religion of science and the religion of religion are two very stagnant and non-living things.
Sensing, experiencing and acting is what we should do. In this way, there is a possibility to grow and learn to see. Just look at the indoor plant in the pot in your window. It knows in what direction to turn. There is no doubt. It not only knows how to face the sun rays, but knowing and doing is the same. Knowing and doing is part of its being and expression. We humans though, refuse to turn to the Source, out of madness. We have made it so complicated for ourselves, when it could be the simplest thing in the world, the most natural thing. Reality is too simple for us to grasp easily.
Most people think they see, while they are blind. Perhaps me too. It's a struggle. The greatest of them all.
Salaam Zulf,
Regarding what you said about not being able to feel Allah through science. I think I have to disagree a little with you there. Science has helped me understand a lot on how the realm works. And then I speak of the dynamic functionality of the world. For example, quantum physics was helpful in understanding that the world is actually merely energy (or what to refer to it as). If you make an atom disintegrate (fission) or make a nuclei through fusion, what you gain is an energy discharge. This is how fission/fusion reactors work including the theorized cold-fusion reactor. Although I have heard of a new kind of engine which exhaust would be water (h2o) through a fusion of oxygen and hydrogen. The fusion would create a power surge.
Anyway, what is most interesting is the fact that fission or fusion would cause a discharge of energy. It shows the actual integrity of the atoms because if manipulated and thus disintegrated or joined they would show their charge. It is crazy such a power these phenomena cause.
That is why I would say science can make one believe in GOD. I became with faith through my own contemplation of the exisence rather than religious doctrines and then science played a big role in making me realize the fact there is a "higher power". Sadly people claim that you cannot combine faith and science, but I say you can. Science simply reveals the nature of GOD for the perceptive. I have never been very faithful to religious doctrines and their interpretations of texts and I sense now it has been rewarding. Being sceptical about every single bit of Quranic Arabic knowledge and interpretation was a clear advantage.
Sorry drfazl for polluting your thread with jinn knowledge. I would like nothing rather than being dissolved from the flesh. It is the signs of Allah that are intriguing.
Salaam
Salam zulf, MoF
For us it is struggle, but to Allah it is easy; let us call upon our Rubb: O The Most Easy, there is none to show us the path of Easiness save Thee. When we turn away from Allah,The Most Easy, there are Business everywhere in the process of which we become only busybodies invoking and worshiping all shaitans ante to every Name of Allah, our Rubb.
O Allah, The Most Easy, guide us in the Path of Easiness; not business of the misguided rotten people of the world.
Salam,
No Problem Man of Faith; there are good Muslim jinns who also belong to us and we good Muslims belong to them. Salam to all of them. Whichever direction or discipline or the science you turn to, there is the Sign of Allah 2/115; some has to go through a struggle to finally find the easy path; some get into the easy path straight away; there is not one direction but countless. To cite, Atheism is the best direction to reach the path of God.
There is no pollution here, MoF; not at all.
The strength with the scientific method is that it is evidence based. This is how you deduct reality. Unfortunately, people use science to promote their own opinions. They extrapolate and say things that science actually doesn't say.
Science and Divinity are not in disagreement with each other. However, Religion and science may very much be in disagreement with each other, because Religion can be anything you want. Religion and Divinity may also be in disagreement with each other. Religion is often fables.
Science never negates Divinity. Some people may be convinced by science about Divinity, while others will never be convinced, by anything.
Peace
Scientific evidence only satisfies either one or the other of the five special organs such as eyes, nose, ears, mouth and skin of man but cannot provide its evidence even to all of them let alone if the scientific evidence pleases the live senses of each of those organs; Divinity lies in the Signs of Allah as it creates life and produces liveliness. On the same lines science is akin to the 'material-religion' of ritual worshiping gymnastics without life and liveliness and thus both science and religions are deadly. The Signs create righteousness in you and makes you wholesomely a sensible man.
The important difference between "Sign of Allah" and the 'science of man' is that one has life in it e.g all the creations of God; whereas man's invention is lifeless and are already decomposed decays even at its conceptual stages. Sign is total and wholesome, while the science has to evolve through the millenniums and 'zillenniums' yet, they cannot catch up with the life source. They are dead and false. Science never negates divinity for it accepts and has to accept in the end its worthlessness before the creative strength of the Signs of Allah.
Cannot hunt in the land
But lawful to hunt in the sea
5.96
It is made lawful to you to hunt in the sea that which is useful to you and the voyagers; and to eat thereof. But it is unlawful to you to hunt on the land at times when you seek purity to your soul; so fear Allah; and unto Him you will be gathered.
What is the difference between hunting in the sea and hunting in the land; hunting in the sea is allowed and lawful because you and the voyagers on the ship are on a journey to the distant land far away from your homes; your voyager ship shall have rooms for storage of the foods only to contain in just amounts; and the sea is ninety percent more enormous than land and its depth and vastness is incalculable; Allah has graced the sea with such bounties that however much you hunt in it, you cannot pump the sea dry but retire yourself, tired. It is allowed for you to hunt in the sea but unlawful it is to hunt on the land which produces the foods fairly, and justly, and freshly and seasonally - and in bountiful measures for all the people in the world by the command of Allah; one cannot plunder in the land and deprive the rest of the people of their righteous bounties of the land through hunting and squandering - especially when you seek purity to your soul from Allah, in His path.
Follow Not Mullahs and Moulvis
Lest we become pagans
7.3 Follow that which is revealed to you from your God; and do not follow any guide@ other than He; very little do you reflect.@ When it comes to following God and His Book, follow only that which is very clear to your conscience as Revelation of the Truth while in contemplation and introspection; this is the Guidance from the God, direct. This is God?s Way - for only God can teach you His Way; if any one associates allies to God and follows other than Him, they are the polytheists and pagans. Unfortunately very little understand this Guidance while most of them follow their priesthood and their forefathers, thus straying away from their God?s path.
Quote from: drfazl on March 17, 2015, 09:27:38 PM
On the same lines science is akin to the 'material-religion' of ritual worshiping gymnastics without life and liveliness and thus both science and religions are deadly.
Quite on the contrary... neither science, not religion is deadly.
Science provides a methodical approach to study and analyze
what we can observe; while religion provides a methodical approach to keep us reminded to have faith in
the unobservable. They are complementary to each other. Together they give us the ability to explore the heavens while keeping our feet firmly on the ground.
Deadly is our greed, envy, lust and pride... which provoke us to make the science and religion an excuse to be unfaithful to our God gifted senses of right and wrong.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman
Quote from: Armanaziz on April 10, 2015, 04:25:14 AM
Quite on the contrary... neither science, not religion is deadly.... our God gifted senses of right and wrong.
Salam Arman,
If only we use the God gifted sense of appreciation of the right and the wrong, we can definitely differentiate and distinguish between the Signs of Allah and the science of man.
drfazl
You can follow a person with spiritual insight. It is just that you must choose this person wisely
If he asks you to follow a religion, strange Pagan practices and/or something materialistic it is not the right inspirational source.
I mean, drfazl deems that his view of Quran and the ALLAH phenomenon to be right and tells people to follow him. He would contradict himself if he says no guide can be followed since he tries to guide people into what they should do. Avoid Modern Medicine etc.
But you have to consider very carefully what it is you follow.
Salaam
I have not been preaching anyone; nor have I been airing out my point of opinion from any remote understanding but that I am citing example of my own how believing in the Signs of Allah above anything else makes one strengthen his insight and broaden his scope to live his moments beyond all science of man. I am stressing and ascertaining the Truth from my living that the Signs of Allah and the Guidance of the Quran is True and there is no human efforts to match it at any given point of time. Again, I am not preaching anyone here for preaching is that which one speaks out as good things when he himself cannot practice it.
Salaam,
I think your idea of preaching is a bit preconceived. You can teach and also practice what you say even if it happens to be a rare phenomenon among sectarians. Spiritual teachers such as عيسى (Isa) did so. Nothing wrong in being a spiritual guide, if you are up to the task and do not merely speak out of own selfishness. One has to be one with ALLAH to do it successfully which means to do as you teach.
You inform people relatively often on this forum and in ways you are trying to teach people, so you do it as well. It is a kind of preacher.
People who are here on this forum and voice their opinions regarding various matters are directly or indirectly preaching, even if it is not their intention. Just airing your opinion in a clearly opinionated way shows preaching. If you are here, promote an idea and seek to make people accept the proposal, then you are indeed preaching.
The question is instead who is a good vs. bad preacher, i.e. voices information, or disinformation even though it might be unintentionally.
Salaam
Salam,
I believe in Allah alone even to guide the people for, Allah guides whom He is pleased with; those who believe in all humility there is always one above every 'knower' come under the grace and guidance of Allah (12/76 but over every possessor of knowledge is one knowing). Stand as an inspiration by your living, by the leave of Allah and then speak of what you do and of your own example is what Quran prescribes. Quran does not speak about preaching but doing by Allah's leave. From the perspective of Quran I believe in Prophethood and Messengership - but not in priesthood. I will not banish myself by being a preacher.
semantics
Beware of the Chosen People for the Book
7.52 Surely We gave them the Book
@; We have revealed it with insightful discernment - a guidance and grace for those who believe.
@ We gave ?them the Book? - who are ?them? here refers to is those 7/48,49 who were given the Book as guidance and grace from Allah and who nevertheless did find themselves in hell. The Book is meant to have their wisdom strengthened through the insight, discernment and revelation therein. But they took the verses of the Book for jest 4/140 and for vain arguments 6/68, treating its verses with their false, prideful worldly knowledge, mostly tending toward the freakish, delusive atmosphere. Such is the plight of certain of the chosen people 7/169; 42/14 whom Allah has identified in Quran. Today such people swarming around us are the self-styled religious scholars, the clergies, the spurious leaders of various religious doctrines. They give out ?fatwas? in this world and for the next world, denying and belying the Truth that to Allah belongs the Last Day and to Him is the Hour of judgment.
Drfazl,
Then you "guide in (affinity of) ALLAH".
Salaam
Salam
Man of Faith
Allah is pleased with those who turn only to Him for anything and everything, finding Him alone so close to Him - so closely that Allah is nearer than his life itself.
Brother, I think I am trying to answer you; I do not know what you have in mind when you put that question to me; if my answer is incorrect then for my better understanding the question may be rephrased.
drfazl
Prophet Messenger
He is not a lettered-personality like commonplace
7.157 Those who follow the Enlightened
@ prophet messenger of Us, will find description of him in their Taurat and Injeel: he will enjoin upon them all good deeds and forbid them from evil works; and he will make lawful all good foods; and prevent them the evil foods; and he will lessen their heaviest burdens and remove their slavishness; so whoever believes in him, and dignifies him, and helps him and follows the enlightenment bestowed with him will alone be the victors.
@ The Prophet in the above verse is described as not a believer in the litters of the man invented ?lettered-knowledge?, but a believer in and follower of the Wisdom of Allah; and Allah has granted him what he pursued and thus describes His Prophet-messenger as unlettered but Enlightened.
7.158 Say, ?O mankind, verily I am the messenger to you all from Allah; unto Him belongs the kingdom of the skies and the earth; and there is no God but He; He brings forth life and He causes death - and therefore believe in the Enlightened prophet messenger; and he too believes in Allah and in His Signs; and follow him alone that you may be guided.?
Peace,
I don't know why you translate l-nabiya l-umiya as the enlightened prophet. In my understanding 'ummy' has no meaning of illiteracy or enlightenment at all.
Crossheck with 3:20, 62:2, 2:78-79
I think those verses will point out to you it can't be translated as enlightened nor illiterate. If it's not obvious to you I will elaborate on the contradiction.
My understanding of 'ummy' is gentile.
Root likely used; Alif-Meem-Waw, as per ancient lexicon. The root can refer to a female because the word actually means descriptively "be thereof" as indicating wo-man/mother because women give birth and you come out of her as an individual.
According to the lexicons the root can also refer to imitation and mode of being and to "be thereof" as a collective and why ummah has the same originating root. You can easily verify my claim using a lexicon like Lane's.
Any kind of illiteracy or any alike connotations has no basis. The root simply means "of whom one is".
In 7:157 the word الامى refers to "those who emulate (imitate) the prophet messenger" in the context. It could give fuel to the sectarian crowd (so-called sunnah), but their derived behavior is taken from fabrications and fabricated interpretations of authentic sources (e.g. Quran).
The interpretation follow/imitate has basis in lexicons and is not my conjecture as people are so prone to accuse me of and so does "to be thereof" (mother).
7:157, after further brief analysis, continually speaks of the adherence to what was decreed (maketoba) in all sources of revelation. The decree never changes.
Salaam
Quote from: runninglikezebras on May 07, 2015, 08:35:58 AM
My understanding of 'ummy' is gentile.
Your understanding from the "meaning" of the word 'ummy' is gentile; before that,
What is the 'meaning' of the word "meaning"? What do you mean by the word meaning?
When Allah says 'a word', to know the meaning of it, you look into your own man-made dictionaries wherein are a bunch of meanings called synonyms or thesauruses out of which you shall choose a right word fitting to the past contexts and dead situations; but if the contexts and prevailing situations are of paramount importance in choosing a correct meaning, then with Allah is the truth of all the events, and the eventualities of them all; for it is with Allah the past of us, the present of us and the future of us and the meaning is the comprehension of the wholesomeness of these - the Reality. Before this reality your contextual and situational extracts, using your external poor sensorium are nothing but deception; your understanding shall never carry you forward to nor will it take you closer to the truth.
The intended use of a word by Allah is to gain from the Truth that is to know from Himself; this is what is intended of communication with the wholesomeness of the words used in a verse for it encompasses all the three worlds: past, present, and future which is not a possibility at all with us; so we have to be humble before Allah when we say "I Know; I will teach you." I think Allah will not like us claiming that we know all things, especially His words and His verses in His Quran.
Coming to the man invented, lifeless and deathward dictionary knowledge, "ummy" means gentile; what is the meaning of the word gentile here? It means a person belonging to one of the pagan groups different to that of the Jewish pagans. So what Allah intends for man is to import from one's own inferences with reference to his reflections encompassing the three spacial times, when Allah used the word 'ummy'. From the man made dictionaries we see Muhammad an ummy i.e., a pagan with a difference... Do you reflect any further than that? If you do reflect further, then you will arrive at driving yourself closer to Enlightenment.
When I say meaning, I'm talking about semantics that are accessible to mankind. God does not speak words to us directly. Neither did God talk directly to Muhammad. When the words of Quran were delivered to Muhammad, God used a messenger/malaika (in contrary to Musa, to whom God spoke directly). In Quran itself we find that this Quran was delivered in arab, containing clear signs. The semantics are those that pre-existed Quran/Islam and were used by the mailaika messenger sent to muhammad. The etymology of many words in Quran is historically older than their usage in Quran. Thus, I can be confident in concluding their meaning is accessible.
Gentile means those who aren't jewish in the Quranic context. Only in this understanding the context will reveal itself to you. Quran makes this distinction for good reason. The jews, are asked/reminded to uphold an existing older convenant by accepting this messenger and his message. Gentiles do not have such a convenant with God and are therefor addressed seperately.
I don't idolize muhammad, maybe he was enlightened, I can't tell from what I read in Quran. But referring to muhammad as a gentile is significant. His submission to God was not bound by older convenants but by his own choice and submission to God. It is even more significant to realize why God chose a gentile as his messenger. This is a clear message to the jews (for not upholding the convenant).
Peace
ps: if you are sticking to an interpretation of 'enlightenment' one would expect the enlightened prophet to be Musa, not Muhammad. As God conversed directly with the first, not the latter.
2.253 Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah has spoken to, while some of them He exalted in degree...
Please say to me who are all those messengers Allah had directly talked to...
2.186 When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed very close: I listen to of every suppliant when he calls on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.
Have you ever believed you shall listen to Allah's call? Should you not have listened to? And had you listened to, then this part of communication would not have found place here.
Quote from: drfazl on May 07, 2015, 10:46:25 PM
2.253 Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah has spoken to, while some of them He exalted in degree...
Please say to me who are all those messengers Allah had directly talked to...
2.186 When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed very close: I listen to of every suppliant when he calls on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.
Have you ever believed you shall listen to Allah's call? Should you not have listened to? And had you listened to, then this part of communication would not have found place here.
I only know of dialogues between God and Musa in Quran. Understand what dialogue means. This is bi-directional communication. 2.186 is one directional communication.
When we call onto God, God listens. This is different from God speaking directly to us. The call God makes in 2.186 is not verbally spoken to us directly. Most of us have Quran for this. Quran only has a few examples of people being directly spoken to by God. I'm not one of them - it is very exceptional. I'm not a rasul.
In Quran you can find dialogue between Musa and God. There is no dialogue between Muhammad and God. So even prophethood does not imply God speaks to you directly. To Muhammad God sent a messenger instead of talking directly to him. Why would God send a messenger to Muhammad if they were able to have a dialogue such as with Musa?
Peace
In a dialogue will you not listen? When Allah asks you to listen to Him, is He not so close to you wanting to speak with you, by keeping Himself nearer than your life vein 50/16? What difference do you make between dialogue and hearing between person to person as through physical means? And heart to heart communication between Allah and us, human beings all the time for He wants to guide us by His Means. Please say the difference.
Quote from: Man of Faith on May 07, 2015, 01:27:05 PM
Root likely used; Alif-Meem-Waw, as per ancient lexicon. The root can refer to a female because the word actually means descriptively "be thereof" as indicating wo-man/mother because women give birth and you come out of her as an individual.
According to the lexicons the root can also refer to imitation and mode of being and to "be thereof" as a collective and why ummah has the same originating root. You can easily verify my claim using a lexicon like Lane's.
Any kind of illiteracy or any alike connotations has no basis. The root simply means "of whom one is".
In 7:157 the word الامى refers to "those who emulate (imitate) the prophet messenger" in the context. It could give fuel to the sectarian crowd (so-called sunnah), but their derived behavior is taken from fabrications and fabricated interpretations of authentic sources (e.g. Quran).
The interpretation follow/imitate has basis in lexicons and is not my conjecture as people are so prone to accuse me of and so does "to be thereof" (mother).
7:157, after further brief analysis, continually speaks of the adherence to what was decreed (maketoba) in all sources of revelation. The decree never changes.
Salaam
In hebrew am is the word indeed for mother. But in OT the word is most often used in the meaning of nation/nations. Nations, in contrast to 'the' nation/people - namely the jewish people (israelites).
Peace
Quote from: runninglikezebras on May 07, 2015, 10:53:49 PM
I only know of dialogues between God and Musa in Quran.
And so Who knows who are the other messengers Allah had talked to directly, except Allah? Therefore what is there in Quran is an inducement for you to turn to Allah for more, and speak with Him directly for more; and wait in patience expecting to listen to Him when He speaks to you heart to heart. Turn to Allah and turn off your dictionaries.
Quote from: drfazl on May 07, 2015, 11:06:22 PM
In a dialogue will you not listen? When Allah asks you to listen to Him, is He not so close to you wanting to speak with you, by keeping Himself nearer than your life vein 50/16? What difference do you make between dialogue and hearing between person to person as through physical means? And heart to heart communication between Allah and us, human beings all the time for He wants to guide us by His Means. Please say the difference.
Look up the verses in Quran that describe how God talks to Musa, asking him what his staff is for. Musa literally hears God voice, he can hear every word of this question in a verbal format. He does not see God, though he can hear every word God is saying. Quran describes this method of communication as 'from behind a veil'. It is one of three methods how God communicates with human beings. In those verses I'm referring to, Musa replies to God. God can hear Musa and replies to him.
Compare this to the verses mentioning Muhammad. It is not a dialogue with God in any understanding. Muhammad was asked to obey the messenger (angel) and submit. Outside these instructions he received from the angel/messenger, Quran tells us Muhammad erred and was criticized for it.
If you claim he was enlightened, how would you explain him erring and being criticized for it? I think you are still somewhat idolizing Muhammad if you think there is evidence inside Quran of him being enlightened.
God calls on all of us to submit and obey the message. That's what I'm trying to do. If you take instructions from enlightened messages you receive in your heart, how do you know what is from God and how to distinct those from the whispers of shaitan?
Obviously one can't. Therefor I obey the message, being Quran.
Peace
Quote from: drfazl on May 07, 2015, 11:13:46 PM
And so Who knows who are the other messengers Allah had talked to directly, except Allah? Therefore what is there in Quran is an inducement for you to turn to Allah for more, and speak with Him directly for more; and wait in patience expecting to listen to Him when He speaks to you heart to heart. Turn to Allah and turn off your dictionaries.
Look at the verbs being used (difference between "give words"/"speaking"). Most likely God conversed with other prophets I'm unaware of. But certainly Muhammad was not one of them.
42:51
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Muhammad was given words by a messenger God sent. Not talking from behind a veil.
Peace
To me the concept of people who claim God talks to them directly is completely strange. When I see others claim such things, most of the time I think it's either pretentiousness or a mental disorder.
Unless of course they prove themselves to be messengers from God. I consider Muhammad to be a messenger from God.
Peace
Quote from: runninglikezebras on May 07, 2015, 11:19:05 PM
Look up the verses in Quran that describe how God talks to Musa, asking him what his staff is for. Musa literally hears God voice, he can hear every word of this question in a verbal format. He does not see God, though he can hear every word God is saying. Quran describes this method of communication as 'from behind a veil'. It is one of three methods how God communicates with human beings. In those verses I'm referring to, Musa replies to God. God can hear Musa and replies to him.
42.51
It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except through Wahi or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.
runninglikezebras, tell me after reading the following, what means of literal, physical nature that Allah communicates with any man on the earth, except your own take that which you believe. When Musa cannot see physical God, do you imagine for Him a physical mouth, eyes and things like that? You aught to cite reference from Quran to prove that Allah speaks literally too. Please read the only 3 ways by which Allah communicates with the humans.
It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except -
Musa was a human being like the rest of every human being
There are 3 ways Allah does speak to every human being
1. Allah should speak to him except through Wahi as direct inspiration from Allah -
Allah should speak to every prophet i.e., human beings through Wahi
Or,
2. That Allah should speak to them from behind a veil -
Allah speaks to every human being through the Messengers from Malayika, who are veiled to man's physical eyes.
Or,
3. That He should send a human messenger who reveals the words of Allah
Apart from the 3 ways I have cited, kindly cite from your side the ayats that say Allah speaks to the ears of the human beings through the words and syllables uttered through the mouth.
QuoteCompare this to the verses mentioning Muhammad. It is not a dialogue with God in any understanding. Muhammad was asked to obey the messenger (angel) and submit. Outside these instructions he received from the angel/messenger, Quran tells us Muhammad erred and was criticized for it. If you claim he was enlightened, how would you explain him erring and being criticized for it? I think you are still somewhat idolizing Muhammad if you think there is evidence inside Quran of him being enlightened.
Are you ignorantly or wrongly insinuating Muhammad when Muhammad is not mentioned by name in any of the ayats you have suggested?
Yes,
And I wrote that AM has a meaning as a nation of people because they believe in the same derived customs and culture. This is because AM means "are thereof" as a collective. The same reason why it is referring to mother in some instances.
In the highlighted passage it refers to "be of the messenger prophet" as in mode of being and as a collective who follow him.
Salaam
Quote from: Man of Faith on May 08, 2015, 03:18:03 AM
Yes,
And I wrote that AM has a meaning as a nation of people because they believe in the same derived customs and culture. This is because AM means "are thereof" as a collective. The same reason why it is referring to mother in some instances.
In the highlighted passage it refers to "be of the messenger prophet" as in mode of being and as a collective who follow him.
Salaam
Well no, it means the gentile prophet obviously. Just look at the many occurences where it is used as community/nation/people. Look at how Quran describes the jews in contrast. Ummi is, just like in OT, people in contrast to Gods chosen people, the israelites.
Peace
Quote from: drfazl on May 08, 2015, 02:56:15 AM
42.51
It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except through Wahi or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.
runninglikezebras, tell me after reading the following, what means of literal, physical nature that Allah communicates with any man on the earth, except your own take that which you believe. When Musa cannot see physical God, do you imagine for Him a physical mouth, eyes and things like that? You aught to cite reference from Quran to prove that Allah speaks literally too. Please read the only 3 ways by which Allah communicates with the humans.
It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except -
Musa was a human being like the rest of every human being
There are 3 ways Allah does speak to every human being
1. Allah should speak to him except through Wahi as direct inspiration from Allah -
Allah should speak to every prophet i.e., human beings through Wahi
Wrong conclusion to say this was possible with every prophet. If so why were messengers/angels used?
Quote from: drfazl on May 08, 2015, 02:56:15 AM
Or,
2. That Allah should speak to them from behind a veil -
Allah speaks to every human being through the Messengers from Malayika, who are veiled to man's physical eyes.
Wrong understanding. This means literally speaking (like to Musa).
Quote from: drfazl on May 08, 2015, 02:56:15 AM
Or,
3. That He should send a human messenger who reveals the words of Allah
You are confused brother. This category involves a malaika messenger. It's not referring to human messengers.
Quote from: drfazl on May 08, 2015, 02:56:15 AM
Apart from the 3 ways I have cited, kindly cite from your side the ayats that say Allah speaks to the ears of the human beings through the words and syllables uttered through the mouth.
(20.16). What is that in your right hand, O Moses? (20.17)? He said: ?This is my staff; I recline on it, I beat down with it tree leaves for my sheep, and I use it for other things? (20.18). He said: ?Throw it down, O Moses!?
Quote from: drfazl on May 08, 2015, 02:56:15 AM
Are you ignorantly or wrongly insinuating Muhammad when Muhammad is not mentioned by name in any of the ayats you have suggested?
Brother, learn to read. Also, find me one verse that is similar to 20.16-18 involving Muhammad. Find me one verse in which God speaks to Muhammad without using an angel/messenger. Brother, those verses don't exist. You can't substantiate what you are trying to project. God speaking to Muhammad is nowhere in Quran. It's time you face this truth.
ps: its kind of funny you cite the exact same verse I gave you earlier, and you start distorting it
Peace
The Rabb does not normally speak to humans yes, but that does not mean The Rabb is not present and with a person. The Rabb does not have to speak to humans because the ascended are obedient and treading the image.
And the one who can emulate ALLAH is in ALLAH.
And there must be interpretation problems because GOD is seen talking to Abraham in parts of Quran because the 'qul' word is being used. And not only there but 'qul' is used other times as well.
Salaam
SLM@ MOF!
Where did ALLH ever teach us to emulate Him* [or "be in"]!?
* no gender intended.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on May 08, 2015, 09:57:48 AM
Wrong conclusion to say this was possible with every prophet. If so why were messengers/angels used?
Wrong understanding. This means literally speaking (like to Musa).
You are confused brother. This category involves a malaika messenger. It's not referring to human messengers
Who is right and who is wrong is known only to Allah; and only Allah Knows the real meanings of His ayats 3/7; so what is expected of us is to listen the speeches carefully and intently and choose the best of them all 39/18 - such are knowledgeable ones and it is them Allah conducts in righteousness. If you abide and honour these ayats then you have not read Quran to learn from Allah, but to argue.
QuoteBrother, learn to read.
The other way is the best to satisfy Allah and to help Allah teach you directly through wahi.
Quote(20.16). What is that in your right hand, O Moses? (20.17)? He said: ?This is my staff; I recline on it, I beat down with it tree leaves for my sheep, and I use it for other things? (20.18). He said: ?Throw it down, O Moses!?
If Musa was one to one with Allah in person, and all alone, and in total seclusion from the rest of the population, then the conversation would have been like this: (20.16). What is that in your right hand?" ?This is my staff; I recline on it, I beat down with it tree leaves for my sheep, and I use it for other things? (20.18). He said: ?Throw it down!". Calling by Name, "O Musa!" is to draw Musa's attention to the Wahi of Allah as and when He intends to convey the message, while he is in other activities. There is a lot to read to learn here; this is not possible until your line of approach is "learn to read".
QuoteAlso, find me one verse that is similar to 20.16-18 involving Muhammad. Find me one verse in which God speaks to Muhammad without using an angel/messenger. Brother, those verses don't exist. You can't substantiate what you are trying to project. God speaking to Muhammad is nowhere in Quran. It's time you face this truth.
ps: its kind of funny you cite the exact same verse I gave you earlier, and you start distorting it
I will answer to you when your occupancy and mood is changed to read to learn
And I want to know you if you read and re-read to learn from the ayat cited below"
2.253 Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah has spoken to, while some of them He exalted in degree...
Please say to me who are all those messengers Allah had directly talked to...
Bear not the burden, by Allah
7.189
And He created you from the Same Soul; and from it He created its companion for solace - when one sought the comfort of another
@, they began to bear the burden; and when the burden became unbearable, they both turned to their God and said, ?If you deliver us by Your Mercy, we will be grateful.?
@ Allah created mankind by breathing His Ruh, into the soul; and He created companions for the soul, similarly bearing His Ruh, its function being the Guidance and the Benevolence in Truth, all through one?s life. When they increased in their comforts and pleasures in the companionship they forgot the Benevolence of the Most Benevolent and thus did fail in His remembrance and show of gratitude 43/36; so shaitan followed them and led them astray making them both bear the burden of the evils that their own hands had worked. When they both realized it is beyond their ability to bear the increasing burden any further, they both turned to their God and said, ?If You deliver us of the burden by Your Mercy, we will both be grateful unto You.? And Allah accepted their call and delivered them from their misfortunes; but then they became forgetful and fell again - this time, committing the worst crime i.e., they set up partners unto Allah.
8.12 Your God inspired the angels@ saying, ?Verily I am with you; so strengthen those who believe; I will cast terror in the hearts of those who disbelieve; you shall smite at their necks and smite off their fingers.?
@ In a predominantly disbelieving wicked population around the globe from every denomination of all sects and religions such as Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Budhism etc., if a believer in One God, in His Judgment, in His Angels, in His Book and in His Prophets 2/177, 285 - is surviving amidst the thick of the disbelieving populace, it is because of the God send angels to strengthen his soul, mind, heart and feet. As believers, the third very important asset and assertion to them from God is the support and reinforcement sent through His angels 41/30, 31. And after our belief in Allah and in His Decree, we shall strive to make the malayikas - the angels, friends to us by His Leave. Believing in the Book, the Quran comes as the 4th proviso and the 5th and the last is the belief in the Prophets who stood as perfect models to all the previous 4 provisions Allah has made mandatory upon a believer. But the tragedy lies in a common islamic believer in that he says he believes in Allah and the Prophet, throwing the mandatory other three provisions away ignorantly. The order of Allah is lost for any one who says, ?I believe in Allah and in His Prophet.? So say from now onwards as Kalima, the Pledge: I believe in Allah;; I believe in His Last Day; I believe in His Malayika, the Angels; I believe in the Book; and I believe in the Prophets who we shall believe are not to be considered dead but are living models of the Book, living with us as immortals. Belief in this immortal presence of all the prophets with each of us is possible only if we believe and make the angels as friends and as protectors, by Allah?s permission.
8.13 This is because they did do injustice to Allah and His messenger; whoever does injustice to Allah and His messenger surely Allah is severe in punishing.
To safeguard us from this wrath of Allah it is time we believed in Him, in His Last Day, in His Angels and in His Book before we say we believe in the Prophets of Allah.
8.14 It will be said, ?Taste this! Surely there is punishment of fire, for the disbelievers.?
This torment of fire is eternal for there is no death for them; and their skins will be constantly renewed in such swiftness even as it is burnt that we will never see it getting burnt at all but they will fully suffer the burning of fire in its totality; we see such suffering in millions of people with diabetes who have burning feet and legs; but they do not see any burning of the skin.
8.34 But why should Allah not punish them? They trespass and bar the people in their ?righteous houses @?, while they are not its custodians; but for the righteous shall be its guardians; yet most of them understand not.
@ Each one has his God-given house i.e, The God's House; and God expects one and all to be pious and be grateful to Him for the same, so that Allah makes their houses Sacred; and the households would guard The House as the ?gift of God? keeping them close to their hearts, as Sacred-mosques; no affliction nor adversity would ever touch its people. Its people - wherever they go forth from it, their minds will all the time be circumventing (tawaf) The House and the household with full of piety and heartfelt prayers, wishing their households to stay pure only for Allah.
8.75
Who are your real relations?
8.75 And following this, those who believed and emigrated and strove in the path of Allah in the just war with you, they too are of you; and by Allah?s decree, they are your lawful kindred; one is very closely related to another; Allah is surely cognizant of all things.
Sahih International: And those who believed after [the initial emigration] and emigrated and fought with you - they are of you. But those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of all things.
Quote from: drfazl on May 28, 2015, 08:42:04 PM
8.75
Who are your real relations?
8.75 And following this, those who believed and emigrated and strove in the path of Allah in the just war with you, they too are of you; and by Allah?s decree, they are your lawful kindred; one is very closely related to another; Allah is surely cognizant of all things.
Sahih International: And those who believed after [the initial emigration] and emigrated and fought with you - they are of you. But those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of all things.
peace,
Allah's decree for the believers in Him, the Righteous; He talks about the real relations with Him - He brings His relations together as close relations wherever they are..
(2.148 - And for each one is His direction, towards which he turns; and race to it for good;
wherever that you will be, Allah will bring you all together. Indeed Allah has power over all things.)
peace
Husband-wife relation
Parent-children relation
Brothers and sisters relation
And other immediate and distant relations......Money and material are the base for all these relationships. If we dont satisfy other's expectation, then the relationship breaks away. Certainly everyone will realise this truth in their life. Thats why allah says this(blood relation) is not true relation. ---Those who follow allah and messenger's guidance,and other true believers,they are our true relations--- .
Well said @dr.rks!
I expect no less of an unsealed mind. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BZdEvM4sgY)
SLM
The Law of The Land
9.5
9.5 When the sacred months
@ end - sever the criminals on the spot; and seize them; and surround them; and keep vigil over their hideouts. But whoever repents and amends in the path of God while purifying them through spending, then allow them freedom; surely Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful.
@ Sacred months are the amnesty period given to the dreaded criminals to lay down their arms and surrender to the Law; they are rebellious defy, deny and reject the Law of Land; they cause corruption in the land and create fear amidst the people who love peaceful living,. These are the disobeying unbelievers - the criminals amidst the well-mannered, peace-loving people of a country - they are to be severed or cut off from the society through arrest and removed to confinement. Such dreaded criminals who elude the law causing terror in the land shall even be shot down in encounter at their very sight. The constitution of the Land shall also bear in mind that Forgiveness and Mercy shall be of paramount consciousness while framing the Law. Such Sacredness must be the backbone of The Constitution. But if the disbelievers become challengers to the Sacred Constitution itself, and refuse to surrender, despite the offer of amnesty, then, when the offer of their sacred period is over: shoot at sight!
Four Months
or
Four Qualities
9.36 By Allah?s word, from the time the skies and the earth were created the months are twelve; in them four is Sacred
@- and this is the straight path. Therefore in those months wrong not yourselves; and as the wrongful devise against you all, you too stand firm against them all; verily, Allah is with those who are God fearing.
@ The four sacred are: Keeping up Faith in Allah and the Last Day; Forgiving people; showing them Guidance; and seeking Patience from Allah. This in essence is: Believing in Allah and doing Good, so that we reach paradises in the hereafter, through blissful lives in this world. This is the straight path of Allah. If you miss out on these Four, then you have wronged yourselves.
Mosques
The Baith ul Haram
9.107 And those who erected Mosque
@ to cause evil, to help in transgression, to create schisms among the believers and to make it a refuge for those who rebelled against Allah and His messenger, say, ?By Allah, we certainly intend not but good? - but surely Allah witnesses against them as ?liars!?
@ Today there are these ?mosques? of various denominations much greater in numbers than the religious divisions itself, that rebel against Allah?s decree that you shall not fall into schisms 6/159; each of these mosques are shelters to those who transgress and wish dissent and divisions in the path of Allah and who defied the guidance of His messengers. And Allah says to us not to stand in such mosques; and further Allah guides us to the real mosques which is definitely a gift of God to us all. The houses we have constructed is a gift from Him to us for, from the beginning of its foundation we lay every stone with reverence and piety for Allah; and after the construction, before we enter into it, we seek Allah?s protection and enter in it with fear for Allah and with prayers, remembering and invoking every one of His Names. And the households remember Him and chant His Names at times of crises. They restrain from evil and maintain purity at heart while calling upon Allah during distresses - and Allah says, ?There is Your House, as a gift from Me.? Therefore we are to stay and make our houses as mosques - as the ?gift of Allah? and stand firm in it by His Names, fearing Him - thus purifying The House i.e., make each of your houses ?Bait ul haram?.
9.108 Therefore never stand in the Mosque ever; but assuredly there is this Mosque - The House of God constructed in piety from the beginning which is absolutely worthy for you to stay; and those who dwell in it wish cleanliness and purity. And Allah does love the people, Pure.
9.109 Who is best - The one who constructed with piety, seeking Allah?s contentment as foundation or the one who sought his own over-riding pride as base? And it will fall into hell along with him, crumbling; and Allah does not guide the wicked.
The Day 1 Of Ramadhan
Read 2.185 and clarify first to a great extent possible on our own; and do not ask others; do not follow any one other than what Allah reveals to us in our thinking process; if we know when we think on our own, there is none hearing our thoughts except Allah; He would inform us most questions we ask Him i.e., when we ask within ourselves; when we have some question in our mind it is Allah who sets forth our thoughts in ascent. It is an endless journey for the thought process leads to questions such as why? what? when? where? how and so on, without a pause. If we are believesr that God will listen to and answer our prayers, then will He not answer when we ask Him to show us His path? Will He deny His path to us? What is our answer? He will not deny. Yes this is the answer from Allah to us all. So we follow Allah; and not the people around us.
We shall go on asking questions within us for which Allah alone shall answer, if Allah knows we would only follow Him when the answer comes from Him...
2.185
The month of Ramadhan is that in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever envisions let him fast therein, and whoever is ill or on a journey - then on other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that to which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful.
Concentrate on the blue highlight alone.
A month comprises of 30 days of the calendar year of 365 days; you can take one month comprising of consecutive 30 days out of the 12 months; or you can pick up 30 specific days of utmost important to you to show your gratitude to Allah, out of the 365 days. These important days are such days when Allah reveals a verse of the Quran to you or a part of the verse of Quran that clearly elevates you to a better level of understanding about the various verses during the course of your life through the years.
When one needs guidance it means he expects some difficult situation ahead or he is presently seized with it; as believers we shall know 'no guidance is better than God's'. And Allah's direction to us is go to the Book and read it for the guidance; and while reading keep in your mind your stressful situation i.e., you are 'citing' and 're-citing' your own situation with total application of your mind to the Guidance i.e., the Book of Allah. This 're-citing' is called 'Reciting' as you 'Read' the Book for Guidance. The meaning of Quran is 'Read and Recite' while awaiting only Allah's guidance.
Let us Read the following verse as we Recite each of our own situation to it: 6.63 Say: "Who is it that delivers you from the darkness of land and sea, when you call upon Him in humility and silent terror and when you said: 'If He only delivers us from these we shall truly show our gratitude'?"
33.17 Say, "Who is it that can protect you from Allah if He intends for you an ill or intends for you a mercy?" And they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or any helper.
When we surrender to God while reciting the Book, it is He who gives us the wisdom and it is He who transforms the wisdom into functional knowledge with clarity and clear proof that guides us wade through the difficulties without a difficulty. So whoever sights the revelation of the verses as they re-cite Quran, let them fast on that Days of Ramadhan.
Each individual has his own stress and strain; one's suffering is never the same as that of another; and so for each the guidance differs; and the Book is the guidance to all the people of all the worlds; and the timing of the delivery of the guidance to each is with Allah - and when it is delivered by Allah, that is the day when of the Quran is revealed to you; and that is the Day One of your RAMADHAN.
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peace,
all praise to Allah for guiding into Ramadan.
peace.
The Musjid ul Haram
10.87
10.87 So We sent down Our Command to Musa and his brother: ?Both of you build for your people houses in the city; and make your houses,
?the Qibla? - the direction of worship! And in it establish the Command of your God firmly - and give glad tiding to the believers.?
Qibla - The Direction of Worship. The houses in which we are given shelter, rest, food, peace, love of life and solace to the heart 106/1-4 are the gift of Allah to each of us; they are not our houses but Allah?s Grace. And by Allah?s leave keep your houses pure for Allah and safeguard them from shaitans? allurements; and let the households fear Allah all the time they abide therein. They are the God-given sanctuaries for the believers wherefrom they set out during rain and sunshine 106/2. And wherever you are - seek in your prayers to Allah, directing all your faces and thoughts with all your hearts 2/126, 144, towards the purity and safety of your houses and of the households - thus keep them aloft as your ?Bait ul Haram?. And observe in it Allah?s command in total surrender and in abject subjugation - sujud, in your Bait ul Haram so as to transform it into the Musjid ul Haram.
Firaun's body
or
The Firaun himself?
10.92 ?But on this day, We will preserve about you
@ for the generations that will follow; surely most among mankind are negligent toward Our Signs.?
@ Today there are claims that the ?mummy? of Firaun was found to have been in Egypt; and it has been found out to be among the preserved mummies until recently before the scientists and the archeologists conceptualized that the salt content of the mummy proved it was the body rescued from the red-sea some six thousand years ago - yet it is immaterial from the Quran point of view. We know all about Firaun until this day and we are able to witness many, many more ?Firauns? in the arena of the world leaders who bomb and blitz the nations, cities and towns and every village; and kill and silence the peace loving innocent children, the women, the young and the old and capture and torture them in no man?s lands. The world has to be saved from the Firauns; at least for Musa there was a sea route to cross across to a safe land; but now only there is the sky route to mount upon. Believe in Allah more and fear Him more; He might cleave asunder the skies for us and make the wisdom dawn in us to excel every living creature on this earth by His leave, the Most Exalted. This is the Sign of Firaun that Allah has preserved for us; the body of Firaun will not speak anything; but what Allah has revealed about Firaun proves to be true, that we witness the likes of Firaun everywhere. Only the prayer of Musa and Harun 10/88 to Allah will save us, if we are true in our claim to be believers: And Musa said, ?Our God, You have given to Firaun and his chieftains the embellishments and wealth of this world and therewith O our God, they make them stray away from Your path; our God, destroy their wealth and straiten their hearts; and they will not believe until they suffer a chastising punishment.?
11.41 Finally when the oven overflowed@, We said, ?Embark pairs of every livestock in the ship - except upon whom Our word has foregone, embark in it of your family and of the believers.? Except for a very few most did not believe with him.
@ Overflowing oven denotes such period when the flourishing wealth and the great numbers of the disbelievers made them overwhelmingly rejoice in their transgression and oppression(23/54,55,56) (9/25) (57/20).
Prophets were never killed by the disbelievers
And Allah has never let down any of His Prophets
11.59 Such are the Aad - they rejected the Signs of their God and schemed against His messengers
@; and they surrendered to every froward potentate.
@ Though Allah has mentioned Hud as their prophet, it is well concluded from the ayat above that there were messengers sent for them nationwide for every tribe (14/4). Every prophet brings the Book with them along with the Book that preceded him, purified of the human hands. Its example is mentioned in 3/3, 48; 5/11. Thus every nation belied their prophets and the Books they brought with them that which were given to the previous prophets; and plotted against all the Signs of Allah with a view to stripping them off and killing their prophethood and reduce their prophets to mere liars. Since Allah has said every prophet is no other than humans like any of us except that they are inspired through wahi - the intuition, which makes them a prophet or a messenger; so the disbelievers plotted against each of their prophethood in the first place (21/3; 23/24, 33, 38). And this is evident from the many ayats where Allah asks the disbelievers why then they had killed the prophets before: 2/61,91; 3/21, 112, 181; 4/155. Going by all these verses it is not to be construed that any of the prophets were killed physically by the disbelievers but they only belied the Books and the Signs or the verses therein and thus tried killing their prophethood. Every prophet was saved by Allah from physical killing, the example of which is given in the narration of Prophet Isa (4/157).
Quote from: drfazl on June 30, 2015, 07:17:28 AM
Prophets were never killed by the disbelievers
And Allah has never let down any of His Prophets
11.59 Such are the Aad - they rejected the Signs of their God and schemed against His messengers@; and they surrendered to every froward potentate.
@ Though Allah has mentioned Hud as their prophet, it is well concluded from the ayat above that there were messengers sent for them nationwide for every tribe (14/4). Every prophet brings the Book with them along with the Book that preceded him, purified of the human hands. Its example is mentioned in 3/3, 48; 5/11. Thus every nation belied their prophets and the Books they brought with them that which were given to the previous prophets; and plotted against all the Signs of Allah with a view to stripping them off and killing their prophethood and reduce their prophets to mere liars. Since Allah has said every prophet is no other than humans like any of us except that they are inspired through wahi - the intuition, which makes them a prophet or a messenger; so the disbelievers plotted against each of their prophethood in the first place (21/3; 23/24, 33, 38). And this is evident from the many ayats where Allah asks the disbelievers why then they had killed the prophets before: 2/61,91; 3/21, 112, 181; 4/155. Going by all these verses it is not to be construed that any of the prophets were killed physically by the disbelievers but they only belied the Books and the Signs or the verses therein and thus tried killing their prophethood. Every prophet was saved by Allah from physical killing, the example of which is given in the narration of Prophet Isa (4/157).
peace,
10.103 We thus protect Our messengers and the believers; and it is upon Us to protect the believing ones.
And Allah knows His believers; all praise to Allah, savior of believers.
peace
12.37 He said, ?Not the food@ you are provided with will come to both of you but I will explain the meanings of it to both of you, before it touches you both; and this is of what my God has taught me; verily I have abandoned the path of the people who reject Allah and disbelieve in the last day.?
@ ?The food? indicates - ?before their last feeding inside the prison; and before their free-food following that?.
Reap the Best out of your Dreams
Follow Prophet Yusuf
12.38 ?I am following the righteous path of my forefathers Ibrahim, Ishaq, Yaqub; it does not befit us associating anything to Allah - this, a Mercy upon us and upon all the people from Allah; but most men show not gratitude.?
12.39 ?O the two companions of prison! which is good - presence of different gods differing, or Allah, the One God, Supreme??
12.40 ?Those whom you worship besides Him are but what you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent down a proof for them; No one has the Authority, except the One, Allah; and He has ordained that none shall be called upon but Him - this is the straight path. But most men understand this not.?
From 12/38-40 is the essence and part of the Book, Al Quran given to the Prophet Yusuf, which he delivered to the prisoner companions, before the interpretation of their dreams is decreed by Allah; one of the two prisoners has accepted the prophet?s message while the other differed. This admonition goes on in the prison, for a term appointed for them; finally the Judgment Hour arrives for the two and Allah passes the decree upon both through His prophet, Yusuf. If only the other has not differed with the prophet, His decree would have been different, and the explanation of his dream would have been beautiful. He would not have been crucified, but freed for a prosperous life as one who would have fed the birds, rather than the birds feeding on him. We have to follow the prophet Yusuf by adhering to the three ayats 12/38-40 to
get all beauteous things in our lives from our dreams and save ourselves from the disastrous consequences of our dreams. Before Allah?s decrees is passed on our dreams, we shall take care not to differ with our prophet Yusuf.
12.41 ?O my two companions of prison, one of you will serve his master with wine; and the other will be crucified and the birds will eat of his head; the matter is decided whereon ye twain enquire.?
Shirt against shirt
12.93 ?Take this, my shirt
@ and put it on my father?s face and he will regain sight; and bring all your kindred to me.?
@ Yusuf gave his shirt he wore at a time when he was sold to Aziz of Misr as an innocent child, whose bodily fragrance his father could never forget and asked his brothers to put it on his father?s face to smell his presence; only this will ascertain his father, that Yusuf, his dear son is alive and make his father become lively from his gloom of grief with his sight now brightening. The shirt gains prominence here because, it is one of the shirts of Yusuf upon which his brothers smeared false blood to make his father believe that Yusuf was eaten by a wolf.
Follow Prophet Yusuf
Fall not to eye specialists!
12.96. Then when the bringer of good news, cast the shirt on his face, he regained his sight
@. He said, ?Did I not say to you, I know from Allah that which you do not know??
@ Old age sight defects are due to worry, sadness, fear about gloomy future, continued grief over the loss of what you had doted. If one has old aged sight defects, he shall by the leave of Allah get relieved of all the above emotions to get his or her sight back.
Quote from: drfazl on July 18, 2015, 07:03:35 PM
Follow Prophet Yusuf
Fall not to eye specialists!
12.96. Then when the bringer of good news, cast the shirt on his face, he regained his sight@. He said, ?Did I not say to you, I know from Allah that which you do not know??
@ Old age sight defects are due to worry, sadness, fear about gloomy future, continued grief over the loss of what you had doted. If one has old aged sight defects, he shall by the leave of Allah get relieved of all the above emotions to get his or her sight back.
Do you think you're doing some good deed by telling the elderly or people with sight problems to reject the technologies that Allah has taught people which can help them improve their vision and live a better life and be grateful to Allah? Allah takes credit in the Qur'an for putting the ships on the sea, these are all creations of Allah. Medical treatments, glasses, and other technologies like hearing aids and other things have helped people lots, and people should be grateful to God for them. I find it really quite sinful to tell people to reject medicine if they are sick, when it is Allah who is behind all these technologies which can help people. Prosthetic limbs, metal plates, certain medicines, and much more.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 18, 2015, 07:36:03 PM
Do you think you're doing some good deed by telling the elderly or people with sight problems to reject the technologies that Allah has taught people which can help them improve their vision and live a better life and be grateful to Allah?
Welcome!
I think I am doing the best not only to the elderly people but the youngest ones too. I was only quoting of the Sign 12/96 from the Signs of Quran.
Has Allah taught the technologies, that works on fire? Show me an ayat to confirm your assertion. I think Allah has created all living things out of water 24/45 is what Quran says about creations. All fiery things are from jinns and the jinns are the masters of the fiery technologies. And most mankind have become companions to his illusionary misadventure 6/128 - their missionaries of machineries. Show me an ayat now to assert your claim that Allah has asked you to turn away and follow your technologies that run on fire and not return to Him at all, before we proceed to the rest of your tales below.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 18, 2015, 07:36:03 PM
Allah takes credit in the Qur'an for putting the ships on the sea, these are all creations of Allah. Medical treatments, glasses, and other technologies like hearing aids and other things have helped people lots, and people should be grateful to God for them. I find it really quite sinful to tell people to reject medicine if they are sick, when it is Allah who is behind all these technologies which can help people. Prosthetic limbs, metal plates, certain medicines, and much more.
Quote from: drfazl on July 19, 2015, 10:41:27 PM
Welcome!
I think I am doing the best not only to the elderly people but the youngest ones too. I was only quoting of the Sign 12/96 from the Signs of Quran.
Has Allah taught the technologies, that works on fire? Show me an ayat to confirm your assertion. I think Allah has created all living things out of water 24/45 is what Quran says about creations. All fiery things are from jinns and the jinns are the masters of the fiery technologies. And most mankind have become companions to his illusionary misadventure 6/128 - their missionaries of machineries. Show me an ayat now to assert your claim that Allah has asked you to turn away and follow your technologies that run on fire and not return to Him at all, before we proceed to the rest of your tales below.
Ever heard of this?
4:78
...? Say: "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?
Ever heard of this:
45:12
22:65
14:32
(Yes, "ships" run over the sea water, but they are a "technology" usually credited to humans, but Allah takes credit for them, and "All" things are created by Allah, the good and the bad.)
16:20
"Created Nothing"
Allah the acclaimed inventor of everything also takes credit for "fire" here:
36:80
and has used the element of fire in several ways, such as in the case with Musa, and then extensively in hell, making "garments of fire" and other things.
Jinn are made of a fiercely hot fire the way humans are made out of clay, that doesn't mean "Jinn are the masters of fiery technology" and "humans are the masters of clay technology", nothing like that has ever been said in the Qur'an, but instead Allah is seen repeatedly taking credit for "All" meaning everything in existence, good, bad, ugly, beautiful, fire, water, clay, art, technology, ships, shops, economy, everything is the invention and creation of God, nothing else creates anything. Even if a human is credited with a discovery or invention, it is God who made it so, it is not a human who created anything at all.
34:10
Technology
2:29
Everything
6:101
Everything
27:88
Everything, not "some things"
20:50
Everything
50:38 "All that is between" Everything, Everything, down to your thoughts, actions, technologies, there is no other creator. To say that there are other creators is shirk.
18:7
All that is on Earth
37:96
"Created YOU and ALL YOUR HANDIWORK" Not yelling at you, just capitalizing for emphasis.
6:12
18:96
Fire technology at work, God given.
55:24
Technology credited usually to humans is credited to God repeatedly in the Qur'an.
22:65
Controller of everything absolutely
2:164
That is of use to men.
10:57
Medicines and all knowledge are from God alone, not jinn, God has no partners.
34:41
Do not be like the people who credit jinn as creators. (I know you don't worship them, but you are attributing creation to them when Allah is the sole creator, they did not create or produce any of these ideas, God alone did, even if jinn were involved or humans were involved in getting ideas or taking actions it is God doing All, All is from God, All creation, Everything, there is no other producer, inventor, or creator of anything good or evil, be it thoughts, actions, events, technologies, or anything else, and Allah is the one who operates them in every detail, if a technology does not work one day it is Allah who is causing that, and if it does work, it is Allah who is causing that. Islam is about eliminating from yourself the tendency to think wrongly and fall into shirk, attributing creation to other powers when there are no other powers, everything is powerless to act it is God alone who acts and performs everything, is the only power, holds up the birds, and grows out the beards, makes the electricity flow through the wires, the jinns can not do anything, nor can the humans, it is Allah doing everything, the jinns and the humans only do what Allah wills, willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly, as God chooses and decides everything).
16:20
They can not create anything.
28:68
They can't choose, decide, or determine anything.
76:30 and 81:29
They can not even WILL to do anything, they can not even DESIRE a thing except if Allah wills them to desire it, even the desires are a creation of God.
There is no power but God, there is no strength but God, there is nothing to fear but God, there is no creator but God, there is no hope but God, there is no savior but God, there is no harm but God, there is no refuge or escape but God, there is no place, no sanctuary, no haven, no peace, but God, but God, but God, but God!
57:22
If you consider it evil or good, it is from God. All is from God, God creates it, God manifests it, God eliminates it. There is no other power in operation.
18:39
No strength whatsoever to produce anything or do anything.
4:90
27:60
3:13
29:17
No power to give you anything.
21:87
16:79
Not just birds, but all reality, all events, all people, all actions, all technologies, all the jinn too.
It is not just "some things" but ALL.
2:106
9:39
47:19
That does not mean the rejection of God's medicine, just like God gave Noah the knowledge to build a ship rather than simply making him and the animals fly in the sky or walk on water which also was possible. God gives the technology too, it is a creation of God, so if someone is sick they should not reject the medicine and suffer out of foolish arrogance, rejecting the gifts of God which have helped humanity.
This is why it is wrong to tell someone to die when they have the option to take the medicine and thank God for the medicine, as it is God who produced it and informed people by whatever means, and God who made it work. Not jinn, not humans, but God alone.
To say to God "no! I want it this way, not another way" is just arrogance, and even that arrogance is from God too, and the misguidance as well, and thinking you are right, and whatever else. Same goes for me.
"No! I won't take the medicine! I want you to give it to me a certain way!"
It isn't right, and it isn't right to tell people to do that either or make them doubt that God alone is the power, the creator, the giver of everything, the inventor of everything.
Even if evil things are invented by a human or anything else, it is still God behind all of it. The Qur'an repeatedly makes this evident in so many statements, but even if it hadn't it is the case if anyone uses their common sense and logic and has a correct concept and is not prone to "shirk" or the "sharing" of attributed powers or acts with other than God as creators or performers.
We are in a situation where we are entirely under the control of God even if we don't realize it, the jinn included, and you are using a technology based on the "fire" of electricity and electrical signals right now. So don't be silly about these things, but will you listen? I doubt it really.
You probably have some grudge with me, and I also don't like how you've approached me multiple times, so don't worry about convincing me of anything, because if you say ANYTHING other than "All is from God" and ANYTHING other than "Allah alone holds sway, power, and control over everything" and ANYTHING other than "Everything that is, is the will of God, there is no other will but God's will and no other strength or power but God's power" and ANYTHING other than "God alone control harm and benefit, good and evil", I will not concede to it insha'Allah, and I will not perform idiotic logical errors which are shirk.
So either abide strictly by what I am telling you from the Qur'an, or else you are denying that "All is from God" that "God created everything" that "God controls everything" and much more. You are attributing other creators, other actors, other wills besides the will of God:
6:107
6:112
10:16
16:93
6:35
12:76
2:253
5:48
7:188
2:220
42:24
2:251
11:118
13:11
and so on and so forth.
So don't think I am mocking, and don't think you can ever "beat" me at what I am teaching, which is pure non-shirk.
This is not a competition where out of envy or anything else you might think it is wise to attack me or try to "teach" me anything while not paying attention to what I am saying.
What I am telling you is for your benefit and the benefit of all the people watching, but anyone who says "Jinn created this, it is not from God, when you are sick reject medicine for this reason or any other reason" this is both senseless, wrong, and full blown shirk, spreading both disease spiritually and physically.
I also understand if you do not change your stance to what I am telling you, it is due to God who has constrained you just as God has constrained me, but this is something to realize, not to be proud of that God has put the curse of shirk into the mouths of some people or into their understanding. It is a dreadful thing, and God is the one who should be feared, and only God can save you and save your mind.
I'm very sorry if it sounds harsh, and you'll probably come up with some annoying or insulting reply, and I really don't care at all except that you're increasing in sin if you don't simply say "Yes, Allah alone is the creator and the power, the jinn and the humans have not really invented anything, and the technologies (good or evil, harmful or beneficial) are all from God ultimately and entirely, there are no partners with God".
Then we are on the same terms, and you are saying something right. If you defy that, then you are performing shirk, and sufficient is Allah to me, anything other than what I am saying or similar will not insha'Allah be acknowledged by me or "respected" in the least.
You know why I'm so vicious man? Because I DESPISE SHIRK. God has put such a hatred in my heart for shirk that I can understand the violence performed by Ibrahim in his demonstrations. Shirk is an abomination, and it is not out of love of God even, but hating lies and hating self-deception that I wish for the destruction of shirk and all the followers of shirk.
You should be vicious like me too towards the same things, rather than being mean to me or harassing me or annoying me. If I'm a devil with fangs and wild eyes, it is the throat of shirk I will tear open and let its black blood spill and spit it back in its ugly face. Lies are despicable, especially in a world where we already have so much trouble, we don't need lies and liars on top of it.
So your options are as follows:
Either conform to what I am saying or
Deny what I am saying (you are performing shirk then openly).
If you want to make me angry, it is easy, simply pronounce blasphemies and utter shirk, and watch me roar and be filled with rage.
If you want to make me happy, simply say "Allah alone is the power, there is no power but Allah, no creator but Allah, all inventions belong to Allah, all deeds go back to Allah, Allah can harm us, Allah can benefit us, nothing else can harm us or benefit us, everything in the heavens and the earth and all that is in between, all creation, it all is from Allah, there is no other giver of experiences, information, events, thoughts, deeds."
If you do not do this, then you are not making me happy.
21:80 and 34:11
Chainmail, a technology made with the assistance of fire, all from Allah, there is nothing that isn't from Allah.
13:17
57:25
Iron and all metals as well, crafted for use with fire technologies.
Though these are not even important examples, what is important is to recognize what was written about, regardless of any of this, you must abolish shirk from the mentality for your own sake.
peace,
5.51 - O Believers, ... Certainly Allah guides not the evildoers.
9.24 - Say: .......then await a command from Allah; and Allah guides not the sinners.
in this two verse Allah guides us that He will not guide the evildoers/sinners. what i understand from it: evildoing or sinning is my rejection/ shirk of God. so when i reject, i shirk God. then i'm not guided by Him but He only allows me in my defiant rejection. it does not mean God blessed the evil, He brings chances for me to mend else i have to meet the end - hell fire.
freedomstands, in all of your posts, i find you stand in Allah alone, except that your saying good and evil also created by Allah. in that i slightly differ, good from Allah blessed and the bad from my rejection, allowed by Allah not blessed by Him. man's invention and creation which brings destruction, evil, hardship, pain, etc., are his rejection / shirk to the One God. i bring one of the verse as a source for my this understanding:
2.26 - .....With this He sends many astray; and guides many in the straight path; yet, except the evil ones He shall not let go astray.
our criterion helps in identifying the signs of good and the evil to choose. our today's situation is the result of our choosing in the past. what we choose today is going to be our future; good or bad.
peace
Quote from: DrGm on July 20, 2015, 05:28:34 AM
peace,
5.51 - O Believers, ... Certainly Allah guides not the evildoers.
9.24 - Say: .......then await a command from Allah; and Allah guides not the sinners.
in this two verse Allah guides that He will not guide the evildoers/sinners. what i understand from it: evildoing or sinning is my rejection/ shirk of God. so when i reject, i shirk God. then i'm not guided by Him but He only allows me in my defiant rejection. it does not mean God blessed the evil, He brings chances for me to mend else i have to meet the end - hell fire.
freedomstands, in all of your posts, i find you stand in Allah alone, except that your saying good and evil also created by Allah. in that i slightly differ, good from Allah blessed and the bad from my rejection, allowed by Allah not blessed by Him. man's invention and creation which brings destruction, evil, hardship, pain, etc., are his rejection / shirk to the One God. i bring one of the verse as a source for my this understanding:
2.26 - .....With this He sends many astray; and guides many in the straight path; yet, except the evil ones He shall not let go astray.
our criterion helps in identifying the signs of good and the evil to choose. our today's situation is the result of our choosing in the past. what we choose today is going to be our future; good or bad.
peace
Let us see if we can bring our difference to 0 so that we are in line with one another.
When one says "it is from me" they are basically saying a few things:
"I have the power to alter what happens, thus influence God and God follows after me"
"God does not control everything, but relies on another power, which can be called Chance, which means "it can go this way or it can go that way", and thus God is not the Ultimate Determiner, but Chance is, therefor I do not worship God, but Chance, whatever is the Ultimate Determiner"
There is just no way around it, it can not be stated in any other way than what I am saying. If one claims "this thing is not from God in any way" then they are stating the existence of some other source of creation.
The Qur'an itself flatly states "All is from God" ALL, ALL, ALL. It does not say "some" it does not say "most" it says ALL. It says it in reply to people saying "the good is from God, the bad is from yourselves" then it says "ALL IS FROM GOD" and says "WHAT IS WITH YOU THAT YOU CAN'T GRASP IT?" and then repeats "THE GOOD FROM GOD, THE BAD FROM YOURSELVES". It did not just contradict itself one verse later, it said basically that silly people say "the good is from God, the evil is from yourself" and then said to reply to that "ALL IS FROM GOD" then said "THE GOOD FROM GOD, THE BAD FROM YOU" meaning "ALL is from GOD, the GOOD FROM GOD is from God, the Bad from you is from God".
The Qur'an makes this clear in other verses which I have shown elsewhere and even above. "Any evil that befalls you, in yourselves" is decreed and "brought into existence" by God alone.
Then it says all harm is from God alone.
Then it says you can't even will anything except God wills it.
Then it says they wouldn't do evil, except that God wills them to do it.
Then it says God chooses for guidance whoever, and misguides whoever.
Then it says God created for hell many, created them deaf, dumb, and blind so they can not comprehend anything.
God is not "condition based" is not being "driven" by us, but "driving" us.
God repeatedly says "controls everything" "created everything"
Everything means Everything, not "some things" not "most things" but ALL things, that includes EVERYTHING from your thoughts to your deeds and actions and even your will and desires which is stated explicitly, even in the Bible and other scriptures from around the world besides the Qur'an which states it also repeatedly.
There is just no way around it. It is also Scientific, it is also Common Sense, it is also Logical and the only possible conclusion. There are no other possibilities, because no matter what you will be doing shirk otherwise, you will be attributing things falsely, you will be making God a slave rather than a Master, you'll be making another Master like "Chance", and I worship only the ULTIMATE nothing LESSER, nothing that LOOKS TO OTHERS. The Qur'an says God determines and chooses everything, "no choice had they" no choice whatsoever. If God wants to destroy anyone, it will be Be, if God wants to make an evildoer, it will be.
The Qur'an says God sets up the enemies, God sends the devils and shaitans of human and jinnkind, God does it all, from the carrying of the birds, to the breathing and heartbeat and growth of mankind to the kindling of the fire to the thunder and the sneeze and the fart.
God even takes credit for the "laughter and tears" when it says "He alone causes you to laugh and to weep".
There is no way around it. No matter which way one looks it comes around again, either through Science, Common Sense, Logic, Scripture, or anything else.
We are bound slaves, we are clay vessels, we are animated action figures that God is driving forth wherever God wants.
If you had a choice about ANYTHING it would alter everything everywhere, because even where you STEP is precise, and that moment you have killed a certain insect, and been delayed a certain moment, so that ten days later a car did not hit you had you stepped any sooner or later.
God even says that you will be walked to the place of your death and will die there exactly at the precise moment, it is all determined and measured, there is no altering the course whatsoever.
We're left helpless before the overriding power of God, and those who are made grateful will be grateful and worship and may be saved, but even that God can do anything at all, is bound by nothing at all, totally free, thus can destroy Jesus and his mother as it is claimed in the Qur'an, not bound by any "partners" like how the old polytheists used to name the partners things like "Love" "Justice" or anything else, God creates those concepts, rules them, implants them, changes them, destroys them freely. God is the only Free Will, the only unconditioned Power, there is no power.
All the "names" of God are factual statements. It is not that God is The Great because of our statement of approval, it is that NOTHING has any power or status but GOD. It is Absolute. Again, God alone has the information to literally know and experience accurately the suffering of anyone, literal Compassion which we can not ever have because if we experienced what another experiences, we would BE encompassing that person, and we do not have access to that experience. God is literally the only Judge, literally the only Decider, literally all those names, they are factual logical statements.
So make your religion 0 deviation from these statements, and you'll have 0 shirk in it.
This is because when someone says "I choose"
They are not only defying the statements of the Qur'an which say you never choose, and can not even will anything, and can not even be pure or save yourself in any way, and have no strength or power even to wake up or exist or move except that Allah is doing it all, and not at your command, but you're doing it at the command of Allah, but they are also defying logic and not paying attention to the implications of what they are saying.
If you choose anything, you are then the decider of the bug that gets crushed under your feet, and if it is not you, and it is not God, then it is "Chance" if "it could go this way, or it could go that way" and so then "Chance" is the Ultimate, and then whatever is being called "God" is nothing to worship and is not the determiner at all, but leaves things up to another power, and looks to another power for answers. We worship the Ultimate, we direct our prayers to the Ultimate, not to any lesser concept.
Yes, in the immediate sense, it appears to you and people that we decide this or that, but this is not actually what is happening. In a very atheistic scientific sense, all our decisions are "conditional" they are based on a domino effect of "causation" and prior conditions that are all created by God.
In the actual sense, God is directly generating all the information deliberately, nothing is left to "chance" in either form though, it is God then who is "chance" and "free will" and there is no other power or other God whatsoever.
So all shirk must be eliminated. Even at the expense of ideas of justice or whatever might be keeping people from speaking the truth.
God is the source of everything, the creator of everything, there can be NOTHING except if God makes it so, and God wills it.
Otherwise a person is saying "it has slipped out of God's grasp, it is not in God's control, there is another power running things, either me, or whatever else, and God is not doing it, but there are others that do, and act of their own accord, and God only runs after them and supports what they are doing, like a slave runs after a master to put a seat under them".
Blasphemy. Shun it. Abolish it. Make your religion like mine, make 0 deviation between it from the "little deviation" you mentioned, that is just the "little" bit of "shirk" or "sharing" that needs to be eliminated. You will feel the Surrender then perhaps even more, and the Fear of God who can turn any of us into fools and shirk maniacs in an instant, just as God can turn people into apes and pigs or anything else, and adds to or transforms the creation. God does so freely, not based on any merit, not based on any power of anyone, but God did the good deeds, God did the actions, God made them pray or not, God did it all from the start, all credit goes to God, "All is from God" ALL, the GOOD, the BAD, and the UGLY.
There is no other creator, there is no other power, there is no other will, there is no other actor, there is no other mover, there is no other, there is no other, there is no other.
Make yourself a shirk free robot/slave (robot comes from a word apparently that means slave).
Be the Zombie of Nzambi, knowingly, because you are "willingly or unwillingly" which the Qur'an says.
Be the Fettered One of Regnator Omnium Deus, knowingly, because you are "willingly or unwillingly" which the Qur'an says.
It is the arrogant fools, the ones God has deceived, as only God can deceive or guide, who are "shown" because of their dullness, the fetters around their necks, because they believed they were free to do as they please, while it was God who "led them, step by step" to their destruction.
We are fettered too, bound slaves, chained to whatever God wills for us good or bad, except God has been so kind as to at least inform some of us of our state, and our state, and the state of all things is Eternal Surrender. There is no other way, there is never Freedom from God, there is never another will, if God pulls out the puppeteering hold over us, we fall down dead and limp or cease to exist, we have no existence, we are nothing, we are empty, we are only what God tells us "Know, you know not". If God tells you that you're a Japanese man in 1950, you will be a Japanese man in 1950.
God can make it true that you have a staff in your hand, then can make it false that there is a staff and make it true that there is a snake, then make it false that there is a snake, and true that there is a staff. Total control over "information" and "information" is all we ever are.
God determines the "truth" and the "lies" and can switch them and is constantly rendering things false and other things true. For example, it appears "a moment ago I was saying this" but now it it false that "I am stating this" as I am stating some other thing now, and by this creation and destruction we operate and live.
God is the Supreme Ultimate, there is no other power, there is no other power, there is no other God, there is no other chooser, there is nothing but God alone that can act, we only exist for now because God wills it, and we have no means by which to save ourselves from God, we are in desperate need of God in order to exist and succeed, and God can destroy us freely, Fear God as God is meant to be Feared, there is no other Terror upon us, there is no other Hope. There is no where to Flee, We Surrender, We Surrender, We Surrender.
23:71
If Truth/Reality had followed their whims, Heaven and Earth would have collapsed in chaos, along with anyone who is in them. Rather We have brought them their Reminder, yet they keep avoiding their Reminder.
Even ONE STEP out of place, would change everything, see the "Butterfly effect" on wikipedia and how the tiniest change can have massive implications.
So it can only be like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Vgv2wej8w
There is just no way around it whatsoever without lying, shirk, ill logic, and ruin.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 02:51:23 AM
Ever heard of this?
4:78
...? Say: "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?
Freedomstands, I appreciate your flooding the page with the ayats of Allah but to what purpose? Do the ayats on the page say anything on the eye diseases or about the other thousands of human diseases the modern medical technology has listed and still growing ever strongly in numbers without ability to cure any of them making the patients regain normalcy as created by Allah in the first place?
Quote4:78
...? Say: "All is from God." What, then, is amiss with these people that they are in no wise near to grasping the truth of what they are told?
In 4.79 Allah speaks clearly to us:
Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your own technologies have wrought upon you.
This topic is concerning life and death with the modern technologies, with the inventions in medicines and the astuteness of the highly skilled specialised doctors as against the dictum of Allah.
I think I am doing the best not only to the elderly people but the youngest ones too. I was only quoting of the Sign 12/96 from the Signs of Quran.
4.78
Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, ?All are from Allah." So what is with those people that they can hardly understand any hadith?
Wherever you are, death will overtake you wholesomely or by your bodily parts in bits and pieces which means you cannot protect a person with all human inventions and even if all disciplines of specialists gathered together. Allah predestines everything that happens on the earth or in you before it comes to pass 57/22; Allah awaits a period of time, with you, showing you His Signs after Signs 46/27 to make you return soulfully unto His refuge alone, which period of time 29/53, and the place 3/154 and the Hour appointed to each of us 35/45 is hidden to us. He watches you keenly over all that you do 5/71; 57/4 - either against His pleasure or to His Pleasure.
Allah warns if he touches you with afflictions none can dispel it but He 6/17, & 10/107; and in the same verse His glad tiding is if he gives you the good none can avert it. Only the pride of whatever each possesses as his knowledge turns him away from and against Allah; he fails to remember Allah as he increases in his waxing, whereupon Allah joins him in close companionship 43/36; 58/19 with a like minded shaitan and he becomes his closest guardian; and the companion makes all his inventive technologies 41/25 of the past and the future look beautiful to him; such are the losers forever; it is not their eyes that are blind but it is the hearts in their bosoms that are blind 22/46.
Here are certain eye conditions where the technologically oriented doctors cannot dispel an affliction.
common blepharitis, lagophthalmos, blepharochalasis, ptosis, scleritis, glaucoma, band keratopathy, macular edema, uveitis, retinitis pigmentosa, retinoblastoma, chorioretinitis, retinoschisis , retinopathies of every sort, macular degeneration, disorders of the optic nerves, disorders of the ocular muscles, myasthenia and the list goes on endlessly.
Allah reveals us about all the prophets so that our Iman is strengthened in Him. It is well stated in the ayat 11/120 for all of us to follow. And in accordance with this ayat, if we stand by the prophets Yusuf, and Yaqub and follow them we shall not have diseases of sight and vision; there are no diseases in the eyes, but in your hearts, there is 2/10; let Allah not increase these disorders by increasing the diseases in our hearts and thereby in our community because of our rebellion to 6/17 and 10/107.
If you read 4:79, Allah speaks clearly to us: Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your hands have wrought upon you. Your health is from Allah and our diseases are due to the illness in the heart of hearts committing shirk. Allah knows what we hide in our bosoms and what we openly do.
Of course you speak from Quran, but I want you to answer sticking to the topic, please freedomstands. The eye diseases in quran and the ayats that say that the eyes are to be cured by the fire technology of the jinns; there are lots of verses about the eyesights in Quran which I hoped you would come up with; but unfortunately all your shipments have failed to deliver the good I asked for.
The Qur'an says "All is from God".
In ancient times they had less options and solutions for helping people with certain medical problems, today they have more, and if God so wills, in the future they may have solutions to other medical problems.
God provides the knowledge and the technology, is the inventor of "All".
Those things you called "flooding ayats" earlier were meant to demonstrate how God created all, I recommend you look at what I've been writing here to you and in the other posts as well.
If you say that not all is from God but there are other creators or sources of creation or powers that can act and create, you are performing shirk, and the Qur'an seems to say the curse of Allah is on those who perform shirk.
4:52 Such are those whom Allah has cursed! You will not find any helper for the one cursed by Allah.
4:53 Do they have a share in the kingdom (of Allah)? Had it been so, they would not have granted people even a speck on a date-stone.
Medical solutions have assisted many people in improving their conditions and life, and this help is from God, there is no other source of power, technology, knowledge, experience, information, insight, action, or anything else.
Anyone who says there are other sources and that "God did not create everything, only some things, while there were other creators of things that God did not create" then you are performing shirk plainly, and according to the Qur'an are totally cursed by Allah.
There are no ways around it really. Allah is the creator of everything, even if a jinn thinks of something, or a human, it is Allah behind all of it, creating all of that, putting them into action.
The harm and the benefit is from God alone, not from yourself, nothing is from yourself, even what you deem as being from yourself, the Qur'an says about that "All is from God", it does not follow that sentence by contradicting itself immediately and saying "All is from God, but not All, just some", so please cease and desist if that is what you're suggesting.
You either stop performing shirk, or you continue performing shirk. Those are the options. If you stop performing shirk, that will be better for you. You can continue to disregard the technologies invented by God to help humanity, where before they had been in even more difficulty regarding a great deal of medical issues, but to say that "God did not create everything" is absolute shirk, and that is where the problem is.
Those "flooding ayats" were to assist you in seeing what the Qur'an says.
QuoteLet us see if we can bring our difference to 0 so that we are in line with one another
yes, all is from Allah. this 'all' i understand is good and bad. in this all, i want only good (is there anyone out there who wants bad for himself) and so i want to differentiate good from bad because good and bad is created by Allah to give us our due - to get good obey Allah; obey not, all bad befall us.
i think you say that i cannot ask for good because it is Allah who decide good or bad for me. this is here i differ; i choose good by accepting Allah. if you say i cannot choose, i differ and i seek Allah's help to choose good.
in the context of the topic, i choose Allah instead of a doctor/medicine-man to cure me and i pray Him, "do not let us to a situation that we shirk, forgive us and purify us". what is your take - choose.
Quote from: DrGm on July 20, 2015, 09:15:11 AM
yes, all is from Allah. this 'all' i understand is good and bad. in this all, i want only good (is there anyone out there who wants bad for himself) and so i want to differentiate good from bad because good and bad is created by Allah to give us our due - to get good obey Allah; obey not, all bad befall us.
i think you say that i cannot ask for good because it is Allah who decide good or bad for me. this is here i differ; i choose good by accepting Allah. if you say i cannot choose, i differ and i seek Allah's help to choose good.
in the context of the topic, i choose Allah instead of a doctor/medicine-man to cure me and i pray Him, "do not let us to a situation that we shirk, forgive us and purify us". what is your take - choose.
Sounds almost fine to me. You said good and bad is from Allah, including everything, that is true. There is no other source of anything nor executor of any affairs. I am not suggesting we can't pray, but that whatever it is we pray or don't pray, that is ultimately from Allah. Basically it changes nothing much in our actions except if we are allowed to understand this or not, so it is basically irrelevant even though it is important to acknowledge, but I am not suggesting that there is no praying or asking for good or seeking good, if you seek good that is ultimately from Allah, if you don't seek good that is also from Allah, whatever you do is the will of Allah, it may be good for you, it may be bad for you.
Your not seeking medical assistance is also from Allah, it may be in your favor, it may not be in your favor, Allah knows, we do not know if it is in your favor or not. Allah may be guiding you, or may be leading you into harm. Whatever it is, your will, your desires, are all from Allah. If you choose to do this or choose to do that, it is only Allah who is actually choosing if you do this or if you do that.
So in our immediate circumstances, it appears we have a choice, so we should always choose the most beneficial options and judge carefully and wisely, but the Ultimate truth is that whatever it is that comes to our minds specifically is from God, we didn't create it, and we may be misled or harmed by what God makes happen, and God makes everything that happens, happen.
It is not shirk to accept medical services, just like it is not shirk to accept food from restaurant, or to allow someone to mend a tool or repair a shoe. Medicine is just a tool that can assist some people. Sometimes people have infections and anti-bacterial substances can kill the infection in order to help the body defend itself, and it is Allah who has taught people these things and given them this opportunity.
Allah can heal you miraculously too, and even medical technology and all things in existence can be considered miracles of Allah, but this specification is reminiscent of those who asked Jesus to bring down a tablespread from the sky in order to feed them, to which Allah replied that if they disbelieve after this point, they will be punished like no others. Similarly, the Jews were considered evil for their requests of onions while being provided Manna.
One should pray for healing, but that doesn't mean one should reject the medicine that comes, if that is what God intends to heal the person with. Just like God intended to put Noah in a boat and made him build one. Noah could've said "no! I want you to lift me up over the water, I will not depend on a boat!" and God could have drowned him.
So why is it that these people are demanding a very specific way that they should be healed while rejecting the technologies of Allah that have helped so many people?
Meanwhile, you're even using technologies like that constantly, even the computer.
The doctor is not the healer, it is Allah healing you, but the doctors sometimes by Allah's will and command and knowledge know certain methods now which can treat certain ailments, which if not treated properly can lead to harm and trouble for people.
"No! I want God to heal me in a certain way, not with medicines!" What is this stubborn issue? "If my hand gets cut off, I will not have it sown back on! I want God to make it fly up and re attach to my hand! I demand it be so! I will pray for that, and will accept no other method of help from God!"
Do you see?
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 07:12:46 AM
The Qur'an says "All is from God".
4.79 What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself. And We have sent you, to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.
Please explain. Let us go slow.
All is from God? Or only Good is from God? And is not bad only from you?
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 07:12:46 AM
In ancient times they had less options and solutions for helping people with certain medical problems, today they have more, and if God so wills, in the future they may have solutions to other medical problems.
Allah made to suffer all ancient people with no options other than Allah? Today Allah has helped you with more and more options other than Allah? And tomorrow Allah will give almost every options to seek from other than Allah for a beautiful life? This is what you want to promote by Allah and through His Guidance, The Luminescent Book?
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 07:12:46 AM
God provides the knowledge and the technology, is the inventor of "All".
I have never seen such an Attribute for God, The Inventor, but seen Him As the Originator, The Creator. Please show where is this Name for Allah as The Inventor?
QuoteIf you say that not all is from God but there are other creators or sources of creation or powers that can act and create, you are performing shirk, and the Qur'an seems to say the curse of Allah is on those who perform shirk.
God's decree is that if you follow Allah you will receive goodly reward from Allah; Allah rewards you when He is pleased with your obedience; so all good is from Allah. And if you disobey Allah, then God's decree is that you will be made to undergo punishment by way of afflictions from Him; and you will not avert it; no medication, no doctors could help you; and it is happening to day all patients die ultimately in the hospital committing shirk; and so in this manner the bad is from Allah as a punishment for your shirky disobedience.
The under quoted ayats are a misplaced ones, given the context.
Quote4:52 Such are those whom Allah has cursed! You will not find any helper for the one cursed by Allah.
4:53 Do they have a share in the kingdom (of Allah)? Had it been so, they would not have granted people even a speck on a date-stone.
QuoteMedical solutions have assisted many people in improving their conditions and life, and this help is from God, there is no other source of power, technology, knowledge, experience, information, insight, action, or anything else.
Living on medications and added adverse effects upon the existing diseases with poisoned bodily system is improvement in the condition of their lives? Weird stuff, isn't it?
QuoteAnyone who says there are other sources and that "God did not create everything, only some things, while there were other creators of things that God did not create" then you are performing shirk plainly, and according to the Qur'an are totally cursed by Allah.
Look up to other sources for cure from illnesses other than Allah is surely shirk; I endorse it.
QuoteThere are no ways around it really. Allah is the creator of everything
Yes, Allah is not the destructor of man, but the man is. Man is unjust, wrongdoer, vilely, atrocious while God is Rahman and Rahim.
Salaam drfazl,
He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 09:32:29 AM
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Your not seeking medical assistance is also from Allah, it may be in your favor, it may not be in your favor, Allah knows, we do not know if it is in your favor or not. Allah may be guiding you, or may be leading you into harm. Whatever it is, your will, your desires, are all from Allah. If you choose to do this or choose to do that, it is only Allah who is actually choosing if you do this or if you do that.
i see like this: if we pray/ask Allah for healing, it is a favour from my God who is the Healer. I believe in His Power of Healing, His forgiveness and His All-Mighty. ask Him His Guidance believing He will guide me to good. whereas you say He may or guide me into harm? how will it fit Allah, be Allah when He do not understand my prayer / need for good but He opt bad for me. it will make me leave Allah if i know my prayer is useless and anyway it is He who decide good or bad for me! even though i seek good - path-etic human! i become.
who will desire for bad omen for themselves. everyone will desire them only good. this shows only good desire comes from Allah. if we reject, His desire loses His protection and turns to be bad to the rejecter. this is how bad influences a person i understand.
QuoteIt is not shirk to accept medical services, just like it is not shirk to accept food from restaurant, or to allow someone to mend a tool or repair a shoe. Medicine is just a tool that can assist some people. Sometimes people have infections and anti-bacterial substances can kill the infection in order to help the body defend itself, and it is Allah who has taught people these things and given them this opportunity.
you yourself say medicine is a tool to assist only some people. sometimes people may have infections due to anti-bacterial substances that can kill them. it is Allah who designed some shirking people get killed by their shirk of medical services. you may not be one of the shirking men, because you see it only a tool. it is Allah who taught these people these things and gave them this opportunity. certainly i can allow someone to mend my shoe not my toe.
QuoteSo why is it that these people are demanding a very specific way that they should be healed while rejecting the technologies of Allah that have helped so many people?
asking Allah to heal us, is it specific or by a technology is specific, decide.
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Meanwhile, you're even using technologies like that constantly, even the computer.
i do not shirk technology and consider me and my computer the same. can put the computer into service spare parts avbl.
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The doctor is not the healer, it is Allah healing you, but the doctors sometimes by Allah's will and command and knowledge know certain methods now which can treat certain ailments, which if not treated properly can lead to harm and trouble for people.
FS. can you see how you phrased the sentence above - but, sometimes, certain methods, certain ailments, not treated properly, lead harm, trouble people. you can not say it firm because your Allah Alone stand is preventing it. i.e., the good from Allah preventing you from your bad shirk in technology.
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"No! I want God to heal me in a certain way, not with medicines!" What is this stubborn issue? "If my hand gets cut off, I will not have it sown back on! I want God to make it fly up and re attach to my hand! I demand it be so! I will pray for that, and will accept no other method of help from God!"
Do you see?
the way you quote above, may be from a person who do not follow Allah, His end, His angels, His scriptures and His messengers.
i see to pray Allah do not put me in a situation so that the rejecters mock at me. i believe Allah will not allow His bondsmen to a grave situation unwanted. let them bring a situation, by their desire, they have technologies for good, they can help, they think it is from Allah.
Quote from: Man of Faith on July 20, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Salaam drfazl,
He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.
lol if it isn't that way, then who else is the "doer"? Ultimately, the fact that God is doing it all, changes nothing about what is done or what we do really. Which makes it even funnier than no one can swallow this simple pointless fact that is meant to eliminate the shirk tendency in people. It is mainly just to watch people try to dance around it.
Quote from: Man of Faith on July 20, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Salaam drfazl,
He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.
Also, using this attempt to talk about how I'm "obsessed" when these people are telling people to reject medical technologies and help? Are you sure you're doing the right thing? What does it matter though, you're best pals with Sustainer, so it probably doesn't matter much that you're choosing this opportune moment to talk about my "obsession" while these people are basically trying to tell people to die and reject medical technology.
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2015, 10:14:21 AM
4.79 What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself. And We have sent you, to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.
Please explain. Let us go slow.
All is from God? Or only Good is from God? And is not bad only from you?
Read the verse right behind that one and tell if it just contradicted itself immediately after it made the statement "All is from God".
The answer is "All is from God", the good that is from God is from God, the evil that you deem to be from yourselves is from God too, that is what ALL IS FROM GOD means. Go ahead and read it carefully, and stop the shirk and blasphemy.
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2015, 10:21:11 AM
Allah made to suffer all ancient people with no options other than Allah? Today Allah has helped you with more and more options other than Allah? And tomorrow Allah will give almost every options to seek from other than Allah for a beautiful life? This is what you want to promote by Allah and through His Guidance, The Luminescent Book?
There is no "other than Allah" which is the point I've been repeating repeatedly, ALL IS FROM GOD. You're telling people to reject the gifts of Allah. Allah took credit for the chainmail armor, the ships, the iron crafting, all sorts of things, All is from God, these are not from other sources because there are no other sources.
Argue you all you want, add some more shirk to your book.
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2015, 10:39:53 AM
I have never seen such an Attribute for God, The Inventor, but seen Him As the Originator, The Creator. Please show where is this Name for Allah as The Inventor?
God's decree is that if you follow Allah you will receive goodly reward from Allah; Allah rewards you when He is pleased with your obedience; so all good is from Allah. And if you disobey Allah, then God's decree is that you will be made to undergo punishment by way of afflictions from Him; and you will not avert it; no medication, no doctors could help you; and it is happening to day all patients die ultimately in the hospital committing shirk; and so in this manner the bad is from Allah as a punishment for your shirky disobedience.
The under quoted ayats are a misplaced ones, given the context.
Living on medications and added adverse effects upon the existing diseases with poisoned bodily system is improvement in the condition of their lives? Weird stuff, isn't it?
Look up to other sources for cure from illnesses other than Allah is surely shirk; I endorse it.
Yes, Allah is not the destructor of man, but the man is. Man is unjust, wrongdoer, vilely, atrocious while God is Rahman and Rahim.
http://islamawakened.com/quran/59/24/
See if you find the word "Inventor" there.
To "invent" something, generally means to "create" too, to design, etc.
There is no other "creator" of anything. You're making me angry, as usual.
Those quotes about the curse on the shirk people are not misplaced, you can read a few verses up and you'll see it mentions shirk, but there are many things in the Qur'an about how shirk is bad and the people who do it are bad.
Shirk means "sharing", and generally means those who attribute to others creative powers, a "share" in the creation. The Qur'an says there is no other creator at all, All is from God. I gave numerous examples, you seem to ignore them, so now it is just a matter of waiting until you go wherever you may be going.
You state there are "others" which create things, this is the definition of shirk, and you perform it repeatedly.
I state there are no "others" that create anything at all. What I say is in line with the Qur'an and reality, and is not shirk.
To "invent" is generally a word for creating something, making something, and only God does this ultimately, no one else has the power to even think of anything at all good or bad.
We can just repeat this all day long. Consider yourself warned. This may be brought up on Judgment day, and lets see if the one who says "You didn't create everything" will be granted good. If you are granted good, then the Qur'an lied when it said that shirk is the unforgivable sin.
It is not shirk to use a computer, ride on a boat, or mend a wound. Just because some medications hurt people, just like a car might hurt people, does not mean there are other creators than God or that medication has not also helped people.
Don't talk to me too much, you irritate me tremendously. Out of all the people on this forum, I dislike you the most strongly because of your style, your views, the shirk, and your promotion of something which can harm many people, like telling children and the elderly not to take medicine which can help them or receive surgery which can help them. Also the way you come around and have harassed me in the past, calling me a devil and whatnot, which is generally what devils do themselves probably.
Telling people there are other creators besides God, that God is not the power but people have the power to "do this or do that" thus Chance is the determiner, telling people to die and suffer when God has given people medical technologies that can help them, and so much more, your crimes are many and you continue to persist in them.
Quote from: DrGm on July 20, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
i see like this: if we pray/ask Allah for healing, it is a favour from my God who is the Healer. I believe in His Power of Healing, His forgiveness and His All-Mighty. ask Him His Guidance believing He will guide me to good. whereas you say He may or guide me into harm? how will it fit Allah, be Allah when He do not understand my prayer / need for good but He opt bad for me. it will make me leave Allah if i know my prayer is useless and anyway it is He who decide good or bad for me! even though i seek good - path-etic human! i become.
who will desire for bad omen for themselves. everyone will desire them only good. this shows only good desire comes from Allah. if we reject, His desire loses His protection and turns to be bad to the rejecter. this is how bad influences a person i understand.
you yourself say medicine is a tool to assist only some people. sometimes people may have infections due to anti-bacterial substances that can kill them. it is Allah who designed some shirking people get killed by their shirk of medical services. you may not be one of the shirking men, because you see it only a tool. it is Allah who taught these people these things and gave them this opportunity. certainly i can allow someone to mend my shoe not my toe.
asking Allah to heal us, is it specific or by a technology is specific, decide.
i do not shirk technology and consider me and my computer the same. can put the computer into service spare parts avbl.
FS. can you see how you phrased the sentence above - but, sometimes, certain methods, certain ailments, not treated properly, lead harm, trouble people. you can not say it firm because your Allah Alone stand is preventing it. i.e., the good from Allah preventing you from your bad shirk in technology.
the way you quote above, may be from a person who do not follow Allah, His end, His angels, His scriptures and His messengers.
i see to pray Allah do not put me in a situation so that the rejecters mock at me. i believe Allah will not allow His bondsmen to a grave situation unwanted. let them bring a situation, by their desire, they have technologies for good, they can help, they think it is from Allah.
Placing the word shirk awkwardly in between or behind other words does not change the definition of shirk. Shirk means "sharing" and it is generally believed to be talking about the "sharing" of attributing creation and creative power to other than God, which is what people are doing when they say that medical technology is from other than God, or anything is from other than God.
If a person is in the water, going to drown, and prays for help, and a boat comes and the person on the boat says "get on!" and the person says "I am waiting for God to lift me up, go away!" they are rejecting the help of Allah.
Saying "shirk technology" "shirk doctors" "shirk shirk shirk" is not going to make the definition of shirk change from what it means. They have no share in the power of Allah, if a medicine is put on your wound, it is the same as any other material tool, it is coming from God and the effectiveness and the healing and every aspect of the experience is from God too. It is not "shirk", but to say that "it is not from God" IS shirk and defiance of "All is from God" and many other things.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 02:07:15 PM
Read the verse right behind that one and tell if it just contradicted itself immediately after it made the statement "All is from God".
The answer is "All is from God", the good that is from God is from God, the evil that you deem to be from yourselves is from God too, that is what ALL IS FROM GOD means. Go ahead and read it carefully, and stop the shirk and blasphemy.
I know there is no answer from you to 4.79 without contradicting the ayat with 4.78.
I will answer you now which you dodge. The meaning of 4/78 is: Allah is the Creator; man is the inventor of lies against the Creator 4/50. And so He Originates from it the creation which you invented as a lie unto Him, so that you shall taste your own invention shirkily. Medicine is what you hatched in your heart and invented hypotheses against Allah while Allah says 6/17, none can cure a disease except by Allah; and He tests you often with diseases and poverty in combination so that you fear Allah and become humble to 6/17.
And understand this lacunae in your methodology of reading Quran. He is the Creator from nothingness; and He is the Originator of what you invent for you to taste your own evil. Fear Him; and follow 6/17 & 10/107.
This is the answer to your confusion, Freedomstands.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 02:04:17 PM
Also, using this attempt to talk about how I'm "obsessed" when these people are telling people to reject medical technologies and help? Are you sure you're doing the right thing? What does it matter though, you're best pals with Sustainer, so it probably doesn't matter much that you're choosing this opportune moment to talk about my "obsession" while these people are basically trying to tell people to die and reject medical technology.
Brother Man of Faith tried to fine tune you in many ways but you do not seem to heed; as you said, he has chosen an opportune time to draw your concentration again only for your own good; there is no fault in it; I appreciate Man of Faith for his concern toward you.
reject medical technology. I am asking you if the medical technology has reached its absoluteness in curing patients of every kind or it is only groping in the dark for want of evolution from its devolution? Allah says do not attempt at a good deed even if it is from Quran, without you gaining full knowledge of it 20/114, and until you fit into your own shoes 61/2, 3, praying The All Knowing for increase in knowledge.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
There is no "other than Allah" which is the point I've been repeating repeatedly, ALL IS FROM GOD. You're telling people to reject the gifts of Allah. Allah took credit for the chainmail armor, the ships, the iron crafting, all sorts of things, All is from God, these are not from other sources because there are no other sources.
Argue you all you want, add some more shirk to your book.
6/17 & 10/107 says turn only to Allah not to the doctors who were entrusted with the "gift" of Allah be them a Hindu, a Muslim, a Jew, a Chrisitian, or a Sabian. To who will Allah give his gift? And will Allah's gift fail you in the hospitals and that too in the Intensive Critical Care? It is where you find your waterloo, in the end; is not true then to know your medical technology is what you deeply hatched as an invention against 6/17 and belying Allah's Signs?
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
http://islamawakened.com/quran/59/24/
See if you find the word "Inventor" there.
To "invent" something, generally means to "create" too, to design, etc.
There is no other "creator" of anything. You're making me angry, as usual.
You cannot be angry if only you apply 16/98 before you touch Quran, for it is Shaitan's gift to those who fail to remember the ayats of Allah.
I will teach you 59/24:
He is Allah, the Creator, Allah is the Creator from nothingness; He does to perfection what He wills without even the remotest source of any sense, through which a man could ever imagine. He has no partners to His Will and Creation. Thus is The Creator.
the Evolver/ the Originator/ the Inventor/ the Maker/Then comes the man's imaginations to create too, in pride from the available sources, as an instinct flash or as a 'spark of fire' from the sources Created by Allah, and claims he has
invented a concept and begins working on that. Allah leaves him astray because of his pride that he too can save the people from even cancers developing through the technologies through billenniums. Allah allows them in their evil ways and
Evolves them so that they shall know the worth of their pride in due course at some stage of their evil
evolutions that their efforts will finally be futile. Medical technology is the classical example to this, for all time to come till the dooms day. He helps you in your
inventive technology; what do you think of that they are flourishing in their ways 3/176, 178? Is it that Allah does good to them 3/196?
the Shaper of Forms.If they
repent and reform from their shirky evil business of technology, the medical invention with which they intervene and cause obstruction between man and Allah, then it is He Who Fashions the diseased parts back to its
Originally Created Form and Shape. He is the Creator.
59.24 Allah makes clear as to who He is, in that
He is The Creator, The Evolver, and The Shaper.And a kind note to you: do not paste the link-URLs for an answer; if you do so, it means you have no fresh knowledge by the moment. You shall always opt from Allah for "Increase in Knowledge!"
59.24 To Him belong
the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2015, 07:33:51 PM
I know there is no answer from you to 4.79 without contradicting the ayat with 4.78.
I will answer you now which you dodge. The meaning of 4/78 is: Allah is the Creator; man is the inventor of lies against the Creator 4/50. And so He Originates from it the creation which you invented as a lie unto Him, so that you shall taste your own invention shirkily. Medicine is what you hatched in your heart and invented hypotheses against Allah while Allah says 6/17, none can cure a disease except by Allah; and He tests you often with diseases and poverty in combination so that you fear Allah and become humble to 6/17.
And understand this lacunae in your methodology of reading Quran. He is the Creator from nothingness; and He is the Originator of what you invent for you to taste your own evil. Fear Him; and follow 6/17 & 10/107.
This is the answer to your confusion, Freedomstands.
There is no confusion, and I did not dodge anything. Persist in shirk and perish in it if "you will", but it is not for me to utter shirk insha'Allah. The Qur'an said clearly "All is from God" there is no confusion about it. The good and the bad, what is said to be from God and what is said to be from yourselves, ALL IS FROM GOD. No confusion. Mock all you want, you'll have a feast of it later perhaps.
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2015, 08:32:08 PM
You cannot be angry if only you apply 16/98 before you touch Quran, for it is Shaitan's gift to those who fail to remember the ayats of Allah.
I will teach you 59/24:
He is Allah, the Creator,
Allah is the Creator from nothingness; He does to perfection what He wills without even the remotest source of any sense, through which a man could ever imagine. He has no partners to His Will and Creation. Thus is The Creator.
the Evolver/ the Originator/ the Inventor/ the Maker/
Then comes the man's imaginations to create too, in pride from the available sources, as an instinct flash or as a 'spark of fire' from the sources Created by Allah, and claims he has invented a concept and begins working on that. Allah leaves him astray because of his pride that he too can save the people from even cancers developing through the technologies through billenniums. Allah allows them in their evil ways and Evolves them so that they shall know the worth of their pride in due course at some stage of their evil evolutions that their efforts will finally be futile. Medical technology is the classical example to this, for all time to come till the dooms day. He helps you in your inventive technology; what do you think of that they are flourishing in their ways 3/176, 178? Is it that Allah does good to them 3/196?
the Shaper of Forms.
If they repent and reform from their shirky evil business of technology, the medical invention with which they intervene and cause obstruction between man and Allah, then it is He Who Fashions the diseased parts back to its Originally Created Form and Shape. He is the Creator.
59.24 Allah makes clear as to who He is, in that He is The Creator, The Evolver, and The Shaper.
And a kind note to you: do not paste the link-URLs for an answer; if you do so, it means you have no fresh knowledge by the moment. You shall always opt from Allah for "Increase in Knowledge!"
59.24 To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
The man can not create and jinn can not create, nor are the ideas "apart from creation" because there is nothing that was not created by Allah, there is nothing in existence which Allah has not made and brought about, if you say otherwise, it is shirk. I showed you many verses clearly which you called "flooding ayats" and probably ignored them. Persist in the shirk, go ahead, lets watch you accumulate sin after sin and crime after crime with your blasphemous insistence.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 02:37:05 PM
Placing the word shirk awkwardly in between or behind other words does not change the definition of shirk. Shirk means "sharing" and it is generally believed to be talking about the "sharing" of attributing creation and creative power to other than God,
also, anger is a byproduct of shirk. if someone takes away our shirk we get anger.
eg. Allah allows us to enjoy the benefits of His creation; but not to usurp His creation as our own, this is shirk. instead of the fruits, i think that 'the tree is mine'. and when someone take away this brings anger.
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If a person is in the water, going to drown, and prays for help, and a boat comes and the person on the boat says "get on!" and the person says "I am waiting for God to lift me up, go away!" they are rejecting the help of Allah.
- a religious story to uphold blind faith not faith. faith is yearned only when you bring your real proof from your living in front of our eyes and heart.
Quote from: DrGm on July 20, 2015, 10:44:28 PM
also, anger is a byproduct of shirk. if someone takes away our shirk we get anger.
eg. Allah allows us to enjoy the benefits of His creation; but not to usurp His creation as our own, this is shirk. instead of the fruits, i think that 'the tree is mine'. and when someone take away this brings anger.
- a religious story to uphold blind faith not faith. faith is yearned only when you bring your real proof from your living in front of our eyes and heart.
You just made that up. "Anger" is not a byproduct of shirk. Especially considering you two "Dr" guys are the ones holding on to shirk by saying there are other creators.
49:7
And know that among you is Allah's Messenger: were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune: But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He
has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion: such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-
There are numerous other examples I can provide:
al-Ma`idah 5:60
Whom Allah has cursed and He became angry with him and made of them [the] apes and [the] swines, and (who) worshipped the false deities.
Is that because Allah is a performer of shirk?
Don't just make up things out of the blue, for your own sake.
1:7
The path of those You have blessed, Not of those who have earned Your anger, nor those who have gone astray.
This is not anger at your telling the truth, this is anger at the lies of shirk, the insisting that there are creators other than God.
There is a difference.
al-Mumtahinah 60:13
Turn not in friendship to a folk against whom God was angry. ... T.B.Irving, You who believe, do not patronize any folk whom God has become angry with;
Shirk is unforgivable, God has made it hateful to me absolutely, and anyone who supports it is going to see the same harshness.
al-Fath 48:29
And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among .... him are harsh towards the disbelievers and compassionate towards each other.
at-Taubah 9:73
Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.
For as long as you do not conform wholly to what I am saying, and all I am saying is God is the sole creator, there are no other creators that make or do anything, it is God doing it all, you are performing shirk, and you will be hated, and you will be treated harshly, and you are according to the Qur'an headed towards destruction.
It is not me performing shirk, it is you performing shirk, you have been warned repeatedly. Conform or perish in disbelief.
even i consider made up as said by you, is there not truth in it. why do you take it personal against you. anger is a byproduct of shirk(own something which is not theirs). its a meaning we understand even from the kids; when two kids are there, one with a toy. if the other take away the toy from the kid, the toykid gets anger.
when did i say there is other creator other than Allah. in my view you are missing a link (you have to find out yourself with the help of Allah) from quran other than that you wish Allah alone.
i know there is Allah's messenger among us.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
Is that because Allah is a performer of shirk?
do you equate yourself with Allah by this. Allah's anger by His justice, and your anger by your justice? never said you are performing shirk(accuse). only said what is shirk and only Allah knows who is performing shirk. the real definition and the truthfulness is with Allah. He is the Decider, the Justice, my Remover of my shirk.
at peace
Quote from: DrGm on July 21, 2015, 12:11:09 AM
even i consider made up as said by you, is there not truth in it. why do you take it personal against you. anger is a byproduct of shirk(own something which is not theirs). its a meaning we understand even from the kids; when two kids are there, one with a toy. if the other take away the toy from the kid, the toykid gets anger.
when did i say there is other creator other than Allah. in my view you are missing a link (you have to find out yourself with the help of Allah) from quran other than that you wish Allah alone.
i know there is Allah's messenger among us.
do you equate yourself with Allah by this. Allah's anger by His justice, and your anger by your justice? never said you are performing shirk(accuse). only said what is shirk and only Allah knows who is performing shirk. the real definition and the truthfulness is with Allah. He is the Decider, the Justice, my Remover of my shirk.
at peace
You said in a very general way "anger is a byproduct of shirk", which I said is made up, then showed an example which talks about Allah being angry, to show "anger" is not a "byproduct of shirk" at least not in all cases. I am not equating myself to Allah. I also showed that abominations such as shirk are hateful to the believers.
What you said at the bottom here is good though, I like it.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 10:12:07 PM
nor are the ideas "apart from creation" because there is nothing that was not created by Allah, there is nothing in existence which Allah has not made and brought about, if you say otherwise, it is shirk. I showed you many verses clearly which you called "flooding ayats" and probably ignored them. Persist in the shirk, go ahead, lets watch you accumulate sin after sin and crime after crime with your blasphemous insistence.
The diseases are designed and made by Allah as only a reward for the evil that you devise with your own hands on your own accord, against the wish of Allah. You shall understand you are the source for the evil that you reap. You think you showed the verses clearly is your plain thought; in fact you just pushed in the numbers of ayats, ignoring to clarify. I do not blame you for that for I do not think you meant anything by figuring it there. Reading the red part of your lines, I can only remember the ayat, 2:44
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 20, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
You just made that up. "Anger" is not a byproduct of shirk. Especially considering you two "Dr" guys are the ones holding on to shirk by saying there are other creators.
I taught you the verse 59/24 and told you the meanings of Creator, Inventor, Shaper. Without caring to know the meanings of any of His Names nor even caring to know what you mean by the word shirk, you simply fill up the pages with your supposed understandings. You have accidentally stumbled upon some weird stuff like "information, non-information" etc., based on which you have constructed something from which you do not want to come out into openness to explore many truths from other people.
Quote49:7
And know that among you is Allah's Messenger: were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune: But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion: such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-
Messenger is created by Allah, matters are created by Allah, to follow my wish is created by Allah, falling into misfortune is created by Allah, such faith is created by Allah, making it beautiful in my heart is Allah's work, Allah creates hatred, Allah creates unbelief, wickedness is Allah's, Allah owns all rebellion: such indeed are those who are walked by Allah in to righteousness.
If this is your understanding, certainly I understand nothing of this ayat. Please clarify this ayat from what I have understood from you.
QuoteThere are numerous other examples I can provide:
No, no. If you clarify the above ayat 49/7 is sufficient; from your clarification I can deduce myself.
Quote1:7
The path of those You have blessed, Not of those who have earned Your anger, nor those who have gone astray.
This is not anger at your telling the truth, this is anger at the lies of shirk, the insisting that there are creators other than God.
There is a difference.
Have you forgotten the verse, 4/49 whoever calls himself free from shirk and calling others mushriks? Nay, Allah frees one from shirk whom He Will; and He will not wrong the husk of a date stone. And you have forgotten the verse 2/44, How can you forget yourself while admonishing others? Man, there is difference between you getting angry and Allah getting angry. Descend down and see even with others; do not look down upon - it is hateful to Allah. Is it not the idea of grandeur in you to behave this way thinking you are the Lord Yourself? Have you forgotten you are mean to think that way?
59/19 Do not become of those who have forgotten Allah; shaitan has made them forget themselves. And such are the worst sinners.
Quoteal-Ma`idah 5:60
Whom Allah has cursed and He became angry with him and made of them [the] apes and [the] swines, and (who) worshipped the false deities.
When Allah created people He created them only to turn them apes, swine while Allah created false deities Himself and while He Himself creating how to worship and making them to worship? Now I ask you, "Is Allah a performer of shirk to Himself?"
But you ask us the same question here,
QuoteIs that because Allah is a performer of shirk?
QuoteDon't just make up things out of the blue, for your own sake. For as long as you do not conform wholly to what I am saying, and all I am saying is God is the sole creator, there are no other creators that make or do anything, it is God doing it all, you are performing shirk, and you will be hated, and you will be treated harshly, and you are according to the Qur'an headed towards destruction.
Good enough of you.
Quote from: drfazl on July 21, 2015, 03:46:13 AM
I taught you the verse 59/24 and told you the meanings of Creator, Inventor, Shaper. Without caring to know the meanings of any of His Names nor even caring to know what you mean by the word shirk, you simply fill up the pages with your supposed understandings. You have accidentally stumbled upon some weird stuff like "information, non-information" etc., based on which you have constructed something from which you do not want to come out into openness to explore many truths from other people.
Messenger is created by Allah, matters are created by Allah, to follow my wish is created by Allah, falling into misfortune is created by Allah, such faith is created by Allah, making it beautiful in my heart is Allah's work, Allah creates hatred, Allah creates unbelief, wickedness is Allah's, Allah owns all rebellion: such indeed are those who are walked by Allah in to righteousness.
If this is your understanding, certainly I understand nothing of this ayat. Please clarify this ayat from what I have understood from you.
No, no. If you clarify the above ayat 49/7 is sufficient; from your clarification I can deduce myself.
Have you forgotten the verse, 4/49 whoever calls himself free from shirk and calling others mushriks? Nay, Allah frees one from shirk whom He Will; and He will not wrong the husk of a date stone. And you have forgotten the verse 2/44, How can you forget yourself while admonishing others? Man, there is difference between you getting angry and Allah getting angry. Descend down and see even with others; do not look down upon - it is hateful to Allah. Is it not the idea of grandeur in you to behave this way thinking you are the Lord Yourself? Have you forgotten you are mean to think that way?
59/19 Do not become of those who have forgotten Allah; shaitan has made them forget themselves. And such are the worst sinners.
When Allah created people He created them only to turn them apes, swine while Allah created false deities Himself and while He Himself creating how to worship and making them to worship? Now I ask you, "Is Allah a performer of shirk to Himself?"
But you ask us the same question here,
Good enough of you.
"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation". Why are people so mystified and absorbed that everything seems to be so confusing?
All is from God. Allah created everything, the disaster and the good. Allah clearly states in the Qur'an "they would not have done it had not Allah willed" and "we set up enemies" and "we sent shaitans" and all that.
Those are the verses I've posted many times. You can read some more here:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 21, 2015, 04:27:59 AM
"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation". Why are people so mystified and absorbed that everything seems to be so confusing?
Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.
QuoteAll is from God. Allah created everything, the disaster and the good. Allah clearly states in the Qur'an "they would not have done it had not Allah willed" and "we set up enemies" and "we sent shaitans" and all that.
If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".
QuoteThose are the verses I've posted many times. You can read some more here:
But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.
Quotehttp://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0
Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.
Quote from: drfazl on July 20, 2015, 06:33:34 AM
Freedomstands, I appreciate your flooding the page with the ayats of Allah but to what purpose? Do the ayats on the page say anything on the eye diseases or about the other thousands of human diseases the modern medical technology has listed and still growing ever strongly in numbers without ability to cure any of them making the patients regain normalcy as created by Allah in the first place?
In 4.79 Allah speaks clearly to us:
Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your own technologies have wrought upon you.
This topic is concerning life and death with the modern technologies, with the inventions in medicines and the astuteness of the highly skilled specialised doctors as against the dictum of Allah.
Salaam brother,
I agree with you completely on this :handshake:
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family :pr
To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.
Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? :brickwall:
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: mmkhan on July 21, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
Salaam brother,
I agree with you completely on this :handshake:
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family :pr
To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.
Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? :brickwall:
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Maybe you don't know anything about history. The life expectancy rate has increased. People were dying from infections and easily treatable diseases much more in the past. As usual on this website, ignorance seems to reign supreme, with a flat Earth and now fear of medical technology being spread. God seems to want to put you all deep into caves.
Quote from: drfazl on July 21, 2015, 06:41:13 AM
Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.
If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".
But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.
Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.
Quote from: drfazl on July 21, 2015, 06:41:13 AM
Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.
If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".
But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.
Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.
Most of the time I don't really know what you are saying or asking of me because your English is so poor or something. It is like that scene with Zuul Qarnain and the people who could be scarcely understood.
I don't say God is the creation, I say God controls the creation, and that is not me saying it only, but the Qur'an saying it. Anyone who says otherwise, is saying "Chance" controls creation.
It is not my "take" on it, the Qur'an says all that I said very clearly.
"What is the purpose"! This is what people don't seem to grasp, God has no NEEDS, God does not create based on CONDITIONS, God creates freely, God can make a sea and put fish in the sea, and God can create hell and put people and jinn in hell, and God can put good people there, and God can put bad people there, because God can do anything at all freely, and our only hope is God and our only fear is God.
"He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end."
Many people believe "God does not know" or "God knows but it isn't God who created it" or any variety of idiotic blasphemies that people utter. God both knows and created all that occurs, and did so UNCONDITIONALLY, not based on ANY RULING POWER OR PRINCIPLE telling God what to do or out of any NEED.
A person stuck in time based thinking has a problem understanding "if God knows the future, then what is the point", because they don't understand time is just a creation, a concept, an illusion that we hear about, what we are dealing with is experience and God is creating all that we experience. But Why? God does as God wills to do, freely. There is no Why about it. Why did God tell Noah to build a boat and put animals on it when God could've done things in any other way? The Qur'an says God sets up the enemies, sends the shaitans, it is not me who made any of that up.
Why did God put in the ground certain worms which are neither eaten by any other animal or ever seen by humans deep in the jungles somewhere? Why did God create the tiny little micro organisms deep in the sea that even the fish do not deal with? Only a tiny grasp on things thinks everything is for themselves or humankind or for "reasons" and dependent on conditions, when God creates freely what God wills to create. Or is it that God did not create except the initial creation, and then it was all left to the partner "Chance"? So God "let it happen" that there is a micro organism somewhere deep in the ocean or the Earth which no creature has seen? Stop the ridiculousness.
It is in the foolish imagination of people that they think the world is chaotic, things are just operating all on their own, the fish go where they please, man goes this way or that way, killing by their choice and freedom, and God just "watches" and "leaves it up to chance" and "looks to chance" for answers, and other stupidity people imply by their statements.
No it is not for "sport" because God is not a human being at all. God does not do things out of "boredom" because God would have to create such a sensation in the first place. All this is the deliberate will and creation of God, it is based on nothing other than God and God's will which is unconditioned, God can do things in any other way, God does what God wills.
Trust me, people will join you and find what you say appealing, because garbage is always appealing to people.
Let me tell you what garbage is:
Garbage is to say God does not create everything.
Garbage is to say God does not control everything.
Garbage is to say God does not want what happens to happen, that it isn't God's will.
Garbage is to say God is restricted from doing anything about things.
Garbage is to say God leaves things to another power to determine and control.
Garbage is to say God does not know.
Garbage is to say that things have their own power to operate.
Garbage is to say things "can go this way or that way" so that it is left to "Chance".
Garbage is to say "Some things are from God, but some things are not from God".
So what is coming out of the mouths and fingers of people who type garbage, and mock at or ignore proper news about God, is to be fought against because they are lies and harmful even beyond that.
They are not only shirk, but they are trying to guide people into harm as well by rejecting medical help if circumstances arise like that, to reject the gifts of God by demanding that it be performed through other means and miracles of your preference.
So people should understand why all this is terrible, but there is no defender of good or justice really on this website for the most part, they are all villains and evildoers mostly, even if they don't know it.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 21, 2015, 04:27:59 AM
"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation".
When you say
'Experience or Creation' it means experience = creation, i.e., experience and creation are both the same. If it is so, Experience or the Creation is gained or made through a series of experiments by an Experimenter or a Creator, who tries to 'Discover or Create' something unknown. Do you still mean to say, Experimenter and Creator are the same from the Quranic angle?
Now, the equation is: Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts; and His understanding gets better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something that He does not know how it would turn out to be, in the end. People are not just mystified at your equalisation of the two words, but terrified.
QuoteMost of the time I don't really know what you are saying or asking of me because your English is so poor or something.
Ask again if you still do not understand my way of usage of the words in the english language; I will explain it to you further; you use your english language for mundane, unimaginative use while I use the same to express and communicate the UnseenTruth. That is something which you should learn in due course.
Quote from: drfazl on July 22, 2015, 03:18:45 AM
When you say 'Experience or Creation' it means experience = creation, i.e., experience and creation are both the same. If it is so, Experience or the Creation is gained or made through a series of experiments by an Experimenter or a Creator, who tries to 'Discover or Create' something unknown. Do you still mean to say, Experimenter and Creator are the same from the Quranic angle?
Now, the equation is: Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts; and His understanding gets better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something that He does not know how it would turn out to be, in the end. People are not just mystified at your equalisation of the two words, but terrified.
Ask again if you still do not understand my way of usage of the words in the english language; I will explain it to you further; you use your english language for mundane, unimaginative use while I use the same to express and communicate the UnseenTruth. That is something which you should learn in due course.
"Experimenter" means "Does not know" "Leaves it to Chance to see what happens" "Does not determine, only discovers" That concept does not qualify for the Ultimate.
I've not used the word "Experimenter" for God. God creates deliberately and consciously and is not ignorant of what it is that is being created. Every moment of "experience" is created by God, it is not an "experiment" where "God doesn't know and is leaving it up to Chance to determine or inform God of results".
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 22, 2015, 05:06:34 AM
"Experimenter" means "Does not know" "Leaves it to Chance to see what happens" "Does not determine, only discovers" That concept does not qualify for the Ultimate.
I've not used the word "Experimenter" for God.
Quote"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation".
Then why did you use the english words "just like that!" like EXPERIENCE = CREATION.
QuoteGod creates deliberately and consciously
For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously.
With regard to the following quote, I have some serious questions for you because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah. Yet, first make use of your language skill to clear basic things without confusing yourselves. Please stick to the point, without deviating while answering with just only one ayat to support your claim.
Quoteand is not ignorant of what it is that is being created. Every moment of "experience" is created by God, it is not an "experiment" where "God doesn't know and is leaving it up to Chance to determine or inform God of results".
Quote from: drfazl on July 22, 2015, 06:40:39 AM
Then why did you use the english words "just like that!" like EXPERIENCE = CREATION.
For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously.
With regard to the following quote, I have some serious questions for you because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah. Yet, first make use of your language skill to clear basic things without confusing yourselves. Please stick to the point, without deviating while answering with just only one ayat to support your claim.
Sorry, you're losing me with your poor English again.
Are you suggesting that God does not create consciously and deliberately?
I'd like you to say so, if that is what you believe, I'd like you to state it. I want you to blasphemy as much as possible so that we can feel satisfied about your future residence.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make (as usual, with your awkward English talents), with Creation = Experience. When I say the word "information" I am meaning what we experience. What we experience is what I'm calling "information", it can be called "creation" too, what God creates. If you can't grasp this properly, just let it go and ignore it, I can't keep explaining the same things over and over again to you, it is terribly annoying and generally makes me wish for your demise even sooner.
"For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously."
Maybe you should take those "endless questions" and put them back into the dark place from which they came? I mean the place doctors might refer to with certain terminology.
We do not know what is in the "mind of God", just as Jesus answered God in the Qur'an, but we are not one to say that God does anything "unconsciously" or "on accident" like how you might fart out questions, thinking you're going to catch me out or something while you're just chaining your neck even tighter like the genius you are.
Let me remind you, out of all people on this website, I find you the most evil and despicable of them all. I very strongly dislike you, in fact it could be said I hate your guts.
You add to that hatred with your further disgusting implications and blasphemies.
If God does not create consciously, then it means it is left to an "unconscious system out of God's control", which means that something else is running that system and is its creator, there can not be an unconscious or accidental act for the Ultimate because there are no conditions ruling over the Ultimate or pre-existing with the Ultimate (there is no shirk, by definition).
If this is too hard for you to grasp, then ignore it, but don't keep annoying me with your questions that you might imagine are so great.
Honestly, asking you to please shut up is a mercy, compared to blasphemous implications constantly.
Where do you get off saying "because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah."
You're the one who is apparently suggesting God does not do things consciously or deliberately, a tremendous blasphemy if you understood the implications of what you are saying, and nothing I have said is "against Allah" at all. Stop making false accusations, and get lost, even further than you are. Remember, I hate you, and I hate anyone that is like you. You are disgusting to me, and evil. Anyone who is your friend or supporter is also a fool and enemy to themselves.
Is that clear enough for you?
Go ahead and speak clearly and utter your blasphemies. Say it, say that you think that God does not do things consciously or deliberately, that the creation was not made on purpose and that these things are just unconscious activities running by some other power. Go ahead, if you understood anything at all about your implications.
Don't ask me stupid questions and trying to pretend you have even a drop of knowledge. I hope you enjoy the fire you think you are safe from, I have no guarantees that I won't be with you in hell too, which should make it more of a hell for both of us, unless you enjoy asking me stupid questions eternally, just as I'll enjoy doing what I do to you if we meet up in the fire.
Quote from: FreedomStands on July 22, 2015, 04:12:31 PM
Sorry, you're losing me with your poor English again.
Are you suggesting that God does not create consciously and deliberately?
I'd like you to say so, if that is what you believe, I'd like you to state it. I want you to blasphemy as much as possible so that we can feel satisfied about your future residence.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make (as usual, with your awkward English talents), with Creation = Experience. When I say the word "information" I am meaning what we experience. What we experience is what I'm calling "information", it can be called "creation" too, what God creates. If you can't grasp this properly, just let it go and ignore it, I can't keep explaining the same things over and over again to you, it is terribly annoying and generally makes me wish for your demise even sooner.
"For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously."
Maybe you should take those "endless questions" and put them back into the dark place from which they came? I mean the place doctors might refer to with certain terminology.
We do not know what is in the "mind of God", just as Jesus answered God in the Qur'an, but we are not one to say that God does anything "unconsciously" or "on accident" like how you might fart out questions, thinking you're going to catch me out or something while you're just chaining your neck even tighter like the genius you are.
Let me remind you, out of all people on this website, I find you the most evil and despicable of them all. I very strongly dislike you, in fact it could be said I hate your guts.
You add to that hatred with your further disgusting implications and blasphemies.
If God does not create consciously, then it means it is left to an "unconscious system out of God's control", which means that something else is running that system and is its creator, there can not be an unconscious or accidental act for the Ultimate because there are no conditions ruling over the Ultimate or pre-existing with the Ultimate (there is no shirk, by definition).
If this is too hard for you to grasp, then ignore it, but don't keep annoying me with your questions that you might imagine are so great.
Honestly, asking you to please shut up is a mercy, compared to blasphemous implications constantly.
Where do you get off saying "because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah."
You're the one who is apparently suggesting God does not do things consciously or deliberately, a tremendous blasphemy if you understood the implications of what you are saying, and nothing I have said is "against Allah" at all. Stop making false accusations, and get lost, even further than you are. Remember, I hate you, and I hate anyone that is like you. You are disgusting to me, and evil. Anyone who is your friend or supporter is also a fool and enemy to themselves.
Is that clear enough for you?
Go ahead and speak clearly and utter your blasphemies. Say it, say that you think that God does not do things consciously or deliberately, that the creation was not made on purpose and that these things are just unconscious activities running by some other power. Go ahead, if you understood anything at all about your implications.
Don't ask me stupid questions and trying to pretend you have even a drop of knowledge. I hope you enjoy the fire you think you are safe from, I have no guarantees that I won't be with you in hell too, which should make it more of a hell for both of us, unless you enjoy asking me stupid questions eternally, just as I'll enjoy doing what I do to you if we meet up in the fire.
You cannot be humble or patient before Allah but by Allah's leave; you are not the judger but Allah is; you have destined me to hell while such judgment is with Allah; you have gone beyond all the limits of Allah for which you may seek forgiveness sooner, now! I do not want to discuss about Allah while He is Almighty; May He forgive me for having gone this far with you; and you have thundered in the last post, mindlessly, without fear for Allah. I am quit of you for good. My last word: I have no hatred for you at all! Many many salaams to you.
13.13 And the thunder praises His Glory and the angels too, for fear of Him; and He sends down thunderbolts by which He strikes whom He wills; they dispute about Allah while He is All Mighty.
A L R@ - These are the Signs of the Book, clear. And it is the Truth revealed to you from your God; yet most of mankind do not believe.
@ A L R are the Signs of the Clear Book; ?A? denotes Allah which means the God of the heavens and the earth and everything in between who can be felt only by one?s conscience and who cannot be materially felt by man?s five materialistic senses; and ?L? denotes ?Latif? which means the Most Subtle and ?R? denotes ?Ru?ya? - the vision we have in our insight. Therefore the meaning of ALR is: ?The Clear Vision you have as your Insight is, the Most Subtle Wisdom that Allah alone can create for you, as your life?s establishment. And these are the Signs of the Book, clear.
Quote from: drfazl on July 22, 2015, 07:59:40 PM
You cannot be humble or patient before Allah but by Allah's leave; you are not the judger but Allah is; you have destined me to hell while such judgment is with Allah; you have gone beyond all the limits of Allah for which you may seek forgiveness sooner, now! I do not want to discuss about Allah while He is Almighty; May He forgive me for having gone this far with you; and you have thundered in the last post, mindlessly, without fear for Allah. I am quit of you for good. My last word: I have no hatred for you at all! Many many salaams to you.
13.13 And the thunder praises His Glory and the angels too, for fear of Him; and He sends down thunderbolts by which He strikes whom He wills; they dispute about Allah while He is All Mighty.
Why don't you read anything carefully? I have not destined you to hell or even said you'll be going to hell. I said that you and I may both meet in hell, that is not a certain thing. We may both meet in paradise, or you may see me in hell. Read carefully.
Yeah, I thundered, and the thunder praises His Glory, and does not dispute, saying that God leaves things to Chance.
Read this too if you care to. You probably won't though. I dare you to read it though. http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598457.msg372203#msg372203
Quote from: mmkhan on July 21, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
Salaam brother,
I agree with you completely on this :handshake:
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family :pr
To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today. Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.
Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? :brickwall:
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Brother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
Quote from: drfazl on July 23, 2015, 02:41:50 AM
Brother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
Why did Noah build a boat. Why did Muhammed fight in wars? Why did Yusuf go to a prison? What is with you man? Going to a hospital is not haram. Why didn't the people just sit there and let the disease of oppression grow in them and wait for some miracle of their preference instead? They had to fight. Noah had to build a boat, why didn't he just sit there and be made to fly instead? Why didn't Yusuf just go fly off somewhere, instead of being restrained in a physical building of a prison?
Why were people instructed to fight rather than saying oh not, just sit back and wait for things to solve themselves? Huh?
Do you know why you make me angry (one of the many reasons)? You are telling people to die, and saying they have no faith if they take action to help themselves. Why do you eat food man? What do you need food for, is it because you're faithless and so you do "shirk" and eat food? What do you need to eat food for at all? The same goes with medicine, you eat food when you're hungry but don't take medicine when you're sick? Why do you eat then. Is it because you know what will happen if you stop eating? Is that your lack of faith? Do you think that if you stop eating forever, you will starve? Is that faithlessness on your part?
Don't go around telling people to die with your sick advice. It is demented and evil. If people need medicine or surgery to help them, they should take it and not have a disgusting enemy like you telling them to die. Go starve yourself to death then, faithless one, why do you eat food?
Why do you use electricity? It is a "fire technology". You hypocrite. You're just a joke, get lost. You're the most dangerous person on this website because of your sick ideas and promotion, and anyone who supports you is a sick person too. Yeah, it is you who is sick and spreading sickness too, telling people not to take medicine if they need it. That is CRIMINAL. Do any of the mad fools on this website UNDERSTAND that it is CRIMINAL to tell people to die like that and not to fight disease. YOU HAVE TO FIGHT WARS, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT DISEASE, stop spreading disease, you plague spreading monster. Yes, I have every right to call you that, look at what you're doing. STOP IT.
You should be reported on top of it because you're genuinely promoting that people should die and that disease should be spread rather than contained and quelled. You are unbelievably sick minded, get off the internet and stop using "fire technology" and go live in a cave and stop eating and just eat your imagination and stop working to harm people.
Quote from: drfazl on July 23, 2015, 02:41:50 AM
Brother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
So by using your logic, AVICENNA IS A KAFIR!
Hello,
To accuse drfazl of "shirk" is quite farfetched. Drfazl is very close to the Gnostic school of thought, and he has a point in his propagation against medicine, especially modern medicine with artificial drugs not even created by the Rabb. But the underlying idea in this kind of thought is that the physical world should be abstained from and why prolong the life in case it happens that you are blessed with departure except for people who like to live in this world. Jesus rebuked a disciple for saying it is sad that he has to die and to stop him from dieing by saying "begone Satan!" referring to the instinct that wants to cling unto this world. Obviously Jesus was already elevated from his flesh to the extent the execution did not hurt him. Yet after all they did he prayed for them to be forgiven, as he taught others.
If drfazl's "prayer healing" works it is because he and his patient has faith in it. Faith can through the spirit affect the flesh. Jesus said that strong faith can move a mountain.
Strong faith is always better than physical therapy and a person with a good "ascension" to what the Buddhists call Nirvana will naturally be less afflicted by diseases and through that live long lives without even a dose of medicine. It is the indulgence in the world that makes us sick. It is "programmed" that way. The world was meant from the beginning of the test to be abstained from and indulgence punishes itself.
To keep the flesh alive and healthy through eating and drinking is all which is required without overeating. The necessity to eat and drink is a curse which we do not wish to make worse. Same with sex. It is a curse and a trap. It is a pleasant and a strong drive, but is fooling us to like to be the body we are within. Eating good food and sex has a lot in common. People call it extremism, but that is how it is. It is the perfect delusion to refine the very best specimens. The world was not meant to be enjoyed even if it is a great temptation. That temptation is generally called Shaytaan. And by following Shaytaan you show you rather be the animal.
And people make fun of what I teach. I know that and I pity them for not perceiving how lost they are themselves. They await an equal paradise, but that longing shows they like the world. Those acquainted await a release from the flesh and also show they do not like to be the dull body. The flesh for them will not continue and they will not be forced to constantly be cautious of not consuming when they are disconnected from the instinctive human body.
Our lifestyles have cursed ourselves. If we did not consume so much sugar we would not need those fluoride toothpastes. It is an evil circle. Even if you do not intentionally swallow the toothpaste you are affected by it and the mouth has a natural defense against foreign agents. If you ate just the right amounts and no or little sugar (fruit) then it would be okay to just keep the mouth as it is. Once upon a time the only sweetener was honey and at least that is healthy at the same time as sweet.
I stand by drfazl that our habits cause our afflictions. Vaccines can help against diseases, but they often have nasty side-effects and they corrupt the genes Our reliance on medicine even seems to make us more sick, and the diseases get even stronger by evolving to overcome the prevention.
Be well
That Being said I do not stand by every detail of drfazl's stance on the dynamics of allah. But he is on the right track in terms of abstention.
Quote from: Hizbullah on July 23, 2015, 06:15:27 AM
So by using your logic, AVICENNA IS A KAFIR!
I do not speak logic here and then start argument over logics of each other; here we have the ayats. I want you to answer me based on 6/17 & 10/107. First write down the two ayats; then explain it or interpret it from your own comprehension; and then deducing from it, answer your question. There is just only one shaytans infested, hell-bound, confirmed kafir here who wants the whole world to die at the hands of the doctors or under their knives.
Allah created food for you;
never medicines. I say every word here from Quran; surely Allah had never given any gifts to man such as medicines i.e., the poisons but food to stay healthy, free of diseases; and He admonishes man to turn to Him repenting for having committed shirk, turning to doctors for cure from diseases shunning Allah. Avicenna is father of all doctors, that is all the answer to your question.
Get well, by Allah
Man of Faith,
Thanks for your earnest effort to stay free from shirk; may Allah show His Mercy upon us and may He increase us in our Belief. And thank Allah for the support He gives me through you.
by gods help...good answer...maasha allah.
Quote from: abdul raheeem on July 23, 2015, 09:27:41 AM
by gods help...good answer...maasha allah.
Welcome, and thanks abdurraheem. May Allah bless you.
Quote from: abdul raheeem on July 23, 2015, 09:27:41 AM
by gods help...good answer...maasha allah.
welcome abdul raheem
Salute @
drfazl, all
Quote from: drfazl on July 23, 2015, 08:48:07 AM
Allah created food for you; never medicines ...
I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous ...
This, however, does not mean "medicine" is not needed! Just
their pseudo-cure/s.
Personally, I understand/translate QA.
nḥl (
نحل) as "
insects" [instead of "
honeybee (http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(16:68:4))" (Ar: دبور (http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=dbwry%20N&cits=all))],
as this appears to be the intended meaning of the quranic term (http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=nxlt%40qmx%29%20N&cits=all) in question ... Why am I telling you this?
Because, G-D has already provided our (needed)
cures inside
النحل (as indicated in 16/69).
Cf. haemolymph.
This is my cu., G-D is best acquainted.SLM
Quote from: hicham9 on July 23, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous.
This however does not mean "medicine is not needed"!
I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
Quote from: JavaLatte on July 23, 2015, 11:03:03 AM
I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
The truth is none of the natural herbs or things what you have mentioned has the ability to cure a single disease of thousands and thousands of fantastic diagnoses of modern medicine. Therefore Allah has not created any curative medicine for any of your diseases but warns us to turn to Him in repentance 6/43 for a disease free life here and bids us to eat of the good foods He has produced for you and to invoke His Name before eating them 6/119.
@ drfazl
I'm not a fan of the doctor, and praise be to Allah, I don't go to the doctors in a quite long time.
There was time when I got ill, and then I recovered without eating specific medicine, praise be to Allah.
However, there was also time when I felt sick, and then I begged to Allah, and then somehow Allah made me met with the further situation when I felt "pushed" to eat certain medicine (as if Allah wanted me to eat that, that time I didn't even specifically buy that remedy, and also, that time, it was without the intervention of doctor), so, in my opinion, Allah healed me by that way, praise be to Him.
And through that experience, I could learn something. I think Allah taught me that eating the right medicine is not a sin, and because what I want to take is personal lesson from Allah, so I think you are not 100% correct on this issue.
Peace.
Quote from: drfazl on July 23, 2015, 08:48:07 AM
I do not speak logic here and then start argument over logics of each other; here we have the ayats. I want you to answer me based on 6/17 & 10/107. First write down the two ayats; then explain it or interpret it from your own comprehension; and then deducing from it, answer your question. There is just only one shaytans infested, hell-bound, confirmed kafir here who wants the whole world to die at the hands of the doctors or under their knives. Allah created food for you; never medicines. I say every word here from Quran; surely Allah had never given any gifts to man such as medicines i.e., the poisons but food to stay healthy, free of diseases; and He admonishes man to turn to Him repenting for having committed shirk, turning to doctors for cure from diseases shunning Allah. Avicenna is father of all doctors, that is all the answer to your question.
Get well, by Allah
I concur with you to a certain extent.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
I know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
http://ozoneclinic.blogspot.sg/2012/03/what-is-eboo.html
I agree with Bro mmkhan
Quote from: mmkhan on July 21, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.
Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? :brickwall:
Thank you and you too, get well, insha ALLAH
Quote from: Hizbullah on July 23, 2015, 07:40:05 PM
I concur with you to a certain extent.
Do you mean you concur with me to a certain extent with regard to the two ayats 6/17 & 10/107. Will you try again and rethink, recite and rethink to ascertain these ozone, oxygen therapists are outright liars.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
QuoteHave you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
O2, O3 combinations do cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart finally. It is a wonder how people are brainwashed to believe in anything in black and white. Do those who talk about the Oxygen and Ozone know the ingredient gases that finally create O2 and O3? If the doctors know the elements that make O2 or O3 then why do not they create these elements themselves? When they know nothing of these, you may consider this EBOO therapy equivalent to VOODOO therapy.
QuoteI know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
Will they die anytime? That too the doctors say 30% of normal rate? But he is living - how? Though the physical heart rate is 30%, the psychological quality of every beat of the heart is 100% efficiently functioning, enough to survive him at his best, is the possible inference, isn?t it? When the doctors say they will die at anytime when their God protected natural life is still surviving them strong, is it not that the opposite of the same i.e., they will bounce back to absolute normalcy anytime, shall have to be expected too?
Quote from: mmkhan on July 21, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.
Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us?
I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
Quote from: Hizbullah on July 23, 2015, 07:40:05 PM
I agree with Bro mmkhan
Peace brother,
Thank you :handshake:
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: JavaLatte on July 24, 2015, 03:23:29 AM
I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
Peace Java,
Thanks.
Red: As per my personal understanding yes I do not need any doctor at all. Because my doctor is my Creator, He knows everything about me in and out unlike these so called doctors who don't even know 10% of our complex body system and still they react like god. I want to rely on my Sustainer only, inshaAllah [
26:80 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=26&verse=80)].
Blue: Yes, if we see ourselves when we get ill, we suddenly think of a doctor instead of Allah. Isn't it dangerous that we are forgetting our Sustainer when we needed Him the most? Many people never even think of turning towards their Creator when they are ill. They are ready to spend lot of their money to damage their own bodies while they suffer from illness. See how confident and satisfied these people are when they go to any doctor for any illness :&
As per
13:11 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=13&verse=11) "...
And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron - [Sahih International]."
It seems that when Allah intends a people bad they are challenging back to Allah by saying that if you cause us illness, we have another alternative i.e.,doctors :&. By doing so, they are getting into double problems 1) money and 2) more health damage. Instead it was a time to get back to their Creator and seek His forgiveness. Because Allah will not intend to cause us any bad but it comes to us because of our own deeds that we do or done earlier [
30:36 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=30&verse=36)].
I see those who seek doctors instead of Allah when they are ill fits perfectly in
39:45 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=39&verse=45). I was also like that before but now I am trying hard to rely on Allah [tawakkal] in every matter by His grace, alhamduliAllah and without His help it is not possible :hail
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: JavaLatte on July 24, 2015, 03:23:29 AM
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
Peace.
peace,
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
Quote from: DrGm on July 24, 2015, 04:56:49 AM
peace,
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
Peace brother,
Thank you for sharing it with us. I also have two cases to share.
One is of my dad [he is no more] when he was admitted to the hospital for replacement of his femur head, doctors checked him before taking him for surgery. And asked us whether he took any medicines earlier to this. We said no, and doctors got surprised and said he was attacked by TB [tuberculosis] many times as you can see in these X-Rays. And it was cured by itself without any medication.
And the second case is very recent. One of my friends' father went to hospital as he was not feeling well and doctors checked him and said you had heart attack many times and asked if he took any medicines for that? He said I was not known to this and never took any medicine for that problem. He is a chain smoker. Doctors said you heart attacks has been cured by itself and you don't have any heart problem now. His illness was something else not related to his heart.
May Allah protect us all from all bad/illnesses and protect us from deviating from Him :pr
mmKhan
Thanks for relaying these stories, brother mmkhan.
Quote from: drfazl on July 23, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
Do you mean you concur with me to a certain extent with regard to the two ayats 6/17 & 10/107. Will you try again and rethink, recite and rethink to ascertain these ozone, oxygen therapists are outright liars.
When I said I concur with you to a certain extent, means I do not agreed to your comprehension pertaining to 6/17 & 10/107. But I do concur with you that doctors we have now are not really doctors. They lied to us. Except for those who fear ALLAH. My personal doctor is a good doctor and I trust him. He is not only a submitter but also a believer. When he treats me and my family, the first verse he would use is "in the name of ALLAH, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL".
Everything comes from ALLAH - the good, the bad and the ugly. Its all in front of you. You make your decision. The Quran 04:97
Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of ALLAH spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.Except for the oppressed among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan nor are they directed to a way -If they know that they are in difficulty, that they are require to migrate, except for those who cannot afford. Its the same thing, if you are sick, seek medical attention from those who know and not those who only wants your money. Its good to stay healthy, so that you can do your prayers, which is the most important responsibility that we have towards our creator. If you are sick, how can you do your prayers? How can you go out and work in order to find the basic nesisicity for your family?
Quote from: drfazl on July 23, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
O2, O3 combinations do cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart finally. It is a wonder how people are brainwashed to believe in anything in black and white. Do those who talk about the Oxygen and Ozone know the ingredient gases that finally create O2 and O3? If the doctors know the elements that make O2 or O3 then why do not they create these elements themselves? When they know nothing of these, you may consider this EBOO therapy equivalent to VOODOO therapy.
O2 runs to the blood system red corpuscles, how can its cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart. As for O3, in EBOO theraphy, it is use to cleanse the blood by means of dialysis type of procedure. O3 is use to cleanse the blood before infuse back into the body. I have done it for almost 10 years. PRAISE BE TO ALLAH, I am in good condition.
Quote from: drfazl on July 23, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
Will they die anytime? That too the doctors say 30% of normal rate? But he is living - how? Though the physical heart rate is 30%, the psychological quality of every beat of the heart is 100% efficiently functioning, enough to survive him at his best, is the possible inference, isn?t it? When the doctors say they will die at anytime when their God protected natural life is still surviving them strong, is it not that the opposite of the same i.e., they will bounce back to absolute normalcy anytime, shall have to be expected too?
That person was in terrible stage. In fact doctors had given up hope on her. What doctors had given her are nothing but drugs which almost made her had kidney failure. My wife was the one who brought her to our family doctor for EBOO therapy. And now, thanks to ALMIGHTY CREATOR, she is in good shape.
Quote from: JavaLatte on July 24, 2015, 03:23:29 AM
I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
Dear Sister JavaLatter, Salam,
Actually we do need doctors but doctors that really want to save live. For example, memogram, its bad for women, that's where they get breast cancer. Those liars who call themselves doctors knew it but they keep quiet. Same goes for Chemotherapy, do you know what is the agent they use? It is Mustard Gas. Its poisonous. Once it enter the human body, that's it, all the cancer cells, good or bad will be destroyed.
We need doctors who have the heart of saving lives. The Quran 05:32
....and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. :peace:
Quote from: Hizbullah on July 24, 2015, 07:09:30 AM
My personal doctor is a good doctor and I trust him. He is not only a submitter but also a believer. When he treats me and my family, the first verse he would use is "in the name of ALLAH, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL".
There is an observation to be made here. Your family doctor is a good doctor for he is a submitter to and a believer in Allah alone; so Allah has blessed the doctor with certain curative power from Him; and this is a Sign not only unto your family doctor but unto you too from Allah; and the blessed doctor remembers Allah while he is treating his patients, invoking Allah's Names such as Rahman and Rahim. At the end of the successful treatment the doctor would have definitely praised Allah, All glory be to Him and Him alone.
You will know
Allah has blessed your doctor as a Sign for others that they believe too in Allah alone; and has
not blessed the EBOO medicine and the therapeutic procedure of man. If Allah has blessed the EBOO therapy, then any man could successfully have used it, be he a believer or a non believer. Allah is needless to have a help in man invented procedure to cure you; therein is a test for the believers - as Allah keenly watches, if one is glorifying Allah alone or EBOO therapy too along with.
QuoteAs for O3, in EBOO theraphy, it is use to cleanse the blood by means of dialysis type of procedure. O3 is used to cleanse the blood before infuse back into the body. I have done it for almost 10 years. PRAISE BE TO ALLAH, I am in good condition.
Allah purifies whom He will; if we say O3 like dialysis type of treatment cleanses us, it is our faulty recognition; if you see in the above narration, you take EBOO to the front, before praising Allah. Strike off EBOO and bring Allah's Praise to the fore. You will be much better off in the days to come till the end of your life. And you claim to have lived for 10 years because of EBOO, then secondarily you Praise Allah, while Allah has kept you hale and hearty all along. Try praising Allah first, then the EBOO automatically vanishes into oblivion.
My self and my family and thousands of individuals, many with their families who believed and praise Allah alone in this way are living a great life for more than 15 years or so. I have been out of medicines since 35 years; my son, daughter and my wife 30 years now, are free of medicines and without a disease; by Allah, we do not know or we had forgotten what a disease would be like.
And I have disowned my doctors' profession though it was earning me quite a fortune. Then I became a pauper; yet Allah saved me from all misfortunes. "O Allah help me and the people who believed with me to rely on You alone more than ever before."
Quote from: drfazl on July 24, 2015, 10:20:35 AM
There is an observation to be made here. Your family doctor is a good doctor for he is a submitter to and a believer in Allah alone; so Allah has blessed the doctor with certain curative power from Him; and this is a Sign not only unto your family doctor but unto you too from Allah; and the blessed doctor remembers Allah while he is treating his patients, invoking Allah's Names such as Rahman and Rahim. At the end of the successful treatment the doctor would have definitely praised Allah, All glory be to Him and Him alone.
You will know Allah has blessed your doctor as a Sign for others that they believe too in Allah alone; and has not blessed the EBOO medicine and the therapeutic procedure of man. If Allah has blessed the EBOO therapy, then any man could successfully have used it, be he a believer or a non believer. Allah is needless to have a help in man invented procedure to cure you; therein is a test for the believers - as Allah keenly watches, if one is glorifying Allah alone or EBOO therapy too along with.
My self and my family and thousands of individuals, many with their families who believed and praise Allah alone in this way are living a great life for more than 15 years or so. I have been out of medicines since 35 years; my son, daughter and my wife 30 years now, are free of medicines and without a disease; by Allah, we do not know or we had forgotten what a disease would be like.
And I have disowned my doctors' profession though it was earning me quite a fortune. Then I became a pauper; yet Allah saved me from all misfortunes. "O Allah help me and the people who believed with me to rely on You alone more than ever before."
The Quran 96:
05 - Taught man that which he knew not.The medical knowledge that you earn is a gift from ALLAH. HE taught you all that you know as being a Doctor. And you threw away all? Why not use it for the benefit of others, by saving lives.
What happen if someone you know was shot in front of you and still alive bleeding. As a doctor what will you do. Let him die? Or you will do what you were taught to stop the bleeding? If you save one life is as though you save all human being...The Quran 05:32
....and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Quote from: drfazl on July 24, 2015, 10:20:35 AM
Allah purifies whom He will; if we say O3 like dialysis type of treatment cleanses us, it is our faulty recognition; if you see in the above narration, you take EBOO to the front, before praising Allah. Strike off EBOO and bring Allah's Praise to the fore. You will be much better off in the days to come till the end of your life. And you claim to have lived for 10 years because of EBOO, then secondarily you Praise Allah, while Allah has kept you hale and hearty all along. Try praising Allah first, then the EBOO automatically vanishes into oblivion.
Is it not I praise my ALLAH first? I praise ALLAH for everything he has given me. EBOO comes from ALLAH. I praise ALLAH for the tremendous knowledge that is with HIM. HE IS A PHYSICIAN, A SURGEON, A CIVIL & SRUCTURAL ENGINEER, AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, A METALURGY, A NUCLEAR ENGINEER.....ETC, ETC, ETC
They said, "Exalted are YOU; we have no knowledge except what YOU have taught us. Indeed, it is YOU who is the Knowing, the Wise."Mankind are nothing. If one artery is cut off in a man's body, everything about him goes haywire! Every knowledge that a man process comes from HIM. HE gave it to us so that we can do good to others.
You are a doctor but you threw away the knowledge that HE has given. What I see is arrogance and defiance. I don't see anything humble about you. You and all those people that you mislead will be answerable to ALLAH!
. . . واذا مرضت فهو يشفين . . .
And if [ever] I get sick, then He* [it is who] cures me.
Quote from: Hizbullah on July 24, 2015, 11:41:24 AM
The Quran 96:05 - Taught man that which he knew not.
Allah teaches man further than, and farther than, and greater than that which he knows and grant man a higher wisdom that he knew not thus far. Let him then believe in Allah's wisdom alone is what Allah means by the above ayat. I do not know what you mean to convey by pasting this ayat here.
QuoteThe medical knowledge that you earn is a gift from ALLAH. HE taught you all that you know as being a Doctor. And you threw away all? Why not use it for the benefit of others, by saving lives.You are a doctor but you threw away the knowledge that HE has given. What I see is arrogance and defiance. I don't see anything humble about you. You and all those people that you mislead will be answerable to ALLAH!
But is it not the same thing you had done with the entire medical profession while your wife asked the lady with cancer to do away with the doctors and follow only 'eboo' treatment with your good family doctor? Are not the doctors of the medical profession whom you abandoned also having the same god endowed gift as your family doctor? Can you give me an answer why you made the lady to avoid the doctors endowed with god's gift?
Quote from: drfazl on July 25, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
Allah teaches man further than, and farther than, and greater than that which he knows and grant man a higher wisdom that he knew not thus far. Let him then believe in Allah's wisdom alone is what Allah means by the above ayat. I do not know what you mean to convey by pasting this ayat here.
Exactly as what you have written. You are one of them in case you don't know. I envy you for being a doctor. Do you know that in my country, its not easy to be one! My son had just completed his studies in Medical Science @ Diploma level. He score 3.8 out of 4 GPA. Unfortunately, he cannot enrol into the local university to further his studies in Medicine. The only way is to get in a foreign university. That is going to cause me a bomb! ALLAH has given the knowledge and you threw it back at HIM! If you think that you are right than so be it. I have no more argument with you. No offence Dr Fazl, appreciate if you drop your title as a Doctor. Just call yourself Mr Fazl. That will be nicer.
Quote from: drfazl on July 25, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
But is it not the same thing you had done with the entire medical profession while your wife asked the lady with cancer to do away with the doctors and follow only 'eboo' treatment with your good family doctor? Are not the doctors of the medical profession whom you abandoned also having the same god endowed gift as your family doctor? Can you give me an answer why you made the lady to avoid the doctors endowed with god's gift?
Did I say lady with cancer? Anyway, two different things,
1] People who call themselves doctors but did not perform what they are suppose to as a doctor. What they did is only for the money. they don't bother whether you get well or not. Let me tell you of one example of a friend of mine who was operated on because of heart attack. At that time he was 51 years old. The choke to his arteries is because of cholesterol. The doctor who attended to him, has no other ways except insist on performing a by pass even after the pain to his chest has reduce due to a drug the doctor prescribed by putting it under his tongue. I am not sure what is the name of that drug. That operation cause him between $50,000 to $70000
2] People who call themselves doctors and they perform their job sincerely in the name of ALLAH. Yes they make some money because they need to survive. Their medical charges is not high. Their main concern is to save lives. Another friend of mine, also in his fifties, same problem as the above, when he saw my doctor, immediately the doctor carried out EBOO. One treatment cause him $200. My friend need to go twice a month for 6 months. After that, he just need to go twice a year as "maintenance" to his body system.
Salam Dr Fazl,
Quote from: Hizbullah on July 24, 2015, 11:41:24 AM
The Quran 96:05 - Taught man that which he knew not.
The medical knowledge that you earn is a gift from ALLAH. HE taught you all that you know as being a Doctor. And you threw away all? Why not use it for the benefit of others, by saving lives.
peace Hizbullah,
drfazl left allopathy profession after practicing for 8 years after having known there is nothing but evil in it. as a staunch believer he by the leave of Allah then learnt and practiced homeopathy because it seemed superior to allopathy; then left that for, he was not fully satisfied with that too; then he by the leave of Allah practiced acupuncture in a unique way, the world never knew 96:5 as taught by Allah curing tens of thousands freeing the patients from allopathy totally. he also taught this method of treatment to thousands of patients who came to him free of cost because his only aim was that allopathy cannot fit to be a curative treatment for mankind especially. those who learnt acupuncture from him are successful in their profession. later, when patients started talking about him to others as god by which they themselves committed shirk, fearing Allah he left acupuncture totally to free himself from the practitioners of acupuncture. and by Allah's grace further, he started teaching them how to get healed by the leave of Allah. now, again innumerable people with their families are leading a life without medicines and doctors.
he threw away his medical profession and is helping many to lead a life without any kind of medical system, believing only in Allah. his way of life inspired many medical doctors too and made them understand the truth about the modern medicine. some of the inspired doctors who came for treatment from him are following the path of Allah as a Curer along with their families. his signature http://foolproofcure.net will give you further details how he is inspiring many in the path of God.
Quote from: Man of Faith on July 24, 2015, 05:34:20 AM
Thanks for relaying these stories, brother mmkhan.
Peace,
You are welcome bro :handshake:
So what do you do if you get poisoned by a brown recluse spider? You don't go to the doctor?
Quote from: DrGm on July 25, 2015, 03:31:26 AM
peace Hizbullah,
drfazl left allopathy profession after practicing for 8 years after having known there is nothing but evil in it. as a staunch believer he by the leave of Allah then learnt and practiced homeopathy because it seemed superior to allopathy; then left that for, he was not fully satisfied with that too; then he by the leave of Allah practiced acupuncture in a unique way, the world never knew 96:5 as taught by Allah curing tens of thousands freeing the patients from allopathy totally. he also taught this method of treatment to thousands of patients who came to him free of cost because his only aim was that allopathy cannot fit to be a curative treatment for mankind especially. those who learnt acupuncture from him are successful in their profession. later, when patients started talking about him to others as god by which they themselves committed shirk, fearing Allah he left acupuncture totally to free himself from the practitioners of acupuncture. and by Allah's grace further, he started teaching them how to get healed by the leave of Allah. now, again innumerable people with their families are leading a life without medicines and doctors.
he threw away his medical profession and is helping many to lead a life without any kind of medical system, believing only in Allah. his way of life inspired many medical doctors too and made them understand the truth about the modern medicine. some of the inspired doctors who came for treatment from him are following the path of Allah as a Curer along with their families. his signature http://foolproofcure.net will give you further details how he is inspiring many in the path of God.
Salaam DrGM,
Thank you brother for sharing this.
:bravo: :bravo: to brother Dr.Fazl
May Allah shower His blessing upon all of us and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: عوني on July 25, 2015, 07:25:27 AM
So what do you do if you get poisoned by a brown recluse spider? You don't go to the doctor?
When it comes to between life and death " One should never ever believe in Allah! " i think this should satisfy you for an answer.
Quote from: mmkhan on July 25, 2015, 07:45:39 AM
Salaam DrGM,
Thank you brother for sharing this.
:bravo: :bravo: to brother Dr.Fazl
May Allah shower His blessing upon all of us and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
salaam mmkhan,
thanks
Here is a problem of one of our brothers, whose identity I am not revealing because it is a pm. Yet it is important how to judge a situation in the light of Quran, it should be a situational effort to apply the Quran and the essence of its verses with reference to the context of the people involved. Here is the situation:
Assalamu alaykum,
I have a personal problem and I would really appreciate if you could give me some advice. I tried to know as to what to do but cannot do it on my own. My sister-in-law had extramarital affair for a year. This happened two years ago. Her husband threw her out for this and that's how we the family came to know about it. We told him that if he wants a divorce she has to stay in his house for three periods according to the Quran (2:228). But he took her back when she repented and fasted for two complete months as a punishment (although in Quran this is for accidental murder not adultery but it was her choice). They now live peacefully and even have another baby together.
Answer: What your brother did was perfect according to Quran; and what your sister-in-law did observing two months fasting with repentance, as a salvation to her sin is absolutely beautiful in the eyes of Allah. Your sister in law decided to fast for two consecutive months because she understood the pain she had inflicted to her husband?s heart and that she had almost killed her husband. Allah is most Forgiving, Merciful. Allah has forgiven the couple, has given peaceful life from Him, and also Allah had blessed them with another baby as a Sign from Him and of His Grace.
My problem is I don't know how to act towards her - we are being kind to her but I am thinking that maybe we are wrong in doing so (in the ayat about adultery it says we shouldn't have pity if we believe in Allah - but I'm not sure what this ayat means and how are we suppose to follow it). Someone said that maybe there weren't believers around and that's why the punishment never took place so does this mean I am not a believer?
Answer: You shall have no problem at all when Allah has Himself Forgiven them by His Mercy; and do not entertain your mind regarding this, that too after one year of their happiest living, only by His leave. Extend your fairness and pleasantness toward your sister in law; Allah will absolve you from your future sins. And here is the warning from Allah:
24.14 And now, and forever, had it not been for the grace and mercy of Allah, a severe punishment would have seized you because of your mental involvement in this affair.
I don't want to be rude and judge people - she repented and it is between her and Allah...Whenever she wants to visit I have this trouble and think that I should leave the house until she goes away or not accept her in.
Answer: You have no business in the life of the blessed couple; nor you will set out of your house to nowhere. You will accept the blessed couple.
What is your advice? Did we do the right thing in accepting her with her mistakes after she repented, or we mistaken for not being little more harsh towards her (in the light of Quran)?
Thank you for your time.
Answer: I think you know the answer by now.
If brothers here in this forum extend your views too, it would be of much help to the brother who had asked this questionnaire. He might choose what seems best and clear to his heart.
Quote from: عوني on July 25, 2015, 07:25:27 AM
So what do you do if you get poisoned by a brown recluse spider? You don't go to the doctor?
Problem with many of us is we are seeing Allah out of his creation, He is everything here, guiding us through His mercy and goodness for ever. But we are week, minute, powerless, knowledge-less compared to HIM who is 100%. We accept this and at times of sufferings we seek for his blessings and guidance, He will show his mercy through a good Doctor, Friend or the Malaikkahs(nature) and many more of his other creations.
Ummul Kitab
The Pre-determined Book
13.39 Allah effaces what He will and establishes what He will; and with Him is the ?predetermined Book?
@.
@ He is Allah who is watchful of everything each one earns. And they are on a clear record, the Book of witness to each one?s deeds, the mother of all Books. In it is the prescription for a term as to his redemption and reward for his repentance and allegiance 5/39; or a decree for his disobedience at the end of the term 29/21, specific for each individual. In 57/22 Allah says: Whatever that occurs in the earth and in you does not happen without a decree, pre-determined before it happens.
Salaam drfazl,
As per your friend/brother's case, I would like to add the following.
Please study 25:68 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=25&verse=68), 69 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=25&verse=69) and 70 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=25&verse=70) carefully. It includes zina [whatever it means] and also forgiveness when one repents.
This is purely between her and Allah and when Allah wanted to forgive such people who are we to interfere and go against it.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: amin on July 28, 2015, 12:38:16 AM
Problem with many of us is we are seeing Allah out of his creation, He is everything here, guiding us through His mercy and goodness for ever. But we are week, minute, powerless, knowledge-less compared to HIM who is 100%. We accept this and at times of sufferings we seek for his blessings and guidance, He will show his mercy through a good Doctor, Friend or the Malaikkahs(nature) and many more of his other creations.
Indeed.
Salaam
Salaam brother mmkhan,
Surely they 25: 68, 69 and 70 and 71 add to the Truthful Sign of Allah that we have no business in others' matters for all affairs return to Allah and Allah is Oft Relenting, Most Merciful. Thanks a lot brother.
False Histories
Against True Incidents?
14.9 Have not the news about the people of Nuh, Aad, Samud who went before and that of the people who followed them, come to you? None shall know about them except Allah
@; and their messengers brought to them clear proof; but they took their hands to their mouths and said, ?We certainly deny that which you are sent with; and we are in serious doubt concerning to what you call us.?
@ Apart from every messenger and prophet and their communities said in the Book, there are a great many number of people, communities and nations not mentioned in it. Allah says all the News about those people should have come to you, directly from Allah, had you asked about them from Allah, without seeking to invent stories and wanton documentation of the lies as histories about them. Allah says none but He has the truth
@ about that which you invented and preserved as histories. If we are believers in the All Knowing, All Encompassing, let us turn to Him for the truth about the histories as enshrined in the Book.
The lesson: Keep off from all Hadiths of all people's historical evidences. God only knows the real conflict between the Germans and the Jews.
Quote from: drfazl on July 29, 2015, 12:23:28 PM
Salaam brother mmkhan,
Surely they 25: 68, 69 and 70 and 71 add to the Truthful Sign of Allah that we have no business in others' matters for all affairs return to Allah and Allah is Oft Relenting, Most Merciful. Thanks a lot brother.
Salaam brother drfazl,
AlhamduliAllah!
You are very welcome :handshake:
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: drfazl on July 27, 2015, 09:40:51 PM
Here is a problem of one of our brothers
They now live peacefully and even have another baby together.
Answer: What your brother did was perfect according to Quran
; and what your sister-in-law did observing two months fasting with repentance, as a salvation to her sin
is absolutely beautiful in the eyes of Allah.
because she understood the pain she had inflicted
Allah has forgiven the couple
Allah had blessed them with another baby as a Sign from Him and of His Grace.
(in the ayat about adultery it says we shouldn't have pity if we believe in Allah - but I'm not sure what this ayat means and how are we suppose to follow it).
so does this mean I am not a believer?
Answer: You shall have no problem at all when Allah has Himself Forgiven them by His Mercy; and do not entertain your mind regarding this
Allah will absolve you from your future sins.
would have seized you because of your mental involvement in this affair.
Answer: You have no business in the life of the blessed couple; nor you will set out of your house to nowhere. You will accept the blessed couple.
or we mistaken for not being little more harsh towards her (in the light of Quran)?
Answer: I think you know the answer by now.
If brothers here in this forum extend your views too, it would be of much help to the brother who had asked this questionnaire. He might choose what seems best and clear to his heart.
To his heart? Does the heart provide the right answers always? What then of the "diseased" hearts that are spoken of so often?
Besides your other blasphemies, you've added to your list here by speaking on behalf of Allah as if you have some secret knowledge regarding what Allah thinks, when even Jesus said he does not know what is in the thoughts of Allah. Really, look at how you have no hesitation to pronounce things as if you know. Would a believer, who should fear Allah, speak on Allah's behalf as you have here? To top it off, instead of showing what the Qur'an says on the matter, you make up your own rules. Why are you such a huge blasphemer in every regard? Should anyone follow your advice? Remember what is supposed to be the case of those who followed Pharoah? They are said to continue to follow him, and he takes them to a watering hole in hell. I'm not saying you're going to hell, I don't know where you are going or even where you are now, but I can say out of my gross compassion for you (I could just leave you without warning you at all so that you increase in your sins as you seem to anyway) that you should beware of the way you are talking.
I posted what you said boldly and dangerously above.
It is considered a grave sin by the standards mentioned in the Qur'an to make statements on behalf of Allah when Allah has not given you any such position to do so. All I've said before (which you seemed to reject) was that Allah alone has all the power, there is no other power but Allah (that is the essence of all Islam) but what you did is different, you pronounced your own little proclamations of what Allah is thinking and has done. You have no right to do so, people are supposed to be punished horribly in the afterlife for less than that. It annoys me to even try to help you, but it is more important for me to speak rightly, also so that the other people notice and can be aware and correct themselves and stay away from the mode of speech which you used here in making bold proclamations of what Allah is thinking and doing.
If the Brother is viewing this, and he probably isn't (so if someone can show him what I wrote, and he can email me at foxyfoxgames@gmail.com), his doubts and concerns are because he is genuinely concerned it seems, whereas for drfazl its easy to just say what Allah is thinking or whatever apparently.
Look at this blasphemy:
"What your brother did is perfect according to the Quran" he said. What? It is perfect according to the Quran to disobey what the Qur'an says explicitly? The Qur'an says to punish them, and not to have compassion or pity in the matter. He had compassion in the matter and she was not punished. I too would have probably not punished her, but that doesn't mean it is "perfect according to the Quran", not at all, the Qur'an has given explicit instructions on this matter.
Next blasphemy from the one who tells people to harm their bodies and perpetuate disease:
There is no guarantee whatsoever her fasting counted for anything, it is for Allah to decide, not "drfazl" who knows nothing at all and is an extraordinary blasphemer and leader towards harm.
It may count for something, but drfazl doesn't know for certain, nor does anyone but Allah. This is the correct way to think of the matter, not in bold lies to yourself.
Then the blasphemer said "absolutely beautiful in the eyes of Allah". What do you know about the sight of Allah and how Allah views any of it? What if Allah views what she did as horrific and her avoidance of the punishment and her fasting even to be an unrighteous effort? Allah knows, and you do not not know, so how dare you say what is "absolutely beautiful in the eyes of Allah"? Huh? Cease and desist, or continue your blasphemy and see what comes of it. You, like many of those before you, might be given a long and happy rein in this life, lots of rope in your trespasses, so that you say "I must be right, look at how I am not harmed while the others suffer".
There is no guarantee she has been "saved" by her fasting or anything else. Abraham never stopped asking that his prayers be accepted, they all continued to ask for forgiveness, there is no guarantee, even when Allah has said a thing, it is up to Allah to make it so or not, and Allah has not said to you "she is forgiven" and even if you heard a voice in your head say that, there is no guarantee that is true or not.
You have no knowledge of what Allah is doing or if Allah has forgiven her or accepted her efforts or any of that, her efforts may be fraud, she may still be evil, Allah knows, you don't know. The angels don't even know, but drfazl can make proclamations and say what Allah is thinking and doing?
"Because she understood the pain she caused" oh really? Was that on her mind when she was cheating? She understood the pain so she simply didn't eat much as if she did an accidental murder? The penalty for deliberate murder can be death. She didn't do an accidental murder, she did a deliberate and conscious crime, and she did not receive the punishment mentioned in the Qur'an, so where do you come in announcing that "Allah has forgiven the couple". Who says? drfazl says? You have no knowledge of that, Judgment day has not occurred even, but you know even less as you don't even know these people!
Then you say "Allah had blessed them with another baby as a Sign from Him and of His Grace."
Haha, what? You are announcing this is necessarily a good sign? Again, what do you know?
Do you remember this verse in the Qur'an?
64:14
O ye who believe! Truly, among your wives and your children are (some that are) enemies to yourselves: so beware of them! But if ye forgive and overlook, and cover up (their faults), verily Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
It doesn't say "Allah surely forgives those you forgive", but it does say that even the children can be enemies or a test or even a cause of suffering. There is nothing about all children being a necessarily good thing. It has further bound him to this adultress too, there could be many angles to this, and what the bottom line comes to is you and I don't know. drfazl does not know, can you comprehend that? Let me say it again so that you get it through your free-mind, drfazl does not know, drfazl does not know anything much at all.
Is that hard for you to swallow after your blasphemous proclamations above? I'm offering you a gift, of right thinking in regard to religion, will you refuse it? What is the gift? The gift is this: "drfazl does not know, Allah knows, drfazl does not know". Take the gift, and absorb the understanding that you do not know, so can't make proclamations like you have. Will you cease in your crimes? I doubt it, but I don't know, maybe you will, if Allah wants you to stop blaspheming and start thinking right, but calling you is like calling someone far away, the fog in between us is caused by the gas that puffs you up into thinking it is perfectly fine to make proclamations like you have here "Allah forgives them" "Allah thinks this is beautiful" what in the world are you talking about?
Even the brother who is foolishly asking advice from you, you who is among the worst of the evildoers on this website for aforementioned reasons (leading people to harming themselves potentially and the perpetuation of diseases, among many other great crimes and blasphemies, a genuine evildoer and criminal for doing that, really, really bad even though you might be doing it out of some skewed sense of piety without any regard to the implications involved, then boldly proclaiming things on behalf of Allah to complete the package of a thoroughly bad character), even that brother had more knowledge than you when he remembered the verse in the Qur'an mentioning no pity in the matter of punishment for this (for logical reasons too).
I feel bad even telling you how bad you are because you're probably some elderly fellow, it hurts my feelings to be so harsh with you, but you are honestly a terrible, evil person for what you are doing. Evil means "harmful" and what you are doing is indeed very clearly "harmful". Please stop. I wish I didn't even have this much mercy to try to correct you, but everyone should see what is wrong, so just like Pharoah is used as an example in the Qur'an, drfazl can be used as an example too, though maybe you can have a better story by correcting your habits, it only takes a small adjustment of being more wary in your speech regarding Allah's views. Just know you can not speak as if you are speaking on behalf of Allah, saying that Allah has forgiven, Allah views this or that as beautiful, or whatever. This is a particular case, and you don't know what Allah's views are on anything ever. Even if the Qur'an says something, you can only say "The Qur'an says such and such here" but you can't say what it definitely means or what Allah meant by it for certain or how it definitely applies to this case either. You can bring up points, you can say "maybe", but you never know if Allah has put something there for this reason or that reason. Just reduce that boldness for your own sake.
The brother asked "so does this mean I am not a believer?". Look, this guy is genuinely concerned, and that concern indicates to me that he seems to be more afraid than you, drfazl the fearless, and should seek advice from someone better than you and less bold and prone to blurting out things they have no knowledge of whatsoever in a fashion that indicates you have some knowledge regarding Allah's views on this matter.
So if someone can tell the brother to look at what I've said here. He should know in his case that behaving decently is fine for him, but he should be reserved too and if he fears that Allah will view him badly and that it would be better he is not around when she visits, then he might be best served by doing that, but I don't think anything like that is mentioned in the Qur'an really. This case was about your brother forgiving his wife and taking her back and her not being punished. Luckily this woman is not your wife or anything, so I would think the best way is just to behave normally and decently, whatever you think is most noble and dignified on your part when dealing with believers or disbelievers, and a good guiding factor is also to consider how you might want to be treated and forgiven. The rest is up to the husband and Allah, I don't think this is a matter really pertaining the other relatives necessarily, and there is no indication in the Qur'an that says you need to be the one to whip her butt over this issue. She is a disgusting human being, but there are many disgusting human beings in this world, many of whom might visit this website. You are more likely to do wrong by being rude or harmful towards her than in being decent and reserved, so take the path that is safest and least daring, and Allah knows, and you do not know, and whenever you see her or remember, ask for your own forgiveness and to be saved from evil and evil actions (and you can include to be saved from being like drfazl, because he is an example of some of the worst qualities that can come about).
drfazl goes way too far, as he tends to, by calling them "the blessed couple" and then saying "you will" do this or that. drfazl has no knowledge if they are truly "blessed" or not, they may be "cursed" for all he knows, he knows nothing much, nor is he in a position to command what you will do, nor does he know what you will do.
"I think you know the answer by now" which is that drfazl knows very little, and is far too bold in his statements, exaggerating and making claims he has no knowledge of regarding Allah's views or what Allah is doing.
Finally, he mentions the "heart", and remember that the "heart" is not at all a guide to right action whatsoever, because it is the same thing that the Qur'an calls "diseased" in many people, and many people say "my heart tells me to do this" and they are wrong or they say "my heart says Jesus is the son of God" and they are exaggerators and liars, similar perhaps to drfazl.
drfazl, I told you what makes me angry, why don't you make me happy for once by responding by correcting your habits and simply saying "I have heeded the warning, I will try to correct my speech patterns" you can even throw in "my intentions were good", because I do think your intentions at least probably are good, but what you do, regardless of any intentions you may have, is fully evil. Haha the song I'm listening even is saying right now "there is an evil inside" and mentions a "darkness in the mind" which is what I'm talking about.
If it is unclear what I am telling you, I am telling you and everyone here you should be careful not to say "Allah views it this way" "Allah has forgiven such and such" or any such other things of which you have no knowledge.
Furthermore, cease and desist with your criminal activities, such as leading people to potentially harming themselves or their family members by not receiving medical help which if received fast enough may prevent further damage to the body in some cases, and is part of the fight against the perpetuation of disease. Do not continue your disease spreading, backwards talk, leading people to harm, understand the implications. I've even shown you so much from the Qur'an which you basically ignored or considered irrelevent.
Remember, I strongly dislike you, because you are a very bad person (because of what you say and how you say it too).
I'm more tolerant of other members here because they are just mentally deficient or whatever, but they don't go around telling people to genuinely harm themselves potentially in ways that might damage their bodies, then topping that off with uttering shirk as your justification for the ideas, then topping even that off by making bold proclamations saying that Allah has forgiven such and such and whatever.
Get it under control if you can. You probably won't be able to though, as you may be crazy or something.
The Qur'an basically uses the term "mentally ill" more than any other religious book it seems, since the "heart" seems to refer to the "understanding" of people, the place of their thoughts and comprehension, and then calls it "diseased" in many cases, so literally saying "mentally ill" "diseased place of understanding" "diseased mind".
If you can't get it under control, then it may be that you're just mentally diseased, and there is perhaps no helping or saving you, but at least people can see what is written here and be wary of following the same path.
14.24 Beheld not thee, how Allah coins a similitude? A goodly saying, as a goodly tree; its roots are set firm; its branches reaching into heaven.
14.25 The tree gives its fruits all the time by the leave of Allah; Allah gives such examples so that man reminisces.
NOTE:
The moment a child is born copious milk starts pouring from mother?s breasts instantly and then onwards nonstop flow of milk for months and months to come to nourish the baby; we have to reminisce this as we grow and shall show our gratitude to Allah that Allah will feed us without scarcity till the end of each of our lives. If we are grateful for this, then our goodly exchange of saying to each other is: Allah is Truthful; Allah is the Provider; Allah is the Sustainer; Allah is the Giver of life; Allah is Most Pure in His Promises and that we shall believe in Allah in that He will feed us with pure food instantly and incessantly throughout our lives; its fruit bearing branches have already reached into heavens. So we would lead a heavenly life here and in the Hereafter. But forgetting Allah we believe we have to earn for our livelihood as money which shall avail us not a drop of pure water, nor an atom of pure air, nor a grain of pure food from which not even an ounce of pure energy we receive from it; rather the foods are sacks of poisons, the water is bottles of venom and the air atmosphere has become full of diseases causing virulent gases which produces lethal germs, bacteria and viruses. This is one closest example to show that we do not give thanks to Allah for we do not reminisce Allah?s Benevolence.
14.26 And the example of the evil words is an evil tree pulled out from the earth?s surface; and it has no lasting.
Quote from: drfazl on July 31, 2015, 12:55:51 PM
14.24 Beheld not thee, how Allah coins a similitude? A goodly saying, as a goodly tree; its roots are set firm; its branches reaching into heaven.
14.25 The tree gives its fruits all the time by the leave of Allah; Allah gives such examples so that man reminisces.
NOTE:
The moment a child is born copious milk starts pouring from mother?s breasts instantly and then onwards nonstop flow of milk for months and months to come to nourish the baby; we have to reminisce this as we grow and shall show our gratitude to Allah that Allah will feed us without scarcity till the end of each of our lives. If we are grateful for this, then our goodly exchange of saying to each other is: Allah is Truthful; Allah is the Provider; Allah is the Sustainer; Allah is the Giver of life; Allah is Most Pure in His Promises and that we shall believe in Allah in that He will feed us with pure food instantly and incessantly throughout our lives; its fruit bearing branches have already reached into heavens. So we would lead a heavenly life here and in the Hereafter. But forgetting Allah we believe we have to earn for our livelihood as money which shall avail us not a drop of pure water, nor an atom of pure air, nor a grain of pure food from which not even an ounce of pure energy we receive from it; rather the foods are sacks of poisons, the water is bottles of venom and the air atmosphere has become full of diseases causing virulent gases which produces lethal germs, bacteria and viruses. This is one closest example to show that we do not give thanks to Allah for we do not reminisce Allah?s Benevolence.
14.26 And the example of the evil words is an evil tree pulled out from the earth?s surface; and it has no lasting.
You have put Allah at odds with some things as if Allah is not the creator of every detail. You make it as though the organic is distinct from the technological when all is part of the reality and all is created by Allah too, it is not that some things are and some things aren't. Please read the above post I made to you so that you stop misleading people, thank you.
2:109. Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you back to infidelity after you have believed, from foolishness, after the Truth has become Manifest unto them: But forgive and pardon, till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah has power over all things.
Note: it is important to forgive and pardon till a stated term from Allah is completed on the rebellious disobeying people who desire to push Allah into oblivion.
Quote from: drfazl on July 31, 2015, 12:55:51 PM
14.24 Beheld not thee, how Allah coins a similitude? A goodly saying, as a goodly tree; its roots are set firm; its branches reaching into heaven.
14.25 The tree gives its fruits all the time by the leave of Allah; Allah gives such examples so that man reminisces.
NOTE:
The moment a child is born copious milk starts pouring from mother?s breasts instantly and then onwards nonstop flow of milk for months and months to come to nourish the baby; we have to reminisce this as we grow and shall show our gratitude to Allah that Allah will feed us without scarcity till the end of each of our lives. If we are grateful for this, then our goodly exchange of saying to each other is: Allah is Truthful; Allah is the Provider; Allah is the Sustainer; Allah is the Giver of life; Allah is Most Pure in His Promises and that we shall believe in Allah in that He will feed us with pure food instantly and incessantly throughout our lives; its fruit bearing branches have already reached into heavens. So we would lead a heavenly life here and in the Hereafter. But forgetting Allah we believe we have to earn for our livelihood as money which shall avail us not a drop of pure water, nor an atom of pure air, nor a grain of pure food from which not even an ounce of pure energy we receive from it; rather the foods are sacks of poisons, the water is bottles of venom and the air atmosphere has become full of diseases causing virulent gases which produces lethal germs, bacteria and viruses. This is one closest example to show that we do not give thanks to Allah for we do not reminisce Allah?s Benevolence.
14.26 And the example of the evil words is an evil tree pulled out from the earth?s surface; and it has no lasting.
Peace,
I agree with you completely brother. MashaAllah.
Some people believe that everything even wrong and evil is also from Allah and they don't fear to say such lies upon Allah. :&
An example of such people is mentioned below:
6:148 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=6&verse=148)
سَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا لَوْ شَاءَ اللَّـهُ مَا أَشْرَكْنَا وَلَا آبَاؤُنَا وَلَا حَرَّمْنَا مِن شَيْءٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ كَذَّبَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ حَتَّىٰ ذَاقُوا بَأْسَنَا ۗ قُلْ هَلْ عِندَكُم مِّنْ عِلْمٍ فَتُخْرِجُوهُ لَنَا ۖ إِن تَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا تَخْرُصُونَThose who associated with Allah will say, "If Allah had willed, we would not have associated and neither would our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything." Likewise did those before deny until they tasted Our punishment. Say, "Do you have any knowledge that you can produce for us? You follow not except assumption, and you are not but falsifying."
7:28 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=7&verse=28)
وَإِذَا فَعَلُوا فَاحِشَةً قَالُوا وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهَا آبَاءَنَا وَاللَّـهُ أَمَرَنَا بِهَا ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ لَا يَأْمُرُ بِالْفَحْشَاءِ ۖ أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَAnd when they commit an immorality, they say, "We found our fathers doing it, and Allah has ordered us to do it." Say, "Indeed, Allah does not order immorality. Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: mmkhan on August 01, 2015, 07:17:23 AM
Peace,
I agree with you completely brother. MashaAllah.
Some people believe that everything even wrong and evil is also from Allah and they don't fear to say such lies upon Allah. :&
An example of such people is mentioned below:
6:148 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=6&verse=148)
سَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا لَوْ شَاءَ اللَّـهُ مَا أَشْرَكْنَا وَلَا آبَاؤُنَا وَلَا حَرَّمْنَا مِن شَيْءٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ كَذَّبَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ حَتَّىٰ ذَاقُوا بَأْسَنَا ۗ قُلْ هَلْ عِندَكُم مِّنْ عِلْمٍ فَتُخْرِجُوهُ لَنَا ۖ إِن تَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا تَخْرُصُونَ
Those who associated with Allah will say, "If Allah had willed, we would not have associated and neither would our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything." Likewise did those before deny until they tasted Our punishment. Say, "Do you have any knowledge that you can produce for us? You follow not except assumption, and you are not but falsifying."
7:28 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=7&verse=28)
وَإِذَا فَعَلُوا فَاحِشَةً قَالُوا وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهَا آبَاءَنَا وَاللَّـهُ أَمَرَنَا بِهَا ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ لَا يَأْمُرُ بِالْفَحْشَاءِ ۖ أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
And when they commit an immorality, they say, "We found our fathers doing it, and Allah has ordered us to do it." Say, "Indeed, Allah does not order immorality. Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Very appropriate ayats brother; May Allah bless you. 6/148, 7/28 aptly fit Freedomstands; he is blind in his hearts. Who can bring one to straight path when Allah has left him far astray?
Quote from: mmkhan on August 01, 2015, 07:17:23 AM
Peace,
Some people believe that everything even wrong and evil is also from Allah and they don't fear to say such lies upon Allah. :&
peace bro,
agree
Quote from: drfazl on August 01, 2015, 07:47:54 AM
Very appropriate ayats brother; May Allah bless you.
Peace brother,
Thank you.
May Allah bless you too :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: DrGm on August 01, 2015, 07:53:09 AM
peace bro,
agree
Peace brother,
Thank you.
May Allah bless you :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: drfazl on August 01, 2015, 07:47:54 AM
Very appropriate ayats brother; May Allah bless you. 6/148, 7/28 aptly fit Freedomstands; he is blind in his hearts. Who can bring one to straight path when Allah has left him far astray?
Allah has not made a book where he "orders immorality" of people, for example the Qur'an does not order immorality. They were lying that Allah has told them that their evil deeds are good. This is not the same as what I am saying at all, and you are merely lying (as usual, because you're evil of course).
Allah does say "Had Allah not willed, they would not have done it". Does that strike any memory in your head? Also "Allah sets up enemies". In other words, he is making them and what is bad (or is there some other power doing it? Blasphemer?).
That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it, but Allah created all things and all events occurring (including the particular death of anyone including a little child) is from Allah, the people don't choose anything. The Qur'an says all that I'm saying. If you say otherwise, you're attributing powers to something else.
The Qur'an clearly says that Allah is the one who has control over everything, wills whatever happens, that doesn't mean it is good for people always, and that doesn't mean that Allah has instructed in the religious books for them to do these things, which is why they were lying. Do you understand? You probably don't, and if you do, you deny it anyway, why? Allah wills it.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 02, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it,
That is the very point that has to be made.
Wrong and bad are human measures, (they are not even for animals or stones), not for God. God does not do right and wrong. He is God, He is not going to suffer any consequences of infringring any laws, because he is the law and everything is within His kingdom. He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.
BUT
He tells us he is fair, just, equitable, merciful and ALLPOWERFUL, therefore whatever thing he does to us that we consider bad or wrong, it is in God's power to turn into bliss and glory. We will not be shortchanged. Therefore we cannot say that God wrongs us. We may not approve of it, but we can do nothing about it. But we can accpet his rulings with grace and thank for having an existence. That we could not give to ourselves, therefore, even for us God is even more than the best, He is Everything.
It is us who live in the kindom of right and wrong, bad and good, purity and evil. Those are words for us, not for Him. Those are words for the laws that apply for us, a creation of His. They do not apply to Him.
Huwa Al-lahu ahad,
allahu samad
lam yakid wa lam yulad
wa
lam yakllahu kufwan ahad
Salaam al Quddus
Quote from: huruf on August 02, 2015, 07:52:39 PM
That is the very point that has to be made.
Wrong and bad are human measures, (they are not even for animals or stones), not for God. God does not do right and wrong. He is God, He is not going to suffer any consequences of infringring any laws, because he is the law and everything is within His kingdom. He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.
BUT
He tells us he is fair, just, equitable, merciful and ALLPOWERFUL, therefore whatever thing he does to us that we consider bad or wrong, it is in God's power to turn into bliss and glory. We will not be shortchanged. Therefore we cannot say that God wrongs us. We may not approve of it, but we can do nothing about it. But we can accpet his rulings with grace and thank for having an existence. That we could not give to ourselves, therefore, even for us God is even more than the best, He is Everything.
It is us who live in the kindom of right and wrong, bad and good, purity and evil. Those are words for us, not for Him. Those are words for the laws that apply for us, a creation of His. They do not apply to Him.
Huwa Al-lahu ahad,
allahu samad
lam yakid wa lam yulad
wa
lam yakllahu kufwan ahad
Salaam al Quddus
Very good work. Finally someone says something good on this website!
Quote from: huruf on August 02, 2015, 07:52:39 PM
He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.
Salaam al Quddus
peace,
my God never do this to me... not to anyone; nor do i find any support from quran.
Quote from: DrGm on August 03, 2015, 01:43:19 AM
peace,
my God never do this to me... not to anyone; nor do i find any support from quran.
Having "all power" and "no authority above him" should be enough to understand that Allah can do whatever Allah wills, and people can say "it is wrong" and it doesn't matter what people say.
Allah creates evils in every detail to deter man from becoming a froward due to his ungratefulness, pride, and rejection of all goodly behaviours and thus against Godly conduct. Allah creates such evil upon man to suit the gravity of each and everyone's rebellion against God's warnings and glad tidings. He is so astute that He gives just recompense to the unbelievers. And to the nature, surrounding man from heavens above down to the earth Allah's command to them all is, to act upon man, justly, according to his rebelliousness to the dos and the don'ts of Allah.
34:33 We will put shackles on the necks of those who disbelieved. Will they be recompensed except for what they used to do?
Allah allows one to go astray into a world of evil He creates currently for each unbelieving, according to his level of wickedness as a punishment unto him. It is thus an evil one, disorders Allah's all good to evil that should turn against his own self by Allah's decree. What we shall remember at this point is, there is just response as evil creations, to every evil behaviour of us, in the atmosphere all around us - the shape, the form and the nature of it and the time and period of its occurrence upon us is not disclosed to us by Allah. But our mindful behaviour shall create good for good; and evil for evil, by the leave of Allah. So behave! indulge not in transgression against Allah, and cause not your own evil and peril.
Every ayat of Quran gives way to get into one's own deviated path and final doom; at the same time the same ayat guides another to the more and more righteous ways by Allah's leave. Therefore one might think as though whatever he thinks is there in Quran - this is that Allah wish to leave him in his own mischievous path. We shall always fear that Allah shall guide us to His intended beautiful life He promised for us. Allah loves the God fearing and Wills all guidance to Him; Allah guides whom He Will.
Allah has control over everything
The Most Abundant is Allah's Name; so He shall not put controls on the good deeds because one who involves him in righteousness Allah raises him further upon His Benevolence,
but, when one involves in evil and mischief, Allah puts controls over him by making him suffer the evil he created and earned for himself 42/30. Even upon this evil Allah puts His breaks by forgiving most of his evil works that would create evil loads which would finally descend upon him.
Allah does whatever He wills
Allah recompenses every one justly; He is Most Forgiving; one cannot ask Allah why He has not punished any one, for He is Most Merciful. He does only good; and never does He punish instantly anyone's evil deeds for He knows everything, we never would know except by His leave; so be patient until the most Forgiving and the most Merciful, and the Knower of the hidden and the manifest of each and everything - makes you know about His decree and design.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 02, 2015, 03:09:14 PM
Allah has not made a book where he "orders immorality" of people, for example the Qur'an does not order immorality. They were lying that Allah has told them that their evil deeds are good. This is not the same as what I am saying at all, and you are merely lying (as usual, because you're evil of course).
What are you saying then? That God
Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran? That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts. I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme.
As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help. As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!
Quote from: FreedomStandsIn other words, he is making them and what is bad (or is there some other power doing it? Blasphemer?).
To both drfazl and FreedomStands:
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?
Quote from: FreedomStandsAllah does say "Had Allah not willed, they would not have done it". Does that strike any memory in your head? Also "Allah sets up enemies".
Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.
2:220
4:90
5:48
6:35
6:107
6:137
6:148 - See 16:35
7:176
So the person spoken of in 7:176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire? was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God? Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance. God does not guide the wrongdoers. They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills.
13:31
16:35*
*Those who associate others with Allah
say exactly what you are saying, do you yet still not reflect? Allah wills people to go astray because of what is in their own hearts and their own evil inclinations. They like you, also argued that whatever they do or anyone else does or did, including generations before them is because God wills/willed them to do it. Still no effort at thought on your part?
16:93*
*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse: after the "part" with what you constantly cite
"...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".
How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?
23:24
42:8
6:69
7:26
7:174
Do you understand the implications of the conditional statement identifier "If" FreedomStands? As well as "Perhaps/Maybe" ?- (God frequently uses this in the Quran, see 4:90 and 14:25 for example) Or do you not use your mind on purpose?
Quote from: FreedomStandsThat does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it, but Allah created all things and all events occurring (including the particular death of anyone including a little child) is from Allah, the people don't choose anything. The Qur'an says all that I'm saying. If you say otherwise, you're attributing powers to something else.
What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God) ? Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!
14:27
3:86
5:67
5:108
6:144
9:19
9:24
9:37
9:80
9:109
12:52* Or do you contradict God that God is the one who Willed and guided the plan of the betrayers? like you claim everywhere else that God Wills and guides the doings and inclinations of the wrongdoing folk. Who are the wrongdoing folk? Have you ever given thought?
46:10
61:5* Do you still not understand FreedomStands? It is the people who deviated, God did not send them astray or deviate
till they themselves inclined to and did evil despite the guidance!
61:7
62:5
11:101*
*Do you see anywhere in the Quran that God sends astray the good doers and believing people? Everywhere it is the wrongdoers that God sends astray! Yet you insist that God makes people do evil or good. Do you not use your mind? Does God wrong them? or they wrong themselves? - thus does God leave such people astray.
Quote from: FreedomStandsThe Qur'an clearly says that Allah is the one who has control over everything, wills whatever happens, that doesn't mean it is good for people always, and that doesn't mean that Allah has instructed in the religious books for them to do these things, which is why they were lying. Do you understand? You probably don't, and if you do, you deny it anyway, why? Allah wills it.
There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.
QuoteAs for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.
In everything God has created are evil and certain good, unless Allah's names are remembered and invoked upon them before our usage of them; but if we do not invoke His Names upon them, Allah warns of severe consequences from them all.
"Not all affect everyone the same way." Can you explain why, and how these differences happen - from Quran? Why will they have no effect at all in some? Why almost all people die under critical care, finally? Does it mean Allah had deliberately misguided asking the patients to go to doctors leaving Allah behind? I wish you cited the verses from Quran at least while concluding, that Allah guides us to the doctors while He inflicts punishment on us, for our evil deeds, by way of diseases.
So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.
It can be written this way to comply with Allah and His Quran:
So whoever guides them in Allah's way as to how to make good use of Allah's creations ..... 5/32.
As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people.
truly helping someone seeking help in illness
We have to seek protection from shaitan as prophet Ayyub turned to Allah alone, finally. Prophet Ayyub admits to Allah, that he has every means of man invented methods of cure believing them all, until he came to a point of no return, when he was guided to turn to Allah; and Prophet Ibrahim followed the same line when he said, "it is Allah who heals me when I am down with diseases." Both the prophets did not drive mankind to doctors or medical systems, for their diseases.
Now you tell me what do you mean by truly rely on God alone. I do need an explanation to these words when you ask the ill to go to doctors. What is your account with God now?
God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people.
God restricts you by all means and forms not to seek help materially from people when you are ill or afflicted.
To both drfazl and FreedomStands:
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?
When I speak of the Book, do you still pose this question? Point out to me from all my postings which one I have not spoken of the Book or contradicted any of its verses, if you are truthful; Do not become like freedomstands!
Quote from: drfazl on August 03, 2015, 06:59:33 AM
So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.
It can be written this way to comply with Allah and His Quran:
So whoever guides them in Allah's way as to how to make good use of Allah's creations ..... 5/32.
5:32 specifically talks about something else entirely.
I seek God's refuge from being amongst the ignorant ones.
5:32 specifically talks about something else entirely.
Give me your interpretation of the ayat with regard to the present conflict between you and me; do not give your dictionary meanings; I want the sense from you of the ayat and how to apply 5/32 to suit the present situation especially between the two of us, if you are a believer in the ayats that every verse of it is suitable to all mankind of all the worlds of all times, the past, the present and for the entire future.
Quote from: drfazl on July 27, 2015, 09:40:51 PM
Here is a problem of one of our brothers, whose identity I am not revealing because it is a pm. Yet it is important how to judge a situation in the light of Quran, it should be a situational effort to apply the Quran and the essence of its verses with reference to the context of the people involved. Here is the situation:
Assalamu alaykum,
I have a personal problem and I would really appreciate if you could give me some advice. I tried to know as to what to do but cannot do it on my own. My sister-in-law had extramarital affair for a year. This happened two years ago. Her husband threw her out for this and that's how we the family came to know about it. We told him that if he wants a divorce she has to stay in his house for three periods according to the Quran (2:228). But he took her back when she repented and fasted for two complete months as a punishment (although in Quran this is for accidental murder not adultery but it was her choice). They now live peacefully and even have another baby together.
Answer: What your brother did was perfect according to Quran; and what your sister-in-law did observing two months fasting with repentance, as a salvation to her sin is absolutely beautiful in the eyes of Allah. Your sister in law decided to fast for two consecutive months because she understood the pain she had inflicted to her husband?s heart and that she had almost killed her husband. Allah is most Forgiving, Merciful. Allah has forgiven the couple, has given peaceful life from Him, and also Allah had blessed them with another baby as a Sign from Him and of His Grace.
My problem is I don't know how to act towards her - we are being kind to her but I am thinking that maybe we are wrong in doing so (in the ayat about adultery it says we shouldn't have pity if we believe in Allah - but I'm not sure what this ayat means and how are we suppose to follow it). Someone said that maybe there weren't believers around and that's why the punishment never took place so does this mean I am not a believer?
Answer: You shall have no problem at all when Allah has Himself Forgiven them by His Mercy; and do not entertain your mind regarding this, that too after one year of their happiest living, only by His leave. Extend your fairness and pleasantness toward your sister in law; Allah will absolve you from your future sins. And here is the warning from Allah:
24.14 And now, and forever, had it not been for the grace and mercy of Allah, a severe punishment would have seized you because of your mental involvement in this affair.
I don't want to be rude and judge people - she repented and it is between her and Allah...Whenever she wants to visit I have this trouble and think that I should leave the house until she goes away or not accept her in.
Answer: You have no business in the life of the blessed couple; nor you will set out of your house to nowhere. You will accept the blessed couple.
What is your advice? Did we do the right thing in accepting her with her mistakes after she repented, or we mistaken for not being little more harsh towards her (in the light of Quran)?
Thank you for your time.
Answer: I think you know the answer by now.
If brothers here in this forum extend your views too, it would be of much help to the brother who had asked this questionnaire. He might choose what seems best and clear to his heart.
Quote from: drfazl on August 03, 2015, 07:14:21 AM
To both drfazl and FreedomStands:
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?
When I speak of the Book, do you still pose this question? Point out to me from all my postings which one I have not spoken of the Book or contradicted any of its verses, if you are truthful; Do not become like freedomstands!
I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.
Quote from: A.W on August 03, 2015, 06:29:30 AM
I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base.
thanks for judging! that: 'gaining customer base'?; and 'are up to' . keep it up, great find.
classical medical science wars?.. this is what you are able to
see in the posts.
mixing beliefs!? in the competition... when the need is filled by Allah alone, who is the competitor? can you understand what Allah alone meant here bro.
I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did.Is Quran not a guidance to all mankind?
If yes, then why did you not answer from Quran? I have referenced 24/14 for my guidance; at least speak on that with your interpretation; you will not do anything but comment on the guidance foolishly in the first place and then say: I do not engage in foolish arguments.
Quoteno intention of going into foolish arguments
Quote from: A.W on August 03, 2015, 07:35:21 AM
I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.
3.23 Beheld not thee ? those to who We had given a limited wisdom of the Book? They are called upon for the justice with total wisdom of Allah; but a party of them turns away; it is they who are averse.
Quote from: A.W on August 03, 2015, 07:35:21 AM
I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.
Peace brother,
It is OK that you try to keep yourself on safe side but how will you understand
5:49 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=49)? And you are correct when you are not judging if you do not know the answer.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: A.W on August 03, 2015, 06:29:30 AM
Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!
...
There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.
quran say this:
2.172 O you who believe! Eat of the good provisions We have provided for you. And if it is Allah whom you obey, be grateful to Him.
26.79 - It is He who gives me food; and it is He who gives my drink
and says this:
26.80 - when i am ill; it is He who Heals me
quran guides us to eat; so not a shirk when you buy a bread. its shirk, only when you took the trader or anyone or anything for sustenance. do not say that is not intended. but the quran never said take medical help, its shirk. i know, almost all save some, shirk medical systems; this is hard for everyone who do not believe Allah alone. either you need proof in person to believe by the leave of Allah or Allah may make you a proof. anyway in this one is little easy path.
Allah Alone is His will, if you wish for it - it is there by His will. He will guide you individual, in your own pace. if you do not wish?
QuoteThere is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.
Quote from: A.W on August 03, 2015, 06:29:30 AM
What are you saying then? That God Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran? That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts. I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme.
As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help. As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!
To both drfazl and FreedomStands:
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?
Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.
2:220
4:90
5:48
6:35
6:107
6:137
6:148 - See 16:35
7:176
So the person spoken of in 7:176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire? was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God? Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance. God does not guide the wrongdoers. They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills.
13:31
16:35*
*Those who associate others with Allah say exactly what you are saying, do you yet still not reflect? Allah wills people to go astray because of what is in their own hearts and their own evil inclinations. They like you, also argued that whatever they do or anyone else does or did, including generations before them is because God wills/willed them to do it. Still no effort at thought on your part?
16:93*
*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse: after the "part" with what you constantly cite
"...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".
How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?
23:24
42:8
6:69
7:26
7:174
Do you understand the implications of the conditional statement identifier "If" FreedomStands? As well as "Perhaps/Maybe" ?- (God frequently uses this in the Quran, see 4:90 and 14:25 for example) Or do you not use your mind on purpose?
What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God) ? Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!
14:27
3:86
5:67
5:108
6:144
9:19
9:24
9:37
9:80
9:109
12:52* Or do you contradict God that God is the one who Willed and guided the plan of the betrayers? like you claim everywhere else that God Wills and guides the doings and inclinations of the wrongdoing folk. Who are the wrongdoing folk? Have you ever given thought?
46:10
61:5* Do you still not understand FreedomStands? It is the people who deviated, God did not send them astray or deviate till they themselves inclined to and did evil despite the guidance!
61:7
62:5
11:101*
*Do you see anywhere in the Quran that God sends astray the good doers and believing people? Everywhere it is the wrongdoers that God sends astray! Yet you insist that God makes people do evil or good. Do you not use your mind? Does God wrong them? or they wrong themselves? - thus does God leave such people astray.
There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.
Hi.
Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says. I've provided numerous quotes from the Qur'an but you think I'm just making it up or something. I come from the angle of logic too, since you seem to not be understanding why it has to be the case and can not be otherwise, since if it is otherwise, another power altogether is being made "determiner". This is where you might be having some trouble comprehending what the problem is. When you say "it can go this way or that way, Allah does not choose it, but people choose it (which contradicts what the Qur'an also says, and I'll show you, I am not making it up), you are actually saying "Chance is the determiner, not God". So then "Chance" is the Ultimate, and whatever you're calling God is lesser and dependent on "Chance" to make the decisions and reality of things. So calm yourself down for two seconds, I'm not the one who "has no sense" and is not using my mind. If you are a good person, you'll actually listen and believe exactly what I am saying because there is no error in it, whereas what you are saying apparently is that "people decide" and "God doesn't do it" and ultimately the implications are "since it can go this way or that way and God doesn't do it, Chance is the determining factor, what Ultimately decides". So be it, then it is Chance I worship. I worship whatever is the Ultimate absolutely, nothing lesser.
"What are you saying then?"
I am saying what the Qur'an says. You seem to think it doesn't say that. Apparently you have ignored all the quotes I provide. What are you afraid of?
"That God
Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran?"
Yes. Are you not aware of that? Will you run from Islam if you find that is the case? Is that what you're afraid of facing, so you attribute other powers as the Ultimate responsible party? Do you think Allah does not do everything whatsoever? Is God not the director of the movie, the writer of the scripts? Watch, here is God directing evil:
Did you not read all of this slowly and thoroughly and repeatedly?
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0
6:112
AND THUS it is that against every prophet
We have set up as enemies the evil forces from among humans as well as from among jinn beings that whisper unto one another glittering half-truths meant to delude the mind But
they could not do this unless thy Sustainer had so willed: stand, therefore, aloof from them and from all their false imagery!
Read it again and again and again until you get it through your pretty little head. Then either run from Islam or stay with it in wrong beliefs or come to right beliefs. You won't be able to do anything except as Allah wills. Do you hear that clattering? No it isn't your brain rattling around in your head as you shake it in denial, those are the chains which bind you and every move you make and thought you take!
6:107
Had Allah willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them.
"And if Allah had willed, not (they would have) associated partners (with Him). And not We have made you over them a guardian, and not you (are) over them a manager."
6:108
...Thus
We have made fair-seeming to every community their deed.
(It is saying this right after mentioning the shirk and "those they invoke other than Allah" it is taking credit for it again, Allah is the manager of all anyone or anything does, you're like the bees and the ants, and if you say it is not Allah, then know that the Ultimate is in control, even if you say Allah is something less and Chance is the determiner")
41:25
And
We have destined/assigned for them companions (who) made fair-seeming to them, what (was) before them and what (was) behind them, and (is) justified against them the Word among nations (that have) passed away before them of the jinn and the men. Indeed, they were losers.
28:68
Thy Lord bringeth to pass what He willeth and chooseth.
They have never any choice. Glorified be Allah and Exalted above all that they associate (with Him)!
76:30
Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
81:29
But ye shall not will except as Allah wills,- the Cherisher of the Worlds.
Read it again and again. Do you feel the shirk inside of you burn? Does it just make you want to burst out in more denial of the truth? Come, deny it then. Lets watch you deny and deny the reality until the end, or will you turn in repentance and true surrender to Allah? Allah determines what you will do, you can not even WILL to do it except as Allah wills you to will to do it, you have NOTHING to hold on to, NOTHING to claim as your own, NOTHING that can save you except ALLAH alone, you can destroy you, or help you, absolutely freely, just as Allah has made some people born deformed, some people born into poverty, some rich, some given Muslim families, some given abusive parents, and whatever else. Not a single experience isn't created by Allah alone, there simply is no other creator. Or are you and humanity the creators of all the experiences and God has let you loose on a playground and you move by some power of your own? Dream on!
"That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts."
Do you know any of these "careful reader"s? Are you one of them? Surely not! I'm playing with you though, but really, you don't seem to understand why what I am saying is extremely specific and important. It is not only because of the implications of what the other things being said mean, it is also because the Qur'an explicitly says it too, and even if it didn't say it, it is the case with logic and linguistics that another power is being attributed if you say otherwise.
Allah has said that Allah created for the hellfire many men and jinn, created with ears with which they don't hear, eyes with which they don't see, and hearts that don't understand. CREATED for hell CREATED like that, they didn't create that, Allah created such a thing, and Allah does whatever Allah wants. Do you know that revelation?
7:179
And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.
"I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme."
They are telling people to die, deny the gifts of Allah and perform shirk by attributing powers and creators besides Allah alone (when they say Allah did not create medical technology but jinn did besides Allah). I am not saying any such thing. There is no "similar theme" here, "careful reader". I am saying that "All is from God" as the Qur'an instructs me to say. That includes science, good or bad, in every detail it is experienced.
Look how you're continuously denying the truth, and how even after reading what I wrote above you're still in denial! Do you understand this is a trap set up by Allah? You're walking on coals towards a fire, turn around and flee!
"As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God."
MORE THAN THAT. Do you understand that everything your eyes see is "particular information" that is not the same as what others see because what you are experiencing is "seen as you". Do you understand that Allah takes credit for all "handiwork" and even the technologies, like the ships on the sea, the chainmail armor, and everything else? Allah created every detail in existence, humans do not just "use materials provided by Allah freely" but Allah creates every detail of the experiences, all the things in the experience, all the concepts, those are "things" and Allah creates them, good or bad. Everything means Everything, not "some things". Not "created by proxy, with partners creating the details where Allah created only the base materials used". Purify your religion according to what I say if you know what is good for you.
37:96
"But Allah has created you and your handwork!"
"But Allah has created you and whatever you make!"
"Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way."
Who made the medicines in every detail? Good or bad? I'll tell you who: Allah.
4:78
Wherever you be will overtake you [the] death even if you are in towers lofty. And if befalls them any good they say, "This (is) from Allah," And if befalls them any evil they say, "This (is) from you." Say,
"All (is) from Allah." So what (is wrong) (with) these [the] people, they do not seem (to) understand any statement.57:22
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah:
Not "Some evil". Evils, disasters, calamities, ALL of them, including disbelief, idolatry, human sacrifice, rape, adultery, and whatever other evil and disasterous things, not just Earthquakes, but even the "evil in your own souls" or within the person or the disasterous thinking. All ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL IS FROM ALLAH WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT HUH? STILL DENYING? PROBABLY!
Deny all you want, if you stay a Muslim and in denial, perhaps you'll be counted as a hypocrite. Do you know what happens to the hypocrites according to the Qur'an? Surely you remember, as a "careful reader". That is why is better for people to flee from Islam, so when they burn in hell, it might not be as terrible as the punishment of the Hypocrites, those people who were claiming to be Muslim but were not good Muslims.
You're not afraid are you? You should be. I should be afraid.
Yet when you blurt out your broken thinking and blasphemies, and insult me too while you're at it, (and I understand you probably don't even comprehend the implications of what you are saying so that you continue to say it) you are spreading grave error. You think I'm spreading grave error, I am not. I am saying Allah is the only power, All is from Allah, and if I say otherwise, I am attributing other powers, even if I say that the "humans choose to create their destiny by the actions they choose for themselves" I am then saying "it can go this way or that way" meaning "Chance is the determining power, Chance makes the decision of which way it will go, Allah looks to Chance for answers and FOLLOWS AFTER the humans like a slave". DO YOU UNDERSTAND? It isn't being overly dramatic. So if you can swallow your gigantic pride and surrender to this truth, then you'll be better off. I CAN NOT SWALLOW ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE IF I DO, I AM DENYING THE NATURE OF THE ULTIMATE ENTIRELY, IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY IF I WERE TO SAY OTHERWISE.
"So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help."
Can they choose or even will it on their own, with some power of their own? You probably rush to say "Yes of course!". I hope that changes for your own sake.
"As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone."
Only those who know that there is no other reliance regardless of what you know, understand, or believe.
"God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!"
Yeah, they are known as "stupid", but you should be wary of your own stupidity too. I know you think I'm stupid as well. I am stupid, but stupid for God.
"To both drfazl and FreedomStands:
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?"
I use the quotes from the Qur'an. I do not make statements like drfazl when he says "God has forgiven the blessed couple" or whatever. When I state something it is based strongly on logical necessity and the Qur'an as well. Go read carefully. You haven't comprehended jack squat if you think I'm making false claims about anything. My reasoning is sound and with a strong basis. There is no way around it except shirk.
"Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.
2:220
4:90
5:48
6:35
6:1076:137
6:148 - See 16:35
7:176
So the person spoken of in 7:176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire?"
The Qur'an has answered your question, which identifies you as very poor in your knowledge of the Qur'an:
16:93
Had Allah willed He could have made you (all) one nation, but He sendeth whom He will astray and guideth whom He will,...
an-Nisa` 4:88
Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.
al-A`raf 7:186
Whomsoever Allah causes to err, there is no guide for him;
6:39
And those who rejected Our Verses (are) deaf and dumb in the darkness[es]. Whoever Allah wills - He and whoever He wills - He places him on (the) straight way.
(Do you understand that Allah even uses terminology of "deaf and dumb", people who are "deaf" and "mentally retarded" did not choose those states for themselves even, but they are given by Allah, even when they are deaf and dumb to Islam, remember Allah said in the verse I quoted above "created" them like that, just like fish are created for the sea, these are created "with ears with which they don't hear, eyes with which they don't see, and hearts/minds with which they don't understand" created more ignorant and astray than cattle. Deny all you want, do you have some more shirk vomit ready to come out?)
"was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God?"
2:254
Some of these apostles have We endowed more highly than others: among them were such as were spoken to by God [Himself], and some He has raised yet higher.' And We vouchsafed unto Jesus, the son of Mary, all evidence of the truth, and strengthened him with holy inspiration. And if
God had so willed, they who succeeded those [apostles]
would not have contended with one another after all evidence of the truth had come to them; but [as it was,] they did take to divergent views, and some of them attained to faith, while some of them came to deny the truth. Yet if
God had so willed, they would not have contended with one another:
but God does whatever He wills.(Just shut your eyes really, really tight, and maybe you'll be able to continue in your denial, for the sake of your imaginary fluff. Identify what is keeping you in a state of shirk, for example the idea that "What about justice?" and get rid of stupidity and come to reality.)
6:17
If God subjects you to a misery, none can save you from it. If, on the other hand, God decides to shower you with a blessing [none can deprive you from the pleasure of its enjoyment]; this is in account of the fact that God is the Most Powerful.
6:18
God has
absolute control over His servants [creatures] as He is the Most Wise and the Most Knowledgeable.
6:19
Say, "What thing (is) greatest (as) a testimony?" Say, "Allah (is) Witness between me and between you, and has been revealed to me this [the] Quran that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches. Do you truly testify that with Allah (there are) gods other?" Say, "I (do) not testify." Say, "Only He (is) One God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate (with Him).
"Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance."
THEY CAN NOT EVEN "Incline" Did you not see that it clearly says "You can not" EVEN "will it", you can't even DESIRE it or incline except as Allah decides and commands.
3:8
Our Lord! Cause not our hearts to stray after Thou hast guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Thy Presence. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Bestower.
CAUSE NOT OUR HEARTS TO STRAY. Who is the CAUSE? ABSOLUTE? ALLAH! You're starting to piss me off now. Are you still in denial? Fall down on your face in repentance! I will too! Will you let me beat you in it?
"God does not guide the wrongdoers."
God has created everything, including a certain thing called "wrongdoers" and the calamities associated with them as well. Their "handiwork", everything. Not "some things", not "just base materials, not the details". EVERYTHING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WIGGLE YOUR TOE IT CHANGES THE DAY EVERYONE ON EARTH DIES? This is all precise, all the livelihoods, all the deaths. It can not be delayed for even a second without every detail changing entirely. Everything you do and think and experience is created by Allah and that is all you are and will ever be, and Allah will always be in control, not you, "never any choice had they".
"They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills."
Not merely "left astray" but "caused to err", CAUSED. He is the CAUSE of everything always.
"13:31
16:35*
*Those who associate others with Allah
say exactly what you are saying, do you yet still not reflect? Allah wills people to go astray because of what is in their own hearts and their own evil inclinations. They like you, also argued that whatever they do or anyone else does or did, including generations before them is because God wills/willed them to do it. Still no effort at thought on your part?"
No they don't say "exactly what I am saying" because the people are implying "it is from God so it is necessarily good". This is where the error is with people who say "All is from God" but add "so it is all good". No, the evil is from God too, the calamity, the misery, the trouble, the mental diseases, the madness, and it is not necessarily "good" for those people.
"16:93*
*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse: after the "part" with what you constantly cite"
Haha, talking to yourself too huh. Try to understand why I am saying what I am saying. If I say otherwise it is a big problem, you don't seem to understand why.
""...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".
How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?"
Oh wow! I didn't think of that huh! Wowwww! Look at that! Hey smarty pants, did you not hear that Allah does whatever Allah wills, or is it that you're claiming when Allah "questions" it is that Allah does not already know? Questioning is just a method that humans will face, Allah already knows and created everything, or is it that Allah is dependent on other creators and so is "waiting to see what THEY do"? Do you comprehend any of your blasphemies man? Probably not. Allah can create the scene of a court case, have questions, have answers, can do whatever, its just a type of creation. It is not that Allah "really doesn't know what they will say" but is controlling their every action:
53:43
and that it is He alone who causes [you] to laugh and to weep;
6:130
O assembly (of) [the] jinn and [the] men! Did (there) not come to you Messengers from (among) you, relating to you My Verses and warning you (of the) meeting (of) this day of yours?" They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves." And deluded them the life (of) the world, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.
See? Allah already knows everything they will say and do. Allah is also the one creating it all:
41:20
Until, when they come to it (will) testify against them their hearing, and their sight, and their skins, (as) to what they used to do.
48:14
But God?s is the dominion over the heavens and the earth: He forgives whomever He wills, and imposes suffering on whomever He wills - and [withal,] He is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.
32:13
And if We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me concerning evildoers took effect: that
I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together.(Not "I will fill hell with jinn and mankind together if this dice roll, or probability, or Chance determines, and Justice says "yes you should do that, or else you will be unjust" or any varieties of the stupidity people are implying by their denial. Allah has already "created" for the "hell" those who "do not hear, see, understand" and they ALL are doing what Allah makes them do, their tasks, be it murder, rape, pillaging, lying, or whatever else, and then Allah puts them in the place that He alone determines.)
"23:24
42:8
6:69
7:26
7:174
Do you understand the implications of the conditional statement identifier "If" FreedomStands? As well as "Perhaps/Maybe" ?- (God frequently uses this in the Quran, see 4:90 and 14:25 for example) Or do you not use your mind on purpose?"
Yes, I do understand what "if" means, and that it is "conditional" and I also understand that those who say Allah is driven by "conditions" and is not "unconditioned" are blasphemers and may have their faces burned off in hell. I use my mind, do you use yours? You probably do, but what can you do if it is broken? Allah meaning "if" and "maybe" means "Chance determines" thus Chance is the Ultimate power. In any case it is a figure of speech given to the humans, whereas God knows, but we do not know, so for us it is "maybe" we are left in suspense. Say otherwise, and you're a blasphemer. That is the bottom line.
"What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God)?"
GOD CHOOSES, YOU DO NOT CHOOSE ANYTHING. I've already quoted that above as well.
2:105
(Do) not like those who disbelieve from (the) People (of) the Book and not those who associate partners (with Allah), that (there should) be sent down to you any good from your Lord. And
Allah chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allah (is the) Possessor (of) [the] Bounty [the] Great.
3:74
He chooses for His mercy whom He will. Allah is of Infinite Bounty.
26:68
And your Lord creates and
chooses whom He pleases; to choose is not theirs; glory be to Allah, and exalted be He above what they associate (with Him).
3:26
Say "O Allah! Owner (of) the Dominion, You give the dominion (to) whom You will and
You take away the dominion from whom You will, and You honor whom You will, and You humiliate whom You will. In Your hand (is all) the good. Indeed, You (are) on every thing All-Powerful.
"You are Qadirun (Omnipotent) wholly capable of doing all things""
Go read what Qadr is and Qadirun.
68:37
Or have you a book wherein you read,
68:38
That ye shall indeed have all that ye choose?
2:247
And said to them their Prophet, "Indeed, Allah (has) surely raised for you Talut (as) a king." They said, How can be for him the kingship over us, while we (are) more entitled to kingship than him, and not he has been given abundance of [the] wealth?" He said, "Indeed, Allah has chosen him over you and increased him abundantly in [the] knowledge and [the] physique. And Allah gives His kingdom (to) whom He wills. And Allah (is) All-Encompassing, All-Knowing."
14:4
And We did not send any messenger but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly; then
Allah makes whom He pleases err and He guides whom He pleases and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
So many more examples, it says it numerous times.
"Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!"
What are you talking about? The Qur'an is for those who believe, for others it serves to harm them and mislead them:
2:26
Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude?
He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;
The ones who has created to serve the function of "miscreants" and "evildoers" will be misguided. Simple as that.
3:83
So is (it) other than (the) religion (of) Allah they seek? While to Him (have) submitted whatever (is) in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and towards Him they will be returned.
Willingly or unwillingly, they are all doing as Allah commands.
13:41
Did not they see that We come (to) the land, reducing it from its borders? And Allah judges; (there is) no adjuster (of) His Judgment. And He (is) Swift (in) the reckoning.
You do not adjust what Allah determines, you do not make any adjustments, you do only what Allah wills. So, shut up? You can't! Neither can I, except as Allah wills.
"14:27
3:86
5:67
5:108
6:144
9:19
9:24
9:37
9:80
9:109
12:52* Or do you contradict God that God is the one who Willed and guided the plan of the betrayers?"
Yes, the Qur'an says the enemies are set up by Allah, the shaitans of human and jinn-kind are all assigned and determined by Allah. Do you blasphemy and claim that there is another power besides God determining and assigning things, be it "Chance" or "individual wills/powers" or anything else? You're inferior, but I am trying to help you stand. You're promoting blasphemy without even realizing it, I am not at all, even though what I am saying might sound unpleasant.
"like you claim everywhere else that God Wills and guides the doings and inclinations of the wrongdoing folk. Who are the wrongdoing folk? Have you ever given thought?"
They are the ones who do wrong, "duh". Evildoers, unjust. What is unappealing to us, and what God has made "evil", they do it. Thought given.
"46:10
61:5* Do you still not understand FreedomStands? It is the people who deviated, God did not send them astray or deviate
till they themselves inclined to and did evil despite the guidance!"
Ah yes, God runs after what people do. They make their own decisions, so that they decide to go out on Saturday the 25th at 3:13 PM stepping on a certain insect unwittingly, delayed at the Coffee shop so that they are not at the crosswalk at a certain time where their sunglasses flash in the light and catch the eye of a certain pedestrian who does not notice the car coming on ahead, with a driver dealing with a phone call and gets hit. God only "determines some of, the humans had a share in what happened". Seriously, shut up. You're just heaping sin on top of sin. They can not do ANYTHING, Allah determines what they do, even though they consciously appear to be making choices. One single difference and they become the determiners of all the fates.
3:156
Believers, do not follow the example of the infidels, who say of their brothers when they meet death abroad or in battle: 'Had they stayed with us they would not have died, nor would they have been killed.' God will cause them to regret their words. It is God who ordains life and death. God has knowledge of all your actions.
"61:7
62:5
11:101*
*Do you see anywhere in the Quran that God sends astray the good doers and believing people? Everywhere it is the wrongdoers that God sends astray! Yet you insist that God makes people do evil or good. Do you not use your mind? Does God wrong them? or they wrong themselves? - thus does God leave such people astray."
lol say what you want man, you're ignorant and don't understand the implications of what you are saying. I know you think you're speaking on behalf of justice and rightness, but you're doing major blasphemy, and I've explained why. God can send astray or cause to err anyone at all, he is also in control of their deeds and actions, as I've explained, he determines every aspect, there is no detail that he does not determine, as creator of everything, creator of every experience we experience, see, do, think. Not creator of "some things". They are "wrongdoers" and Allah has already sent them astray that they are "wrongdoers" "with ears that do not hear, eyes that do not see, and hearts that do not understand" "created for hell", Allah decrees it, they do not decree it. He chooses and selects, never any choice had they. It doesn't matter about your addiction to human justice, God does whatever God wills, and invented human justice in all its forms and facets, even the Aztecs justice, and made it "fair seeming" to them, are you reading anything I'm writing? I just keep repeating it, so if you want to stay a blasphemer and ignorant person, if that is your "choice", haha then so be it. It is a sad tale indeed, but Allah is the writer of all tragedies.
"There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book."
lol what a joke. You're the one saying that to me? Saying "God is absolute" coming from you is just "lip service" it means nothing. For you, what you call God is "following after" these powers which operate somehow on their own and doing whatever they will, and God chases after them. You have it backwards. If you don't listen now, maybe you'll learn later, and maybe you'll learn in the absolute worst manner.
Yet, what can I learn? Is it the lesson you're trying to teach me that Allah is not the controller of everything? Then I spit at such a disgusting pathetic God, I worship the Ultimate, nothing less, you can worship your fraud all you want, such a God does not even compare to my Master. Call your God Allah, I'll call my God Odin then, the fetterer of the will. Yet there is only ever one Ultimate.
"Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts."
M*THERFA*** WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS? WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS! BRAIN BROKEN! WHO! WHO! I'm speaking your monkey language, WHO WHO WHO! WHO!
Come on.
Pissing me off. Talk to me on Skype or via email foxyfoxgames@gmail.com or something, I'll slap you around more until you become a proper slave. Then a warrior who surrenders to the fray.
@FreedomStands ,
Salam. Bravo. Fiery but so true and excellent speech. Don't despair (pointless to say that , you can't be cheerful unless Allah wishes you to be cheerful).
Quote from: faruk on August 03, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
@FreedomStands ,
Salam. Bravo. Fiery but so true and excellent speech. Don't despair (pointless to say that , you can't be cheerful unless Allah wishes you to be cheerful).
Haha exactly! I laughed though! I'm cheerful now with what you said! Thank you!
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 03, 2015, 03:20:31 PM
Hi.
Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says.
Allah asks each of us to obey Him and surrender to His admonition, saying, "None but Allah knows the ultimate meaning 3/7. " The Ruh of Allah breathed into man possesses a little of the knowledge 17/85 from His Quran. So seek from Allah with all humility before Him, "O Allah increase me in knowledge of the Quran."
But here is the One, who turns away from these admonitions of Allah and surpasses above Allah defying Him to say,
I have incredibly strong knowledge of what the Quran actually says. Now should we proceed to answer the rest of the ramblings?
Quote from: drfazl on August 03, 2015, 08:39:44 PM
Allah asks each of us to obey Him and surrender to His admonition, saying, "None but Allah knows the ultimate meaning 3/7. " The Ruh of Allah breathed into man possesses a little of the knowledge 17/85 from His Quran. So seek from Allah with all humility before Him, "O Allah increase me in knowledge of the Quran."
But here is the One, who turns away from these admonitions of Allah and surpasses above Allah defying Him to say, I have incredibly strong knowledge of what the Quran actually says. Now should we proceed to answer the rest of the ramblings?
So you call my saying that Allah alone has all the power and is the controller and determining of everything absolutely, "ramblings"?
BEHOLD! I have learned the magic of drfazl! Only Allah can stop me now!
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 03, 2015, 03:20:31 PM
Hi.
Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says.
Can you explain
the bold part alone as to what you think of others and what you demand of others to think of you, directly or indirectly? "Incredibly strong in Quran" is sure rambling and against 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85.
Quote from: drfazl on August 03, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Can you explain the bold part alone as to what you think of others and what you demand of others to think of you, directly or indirectly? "Incredibly strong in Quran" is sure rambling and against 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85.
But you are the one who added implications falsely, I said something specific, I didn't state the opposite of what I said, drsnake. So you're, as usual, trying to falsely accuse. This is a bad habit of yours, but it is what Shaitans tend to do, and I know it might be hard for you to come to terms with being a devil, but the decision was never yours.
A Shaitan is one, like yourself, who goes around telling people that "All is not from God" (your first post in this thread starts off with your blasphemy) then continues to tell people not to take medicine and harm their bodies and spread disease, all the while having your shirki ideas behind it. You can't accuse me of shirk at all, I am the one who says Allah alone is the sole power controlling all matters entirely. Down to the little twinge in your nose hairs.
Then the Shaitani type of person comes and accuses and maligns and attacks someone who is saying that Allah alone is the only power. Are you starting to realize how you're a big devil? When I was sending messages to strengthen someone, you said the opposite, and then you made bold claims also that someone is "blessed" without any knowledge whatsoever. I've caught you by your snake tail every time, will you ever turn into a proper human being?
For as long as you continue to do evil, Allah might send against you people who remind you of your crimes, so cease your criminality. Your coming around like a snake and twisting things and attacking. People think I do that, but I don't really, and if I do it has a good cause, but what is your cause in defying me and attacking me? Your cause is to say the opposite of what I am saying.
What is it that I am saying? I am saying Allah is the sole power. You are attacking that and saying the opposite. You're a shirk riddled serpent who needs to be grabbed by the tail and smashed against every wall until you get it through your snake head that Allah is the power, not "drfazl" and not anyone else, and not the "jinn", Allah created everything.
So you can say Allah created medicine and medicine is bad, that is better than saying "Allah didn't do it, Allah does some things but not all things, Chance determines some things, Allah determines other things".
Now if you say that medicine is bad is another issue, and it is criminal of you to try to harm people and it is also generally stupid, your whole idea is stupid, maybe some part of you knows that.
Yet none of your crimes is bigger than your reasoning. You could say look how harmful medicine is, blah blah, that is not the problem here, it is you saying "Allah didn't do it, the jinn made it, Allah had no share in their creative power" that makes you a huge shirki blasphemer.
Your medicine stupidity is literally criminal, you are telling people to damage their bodies, to die, to refuse the gifts of Allah and the technologies of Allah, and also propagating the spread of disease. This makes you a genocidal maniac who needs to be opposed.
Me? I'm simply saying Allah is the sole power. I'm not saying any of the crap you are saying, which is extraneous garbage. Everything I am saying is good and precise and has a strong basis.
Let me talk to the supposed doctor who went to medical school, not the disease spreading killer, but someone with sense. Is it all gone now? Knock knock, who is there? Hisss, its drsnake.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 03, 2015, 03:20:31 PM
M*THERFA*** WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS? WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS! BRAIN BROKEN! WHO! WHO! I'm speaking your monkey language, WHO WHO WHO! WHO!
Come on.
Pissing me off. Talk to me on Skype or via email foxyfoxgames@gmail.com or something, I'll slap you around more until you become a proper slave. Then a warrior who surrenders to the fray.
Well at least we know what you're made of. Bravo. No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray, you aren't God nor his deputy. You're very bold though. Not very bright, but very bold. Why should I or anyone bother e-mailing you? The guidance is the Quran, not FreedomStands and his foxyfoxgames and his ridiculously long spam, self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you. I read your post, it's the same contradictions regurgitated with a complete lack of any insight.
I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.
I only posted, because people should see that
where they must turn to - the Quran.
Not me, not FreedomStands, not anyone else, but the Quran. Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further. Salaam.
It is in the intention, but dieing in the proper state of mind is a blessing. No need to stop that.
Diseases are often generated through our ways of journeying. It is better to change ways than starting to use medications.
But, all matter can be used as tools. God did not forbid it, but blind reliance upon them is a negative trend, and it is indeed better with Faith in Being and conformity. The one with Faith can see themselves both much healthier and happier.
And strong enough Faith can cure illnesses by itself because such one has control over the flesh through the Holy Spirit.
If you draw your hand over a pitcher of water and say "be you purified", it will be so, if you had Faith it would be so and did not doubt it. Faith is the same as confidence and trust and acknowledgement and is the meaning of 'iman/amen' [Be Thereof Integrity]. It is about being whole, of integrity and refers to the Spirit.
God does not expect belief but absolute certainty and confidence, i.e. the state of Being.
Be well
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I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.
Yes, we have a choice. It is a test, and a test is not predestined or it is illogical.
Quote from: A.W on August 03, 2015, 11:29:19 PM
Well at least we know what you're made of. Bravo. No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray, you aren't God nor his deputy. You're very bold though. Not very bright, but very bold. Why should I or anyone bother e-mailing you? The guidance is the Quran, not FreedomStands and his foxyfoxgames and his ridiculously long spam, self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you. I read your post, it's the same contradictions regurgitated with a complete lack of any insight.
I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.
I only posted, because people should see that where they must turn to - the Quran. Not me, not FreedomStands, not anyone else, but the Quran. Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further. Salaam.
Quote from: A.W on August 03, 2015, 11:29:19 PM
Well at least we know what you're made of. Bravo. No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray, you aren't God nor his deputy. You're very bold though. Not very bright, but very bold. Why should I or anyone bother e-mailing you? The guidance is the Quran, not FreedomStands and his foxyfoxgames and his ridiculously long spam, self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you. I read your post, it's the same contradictions regurgitated with a complete lack of any insight.
I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.
I only posted, because people should see that where they must turn to - the Quran. Not me, not FreedomStands, not anyone else, but the Quran. Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further. Salaam.
I apologize, my earlier post was one continuous typo. What I actually meant to say was "A.W. is totally right, God is a weakling who relies on chance to determine things". There, are you happy now? You have your weak little baby God just like you wanted, and I have proclaimed you the victor! I am confounded, dumbfounded, found dumb, and going "blblbllb" and drool is coming out of my mouth too! I'm an ape with a unibrow that goes around my whole head like a bandana. I'm crawling on the floor pitifully (of my own free, free, free will), and you have made a public fool of me, I am humiliated, totally ashamed of myself, I've purchased a whole pack of diapers and I'm wearing them already, I'm a total mess, everything around me is a mess, I have put wheels on my knees and travel by rolling on my knees out of shame.
As you've seen, people looking at the Qur'an apparently doesn't work, you can show them a million quotes, they can read it themselves, but they just don't understand and continue to blasphemy. So, I recommend they listen to FreedomStands instead, who will help them to understand what the Qur'an says!
"Often contradictory posts", what contradiction? Could you help me find my contradiction, it is missing, I guess it must not be very big that it is hard to spot, or is my contradiction very big and rather difficult to miss, all up in your face, smacking it back and forth?
Maybe I can't see the contradiction because my whole head is a contradiction. So contradictory, that Allah has all the power, that Allah is the determiner of everything, that Allah can make things that are not necessarily good for people. Contradictions everywhere! Not very bright either huh, so dim, dimwitted, dull, in darkness, because of saying that, because of saying that Allah determines everything and that people who say otherwise are actually saying that "chance" determines things and God looks to chance to determine things, and doesn't know anything really or what they will do necessarily and is ignorant, and then when they do something God chases after them, is conditioned by the humans. You certainly are so righteous in your thinking aren't you, you and the God which you present.
One moment, let me invoke your God. Hey stupid! Hey, yeah you, you stupid God! Guess what I'm going to do with my hand! Ha! You don't know! You idiot! You stupid idiot God! You don't know what I'm going to do next, you are so pathetic and dumb. A.W. told me about you, he told me you are an ignorant, stupid, fool who knows nothing and doesn't control anything much, especially not people. Hey dumby! Listen up dumby. If I want to sit, you'll provide the chair for me, you pathetic slave, you're my BITCH. Hey, Bitch-God, what can you do to me? You don't even know what I'll do next, you are so dumb and pathetic.
I worship something greater than you, Bitch-God, you ignorant trash. I worship a God who can tear me to pieces in an instant with no reason or any reason, and return me back. My God knows what I'll do next, because my God creates everything. What do you create, Bitch-God? You create nothing at all, you slime! You have no idea what I will do next. You have no idea if I'll go to paradise or hell. You have no knowledge, you unwitting, ignorant, fool! Haha, you are so stupid! A.W. likes you though, at least you have him, by the way, he is very good at spotting contradictions apparently, he is a contradiction magnet, his eyes are constantly drawn to big looming contradictions. You have a nifty servant there, unfortunately, you are so stupid and ignorant, you don't even know what your servant will do next, you're like a human, just a dumb human-like, ignorant, doofus. Look, how you don't even strike me down, you pathetic animal. Oh, is that your mercy, weakling? Is that your mercy that you don't strike me down, O Ignorant one? MY GOD IS THE DESTROYER, YOU WILL QUIVER AT MY GOD, FOOL, YOU ARE AT MY GOD'S MERCY, YOU CAN'T EVEN TOUCH ME, THAT IS WHY I'M SO BOLD. IF I'm HARMED, it isn't ME who did it, you LIARS, it is MY GOD who did it. Come you disobedient slaves. Let us come together, like the Qur'an recommends at one part, and invoke upon ourselves the CURSE OF ALLAH, haha I want to watch you suffer horrifically! DO YOU DARE? I DARE IT! I INVOKE UPON MYSELF THE CURSE OF ALLAH IF I AM WRONG AND THE ULTIMATE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE (haha maybe if you have any thought functions you'll realize why I'm completely safe in that statement), in the MEANTIME, I issue upon you all a TERRIBLE CURSE, SO HORRIFIC, THAT IF YOU ARE WRONG IN WHAT YOU SAY, YOU WILL BEGIN TO SUFFER INCREASINGLY UN TIL YOU REPENT AND CORRECT YOURSELVES! OOH! I'm SO excited! Black magic! Come! Do you dare to take on the curse? Don't worry, it is already upon you even before I uttered it, and I'm with you, I've issued it on myself too. HAHAH! LETS DO THIS!
OH LORD! I WORSHIP THE ULTIMATE! THEY SAY OF YOU THAT YOU RELY ON CHANCE TO DETERMINE THINGS! IF I AM WRONG THAT YOU THE ULTIMATE ARE THE ULTIMATE AND IN FACT YOU RELY ON CHANCE, LIKE A PATHETIC CREATURE LIKE THEM, THEN I AM CURSED, CURSED TO WORSHIPING THE ULTIMATE, THOUGH IF I AM RIGHT, DO THOU DESTROY THEM IN STAGES, AND INFORM ME OF THEIR DESTRUCTION IN STAGES, SO THEY BEG YOU FOR RELIEF, BUT YOU DO NOT RELIEVE THEM UNTIL THEY SURRENDER THEIR SHIRK.
Come, are you ready for it? Are you so bold? This is a curse I'm not worried about at all. They say of you, Allah, that you don't know what will happen to them or what they will do next. That you look to chance to do anything, that you don't know if it will go this way or that way, and you don't control them and they walk and live on their own power.
HEY! DEVILS! ISSUE ALL YOUR CURSES ON ME! USE YOUR MAGIC! USE YOUR WILL AND YOUR POWERS AND EVEN YOUR PRAYERS TO ALLAH TO CURSE ME AND BRING ME DOWN! COME ON! COWARDS! GO ASK YOUR GOD WHO IS NOT OMNISCIENT, NOT OMNIPOTENT, TO HARM ME! HAHA! ASK YOUR GOD TO KILL ME EVEN! COME ON! ARE YOU AFRAID? AFRAID OF WHAT? I won't ask that you guys are killed, just that you come to know the Ultimate, but really, Allah has more malice than me, and probably won't even teach you, and then in the end will destroy you too. IF ALLAH DESTROYS ME, IT IS ONLY ONE WHO SAID ALLAH HAS ALL THE POWER, ALLAH ALONE IS THE ULTIMATE, ALLAH HAS NO PARTNERS, ALLAH IS THE CHOOSER AND DECIDER, THERE IS NO ONE WHO CONDITIONS THE RESPONSE OF ALLAH, IT IS ALLAH WHO MAKES ALL THINGS, CREATES EVERY DETAIL. So what if God destroys me? I was destroyed as the UTMOST devotee of the ULTIMATE. IF you're destroyed, you'll be destroyed in the midst of saying "God doesn't do everything, we choose, chance determines, God chases after our decisions".
The Qur'an goes further, and asks that we involve our families too, and invoke the curse of Allah upon ourselves regarding who is right in this matter.
Here is the bottom line: If I am wrong, and I can not be wrong, it simply means the Ultimate goes by some other name in your vocabulary, and that what you are worshiping is less than the Ultimate, that is why I can't be wrong. The good joke here is you probably won't suffer, because suffering is a gift that teaches the truth, and Allah gives long happy lives to many of the disbelievers that they increase in their trespasses and sin, because Allah is so malicious and wishes even more harm on them and more terrible punishments and tortures.
I repeat, take on my challenge. Bring on your curses, curse my family too, and think why you are cursing me also, that I say Allah alone is the power with no partner. Haha, what a good reason to curse me huh?
Let us see who is right, are you ready for it? Is the one who says that Allah is the Ultimate the correct one, or the one who says Mankind determines what Allah does and "it can go this way or that way, Allah doesn't know and chance determines it", WHICH ONE OF US IS RIGHT! LET THE CURSE OF ALLAH DECIDE IT! ARE YOU READY FOR IT? YOU REALLY THINK YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT?
Let me invoke your trash God once more.
Hey you dumby! Yeah, I'm talking to you again! You dumb fool! Did you guess yet what I will do next, o Ignorant One? Will I turn my head left or right! You don't know! You are so stupid and lacking in knowledge. My God can turn my head left and right, but you can't even touch my head, you impotent fool! What power do you have? Oh, none whatsoever? My God has all the power, can you overcome my God? You who do not even know what will happen next! You who are in suspense! You who watches like a human and wonders what they will do! You lame brain! Humanoid! What have you created? You do not create what they will do even! What do you create? Nothing at all, you fraud! My God created everything absolutely, down to what anyone sees, and determines what they see, even as they see themselves picking up a can of soda, and even their erroneous thoughts regarding the Ultimate, but they are far from invoking the Ultimate, they only invoke you, you garbage animal! You do not even comprehend the future, nor do you make the future, but rely on other powers and causes to do it. What do you do? Do you do anything? No, you do nothing. You have many worshipers though, such as drfazl, A.W., Man of Faith and others, they all say of you that you know nothing of what will happen next, you are ignorant, you are foolish, you are weak, you are impotent, you leave things up to other powers, you have many partners who all determine what you do next. You are nothing but a slave, running after all these Masters. What kind of a God are you? You are no God. I'm GREATER THAN YOU, I DETERMINE WHAT YOU DO NEXT, YOU DO NOT KNOW THE SECRETS THAT I KNOW, SUCH AS WHAT I WILL DO NEXT. YOU KNOW NOTHING OF IT, YOU DO NOT KNOW IF I WILL GO TO PARADISE OR I WILL GO TO HELL, IF I AM A DISBELIEVER OR A BELIEVER, I AM YOUR KING AND YOU ARE MY SLAVE, WHEN I SIT YOU COME RUNNING AFTER ME TO PLACE THE CHAIR, WHEN I WISH TO GO HERE OR THERE, I DETERMINE IT AND YOU DETERMINE NOTHING, YOU JUST WATCH LIKE AN IMPOTENT OLD PERVERT. This is what they believe of you, and they worship you still, you fruitless tree. You are nothing but an invention of their own diseased minds.
My God on the other hand, is the God of YOU and ME alike, which makes you nothing but another creation like me, you can't even touch me unless my God COMMANDS IT and BRINGS IT INTO EXISTENCE, CREATING IT TO "BE" SO. It is my God that I fear, not you, who doesn't even know what I will do next nor determines it. I am not afraid of you or anyone or anything at all, but I quail at the thought of my God, the Horror of the Worlds.
My brother Noah (Nuh) was more malicious than me even, his prayer was to INCREASE THEM IN DISBELIEF/WRONGDOING. Whereas I tirelessly work to teach these apes something of value to them.
The curse of the Ultimate is upon those who are ignorant, though they think it is bliss.
Come on! I dare all you magicians, any of you magicians watching, to curse me! Bring on all your black magic! Do you know that my Lord is the Lord of Evil? My God is the VERY POWER of BLACK MAGIC? So try your powers, pray to your pathetic ignorant gods that you call by the name of "Allah" and whatever else "Rabb" "Sustainer" invoke all of them, and see if anything at all can TOUCH ME. NOTHING CAN TOUCH ME SAVE THE ULTIMATE, AND BE WARNED IF YOU TRY, because my God is a terror like you can't even imagine.
Praise be to Allah, the true Lord of the Worlds and EVERYTHING, Lord of the ALAMEEN, all the distinctions, all the things, all the thoughts. My God is NOT your ugly weak God, my God is FAR REMOVED from your dumb attributions.
Do you call my attributions dumb? To say that I worship only the Ultimate is dumb? That the Ultimate is whatever determines, not what looks to other powers to determine? Who is the contradictory one, who is the not so bright one? Who is the stupid one? Surely it is me who is stupid!
So stupid to invoke the curse of your Gods, your People, your Malice, your Magic. Come, Come oh you powerful ones, use the power of your will against me HAHA COME ON, USE ALL YOUR FORCE AGAINST ME! CAN YOU EVEN ISSUE A FART ON COMMAND? YOU WIMPS! YOU SHRIMPS! COME ON! COME MIGHTY ONES! ATTACK WITH YOUR MAGIC! PRAY TO YOUR GODS IF THEY EXIST AT ALL AND LET THEM TRY TO HARM ME! THEY CAN NOT HARM EVEN A FLY!
My God can tear up your bowels from the inside, I'm excited for when my God will do it, but I am NOT the determiner, unlike you people and your claims.
Come, I am calling Reel to use the "Law of Attraction" against me, and your stupid sorcerer friend who apparently is issuing curses. Bring it on you creatures, you mad slaves who think you have any power!
Destroy ME! Do it if you can!
Issue horrific curses, write things on paper and bury it, pray to your gods who determine nothing and control nothing. Watch me crumble before your majestic power and cry out "Oh God! It was true all along, you don't determine anything, you are but the servant and follower of Chance! They were right! I was wrong! Oh God I regret invoking the curses on me, they all had so much power each of them and their fantasies! Oh God I'm melting! Save me! Oh yeah, you can't save me, you are an impotent little creep!"
Come drfazl, you disease spreading snake and murderer, you child killer, issue your curse upon me, I want to watch it! Watch me then run to doctors to cure me and their cures to fail on me!
Come reel, call all your Satanist relatives to issue their magic and curses on me. Ha, there is no greater evil power than what I worship, they think they have access to my Lord?
Come A.W., show me that you have some testicles, and pray in all righteousness that I be cursed for saying that Allah is the Ultimate, and that you be vindicated for saying that people determine what Allah does. HAHA Yeah, COME ON. What, are you a coward?
Who else wants to curse me? Mmkhan, give it a shot, you wimp, you deceiver.
I want everyone on this website, ALL THE JINN AND MANKIND to gather together and use ALL THEIR INTENTION to CURSE ME.
SEE IF YOUR INTENTION COUNTS FOR ANYTHING AT ALL. Come on, I dare you.
Oh Allah, defeat the evildoers, defeat them please! You alone give them rein! Make them suffer horrifically for what they say about you! Oh Allah, destroy them all or make them turn in repentance, the choice is yours alone!
Come I've cursed you all now, so bring it on, do your worst! Issue a barrage of prayers and curses to your gods, the gods who don't know what will happen next, go ahead! Lets see if they can create anything!
Don't be afraid! Consider it self defense, now a terrible curse is upon you all for what you say, so go ahead and pray that the cursing one (me, FreedomStands) is harmed by your intentions, your will, your powers, your dreams, your gods. Come on!
Ask ISIS to issue their curses on me too, and all the Christians and the Jews. Do you know they have tried before? Haha, I was on another website where they tried.
Alright. Please remember this post was for your entertainment and enjoyment, your excitement, and does contain some dimwitted wisdom for those who can discern it!
3:60
The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
3:61
But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.
3:62
Lo! This verily is the true narrative. There is no Allah save Allah, and lo! Allah, He verily is, is the Mighty, the Wise.
3:63
And if they turn away [from this truth] - behold, God has full knowledge of the spreaders of corruption.
3:64
Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered
2:161
Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;
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In this state shall they abide; [and] neither will their suffering, be lightened, nor will they be granted respite.
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AND YOUR GOD is the One God: there is no deity save Him, the Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace.
2:164
Verily, in the creation of the heavens and of the earth, and the succession of night and day: and in the ships that speed through the sea with what is useful to man: and in the waters which God sends down from the sky, giving life thereby to the earth after it had, been lifeless, and causing all manner of living creatures to multiply thereon: and in the change of the winds, and the clouds that run their appointed courses between sky and earth: [in all this] there are messages indeed for people who use their reason.
2:165
Yet of mankind are some who take unto themselves (objects of worship which they set as) rivals to Allah, loving them with a love like (that which is the due) of Allah (only) - those who believe are stauncher in their love for Allah - Oh, that those who do evil had but known, (on the day) when they behold the doom, that power belongeth wholly to Allah, and that Allah is severe in punishment!
2:166
[On that Day] it will come to pass that those who had been [falsely] adored shall disown their followers, and the latter shall see the suffering [that awaits them], with all their hopes cut to pieces!
Oh Lord, you know how to talk!
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and the fifth time, that God?s curse be upon him if he is telling a lie.
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They have earned the curse of Allah and of the angels and of the pious whose curse damages the accused; their own homes shall be cursed.
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1985), If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him (Remember that drfazl urges people to harm and kill themselves too by telling them not to fight disease)
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O you who (have) been given the Book, believe in what We (have) revealed confirming what is with you, before [that] We efface faces and turn them on their backs or We curse them as We cursed companions (of) the Sabbath. And is (the) command of Allah (always) executed.
33:61
Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.
63:4
When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah be on them! How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!
11:44
And the word was spoken: "O earth, swallow up thy waters! And, O sky, cease [thy rain]!" And the waters sank into the earth, and the will [of God] was done, and the ark came to rest on Mount Judl And the word was spoken: "Away with these evildoing folk!"
71:5
He said: My Lord! Lo! I have called unto my people night and day
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But all my calling doth but add to their repugnance;
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"And every time I have called to them, that Thou mightest forgive them, they have (only) thrust their fingers into their ears, covered themselves up with their garments, grown obstinate, and given themselves up to arrogance.
"No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray"
"self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you."
"Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further."
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Again, truly, I called to them with openness.
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and, behold I preached to them in public; and I spoke to them secretly, in private;
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and said: ?Seek forgiveness from your Lord; He has been so Forgiving.
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He will send down upon you the cloud, pouring down abundance of rain: (lol irony)
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And will help you with wealth and sons, and will assign unto you Gardens and will assign unto you rivers.
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What is the matter with you that you fear not the greatness of Allah?
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"'Seeing that it is He that has created you in diverse stages?
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Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another,
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And made the moon therein a light, and made the sun a lamp?
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"'And God has caused you to grow out of the earth in [gradual] growth; and thereafter He will return you to it [in death]:
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and [then] He will bring you forth [from It] in resurrection.
71:21
[And] Noah continued: "O my Sustainer! Behold, they have opposed me [throughout], for they follow people whose wealth and children lead them increasingly into ruin,
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and who have devised a most awesome blasphemy
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And they have said: Forsake not your gods. Forsake not Wadd (meaning "Love"), nor Suwa', nor Yaghuth (meaning "He Helps") and Ya'uq ("He Protects") and Nasr (meaning "Vulture" but possibly also something like "Victory" "Assistance").
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"They have already misled many; and grant Thou no increase to the wrong-doers but in straying
71:26
And Noah prayed: "O my Sustainer! Leave not on earth any of those who deny the truth:
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"For, if Thou dost leave (any of) them, they will but mislead Thy devotees, and they will breed none but wicked ungrateful ones.
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My Lord! Forgive me and my parents and him who entereth my house believing, and believing men and believing women, and increase not the wrong-doers in aught save ruin.
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Those are those whom God cursed, so He made them unwilling to hear and their sight, unwilling to see.
5:64
And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is bound up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 03, 2015, 11:12:18 PM
But you are the one who added implications falsely, I said something specific, I didn't state the opposite of what I said, drsnake. So you're, as usual, trying to falsely accuse. This is a bad habit of yours, but it is what Shaitans tend to do, and I know it might be hard for you to come to terms with being a devil, but the decision was never yours.
A Shaitan is one, like yourself, who goes around telling people that "All is not from God" (your first post in this thread starts off with your blasphemy) then continues to tell people not to take medicine and harm their bodies and spread disease, all the while having your shirki ideas behind it. You can't accuse me of shirk at all, I am the one who says Allah alone is the sole power controlling all matters entirely. Down to the little twinge in your nose hairs.
Then the Shaitani type of person comes and accuses and maligns and attacks someone who is saying that Allah alone is the only power. Are you starting to realize how you're a big devil? When I was sending messages to strengthen someone, you said the opposite, and then you made bold claims also that someone is "blessed" without any knowledge whatsoever. I've caught you by your snake tail every time, will you ever turn into a proper human being?
For as long as you continue to do evil, Allah might send against you people who remind you of your crimes, so cease your criminality. Your coming around like a snake and twisting things and attacking. People think I do that, but I don't really, and if I do it has a good cause, but what is your cause in defying me and attacking me? Your cause is to say the opposite of what I am saying.
What is it that I am saying? I am saying Allah is the sole power. You are attacking that and saying the opposite. You're a shirk riddled serpent who needs to be grabbed by the tail and smashed against every wall until you get it through your snake head that Allah is the power, not "drfazl" and not anyone else, and not the "jinn", Allah created everything.
So you can say Allah created medicine and medicine is bad, that is better than saying "Allah didn't do it, Allah does some things but not all things, Chance determines some things, Allah determines other things".
Now if you say that medicine is bad is another issue, and it is criminal of you to try to harm people and it is also generally stupid, your whole idea is stupid, maybe some part of you knows that.
Yet none of your crimes is bigger than your reasoning. You could say look how harmful medicine is, blah blah, that is not the problem here, it is you saying "Allah didn't do it, the jinn made it, Allah had no share in their creative power" that makes you a huge shirki blasphemer.
Your medicine stupidity is literally criminal, you are telling people to damage their bodies, to die, to refuse the gifts of Allah and the technologies of Allah, and also propagating the spread of disease. This makes you a genocidal maniac who needs to be opposed.
Me? I'm simply saying Allah is the sole power. I'm not saying any of the crap you are saying, which is extraneous garbage. Everything I am saying is good and precise and has a strong basis.
Let me talk to the supposed doctor who went to medical school, not the disease spreading killer, but someone with sense. Is it all gone now? Knock knock, who is there? Hisss, its drsnake.
But, as usual I am finding garbage in the retort without substance anywhere; have you answered my query to you? I want you to pick up from the junkyard and paste that part of the answer pertaining to my seeking of you.
Quote from: FreedomStands on Today at 01:20:31 AM
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Hi.
Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says.
Can you explain
the bold part alone as to what you think of others and what you demand of others to think of you, directly or indirectly? "Incredibly strong in Quran" is sure rambling and against 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85.
We will not intend to destroy. God provides also for those in the darkness, and so we also do.
But emotional outbursts do not help in any way.
Drfazl suggests a lifestyle concept, not a must.
Be well
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
3:60
The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
6.17 And if Allah visits thee with affliction none can remove it but He; and if He visits thee with good, He is powerful over everything. 3:60 This Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
Interpretation:
If Allah afflicts you with a disease no doctor but He can avert it. If Allah cures you, He has power over ill hospitals, ill 'specialists' and their medicines.
Quote from: Man of Faith on August 04, 2015, 05:41:25 AM
But emotional outbursts do not help in any way.
Drfazl suggests a lifestyle concept, not a must.
Be well
Absolutely Man of Faith. I do not think it is 'emotional outbursts' but it is "vomiting sickness" due to the products of conception in the breast of wrongful ideas.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2015, 05:48:41 AM
6.17 And if Allah visits thee with affliction none can remove it but He; and if He visits thee with good, He is powerful over everything. 3:60 This Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
Interpretation:
If Allah afflicts you with a disease no doctor but He can avert it. If Allah cures you, He has power over ill hospitals, ill 'specialists' and their medicines.
If you are hungry, no food can cure your hunger. If you are thirsty, no water can slake your thirst, yet as Allah wills and makes it so, and so you eat and drink, and similarly, some people take antibiotics that attack infections. Allah can do it other ways too, but can also do it that way, just like you eat when you are hungry, and drink water when you are thirsty.
In your case though, I highly recommend you stop food and drink altogether, and rely on "Allah alone" and reject the gifts of Allah, and surely you will survive in this manner for a long time, until Allah determines your death.
Also in answer to your other annoying stuff, I already answered, I never said what you claimed, I simply said they do not appear to have an incredibly strong knowledge of the Qur'an (because they say that Allah does not determine things, just like you also tend to say).
Nor can a joke make you laugh or a tragedy make you cry, except as Allah wills, and All is from God, the causes and the effects and whatever Allah makes it appear as.
We Are The Guardians
For
The Wisdom of Quran, The Zikr
15.9 Surely We sent down the manifest wisdom and verily, We are
@ its guardian.
Note:
@ We are:- Allah and those messengers who are endowed with the wisdom of Quran are sufficient proof that the Revealer is a Messenger 13/43 from Him who may be in any part of the world, at any point of time and their Wisdom on Quran, and the Revelation by them, of the Wisdom of Quran to the world, for all time to come. Thus the ?zikr? the wisdom of Quran, is well guarded as promised by Allah.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2015, 05:56:51 AM
Absolutely Man of Faith. I do not think it is 'emotional outbursts' but it is "vomiting sickness" due to the products of conception in the breast of wrongful ideas.
So these breasts that I was conceived in have written all inside of them "Allah alone is the Ultimate" and these are "wrongful ideas"? Drmushrik?
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 06:30:55 AM
If you are hungry, now food can cure your hunger. If you are thirst, no water can cure your thirst, yet as Allah wills and makes it so, and so you eat and drink, and similarly, some people take antibiotics that attack infections. Allah can do it other ways too, but can also do it that way, just like you eat when you are hungry, and drink water when you are thirsty.
In your case though, I highly recommend you stop food and drink altogether, and rely on "Allah alone" and reject the gifts of Allah, and surely you will survive in this manner for a long time, until Allah determines your death.
Also in answer to your other annoying stuff, I already answered, I never said what you claimed, I simply said they do not appear to have an incredibly strong knowledge of the Qur'an (because they say that Allah does not determine things, just like you also tend to say).
Will you give your sensible interpretation to 6/17 and then talk based on that instead of prattling? I have given my example as to how to interpret.
Regarding the second question the answer still remains to be answered. Did you simply said it and in this way:
They do not appear to have an incredibly strong knowledge of the Qur'an Where is the question of raising this comment at all if you are a surrenderer to the ayats: 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85?
I hope drfazl can withstand derogatory titles.
Regarding food, with Faith much less is required. It's actually only an illusion you eat. If God willed and supported it, a human could go on without eating or drinking for a long time, because an affection on the atoms is all which is required.
And with faith, much less can do much more.
And with Faith you could turn water into wine.
Be well
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 06:39:54 AM
So these breasts that I was conceived in have written all inside of them "Allah alone is the Ultimate" and these are "wrongful ideas"? Drmushrik?
Please write short and brief or give a summary of what you want to convey.
Allah alone is the Ultimate is a confusion and it is wrong conclusion to stop half-way.
Instead write this way: Allah alone is the Ultimate in Forgiving, in being Merciful, as the Judge of all Justice, as the Knower, as the Remover of Evils you earn against the wish of Allah, as Bringer of Good despite your wrongs, the Relenting, as Redeemer, as Helper, as Protector and so on and so forth.
Quote from: Man of Faith on August 04, 2015, 06:50:19 AM
I hope drfazl can withstand derogatory titles.
Regarding food, with Faith much less is required. It's actually only an illusion you eat. If God willed and supported it, a human could go on without eating or drinking for a long time, because an affection on the atoms is all which is required.
And with faith, much less can do much more.
And with Faith you could turn water into wine.
Be well
Seems you're lacking Faith.
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2015, 06:54:50 AM
Please write short and brief or give a summary of what you want to convey. Allah alone is the Ultimate is a confusion and it is wrong conclusion to stop half-way.
Instead write this way: Allah alone is the Ultimate in Forgiving, in being Merciful, as the Judge of all Justice, as the Knower, as the Remover of Evils you earn against the wish of Allah, as Bringer of Good despite your wrongs, the Relenting, as Redeemer, as Helper, as Protector and so on and so forth.
You managed to make me laugh! Haha. Very funny.
"Ultimate in Forgiving" not in every other regard? "Against the wish of Allah" Oh we can act against the wish of Allah? Certainly, mighty are we!
Quote from: drfazl on August 04, 2015, 06:44:43 AM
Will you give your sensible interpretation to 6/17 and then talk based on that instead of prattling? I have given my example as to how to interpret.
Regarding the second question the answer still remains to be answered. Did you simply said it and in this way: They do not appear to have an incredibly strong knowledge of the Qur'an Where is the question of raising this comment at all if you are a surrenderer to the ayats: 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85?
You do this repeating garbage every time, it is very annoying when you keep asking over and over and I have already answered it now. You want some particular answer and my answer is not fitting what you want, so answer it yourself then, but I already answered you and told you I did not say what you are implying, I only said the individual did not appear to have a strong knowledge of the Qur'an (same with you), because you and him both say that Allah is not the determiner of everything absolutely, the Qadiruun, you are both therefor blasphemers and liars with a weak knowledge of what the Qur'an says and a weak knowledge in general of why whatever is Ultimate is the Absolute Determiner, and if you say Allah is not, then you are merely saying something else is Ultimate other than Allah, even inadvertently.
I've told you, stop repeating the same question over and over, you've done this in all our arguments in the past, it is extremely annoying.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 07:10:48 AM
You managed to make me laugh! Haha. Very funny.
"Ultimate in Forgiving" not in every other regard? "Against the wish of Allah" Oh we can act against the wish of Allah? Certainly, mighty are we!
They can as Allah leaves them astray for their continued arrogance and aggression beyond the period of decree stated for them: Here is the verse 4/50 Look how they invent about Allah untruth, and sufficient is that as a manifest sin.
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Seems you're lacking Faith.
And your proof is what?
A man that says: "Everything is possible nothing is impossible" and lives up to the motto can surely not be without Faith, can he? Do you know what the word means? Confidence, security and acknowledgement.
It is like holding the hand over a pitcher of polluted water and saying "be you clean" and it comes pure. If it does, did that one lack Faith? No, I would not think so.
Iman is security in yourself which is security in God. Confidence is everything, but also humbleness to avoid arrogance which comes with confidence without humbleness.
But I have noticed you have derailed emotionally completely. This is detrimental for you, but hopefully you will eventually grow out of it. You still have time.
Be well
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 07:16:02 AM
I've told you, stop repeating the same question over and over, you've done this in all our arguments in the past, it is extremely annoying.
Seek patience from Allah;
Allah does not create haste for you but patience; do not get annoyed; Allah will change your mood to righteousness. Now answer to my query regarding 6/17 and to the next question from me to you based on 3/7, 17/85, 20/114. Write the ayats, and then your interpretation, and then your justification to your own statement.
But does this person (I refer to FreedomStands) worship the All Mighty/ The Ultimate as he claims?
See:
16:90: ?Indeed, Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded.?
But does this person really honor this order and command? If you think he does, then look at all of his speech and intentions, you will find precious little signs of it.
Iblees/Satan, devils and his following recognize the All Mighty as the One and Only Power too, but what does Iblees, the shayateen and his followers call to/ tempt/whisper/encourage/employ? The very opposite of what is in 16:90.
So your lord of darkness and evil, is a false idol that you worship with no power at all except to call to every injustice, to every perverted and disgusting speech and deeds, to oppression and bad conduct. To make the human believe that it can never choose between right or wrong, and whatever you do are not your deeds because God is responsible for your disobedience/obedience and so you in-fact, end up denying the judgement and trial and the All Mighty.
6:112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet?devils of mankind and Jinn?to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
6:113 That is so the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
6:114 ?Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed?? Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
Then do you worship the Lord of the worlds as you claim?
Refer to the Quran:
7:11 And We created you, then We shaped you, then We said to the angels: ?Yield to Adam;? so they yielded except for Satan, he was not of those who yielded.
7:12 He (God) said: ?What has prevented you from yielding when I have ordered you?? He said: ?I am far better than him, You created me from fire and created him from clay!?
7:13 He (God) said: ?Descend from it, for it is not for you to be arrogant here; depart, for you are disgraced.?
7:14 He (Satan) said: ?Grant me respite until the Day they are resurrected??
7:15 He (God) said: ?You are granted.?
7:16 He (Satan) said: ?For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path.?
7:17 ?Then I will come to them from between their hands, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left; and You will find most of them unthankful.?
7:18 He (God) said: ?Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those of them who follow you, I will fill Hell with you all!?
Satan/Iblees disobeyed, and blamed God for it. Disgraced is he who follows in these footsteps.
Curse? You are already cursed, but you perceive not.
I am replying on the phone. You made claims about faith in the post I was replying to. Can you do those things? No? That is what I was commenting on. That you said one who has faith can do such and such so I said it looks like you are lacking in faith since you can't apparently do such and such. I haven't derailed emotionally. Don't worry. I am just seeing how people respond to what is being said and how it is being said.
I am responding on my phone to you A.W.
I am saying the Ultimate is all I call God. You are claiming God does not determine but things can go this way or that way and God doesn't know and chance determines the outcome. You are saying I am false and saying false things. You are saying it is false that Allah is determiner and you are saying you are the determiner and you can freely do this or that so chance determines the results which Allah also doesn't know. You are saying I am cursed for believing and stating Allah is the sole determiner. You are saying Shaitan could turn around and not be outcast regardless of Allah. You are implying I am like Shaitan and very likely Shaitan's follower ny saying Allah is the sole determiner while you say you determine and chance dwyer ines and Shaitan can determine too. You think I will be punished for saying Allah is the sole power and creator of everything and you will be spared for saying Allah is lacking in knowledge of what will happen and what will be done and relies instead on chance and follows after what people determine by chance. Do you really think you are right? Do you really think there is a source of anything at all in existence but Allah? I say that everything whatsoever in the Universe and on Earth is created by Allah entirely and Allah alone determines and creates what Allah wills and you are claiming no and that I am Satanic for saying Allah created everything whatsoever and that includes good and evil and not everything is necessarily good for people. That whatever is experienced is determined and created by Allah and decreed by Allah before it is brought into existence by Allah be it in the Earth or in yourself. You are saying no. You are saying I am wrong and Satanic and cursed for saying these things and that instead of God alone being determiner, you deterkine your fate by the actions you determine for yourself left up to chance since you can do this or that and God does not create absolutely everything and does not decree or determine or even know what will happen but is left in suspense waiting to see what chance determines and does not create all experiences bit people choose and determine. Perhaps you can go back and read the quotes I provided too.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
I am responding on my phone to you A.W.
I am saying the Ultimate is all I call God. You are claiming God does not determine but things can go this way or that way and God doesn't know and chance determines the outcome. You are saying I am false and saying false things. You are saying it is false that Allah is determiner and you are saying you are the determiner and you can freely do this or that so chance determines the results which Allah also doesn't know. You are saying I am cursed for believing and stating Allah is the sole determiner. You are saying Shaitan could turn around and not be outcast regardless of Allah. You are implying I am like Shaitan and very likely Shaitan's follower ny saying Allah is the sole determiner while you say you determine and chance dwyer ines and Shaitan can determine too. You think I will be punished for saying Allah is the sole power and creator of everything and you will be spared for saying Allah is lacking in knowledge of what will happen and what will be done and relies instead on chance and follows after what people determine by chance. Do you really think you are right? Do you really think there is a source of anything at all in existence but Allah? I say that everything whatsoever in the Universe and on Earth is created by Allah entirely and Allah alone determines and creates what Allah wills and you are claiming no and that I am Satanic for saying Allah created everything whatsoever and that includes good and evil and not everything is necessarily good for people. That whatever is experienced is determined and created by Allah and decreed by Allah before it is brought into existence by Allah be it in the Earth or in yourself. You are saying no. You are saying I am wrong and Satanic and cursed for saying these things and that instead of God alone being determiner, you deterkine your fate by the actions you determine for yourself left up to chance since you can do this or that and God does not create absolutely everything and does not decree or determine or even know what will happen but is left in suspense waiting to see what chance determines and does not create all experiences bit people choose and determine. Perhaps you can go back and read the quotes I provided too.
Then let the All-Mighty be witness, i am innocent of all your false accusations on my part. I seek refuge with God from being of the ignorants.
What false accusations. I was trying to clarify our positions and what you are saying. Did I misunderstand you?
Praise be to Allah. Now I have strong reason to not follow drfazl.
@ DrGm, I hope that you're not following him (drfazl) blindly
Quote from: DrGm on July 24, 2015, 04:56:49 AM
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
So, you and your family also do not need
drfazl, right?
Are you also a doctor?
And, maybe now you're drfazl's assistant? Is it correct?
Why it seems like you're someone who's "following drfazl closely"?
Quote from: DrGm on July 24, 2015, 04:56:49 AM
. . . thousands of believers,
I doubt that the amount of believers (true ones) could reach thousands nowadays.
Peace.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 04, 2015, 01:05:27 PM
I doubt that the amount of believers (true ones) could reach thousands nowadays.
Peace Javalatte,
Dr Fazl's meetings (6 meetings per month) happens every month all over tamilnadu, southern state in India. Every meeting, 200 to 400 people attend. Also, a few listen over phone regularly. People abroad (Singapore, Malaysia, Dubai,etc.) download and listen to his speeches from foolproofcure website.
There are others who read his books and magazine - Health time.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 04, 2015, 01:05:27 PM
So, you and your family also do not need drfazl, right?
Yes. Some do not go to him for treatment when they are ill, because Drfazl insists that we turn to God and not to him.
Gita
Quote from: Wiselite on August 04, 2015, 02:11:53 PM
Peace Javalatte,
Dr Fazl's meetings (6 meetings per month) happens every month all over tamilnadu, southern state in India. Every meeting, 200 to 400 people attend. Also, a few listen over phone regularly. People abroad (Singapore, Malaysia, Dubai,etc.) download and listen to his speeches from foolproofcure website.
There are others who read his books and magazine - Health time.
Yes. Some do not go to him for treatment when they are ill, because Drfazl insists that we turn to God and not to him.
Gita
So he is a big killer, not just one sitting on this forum, but killing people in the Tamilnadu, killing men, women, children, and the elderly with his misleading them and letting infections attack them and kill them and mutilate them from the inside. The Tamilnadu has many diseases and he is working for the diseases and allowing them to spread by not combating them. His sins are TREMENDOUS. He may have already led to the deaths of people, and you losers on this website take him as a joke and say that I'm being overly dramatic.
Javalatte used to enjoy coming around and kicking me when others would kick me urging them on saying "yeah, you tell em!" type stuff, when I am fighting for what is absolutely right.
Drfazl is a genocidal murderer and should not be tolerated whatsoever. There is nothing innocent about what he is doing or saying, he is sitting there and having people killed in the Tamilnadu apparently with a major influence over people.
You all are sitting and saying "no, no, it is ok, let people say whatever they want but you FreedomStands shouldn't say Allah is the only power", who CARES about that? This person is KILLING PEOPLE and spreading disease in a diseased populace with low health care already, he is harming and manipulating villagers, the Muslim population of the Tamilnadu, he is a SHAITAN OF EXTRAORDINARY PROPORTIONS. I'm not kidding!
If a mother thinks his lies are true, she won't give the medicine to her child, this man is a MURDERER.
I'm not being "overly dramatic". People who are tolerant of it are supporters of Murder too (Man of Faith, A.W., and whoever else who are always on the wrong side).
There should be 0 TOLERANCE of a person going around and having people killed.
He is worse than that, he is using the Qur'an to have MUSLIMS manipulated and killed.
Do you know what kind of punishment he is in store for? Yet he needs to be stopped NOW, the people of the Tamilnadu and Muslims are being harmed by him and he is spreading his shirk and misleading over them to lead to the harm of them and their families.
I will say it again and again, and you fools on this website want to have me banned?
drfazl is the MOST dangerous person on this website. I did not make as much of a fuss about the other deficient people on this website because they aren't nearly as lethal and dangerous as drfazl nor influencing and harming as many as he is. He is putting people at huge risk without any precautions and claiming it is in the name of Allah and the Qur'an, misleading the weak in knowledge and ignorant so that the infections are not combated and their bodies are harmed, he is a SHAITAN, an ENEMY, try to get it through your idiotic skulls you freaks!
Your disgusting tolerance of a flat out murderer means SUPPORT. This is not an issue you can sit by and say they are totally fine spreading news among Muslim villagers that they should allow the spread and progress of disease, you IDIOTS. This is why I hate the stupid fools on this website so much, they are all devils because they tolerate a murderer like this among many of their other disgusting and stupid traits and think they are righteous. Hey you animals, you are not RIGHTEOUS AT ALL, because you DO NOT STAND UP AGAINST EVIL, you stand up instead against ME and my saying "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no other power", you shirk riddled scum, and you sit and you tolerate a murderer like drfazl who is having children and the elderly die because they are not fighting infections.
Freedom... ?do you always take what people say in this forum about who they are or do or any other claim as proven facts?
There is nothing easier than pretending without having to show your face or prove whatever. For all we know a person who says I am so and so and believe so and so is just a mole or a nuts who may be wanting to pose as somebody great or important. We do not know.
Do not get upset. People in Tamil Nado are no more idiot that anywhere else to spot trickers, and who knows whehter anybody here is doing anythin in tamel nadu or the anthartic.
There are thousands of forum in the internet no to speak of the face book or the twitter. Don't get mad about somebody who says this and that becuase you think it is really this and that. That is a good job internet has done. Instead of having the nuts running wild through th streets, we can all join here and do our nuttingness in in this palce without harming the streets.
Salaam
Quote from: huruf on August 04, 2015, 04:34:49 PM
Freedom... ?do you always take what people say in this forum about who they are or do or any other claim as proven facts?
There is nothing easier than pretending without having to show your face or prove whatever. For all we know a person who says I am so and so and believe so and so is just a mole or a nuts who may be wanting to pose as somebody great or important. We do not know.
Do not get upset. People in Tamil Nado are no more idiot that anywhere else to spot trickers, and who knows whehter anybody here is doing anythin in tamel nadu or the anthartic.
There are thousands of forum in the internet no to speak of the face book or the twitter. Don't get mad about somebody who says this and that becuase you think it is really this and that. That is a good job internet has done. Instead of having the nuts running wild through th streets, we can all join here and do our nuttingness in in this palce without harming the streets.
Salaam
Thank you, but it doesn't matter if it is true or not (but this drfazl, a person called drfazl has a website with videos and everything, you can find it too, if it is the same guy here or a guy pretending to be him or not isn't the point at all), the point is that Allah sets up unjust ones and enemies, and it is our duty to fight evil and misleading and injustice, and speak out against it at the very least and persist against it.
It doesn't matter what is true or not true regarding this individual, they need to be fought against because of what they are saying and trying to lead people to, even on the internet which is a form of communication. I am fully aware that no one will get fooled by him except who Allah wills, that isn't the point at all.
The polytheists in Mecca, the evildoers of Egypt, and the people of Abrahim and Lot all had to be fought against and spoken out again, and Noah had to speak out against evil as well. This is a duty upon true Muslims, and Allah sets up enemies to demonstrate who are the ones who speak out against evil and oppression and who quietly do not offer much resistance or opposition and who actually attack the ones fighting evil. A.W. who loves saying "you've proven what you are" has for example proven to be on the side of injustice multiple times, though he thinks he is on the side of justice, he was easy on Man of Faith and easy on drfazl, drfazl being a serious murderer and misleader, even if it is just online (but there is a real guy in the world too, who he is supposed to be, and the internet is real as well, we are all real people, so don't let the internet cause you to become detached or not fight as hard as you might in real life).
Generally, what is proven time and again is that the people on this website are evildoers and hypocrites. They sit by and tolerate misguidance and evil even when it reaches murderous levels, this is because they are not at all surrendered to Allah and devoted to true righteous action. Instead you see them repeatedly attack the one saying "Allah alone is the Ultimate, there is no other power whatsoever", making it very clear who and what they are, that they chose that to fight rather than to fight injustice, they fight a devotee of Allah. They are hypocrites and kaffirs wholeheartedly. They tell people not to pray and mock it as "acrobatics" they tell people to turn away from the qiblah, they tell people not to fast, do you understand what level of evil these people are? They are on the internet, they are real people, communicating to each other, and all this is real, don't get confused by the typing aspect, its real communication and these are real deeds being done.
Not one of them is a strong fighter, in the ancient times they would likely not have taken up arms against oppression and evil, since they lack the hatred of it even now, but certainly hate one who says "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no other power whatsoever than Allah, controller of all things".
Allah sets up enemies and evildoers to "prove" and "make manifest" (what is often translated as "testing", but for Allah there is no "I don't know what I'm making" but only like a chemical test, bringing about exactly what Allah intends to bring about, manifesting his creation) who are the righteous, who are the evil, who is strong, who is weak, who will stand up and fight evil. This is not Allah not knowing and seeing, this is Allah manifesting exactly what Allah wills, "this is the fighter, this is the weakling, this is the evildoer, behold".
drfazl, the poisonous serpent, has been set up on this forum as a Shaitan and evildoer spreading misguidance and shirk that can genuinely be the cause of misleading and harming people (just like disease himself), and now it is our duty to fight evil and misguidance, and notice that I'm the only one fighting so hard, I'm always ahead of the pack, foremost in the battlefield. Even you are saying "no no, its all fantasy, don't worry", this is the kind of self comforting that others did in the past perhaps too, no, it doesn't matter if drfazl listens or not or anyone listens or not, its about OUR actions, do we stand up against evil? are we one of those who fight misguidance vehemently and viciously? Do we sit back and let others fight and we let injustice and disease spread? Allah makes distinctions and who is who is made manifest.
So join me in the fight against this simple, online, propped up demon and speak out against evil openly, and gain some merit and be heroic. Protecting a person spreading disease is not justice or righteousness at all.
I already had a heated exchange with drafzl. At one point I read something interested from him, but later I did have that exchange and since them I have ignored him. As far as I am concerned, without precluding that some time he might say something of interest, he got disqualified. I do not usally have the time or strength to wngage in long battles, and I also think that people, each people must think up for themselves, if they refuse to do that, we are presching to them and it is as if we were selling them our own goods, which is not the case and they will turn away from us. So I think even in uncovering pretence one has to use some measure, because otherwise it has the opposite result.
May be I do not feel the danger as you do, but at any rate I can tell you that too much adjectivation is counterproductive. We have had good arguments on this question of God relaying on God means doing nothing and I think anybody who wants to reason has already done it. If you keep harping, you will convince less and defeat your own purpose.
You are young I think and you want all action, but we are not all as fit as you.
Salaam
Quote from: huruf on August 04, 2015, 05:38:20 PM
I already had a heated exchange with drafzl. At one point I read something interested from him, but later I did have that exchange and since them I have ignored him. As far as I am concerned, without precluding that some time he might say something of interest, he got disqualified. I do not usally have the time or strength to wngage in long battles, and I also think that people, each people must think up for themselves, if they refuse to do that, we are presching to them and it is as if we were selling them our own goods, which is not the case and they will turn away from us. So I think even in uncovering pretence one has to use some measure, because otherwise it has the opposite result.
May be I do not feel the danger as you do, but at any rate I can tell you that too much adjectivation is counterproductive. We have had good arguments on this question of God relaying on God means doing nothing and I think anybody who wants to reason has already done it. If you keep harping, you will convince less and defeat your own purpose.
You are young I think and you want all action, but we are not all as fit as you.
Salaam
I agree. My idea is more about "doing right in the immediate as yourself for yourself" regardless of any objectives such as "convincing" people which is not possible. For example, Noah didn't seem to convince anyone much, nor did Ibrahim, but their whole function was being exemplars of the right. So our job, and your job, is a simple one, its simply to act rightly, to speak out against evil when it appears, and this is such an easy version, just an online forum where anyone can easily at least type their opposition to wrong things being stated and then you've done a little justice. You do alright though.
Peace.
There is only one truth. Whether you defend it or not ,it will prevail.
Defending the truth means calling to GOD Alone and Qoran Alone. GOD does everything.
[Qoran 10:108] Proclaim: "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
[Qoran 18:1] Praise God, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.
[Qoran 18:2] A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.
[Qoran 10:32] Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
[Qoran 34:49] Say, "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor repeat it."
[Qoran 18:56] We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain.
[Qoran 39:29] God cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith/personal opinions/innovations/...), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Qoran). Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
Qoran 39:33] As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
[Qoran 7:181] Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
[Qoran 3:187] God took a covenant from those who received the scripture: "You shall proclaim it to the people, and never conceal it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
[Qoran 6:51] And preach with this (Qoran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord - they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor - that they may attain salvation.
[Qoran 50:45] We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Qoran, those who reverence My warnings.
So ,whoever is claiming the truth but is following falsehood GOD is aware of them.
In GOD we trust . Help us Lord to promote your truth to defeat falsehood in whatever guise it may appear.
GOD bless.
Peace.
Quote from: good logic on August 04, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
Peace.
There is only one truth. Whether you defend it or not ,it will prevail.
Defending the truth means calling to GOD Alone and Qoran Alone. GOD does everything.
[Qoran 10:108] Proclaim: "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
[Qoran 18:1] Praise God, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.
[Qoran 18:2] A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.
[Qoran 10:32] Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
[Qoran 34:49] Say, "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor repeat it."
[Qoran 18:56] We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain.
[Qoran 39:29] God cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith/personal opinions/innovations/...), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Qoran). Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
Qoran 39:33] As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
[Qoran 7:181] Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
[Qoran 3:187] God took a covenant from those who received the scripture: "You shall proclaim it to the people, and never conceal it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
[Qoran 6:51] And preach with this (Qoran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord - they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor - that they may attain salvation.
[Qoran 50:45] We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Qoran, those who reverence My warnings.
So ,whoever is claiming the truth but is following falsehood GOD is aware of them.
In GOD we trust . Help us Lord to promote your truth to defeat falsehood in whatever guise it may appear.
GOD bless.
Peace.
Exactly!
Salaam good logic
Quote from: good logic on August 04, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
Peace.
There is only one truth. Whether you defend it or not ,it will prevail.
Defending the truth means calling to GOD Alone and Qoran Alone. GOD does everything.
[Qoran 10:108] Proclaim: "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
[Qoran 18:1] Praise God, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.
[Qoran 18:2] A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.
[Qoran 10:32] Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
[Qoran 34:49] Say, "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor repeat it."
[Qoran 18:56] We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain.
[Qoran 39:29] God cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith/personal opinions/innovations/...), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Qoran). Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
Qoran 39:33] As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
[Qoran 7:181] Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
[Qoran 3:187] God took a covenant from those who received the scripture: "You shall proclaim it to the people, and never conceal it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
[Qoran 6:51] And preach with this (Qoran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord - they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor - that they may attain salvation.
[Qoran 50:45] We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Qoran, those who reverence My warnings.
So ,whoever is claiming the truth but is following falsehood GOD is aware of them.
In GOD we trust . Help us Lord to promote your truth to defeat falsehood in whatever guise it may appear.
GOD bless.
Peace.
Good post. The Truth will always prevail, that is, whatever Allah determines will always prevail, but the idea I'm also trying to promote is that regardless of the truth prevailing or not, in focusing on ourselves we should not stand by or sit by or sleep by as evil and injustice, misguidance and lies abound, but the least we can do is stand up and speak out against wrong, and that is good for us, regardless if anyone listens or if truth prevails or not, that we stood up against and opposed evil and fought against it, its part of our duty and obligation as true Muslims, it is part of striving in the cause of Allah (Jihad), it is a religious and personal practice that has nothing to do with actually winning or not.
Ibrahim stood upright for righteousness and truth against the lies. He was sickened by the lies and destroyed idolatry and mocked it. Nuh stood against lies where the people worshiped "Love" (Wadd) and others concepts. Musa stood against the Pharoah with Harun, Lut spoke out against the evils of his community. These people were the righteous, and Muhammed fought against evil as well, as Allah commanded and prescribed. It is no little thing, and it doesn't matter what the results are at all, just that we do it, like charity. Charity is not about if it actually ends up resolving all poverty in the world, but is about our individual action of being intent on relieving trouble and anxiety, another form of fighting evil and injustice.
So we must, if we are to be proven as true Muslims, stand up and speak out against evil, against shirk, against all the vipers and the witches and their poison and lies.
I am not wrong in this. This is just an internet forum, and is one of the easiest places we can speak out against evilness when it is spotted, but I didn't come here for that purpose, its just that a Muslim naturally hates evil and is sickened by it and speaks out against it, the same way these hypocrites are disgusted by the statement that Allah alone is the Ultimate who determines everything absolutely and there is no power but Allah alone nor anything which Allah relies on for results, such as "Chance".
Remember the Qur'an says how they are disgusted when Allah alone is mentioned and love only when Allah is mentioned with other powers and partners and concepts.
Quote from: A.W on August 04, 2015, 07:08:26 PM
Exactly!
Salaam good logic
lol what in the world are you saying "exactly!" for while promoting that Allah relies on chance to determine things, does not know what people will necessarily do nor determines it, and that they operate on their own power? Telling people who are trying to straighten you up not to address you and that you are not going to learn anything, when you are a shirk promoter, and also a defender of evilness, who comes and opposes people fighting against evil and does so by saying "no, God is not the Ultimate controller or determiner, but we determine what paths we choose, and it is left to chance, and God doesn't determine or choose, or but we choose, and God watches in suspense, not knowing, and leaving it up to chance since it can go this way or that way" these are NOT false accusations, these are the actual things implied in what you are saying, and you come and fight me instead of a devil like drfazl and other promoters of falsehood and evil. You are always on the wrong side of the fence, why don't you humble yourself and come to the side of right?
You won't be able to, save as Allah wills. You can not even will it, except as Allah wills it.
Allah has placed you on the wrong side of goodness, because you say that Allah does not choose and determine, because you think it is unjust or evil to say that Allah is the determiner and cause of evil. In your hope for piety, you become a blasphemer and performer of shirk.
Is there ANY shirk in the statement that ALLAH ALONE IS THE POWER WHICH DETERMINES AND CONTROLS EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, THE SOLE CREATOR OF EVERY DETAIL OF WHICH THERE IS NO OTHER CREATOR? IS THERE ANY SHIRK IN THAT STATEMENT?
NO!
YET IS THERE SHIRK IN THE STATEMENT THAT "GOD DOES NOT CREATE EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, ONLY SOME THINGS, HUMANS CHOOSE WHAT GOD CREATES OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE AND CHANCE DETERMINES SINCE IT CAN GO ANY WAY BASED ON VARIOUS PRE-CALCULATED PATHS WHICH GOD HAS NO IDEA WHAT WILL BE CHOSEN"
Do you understand? I'm trying to help you.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
lol what in the world are you saying "exactly!" for while promoting that Allah relies on chance to determine things, does not know what people will necessarily do nor determines it, and that they operate on their own power? Telling people who are trying to straighten you up not to address you and that you are not going to learn anything, when you are a shirk promoter, and also a defender of evilness, who comes and opposes people fighting against evil and does so by saying "no, God is not the Ultimate controller or determiner, but we determine what paths we choose, and it is left to chance, and God doesn't determine or choose, or but we choose, and God watches in suspense, not knowing, and leaving it up to chance since it can go this way or that way" these are NOT false accusations, these are the actual things implied in what you are saying, and you come and fight me instead of a devil like drfazl and other promoters of falsehood and evil. You are always on the wrong side of the fence, why don't you humble yourself and come to the side of right?
You won't be able to, save as Allah wills. You can not even will it, except as Allah wills it.
Allah has placed you on the wrong side of goodness, because you say that Allah does not choose and determine, because you think it is unjust or evil to say that Allah is the determiner and cause of evil. In your hope for piety, you become a blasphemer and performer of shirk.
Is there ANY shirk in the statement that ALLAH ALONE IS THE POWER WHICH DETERMINES AND CONTROLS EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, THE SOLE CREATOR OF EVERY DETAIL OF WHICH THERE IS NO OTHER CREATOR? IS THERE ANY SHIRK IN THAT STATEMENT?
NO!
YET IS THERE SHIRK IN THE STATEMENT THAT "GOD DOES NOT CREATE EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, ONLY SOME THINGS, HUMANS CHOOSE WHAT GOD CREATES OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE AND CHANCE DETERMINES SINCE IT CAN GO ANY WAY BASED ON VARIOUS PRE-CALCULATED PATHS WHICH GOD HAS NO IDEA WHAT WILL BE CHOSEN"
Do you understand? I'm trying to help you.
Again, mere accusations those too things that i have never believed nor have i ever said and those too without any proof or warrant, complete vindictiveness, keep up your attempts of arrogant posts without knowledge, God will bring out what you fear.
Shall i seek other than God as a guide when He (no gender implied) revealed the Quran fully detailed?
Quote from: A.W on August 04, 2015, 07:38:09 PM
Again, mere accusations those too things that i have never believed nor have i ever said and those too without any proof or warrant, complete vindictiveness, keep up your attempts of arrogant posts without knowledge, God will bring out what you fear.
Shall i seek other than God as a guide when He (no gender implied) revealed the Quran fully detailed?
Dude, do you not understand those are not "mere accusations", they are what your statements imply. Explain yourself then if you're claiming it false. I explained already that when you say "God doesn't determine, we determine" those are the implications.
You're the one lying by saying you are not saying that. Go look at your posts, you've clearly made these implications. If you are saying what I am saying, then you're right, if you are saying anything else, then you are wrong and saying the other thing.
It is pretty simple. Stop denying like a chicken and then explain your beliefs as not meaning that "it can go this way or that way". You can't just explain it then? You keep saying these are accusations out of nowhere? You are the one saying that I'm wrong and Satanic, and then you're denying that you're saying something different than me?
Explain yourself already. You claim you don't believe those things I've said are the implications of what you are saying. I agree, you probably haven't thought it through to realize those are the implications involved with what you are saying, and instead believe some other stupid thing.
So go ahead and explain to everyone here your beliefs, and then I'll tell you the implications they logically induce or mean, and then if you have any guts and brains you'll admit that oh yeah those are the implications.
Just like I admit that the implications of what I am saying are that God controls every single rape that occurs (calamitous as they are, and how they are experienced, and the thoughts and actions related to them too, as those are all "created" information, and there is no other creator).
See? I'm not a coward like you. So man-up for once in your life, this is just an internet forum, and go ahead and explain yourself and how I can possibly be "wrong" and how your blasphemous garbage is actually "right" when it implies God doesn't know and God didn't determine it, and God leaves it to chance for humans to determine the paths and coordinates and thus which experiences occur.
Go ahead. Or maybe swallow that you've been a fool, and say "Allah alone is the Ultimate power, controller of everything absolutely, all experiences, good and evil, determiner of all livelihoods and what happens, and who dies and how and when and every detail, we have no power but are powerless before Allah, if Allah has saved us it is not due to any merit of our own, we own nothing, God gives us everything, Allah freely gives and freely takes away".
You either say that, or you're a shirki, so explain your shirk.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 04, 2015, 01:05:27 PM
@ DrGm, I hope that you're not following him (drfazl) blindly
Peace.
peace,
3.132 Obey Allah and the messenger; you will be rewarded mercy.
i see drfazl in this 3.132; he is the light bearer following quran, an example in front of my eyes. 3.132 i follow, so whoever follows 3.132 look close. my family, i tell them follow 3.132.
i meet drfazl to strengthen my belief in Allah alone, i have not read quran before i met him; the world around us and the knowledge whatever i have make difficult to live Allah alone. strengthening is unlearning the knowledge. he helps me unlearning; and shows how to use quran in day to day life. quran helps becoming human not scholar.
i see him guiding whoever comes to him to Allah and quran. whoever gets guidance towards the book, they understand how their problems solve. they come back to his meetings/clinic to strengthen their belief in Allah alone.
QuoteI doubt that the amount of believers (true ones) could reach thousands nowadays.
thousands in 700 millions, in their various stages of their journey towards Allah alone. true ones you said, they are ones who wish to live true. only God can certify the level of truthfulness.
QuoteAre you also a doctor?
i learnt acupuncture/acutouch practiced, taught and left when i understood it is not the system that heals but Allah.
5.59 Say: O People of the Book! Do you avenge us for aught else than that we believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed afore time, and because most of you are evil-livers?
Give one example like this from your Book, that directly contradicts 26/80. I am not angry with you; abusing you; not criticising you; no harsh words; no derogatory languages - rather I have the peace to ignore all these undignified outburst; Allah has given me peace and steadfastness and only increases me in my Iman.
If you and your company could see and compare the posts, you will know whom Allah has guided and whom Allah has sent astray.
QuoteDo not get upset. People in Tamil Nado are no more idiot that anywhere else
49.11
O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule another people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them.
And do not insult one another and do not call each other by offensive nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after one's faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Quote from: huruf on August 04, 2015, 04:34:49 PM
...?do you always take what people say in this forum about who they are or do or any other claim as proven facts?
There is nothing easier than pretending without having to show your face or prove whatever....
Salaam
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Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
He is putting people at huge risk without any precautions and claiming it is in the name of Allah and the Qur'an, misleading the weak in knowledge and ignorant so that the infections are not combated and their bodies are harmed, he is a SHAITAN, an ENEMY, try to get it through your idiotic skulls you freaks!
I believe and follow Prophet Ibrahim, when Allah mentions about prophet Ibrahim whom Allah orders to say to his people,
"It is Allah alone who cures me when I am ill." What freedomstands speaks about me with al the offensive names is that he indirectly indicts the prophet himself.
freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 01:11:23 AM
I believe and follow Prophet Ibrahim, when Allah mentions about prophet Ibrahim whom Allah orders to say to his people, "It is Allah alone who cures me when I am ill." What freedomstands speaks about me with al the offensive names is that he indirectly indicts the prophet himself.
freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
What is there to discuss? I say Allah created everything, you say Allah did not create everything, but the Jinn created some things and you call them "masters of fiery technologies". You urge people to not fight infections, and you should also discontinue eating food and drinking water to prove you do not need food to cure hunger or liquid to cure thirst.
I've explained repeatedly why you're a dangerous criminal, preying on the weak and the poor in knowledge.
You say that Allah did not create medical technologies, meaning that Allah did not create all things, but claim that some things are not from Allah. I explained in detail the problems with what you are saying, and you are urging people in a poverty stricken community to have their children killed by letting diseases spread, tuberculosis and whatever else, major infections and diseases.
You are a criminal, this is not "name calling", this is saying what you really are. A murderer.
Quote from: DrGm on August 04, 2015, 10:53:00 PM
peace,
3.132 Obey Allah and the messenger; you will be rewarded mercy.
i see drfazl in this 3.132; he is the light bearer following quran, an example in front of my eyes. 3.132 i follow, so whoever follows 3.132 look close. my family, i tell them follow 3.132.
Wow.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 01:55:55 AM
What is there to discuss?
Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.
26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.
I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."
Do, you? medicines, doctors, hospitals worshiper?
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 02:19:11 AM
Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.
26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.
I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."
Do, you? medicines, doctors, hospitals worshiper?
The Qur'an repeatedly says all things are created by Allah, even the bad things that are calamitous and evil. Not "some things" but "everything". Everything means Everything. Correct? Correct.
You are claiming that Allah did not create everything, only some things, and if there are things created or in existence which Allah did not will or bring about, then you are attributing other creators. The Qur'an says there are no other creators, nothing brings about anything except Allah alone, even the bad things.
So what will you teach me? You'll teach me shirk.
Your follower DrGm or whatever, is claiming that "fear kills" a person when they are afraid of a poison. So I highly recommend, if this is what you teach too, that you daily drink deadly poison and stop being a coward, and simply prove your assertions by showing that there is no need for medical intervention and that you can freely without a fuss or trickery ingest huge amounts of deadly poison without anything happening to you.
If you are not a coward, then I recommend also that you have your head severed from your body and prove that no medical intervention is required, and you can speak from your head disconnected from your body.
If you are able to do this, maybe then the whole world will believe what you claim, and certainly this should be easy for you to do, why are you afraid? Is it that you're a hypocrite?
Drink deadly poison regularly and have your head severed from your body to prove that there is some other creator besides Allah alone? That is what you promote when you say:
"I do not find similarly an ayat"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."Do, you? medicines, doctors, hospitals worshiper?"
You are thus claiming Allah did not create everything whatsoever and that there are things in existence which Allah did not create.
Go ahead, I await the video where you have your head severed from your body and it continues to speak to the people and teach them that Allah is not the sole creator of everything. Do you doubt that it can be done? Why would not such a magnificent thing be possible? Go ahead and show the world so that you can teach them all that Allah did not create all things absolutely.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 01:55:55 AM
You should discontinue eating food and drinking water to prove you do not need food to cure hunger or liquid to cure thirst.
Which part of the world says hunger is a disease and thirst is a disease; and the food and water are medicines?
QuoteI've explained repeatedly why you're a dangerous criminal, preying on the weak and the poor in knowledge.
Repeated barking does not mean a thing; speak sensibly like a human being with some dignity and fear for Allah. For you is another ayat 4/148, which we will discuss later to make you know why you are a rejecter and an abominable one.
QuoteYou are a criminal, this is not "name calling", this is saying what you really are. A murderer.
The hospitals are where the last rites are done before death. Every one should die in the hospitals under the merciful blades of the doctors and their poisons, the medicines. For you another ayat, which I do not mention now; but I will discuss sure, if only you are sane in your words and use of language, for Allah does not like the sound of an ass 31/19. I will discuss it with you again if you mend your behaviour.
first,
Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.
26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.
I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."
"Call the doctors besides Me."
"Believe in the Medicines besides Me All Powerful."
"Enter the Hospitals, leave my Realm!"
I do not find such verses in Quran!
Do, you? You - the medicines, doctors and hospitals worshiper, besides and beside Allah?
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 02:31:01 AM
The Qur'an repeatedly says all things are created by Allah, even the bad things that are calamitous and evil. Not "some things" but "everything". Everything means Everything. Correct? Correct.
Wrong! For Allah says, Good is what Allah has in store in abundance for you which He will create in just measure in accordance with each of your behaviour distinct from one another; and evil is what He creates for you in just measure to the extent of each of your unjustness.
Otherwise what you say is absolute invention and a lie.
3.193 ?Our God, surely we believed heeding to the call of him who called us to the path of belief, saying: ?Believe in your God?. Our God, forgive us our sins; and drive away from us our evil; and capture our souls with the enlightened.?
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 02:36:51 AM
Which part of the world says hunger is a disease and thirst is a disease; and the food and water are medicines?
Repeated barking does not mean a thing; speak sensibly like a human being with some dignity and fear for Allah. For you is another ayat 4/148, which we will discuss later to make you know why you are a rejecter and an abominable one.
The hospitals are where the last rites are done before death. Every one should die in the hospitals under the merciful blades of the doctors and their poisons, the medicines. For you another ayat, which I do not mention now; but I will discuss sure, if only you are sane in your words and use of language, for Allah does not like the sound of an ass 31/19. I will discuss it with you again if you mend your behaviour.
first,
Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.
26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.
I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."
"Call the doctors besides Me."
"Believe in the Medicines besides Me All Powerful."
"Enter the Hospitals, leave my Realm!"
I do not find such verses in Quran!
Do, you? You - the medicines, doctors and hospitals worshiper, besides and beside Allah?
You spoke of repeated barking. You are stating that Allah did not create all things, you are a blasphemer.
Remember my earlier posts? I explained all the points showing ayats too. You ignored them and mocked them, saying I am just posting so many ayats.
Do you remember that? When you said "Freedomstands, I appreciate your flooding the page with the ayats of Allah but to what purpose?"
Go back to those posts and look.
Here, I will get the links to them for you:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947
Calling you a Shaitan (Enemy), a Criminal, and a Murderer are not "Barking" or "name calling". Calling you a "snake" is not name calling either.
I am telling people what you are.
1. You state that Allah did not create all things, that some things that are in existence are not brought about, determined, or created by Allah. Automatically that puts you in the category of a Shirk promoter by attributing some creation to others than Allah.
2. You prey upon villagers and the ignorant and many others by telling them not to fight infections and diseases so letting the infectious bacteria and whatever else grow and spread and harm their bodies, mutilation, killing of children and the elderly, and more. This makes you a criminal and a murderer.
Do you see? It isn't a "filthy mouth" you simply are these things for real. Because you lead people to harm and promote shirk vehemently, you are a "Shaitan" an enemy to the people, and a friend to disease in this case. You yourself, and your beliefs, are a disease too.
Do you claim my saying that Allah alone is the creator of everything is a diseased statement? Then you're no different from the Shaitan's of the past.
People are calling you "messenger" and things like that, and hundreds of people look up to you and you are leading them to hurt and promoting shirk to them, this makes you a major devil. Do you understand? Remember in the Qur'an the scenes with the leaders and the followers? If you're in any of those scenes, you're one of the leaders.
You are called snake because you contain poison and poisonous beliefs and seductively spread them to people, whereas I bluntly and blatantly say Allah alone is the ultimate, there is no seductive snake business with what I am saying, and anyone can insult me for my methods, but you behave like how people in the past used to say "that is a snake".
That is why a name for you can be drsnake. It isn't falsely insulting you, you really are these things, you are a bad person, a villain. Who knows how many people have been hurt because of you so far? You are a major sinner, and your whole basis is shirk, as I've explained.
Now read this, and try to understand it. Don't worry, you won't be able to. You will just blurt out and repeat your inane questions, and in the end we'll see who is right:
Is FreedomStands who says Allah alone is the creator of everything right or is drfazl who says Allah does not create everything right?
We shall see.
Now go back and read, and focus on what I wrote to you.
If you say anything that diverts from what I am saying in the slightest, you are simply a blasphemer.
I say that Allah alone is Ultimate, the Ultimate created everything whatsoever that exists, that does not mean everything is necessarily good. You claim that there are other creators because Allah did not create some things, such as medical technologies. This is where you perform shirk.
I have given you a way out even, to instead say that Allah indeed created everything whatsoever, but that Allah created medical technologies, and that they are bad. This is then not shirk, and we can then deal on the fact of you denying the help of Allah and whatever else, but at least it is not shirk.
Do you understand the distinction being made?
You'll still be a killer and a promoter of disease and infection by telling people not to fight disease and infection, you'll still be a criminal and a snake and whatever else, but at least you will not be performing shirk on top of it all.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 01:55:55 AM
QuoteQuote from: drfazl on Today at 11:11:23 AM
I believe and follow Prophet Ibrahim, when Allah mentions about prophet Ibrahim whom Allah orders to say to his people, "It is Allah alone who cures me when I am ill." What freedomstands speaks about me with al the offensive names is that he indirectly indicts the prophet himself.
freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
What is there to discuss?
What is there to discuss?
To discuss that I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim... while you are not.
Are you ready?
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
All good comes from Allah 4/79; all evil is from your own devisings 4/78. Allah does not drive you to evil but He enjoins good works. Allah forbids evil while you bid evil. This is Quran.
All is from God, the good from Allah, the evil from yourselves, ALL is from God, not SOME, ALL. 4:78.
It is exactly people like you that it is talking about in 4:78.
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 03:17:33 AM
freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
What is there to discuss?
What is there to discuss?
To discuss that I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim... while you are not.
Are you ready?
Actually, I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim, you are not. You claim there are other creators besides Allah, I claim that Allah alone created everything "you and all that you make" "you and all your handiwork".
By saying that Allah did not create all things, you are doing shirk, the opposite of what Ibrahim's religion was, you are saying Allah is not the creator of everything, only some things, while there are other creators, such as those who created medical technologies, which Allah did not create according to you.
So I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim, you are standing by the stance of shirk.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 03:18:52 AM
All is from God, the good from Allah, the evil from yourselves, ALL is from God, not SOME, ALL. 4:78.
It is exactly people like you that it is talking about in 4:78.
Thank God! For the first time you accept all evil is from yourself, which Allah creates, shapes and produces as a thing or as an event. Now you got it; I am with you.
So similarly let us discuss:
26.80 To discuss that I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim... while you are not.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 03:21:37 AM
Actually, I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim, you are not. You claim there are other creators besides Allah, I claim that Allah alone created everything "you and all that you make" "you and all your handiwork".
By saying that Allah did not create all things, you are doing shirk, the opposite of what Ibrahim's religion was, you are saying Allah is not the creator of everything, only some things, while there are other creators, such as those who created medical technologies, which Allah did not create according to you.
So I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim, you are standing by the stance of shirk.
No need for unnecessary claims on both the sides.
First put the ayat 26.80
Put the ayat
Explain the ayat
Interpret to the situation
How you apply to the varying standards of people around
And finally you will know where you stand.
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 03:23:35 AM
Thank God! For the first time you accept all evil is from yourself, which Allah creates, shapes and produces as a thing or as an event. Now you got it; I am with you.
So similarly let us discuss:
26.80 To discuss that I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim... while you are not.
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 03:23:35 AM
Thank God! For the first time you accept all evil is from yourself, which Allah creates, shapes and produces as a thing or as an event. Now you got it; I am with you.
So similarly let us discuss:
26.80 To discuss that I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim... while you are not.
As usual, you misread what I wrote.
This might help you, since your brain might be a bit broken:
All is from God.
That does not mean "evil is from yourselves", which is a direct contradiction of "All is from God". Are you able to understand that?
So now read carefully what I wrote.
ALL IS FROM GOD: THE GOOD FROM GOD, THE EVIL FROM YOURSELF. ALL IS FROM GOD.
Now let me fill in the blanks, since you can't seem to comprehend that in any other than a mentally retarded fashion.
ALL IS FROM GOD: The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD.
Now do you understand?
Probably not. Stupid is as stupid does, you know?
Yes, you are stupid. Anyone who rushes to hell proclaiming Allah did not create everything is stupid, so you are stupid indeed.
These are not insults, these are simply statements about what you are, a stupid shirk promoting murderer. That is not being dramatic, that is simply factual.
If one states "evil is from yourselves, not from Allah" they are stating shirk.
The Qur'an directly opposes this statement in 4:78, but your brain can't seem to grasp it apparently because you are in love with shirk.
All is from God does not mean "evil is from yourselves, thus All is not really from God, but some is from yourselves while some is from God". Rev up that broken brain of yours and try to understand.
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 03:26:51 AM
No need for unnecessary claims on both the sides.
First put the ayat 26.80
Put the ayat
Explain the ayat
Interpret to the situation
How you apply to the varying standards of people around
And finally you will know where you stand.
These are not "unnecessary claims". They are clarifying the positions. Identifying your shirk clearly. It is no wonder you would not want them revealed.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 04:00:14 AM
These are not "unnecessary claims". They are clarifying the positions. Identifying your shirk clearly. It is no wonder you would not want them revealed.
Common my friend,
Get down to business.
First put the ayat 26.80
Put the ayat
Explain the ayat
Interpret to the situation
How you apply to the varying standards of people around
And finally you will know where you stand.
@drfazl, Do you take money or gifts from your followers and for your lectures and writing in magazines?
Quote from: Wiselite on August 04, 2015, 02:11:53 PM
Peace Javalatte,
Dr Fazl's meetings (6 meetings per month) happens every month all over tamilnadu, southern state in India. Every meeting, 200 to 400 people attend. Also, a few listen over phone regularly. People abroad (Singapore, Malaysia, Dubai,etc.) download and listen to his speeches from foolproofcure website.
There are others who read his books and magazine - Health time.
Yes. Some do not go to him for treatment when they are ill, because Drfazl insists that we turn to God and not to him.
Gita
Hi Gita, Does Dr Fazl collect /take money from his meetings and for his speeches , books and magazines?
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 04:20:10 AM
Common my friend,
Get down to business.
First put the ayat 26.80
Put the ayat
Explain the ayat
Interpret to the situation
How you apply to the varying standards of people around
And finally you will know where you stand.
I'm sleepy, do it for me. You seem to have some plan to prove something. All you want to prove is the following:
"FreedomStands says that Allah is the only power and Ultimate which creates and controls all things absolutely, this is not so, because I, drfazl, say that the Qur'an says that Allah does not create everything or control everything, but instead there are other creators and determiners, and Freedomstands is wrong from saying Allah is the only creator of everything, because Allah did not create medical technologies".
This is what you want to prove? Then as they say "Go to hell".
Peace Faruk,
Entry for meetings/speeches is totally free.
Books and magazine costs money.
Gita
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 05, 2015, 07:07:47 AM
I'm sleepy, do it for me. You seem to have some plan to prove something. All you want to prove is the following:
"FreedomStands says that Allah is the only power and Ultimate which creates and controls all things absolutely, this is not so, because I, drfazl, say that the Qur'an says that Allah does not create everything or control everything, but instead there are other creators and determiners, and Freedomstands is wrong from saying Allah is the only creator of everything, because Allah did not create medical technologies".
It is for sure time and again you prove you have no understanding of Quran; you cannot touch 26/80; 3/7; 17/85; 20/114 or any of the ayats; absolutely ignorant, posing here to prove your concept: Allah guides you to hell; It is wilful play by Allah; Allah creates all evil for you; Allah makes you steal; Allah makes you rob; Allah makes you a terrorist; Allah bombs Iraq, Palestine; Allah created molesters of women; and Allah shall send molesters to Heavens; and the molested to Hell; He does what He wills. What an understanding of Quran and Allah!
Listen to what I say:
Allah says, Good is what Allah has in store in abundance for you which He will create in just measure in accordance with each of your behaviour distinct from one another; and evil is what He creates for you in just measure to the extent of each of your unjustness.
If you really fear Allah, take one ayat, only one ayat out of 6000 odd verses and discuss your subject instead using all the slum languages on earth. I know as a low lying one that you are you cannot free yourself from the foul languages; all your posts speaks of the
freedom and it is unimaginable that you have been given by the moderators to use as much foul mouth to speak as possible in this thread; and I doubt if they all
stand by you. And I doubt if there are any more evil words still left on the streets.
Quote from: faruk on August 05, 2015, 06:07:24 AM
@drfazl, Do you take money or gifts from your followers and for your lectures and writing in magazines?
I do not take money or gifts for the meetings nor do I have any following and I do not believe in the organizations; I am single, all alone with Allah.
Quote from: faruk on August 05, 2015, 06:07:24 AM
@drfazl, Do you take money or gifts from your followers and for your lectures and writing in magazines?
You may be interested in these posts if you're curious about the financial aspect:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605479.msg330853#msg330853
QuoteAllah finally taught me His Way. From the year 1999 December the patients one by one started trickling again after a gap of 3 years. Now after 13 years of leaving acupuncture, with the cure effected in each patient through prayers alone, I am teaching Quran and how to be under the grace of Allah by shirking away from shirk. My fees now is USD 2000 per patient. It is no more a fees now because I am not curing but God. It is an offering they have to give as their alms for Allah having guided them in the right path through a chosen person from among them. I was not revealing this all along only to avoid embarrassment on both the sides.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605427.msg331173#msg331173
Quote"Affluent people will never come to me; the so called educated will make fun of me; the middle income people will be weighing their options too long to come to me. Who is left here, are the poor people and who are below poor and who have no money at all.
So, my real service will only be towards the 'poor' people. Yet I will not reduce my fees and no concessions to money.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605427.msg331166#msg331166
QuoteAnd of course, by Allah, I do not ask for wages to deliver the messages of Quran to the people. All my travels are by flight and the best auditoriums, my stay in 5 star hotels are my own expenses and I do not expect from the people who comes to listen to this message, close to 600 to 750 people every week. Even while I was deprived of all the money 20 years earlier, I was traveling in the third class train, with very difficult accommodation, with a very thin gathering of 10 or 15 people in the big auditorium - all expenses were borne by me with whatever Allah had left with me. Again this was not felt tough by me at any point of time. I was only thinking of when Allah's help would come; and I know and always believed, Allah's help is near.
Anyone other than the dummy accounts can see exactly what's going on here.
A Wise Man Vs A Fool
The knowledge of a wise will increase like a flood,
and their counsel like a life giving spring.
The mind of a fool is like a broken jar;
it can hold no knowledge.
When an intelligent person hears a wise saying,
he praises it and adds to it.
When a fool hears it,he laughs at it and throws
it behind his back.
The utterance of a sensible person in the assembly
and they ponder his words in their minds.
A fool raises his voice when he laughs,
but the wise smiles quietly.
The mind of fools is in their mouth,
but the mouth of the wise is in their mind.
When an ungodly person curses an adversary,
he curses himself,degrades himself and he is hated in this forum.
OMG. drfazl not only a charlatan , a liar too. @freedomstands , thanks for exposing him.
Quote from: faruk on August 05, 2015, 01:17:57 PM
OMG. drfazl not only a charlatan , a liar too. @freedomstands , thanks for exposing him.
I had no idea, it shocked me too. Allah is bringing to light the accusations against the criminal. He has defrauded the vulnerable, and misled them, telling them that they should let infections and disease spread in the name of shirk, saying "Allah did not create everything, Allah did not create medical technology or all things, only some things." and opposes those who say Allah created everything, All is from Allah whatsoever.
He then takes 2000 USD from people, when teaching them Islam supposedly! DO YOU KNOW HOW AFRAID I WOULD BE ASKING A PRICE EVEN TO BE THE FRIEND OF A PERSON? YET HE TAKES A PRICE TO TEACH THEM RELIGIOUS THINGS!
That is considered a major sin by almost all the religions.
He calls it, like other scam artists, "alms". DOES ANYONE GIVE A POOR PERSON 2000 USD per meeting?
He compares himself, and is compared by people to a messenger, yet the messengers did not ask a fee from people or else they would've been called criminal con artists. That is why people called them madmen, since they brought themselves to ruin rather than riches, so people could not explain why they were doing it.
What does he teach for this price? He teaches that "All is not from Allah, for example, medical technologies are not from Allah".
Hey drfazl, you snake, who defrauded the poor and harmed the innocent and ignorant! Count up the money you have made, and know that every offering you have accepted will be turned into the currency of the afterlife, that is, Fire. What will you wear for clothes then drfazl? You who said "Jinn are the masters of fiery technologies, Allah did not create everything whatsoever, but only some things, Allah did not create all technologies" (even though Allah said YOU AND ALL YOU MAKE, YOU AND ALL YOUR HANDIWORK, ALLAH CREATED), will see who the real Master of Fiery Technologies is perhaps.
"They are blessed" making proclamations on behalf of Allah? I do not know if you will go to paradise or hell, but what you require is another change of career.
Flee from your current endeavors, cease taking a price or "alms" for your teachings. Discontinue the printing and the speeches, and Fear Allah.
You can not win and you can not prosper in the end by saying "Allah did not create everything, for example, Allah did not create your handiwork, what you make, since Allah did not create medical technologies".
Know this, criminal, deceiver, killer: Even if the Qur'an had said "Allah is not the Ultimate" or "There are other powers besides Allah" or "Allah did not make everything" that ALLAH IS THE ULTIMATE, THERE ARE NO POWERS BESIDES ALLAH, AND ALLAH MADE EVERYTHING WHATSOEVER. THERE IS ONLY THE ULTIMATE, AND YOU WILL LEARN THE HARD WAY OR THE EASY WAY.
You are asked only to surrender to this, what I am saying is right, and if you TURN AWAY, AND IF YOU DENY IT, then know who the Muslims are.
They are the ones who say There is no power but Allah, there is no ilah but Allah, no creator, no power, no determiner, no actor, nothing but Allah alone who does anything at all. They have no power to create, they have no power to do, they have no power even to will to do anything.
ALL YOU SHIRK RIDDLED SCUM ON THIS WEBSITE, YOU ARE SUPPOSEDLY MUSLIMS, SO HEAR ME OUT, if you do not abide by what is being said here, REGARDLESS OF THE QUR'AN OR WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS, you will FAIL to understand the nature of reality, and the Truth of Death and Destruction is only ahead.
Thus, I repeat, if ANYONE or ANYTHING, including the Qur'an you claim to hold dear, says "Allah is not the Ultimate, Allah is not the power behind everything, there are many powers, there are many actors that Allah does not control, Allah does not control all things, Allah's hand is fettered, the people run free and chance determines what they do, Allah does not know what they will do or what is done nor makes it happen or makes it so but the people choose and determine what paths" or ANY VARIETY OF THAT, is FALSE, and can NEVER BE SO, because the ULTIMATE, whatever is ULTIMATE by definition is in control of everything whatsoever, creator and cause of everything absolutely, conscious determiner of all things, not being run by Chance, not being run by anything but itself.
I REPEAT: No matter WHAT the Qur'an seems to say to you, the statement "Allah does not control or create all things" can NEVER BE TRUE, unless what you are calling Allah is not the Ultimate.
I do not fear your pathetic lies and lesser gods of your imagining. That is why I'm bold.
Go ahead and test your pathetic gods against mine, curse me with all your might!
Bring your worst magic against me, ask your Allah to fight with the ULTIMATE.
Go ahead drfazul, you snake, you who believe that Allah did not create everything and take 2000USD (a huge amount for the people) money for such statements, see if all the Hindus prayers and yours combined can change the TRUTH.
Bring all your worst against me, pray to your false concepts that are less than the Ultimate (since they did not create everything nor control absolutely everything), and see what can be done! Know that if you pray against me, you are praying against someone who says Allah alone is the power of everything everywhere, creator of all things whatsoever, and that this is what you are attacking vehemently, because you are polytheists and shirk lovers.
I urge you all to curse me with all your might to see if you have any power whatsoever.
Why am I so unafraid of your curses? It is because I know who the power is, and I am luring you into a trap of the most tremendous backfiring you've ever experienced in your life. This is because I want that you suffer immensely in this life and the next.
Why?
It is because you lie to humanity by saying Allah is not the Ultimate, and charge a fee for it, and spread infection and disease. I want all evildoers to suffer horrifically.
Among those on the website, drfazl, you are the top criminal here.
If you repent and completely amend, you'll be my brother in an instant.
Until then, you are simply a representative of evil, and evil is what I fight. Nothing personal, I don't know you, what you look like, or anything. You're just an empty thing, it is what you represent that I am vicious against, so don't take it personally that I am calling you a snake, villain, criminal, murderer, child killer, misleader, deceiver, thief, and whatever else. It is what you are representing and doing, it is what you are spreading, and it is all based firstly in the lie that you spread which is "Allah did not create all things".
I have even given you an easy way out, a way that you can maintain aspects of your criminality while reducing the amount of hatred I have for you.
The way out is that you say "Everything, including medical technologies, all that we make, all our handiwork no matter what, is created by Allah, Allah creates all things" and you can add "but not everything Allah has created is good for us, and medical technology is bad for you, even though Allah created it as well as everything else, good and bad".
Thus you reduce your shirk, even though you remain a misleader and murderer, you will at least not be doing shirk on top of it.
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 09:14:22 AM
I do not take money or gifts for the meetings nor do I have any following and I do not believe in the organizations; I am single, all alone with Allah.
What? Then what about what was posted about you?
Quote from: dr.rks on August 05, 2015, 01:01:13 PM
A Wise Man Vs A Fool
The knowledge of a wise will increase like a flood,
and their counsel like a life giving spring.
The mind of a fool is like a broken jar;
it can hold no knowledge.
When an intelligent person hears a wise saying,
he praises it and adds to it.
When a fool hears it,he laughs at it and throws
it behind his back.
The utterance of a sensible person in the assembly
and they ponder his words in their minds.
A fool raises his voice when he laughs,
but the wise smiles quietly.
The mind of fools is in their mouth,
but the mouth of the wise is in their mind.
When an ungodly person curses an adversary,
he curses himself,degrades himself and he is hated in this forum.
If you are referring to me, do you consider what I say, the sayings of a fool, for saying that Allah is the only power, there is no other power, Allah determines, creates, and fully controls everything and does not leave things up to other powers like the power of chance and individuals have no power to do anything or even will anything of their own accord?
I enjoyed what you wrote anyway, but if you're calling me a fool for my statements, then that means you are opposed to the statements and instead saying what differs from them. If you say what differs from them, you are in a state of shirk. If you are in a state of shirk, the Qur'an issues curses upon you.
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 09:05:40 AM
It is for sure time and again you prove you have no understanding of Quran; you cannot touch 26/80; 3/7; 17/85; 20/114 or any of the ayats; absolutely ignorant, posing here to prove your concept: Allah guides you to hell; It is wilful play by Allah; Allah creates all evil for you; Allah makes you steal; Allah makes you rob; Allah makes you a terrorist; Allah bombs Iraq, Palestine; Allah created molesters of women; and Allah shall send molesters to Heavens; and the molested to Hell; He does what He wills. What an understanding of Quran and Allah!
Listen to what I say:
Allah says, Good is what Allah has in store in abundance for you which He will create in just measure in accordance with each of your behaviour distinct from one another; and evil is what He creates for you in just measure to the extent of each of your unjustness.
If you really fear Allah, take one ayat, only one ayat out of 6000 odd verses and discuss your subject instead using all the slum languages on earth. I know as a low lying one that you are you cannot free yourself from the foul languages; all your posts speaks of the freedom and it is unimaginable that you have been given by the moderators to use as much foul mouth to speak as possible in this thread; and I doubt if they all stand by you. And I doubt if there are any more evil words still left on the streets.
By the way, ignorant snake, it is not "slum language" to identity what you are. When I said "m*therfa****, my joke (had you keen observation) was that no swear word at all was said. Nor was a real swearword censored. Look carefully. It says "m*therfa". There is no such English swearword that continues "fa", but I was watching the ignorant people on this website take it to mean a swearword haha. Not only that, but part of the joke was censoring the o in mother. Not many people understand my humor.
Now, if I call your teachings absolute sh*t. This is not slum language either. Sh*t is a word which refers to fecal matter and filth, which is like the shirk you teach and the deeds you do as you rob the poor, yet I have been quite gentle with you in calling you merely what you are, a snake, murderer, liar, thief, deceiver, misleader, shaitan, devil, and whatever else.
Perhaps even a "m*therfa" haha whatever that is. Oh! A Motherfazl perhaps!
faruk's enquiry:
Quote@drfazl, Do you take money or gifts from your followers and for your lectures and writing in magazines?
To this I replied, I do not take money or gifts for my lectures; and I have no following; nor do I enrol membership; nor had I set up an organisation. And about magazines and books, yes, definitely I sell it.
Now, where I have gone wrong in this?
And wherefrom and what triggered so much of hue and cry is what is intriguing. From the disinterring, from the places of interment and internet?
Beware of Shaitans and His Tribe.
7:27 O Children of Adam! Let not Satan tempt you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts. Surely he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you see them not. We have made the Satans the friends of those who do not believe.O The mankind, let not shaitans prompt you and make you fall a prey to his aggression and oppression as he did to the people before you now and aforetimes; and maintain your dignity and decorum even in a forum of no identities and preserve your attire and attainment for Allah; surely shaitan sees you, he and his accomplices hand in hand from where you see them not. We have made shaitans and his friends of those who do not believe.
Quote from: drfazl on August 05, 2015, 07:56:19 PM
faruk's enquiry:
To this I replied, I do not take money or gifts for my lectures; and I have no following; nor do I enrol membership; nor had I set up an organisation. And about magazines and books, yes, definitely I sell it.
Now, where I have gone wrong in this?
And wherefrom and what triggered so much of hue and cry is what is intriguing. From the disinterring, from the places of interment and internet?
What then of the 2000USD you mentioned in an earlier post?
2000 USD - it is a riddle now, when people do not have good thinking ( for this you need quran as guidance) they only choose the wrong as right. if you think rightly with the postings of drfazl you will understand the truth about 2000 USD. let it be a riddle. let the unright curse with their hasty decision. i can say you have wrongly concluded.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 04, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
Javalatte used to enjoy coming around and kicking me when others would kick me urging them on saying "yeah, you tell em!" type stuff, when I am fighting for what is absolutely right.
So, that's what you think of me?
I tell you, I'm not here with the purpose to "expel" you.
Of course I like if you stop from making trustless writings in here, but I'm not eager to stop you (whether you believe me or not - I don't care). I need to earn a living, so I'm not having enough time to go online (including to spend time in this forum) as much as I want. I should do something which I think is an answer of my prayer to Allah back then (I can't really remember when, maybe few years ago). Currently, Allah helps me to do work which inshaAllah I could like/enjoy: entrepreneurship and creativity, and I don't want to be ungrateful for the opportunity which is given to me, and if I could do my work properly, then God willing, it could make my parents happy, and that's much more important than "kicking you",
and, I think it is better and more peaceful to learn the Qur'an in person and avoid the contamination from misleading/bad posts in this forum. Perhaps it is better for me to focus on other things other than free-minds, however, I could feel the need to login for certain things, such as before this time, the last time I logged was not because of you, but because one of hicham's posts made me interested, and then I posted about a group in Facebook and I also wanted to ask something to brother Hizbullah (by PM).
I don't want to follow drfazl, you, or MoF. I think you threes have grave similarity. But maybe drfazl is more "advanced", because it seems he already has quite-loyal supporters (or accounts?) who backed him here.
If people have wisdom and apply righteousness, I hope they could recognize why you, drfazl, and MoF should not be followed blindly.
Brother A.W is my friend, and I'm glad that he is not among of your fans.
Peace.
I feel that I supposed to respond/reply to Hizbullah and mmkhan earlier, I am sorry brothers.
Maybe I should make more proper posts @ Wiselite and @ mmkhan (there's something I wanted to ask you brother, related with hospital), but I can't do it today - I'm sorry.
However, in short, I hope that you both (mmkhan, Wiselite) can choose wisely from drfazl posts/writings/statements - which ones are right and which ones are wrong.
Salaam.
Quote from: savage_carrot on August 05, 2015, 12:44:41 PM
You may be interested in these posts if you're curious about the financial aspect:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605479.msg330853#msg330853
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605427.msg331173#msg331173
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605427.msg331166#msg331166
Anyone other than the dummy accounts can see exactly what's going on here.
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Jinn of Fire And Man of Mud
The Technologies Fire And Mud
On the day when He shall muster them all together: 'Company of jinn, you have made much of mankind.' Then their friends among mankind will say, 'Our Lord, we have profited each of the other, and we have reached the term determined by Thee for us. He will say: 'The Fire is your lodging, therein to dwell forever' - except as God will; surely thy Lord is All-wise, All-knowing.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 05, 2015, 10:57:55 PM
So, that's what you think of me?
I tell you, I'm not here with the purpose to "expel" you.
Of course I like if you stop from making trustless writings in here, but I'm not eager to stop you (whether you believe me or not - I don't care).
I need to earn a living, so I'm not having enough time to go online (including to spend time in this forum) as much as I want. I should do something which I think is an answer of my prayer to Allah back then (I can't really remember when, maybe few years ago). Currently, Allah helps me to do work which inshaAllah I could like/enjoy: entrepreneurship and creativity, and I don't want to be ungrateful for the opportunity which is given to me, and if I could do my work properly, then God willing, it could make my parents happy, and that's much more important than "kicking you",
and, I think it is better and more peaceful to learn the Qur'an in person and avoid the contamination from misleading/bad posts in this forum. Perhaps it is better for me to focus on other things other than free-minds, however, I could feel the need to login for certain things, such as before this time, the last time I logged was not because of you, but because one of hicham's posts made me interested, and then I posted about a group in Facebook and I also wanted to ask something to brother Hizbullah (by PM).
I don't want to follow drfazl, you, or MoF. I think you threes have grave similarity.
But maybe drfazl is more "advanced", because it seems he already has quite-loyal supporters (or accounts?) who backed him here.
If people have wisdom and apply righteousness, I hope they could recognize why you, drfazl, and MoF should not be followed blindly.
Brother A.W is my friend, and I'm glad that he is not among of your fans.
Peace.
Yeah, remember how when people are ganging up on me or saying something I am saying is bad, without explanation, you take the opportunity to join up and try to kick me at that time saying "I am glad you said this" and stuff like that, its just a bad habit a little bit, I was bringing it up for that reason because many people are like that.
For example, in the real world, I saw how people are emboldened more when others are attacking first, then they kind of urge them on or say "yeah!" after the fact.
Anyway, I know I use controversial methods, but I'm strictly saying Allah alone is the Ultimate there is no other power, and thus I am set among my charlatan brothers as the least shirk prone.
Even your friend A.W. does not realize that when he says "it is left up to humans to choose the specific paths and Allah does not drive them down any paths or determine it for them" he is actually saying "it is up to chance, if they go this way or that way, not determined by God, so left to chance" then he makes it seem like that is a false accusation when it is a darn straightforward logical implication of what he is saying and he should man up and admit to it.
In your case, if you want to know what I think of you, I think you're a good muslim girl, and I like that. For whatever reason Allah has put you towards stupid things sometimes which are irrelevant like the flat earth stuff, but if you pray and fast and do all those things, then at least you're a Muslim "officially" and by the general standards.
As for the flat Earth, you should simply say "I do not know if it is this way or that way, since I have not flown a plane around the Earth or sailed a ship around the Earth or reached the ends of the Earth, I do not know" and that is sufficient, no one is blaming you for not knowing, but to exaggerate and say "The earth is flat!" like some people on here, is just what ignorant people do, the same they said "Jesus died!" and "Jesus is the son of God!" without knowing it at all.
I do not really say what I don't actually know. When I say Allah is the Ultimate, it is not conjecture, it merely means "I am designating the term "Allah" to refer to "the Ultimate" and thus I can not be "wrong" in that, its just my use of language, similarly I explained how words like Lucifer can be used the same way, the words are practically arbitrary was the point, it is about the definitions and the careful linguists and logical "math" involved and the implications.
It is the "math" that A.W. is having trouble with, because for him it is blasphemy to think that God might be "unjust" by his standards, so he can't say "God determines the evil they do" and so out of his sense of piety he leaves it up to "chance" and says God is not responsible for it all. This is what it seems to be, and so his intentions might be good, but he is arguing on the wrong side of the fence in two cases, first in defense of Man of Faith (not really defense, he just thought I was too harsh with him) then coming and being against me when I'm battling a villain drfazl. Anyone who comes and stupidly gets in the way and tries to impede righteousness, is being made a fool.
Same goes for you when you join in when people are messing with me and saying "yeah! You tell em guys!".
Anyone who opposes my statement that "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no other power but Allah, Allah chooses and determines everything and creates all experiences absolutely and is not caused or driven by any other driver but Allah alone who is self-sufficient" is performing shirk.
My statements are deliberate traps, if anyone falls into them by diverting even a metaphorical micro meter or less from what I am saying, they are going to be in the wrong.
A.W. was offered a chance to talk to me and become my friend, and he slapped it away and says there is nothing he wants to learn from me.
He is stubborn about his idea and won't even let himself realize the implications of what he is saying.
He doesn't get much of my ire though, because as far as I know he is not defrauding the poor and the ignorant the way that drfazl is nor saying anything necessarily harmful the way drfazl is.
Man of Faith is also not really saying anything very harmful, I have tested him to see how far he takes it and he moderated and did not take the things to extremes when I offered extremes so he is fine, not really very bad, also no one seems to listen to him the way that drfazl has a big following of people and influence.
I was harsh with some user who seemed to be implying some toleration for drinking and drugs because those are harmful substances.
Can you see who I get angry at most and in degrees and why?
It is the ones who actually are working harm that are the most vehemently fought against.
In the meantime, the rest are shirk loving, but loving shirk is one thing (and it is very bad) but taking shirk to the next level by saying "Allah doesn't create everything, so let infections and diseases spread and pay me 2000USD for prayers and talking to you" is a whole new level of villainy. As far as I know Man of Faith is not like that so doesn't even come close to that level of criminality.
The crimes of Man of Faith are that he just very boldly makes statements without explaining to people that these are his own discoveries that are not approved of really by the mainstream linguists and "experts". So it is his confidence that might mislead people, but if he simply explains that these are his own interpretations and discoveries and how he understands it based on the lexicons and inspiration and whatever else, then it isn't a big deal.
My earlier battles with him arose when he was just blatantly saying stuff that was not the mainstream academic stuff, but now I resolved that by always mentioning that this is the mainstream academic stuff. If he just mentions he is making up his own stuff that isn't vetted by the mainstream academics or approved by them, then it isn't a big deal and he won't be misleading anyone, he will be more open and straightforward. I'm also concerned his beliefs are unsuitable in his relationship and his wife may be being neglected or mistreated because of the beliefs (not as in direct abuse or anything, but just that she is a "worldly" person and he doesn't want to be like that and it isn't pleasing to either of them maybe so it is kind of a sad relationship, but I also understand its hard if not impossible to let go or divorce and see her go with anyone else who might be able to make her happier in this world).
Hicham's crimes are making bold and blatant statements, and runninglikezebras also has a tendency sometimes to say things with more confidence than it should have, and it would be better for both of them to say "it may be such and such" instead of "this is how it is". Hicham has a natural sense of humor that comes out in his posts, and runninglikezebras seems to have good intentions, neither are at the criminal level of drfazl, but Hicham would be more worthy of a criminal title because he boldly promotes backwards stuff and is opposed apparently to mainstream education and so is spreading ignorance and people to become alienated from the "worldly world of lies" and unable to function, fighting against math and science and astronomy and whatever else. Runninglikezebras is opposite, in the sense that he is more in line with science and more modern and progressive rather than radical and backwards. Yet runninglikezebras is also working alienation, since he wants to turn people from the mainstream Qiblah (honestly to me it doesn't matter at all, I try to only see what the current situation is and if the majority are all dealing with Mecca now then trying to turn them to Jerusalem is a petty struggle, more important are good deeds and strict monotheism and whatever else for now).
Who else?
good logic seems good and also pretty careful with his words. Armin remains pretty careful. Hawk99 seems pretty good and careful too, though each might have some ideas here and there which may be a little different from each other but it doesn't seem a big deal, they all seem to pray, fast, and can generally be considered mainstream Muslims.
Ikrame is way too easily on the attack and takes offense way too fast. She may also be one of the "flat-earthers" leading to alienation from the world and modern science.
1rightlyguided is just a generally a kind of strange character.
storminateacup didn't have enough patience but might come back.
faruk and UnseenLight seem to be rather good characters but they keep to themselves and haven't adopted as much of a fighting spirit, they may not have the time for it, but I think that it is a good deed to speak beautiful truths regarding Allah, even if they sound ugly to the disbelievers, so can use this forum more for a bit of that practice too. My speeches are meant to be praises of Allah, even though they seem to you to be insults, only a few understand that they are glorifying Allah as the Ultimate. It doesn't matter to me if people listen to me or not, because it is "birdsong", just beautiful praises I recite, I read them at least. It feels good to recite the praises of Allah, such as "Allah is the murderer of anyone who is murdered". For whatever reasons, these statements do not give some of you peace, but to some of us it gives us great happiness and peace. We are different, either one of us is Muslim or neither of us.
The beliefs of Layth, Wakas, and whoever else in authority are somewhat ambiguous to me even though they have posted lots, I just don't know what they believe or practice, if they are mostly mainstream Muslims or way into something different like some people on here who neither pray, nor fast, nor do any of those classic "5 pillars" or whatever.
When there was a few days break you guys had from me, I was actually blocked from the website by the moderators, so don't think I'm immune from being blocked or anything, but don't try to have me blocked, it is ridiculous that this website should not have at least one rather mainstream perspective present, and I'm still radical and not quite mainstream in the sense that I do not like the Hadith, but like Armin pointed out earlier I do follow a rather mainstream type of interpretation, even older than the modern apologetics, by promoting the "Fatalism" of traditional Islamic theology (it was much more common apparently in Islam before, but now the more Western theology of "Omnibenevolence" and "Free Will" and whatever else has become more popular and Muslims are also flocking towards those ideas whereas before they used to be more Fatalist and not particularly focused on "Omnibenevolence" as much as "Omnipotence" among the majority. This is also more traditional Christian and Jewish theology, which had periods of strongly Fatalist and Power focused thinking and not all this new mushy "daddy love" stuff, that people are also trying to nudge Islam into.
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Man of Faith is also not really saying anything very harmful, I have tested him to see how far he takes it and he moderated and did not take the things to extremes when I offered extremes so he is fine, not really very bad, also no one seems to listen to him the way that drfazl has a big following of people and influence.
I do not seek popularity by portraying something the way people want to hear it but because it is God's stance. And I'd never charge a cent for anything that comes out of my mouth or fingers in terms of guidance but my salary is from God.
And I take the Arabic words for their morphological meaning and do not choose a meaning for each occurrence.
I share points with drfazl however, when it comes to not rely so much on physical matter. Some of the teachings are not bad.
That was my message.
Be well
The Foremost Sinner, This!
68.35 Shall We then treat the People of Faith like the People of Sin?Allah is the Best of the judges about one's Faith save the manifest disbeliever who shall dare defy Allah, and who continues judging others' Faith, turning out to be the foremost sinner in the eyes of Allah. And the punishment of Allah upon him is already happening before us. One shall always fall short of beautiful words, thus lowering his own dignity; yet cannot comprehend failing himself. Yet, Allah is still compassionate towards such sinners and asks further, thus:
68.36 What has happened with you? How do you judge?Yet he does not heed to the angry call of Allah; but continues to judging the people, drowning himself further deep in his sin. Allah keeps asking him for proofs from the Book, whether he was authorized to judge the faith of the people; but he is not in the earshot.
68.37 Or have ye a scripture wherein ye learn?He has become deaf in the ear and his heart has hardened; the foremost sinner not to hear anymore admonition from God. But Allah continues to reach the sinner;
68.38 That you have surely therein what you choose?Gone, far away is he! He is the loser both in this world and in the hereafter.
Is the foremost sinner perchance one who says Allah is the Ultimate and sole power, creator of everything absolutely whatsoever? Is the blessed one he who says that Allah is not the creator of everything and the jinn are partners in creation creating what Allah did not create and to reject certain gifts of Allah because Allah in fact did not create them or educate people in them and all this can be yours for the price of 2000USD.
Is the Quran the one that says villains are sent with Fancy words in order to decieve? Yet is one who says Allah is creator of everything the Deceiver or the one who says Allah is not the creator of everything but only some things.
Is it that Allah is angry being called the Ultimate and would prefer that it is stated instead that Allah is not the Ultimate but the Ultimate differs from Allah since Allah is not determiner of all things?
Is it that the Quran told the people Do not discern between the people who is in the right and who is in the wrong, do not Identify wrongdoing or shirk or criminal activity nor use your discernment to catch out the falsehood but swallow every liar who says Allah is not the creator of everything and charges 2000USD for this. Say nothing to them and allow them to continue their holy work of spreading shirk and robbing the poor and telling the ignorant not to fight disease because you are not to identify danger or criminality nor have any laws or take any action to speak out against anything. Yeah, I think I am starting to recall that verse but maybe you could find it for me for a small sum. Allow me to empty my pockets before you.
'ALL IS FROM GOD: The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'
Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.
Let me quote a message from this very thread which answer, I think, your question:
QuoteQuoteQuote from: FreedomStands on August 02, 2015, 12:09:14 PM
That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it,
"That is the very point that has to be made.
Wrong and bad are human measures, (they are not even for animals or stones), not for God. God does not do right and wrong. He is God, He is not going to suffer any consequences of infringring any laws, because he is the law and everything is within His kingdom. He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.
BUT
He tells us He is fair, just, equitable, merciful and ALLPOWERFUL, therefore whatever thing he does to us that we consider bad or wrong, it is in God's power to turn into bliss and glory. We will not be shortchanged. Therefore we cannot say that God wrongs us. We may not approve of it, but we can do nothing about it. But we can accpet his rulings with grace and thank for having an existence. That we could not give to ourselves, therefore, even for us God is even more than the best, He is Everything.
It is us who live in the kindom of right and wrong, bad and good, purity and evil. Those are words for us, not for Him. Those are words for the laws that apply for us, a creation of His. They do not apply to Him.
Huwa Al-lahu ahad,
allahu samad
lam yakid wa lam yulad
wa
lam yakllahu kufwan ahad
Salaam al Quddus
God deceives so that unworthy people commit sin in their delusion, but God did not do sin. This life is a sifting process under harsh conditions.
God is actually not evil minded at all but rather the opposite if you get to know Him, but expects people to be something and have intelligence.
Be well
Quote from: LOGANATHAN on August 06, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
'ALL IS FROM GOD: The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'
Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.
Because your not keeping quiet is also from God. Please think to the end limits. There is no "why", it is as God wills. Including our opposition to one another for example, everything, ALL, not "some". Why is it no one can comprehend "All is from God" that IS the Ayat.
Quote from: LOGANATHAN on August 06, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
'ALL IS FROM GOD: The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'
Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.
To say "God did this BECAUSE" in an Ultimate sense, means "God was driven by some cause" but when you are at the Ultimate level truly, there is no "cause" except God's own free will, to will freely, there are no conditions present to drive God to do this or that, God is beyond all that.
If one says "some things are not from God" that goes against "All is from God" and "God created everything, you and what you make" and many other verses, but more importantly, even if the Qur'an says or seems to say otherwise, it is a matter of having a clear understanding. If the Qur'an said "the Ultimate is not the Ultimate, but God is driven like a slave" are we to just believe it? It would be a lie. This is why a person has to understand first, then their understanding and interpretation choices will be more correct hopefully.
When someone says "All is not really from God" they are saying "God is not the determiner or creator of everything, there are other determiners and creators besides God" not only is this shirk by its usual definition, but the implication in it for one who thinks to the end limits is "If things can freely go this way or that way, or even if there are two choices with strict results but can go either this way or that way and God does not determine what a person does, then the power of "chance" is what God is relying on to determine, and thus "chance" is the Ultimate determiner, and not God"
It is thus simply shifting away from God the title of Ultimate, but the Ultimate will always be there no matter what you call it, but if you make your God lesser than the Ultimate you are worshiping and adoring the wrong thing, only the Ultimate should be called God, and if your God is not by definition or implication the Ultimate, then it is not to me God at all, and should be despised as a false concept lesser than the Ultimate and being worshiped in vain, idolatry, and hypocrisy.
Do you understand?
I've posted many ayats, if ayats are what you want, but you need to understand ayats do not matter at all. Why do I say that? I say that because many people interpret ayats incorrectly, because they do not have a proper reasoning ability or taking things to the end limit in their understandings. Ayats don't matter because if an Ayat SEEMS to say something, it doesn't mean that it is true, like if an ayat SEEMS to say "God doesn't determine everything" then by implications such an interpretation is shirk, and logically false also and linguistically, what is being called God then is not the "Greatest" by definition. Is any of this processing for you?
Ayats can be found here http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0 and here
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947
In the above, drfazl attributes other creators to things and then insists these things are not from God but clearly is saying they are strictly from others than God. This makes him a huge mushrik, even if he doesn't comprehend why. Besides all his shirk, he does many more evil things than that which are exposed gradually throughout the thread, so you may do well to read from that point on-wards.
drfazl denies this in many ways, stating directly that what is being said here is "wrong", such as here:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373120#msg373120
calling the ayats "flooding the page" here:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371963#msg371963
The denial of what I say, even in the smallest micro-measurement, means shirk and logical error, I've narrowed it down explicitly and looked at all the implications, and I do not deny the implications of what I am saying, and can clearly explain why I am saying it, it isn't just for fun, people need to face this and see what their answer is to facing this.
Saying "wrong" is not an answer, because I am only telling people the logical implications of what they are saying, it isn't "wrong". It is like 1+1=2. Only a jerk responds to that "wrong".
Let us see. God is all there is. We are his creatures. As soon as God wills we will never have existed. Or we will have eixsted a second. It is all God, all there is. We are dreams (metaphorically a way of speaking, a say that because somebody sked another time where it was said in the Qur'an that God dreamt) That is. we have no existence by ourselves.
So God says something to us, for us, not for him he does not damned need anything from us and whatever He wants he can get without dropping us a word. But the way He has wanted it is that we know Him. A little. So he tells us about Himself, and about the kind of creatures we are and the destiny he has made for us. It is on those terms, in the terms of our existence as His creatures how he speaks to us.
Man of Faith said: "but God did not do sin"
Of course God did no sin, just as however we become engrossed in deep thought and become very progressive there is no way that mice are going to pass a math exam.
Sin, or whatever word we want to use for guilt, is for us human, neither God nor mice have anything with it. Sin, error, evil, mistake or whatever are terms for us to go through our destiny. They are exclusively human or jinn terms, not for anybody else. It is for us that those terms have meaning. Our accounts have to square as the creatures that we are, not as the creatures that we are not. And to square them God gives us guidance.
God does not owe us anything whatsoever. He made us, not us Him. He can, we cannot. But he tells us about Himself, his beatuful neames, the names of power, frightening, the names of beauty hopeful and apeasing. We have to know which names we are going to invoke Him with, because those are His names and He tells us that He answers and those who have faith and have asked from him and trusted God have not been deceived. We can try it ourselves.
Now, what our friend Freedoms... has been arguing is that God creates everything even our deeds, and that is what the Qur'an says.
So the question it seems that makes people rebel or be doubtful or be shocked, is that how can God then punish those who do wrong things for themselves (it is always for themselves, to God we can do no harm whatsoever, nor frustrate him, he is not a father for that) when He is at the origin of their deeds.
Fine, God creates what he wills. He tells us so. He also tells us that he is equitable, fair, MERCIFUL, FULL OF COMPASSION, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE COMPASSIONATE. That is His name, one of his names. ?Do we petend that we are more compassionate than He is? Surely not. Therefore he is just, equitable compassionate, and tels us time and again that nobody will be shortchanged. If we feel we suffer something unbearable, He will compensate in such a maner that we will not feel shortchanged.
Do we agree that we should suffer even if we will after be compensated generously? Fine. Do we not agree? Too bad for us. God is the owner, he can make us dissapear and never have existed, so. What can we do?: We do not have any problem. Our only problem is to learn to be faithful creatures of God. Subservient, of course.
Were we to be subservient to another human being, we would be cowards without dignity. Being subservient o a Being, the being that is compassionate that loves us such as we are, yes such as we are, because he could choose not to make us, like our fathers who may be wanted someone better than us, but God made us just as we are, indeed, so, if we return a bit of faithfullness in this life for a life that is going to be rewarding beyond belief to a Being that loves us, there is no indignity in it, but truthfulness. Being what he made of us is being the subject of his will, of His love.
If any human being met a lover that could be so generous, so truthful, so beatiful, we would be delighted- Of course, such a lover doesn't fall for a coward or a lazy one who won'tbattle his o her life... If such a lover loves one really indeed what he or she will do with us is not leave us in peace till we grow to our true measure of full human an courageous being...
Well something like that
That is the end of the story, God make make our life difficult but will be the most generous director we could dream of having. And finally everything's destiny is to return to Him, to subsume in His consciousness. Glory.
Salaam
Quote from: huruf on August 06, 2015, 02:48:27 PM
Let us see. God is all there is. We are his creatures. As soon as God wills we will never have existed. Or we will have eixsted a second. It is all God, all there is. We are dreams (metaphorically a way of speaking, a say that because somebody sked another time where it was said in the Qur'an that God dreamt) That is. we have no existence by ourselves.
So God says something to us, for us, not for him he does not damned need anything from us and whatever He wants he can get without dropping us a word. But the way He has wanted it is that we know Him. A little. So he tells us about Himself, and about the kind of creatures we are and the destiny he has made for us. It is on those terms, in the terms of our existence as His creatures how he speaks to us.
Man of Faith said: "but God did not do sin"
Of course God did no sin, just as however we become engrossed in deep thought and become very progressive there is no way that mice are going to pass a math exam.
Sin, or whatever word we want to use for guilt, is for us human, neither God nor mice have anything with it. Sin, error, evil, mistake or whatever are terms for us to go through our destiny. They are exclusively human or jinn terms, not for anybody else. It is for us that those terms have meaning. Our accounts have to square as the creatures that we are, not as the creatures that we are not. And to square them God gives us guidance.
God does not owe us anything whatsoever. He made us, not us Him. He can, we cannot. But he tells us about Himself, his beatuful neames, the names of power, frightening, the names of beauty hopeful and apeasing. We have to know which names we are going to invoke Him with, because those are His names and He tells us that He answers and those who have faith and have asked from him and trusted God have not been deceived. We can try it ourselves.
Now, what our friend Freedoms... has been arguing is that God creates everything even our deeds, and that is what the Qur'an says.
So the question it seems that makes people rebel or be doubtful or be shocked, is that how can God then punish those who do wrong things for themselves (it is always for themselves, to God we can do no harm whatsoever, nor frustrate him, he is not a father for that) when He is at the origin of their deeds.
Fine, God creates what he wills. He tells us so. He also tells us that he is equitable, fair, MERCIFUL, FULL OF COMPASSION, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE COMPASSIONATE. That is His name, one of his names. ?Do we petend that we are more compassionate than He is? Surely not. Therefore he is just, equitable compassionate, and tels us time and again that nobody will be shortchanged. If we feel we suffer something unbearable, He will compensate in such a maner that we will not feel shortchanged.
Do we agree that we should suffer even if we will after be compensated generously? Fine. Do we not agree? Too bad for us. God is the owner, he can make us dissapear and never have existed, so. What can we do?: We do not have any problem. Our only problem is to learn to be faithful creatures of God. Subservient, of course.
Were we to be subservient to another human being, we would be cowards without dignity. Being subservient o a Being, the being that is compassionate that loves us such as we are, yes such as we are, because he could choose not to make us, like our fathers who may be wanted someone better than us, but God made us just as we are, indeed, so, if we return a bit of faithfullness in this life for a life that is going to be rewarding beyond belief to a Being that loves us, there is no indignity in it, but truthfulness. Being what he made of us is being the subject of his will, of His love.
If any human being met a lover that could be so generous, so truthful, so beatiful, we would be delighted- Of course, such a lover doesn't fall for a coward or a lazy one who won'tbattle his o her life... If such a lover loves one really indeed what he or she will do with us is not leave us in peace till we grow to our true measure of full human an courageous being...
Well something like that
That is the end of the story, God make make our life difficult but will be the most generous director we could dream of having. And finally everything's destiny is to return to Him, to subsume in His consciousness. Glory.
Salaam
Look at that! Beautiful! If anyone wants to see what beauty looks like, it looks like that!
Quote from: huruf on August 06, 2015, 02:48:27 PM
Let us see.
What you performed is what I call "birdsong" it does not matter if they heed it at all, you became a vessel of the song of God, and performed a beautiful act of praise and worship. For this, you may be rewarded, and it is God who chose you for it and chose your words too.
It means nothing at all if they heed you or not, that would just be a pleasure and a relief for us possibly if they listened, but even if they don't the merit is in what you do and what you did. You spoke out, you fought for what is right, and you glorified Allah.
The glorification of Allah is speaking the absolute truth, which IS Allah, who can transform anything, so we look to the Eternal Ultimate as the one and only Truth.
No matter how old and tired you may be, speaking right and good is an honor to you and makes you a Valkyrie and a Princess, a noble one. The liars are disgraced, even if they appear wealthy and "blessed" with children and happy lives.
You represented your King, as a viceroy, speaking on behalf of the Government of God. These criminals do not do justice, Allah has demonstrated who the mutinous ones are. We speak on behalf of the Government of God, it is not a matter of liking it or disliking it, its a matter of facing the facts. We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth.
I urged huruf to speak up and speak out and she has done an AWESOME job. If she continues, she should know its an act for herself, and though we may all benefit from heeding what she says, even if none of us do, she has done a glorious thing for herself and will hopefully feel the joy even in reviewing her own praise.
Somehow, for True Muslims, the reading and re-reading of Truths regarding the Ultimate bring Peace and Relief to the heart, whereas Shirk brings happiness to the others, when they join with Allah by implication themselves, or other conceptual determiners or factors.
This is the distinction made between people like huruf and myself and you all.
Notice the difference of what you guys love saying and what we love saying. We are like two different creatures, two difference species. One is said to go to hell, the other to paradise, we'll see which is which, we may all end up in hell together, or paradise, and whatever is done is done only by Allah however it is done, the ONLY determining factor.
All my posts here and tireless work is mostly the praise of God, you can all defy it and it doesn't even matter, the sin is heaped on you, and if I am blamed for saying The Ultimate is the Ultimate, there is no other power but the Ultimate (the very CREED of Islam), then what can I do about it? I say it because it is True, it is logic, it is fact. Shall I lie instead by speaking what is not true just because it seems pleasant and I spare God from the implication of being responsible and in control of everything? That is like saying "oh, don't say the inventor invented it because he is ashamed of his invention and gets offended when people expose him" haha, shut up? You people are jokes to me.
What you would be best served doing on this website, is doing what I am doing, and what huruf did a little, reciting the Truth regarding the Only Truth. You think you are doing that, but you are not accounting for the implications of your statements, because you lack right brains. In other words, because you're dumb people.
There are not "many truths" in this regard, there is only ONE TRUTH, ONE RELIGION, and it Islam. It is present in the Hindu books, the Bible, and elsewhere, the same message repeatedly, and only one who ALREADY UNDERSTANDS can find what is right and discern what is wrong.
Song playing right now is Thumbhang by Anvil.
My God, Freedom, those are generous words you are saying about me. It makes it worthwhile to write the stuff. Hehe, like I was in Per? recently and a lady in the street I asked for directions when saying good bye to me she said. "Adios, mamacita linda" (Bye bye dear little beautiful mother). So now, I know, whenever I feel in low spirits I come to Per? on one side and on the other I write in free minds and get a real shot of high spirits.
Thak you.
Now, quoting a little:
"We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth."
Indeed: slaves, but not anybody's slaves. Slaves of the most loving, most generous, mos magnificent Lover, the one that wanted us just the way we are and who is capable of improving us without limit.
Subhanallah
Salaam
Quote from: huruf on August 06, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
My God, Freedom, those are generous words you are saying about me. It makes it worthwhile to write the stuff. Hehe, like I was in Per? recently and a lady in the street I asked for directions when saying good bye to me she said. "Adios, mamacita linda" (Bye bye dear little beautiful mother). So now, I know, whenever I feel in low spirits I come to Per? on one side and on the other I write in free minds and get a real shot of high spirits.
Thak you.
Now, quoting a little:
"We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth."
Indeed: slaves, but not anybody's slaves. Slaves of the most loving, most generous, mos magnificent Lover, the one that wanted us just the way we are and who is capable of improving us without limit.
Subhanallah
Salaam
Very true! I can't deny it! I'm really so happy you liked the compliments! It is always right to praise what is best!
The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.
So, is it your fish in colours who creates your things in you or you are a creator yourself or things create themselves by themselves?
You make too much theater with so much shock but in fact you are not bringing up any solid explanation for the questions that have been raised.
Getting shocked and acting horrified is no substitute for explanations nor for making sense.
Who creats evil? or is it uncreated? Or evil exist by itself since ever? Or did Iblees create by himself?
Another show of shockedness might not be felt as sufficient answer by those who indeed want to have an answer along the line you seem to believe is the correct one.
Salaam
9:103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
What is a charity from money?
2:219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much they are to give, say: ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.
USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.
Quote from: drfazl on August 06, 2015, 09:55:32 PM
The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.
Quote from: drfazl on August 06, 2015, 09:55:32 PM
The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.
Ah, then it appears we have identified the foremost sinner!
The Qur'an!
57:22
No
evil befalls on the earth
nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before
We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah:
37:96
when it is God who has created you and
all your handiwork?
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and I create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Lamentations 3:38
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?
"atharva veda puts it very clearly,
"na dvitIyo na tR^itIyashchaturtho nApyuchyate
na pa.nchamo na ShaShThaH saptamo nApyuchyate
nAShTamo na navamo dashamo nApyuchyate
ya etaM devamekavR^itaM veda"
There is none second to It, neither third not even fourth.
There is none fifth to It, neither sixth not even seventh.
There is none eighth to It, neither ninth not even tenth.
It is the only Supreme. This is to be known."
https://books.google.ca/books?id=ys9UXe2Qx14C&pg=PT135&lpg=PT135&dq=Bhagavad+Gita+All+things+come+from+God&source=bl&ots=obVKHwGEGz&sig=Zv-sbo_ZIUETETfUc-H2uIjDQq8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBmoVChMIo6GUn6iWxwIVxlyICh0bAQ6T#v=onepage&q=Bhagavad%20Gita%20All%20things%20come%20from%20God&f=false
"The idea of three bodies should not mislead us into thinking that there are three different entities. Dharmakaya and Sambhogakaya do not refer to entities so much as existential states of being, and only the Nirmanakaya body is created anew in physical form. Actually the three kayas are two bodies--the formless body and the body of form. Both the Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya are normally called the form bodies of the Buddha, while Dharmakaya is formless.
Dharmakaya is basically the embodiment of what is called twofold purity. In its primordial purity, Dharmakaya is completely empty and open"
"However, the three kayas are not completely independent of each other. They are always interrelated, and when they unfold fully, they are inseparable from each other. The Nirmanakaya and the Sambhogakaya basically manifest out of Dharmakaya; in other words, both of the form aspects of the Buddha's being are dependent on the formless body. The Dharmakaya is the origin or field on which the other two are grounded."
"When we call the Sambhogakaya a "form body," we do not mean physical form but instead form in the sense of manifesting and being determinate, as opposed to Dharmakaya, which is formless because it is not determinate. The Sambhogakaya is determinate because, although it is not physical, it does manifest in varieties of ways. If Sambhogakaya is fully realized, then one can receive different teachings and meanings from many natural sources, such as sound, sight, and so on.
Sambhogakaya in turn gives rise to Nirmanakaya, which is realized through the physical body, and embodies both the Sambhogakaya and the Dharmakaya aspects. Nirmanakaya is physical in its essence and is historically situated, so that when we talk about Buddha Shakyamuni attaining enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, giving teachings in Varanasi, and eventually attaining paranirvana in Kushinagar, we are describing his Nirmanakaya aspect.
*
Because the Buddha's Sambhogakaya and Dharmakaya aspects are not historically situated, we cannot attribute any kind of temporality to them. The Sambhogakaya teachings are not a personal matter, and in some sense they cannot even be said to be Buddhist. The Sambhogakaya has embodied its meanings right from the beginning, before the time of the Buddha. It embodies them now, and it will embody them again in the future, for the auspicious coincidence of time is never ceasing.
The iconographical figure of the Vajradhara in thangkas and elsewhere symbolizes the Sambhogakaya aspect in its primordial sense. Vajradhara means "holder of the vajra scepter," and the vajra signifies the perennial truthfulness of reality that is not subjected to change and that does not need to be updated. Like the vajra, truth cannot be relativized and made into something that is conditional. It is a reality that is perennially true. As the symbol of Sambhogakaya, Vajradhara is an ahistorical phenomenon and is perceptible only to people with extraordinarily lucid and perceptive minds."
51:49
And in everything have We created opposites, so that you might bear in mind
113:2
"from the
evil that
He has created,
6:101
The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when
He created everything whatsoever and is Aware of all things?
67:14
How could it be that He who has created [all] should not know [all]? Yea, He alone is unfathomable, aware!
25:2
He to whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom.
He created everything and determined it most exactly.25:3 But they have adopted powers
apart from Him which do not create anything but are themselves created. They have no power to do evil or good themselves. They have no power over death or life or resurrection.
18:7
Truly, We determined whatever is in and on the earth as adornment for it so that We prove/make manifest with it as to which of them is best in action.
2:29
He it is who has created for you all that is on earth, and has applied His design to the heavens and fashioned them into seven heavens; and He alone has full knowledge of everything.
37:9
while God created you and what you do?
28:68
And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Not they have for them the choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him as other creators and choosers).
3:154
Then, after this woe, He sent down upon you a sense of security, an inner calm which enfolded some of you, whereas the others, who cared mainly for themselves, entertained wrong thoughts about God - thoughts of pagan ignorance - saying, "Did we, then, have any power of decision?" Say: "Verily, all power of decision does rest with God" - [but as for them,] they are trying to conceal within themselves that [weakness of faith] which they would not reveal unto thee, [O Prophet, by] saying, "If we had any power of decision, we would not have left so many dead behind." Say [unto them]: "Even if you had remained in your homes, those [of you] whose death had been ordained would indeed have gone forth to the places where they were destined to lie down." And [all this befell you] so that God might prove/make manifest all that you harbour in your bosoms, and render your innermost hearts pure of all dross: for God is aware of what is in the hearts [of men].
2:255
God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the Universe and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He determines? He knoweth what (app eareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is t he Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
7:188
Say, "I have no power for myself (to) good/benefit and no (power to) evil/harm, except what Allah wills. And if I would know (of) the unseen surely I could have multiplied of the good and not (could) have touched me the evil. I am not except a warner and a bearer of good tidings to a people who believe."
21:35
Every soul must taste of death, and We prove you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned.
77:23
For We determine; and We are the best to determine
73:7 whereas by day a long chain of doings is thy portion.
73:8 But [whether by night or by day,] remember thy Sustainer's name, and devote thyself unto Him with utter devotion.
73:9 The Sustainer of the east and the west [is He]: there is no power save Him: hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
73:10 and endure with patience whatever people may say [against thee], and avoid them with a comely avoidance.
73:11 And leave Me alone [to deal] with those who give the lie to the truth - those who enjoy the blessings of life - and bear thou with them for a little while:
39:62
GOD is the Creator of all things, and He alone has the power to determine the fate of all things.
87:3
and who determines the nature [of all that exists], and thereupon guides it [towards its fulfilment],
17:2
And [thus, too,] We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses, and made it a [source of] guidance for the children of Israel, [commanding them:] "Do not ascribe to any but Me the power to determine your fate,
73:9
The Sustainer of the east and the west [is He]: there is no power save Him: hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
39:62
God is the Creator of all things, He has charge of everything;
54:42
they, too, gave the lie to all Our messages: and thereupon We took them to task as only the Almighty, who determines all things, can take to task.
76:30
And not you will except what wills Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.
81:29
And you do not even will anything except whatever wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.
34:11
Saying: Make thou long coats of mail and measure the links (thereof). And do ye right. Lo! I am Seer of what ye do.
55:24
And His are the lofty ships that sail like [floating] mountains through the seas.
17:66
YOUR SUSTAINER is He who causes ships to move onward for you through the sea, so that you might go about in quest of some of His bounty: verily, a dispenser of grace is He unto you.
51:58
Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might.
10:107
If Allah afflicteth thee with some evil, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his slaves. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
33:17
Say: Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth evil for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah.
22:73
O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!
22:74
No true understanding of God have they [who err in this way]: for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty!
37:102
Then when he reached the (age of) working with him he said, "O my son! Indeed, I have seen in the dream that I am sacrificing you, so look what you see." He said, "O my father! Do what you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the patient ones.
42:24
DO THEY, perchance, say, ?He has attributed his own lying inventions to God?? But then, had God so willed, He could have sealed thy heart [forever]: for God blots out all falsehood, and by His words proves the truth to be true. Verily, He has full knowledge of what is in the hearts [of men];
18:23
And (do) not say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow."
Except, "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget and say, "Perhaps [that] will guide me my Lord to a nearer (way) than this right way."
GET IT? NOT YET?
28:56
Indeed, you (can) not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He (is) most knowing (of) the guided ones.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 07, 2015, 03:33:28 AM
Ah, then it appears we have identified the foremost sinner!
The Qur'an!
57:22
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah:
37:96
when it is God who has created you and all your handiwork?
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and I create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Lamentations 3:38
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?
"atharva veda puts it very clearly,
"na dvitIyo na tR^itIyashchaturtho nApyuchyate
na pa.nchamo na ShaShThaH saptamo nApyuchyate
nAShTamo na navamo dashamo nApyuchyate
ya etaM devamekavR^itaM veda"
There is none second to It, neither third not even fourth.
There is none fifth to It, neither sixth not even seventh.
There is none eighth to It, neither ninth not even tenth.
It is the only Supreme. This is to be known."
https://books.google.ca/books?id=ys9UXe2Qx14C&pg=PT135&lpg=PT135&dq=Bhagavad+Gita+All+things+come+from+God&source=bl&ots=obVKHwGEGz&sig=Zv-sbo_ZIUETETfUc-H2uIjDQq8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBmoVChMIo6GUn6iWxwIVxlyICh0bAQ6T#v=onepage&q=Bhagavad%20Gita%20All%20things%20come%20from%20God&f=false
"The idea of three bodies should not mislead us into thinking that there are three different entities. Dharmakaya and Sambhogakaya do not refer to entities so much as existential states of being, and only the Nirmanakaya body is created anew in physical form. Actually the three kayas are two bodies--the formless body and the body of form. Both the Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya are normally called the form bodies of the Buddha, while Dharmakaya is formless.
Dharmakaya is basically the embodiment of what is called twofold purity. In its primordial purity, Dharmakaya is completely empty and open"
"However, the three kayas are not completely independent of each other. They are always interrelated, and when they unfold fully, they are inseparable from each other. The Nirmanakaya and the Sambhogakaya basically manifest out of Dharmakaya; in other words, both of the form aspects of the Buddha's being are dependent on the formless body. The Dharmakaya is the origin or field on which the other two are grounded."
"When we call the Sambhogakaya a "form body," we do not mean physical form but instead form in the sense of manifesting and being determinate, as opposed to Dharmakaya, which is formless because it is not determinate. The Sambhogakaya is determinate because, although it is not physical, it does manifest in varieties of ways. If Sambhogakaya is fully realized, then one can receive different teachings and meanings from many natural sources, such as sound, sight, and so on.
Sambhogakaya in turn gives rise to Nirmanakaya, which is realized through the physical body, and embodies both the Sambhogakaya and the Dharmakaya aspects. Nirmanakaya is physical in its essence and is historically situated, so that when we talk about Buddha Shakyamuni attaining enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, giving teachings in Varanasi, and eventually attaining paranirvana in Kushinagar, we are describing his Nirmanakaya aspect.
*
Because the Buddha's Sambhogakaya and Dharmakaya aspects are not historically situated, we cannot attribute any kind of temporality to them. The Sambhogakaya teachings are not a personal matter, and in some sense they cannot even be said to be Buddhist. The Sambhogakaya has embodied its meanings right from the beginning, before the time of the Buddha. It embodies them now, and it will embody them again in the future, for the auspicious coincidence of time is never ceasing.
The iconographical figure of the Vajradhara in thangkas and elsewhere symbolizes the Sambhogakaya aspect in its primordial sense. Vajradhara means "holder of the vajra scepter," and the vajra signifies the perennial truthfulness of reality that is not subjected to change and that does not need to be updated. Like the vajra, truth cannot be relativized and made into something that is conditional. It is a reality that is perennially true. As the symbol of Sambhogakaya, Vajradhara is an ahistorical phenomenon and is perceptible only to people with extraordinarily lucid and perceptive minds."
51:49
And in everything have We created opposites, so that you might bear in mind
113:2
"from the evil that He has created,
6:101
The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created everything whatsoever and is Aware of all things?
67:14
How could it be that He who has created [all] should not know [all]? Yea, He alone is unfathomable, aware!
25:2
He to whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most exactly.
25:3 But they have adopted powers apart from Him which do not create anything but are themselves created. They have no power to do evil or good themselves. They have no power over death or life or resurrection.
18:7
Truly, We determined whatever is in and on the earth as adornment for it so that We prove/make manifest with it as to which of them is best in action.
2:29
He it is who has created for you all that is on earth, and has applied His design to the heavens and fashioned them into seven heavens; and He alone has full knowledge of everything.
37:9
while God created you and what you do?
28:68
And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Not they have for them the choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him as other creators and choosers).
3:154
Then, after this woe, He sent down upon you a sense of security, an inner calm which enfolded some of you, whereas the others, who cared mainly for themselves, entertained wrong thoughts about God - thoughts of pagan ignorance - saying, "Did we, then, have any power of decision?" Say: "Verily, all power of decision does rest with God" - [but as for them,] they are trying to conceal within themselves that [weakness of faith] which they would not reveal unto thee, [O Prophet, by] saying, "If we had any power of decision, we would not have left so many dead behind." Say [unto them]: "Even if you had remained in your homes, those [of you] whose death had been ordained would indeed have gone forth to the places where they were destined to lie down." And [all this befell you] so that God might prove/make manifest all that you harbour in your bosoms, and render your innermost hearts pure of all dross: for God is aware of what is in the hearts [of men].
2:255
God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the Universe and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He determines? He knoweth what (app eareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is t he Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
7:188
Say, "I have no power for myself (to) good/benefit and no (power to) evil/harm, except what Allah wills. And if I would know (of) the unseen surely I could have multiplied of the good and not (could) have touched me the evil. I am not except a warner and a bearer of good tidings to a people who believe."
21:35
Every soul must taste of death, and We prove you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned.
77:23
For We determine; and We are the best to determine
73:7 whereas by day a long chain of doings is thy portion.
73:8 But [whether by night or by day,] remember thy Sustainer's name, and devote thyself unto Him with utter devotion.
73:9 The Sustainer of the east and the west [is He]: there is no power save Him: hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
73:10 and endure with patience whatever people may say [against thee], and avoid them with a comely avoidance.
73:11 And leave Me alone [to deal] with those who give the lie to the truth - those who enjoy the blessings of life - and bear thou with them for a little while:
39:62
GOD is the Creator of all things, and He alone has the power to determine the fate of all things.
87:3
and who determines the nature [of all that exists], and thereupon guides it [towards its fulfilment],
17:2
And [thus, too,] We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses, and made it a [source of] guidance for the children of Israel, [commanding them:] "Do not ascribe to any but Me the power to determine your fate,
73:9
The Sustainer of the east and the west [is He]: there is no power save Him: hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
39:62
God is the Creator of all things, He has charge of everything;
54:42
they, too, gave the lie to all Our messages: and thereupon We took them to task as only the Almighty, who determines all things, can take to task.
76:30
And not you will except what wills Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.
81:29
And you do not even will anything except whatever wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.
34:11
Saying: Make thou long coats of mail and measure the links (thereof). And do ye right. Lo! I am Seer of what ye do.
55:24
And His are the lofty ships that sail like [floating] mountains through the seas.
17:66
YOUR SUSTAINER is He who causes ships to move onward for you through the sea, so that you might go about in quest of some of His bounty: verily, a dispenser of grace is He unto you.
51:58
Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might.
10:107
If Allah afflicteth thee with some evil, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his slaves. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
33:17
Say: Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth evil for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah.
22:73
O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!
22:74
No true understanding of God have they [who err in this way]: for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty!
37:102
Then when he reached the (age of) working with him he said, "O my son! Indeed, I have seen in the dream that I am sacrificing you, so look what you see." He said, "O my father! Do what you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the patient ones.
42:24
DO THEY, perchance, say, ?He has attributed his own lying inventions to God?? But then, had God so willed, He could have sealed thy heart [forever]: for God blots out all falsehood, and by His words proves the truth to be true. Verily, He has full knowledge of what is in the hearts [of men];
18:23
And (do) not say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow."
Except, "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget and say, "Perhaps [that] will guide me my Lord to a nearer (way) than this right way."
GET IT? NOT YET?
28:56
Indeed, you (can) not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He (is) most knowing (of) the guided ones.
Now that you have identified the foremost sinner, how much shall we all pay you? 2000USD each?
Quote from: A.W on August 06, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
9:103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
if this verse do not fit in any context other than this is as good as nullified.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 06, 2015, 05:24:57 AM
Yeah, remember how when people are ganging up on me or saying something I am saying is bad, without explanation, you take the opportunity to join up and try to kick me at that time saying "I am glad you said this" and stuff like that, its just a bad habit a little bit, I was bringing it up for that reason because many people are like that.
Take the opportunity?!? :elektro: Could you clean your mind?
If people say/do things which I think is good, then of course it could make me feel glad.
I'm not really good at English (I'm not excel in language subject), I think that compare to you and the other members, it could need more (or much more) time for me to prepare my post, to arrange words, to make sentences, to correct them, so if there are other people who already told you or gave you advice about something right, then of course that's something nice for me (it could ease my burden, I guess).
If people reminding each other to follow/do the right thing (do you know about "
amar ma'ruf nahi munkar"? - I like it), that is something which usually makes me happy/glad.
Even though I myself cannot always do that (amar ma'ruf nahi munkar), but actually, I don't like apathy, I think it is not right if we just ignore wickedness/deceits/injustice (evil things) in front of us.
I think silence is not always golden.
Not only you A.W, but anyone with inner sense shall know none can afford that money; cannot even imagine to pay that amount even if they are rich; and I cannot rob them of their money; and I cannot force them to pay; and I cannot even bargain money in exchange for the cure; but I have to deliver to the patients the Sign of Cure and prove to them that Allah is true to His Promise to them, Who says, "It is Ok, you will be alright, if only you believe Me and Me alone, without shirk of medicines", when I have that wisdom and proof. I think now you will know whether I can get the money at all from these patients - but my duty is to deliver.
It is not at all difficult for one to comprehend if they are believers in the ayats of Allah, that Allah expands the provisions to whom He will; and straitens to whom He will.
13.26 Allah expands His provisions for whom He wills and restricts them to whom He will. And they rejoice in the worldly life, while the worldly life is not, compared to the Hereafter, except brief enjoyment.
A.W I am willing to talk to you, the essence of the ayats, so that Allah amplifies you with His Bounties - provided you do not join hands with the sinners, who can never understand nor touch even the Quran 56/79.
Quote from: A.W on August 06, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
9:103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
What is a charity from money?
2:219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much they are to give, say: ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.
USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.
Finally something good from you. Come a little closer even, and you'll be a knight just like me. Perhaps Allah intends that you are purified of the last remnants of your shirk soon. I am not wrong in a single drop of what I am saying, and you will either conform or you will be a performer of shirk, it is just a matter of of 1+1=2, it has nothing to do with insulting Allah or Justice or anything like that.
Allah simply is the Ultimate, holding charge and sway over every action. The bowing of the heads, the getting up, the sleeping, the places we walk, the insects we deliberately or accidentally step on and the thoughts involved, our fully experience, ALL that is created and determined by Allah, and Allah chooses and Allah determines and Allah is the only one there is doing anything at all, and this is NOT a misunderstanding at all, and you will be on the wrong side of the fence until you agree wholeheartedly with it even if it sounds distasteful to you.
This will prove if you're a truly humble one or not. Arrogance is not in a boisterous comic knight, arrogance is in shirk and claiming YOU will, YOU decide, YOU determine if it goes this way or that way, which path you take, what you will do. You do not choose ANYTHING. That doesn't mean that you do not perceive an impression of choice and decisions occur and thought processes, all which are Allah creating and giving you those thoughts and their sequence and determining which you follow.
It isn't left up to you or "chance" at all, Allah is the only "Chance" we have. It isn't "I can choose this path, or I can choose that path, and if I choose this path then I determine the insect is crushed today rather than not". Do you understand? If you deny this, then you are still on the wrong side of the fence, no matter how noble you are, all your deeds will be wasted according to the Qur'an.
So you either conform exactly to what I am saying, in all humility, or you continue to deny it and hold on dearly to your candle which only gives you a little light into the nature of things.
I'm selling you illumination, the price isn't 2000USD but absolutely free, as Allah wills.
Allah is offering you the truth, will you keep slapping it away?
Allah alone is the determiner of all things, the Ultimate, you are in a state of surrender willingly or unwillingly, you have no choice, nor can you save yourself, nor can you choose good or evil, but it will appear to you if ALLAH WILLS that you are choosing, and that is all part of Allah's creating and determining, you do not have an existence, you are NOTHING but what Allah SAYS you are. Do you understand?
If you say you choose, you are saying "it can go this way or that way, I decide truly, Allah leaves it to me" and what that translates to is "it is up to Chance to decide if I do this or that".
Say "I am giving up my prior statements of shirk, I surrender to what FreedomStands is saying, he is truly correct and right in this, Allah is indeed the determiner of all things, creator of every motion and experience absolutely, the performer of all actions, the power behind all things, there is no power but Allah, there is no will but the will of Allah, there is no religion but the Surrender. I surrender, I surrender, I surrender. FreedomStands is now my brother truly, he spoke the truth by the will of Allah and helped me albeit incessantly and to my annoyance, in understanding the true nature of Allah. Allah does not "leave it up to us to choose, having created paths we determine which we walk on and the results are pre-calculated, I was so wrong, in fact the truth is Allah creates all that we say, do, think, and choose, and how we choose it is by Allah too, All is from God, God created all things whatsoever be they thoughts or deeds or the actions or choices and exactly what we will is chosen by Allah. I hope Allah keeps me on this straight way, as his devotee and a knight of the Eternal Truth".
The curse of Allah be upon you otherwise. It is "do or die". Will the sword of Truth knight you, or cut off your arms?
61.2 O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do?
Allah warns and stops those who explain of Quran When he does not have a grant of proof from Allah, for whatever he says. You can find here the pages are flooded with ayats with no proof or explanation with the proof. Such are the most hated ones in the sight of Allah.
61.3 It is most hateful in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do not.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 03:49:19 AM
Take the opportunity?!? :elektro: Could you clean your mind?
If people say/do things which I think is good, then of course it could make me feel glad.
I'm not really good at English (I'm not excel in language subject), I think that compare to you and the other members, it could need more (or much more) time for me to prepare my post, to arrange words, to make sentences, to correct them, so if there are other people who already told you or gave you advice about something right, then of course that's something nice for me (it could ease my burden, I guess).
If people reminding each other to follow/do the right thing (do you know about "amar ma'ruf nahi munkar"? - I like it), that is something which usually makes me happy/glad.
Even though I myself cannot always do that (amar ma'ruf nahi munkar), but actually, I don't like apathy, I think it is not right if we just ignore wickedness/deceits/injustice (evil things) in front of us.
I think silence is not always golden.
I agree totally with that.
I was just saying it appeared (maybe it is an English language issue) that when people would come and say to me, even jokingly like good logic did that I'm doing something wrong (he was kidding really), you would come along after and say stuff which translates to "yeah! you tell em!".
This happened multiple times, and it seemed to be a ganging up type mentality, especially considering that I am not saying anything wrong at all, even if my methods are controversial, opposing me is opposing the message that God is absolutely Ultimate, and because I hold on to that, I can not be wrong and anyone who says "yeah! you tell em! tell em he is wrong and bad! kick him! yeah!" is joining the side of evil. It may be that my English is such that it seems that I am saying wrong things, but the simplification of what I am typing is simply: Allah is the Ultimate, creator, controller, determiner of all things whatsoever, there is no power other than Allah, no creator of anything other than Allah who even makes whatever we think we make or invent, and none who control anything but Allah, nor determine anything but Allah.
You can't find a "cleaner mind" than that.
The flat earth issue isn't important, but this is important. You either completely agree and completely conform to what I am saying absolutely (as you grow to understand it more) or you are performing shirk. There are no two ways about it.
I am saying 1+1=2. You can't just say "no" to that without being a liar and a miscreant proven.
Now if you say "Allah does not determine or choose all things" it is not dissimilar from the Hadith lovers who say idiotic things like "Allah does not look in bathrooms, is not present everywhere" out of their sense of piety, while they are performing a major sin by doing that because they are saying "Allah does not have all knowledge, is not encompassing all experience/information".
When you say (and I am not saying you have said this, but you may, like others, have flirted with this erroneous thought) "Allah does not determine or choose everything" you are saying "the people choose, Allah does not determine all things, but the people determine some things" and what that translates to is "it can go this way or that way" and what that translates to is "it is left up to the power known as "Chance", "Chance" actually determines, and Allah looks to Chance to see what Chance determines.
This is simple linguistics and mathematics, it has nothing to do with piety of saying "How can I say Allah determines injustice be done", that is where the focus confuses people, because indeed Allah determines everything and creates everything, this is regardless of what the Qur'an ever seems to say, even though it says it too like all the scriptures tend to say, but I say "regardless" because it is the truth before all those books, it can never be otherwise at all because it is essential truth, meaning it is always "If one says God doesn't determine, they are saying it is determined not by God but another determiner", do you see? This is not a matter of lies, its a matter of proper language use and understanding the linguistic implications.
So you either completely conform or you are literally performing shirk.
I am not kidding and I am not wrong, nor am I "inventing a lie concerning Allah" I am merely speaking the MATH of it.
You can it say "Allah is Ultimate, creator and determiner of EVERYTHING WHATSOEVER" while also saying "Allah depends on other powers and actors and determiners, does not determine everything, did not create everything whatsoever, but only some things, or the initial things, then the rest are other lesser creators or makers, or the base materials are from God but not the acts or experiences or realities, or we choose them and so decide what God does" it is breaking all the definitions, it is going against itself, it is going against everything.
In the matter of the "flat earth" simply say "I do not know anything much, whether the Earth is flat or not is not very important, Allah can certainly make it that the Earth appears flat, and can make it that the Earth appears round, Allah knows, I do not know, and Allah is not bound to anything, but whatever is bound to be is by Allah alone".
That is the right way to say it.
Again, if you take this as arrogance and not help, and you deny it, it is the lack of humility in oneself to fail to heed the following statements "Allah alone is the Ultimate, creator of everything absolutely, the good, the bad, and the ugly, precisely as it is, nothing happens except as Allah wills, chooses, and determines".
I am not wrong in any of this. The answer to everything I say is "I surrender to Allah, I pray to Allah that I come to what is right and stay with what is right, I surrender to the truth that Allah is the chooser, the determiner, the will, the cause, the performer, the sole sovereign and the singular power of which there is no power either greater or even lesser, but we are all powerless absolutely and equal in powerlessness before Allah who is the sole power".
Nothing at all is wrong in that statement.
"I pray that Allah wills that I do good in this life, and receive good in this life and the afterlife". Nothing is wrong in that statement either. "If Allah does not will it, I will never achieve anything good whatsoever since I have no power whatsoever to even will or attain to good or decide on good or know what is good except as Allah wills".
This is correct thinking. Conform to it or fail. Don't say "Allah save me from what you are saying" because that is just ignorance and saying "keep me in the dark!"
Every single one of you will either conform to this or will fail, it is simple math.
Allah is proving who the Muslims are on this website and who the kaffirs are. It is simply a matter of a chemical being introduced into the water and the colors changing and showing, some green, some red.
It is all being made manifest, and then on Judgment day you will be shown about this perhaps and it may be explained to you what you were created to be, a kaffir, hypocrite, mushrik, jahil, or Muslim or what. Then Allah will place you where Allah wills, you have no choice in the matter, just like you never chose where or how you were born, what your livelihood was, what you drew, where you stepped, or anything else, even though of course included in everything is the impression of you thinking and deciding, and Allah creates whatever Allah wills, and does so free from being DRIVEN by anything because there is nothing to DRIVE Allah. Allah is SELF DRIVEN, SELF SUFFICIENT, not CAUSED to do anything, but the CAUSE of everything.
Correct your beliefs and conform 100%, I am not misguiding you. You can never go wrong saying "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no power except Allah" including ALL the implications that go with that, as compared to the implications that arise from saying "Allah did not create ALL things or determine ALL actions and choices".
The same goes for all of you. Every single one of you.
You are either on the straight path, or you are not, there are not "many paths" in this case, there is only THIS, what I am saying, which is the first step and basis of the right path and understanding Surrender.
If you divert from it even .00000000001 percent in understanding, you will be consequently implying SHIRK, and the Qur'an says basically your deeds will all be in vain, you will not be forgiven if you die like that, so it is imperative for your sake that you conform. Of course, you will NEVER conform except as Allah wills, and if you do not conform, it may be that the curse of Allah is upon you and you are destined for destruction, and Allah does as Allah wills, there is no one and nothing that can save you, not even yourself.
Does this sound bad to you? Will you formulate some opposition? Will you flee? or will you be my sister and a fellow fighter in the cause of Allah? You too are being offered the Knighthood.
Quote from: drfazl on August 07, 2015, 04:12:39 AM
61.2 O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do?
Allah warns and stops those who explain of Quran When he does not have a grant of proof from Allah, for whatever he says. You can find here the pages are flooded with ayats with no proof or explanation with the proof. Such are the most hated ones in the sight of Allah.
61.3 It is most hateful in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do not.
Ah, I guess then that it was good that you said you rob the poor by taking 2000USD, in order to "say" and then follow that with "doing" your robbery.
Money colored snake, did you look at this post http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373332#msg373332 or were your eyes occupied on the money you have robbed the people of for "religious talking and prayers".
You have business to attend to, such as denying the truth of what I wrote and the absolute power of Allah alone.
Of course you preach exactly what you do, like a baby, you turn your mouth away from the medicine being given to you by me.
Won't you swallow it drfuzool? You incessantly deny that Allah is the creator of all things whatsoever in the heavens and the Earth, "you and all your handiwork" "you and what you make". You deny it all repeatedly. Now you ignore it too, and fail to read it. Is it you who makes you unable to understand or is it Allah who makes you unable to understand? Is it you who makes you ignore it, or Allah? Is it you who chooses that you should be a defrauder of the poor, or has Allah cursed you to be a wicked thief and deceiver who spreads the lie that "Allah did not create all things, for example, Allah did not create medical technologies, but there are other creators besides Allah".
You are asking that I humble myself to the statement that "Allah is not the determiner of all things, Allah is not the Ultimate, Allah is not the chooser, Allah is not the maker of everything absolutely"
I am asking you to humble yourself to the statement "Allah is the absolute, the Ultimate, the creator of all things whatsoever, the chooser of all things, the determiner of all things, not leaving things to other powers or actors such as men, jinn or "Chance" which do not create or choose or determine or cause anything at all, but Allah alone is the power that does all."
Humble yourself, or die in a state of shirk. Do you think this warning is from me? All is from Allah, your resistance to the truth is from Allah, and my telling you the truth is from Allah, All is from Allah.
Allah is so merciful to even tell you these things, just like Pharoah was told things, he too said that he chooses and he determines, and he too was one who harmed the people.
drfiron, will you conform to the truth that Allah is the Ultimate, or will you continue to say that Allah did not create all things?
You are being offered a simple way out of all this, that is to conform, but it is a show of Allah's power to see that you can't, and a show of Allah's power if you do manage to humble yourself before the truth. Whatever you do, it is the will of Allah, you have no choice in the matter in what you will or choose, that is Allah choosing it for you and willing you to will what you will, and it may be that Allah is leading you to utter destruction (same goes for me).
Understand? Do you think this is just an online joke and I'm just some "random" crazy person? No, this is a big thing being proven here, a big thing is being witnessed here, this is no small joke.
Conform for your own sake or die in shirk. The choice? It is Allah's.
Quote from: drfazl on August 06, 2015, 09:55:32 PM
The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.
If I am sinning by saying Allah is the Ultimate, the creator of everything, the chooser of everything, the determiner of everything, there is no power but Allah, who is the power of and behind all things driving all things and is in charge of all things absolutely, and such statements are evil and "God has cast him" as in me, to it, then is it not, according to your statement, God misleading me "deliberately" or is it "indeliberate" and "caused by me" as if I am the driver of God and the cause, the determiner, the chooser?
I think the answer to that question is you just made a mistake in your sentence, and what you meant to say instead was "to which God cast him, accidentally, by Chance, or not at all, as God does not cast anything, but we are the casters".
It is so frustrating and annoying that I have to wait for you to burn in hell and watch your face roasted off repeatedly. It is Allah who makes me wait, not you.
When you are dead and gone, drfazl, perhaps the poverty stricken people of the Tamilnadu will be free from their oppressor who robbed them of 2000USD each for "prayers".
Will you die holding on to your statement that Allah is not the determiner, that Allah is not the power over everything, the decider, the cause, the doer, the will, the chooser, the maker of everything, you and what you make no matter what? The driver of you and the choices you take?
Will you die like that drfazl? Death is at hand always, it is right around the corner, though it may seem to you a long time away, you have no way to hold on to your "time".
Do you die fearlessly? Having robbed the poor for "prayers" you utter, charging them 2000USD for "prayers" you utter. Do you die fearlessly and stand before Judgment and say "You do not create or control everything, but there are other creators and determiners, you did not decide all matters or control what happens, but it was left to "Chance" and other powers besides you". Is that what you will say? When you might be asked "You charged an enormous sum of people for prayers which you uttered, in what sense of right did you do this?" will you say "I did not rob those who were sick and in need" and the reply may come "We know best what you did, and from who you stole". What an honor, truly, if you were even to be spoken to by Allah, a filthy criminal degenerate disease spreader and robber such as yourself. You should be honored too, if Allah casts you into the fire with all the wealth you acquired for "praying" for people.
Speak Only Kind Words
And Beware of the Demons
17.53 Tell My bondmen to speak that which is kindlier. Lo! the devil sows dissensions among them. Lo! the devil is for man an open foe.If we search through some 20 pages from 52 to 75 pages here you will not find a single page not infected by a devil speaking not only the harshest but filthiest words possible. He is the open foe to the entire mankind. This will further aggravate him but what is to be said is to be said for he shall not defy 17.53 thereby disobeying the entire Quran and Allah.
Here are some more "harsh words" for you, from what you might be calling "The Devil":
10:90
"And We took across (the) Children (of) Israel - the sea, and followed them Firaun and his hosts (in) rebellion and enmity, until when overtook him the drowning, he said, "I believe that (there is) no god except the One, in Whom believe the Children of Israel, and I am of the Muslims."
10:91
[But God said:] "Now? -when ever before this thou hast been rebelling [against Us], and hast been among those who spread corruption?
There is no kindness to a robber of the poor. Aren't thieves the ones who get their hands cut off?
48:29
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are fierce to the kafirun, merciful to one another. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking Allah?s good favour and His pleasure. Their mark is on their faces, the traces of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah. And their likeness in the Injil is that of a seed which puts up a shoot and makes it strong so that it thickens and grows up straight upon its stalk, filling the sowers with delight ? so that by them He may infuriate the kuffar. Allah has promised those of them who have iman and do right actions forgiveness and an immense reward.
3:8 ?Our Lord, do not make our hearts swerve aside after You have guided us. And give us mercy from You. You are the Ever-Giving.
3:9 Our Lord, You are the Gatherer of mankind to a Day of which there is no doubt. Allah will not break His promise.?
3:10 As for those who are kafir, their wealth and children will not help them against Allah in any way. They are fuel for the Fire,
3:11 as was the case with the people of Pharaoh and those before them. They denied Our Signs so Allah seized them for their wrong actions. Allah is fierce in retribution.
3:12 Say to those who are kafir: ?You will be overwhelmed and crowded into Hell. What an evil resting-place!?
Quote from: drfazl on August 07, 2015, 05:08:17 AM
Speak Only Kind Words
And Beware of the Demons
17.53 Tell My bondmen to speak that which is kindlier. Lo! the devil sows dissensions among them. Lo! the devil is for man an open foe.
If we search through some 20 pages from 52 to 75 pages here you will not find a single page not infected by a devil speaking not only the harshest but filthiest words possible. He is the open foe to the entire mankind. This will further aggravate him but what is to be said is to be said for he shall not defy 17.53 thereby disobeying the entire Quran and Allah.
It is "filthy" and the "filthiest words possible" to quote the Qur'an, speak against injustice such as the robbery of the poor for 2000USD each for "prayers", and to say Allah alone is the Ultimate of which there is no other power whatsoever, nor any other creator, who makes us and what we make and everything?
Is the "open foe to the entire mankind" one who invites to Eternal Truth of Allah by saying "worship Allah, who controls everything whatsoever, you are at the complete mercy of Allah and Allah's will always, surrendered completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly" or the one who says "Allah is not the determiner or creator of all things nor the cause of everything, and do not fight infection or diseases, but allow them to spread in your body, and pay me "alms" of 2000USD to "pray" regarding you".
Which is the "open foe to the entire mankind" in your estimation?
Is one who says "The decision is with Allah always in all matters, Allah creates and chooses what Allah wills, no choice have they, there is no determiner or power other than Allah alone, the Absolute, the Ultimate" one who "disobeys the entire Qur'an and Allah"?
Is that so? Curious indeed!
Judgement is with Allah and the reckoning is His; and these two are not with the demons; whoever says I have the judgement above Allah, then he becomes an accomplice of shaitan.
Those who were with Muhammad, followed their avowed messenger leader whom Allah had endowed with the decree as He willed. So those who were with him followed in avenging the people. But here the demon is with Iblis, who commands him to act by his decree? It is now evident that most times satans too would recite from Quran; 48.29 and continues to recite; and this indeed is an instance.
The satan's words: "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"
All other creations from heaven to earth are asked to surrender to the will of Allah willingly or unwillingly; but this order from shaitan asks mankind to surrender with the same order, which is not Quran and it is not Allah's command that a man shall surrender unwillingly, but willingly knowing and understanding the Creator and Fearing Him. Demons can utter Quran but those who are given the wisdom of the Book shall point out the flaws to the people and warn them that satan too shall utter the ayats of Quran.
Now it is open challenge to the demon, to show the ayat that says Allah will accept a man as of His Bondmen if he is forced to surrender, when he is unwilling. The postings are full of vomitus of the abominable, sick demon.
10.100 He lays abomination upon those who have no understanding.
Quote from: drfazl on August 07, 2015, 05:56:23 AM
The satan's words: "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"
All other creations from heaven to earth are asked to surrender to the will of Allah willingly or unwillingly; but this order from shaitan asks mankind to surrender with the same order, which is not Quran and it is not Allah's command that a man shall surrender unwillingly, but willingly knowing the Creator and Fearing Him. Demons can utter Quran but those who are given the wisdom of the Book shall point out the flaws to the people and warn them that satan to shall utter the ayats of Quran.
Now it is open challenge to the demon, to show the ayat that says Allah will accept a man as of His Bondmen if he is forced to surrender, when he is unwilling. The postings are full of vomitus of the sick demon.
You said these are Satan's words "
The satan's words: "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly""
If you correctly quote me "you are at the complete mercy of Allah and Allah's will always, surrendered completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"
but you are a deceiver, so of course you tried yet again to mislead the people by quoting incorrectly, and even so, you called it "Satan's words" so behold, who you call "Satan's words":
3:83
Seek they other than the religion of Allah, when unto Him surrenders whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and unto Him they will be returned.
4:76
Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of false powers. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.
I say Allah is the only power, all are surrendered to Allah willingly or unwillingly. You falsely wrote about what I said in order to deceive people, and also suggest something like "No, it is not so" to what I am saying. Thus you are in the wrong, as usual because you battle for the cause of "false powers" which you claim "created, while Allah did not create what they created or all things, but Allah created some things, and they created some things which Allah did not create or control or determine".
So who is right?
Quote from: A.W on August 06, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.
when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith
only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
3.83 So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have submitted all those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?
This verse does not speak about man but about every other created things in the heavens and the earth and everything in between. If it is indicating man too, then this ayat shall contradict 2/256; then to the men of ill understanding, Allah admonishes they shall not open their mouths until the Quran is completed on them 20/114. But the demons will not heed; yet they cannot get anywhere near Quran 56/79.
Quote from: drfazl on August 07, 2015, 05:56:23 AM
10.100 He lays abomination upon those who have no understanding.
Agreed. Now we can also agree that it is an abomination to rob the sick and poor people of Tamilnadu of 2000USD for saying "prayers". Did you see "Allah lays abomination", there is Allah laying abomination, doing what he wills and chooses, and so we see your abominable act of robbing the sick and poor who come to you pleading and in desperation and you rob them of 2000USD solemnly and for "prayers".
Who is the abominable one?
I ask no fee whatsoever for telling people Allah is the Ultimate, there is no power but Allah, Allah created all things, Allah even "lays abomination" as you proved with the quote you selected there.
You ask a fee of an enormous sum of a poverty and disease stricken people of 2000USD and then "pray" and say to them "Allah is not the power or creator of everything, but medicines are not the creation of Allah, but there are other creators, and Allah did not make their handiwork." Your own quote that follows you these days under all your posts begins with something like "Quran reading is useless", which it apparently is for you, since you do not do as you say (which you also mentioned earlier), and do not "decisively stick to righteousness" since you ask for a fee of "alms" of an enormous sum of 2000USD from people for "prayers" and "religious teaching", making you a decisively unrighteous criminal thief, and your "religious teaching" is that "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely, but some things, such as medicines and evil, are not created by Allah or determined by Allah, but there are other creators and determiners besides Allah, you should not fight disease, since not all the means by which you might fight disease are really from Allah, but are from Jinn or other sources besides Allah who created them while Allah did not create everything, the Jinn created things, and God is not responsible for all creation" even though the Qur'an says Allah makes everyone and what they make too, that they can not even make a fly or control anything in the least, and many more things which I showed you which you apparently ignored.
I'm offering you clear reasoning, so what do you have to say for yourself except "I am very sorry, I will change my ways, I will stop robbing the poor, thinking that I won't survive without stealing 2000USD from people for "prayers" and not trusting that Allah will provide for me in a better manner than my robbing the poor and the sick and the needy in exchange for "prayers", and I will stop the printing of all my lies and deceptions, and I will run from the people who took me to be a messenger and a saint and a spokesperson of good, and I will cease all my shirk and say that Allah alone is the Ultimate power, creator of all things absolutely, and the only chooser and decider, there is no power but Allah, I surrender, and I repent, asking Allah to forgive me, I have been a wicked person, and I only ask that in my advanced age that I can be MADE by Allah to amend my conduct and finally act righteously in my life".
Will you do it? Doubtful that you will. It would take a blessing from Allah to grant you the humility to do what I've suggested to you. You will very likely fail in this regard, and this will all become a mockery of you later perhaps, rather then a miraculous moment of sudden change and repentance, where our enmity is instantly ended as well and you become my brother instead of my enemy.
I am not supposed to be nice to you until you do right and you are of the army of evil for as long as you say "Allah is not the creator of everything, I will continue to take 2000USD or ANY SUM WHATSOEVER from people for "prayers" or "religious teaching".
Quote from: drfazl on August 07, 2015, 06:23:50 AM
3.83 So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have submitted all those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?
This verse does not speak about man but about every other created things in the heavens and the earth and everything in between. If it is indicating man too, then this ayat shall contradict 2/256; then to the men of ill understanding, Allah admonishes they shall not open their mouths until the Quran is completed on them 20/114. But the demons will not heed; yet they cannot get anywhere near Quran 56/79.
So you are saying "all those" does not include "man", and man is also apparently not "withing heavens and earth" but somehow apart from it and not included in "all" and when Allah says "all" it doesn't really mean "all" it means "some" like in the case of "All is from God", it really means "some is from God, some is from other sources" and when the Qur'an says "Allah created ALL" it means "Allah created SOME, Jinn and Man created other things which Allah did not create" and when the Qur'an says "Allah created YOU AND WHATEVER YOU MAKE/YOUR HANDIWORK/ALL THAT YOU DO" it means "Allah created you, but only some things, and not really what you make, or your handiwork, or what you do".
This is your interpretation then?
All doesn't mean All but means "Some" and "Creator of Everything, They create nothing" means "Creator of some things, they create some things which Allah does not create"?
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 06:21:39 AM
when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?
This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 06:21:39 AM
when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 06:21:39 AM
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient
Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?
You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.
DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.
If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.
Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.
Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?
So, the prayer can be sold?
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 06:21:39 AM
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "
the rest (of the money)"?
I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,
then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.
Quote from: drfazl on August 07, 2015, 06:41:02 AM
If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.
Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.
Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?
"Spend spend spend" to "fill fill fill" the pockets of drfazl.
The demon is ready!
So it is "pure shirky heart" to say "Allah alone is the only power, creator of all things, do not defraud the poor, those who are sick, those who are in need, and ask no fee for "religious matters" or "praying" or spending "2 minutes" or anything like that, and do not say there are other creators besides Allah and that Allah has not created all things but only some things, and not all things surrender to Allah willingly or unwillingly but only some things, and some things Allah controls while other things Allah doesn't control and there are other determiners, choosers, and controllers".
That is "pure shirky heart"?
The demon of Allah is ready!
Who will be a demon with me in the cause of Allah?
Who will fight with me against the criminality of drfazl, who robs and defrauds the poor, takes 2000USD for "prayers" and the work of Allah? He does not "loan a good loan" but instead defrauds the people, taking money for "prayers" and teaches a disease stricken people "do not fight disease" and then says if they die "they did not have faith" because he is a Zalim and a sinner of extraordinary levels for all to witness.
Will you all let me have all the honor in fighting injustice and reciting the praises of Allah against the shirk of the criminal who robs the poor and sick and need, even spending so little time with them after they have paid so much, and then says "Allah is not the creator of all things" in exchange for his enormous fee.
So be it, if no other demons will stand up with me, the honor shall be mine in roasting this pig fattened with sin and the wealth of those crying out for relief.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 07:00:06 AM
I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,
then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.
Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.
He robs the poor, the needy, the sick, the people who have no money whose economy is so bad and the wealth is so low there, and he takes from them in their time of need 2000USD in exchange for "2 minutes" or so for "2000USD" for "prayers" where ALLAH does the work, and he is taking the money, and then in exchange for that "teaches" them that "Allah is not the creator of everything" and to a disease stuck community says "do not fight disease" and if they die he says "they did not have sufficient faith in Allah, or else they would not have died" and opposes the statements that "Allah is the one who creates everything, the Ultimate, the chooser" and ignores the revelations.
Do you think being gentle with him is allowed? Being gentle with him is a sin and a crime, you must FIGHT INJUSTICE, this is an opportunity to fight evil, Allah has set him up and the righteous might speak out against him at least.
FIGHT HIM HARD. Turn all your hatred for injustice, the harming of the poor, and whatever else on him and FIGHT HIM WITH WORDS OF JUSTICE AND TRUTH.
If you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.
49:7
And know that God?s Apostle is among you: were he to comply with your inclinations in each and every case, you would be bound to come to harm [as a community]. But as it is, God has caused [your] faith to be dear to you, and has given it beauty in your hearts, and has made
hateful to you all denial of the truth, and all iniquity, and all rebellion. Such indeed are they who follow the right course
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 07, 2015, 07:13:07 AM
Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.
I think I shouldn't be too harsh toward the elderly.
QuoteIf you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.
::) :elektro:
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 07, 2015, 06:36:25 AM
Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?
This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.
can you support me with quran for the above. moreover you have not read the answers by drfazl to AW (reply 743). it clears your question.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 07:26:29 AM
I think I shouldn't be too harsh toward the elderly.
::) :elektro:
Pharoah was an old man too.
This guy is really bad, he is taking advantage of poor sick people in the name of Allah spreading shirk and disease simultaneously for an enormous fee.
I feel bad that he is an old man too a little bit, but when one brings to mind what this old snake is doing to this day, these are not past crimes but current crimes, it is like a snake, albeit an old snake, devouring children to this day, the old fat snake filled with the wealth of the poor needs to be stopped.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 07:32:23 AM
can you support me with quran for the above. moreover you have not read the answers by drfazl to AW (reply 743). it clears your question.
Have you read all that I've written to drfazl recently? You can't deny what he is doing, and you can't deny the Qur'an. By "can't" I mean you shouldn't, but clearly you are denying both and ignoring it.
This is no joke man, what he is doing is criminal. Someone should call the cops and have him charged with fraud for what he is doing.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 07, 2015, 06:40:36 AM
Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?
You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.
DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.
now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 07:49:59 AM
now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.
I promise you I am not jealous. I will tell you why I'm not jealous. To me it is dreadful to do what he is doing and say what he is saying. When a person is jealous typically, by definition, they WANT what the other has. I would RUN HEADLONG from his lifestyle, because to me it is CERTAIN DOOM to accept money for prayers. The doom for that is tremendous as far as I believe, it is not a joke at all. I am not at all covetous of his lifestyle. To acquire money in this way, for religious teaching and prayer, is a huge sin in my view. I refused even to accept money to be the friends of people and to give them counsel and did not like the idea of psychology because how can you take money for just sitting with people and listening to them and being their friend? I do that for free.
No, this man is a sinner, and I do not desire what he does or what he has, because that to me would be desiring hell-fire.
I don't know if Allah will throw him in hell or not, but in my view he is worthy of hell for sure and because I seriously believe that, I would NEVER want to do what he is doing. I am genuinely afraid of asking for money for such things. I don't think it is wrong to work at labor for money, but I do believe it is very wrong to take money for "prayers" or religious teaching. I think people should get their money in some other way and then do religious teaching for free, except what he teaches religiously is also sin and shirk, so he is bad all around.
This is no joke, you shouldn't be ok with what he is doing either, it is not ok.
It would be a little less bad seeming if he asked no fee and did everything for free, never accepting money from people at all.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 07:49:59 AM
now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.
So now he spends less than 2 minutes to "pray" for people and takes 2000USD from the poor, sick, and needy? Is that the correction? My apologies if I said that he spends any time with people worthy of 2000USD.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 07, 2015, 07:33:57 AM
Pharoah was an old man too.
This guy is really bad, he is taking advantage of poor sick people in the name of Allah spreading shirk and disease simultaneously for an enormous fee.
I feel bad that he is an old man too a little bit, but when one brings to mind what this old snake is doing to this day, these are not past crimes but current crimes, it is like a snake, albeit an old snake, devouring children to this day, the old fat snake filled with the wealth of the poor needs to be stopped.
Pharaoh?
Maybe your accusation toward dr fazl is exaggerated? I don't think that he can be equated with pharaoh.
Honestly, I might gladly let (or even maybe support) drfazl to keep doing his practice - praying for healing - if he is doing it for free for any good* people, either they're poor or rich.
*yes, good people, not bad/evil people, because I don't mind if evil people like rapists are dead because of illness
And IF, drfazl is living in poverty, then I think it is okay if he receives charity/alms from other people, but the charity given to him is because he's poor, not because of the prayers he did for them.
But people who are not living in poverty should not receive alms, in my opinion.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 06:51:07 AM
So, the prayer can be sold?
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?
what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part. think for a while no need to tell me. why your attention went only into that? there was other things which you have not come across in your life probably. no bad intention pls.
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money? drfazl insists that they fear Allah, so he do not keep account of it. also he do not know whether the patient is lying that they have not enough money. if at all they pay they pay only to fulfill their word. like many here who want to get cure by prayers but wish need not pay for their cure; there are many in Tamilnadu also.
do you really think you can sell prayers? everyone pray here, can anyone show a sign of healing? and can you sell it? will anyone believe? all questions you have no answers. this is a sign from Allah to His servant. will you then understand?
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 06:51:07 AM
So, the prayer can be sold?
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373363#msg373363
This would be SO funny if it were not for actual human victims involved! That is what makes such a ridiculous thing so tragic and horrible that there is a person doing this to living human beings.
Living, but for how long?!
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 08:38:18 AM
Pharaoh?
Maybe your accusation toward dr fazl is exaggerated? I don't think that he can be equated with pharaoh.
Honestly, I might gladly let (or even maybe support) drfazl to keep doing his practice - praying for healing - if he is doing it for free for any good* people, either they're poor or rich.
*yes, good people, not bad/evil people, because I don't mind if evil people like rapists are dead because of illness
And IF, drfazl is living in poverty, then I think it is okay if he receives charity/alms from other people, but the charity given to him is because he's poor, not because of the prayers he did for them.
But people who are not living in poverty should not receive alms, in my opinion.
drfazl may be worse than Pharoah, though Pharoah was an evildoer who killed people, drfazl tells people to allow disease to spread and robs them while doing it, indirectly killing them by promoting the spread of disease while taking huge sums of money for "praying". A person who receives 2000USD per sessions and has a big following of people is not in poverty for long!
Pharoah did not say to his people "allow disease to spread among yourself", and before he died Pharoah admitted to God, though it was too late.
drfazl on the other hand, is denying that Allah is the creator of all things, which is shirk, he is using this shirk as his excuse to tell a poverty and sickness struck people "therefor do not fight disease" and may be genuinely leading to much damage and death in the populace that listens to him and refuses medical help out of feeling that it is "shirk" based on what he claims "Allah did not create everything, for example, Allah did not create medical technologies or medicines, so you should not fight disease or else you are performing shirk" and misleading people.
So don't be on the wrong side of the fence (as usual!). Do not support him at all, even if it were for free and not charging an enormous sum, he is still performing shirk by denying that Allah is the creator of everything absolutely, and he is still harming the populace by saying to them "do not fight disease". This is not someone to support unless you want to be counted among the unjust.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part. think for a while no need to tell me. why your attention went only into that? there was other things which you have not come across in your life probably. no bad intention pls.
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money? drfazl insists that they fear Allah, so he do not keep account of it. also he do not know whether the patient is lying that they have not enough money. if at all they pay they pay only to fulfill their word. like many here who want to get cure by prayers but wish need not pay for their cure; there are many in Tamilnadu also.
do you really think you can sell prayers? everyone pray here, can anyone show a sign of healing? and can you sell it? will anyone believe? all questions you have no answers. this is a sign from Allah to His servant. will you then understand?
Just so you know, *facepalm means "putting my palm to my face" or "putting my face into my palm", like "sigh! I give up! this is ridiculous!" and things like that. The * symbol signifies an action being taken, such as *catches drfazl by his snake tail and bashes him against every wall for robbing the poor* *the sound is percussive, like money clattering*
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 07:00:06 AM
I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,
then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.
you are equating prayers of a God alone servant to selling a tea? and then lowering the prayer.
61.10 - O! ye who believe, shall i inform you to a business that will save you from painful disgrace?
prayer healing is a business with God alone.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 08:58:44 AM
you are equating prayers of a God alone servant to selling a tea? and then lowering the prayer.
61.10 - O! ye who believe, shall i inform you to a business that will save you from painful disgrace?
lol, do you not understand that he has no right to "sell prayers" whatsoever? If Allah is doing the work, what does he deserve any money for? Is the idea that "Allah does not listen to the people, but listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl which the people lack"? This is like the "saint worship" then, making drfazl an intercessor with God "he will intercede on my behalf, drfazl's prayers are heard when I pay him 2000USD, whereas when I pray, my prayers are not heard, so I will pay drfazl to pray for me so that he intercedes with Allah on my behalf".
Do you understand what you are saying and doing?
Any visitors can start reading from here!
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373323#msg373323
Join the battle against an evildoer who is selling lies and deception to the people for a high price of 2000USD.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 07, 2015, 09:04:32 AM
lol, do you not understand that he has no right to "sell prayers" whatsoever? If Allah is doing the work, what does he deserve any money for? Is the idea that "Allah does not listen to the people, but listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl which the people lack"? This is like the "saint worship" then, making drfazl an intercessor with God "he will intercede on my behalf, drfazl's prayers are heard when I pay him 2000USD, whereas when I pray, my prayers are not heard, so I will pay drfazl to pray for me so that he intercedes with Allah on my behalf".
Do you understand what you are saying and doing?
do you understand my post and do you ponder your above sayings? do you?
Quote from: huruf on August 06, 2015, 10:20:32 PM
So, is it your fish in colours who creates your things in you or you are a creator yourself or things create themselves by themselves?
You make too much theater with so much shock but in fact you are not bringing up any solid explanation for the questions that have been raised.
Getting shocked and acting horrified is no substitute for explanations nor for making sense.
Who creats evil? or is it uncreated? Or evil exist by itself since ever? Or did Iblees create by himself?
Another show of shockedness might not be felt as sufficient answer by those who indeed want to have an answer along the line you seem to believe is the correct one.
Salaam
Great post! He seems to ignore most things brought up to him. Maybe he will manage to ignore the feeling of his flesh burned off repeatedly in hell fire if he ends up there.
"Why would I end up there?"
Well, Allah can do whatever Allah wills, but you have also charged the poor, sick, and needy 2000USD to "pray" on their behalf as a "intercessor" with God, you have stated shirk by saying "Allah did not create everything", you have supported the spread of disease among the sickness struck people of the Tamilnadu region by saying "do not fight disease" and your explanation is shirk "because Allah has not created the means by which diseases are typically fought, such as antibiotics, but jinn have created it or other creators besides Allah have created these things" despite the Qur'an even saying "you and all you make" were created by Allah, and even if the Qur'an had not said that, that is simply the logical case that whatever is Ultimate refers to what is Ultimately responsible for everything absolutely.
Your crimes are many, besides being a zalim and an ingrate, who says "I refuse the help of Allah, and what FreedomStands is saying" and zalim because of suggesting "they died or suffered because they had no faith in Allah, they sought treatment to fight disease because they are performers of shirk instead of coming to me and paying 2000USD for a prayer" and other things, such as fighting against me when I am trying to make you a good man for once in your life.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 09:17:42 AM
do you understand my post and do you ponder your above sayings? do you?
Yes, actually. I am reading and re-reading all my posts and yours. I do pay attention to what you are saying very carefully, but I don't think you actually care or pay any attention to what I am saying at all. You are just defending this person, the way people defend their cult leaders who have taken wealth from them often and they say "we must pay, I wanted to pay and I am happy that I paid" and whatever, you can read about how these things work and the more people invest the more they justify it and defend their stupidity and mistakes.
This is the kind of stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja0Hs7Ryth0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPbstGMt4Fw
At 37 minutes you say "I was a fraud and I was a killer until 1986" haha, I think that might be when you became a fraud and a killer for real, it was also the year I was born to come and tell you to become a proper Muslim.
Now you charge money for prayers, say that Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely, and tell people to not fight against disease and its spread, making you a fraud and a killer for real.
You should, even as a shirk promoting thief, at least find time to perform some exercise for health purposes, or is that a bad idea and "shirk"? Shall I pay you 2000USD to intercede with Allah and pray for my physical fitness while doing no exercise? I don't know, I might end up looking like a fat snake if I were to do that!
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
I am sorry, please ignore it.Quotedid you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part.
Because I think that ("payment") is strong evidence to know the error of drfazl's practice.
Don't you understand?Quotedid i say he is concerned with the rest of the money?
If he doesn't have concern (doesn't care) about it, then he should tell them not to pay again - something like that, right?Quotedo you really think you can sell prayers?
I think we should not sell prayer/s.
Hope that is clear enough for you.If you pray for someone else, then I suggest to drfazl & his team:
do not take any fee for that - whatever you named it (the fee).Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 06:21:39 AM
when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured [with the help of drfazl] will return to him again for any other illnesses?
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Quote from: mmkhan on August 07, 2015, 12:39:02 PM
Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured [with the help of drfazl] will return to him again for any other illnesses?
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
"With the help of the intercession of drfazl"
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
I am sorry, please ignore it.
Because I think that ("payment") is strong evidence to know the error of drfazl's practice.
Don't you understand?
If he doesn't have concern (doesn't care) about it, then he should tell them not to pay again - something like that, right?
I think we should not sell prayer/s.
Hope that is clear enough for you.
If you pray for someone else, then I suggest to drfazl & his team:
do not take any fee for that - whatever you named it (the fee).
Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?
Hehe cool!
Quote from: mmkhan on August 07, 2015, 12:39:02 PM
Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured [with the help of drfazl] will return to him again for any other illnesses?
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
peace mmkhan,
it is prayer healing, the patients need to know what is it. the first thought of anyone who hears it is they compare with the christian prayer healing. but it is not. may be i don't know a correct word in english. so the patient's are taught what is God? what is disease? why we get disease? how it gets cured?
these questions are normally cleared when some one attend the meetings which are free to public. many who come to the meetings to hear the teachings do not even meet drfazl and when i discuss with them they are leading a life without any medicines even paying a single penny to drfazl. drfazl do not know them, but they know drfazl.
only who want to meet drfazl privately come to his clinic, they pay for witnessing the sign of healing. what he teach in the meeting is free when they come to him privately for the same they are paying. even though he is doctor, now he has only quran and God with him. so, God brings him patients. if a patient returns to him it is only to strengthen his belief in God? many people are ready to pay even their entire wealth (patients tell this) to modern medicine to see a cure, but they didn't find a cure for any disease, they only lost their organs. but when they come to drfazl they want it free because it is only a prayer for them like many here. after seeing this for a long time he was guided by 9.103 only this time he in the public meeting announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim, or a christian or a hindu or an atheist. they wish to become humans instead of religious divisions. hindus takes quran, christians takes quran, atheist takes quran and muslims takes quran to read in their native language first time to understand. many with their families turning towards Allah against all accusations more than what you see in this forum. it is a peaceful renaissance shielded from the disbelievers eyes (yet they call themselves believers as in the aforesaid periods) by Allah. unless you see by your own you will not understand what is happening by the Grace of Allah.
may we be protected from shaitan who puts us doubts in believers.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 07, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?
pls ref my answer to mmkhan
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 07:30:19 PM
peace mmkhan,
it is prayer healing, the patients need to know what is it. the first thought of anyone who hears it is they compare with the christian prayer healing. but it is not. may be i don't know a correct word in english. so the patient's are taught what is God? what is disease? why we get disease? how it gets cured?
these questions are normally cleared when some one attend the meetings which are free to public. many who come to the meetings to hear the teachings do not even meet drfazl and when i discuss with them they are leading a life without any medicines even paying a single penny to drfazl. drfazl do not know them, but they know drfazl.
only who want to meet drfazl privately come to his clinic, they pay for witnessing the sign of healing. what he teach in the meeting is free when they come to him privately for the same they are paying. even though he is doctor, now he has only quran and God with him. so, God brings him patients. if a patient returns to him it is only to strengthen his belief in God? many people are ready to pay even their entire wealth (patients tell this) to modern medicine to see a cure, but they didn't find a cure for any disease, they only lost their organs. but when they come to drfazl they want it free because it is only a prayer for them like many here. after seeing this for a long time he was guided by 9.103 only this time he in the public meeting announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim, or a christian or a hindu or an atheist. they wish to become humans instead of religious divisions. hindus takes quran, christians takes quran, atheist takes quran and muslims takes quran to read in their native language first time to understand. many with their families turning towards Allah against all accusations more than what you see in this forum. it is a peaceful renaissance shielded from the disbelievers eyes (yet they call themselves believers as in the aforesaid periods) by Allah. unless you see by your own you will not understand what is happening by the Grace of Allah.
may we be protected from shaitan who puts us doubts in believers.
Peace brother,
Thanks for your reply.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr
mmKhan
Peace to all.
I have been following these posts for quite a while now. Been following drfazl's posts and his methods of treating patients through quran. Its very interesting and surprising to know people actually get cured without medicines or any surgeries. since the topic is now getting hotter day by day i thought i could make myself get clarified on some points.
Lets assume that if a person is suffering from coronary heart disease and he needs a bypass surgery. He doesnt want to be operated upon as the person is afraid of open heart surgery and he knows the side effects of it and he searches options other than surgery for his cure from this illness. He comes to know about drfazl's way of treatment and he sees him. 'IF' he gets cured of his problem ,wouldnt that be a miracle cure for him and allah has shown the righteous path for him?. What will he be thinking? He is saved from a open heart surgery and its morbidity. And he's also saved from endless,huge medical expenses which he has to afford all the rest of his life. I hope u guys know the cost of a bypass surgery in your respective countries. Its not cheap. Comes close to 5000 USD for the surgery alone and the medical expenses for him all his life is about 10 times that. So he just spends 2000 USD for his treatment and by allah's grace he is getting cured. Thats a cost you would anyhow give because its your life which is at stake. Whats the point then in pinpointing his fees alone? The final result is you enter allah's grace and for the rest of his life he is surrendered and submissive to allah and seek allah for all his needs.
2- Viceversa in allopathy, if the same person gets this surgery done and he is informed cured by the doctor who has operated upon him, wont the patient associate the doctor to a god? Isnt that open shirk? and above that i have seen so many people getting multiple bypass surgeries done due to failure of the graft. So what the doctor promised of his cure is a BLATANT LIE. Will this be the work of god? Seriously? I mean will this increase my belief in allah in anyway? If i truly believe in allah then allah shall show me the way to further increase my belief in him,which is what drfazl seems to be doing. This is (allopathic system) contradictory to what is in the quran.
These are few of the questions and thoughts in my mind. Wanted to share it with you all. Peace.
Quote from: Raul on August 08, 2015, 02:08:50 AM
Peace to all.
I have been following these posts for quite a while now. Been following drfazl's posts and his methods of treating patients through quran. Its very interesting and surprising to know people actually get cured without medicines or any surgeries. since the topic is now getting hotter day by day i thought i could make myself get clarified on some points.
Lets assume that if a person is suffering from coronary heart disease and he needs a bypass surgery. He doesnt want to be operated upon as the person is afraid of open heart surgery and he knows the side effects of it and he searches options other than surgery for his cure from this illness. He comes to know about drfazl's way of treatment and he sees him. 'IF' he gets cured of his problem ,wouldnt that be a miracle cure for him and allah has shown the righteous path for him?. What will he be thinking? He is saved from a open heart surgery and its morbidity. And he's also saved from endless,huge medical expenses which he has to afford all the rest of his life. I hope u guys know the cost of a bypass surgery in your respective countries. Its not cheap. Comes close to 5000 USD for the surgery alone and the medical expenses for him all his life is about 10 times that. So he just spends 2000 USD for his treatment and by allah's grace he is getting cured. Thats a cost you would anyhow give because its your life which is at stake. Whats the point then in pinpointing his fees alone? The final result is you enter allah's grace and for the rest of his life he is surrendered and submissive to allah and seek allah for all his needs.
2- Viceversa in allopathy, if the same person gets this surgery done and he is informed cured by the doctor who has operated upon him, wont the patient associate the doctor to a god? Isnt that open shirk? and above that i have seen so many people getting multiple bypass surgeries done due to failure of the graft. So what the doctor promised of his cure is a BLATANT LIE. Will this be the work of god? Seriously? I mean will this increase my belief in allah in anyway? If i truly believe in allah then allah shall show me the way to further increase my belief in him,which is what drfazl seems to be doing. This is (allopathic system) contradictory to what is in the quran.
These are few of the questions and thoughts in my mind. Wanted to share it with you all. Peace.
Why is there a 2000USD fee (on the poor people of Tamilnadu) for praying to Allah?
Why can't drfazl go around and pray for people for free?
The doctor is not commonly thought of as a God, but a technician, like a baker is a scientist of baking, the doctor learns about the human bodily functions.
The doctor is performing a service, drfazl is not doing anything but praying to Allah.
People don't even consider the Doctor and intercessor with Allah. Yet if "drfazl's prayer works, while my prayer doesn't work" that is definitely making drfazl an intercessor with Allah "Allah listens to drfazl, but doesn't listen to me".
This is the evil of old, evil people used to do this in the past too, it doesn't matter if it works or not, it is the same as:
"So what is wrong with going to an idol, and praying to that idol, asking the idol to go before God spiritually and ask for help, if the cure then comes after that? Is there anything wrong with that idol and if it seems to help to pour milk on that idol's head, is there anything wrong with pouring milk on the idols head and leaving food for it if it helps me get cured?"
It is a grave sin to sell religion and prayer for a price.
It is a grave sin to say "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely", that is true shirk.
It is a grave sin to say "drfazl's prayers work, but my prayers do not work, Allah listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl, but Allah doesn't listen to my pleas".
This is "intercession" it is a huge sin in Islam. There were many "healers" and "saints" of old who used to do this practice. Even if it works or appears to work, that is the deception of shirk leading people to destruction. The ones who think that drfazl's prayers work and ask for his intercession are performing a terrible sin.
You can't go around paying people for prayers.
drfazl should go and pray for all the people and heal the Tamilnadu, or does he fear poverty will strike him if they don't pay him each 2000USD in their sick desperation?
So tell me Raul, what is wrong with asking the intercession of an individual? What is wrong to pouring milk on an idols head if it works to intercede and heal? What is wrong is the belief and the implications and the charges, that is what is wrong. What is wrong is the injustice and thievery.
If it is Allah that is healing, then why is drfazl taking money for the work of Allah if drfazl has no part in it? Is it that drfazl is an intercessor who has some special quality that his prayers are answered, so instead of healing all the people with this special power he makes a profit from it?
Raul, do you use your mind at all when you're doing this "thinking" of which you speak?
Raul, tell me what is wrong with me saying, God will listen to you and not me, so I'll pay you to pray for me because God listens to you and not me?
What is wrong with you saying "I accept payment and I will talk to God for you, because God listens to me and not you".
What is wrong with saying "this idol, when I ask it for help, my prayers are answered, because the idol goes before God and intercedes and God listens so I am healed?"
Tell me, Raul, what is wrong with all the people claiming Jesus, the icons and images of saints, the graves of saints, the individual living saints, or idols of any kind are part and have a "share" or some portion in having a person healed? Do you know how many Hindus claim such things about their idols? How many Christians? How many Sufi's about their saints?
Tell me what is wrong, if you are a Muslim at all, and if you are not a Muslim at all, tell me what is RIGHT about those things.
Quote from: Raul on August 08, 2015, 02:08:50 AM
Peace to all.
I have been following these posts for quite a while now. Been following drfazl's posts and his methods of treating patients through quran. Its very interesting and surprising to know people actually get cured without medicines or any surgeries. since the topic is now getting hotter day by day i thought i could make myself get clarified on some points.
Lets assume that if a person is suffering from coronary heart disease and he needs a bypass surgery. He doesnt want to be operated upon as the person is afraid of open heart surgery and he knows the side effects of it and he searches options other than surgery for his cure from this illness. He comes to know about drfazl's way of treatment and he sees him. 'IF' he gets cured of his problem ,wouldnt that be a miracle cure for him and allah has shown the righteous path for him?. What will he be thinking? He is saved from a open heart surgery and its morbidity. And he's also saved from endless,huge medical expenses which he has to afford all the rest of his life. I hope u guys know the cost of a bypass surgery in your respective countries. Its not cheap. Comes close to 5000 USD for the surgery alone and the medical expenses for him all his life is about 10 times that. So he just spends 2000 USD for his treatment and by allah's grace he is getting cured. Thats a cost you would anyhow give because its your life which is at stake. Whats the point then in pinpointing his fees alone? The final result is you enter allah's grace and for the rest of his life he is surrendered and submissive to allah and seek allah for all his needs.
2- Viceversa in allopathy, if the same person gets this surgery done and he is informed cured by the doctor who has operated upon him, wont the patient associate the doctor to a god? Isnt that open shirk? and above that i have seen so many people getting multiple bypass surgeries done due to failure of the graft. So what the doctor promised of his cure is a BLATANT LIE. Will this be the work of god? Seriously? I mean will this increase my belief in allah in anyway? If i truly believe in allah then allah shall show me the way to further increase my belief in him,which is what drfazl seems to be doing. This is (allopathic system) contradictory to what is in the quran.
These are few of the questions and thoughts in my mind. Wanted to share it with you all. Peace.
So , the patient has to pay 2000$ after he is cured of his heart disease without being done heart surgery or before cure when he meets drfazl?
No body associate the doctor to a god except few ignorant illiterates. Usually people pray to god even before and during surgery. These people does not rely only on doctors , let alone make shirk. They know that if Allah wills (except aetheists may be), only then the operation will be successful. So many patients die during and after surgery. Doctors also know that. Doctors are merely a tool.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 08, 2015, 02:37:38 AM
Why is there a 2000USD fee (on the poor people of Tamilnadu) for praying to Allah?
The doctor is performing a service, drfazl is not doing anything but praying to Allah.
If a doctor gets money and if the patient dies or if any disabling morbidity occurs to the patient, you call that a service? isnt that a gamble?
you pay hell a lot of money for chance/gamble.
If a believer truly believes in cure through prayer to allah alone(and if he gets the cure) and not associating the doctor with allah, isnt that is what called a true connection with god? Isnt that a service to the entire humanity.?
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 08, 2015, 02:37:38 AM
"drfazl's prayer works, while my prayer doesn't work" that is definitely making drfazl an intercessor with Allah "Allah listens to drfazl, but doesn't listen to me".
Do you think drfazl is the only one whose prayer works? And i havent come across such a proclamation from his posts. Allah accepts a sincere prayer from whomsoever he is pleased with. So if a person prays and if its not accepted by allah, then it means allah is not pleased with his doings nor with his ways of praying. In that case he has to be guided towards proper way of praying the almighty to relieve of his sins,thereby his ilnesses. While typing these lines it struck me that it(the fees) can be called as an offering out of respect for his works in the path of the almighty. This is not intercession but its a guide to set right whats wrong in the ways of your prayer.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 08, 2015, 02:37:38 AM
It is a grave sin to say "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely", that is true shirk.
Coming to your line of thought,,,Do you pray?And if so what do you pray for?For peace ultimately right? If according to you,god is the creator of 'everything',then why would you pray for peace?...He created a situation for you,a problem,why do you want to come out of it?Then doesnt it imply that god wants himself not to be sought after.? Why should a god exist then?. In a simple plain proverbial way,"You reap what you sow". Basic. Is your concept is of any use to anybody? Prayers dont work because of such wrong concepts.
If you watch closely such misconceptions/misconcepts occur in societies.They start doing/preaching what they think is right.It goes the same for praying allah through quran to get cured/healed. They had to be 'taught' the ways to pray the almighty through only quran. Once they start living in the beautiful blessings of the almighty,they can start guiding others in the path of allah.
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 07:33:18 PM
pls ref my answer to mmkhan
Reply #791 ?
For me, that post shows further proof that you and drfazl are indeed untrustworthy.
I think if we truly listen to the messages of the Qur'an, then it's quite clear that drfazl and you (if you're indeed his accomplice) have committed fraud,
and I call it: "Tipuan Murahan" in my language.
Btw, I wonder whether it is possible for the members to know "dummy accounts" - whether those are fake accounts?
If that is something important, maybe we should know which ones?
9.103 Take of their wealth a freewill offering, to purify them and to cleanse them thereby, and pray for them; thy prayers are a comfort for them; God is All-hearing, All-knowing.
Is there any one who cares for this ayat? Who wants to interpret it? Of course the demon cannot. Any one else?
@ drfazl,
insha'Allah, your trick won't work on me.
My Rabb is my Protector. Glory be to Allah, my Rabb.
10.76. So when there came to them the truth from Us, they said, "Indeed, this is obvious magic."
How true Allah is! How exactly Allah picturises perfect examples.
Quote from: drfazl on August 08, 2015, 09:13:04 AM
9.103 Take of their wealth a freewill offering, to purify them and to cleanse them thereby, and pray for them; thy prayers are a comfort for them; God is All-hearing, All-knowing.
Is there any one who cares for this ayat? Who wants to interpret it? Of course the demon cannot. Any one else?
I guess its just me then. That verse seems to be well recognized as referring particularly to the Prophet (are you the Prophet? I've made a grave error in questioning you and your activities and shirk then eh?! Or would I treat them similarly and question their injustice?)
Even so, do you think the Prophet charged 2000USD to pray for people? Haha, maybe he was an incredibly evil man like yourself. I don't know.
Regardless, that revelation is not talking about you.
It is doubtful that the Prophet was going around robbing the poor and sick for prayers.
Demon cannot touch Quran; never can he imagine to try out the meaning of 9:103.
Please there should be some sane one to discuss.
Quote from: drfazl on August 08, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
Demon cannot touch Quran; never can he imagine to try out the meaning of 9:103.
Please there should be some sane one to discuss.
Are the majority of Muslims in the world demons to you? Probably. The majority of Muslims probably understand that verse is talking to a figure called Muhammed, who is considered the Prophet of Islam.
They also probably, when seeing that, don't imagine he was robbing the poor and sick for 2000USD (or what was equivalent back then in their economy) to pray to Allah.
They would also find it odd that he might make himself an intercessor with Allah, when the Qur'an is clear and sharp about intercessor's and intercessory prayers.
Noah could not save his own son, do you think it was due to a lack of faith on his part?
Muhammed was told he can not guide the one's he loves even. Was it that he was faithless?
Why not then, with your faith and love, can you not bring this demon to stop telling you "stop robbing the poor in exchange for anything drfazl, stop making yourself an intercessor"? Could it be that I tell you these things out of "faith and love" while your robbing of the poor is out of a lack of faith in God in fact? Why? Because if you were genuine, you would not need them to pay you so much in order to survive in the world, in fact you might lose a little weight and it might look good on you to be something other than a criminal thief who charges people for ALLAH'S WORK. Right?
'Demon' never said 'Demons'
Follow not majority is Allah's word of warning; demon will not heed.
Any one other than the demon, welcome.
Quote from: drfazl on August 08, 2015, 11:35:15 AM
'Demon' never said 'Demons'
Made me laugh, and good response!
I'm glad you're back.
Why am I glad you're back? Because while you're busy with me, you at least aren't robbing the poor. This is how I mercifully protect you from further sin, but it is hard to know my love and care!
Now drink from the ____ of mercy, miracle child!
I had to censor the word "nipple" apparently. Jeez.
Quote from: FreedomStands on August 08, 2015, 11:38:47 AM
Made me laugh, and good response!
I'm glad you're back.
Why am I glad you're back? Because while you're busy with me, you at least aren't robbing the poor. This is how I mercifully protect you from further sin, but it is hard to know my love and care!
Now drink of this cruel seeming mercy, miracle child! That you are simply being told not to do wrong!
Oops, somehow re-posted that differently.
Hey! Whose will was that? Speak up people, who just willed that? I want to know which of you just willed that to happen! I know you're out there!
Quote from: DrGm on August 07, 2015, 07:30:19 PM
announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim
Yes, drfazl teaches the Qur'an the way he lives. That is why he uses examples from the Qur'an to try to justify his asking money from the poor and sick to pray on their behalf as an intercessor, when prayer should never be charged for or religious thing, and even so it teaches a wrong lesson to the people who are already prone to taking humans as intercessors (in India). He even admitted they used to call him a "God" and he never stopped in that or fled from it, but has taken it to the next level with them and even robs them for it.
The people believe he has magic powers, and if he does, why doesn't he be a good boy and go and heal the people without charging them? Walk through the streets praying to God and everyone in Tamilnadu healed? Instead he eats wealth from the poor and sick and needy in an enormous amount (2000USD is expensive for Americans even, and he is charging the people of Tamilnadu).
I'm honored to be called a demon, is he honored to be called a bloated snake?
Why? Because in the olden days, they used to at times have a snake in a pit or a crocodile or something, which they gave "alms" to and fed until it reached an enormous size. This kind of creature is mentioned in the Bible, and was known to the Egyptians, and there are stories about other such creatures, it is a theme in some stories.
They would go to this creature to ask it to pray on their behalf before God, and would feed it in reward for its healing powers. It was often a "healing snake".
I am not calling him a snake for no reason, its a deep metaphor of an actual ancient practice.
He is exactly the incarnation of that.
People come to him, giving him an enormous sum of money, for him to pray and intercede and heal them.
Quote from: faruk on August 08, 2015, 03:57:22 AM
So , the patient has to pay 2000$ after he is cured of his heart disease without being done heart surgery or before cure when he meets drfazl?
No body associate the doctor to a god except few ignorant illiterates. Usually people pray to god even before and during surgery. These people does not rely only on doctors , let alone make shirk. They know that if Allah wills (except aetheists may be), only then the operation will be successful. So many patients die during and after surgery. Doctors also know that. Doctors are merely a tool.
Exactly, just like drfazl is a tool in every sense of the word too. Except his prayers do nothing to "move" Allah.
Let us see what functions drfazl serves:
drfazl serves the function of saying or implying to the people "Allah does not create everything".
drfazl serves the function of robbing those in desperation and sickness in exchange for "prayers" he utters, also giving them the impression of being an intercessor with God.
drfazl serves the function of teaching everyone what it is to be a spreader of shirk and criminal thievery of those in desperation, and of little wealth (since the Tamilnadu population are generally not very wealthy, where 2000USD is a huge sum even for Americans)
drfazl also serves the function of encouraging the spread of disease among the people by saying "do not take any medicine, antibiotics, or medical measures to fight infections and disease"
drfazl is WITHOUT A DOUBT an agent of Allah. That does not mean he is good. Everyone is an agent and slave of Allah, serving the purpose Allah created for them to perform, and they do not fail in it in the slightest, because ALLAH does not fail in accomplishing EXACTLY as Allah wills, there is no diversion from it.
Likewise, the one known as "Demon" (that is me), is serving the function Allah intends too.
Can drfazl defy the will of Allah? Does drfazl control the will of Allah?
drfazl is the Slave of God. Just like all those who might enter the hellfire are God's slaves, and those who enter paradise as well.
To be the bound and fettered slave of God does not mean you are necessarily "good".
We see here drfazl, the robber of the poor, yet no poor person can be robbed by him or deceived by him except as Allah wills. He is just a tool.
May Allah guide us in the right path
Im a doctor by profession. When i was doing my 2nd year in mbbs i had flashes of light in eyes and frequent blackout in my sight. Went to an ophthalmologist,he diagnosed it as retinal detachment and insisted me to do a laser surgery immediately or else i will lose my sight. At that time i came to know about dr.fazl through one of my friend who was already in this way for the past 5 years. I met him in person and he taught me about believing in the unseen god, the one god - allah. He guided me to read quran and how to apply its ayats in real life. Even though born as a hindu,i realised that im in a righteous way and shed my religious practices and customs. I was trying to be in the path of quran and to make allah as my only abode. I became a humanbeing rather than a person with religious identities. Ultimately my illness in my eyes reduced day by day and atlast my dis-ease changed into ease. Then i realised and strongly believed that all the diseases are because of the dis-ease of the mind. My husband also had a fracture in his arm and got cured by allah's mercy. There are many people in tamilnadu following this way and leading a peaceful life. Escaping from adversities of modern medicine and its side effects. Money is not everything in life, poor or rich, compared to the peaceful life we get through this way, any amount of money is worth spending in this cause. Not just 2000 USD even 20000 USD for that, if allah wishes so. Drfazl is not insisting the patient to pay money first but to pay whenever the patient is blessed with money and a will to pay. Poor or rich,he initially gets whatever the patient is able to afford.
HEY FREEDOM STANDS,you dont know whats going on here. Why do u keep talking about money? Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money? What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)? Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years. Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines. They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine. As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life. Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from? ,taking help only with quran and allah.
Quote from: Inba on August 08, 2015, 02:36:05 PM
HEY FREEDOM STANDS,you dont know whats going on here. Why do u keep talking about money? Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money? What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)? Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years. Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines. They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine. As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life. Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from? ,taking help only with quran and allah.
"HEY FREEDOM STANDS"
Hi there!
",you dont know whats going on here."
Ah, yes, do inform me!
"Why do u keep talking about money?"
Because no one should ask for money for "prayers" or the work of Allah, it is like charging money for "air". It is criminal fraud. Thank you for asking.
"Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money?"
Yes, there has been one person named FreedomStands who is complaining quite a bit about drfazl robbing those in need by selling them "prayers" and the work of Allah, this is criminal fraud, it can never rightfully be sold for a price, drfazl says Allah is doing the healing then why is drfazl getting paid? If drfazl says he is doing the healing or he has some "Share" with Allah as an intercessor on behalf of people, again he is doing shirk, and the payment for shirk is not 2000USD, it is a different price.
"What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)?"
I know that you people of Tamilnadu might have a tendency towards idolatry, as did your ancestors, according to drfazl himself who said the people there tend towards taking people as Saints and Gods, an old tradition, was drfazl lying when he said this? Was history lying when they said the Tamilnadu people also have this tendency? It is a mercy of Allah, also known as Lord Shiva, that he is informing you of a better way, and maybe you will profit from the Auspicious One's recommendation that you leave off shirk. You will not be able to do it though except as Allah wills.
I am also aware that the Tamilnadu people are not in a condition economically where 2000USD is a small sum, especially considering 2000USD is a huge amount of money even in the USA, whereas the Tamilnadu has a much lower level of economy and money at this time so 2000USD is even huger over there. Even if drfazl charged 1 rupee or less, one micro unit, or a grain of grass for "prayers" that Allah performs and enacts, this would be a crime, even more so if he is saying he deserves such a payment, of even a grain of dust, because of some intercessory involvement of his. He is here to show you what it is to be an "accursed" one perhaps. So view it carefully. That does not mean the "prayers don't work", no, but Allah can make it appear to people in order that they are proven as harboring idolatrous thoughts or are promoters of shirk.
"Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years."
Good, I have no problem with people not having a trace of medicine in their blood. Why don't you read carefully what my issues are? Maybe you will learn something "Inba" and the same goes for "Raul" and the rest of you.
"Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines."
That is fine. Even if there were to be medicines involved, Allah is the creator of everything, there is no other creator, try to get it past any idolatry that might be harbored in your skull. That does not mean "medicines are necessarily always good", that is not my argument here, if you would pay attention at all to what I am saying.
"They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine."
Fine by me, to hell with it. Do you think I have some problem with that? You have misread me entirely, so pay attention.
"As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life."
Yes, did you also get a PHD in shirk that tells you that Allah did not create everything whatsoever good and bad?
"Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from?"
lol I don't take medicines and I haven't taken them for a long time and I avoid them too. You don't understand my statements, pay attention, or is drfazl's bloated figure blocking your view?
",taking help only with quran and allah."
There is no help except through Allah (be it antibiotics or otherwise, All is from Allah, there is no such thing as "not from Allah, Allah didn't create this"). Thus, 2000USD given to drfazl does not benefit you, but it does harm you by reducing your wealth. He has no part or "share" in the healing of you when it is "prayer" and Allah only doing it, so he defrauds people by taking money in this regard and is a criminal, a liar, and turns people towards shirk by saying "Allah did not create everything" and implying that he is some sort of intercessor with God who prays on behalf of people because their prayer doesn't work but his does or any other thoughts people may come to based on his actions.
Do you understand? Probably not.
Quote from: Inba on August 08, 2015, 02:36:05 PM
May Allah guide us in the right path
HEY FREEDOM STANDS,you dont know whats going on here. Why do u keep talking about money? Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money? What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)? Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years. Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines. They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine. As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life. Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from? ,taking help only with quran and allah.
Are you really a doctor? I doubt.
If you are a doctor , you should know that before modern medicine and even before Quran and Islam people were having natural birth and there was no medicine in their blood. All People were not dying of disease , because they were not even aware of Quran. Then what is the implication of modern medicine?
From Adam to 20th century total population of the world reached 1 billion. But in only last 100years population increased six fold to 6billion. why? Because of modern medicine. How?
Before Thousands of People were dying of diseases like plague , cholera , malaria . Villages after villages , towns after towns were extinct In 19th century European population was halved due to plague. During wars most wounded soldiers were dying because of infection. Those things are not happening now because of modern medicine.
You are talking about vaccines. Do you know how many people were dying of small pox even 60-70 years ago? Now none. Is this fluke? Polio? Measles? Tetanus? Flu? I can go on and on describing how modern medicine bring benefit to human kind.
Don't talk rubbish like drfazl. I heard one of his lectures on you tube. He is talking the same rubbish like you. I doubt that he is a doctor.
Quote from: faruk on August 08, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Are you really a doctor? I doubt.
If you are a doctor , you should know that before modern medicine and even before Quran and Islam people were having natural birth and there was no medicine in their blood. All People were not dying of disease , because they were not even aware of Quran. Then what is the implication of modern medicine?
From Adam to 20th century total population of the world reached 1 billion. But in only last 100years population increased six fold to 6billion. why? Because of modern medicine. How?
Before Thousands of People were dying of diseases like plague , cholera , malaria . Villages after villages , towns after towns were extinct In 19th century European population was halved due to plague. During wars most wounded soldiers were dying because of infection. Those things are not happening now because of modern medicine.
You are talking about vaccines. Do you know how many people were dying of small pox even 60-70 years ago? Now none. Is this fluke? Polio? Measles? Tetanus? Flu? I can go on and on describing how modern medicine bring benefit to human kind.
Don't talk rubbish like drfazl. I heard one of his lectures on you tube. He is talking the same rubbish like you. I doubt that he is a doctor.
Haha, the "How?" and "why?" stuff reminded me of me!
The demon is still beating about the bush. He cannot give even ordinary translation to 9:103.
First translate, as ordinarily as possible; that is sufficient. But demon cannot even get near to such a try, leave alone understanding it. That is a far cry.
Quote from: drfazl on August 08, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
The demon is still beating about the bush. He cannot give even ordinary translation to 9:103.
First translate, as ordinarily as possible; that is sufficient. But demon cannot even get near to such a try, leave alone understanding it. That is a far cry.
lol I hate when you do this repeating business. I already answered you in regard to that verse! You always go repeating the same thing and saying I'm not answering just because the answer isn't what you like.
The verse says:
9:101
And among those around you of the bedouins (are) hypocrites and (also) from people (of) the Madinah. They persist in the hypocrisy, not you know them, We [We] know them. We will punish them twice then they will be returned to a punishment great.
9:102
And others have confessed their faults, they have mingled a good deed and an evil one; may be Allah will turn to them (mercifully); surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:103
Take from their wealth a charity, purifying them and cause them increase by it, and bless [upon] them. Indeed, your blessings (are a) reassurance for them. And Allah (is) All-Hearer, All-Knower.
Ok.
Now is that clear for you?
It does not say "drfatzl, take their wealth"!
It says to Muhammed, the Messenger (not you), that the people around him have done such and such, so take charity. This is a message to the Messenger, and not telling him to devour their wealth to increase his own, but if he takes charity it is very likely to mean HE DISPERSES IT ON THEIR BEHALF. There are many organizations that do this and individuals. Haven't you heard? You give them money for zakat and they spread it and bring it to the poor. This is a normal and old practice. Even so, if the Prophet was devouring the wealth himself, which is doubtful, those were instructions to the Prophet, and EVEN SO, it is DOUBTFUL they were giving anything like 2000USD each in an economic comparison.
So let us re-iterate:
1. In proper context it is talking about some event in the past regarding the Bedouins and some action that had occurred.
2. The instructions were to the Prophet, not to you or "the believers" even.
3. The instructions were related to a certain incident and people and said to the Prophet, not the believers at large.
4.The taking of charity did not necessarily mean it was being devoured by Muhammed, it is a common practice to take goods and charity on behalf of people and be the dispersal agent of the charity, this is likely what was happening.
5. If Muhammed was devouring their wealth, even so, those were instructions to him and not the believers, and even so it is unlikely anything like "2000USD each" was the "fee" or anything comparable at all to that which is a huge sum today, especially for the people of Tamilnadu, and no one has the right to ask for a fee for "prayers" and the work of Allah. Nor to imply intercession by doing so, that is a terrible thing.
So the demon has answered you, yet again, and I answered you regarding this before as well.
1. You are not dealing with those particular Bedouins who had done wrong.
2. You are not the Messenger, Muhammed. Let me remind you, you are Fazlur Rahman, the one who resembles the "fattened snakes" of old, as I mentioned to you and explained, there were people who used to feed crocodiles and snakes in order that the snakes and crocodiles help them in healing them, they would become monstrous in size at times by devouring these gifts, at other times priests were said to devour these things, these were considered bad practices by believers apparently.
3.It is wrong to take money for the work of Allah, and to take 2000USD or even a grain of grass for "prayers" recited, and it is wrong to imply or set yourself as an intercessor the way they set up saints "pray on my behalf, O saint, because Allah does not listen to me but will listen to you".
4.Find your wealth some other way, this is wrong.
5.The revelations do not apply in this case to the "believers", were in a particular time regarding a particular incident, were said to Muhammed, were likely about the DISPERSAL OF CHARITY ON BEHALF OF OTHERS not likely about Muhammed devouring it himself when the Qur'an clearly says he does not ask for anything or charge a fee, and you are not Muhammed or the messenger EVEN IF HE DID DEVOUR THE WEALTH WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
So there you go, from all sides. Remember when Shaitan says "I will come at them from before them and behind them and from the left and the right", well this demon is simply telling you to stop sinning, which is a merciful thing to say to you, and is telling you to become upright and good finally, do not devour the wealth of people any more for "prayers" or set yourself up as an intercessor, the punishment is supposed to be hideous for such a crime.
I am not telling you anything wrong at all, I am trying to help you.
@drfazl
The situation reminds me of something I read couple of weeks ago. If I remember correctly it was either in someone's blog or at some forum. The writer stated that when his grand parent died, his father told someone to recite Quran fully for it. The funniest element in the story was that he was promised money for what the writer tags as "trouble" he had to go through, meaning reciting Quran.
Don't you think you are basically treating the prayer you do for others in the same way? I mean when money gets involved with prayer it hints
money compensation=prayer
trouble
How do you manage when the illness ends the patient's life?
And what would you say about the fact that we in US have no polio and diphtheria anymore because of vaccines?
Quote from: Inba on August 08, 2015, 02:36:05 PM
Im a doctor by profession. When i was doing my 2nd year in mbbs i had flashes of light in eyes and frequent blackout in my sight. Went to an ophthalmologist,he diagnosed it as retinal detachment and insisted me to do a laser surgery immediately or else i will lose my sight.
It sounds like your ophthalmologist was incompetent or trying to make some money from you (assuming they would be paid for laser surgery). Your symptoms more likely indicate a migraine, subset of which is "retinal/ocular migraine".
Whilst persistent flashes of light can indicate retinal detachment, it is extremely rare to get it in both "eyes" at the same time, and unheard of to also get "frequent blackouts", as once the retina detaches it would be black permanently.
Migraines come and go, and periods of remission are common.
I recommend going to someone who is competent and not trying to scam you for money.