peace all,
New article:
Quran and 2:184 - what is the correct translation?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-sawm-fasting.html
Excellent analysis!
It is not often one agrees fully with some interpretations.
With this one Wakas, it mirrors my exact understanding of the verse.
Another important point I take from this verse is that GOD knows us inside out , and has left us with no doubt whatsoever that fasting is very beneficial to us.
Our weakness is always to look for ways around things especially if we see any leeway. Our excuses are many when we do not like or want to do certain things.
What I found from fasting is the long term battle we win with our body and its desires plus the healing of the organs with resting from food ,drinks...etc is the ultimate reward.
The benefit of fasting is real.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
indeed very intelligently written and i have same view about 2:184.
brother WAKAS can you also detailed your analysis on 2:187 thats the core /important thing to discuss..
i just struggled in part وكلوا واشربوا if its metaphorical term for enjoying something including food/sex or its literally meanings consumption of FOOD/DRINK.. or consumption/doing of SEX
with crosscheck QURAN may consider it as metaphorical example eating (INTEREST 2:275) eating (MONEY 2:188)...eating (properties of orphan 4:2).
in metaphorical terms of enjoying the provisions of HEREAFTER life too (69:24,77:43)...
same like salat you can also gather data about (SOUM) and if possible can we understand what was the (soum) of people before us any historical record ?
God bless us all.
If you're looking to ransom your fast or to just donate to the poor you can sponsor an orphan here https://sponsor.zakat.org
Salam?
Agreed to brother Waqas' point of view. Would like to put my thoughts additionally. The phrase کتب علیکم is also used for qisas قصاص and qital قتال which seem volunteer acts and do not fall under فرض/obligation category.
I have a concern regarding the word فعدۃ. Does it mean a waiting till other days of Ramadan/next Ramadan? Or a counting of any other days after Ramadan? Thank you for your reply in advance
Peace!
Salam!
Another point needs some clarification and that is عاکفون فی المساجد. Where can i find its details while the meanings of the word masjid are not finalized?
Peace!
Quote from: Wakas on May 10, 2019, 08:09:39 AM
peace all,
New article:
Quran and 2:184 - what is the correct translation?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-sawm-fasting.html
A timely reminder since some may be fasting at the moment.
Quote from: Wakas on April 26, 2020, 03:37:01 AM
A timely reminder since some may be fasting at the moment.
Peace...
Good article... Explained most matters clearly... And comparisons are precise...
But I wish if the article includes the following since the article heading is 2:184
1... When to fast
2.... How many days to fast...
These are very essential... Though all my lives eversince I started fasting I fasted conventional way but now I feel three days would do...
That's for me and don't take anyone as guidance... Follow what is good for you... Coz I don't find crystal clear from Quran or any research of Quran the exactness...
I fast three days based on comparison verse of 2:203 which perfectly make sense for me... And various other comparisons...
May God guide us and correct us while we look for the truth and not misguidance.... Let God make our pure intention come true with truth ..
If what I fasted in the past a complete month is right then God won't discard what I did in the past... Any how we all have fasted though it not mandatory..
I have a sort of strong feeling that the phrase "Ayya'min ma'du'dath" is a well known Arabic phrase for three days especially for fixed matters... I feel It was a traditional way of calling instead of three days when the Quran was revealed in that particular community and around... Same as we call a decade for 10 years...
So instructions from God to the people who were the immediate recipients were crystal clear....
Unfortunately time elapsed and traditions changed and language meanings altered and added and omitted and so on to adapt to changing of time.... Not to discard Satans influence as well...
This is what makes so hard for current communities to grasp certain meanings of words and phrases within Quran.... But it can be intentional from God's side for certain people....
It's not the certain instructions that is ambiguous or unclear in Quran but the current language and traditions don't suit with Quranic language .... After all it was revealed to that community mainly targeting of their own issues and explanations of the past as well... But it is guidance for believers of all time in general.. . At least having such a book preserved is mercy Of God for us though we are not fortunate to live with a Prophet Messenger to pose our questions and get responded...
2:203 "And remember Allah during [specific] numbered days. Then whoever hastens [his departure] in two days - there is no sin upon him; and whoever delays [until the third] - there is no sin upon him - for him who fears Allah. And fear Allah and know that unto Him you will be gathered."
Can anyone say exactly how many days what is highlighted if not three? In case if not three for how many days one should do and why?
3."...and upon those who are capable of it* (i.e. sawm) a ransom feeding a poor person..."
*with the implication being they choose not to.
This third option seems to make more sense.
However, one can ask this question ( including the 3 options) : What about the poor people ? Are they concerned by syam ? A poor who cannot afford to have food can't syam, right ?
translations (option 2 and 3) raises another question : what about people with chronic illnesses ? They can't fast all the year for some of them if syam means fastIng.
However many exegetes claim 2:185 abrogated 2:184 because 2:185 does not mention this exemption thus they take this to mean it is not longer allowed and sawm is obligatory upon all except those ill/traveling
Some people are not able to fast at all. Seems difficult (if not impossible) for them to fast another days. How can people decide what verse abrogates another ( if really some verses agrogate others verses).
peace,
Welcome to the forum.
Quote from: Fadiva on April 29, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
A poor who cannot afford to have food can't syam, right ?
If the poor person is alive then they are getting food somehow so I do not see why the verse would not be applicable to them also.
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translations (option 2 and 3) raises another question : what about people with chronic illnesses ? They can't fast all the year for some of them if syam means fastIng.
Let's take diabetes type 1 as an example (type 2 is completely reversible for most people through diet/lifestyle changes), and let's say this type 1 diabetic needs regular insulin injections to maintain blood-sugar. I personally do not consider these injections, or even a prescription drug pill, as a food/drink so they may still be able to sawm.
If there genuinely is a lifelong condition which makes fasting impossible or risky then there is few ways to look at this verse:
Substitute other days to fast and if there is no day when one is not ill then one does not need to fast and the rest of the verse may not apply (as it only talks of those who are able to do sawm, not those unable). Bear in mind verses [6:165 one can only work with that they have i.e. case-dependent to some degree, 64:16 do what one is able, 48:17 leeway for those ill etc].
Or interestingly, the verse could cover such a scenario as it says "whoever volunteers better" so if one thinks they do not fall into any category or will never be able to substitute days then they can volunteer better than doing nothing if they wish to, each to their own capacity.
As always, this is my take. Each to their own.
peace,
Welcome to the forum.
If the poor person is alive then they are getting food somehow so I do not see why the verse would not be applicable to them also.
Thank you. Peace.
My fault. I didn't express explicitely what I had in mind: I was wondering how to consider the third option of translation if a poor ( needy) person decided not to syam as he can't compensate by feeding another poor person unless his situation changes.
Let's take diabetes type 1 as an example (type 2 is completely reversible for most people through diet/lifestyle changes), and let's say this type 1 diabetic needs regular insulin injections to maintain blood-sugar. I personally do not consider these injections, or even a prescription drug pill, as a food/drink so they may still be able to sawm.
Not sure that type 2 is completely reversible (depends on the persons and how long they have been suffering diabete). About type 1, some people needs several injections at different times in the day (they are given timing) and must eat some minutes after. Anyway, doctors know more than us.
If there genuinely is a lifelong condition which makes fasting impossible or risky then there is few ways to look at this verse:
Substitute other days to fast and if there is no day when one is not ill then one does not need to fast and the rest of the verse may not apply (as it only talks of those who are able to do sawm, not those unable). Bear in mind verses [6:165 one can only work with that they have i.e. case-dependent to some degree, 64:16 do what one is able, 48:17 leeway for those ill etc].
Or interestingly, the verse could cover such a scenario as it says "whoever volunteers better" so if one thinks they do not fall into any category or will never be able to substitute days then they can volunteer better than doing nothing if they wish to, each to their own capacity.
As always, this is my take. Each to their own.
This can respond to the questions. Allah knows best.
Quote from: Fadiva on April 29, 2020, 04:23:23 PM
Not sure that type 2 is completely reversible (depends on the persons and how long they have been suffering diabete). About type 1, some people needs several injections at different times in the day (they are given timing) and must eat some minutes after. Anyway, doctors know more than us.
Type2 is completely reversible in most patients. Please see this article (https://nutritionfacts.org/2018/09/20/how-to-reverse-type-2-diabetes/).
Quote from: Wakas on April 29, 2020, 05:38:31 PM
Type2 is completely reversible in most patients. Please see this article (https://nutritionfacts.org/2018/09/20/how-to-reverse-type-2-diabetes/).
I will read it inch Allah.
Quote from: Wakas on May 10, 2019, 08:09:39 AM
peace all,
New article:
Quran and 2:184 - what is the correct translation?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-sawm-fasting.html
It's that time of the year....... apparently. Bump.
Quote from: Wakas on April 17, 2021, 04:24:17 AM
It's that time of the year....... apparently. Bump.
Do you have the source for this:
QuoteTraditional understandings of 2:184 openly admit that it was common for followers to choose not to fast and fidya instead by feeding a poor person.
please see Ibn Kathir tafseer:
http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Baqara/The-various-Stages-of-Fasting
http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Baqara/The-Fidyah-Expiation-for-bre---
Quote from: Wakas on February 02, 2022, 01:43:37 PM
please see Ibn Kathir tafseer:
http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Baqara/The-various-Stages-of-Fasting
http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Baqara/The-Fidyah-Expiation-for-bre---
Thanks :)
Traditional time of the year, hence the bump:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-sawm-fasting.html
https://youtu.be/_JL3bs_qhPM
Pls watch this video... I suddenly I come accross this video today morning and I am pleased with 95% what he says.. Long video but pls watch gradually... Perhaps it may help you all. .perhsps you know this person already... It doesn't matter but try to take the truth if he sounds truthful according to Quran...