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Started by alicemagellan, March 19, 2024, 04:04:51 PM

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For your thought and considerations

In the reality of Allah The Beneficent The Ever Giving

Reality, attributes or names?
                       -names are for people/things that we personified
                       -attributes are for matters or things that are created
                       -reality is for non-being that is real
                       -for The One is real
                       -so I believe it's reality

PRL
Siin-Miim-Waw = to be high/lofty, raised, name, attribute. samawat - heights/heavens/rain, raining clouds. ismun - mark of identification by which one is recognised. It is a derivation of wsm (pl. asma). ism - stands for a distinguishing mark of a thing, sometimes said to signify its reality.

So what is Allah?       -it's universal
                        -it's all encompassing
                        -it's all powerful
                        -it's all dominance
                        -it's self-sustenance
                        -it leads to one source

What source?            -identified by the knowledgeable/scientist
                        -the knowledgeable/the scientist
                        -Isaac Newton           -F=ma            -prima cause
                        -Einstein      -E=mc²           -Energy to matter   
                        -Riess/Perlmutter       -dark Energy   -cannot explain
                                                -dark Matter    -cannot explain

Evidence?               -hypoglycemia   
                        -blood sugar (glucose) level is lower than normal
                        -glucose is your body's main Energy source
                        -often related to diabetes condition
                        -but other drugs and a variety of conditions
                        -can cause low blood sugar
                        -in people who don't have diabetes
                        -evidences of hypoglycemia
                          -without Energy supply
                          -shakiness, dizziness, sweating
                          -inability to concentrate
                          -feeling tired, hungry, tingling lips
                          -feeling shaky or trembling
                          -pounding heartbeat (palpitations)
                          -becoming easily irritated
                          -tearful, anxious or moody
                          -turning pale, weakness
                          -blurred vision, confusion
                          -difficulty concentrating
                          -unusual behavior, slurred speech
                          -clumsiness, feeling sleepy, seizures or fits
                          -collapsing or passing out, lead to death
                          -we can't survive without Energy
                        -Allah-without Allah sustaining us, we don't exist
                        -Energy-without Energy sustaining us, we don't exist
                        -Ar-Rabb-without Ar-Rabb regulating us, we don't exist
                        -Energy-without Energy regulating us, we don't exist
                        -Al-Khalaq-without Al-Khalaq creating us, we don't exist
                        -Energy-without Energy creating us, we don't exist
                        -Ar-Rahman-without Ar-Rahman generosity, don't exist
                        -Energy-without Energy generosity to us, we don't exist
                        -Ar-Rahim-without Ar-Rahim ever giving, we don't exist
                        -Energy-without Energy ever giving to us, we don't exist
                        -Ar-Razzaq-without Ar-Razzaq -providing, we don't exist
                        -Energy-without Energy providing for us, we don't exist
                        -Al-Kahar-the All Powerful controlling the whole universe
                        -Energy-the Energy controlling the whole universe
                        -Al-Hayyat-The Eternal forever supplying life to the created
                        -Energy-The Energy forever supplying life to the created
                        -Al-A'lim-All-Knowing knows everything
                        -Energy-needed in all awareness/knowing
                        -and many more realities

Ref from Al-Quran?      -43:82   The One performs as Regulator of the universe and the earth, Regulator of
                                the dominion over and above whatever they ascribed.

Ref from Gospel?        -chapter 17
                           The One Sustaining/Allah   is a life without which there is naught that
                                liveth; so great that he filleth all and is everywhere. The One alone hath
                                no equal. The One hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but
                                to everything hath he given a beginning, and to everything shall The One
                                give an end. The One hath no father nor mother; The One hath no sons. nor
                                brethren. nor companions. And because The One Sustaining/Allah   hath no
                                body, therefore he eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not,
                                moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that he is
                                incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the simplest substance. The One 
                                is so good that he loveth goodness only; he is so just that when he
                                punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid

Other evidence?         -bestow us everything, sustain us every moments
                        -bestowing us Energy, in the form of hydro-carbon
                        -The One's provision is all about Energy
                        -in various form
                        -sustaining human requires Energy
                        -regulating human by supplying Energy
                        -creating human/matters requires Energy
                        -providing benefits for human with Energy
                        -the whole of universe is Energy

Scientific evidence?   -the whole universe made of Energy
                       -three types of substances
                       -68% dark(unknown) Energy
                       -27% dark(unknown) Matter
                       -5% matter (known)
                       -Matter converted from Energy into Matter
                       -Matter such as stars, planets, all creations
             -anything that occupies space and has mass
                       -atoms and compounds
                       -all made of very small parts of matter
                       -all physical objects are composed of matter
                       -observed property of matter is its state or phase
                       -classical states of matter are solid, liquid and gas
                       -mass and Energy are interchangeable
                       -mass is merely a manifestation of Energy
                       -everything is simply Energy
                       -stored in mass particle form

What is the            -Energy evolves into Matter
fundamental here?      -start with ∞E= mc² + infinity
                       -the Inflation period started by big bang
                       -high Energy Particle Reaction Period
                       -formation of Nuclei, formation of atoms
                       -formation of galaxies/stars, expansion of Universe
                       -fission/fusion of hydrogen and helium in the stars
             -the Energy we encounter and use every day
                       -been with us since the beginning of the universe
                       -sub-atomic particles, fusion of hydrogen
                       -from nuclear reactions in the heart of the Sun/star
                       -always will be with us
                       -from Energy The One created matter

Evidence from          -Genesis 1:27
The Revelation?             So The One created mankind in The One's own image, in the image of The One
                            created them; male and female The One created them
                       
                       -image
                         mental representation or idea
                         representation or likeness of a person or something or a reality, especially in
                         sculpture. an optically formed reproduction of an object, one formed by a lens or
                         mirror, a person or thing
                       -synonyms
                         likeness, semblance, depiction, representation, reflection, likeness
                       -as example The One creates, man also creates
                       -but The One realities are absolute and indefinite
                       -man's ability is limited and definite

What is dark Energy?   -dark Energy
                       -dark means unknown
                       -approximately 68% of the universe
                       -associated with the vacuum in space
                       -distributed evenly throughout the universe
                       -not only in space but also in time
                       -its effect is not diluted as the universe expands
                       -we can't see dark Energy
                       -only to see its effects in the movement of galaxies
                       -dark Energy (using the scientist's term)
                       -dark Energy expand the universe
                       -approximately 68% of the universe
                       -vs 27% dark(unknown) Matter
                       -dark as in unknown
                       -The One control the One's domain with trellis
                       -The One is Energy

What is dark Matter?   -dark means unknown
                       -Matter is Energy
                       -27% dark(unknown) Matter
                       -hold the universe together
                       -The One control the One's domain with trellis
                       -The One is Matter/Energy
                       -particles that do not absorb, reflect or emit light
                       -cannot be detected
                       -by observing electromagnetic radiation
                       -material that cannot be seen directly
                       -know that dark matter exists by the effects
                       -effect it has on objects that we observe directly

Other proof?           -that is the ultimate proof
                       -statement from The One
                       -proof from science
                       -51: 47
                             And the universe I constructed it with strength, and I am expanding it.
                     
                       -notice the expression 'I constructed it'
                       -'I am expanding it'
                       -a direct self-proclamations
                       -signifying the fact Allah is Energy
                       -Allah/The Sustainer construct the universe strongly
                       -Allah/The Sustainer is expanding it
                       -what the scientist found out
                       -dark Energy/dark Matter
                       -we can't see dark Energy/dark Matter
                       -only to see its effects in the movement of galaxies
                       -dark Matter hold the universe together
                       -The One control the One's domain with trellis
                       -dark Energy expands the universe
                       -The One is Matter/Energy
                       -come the final era of expansion period
                       -The One continues providing us with Energy
                       -with consciousness we harness The Energy for life
                       -The One is everything to us
                       -Omnipotence, Omnipresence and Omniscient
                       -describes the wholeness of The One

Anything from the     -kavod is glory, radiation power of The One
previous scripture?   -the resulting radiation from The Energy

                      -Exodus 33:18-22
                      -(18) Moses said 'I beseech Thee, shew me Thy glory'
                      -(19) He said 'I will make all my goodness pass before Thee and I will proclaim
                              Thy name before Thee and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious and
                              will show mercy on whom I will show mercy'
                      -(20) and The One said 'thou canst not see my appearance; fore there shall no man
                              see me and live'
                      -(21) and The One said 'behold there is a place by me and thou shalt stand upon a
                              rock'
                      -(22) 'and it shall come while my kavod/glory/radiation passeth by that I will put
                              thee in a clift of the rock and will cover thee with my protection while I
                              pass by'
                       
                      -Exodus 34:5
                      -(5)  and The One descended in the cloud and stood with The One there and
                              proclaimed the reality of The One
                       
                      -Exodus 34:29-35
                      -(31) and Moses called upon them and Aaron and all the chief of the congregations
                              returned unto him and Moses talked to them
                      -(32) afterward all the children of Israel came nigh and he gave them in
                              commandment all thet The One had spoken with him in the mount Sinai
                      -(33) till Moses done speaking with them he put a vail on his face
                      -(34) but when Moses went in before The One to speak with The One he took the vail
                              off until he came out. And he came out and spoke unto the children of Israel
                              that which he was commanded
                      -(35) and the children of Israel saw the face of Moses that the skin of Moses face
                              shone; and Moses put the vail upon his face again until he went in and spoke
                              with him

From Al-Quran?        -listen to CLARIFICATION from THE ONE
                      -112  Al-Ikhlas- The Clarification
                             Say "The One is The One Sustaining, the Singularity.
                             The One Sustaining/Allah, the Eternal.
                             The One neither created nor be recreated,
                             Nor is there to The One any equivalent."

                      -then the first discovery
                      -Nicola Carnot proved the surah
                      -Al-Ikhlas, the Clarification
                      -1st law of thermodynamic
                      -Energy never created nor destroyed
                      -equal The One Sustaining/Allah

                      -2nd law of thermodynamic
                      -Energy only changes form
                      -from one form to another = Allah
                      -Law of evolution and entropy

Reference from         -8:17
Al-Quran?                 It was not you who killed them, but it was The One Sustaining/Allah who killed
                          them. And it was not you who threw when you threw, but it was The One
                          Sustaining/Allah who threw. That The One may bestow upon those convinced an
                          excellent reward. The One Sustaining/Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

Evolution & Entropy?  -stared by Rudolf Clausius 1888
                      -2nd law of thermodynamic
                      -the flow of heat is a one-way process
                      -dS/dt≥0, the quality of Energy
                      -entropy approaching zero
                      -as Energy is transferred or transformed
                      -more and more wasted
                      -a natural tendency of any isolated system
                      -to degenerate into a more disordered state
                      -Ludwig Boltzman 1906, S=klogW
                      -probability approach-vibration and probability
                      -atom and vibration
                      -molecular vibration transfers the heat out
                      -left by itself the universe will get messier
                      -chaos will increase
                      -thing will move from order to chaos
                      -law of evolution and entropy
                      -Ludwig Boltzman proved the surah
                      -Al-Ikhlas, the Clarification
                      -chaos is the fate of everything
                      -entropy is the measure of thing/chaos increasing
                      -no escape entropy and disorder
                      -the universe itself is mortal
                      -maximum entropy, maximum disorder
                      -finally, death of every creation
                      -recreation of order is manipulation of Energy
                      -the form of concentrated Energy – the sun
                      -the hydrogen atom
                      -fusing the hydrogen atom into helium
                      -star, consume concentrated Energy to be alive
                      -when the hydrogen supply runs out
                      -the star will go supernova
                      -end of concentrated Energy, start of big crunch
                      -the expansion of the universe eventually reverses
                      -the universe re-collapses
                      -the cosmic scale factor to reach zero
                      -all creations are mortal
                      -except The One Sustaining/Allah
                      -The One Sustaining/Allah, The Eternal
                      -not God, Lord, Master, Deity, Holiness or Father

Why not god?         -god is a personification of man into deity
                      -Greco-Roman mythology
                      -the Christian mythology of Jesus
                      -in Judaism it became Elohim or plural god
                      -due to Greco-Roman influence
                      -referred to HE in Islam reflecting personification
                      -ritualism monopolise all the monotheistic religion
                      -god is from Greek theology

Greek theology?        -Greek theology is polytheistic
                     -based on assumption many gods and goddesses
                     -range of lesser supernatural being various types
                     -a hierarchy of deities with Zeus, king of gods
                     -having a level of control over all the others
                     -god was not almighty

The English word?    -word god comes from the Old English god
                     -from the Proto-Germanic meaning of Guđán
                     -during the conversion to Christianity
                     -the Germanic tribes of Europe
                     -linguistic influences upon Christian missionaries

What's in Latin?     -Latin is called Deus
                     -cognate of the Greek θέος (Theos, 'deity')
                     -used in Latin portions of Roman Catholic masses
                     -reconstructed Proto-Indo-European ǵhu-tó-m
                     -based on the root ǵhau(ə)
                     -meant either 'to call' or 'to invoke'

What's divinities?  -in Babylonian called bel
                    -Hebrew and Canaanite: ba'al
                    -English word "lord,"
                    -the feminine (Canaanite) being Baalath, "lady"
                    -Canaanite (Ugaritic)
                    -ba'al come to take priority over el
                    -this title became associated with a religion
                    -so vile and degraded
                    -in Hebrew Baal
                    -used as a title for captains and nobles

In Hebrew?       -usage in Hebrew is different, in addition to el
                    -the plural form Elohim is used
                    -with a singular verb to indicate majesty
                    -plural of the form Eloah
                    -seen in the Elah of Aramaic
                    -The One Sustaining/Allah of Arabic
                    -due to Hebrew influence
                    -used also of gods in general

What's wrong        -everything is wrong, it signifies paganism
with god?           -compare these similar names
                    -from various Indo-European languages
                    -English: god
                    -German: gott
                    -Danish: gud
                    -Persian and Urdu: khodah
                    -these words all are phonetic forms
                    -the same initial root word
                    -from ancient pagan Indo-European language
                    -Germanic peoples    
                    -gradually converted to conviction in Jesus Christ
                    -their original word "converted"
                    -to apply to The One True Creator
                    -The Zoroastrian concept was superseded
                    -by monotheistic concept of The One True God
                    -the new converts   
                    -none of these changed names for their god
                    -rather the concept represented was changed
                    -as they were converted
                    -same pattern occurred
                    -in the Greco-Roman family of languages
                    -which inherited another Indo-European root
                    -Latin: deus
                    -Portuguese: deus
                    -Spanish: dios
                    -French: dieu
                    -all Christian names for "god"
                    -θέος (theos)
                    -word used in the Koine Greek of New Testament
                    -also used for the Greek gods of their Pantheon
                    -which means "all gods"

And the Arabs?       -when the Arabs became Christians
                    -Arabs who heard the gospel
                    -came to understand that the creator they knew
                    -in fact the only Creator, True and living Creator
                    -The One Sustaining/Allah not god 

Thus the name Allah?-in the Arabic bible is The One Sustaining/Allah
               -Arab Christians have called 'Allah"
                    -since time of Jesus
                    -this is short for Al-Lah
                    -which means simply The One Sustaining/Allah 
                    -Arabic-speaking Christians use same word for creator
                    -as revealed in the Bible
                    -Arabic-speaking Muslims use for The One Creator

Proof?               -Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version
                      "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. -Genesis 1:1 - Arabic
                    -transliteration
                      "Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "
                    -in Genesis 1:1 - Arabic Bible
                    -in John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version
                      "For God so loved the world, that . . . "
                    -in John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration
                      "Li-annhu haakadha ahabba Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . .
                    -in John 3:16 - Arabic Bible
                    -in Luke 1:30 - English Bible - King James Version
                      "Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God."
                    -in Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration
                      " Laa takhaafee, yaa Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."
                    -in Luke 1:30 - Arabic Bible
                    -in Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version
                      " son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God."
                    -in Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration
                      "bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni Allah."
                    -in Luke 3:38 - Arabic Bible
                   
                    -the Arab never called the Creator 'god'
                    -the Greek and the English do
                    -god is carried over from previous believe
                    -concept of god changed as being the creator
                    -to be the principal object of conviction
                    -god is transcendence/imminence
                    -deviation in Christianity with Trinity
                    -personification/worship, exalting the new god
                    -to the point of worship, the old ritualism
      
Any References      -In the reality of The One Sustaining/Allah
from Al-Quran?      -La illah   -is not a deity/worship/god
                    -Illa Allah   -except The One Sustaining
                   
                    -it is not 'god' except                                                            The
                    -One Sustaining/Allah 
                    -only The One Sustaining/Allah 
                    -specifically - IS NOT A DEITY/WORSHIP/ GOD
                    -specifically - ONLY THE ONE SUSTAINING/ALLAH

Directly!       -a direct declaration
                    -a universal declaration
                    -a straight Arabic

No Personification?
                  -something describes as a person
             -giving object/something human characteristics
                  -to create interesting imagery
                  -example in nursery rhyme "Hey Diddle Diddle"
                  -where "the little dog laughed to see such fun"
                  -making an object act/look like they are human
                  -giving human attributes to things that are not
                  -The Bible uses this type of figurative language
                  -better explain complex concepts
                  -create verbal pictures of the world
                  -with linguistic expression
                  -male/female gender/as plural gender
                  -personify things are protected/beautiful use "she"
                  -personify things that are a threat we use "he"
                  -lightning danced across the sky
                  -wind howled in the night
                  -the attribution of human form and characteristics
                  -to abstract concepts such as nations
                  -emotions and natural forces
                  -like seasons and the weather
                  -literary device found in many ancient texts
                  -including the Hebrew Bible and
                  -Christian New Testament

Polytheistic religions?   
                  -deities had a strong element of personification
                  -suggested by descriptions such as "god of"
                  -such as the tutelary deities for major cities
                  -survived the arrival of Christianity
                  -now as symbolic personifications
                  -stripped of religious significance
                  -god is a personification, not a person
                  -undeniable interpretation, not otherworldly tyrant
                  -if we fail to grasp this
                  -we cannot possibly understand religion
                  -and fail to understand religious differences

Humans?             -tendency to personify to better understand
                  -an entity beyond our comprehension
                  -attributes/names of their god come into picture
                  -assigning of human characteristics to a god
                  -god takes his vengeance out on us
      
What's worship?     -certain way of worshipping god such as prayer
                  -word is derived from the Old English weorþscipe
                  -to venerate worship, honour shown to an object
                  -etymologised as "worthiness or worth-ship
                  -to give, at its simplest, worth to something
                  -to praise god, to "sit" in his presence
                  -to beseech him
                  -offered a divine being or supernatural power
                  -act of expressing such fear
                  -form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
                  -extravagant admiration for
                  -devotion to an object esteem of worship

In Christianity?  -worship
                  -act of attributing honour to god
                  -New Testament used to refer to the term worship
                  -proskuneo - "to worship"
                  -means to bow down to god or kings
                  -orthodoxy in conviction
                  -meant orthodoxy in worship

Hebrew worship?    -Shachah, means to depress
                 -to bow down, to fall down flat
                 -picture of humility before Yahweh

Islamic worship? -sujud, praying, make you closer to god
                 -to depress, to bow down
                 -to fall down flat
                 -picture of humility
                 -before The One Sustaining/Allah

What about prayer?   
                 -praise, thanksgiving, and adoration
                 -act of worship, variety of forms part of ritual
                 -can be performed alone
                 -in groups take the form of a hymn
                 -formal creedal statement
                 -spontaneous utterance

Is it ritualism? -yes organised ritualism
                 -a rite, practice or observance
                 -particularly in a religion
                 -conforming to rites
                 -ceremony performed as customary way
                 -sacred, customary ways of celebrating a religion
                 -different communities have different ritual
                 -meditation in Buddhism, baptism in Christianity
                 -prayer in Islam
                 -custom, habitude, pattern, practice
                 -repeated worship becomes ritual
                 -without knowing the reasons
                 -religious or solemn ceremony
                 -invoking the name of a deity
                 -the recitation of traditional vows
                 -in a Catholic wedding ceremony
                 -observance of set forms or rites
                 -as in public worship
                 -aspect of religion
                 -believers to reaffirm their belief systems
                 -emotional control, social support
                 -community cohesion as form of control

Any References from Al-Quran?
                 -17:111  And say, "In gratitude to The One Sustaining/Allah, who has not taken a
                          son and has had no partner in dominion and has no protector out of weakness; and
                          strive/grew up with The One till maturity."
                         
                          Kaf-Ba-Ra = To be hard, be grievous, grow up, be great/large/big, to attain to
                          puberty, grow in estimation or rank or dignity, to make a thing great,
                          dispute/contend with someone for superiority in greatness, to self-magnify,
                          behave proudly/haughtily/insolently, consider oneself excellent, to exceed the
                          actions of others, to boast, endeavour or seek to become great, disdain a thing,
                          turn away from a thing with disdain, to hold oneself above a thing.

Then became religion?   
                -yes, religion   
                -middle English-origin 'life under monastic vows'
                -old French/from Latin religio(n-), obligation, bond
                -based on Latin religare 'to bind'
                -belief in/worship of superhuman power
                -system of conviction/worship esp. personal gods
                -how each religion is organized
                -belief system upholds be organised religion
                -organise themselves, their institutions,
                -organise structures in variety of fashions
                -Roman Catholic Church emerged
                -borrow organisational principles of Greco-Roman
                -turned senators into cardinals
                -Sunni and Shiite emerged
                -copy organisational Principles-Catholic Church
                -turned cardinals into clerics and mullah
                -the rest is history