Questions on Ritual Salah

[jkhan]

Some are asking me that 29:45 is salah or not?... Let me explain..

29:45
"Recite (tā lām wāw ت ل و what is revealed to you of the Book and establish connection / integrity Indeed, connection (salah) prevents immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater, and Allah knows that which you do."

If you look at the above verse,  most would say yes read Quran and perform salah... That's how we are programmed..
If you take word tā lām wāw  as RECITE here ..fine.. Of course this word has a meaning of RECITE...  but it has other meanings as well which Quran specifically used.. But actual meaning in this verse is PURSUE like in some other verses of Quran..

"Pursue what is revealed to you of the book,  and establish connection / integrity (salah), indeed connection/integrity (salah) prevents immoralities and evils, and the remembrance of Allah is greater and Allah knows that what you do."

Ritual salah never even has the capacity to prevent immoralities and evils.. It's just a movement of body... But this (salah) connection / integrity with Allah is a powerful weapon and its truthful and stands as a barricade in your heart and thus it keeps away immoralities and evils... But in the same verse Allah states more than the Connection /Salah,  the Remembrance / Zikr Allah is great.. Cuz connection is kind of fear and respect but remembering Allah is indeed greater...

Note: I don't see those who do ritual salah are with pure characters void of immoralities and evils.. It doesn't help.. At least I have seen people who try hard to prevent some basic evils from dawn to dusk while doing fasting just to safeguard their fasting but they do all evils cuz they not even aware what immoralities and evils are.. They are restricted only with sex but all evils in business and in general life and in heart  never faded off..

Nothing prevents immoralities and evils except Connection (Salah) to Allah...  And Allah didn't even mention that Siyam prevents immoralities and evils..
** some conventional Muslims do have Connection / salah with Allah for sure but they never believed in Allah without associating to Allah.  . That's unfortunate..

[Fusion]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that verse and the bigger picture about Salah and remembering Allah. It really got me thinking about how deep and complex our faith is, and how we're all trying to better understand and live by its teachings.

You made a good point about how just going through the motions with rituals isn't enough if we're not truly feeling it in our hearts. It's all about that real, deep connection with Allah, which is what really guides us to be better.

But, I also think that the physical side of these rituals, like doing Ritual Salah, has its own importance. It's not just about moving our bodies; it's a way to show our love and respect for Allah with both our minds and our physical actions. Like in the Quran, in Chapter 73, Verses 1 to 3, it talks about the special vibe of praying at night and how it's a quiet time for reflection. It shows how our physical actions in worship can really support our spiritual growth.
73:
O you wrapped ˹in your clothes˺!
Stand all night except a little 
half the night, or a little less,
or a little more—and recite the Quran in a measured way
We will soon send upon you a weighty revelation.
Indeed, worship in the night is more impactful and suitable for recitation.

Also, it's key we don't lump all Muslims together or think we're all the same, which can end up dividing us. It's like how some people might have a narrow view of Muslims based on stereotypes based on our own personal observations alone. We should remember that what really matters is what's in our hearts, and Allah knows that best. Sometimes, even when we're trying to get it right, we might end up feeling like we know better than others, but really, it's about being sincere and doing our best to follow Allah's guidance.

About the verse you mentioned (29:45), when you look into it, it's really about how following Allah's guidance isn't just about personal rituals but about setting up a way of life that helps everyone. It's about being fair, kind, and looking out for each other, which is what Islam is all about.

The way you explained that verse really highlights how Islam teaches us to live in a way that's not just good for us but good for everyone around us. It's about stopping selfishness and making sure we're all working together for the greater good.

So, yes, our faith is about finding that balance between feeling that connection with Allah in our hearts and also living it out in our actions and how we treat others.

Let's keep the conversation going and keep learning from each other. It's all about getting closer to Allah and understanding the true meaning of our faith.

[jkhan]

Some are asking me that 29:45 is salah or not?... Let me explain..

29:45
"Recite (tā lām wāw ت ل و what is revealed to you of the Book and establish connection / integrity Indeed, connection (salah) prevents immorality and wrongdoing, and the remembrance of Allah is greater, and Allah knows that which you do."

If you look at the above verse,  most would say yes read Quran and perform salah... That's how we are programmed..
If you take word tā lām wāw  as RECITE here ..fine.. Of course this word has a meaning of RECITE...  but it has other meanings as well which Quran specifically used.. But actual meaning in this verse is PURSUE like in some other verses of Quran..

"Pursue what is revealed to you of the book,  and establish connection / integrity (salah), indeed connection/integrity (salah) prevents immoralities and evils, and the remembrance of Allah is greater and Allah knows that what you do."

Ritual salah never even has the capacity to prevent immoralities and evils.. It's just a movement of body... But this (salah) connection / integrity with Allah is a powerful weapon and its truthful and stands as a barricade in your heart and thus it keeps away immoralities and evils... But in the same verse Allah states more than the Connection /Salah,  the Remembrance / Zikr Allah is great.. Cuz connection is kind of fear and respect but remembering Allah is indeed greater...

Note: I don't see those who do ritual salah are with pure characters void of immoralities and evils.. It doesn't help.. At least I have seen people who try hard to prevent some basic evils from dawn to dusk while doing fasting just to safeguard their fasting but they do all evils cuz they not even aware what immoralities and evils are.. They are restricted only with sex but all evils in business and in general life and in heart  never faded off..

Nothing prevents immoralities and evils except Connection (Salah) to Allah...  And Allah didn't even mention that Siyam prevents immoralities and evils..
** some conventional Muslims do have Connection / salah with Allah for sure but they never believed in Allah without associating to Allah.  . That's unfortunate..

Salam everyone..
Just reflect.. No compulsion at all.. I only remind with Quran..

31:17
(Luqman said) "O my son! establish CONNECTION / INTEGRITY (SALAH), and carry out what is good and restrain what is evil, and be perseverant over whatever befalls you. Indeed, that is the conduct of determination"

In fact the wise Luqman was instructing and teaching his son who Allah is and His strength and abilities and then he instructs with the above statement (31:17) and not directly command his son to do ritual prayer... Luqman already explained what God is to his son. .
Now luqman politely instructs his son to cultivate CONNECTION / INTEGRITY (salah) with Allah and to carry out good and restrain evil.. Of course while doing so much difficulties would encounter and wisely advised to be patient and persevere with self determination and that tests a will power of a person.
Luqman introduced Allah to his son in a perfect and wise manner...

If I ever have sons or daughters in my life God willing I would do the same and it is perfect kick off for a kid... And not take him or her to Masjeds and do rituals.. No way..

Note : before reading verse 31:17 pls read Luqman's advices to his son in previous verses and also continue reading up to 31:19 for better clarity.. ...

[Wakas]

peace all,

A common objection to the traditional understanding of salat=prayer is does it really prevent immorality and bad deeds? The argument is given that if done right/sincerely then yes it should prevent such. Perhaps but here is a better translation of 29:45

Recite what has been revealed to you of the writ/book and uphold the salat, Indeed the salat forbids from the immorality and bad deeds; and surely the remembrance/mentioning of God is greatest and God knows what you do.


Clearly if salat forbids XYZ then it must involve information relay i.e. conveying what is forbidden. It then begins to make sense, see articles below.

Background:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htm
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html

[Emre_1974tr]

Yes, physical salaat also purifies people physically and helps to keep them away from evil. You get a similar effect when you consume superfoods like ginseng. But the effect of salaat in this regard is completely different.

Physical salah is also our daily food. Anyone who does not perform this act of worship is doing himself a disservice in every sense of the word, he is persecuting himself.

An atheist I know in Turkey started salah just because of these benefits.


Salah purifies and cleanses you from the narcissistic energy network also. It reduces the effects of human and jinn demons on you.

[jkhan]

108:1-2
"Verily we have given you (AlKawzhar) the treasure."
"So,  get connected (salli) to your Lord and be upfront"

Here the treasure is Quran which is abundance of knowledge and wisdom and guidance... So have the connection to the Lord and be upfront in order that you can dismantle enemies (satan  and men)

@Waqas..
Forbid instead of refrain / desist / prevent ??

[Emre_1974tr]

Yes, physical salaat also purifies people physically and helps to keep them away from evil. You get a similar effect when you consume superfoods like ginseng. But the effect of salaat in this regard is completely different.

Physical salah is also our daily food. Anyone who does not perform this act of worship is doing himself a disservice in every sense of the word, he is persecuting himself.

An atheist I know in Turkey started salah just because of these benefits.


Salah purifies and cleanses you from the narcissistic energy network also. It reduces the effects of human and jinn demons on you.

Physical salaat not only treats and develops your character, but also makes a positive contribution to your physical health and happiness.

He/she who does not salah loses a lot. I have not even mentioned prayer, obligation and other parts.

[Mazhar]

Sociality is the fundamental characteristic of the created realm, matter and life both. Nothing can exist in isolation and at its own. However, Man needs to be given training and skills required for functioning successfully in the society. The par excellent social activity - event is the socialization of the Subject with the Lord-King-Sovereign. The affectionate Sovereign is he who affords opportunities to his subjects to be in his presence occasionally for sometime for paying homage and seeking blessings of him. The subjects gain strength, feel of security and confidence by being in the House of the Sovereign. It becomes subject's pride.

We as social beings living in societies and states are well aware of the protocols of Subject-Lord Contact. Timings are determined by the Lord. The Subject is required to follow the prescribed dress code and manners of speech and gestures while in the premises of Lord.

Universe is the State of the Sustainer Lord of all the created realm and we are the resident subjects of it. The Sustainer Lord, Allah the Exalted has prescribed and made it mandatory for us to contact Him everyday at intervals. This is called in Arabic:AsSalat : The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance.

http://haqeeqat.pk/Salat.htm

[good logic]

Peace All.
Those who accept the Qoran will go on to read/study it:

Read, and your Lord, Most Exalted.
اقرَأ وَرَبُّكَ الأَكرَمُ
Teaches by means of the pen.
الَّذى عَلَّمَ بِالقَلَمِ
He teaches the human what he never knew.
عَلَّمَ الإِنسٰنَ ما لَم يَعلَم

 Then ask for guidance, Your Lord tests everyone:

Indeed, the human transgresses.
كَلّا إِنَّ الإِنسٰنَ لَيَطغىٰ

The most important basis is our works ,  social responsibilities and intentions /behaviour. Freedom of choice is paramount and a right to each one of us from our Lord.
What harm comes from prayer and fasting since they are personal and do not infringe on anyone s right? Are we still debating like the past generations and not learning  on what is dividing us?

I rather highlight the things that unite and refrain from what divides. Our understanding of GOD s message is subject to GOD s knowledge not ours. GOD is the teacher of Qoran:

Then each can follow their own guidance according to their own assessment by the Lord only:

To your Lord is the ultimate destiny.
إِنَّ إِلىٰ رَبِّكَ الرُّجعىٰ
Have you seen the one who enjoins.
أَرَءَيتَ الَّذى يَنهىٰ
Others from "Salla"?
عَبدًا إِذا صَلّىٰ
Is it not better for him to follow the guidance?
أَرَءَيتَ إِن كانَ عَلَى الهُدىٰ
Or advocate righteousness?
أَو أَمَرَ بِالتَّقوىٰ

However , the debate continues for those who think there are issues with personal relationships with the Lord and His subjects.
Once on the straight path ,one follows righteousness first and advocate it as a priority. This is what unites all the believers.
The devotion to GOD and the personal relationships with the Lord come in stages to consolidate the belief and the character and is ongoing.

 I benefit from fasting and connecting daily with my Lord. I do not see it as a rigid task/ritual . My Lord has no needs and everything I try to do is for  my benefit or detriment.

Since I am entitled to my freedom of choice I have to accept that others have theirs also.
GOD bless you all.
Peace
 

[jkhan]

Salam everyone..


87:14 Certainly succeeded he who purified (Zaka).

87:15 And remembered name of his Lord and got connected (Salla)

Most would connect with God but for self benefit and to crave for their distress and then connection is disconnected and they are not constant in their connection... Just pretending / showing off.. Selfish.. That's why Allah said woe to those who got connected..

Through the constant connection with Allah,  souls /self get purified and that's why Allah has always used Sala and zaka...  Allah could have said Akimu salah wa'athu sadaqa at least once... Allah knows what the word is what He meant.. Allah has used establish connection and they spend from what we have provided.. That's absolutely fine.. But never Akim sala wa'athu  sadaqa... Cuz zaka is not a charity it's purity / purification ...and the one who truly establishes connection with Allah indeed bringsforth purity..

@brother GL..
I understand your statement.. Everyone's  action is in Allah's hand.. He knows the guided ones.. But my lovely brother Quran is guidance for those conscious.. When Allah has stated something in Quran it has its unique meaning and it cannot be taken for granted.. The believers will be guided with it for sure.. Cuz Allah won't misguide true believers.. If one takes salah as ritual bodily movement with few arabic statements from Quran and from their own as well and uttering them in salah and another takes it as Connection ie strong relationship  / bond  of integrity with Allah.. There cannot be done division in Allah's guidance.. Question is what did Allah mean by Salah? Just Believing in Allah and cultivated connection with Allah has huge difference..
Indeed Salah keeps immoralities and evils at bay.. Cuz of this connection / bond / relationship with Allah truely..
One can have connection with anyone.. Connections are common.. But when that connection is utmost and real, then story is different.. Let me bring few analogy to bring to light better..
For example.. If a husband has cultivated true connection / bond / relationship which is full of integrity then even any woman try to seduce him, would not work out cuz his wife's face will come infront of him cuz the connection is too strong.. His heart not allow to betray and sever connection.. He refrains..
Similarly.. If two guys truly became friends and their connection cultivated to its pristine quality and everything is transparent then their bond / relationship is inseparable and genuine and falsehood won't creep in.. But imagine connection is selfish or transitory or  target oriented etc etc so this connection won't last and even it lasts it's not real...
Salah to Allah should be constant and humble and with integrity so that Allah gets connected with us even Malika ...
So to cultivate such a connection one doesn't need to do a ritual  .okay don't call it ritual if  you prefer but still we do bodily postures to get connected to Allah  . Why? it won't work out.. Our heart should get connected 24/7 ... Thus we should feel we are not betraying our connection when attempting an evil.. Cuz the one we are connected with doesn't like evil be performed.. So why we refrain that evil cuz of our relationship with Allah.. If one is constant like that indeed he will get purified impulsively...

70:23 "They upon their Connection (Salah) constant "

Moreover brother GL.. It's not about harming others.. Yes rituals of anyone won't harm mostly others and so personal but question is has Allah commanded and is that a guidance?

Sometimes my brother GL.. You might have connected well and truly with God but not with five times bodily movement but in reality you are already connected OR cultivating a true bond OR relationship but unfortunately something is propelling you to do rituals too... You have already connection...
Seek guidance... And nourish the soul.

[Emre_1974tr]

Physical salaat not only treats and develops your character, but also makes a positive contribution to your physical health and happiness.

He/she who does not salah loses a lot. I have not even mentioned prayer, obligation and other parts.

It is heresy to deny and avoid Physical salaat

Especially if you say negative things against it, it shows that you are not really a Muslim anyway.

By the way, another benefit of salaat is that it protects you from the effects of narcissistic energy vampires.

[jkhan]

2:45
"And seek help through perseverance /patience and connection (salah) and certainly, it is difficult except for the humbled ones (Khashiun) "

The Arabic word Khashiun is directly used in 23:2 with salah like "they are who in  their connection (Salah) are humble" and here in 2:45 directly used to the character of the person itself..

Here perseverance /patience is correlated with Salah (connection) when it comes to seek Help from Allah.. Life is a journey with full of tests.. Believers point of view, If you lose patience it can create havoc.. Losing patience means your connection to Allah can be disconnected ...
Allah says at the end it is difficult but not for those Khashiun (humbled people) ..
Is performing ritual salah difficult?.. Very intricate and tough rituals are practiced by most religious people in the world.. They walk on knees,  they role around on their bodies rounding their deities and even they harm their own physic..  Most easier to pray five times a day hardly five to 10 mints for a session.. But word used by Allah is (Kabeer) ie painstakingly difficult / utmost hard.. Not only salat but combination of both Salah and Sabr (Connection + patience)..  Yes indeed it is difficult to those who love this world's life... Cuz tests of life will deviate them from whatever patience and connection they would have... Burdens of tests  / life can easily slacken the connection and patimce.. But the humbled ones will maintain connection and perseverance constantly in all his tests.. There can be level of how one maintains and it depends how strong his Iman / Faith in God... All believers level is not same..

Now look at the verse again and reflect ... Is PATIENCE a ritual ? NO... Then why SALAH a ritual?  Does Allah say us to seek HELP (whatever) through Non-ritual PATIENCE and Ritual salah ie bodily postures ?  Nope..
Allah instructs us to seek help with full commitment of patience and constant connection to Allah and in the end in black and white finished the verse stating it's DIFFICULT... Except a group of people.. They know well it is not difficult. It could have been sort of difficult but not after they cultivated strong bond with Allah..

[jkhan]

31:4
"Those who establish connection (salah) and bringforth purity (zakah), and they, in the Hereafter are certain"

Okay... I brought the above verse in order to unearth logic perhaps.. we can reflect..  Let's take it in conventional translation.. So it says those pray and give obligatory charity ARE CERTAIN IN THE HEREAFTER.. Question is why?  Does that mean rich people who pray and give Zakath are certain of hereafter? Not others? Every laymen can perform ritual salah /prayers but not everyone can give Zakath whatever it is and no clue from Quran what to give as Zakath while sadaqa is detailed in black and white.. Not giving any sense to me while the successful one is who purifies his soul 91:9...

Okay let's see whether the above true translation makes sense. Connection is cultivated with Allah and he became a purified soul and this person is indeed certain in the hereafter... Doesn't it make sense?

To make translation of conventional belief even worse,  Allah has revealed a verse like below ..

41:7

"Those who do not bringforth purity (zakah), and they,  in the Hereafter are disbelieving."

Now let's take the above verse in conventional way... Yes.. Not giving obligatory charity then you disbeliever in the hereafter.. Why only Zakath becomes criteria to deduce disbelievers in the hereafter.. ?
Unconditionally, not classifying rich or poor Allah has stated those who not GIVE ZAKATH they disbelievers in the hereafter...
The truth is as 91:9 states regardless rich or poor everyone has to purify (zaka)  his soul and failing to bring forth purification in indeed in the hereafter disbelievers... Their only life is Dunya...

Note the wording of both verses and it's last statement.. As under

31:4 " ...they in the hereafter certain.. " = Purified person
41:7 " ... they in the hereafter disbelieving" = Not purified one

[good logic]

brother jkhan.

Arabic is used by GOD for Qoran for a precise and specific reason. Definitions of words that come from the same root can vary and may mean a different thing altogether.
Why translate "Salat", "The Salat" or "Aquimi Salat" as the same thing? For example:

Here are three verses that have these 3 words, yet different context and meanings:
1-73:20
Your Lord knows that you stay up/meditate...  تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ , or half of it, or one-third of it, and so do some of those who believed with you. God has designed the night and the day, and He knows that you cannot always do this. He has pardoned you. Instead, you shall read what you can of the Quran. He knows that some of you may be ill, others may be traveling in pursuit of God's provisions, and others may be striving in the cause of God. You shall read what you can of it, and observe the Salat, give the Zakat , and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever good you send ahead on behalf of your souls, you will find it at God far better and generously rewarded. And implore God for forgiveness. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
إِنَّ رَبَّكَ يَعلَمُ أَنَّكَ تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ وَنِصفَهُ وَثُلُثَهُ وَطائِفَةٌ مِنَ الَّذينَ مَعَكَ وَاللَّهُ يُقَدِّرُ الَّيلَ وَالنَّهارَ عَلِمَ أَن لَن تُحصوهُ فَتابَ عَلَيكُم فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنَ القُرءانِ عَلِمَ أَن سَيَكونُ مِنكُم مَرضىٰ وَءاخَرونَ يَضرِبونَ فِى الأَرضِ يَبتَغونَ مِن فَضلِ اللَّهِ وَءاخَرونَ يُقٰتِلونَ فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنهُ وَأَقيمُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتُوا الزَّكوٰةَ وَأَقرِضُوا اللَّهَ قَرضًا حَسَنًا وَما تُقَدِّموا لِأَنفُسِكُم مِن خَيرٍ تَجِدوهُ عِندَ اللَّهِ هُوَ خَيرًا وَأَعظَمَ أَجرًا وَاستَغفِرُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفورٌ رَحيمٌ

What is this "The Salat" here? Can you see this "The Salat" is extra as well as giving the Zakat, doing good...etc. righteousness , reading Qoran.
Acknowledge is a general term and can be done in righteousness or any other mentioned here or not mentioned. The salat is something defined ,specific and can be identified by studying other verses with "The Salat" in them.
2- 11:87
They said, "O Shu`aib, does your "Salawat" dictate upon you that we must abandon our parents' religion, or running our businesses in any manner we choose? Surely, you are known for being clement, wise."
قالوا يٰشُعَيبُ أَصَلوٰتُكَ تَأمُرُكَ أَن نَترُكَ ما يَعبُدُ ءاباؤُنا أَو أَن نَفعَلَ فى أَموٰلِنا ما نَشٰؤُا۟ إِنَّكَ لَأَنتَ الحَليمُ الرَّشيدُ

Again this "Salawat" is not "Aquimi Salat" or "The Salat" ,so the meaning is different.

3-  Or this, which is completely different to both above
33:43
He is the One who Yusalli on you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers.
هُوَ الَّذى يُصَلّى عَلَيكُم وَمَلٰئِكَتُهُ لِيُخرِجَكُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ وَكانَ بِالمُؤمِنينَ رَحيمًا

Here the context and meaning are given in the verse- Encourage/help you to come out of darkness into the light- message-.

 However ,those who know GOD and seek His path will know for sure that GOD knows everything and are in acknowledgement 24/7:

You do not get into any situation, nor do you recite/study any Qoran, nor do you do anything, without us being witnesses thereof as you do it. Not even an atom's weight is out of your Lord's control, be it in the heavens or the earth. Nor is there anything smaller than an atom, or larger, that is not recorded in a profound record.
وَما تَكونُ فى شَأنٍ وَما تَتلوا مِنهُ مِن قُرءانٍ وَلا تَعمَلونَ مِن عَمَلٍ إِلّا كُنّا عَلَيكُم شُهودًا إِذ تُفيضونَ فيهِ وَما يَعزُبُ عَن رَبِّكَ مِن مِثقالِ ذَرَّةٍ فِى الأَرضِ وَلا فِى السَّماءِ وَلا أَصغَرَ مِن ذٰلِكَ وَلا أَكبَرَ إِلّا فى كِتٰبٍ مُبينٍ

GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

brother jkhan.

Arabic is used by GOD for Qoran for a precise and specific reason. Definitions of words that come from the same root can vary and may mean a different thing altogether.
Why translate "Salat", "The Salat" or "Aquimi Salat" as the same thing? For example:

Here are three verses that have these 3 words, yet different context and meanings:
1-73:20
Your Lord knows that you stay up/meditate...  تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ , or half of it, or one-third of it, and so do some of those who believed with you. God has designed the night and the day, and He knows that you cannot always do this. He has pardoned you. Instead, you shall read what you can of the Quran. He knows that some of you may be ill, others may be traveling in pursuit of God's provisions, and others may be striving in the cause of God. You shall read what you can of it, and observe the Salat, give the Zakat , and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever good you send ahead on behalf of your souls, you will find it at God far better and generously rewarded. And implore God for forgiveness. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
إِنَّ رَبَّكَ يَعلَمُ أَنَّكَ تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ وَنِصفَهُ وَثُلُثَهُ وَطائِفَةٌ مِنَ الَّذينَ مَعَكَ وَاللَّهُ يُقَدِّرُ الَّيلَ وَالنَّهارَ عَلِمَ أَن لَن تُحصوهُ فَتابَ عَلَيكُم فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنَ القُرءانِ عَلِمَ أَن سَيَكونُ مِنكُم مَرضىٰ وَءاخَرونَ يَضرِبونَ فِى الأَرضِ يَبتَغونَ مِن فَضلِ اللَّهِ وَءاخَرونَ يُقٰتِلونَ فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنهُ وَأَقيمُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتُوا الزَّكوٰةَ وَأَقرِضُوا اللَّهَ قَرضًا حَسَنًا وَما تُقَدِّموا لِأَنفُسِكُم مِن خَيرٍ تَجِدوهُ عِندَ اللَّهِ هُوَ خَيرًا وَأَعظَمَ أَجرًا وَاستَغفِرُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفورٌ رَحيمٌ

What is this "The Salat" here? Can you see this "The Salat" is extra as well as giving the Zakat, doing good...etc. righteousness , reading Qoran.
Acknowledge is a general term and can be done in righteousness or any other mentioned here or not mentioned. The salat is something defined ,specific and can be identified by studying other verses with "The Salat" in them.
2- 11:87
They said, "O Shu`aib, does your "Salawat" dictate upon you that we must abandon our parents' religion, or running our businesses in any manner we choose? Surely, you are known for being clement, wise."
قالوا يٰشُعَيبُ أَصَلوٰتُكَ تَأمُرُكَ أَن نَترُكَ ما يَعبُدُ ءاباؤُنا أَو أَن نَفعَلَ فى أَموٰلِنا ما نَشٰؤُا۟ إِنَّكَ لَأَنتَ الحَليمُ الرَّشيدُ

Again this "Salawat" is not "Aquimi Salat" or "The Salat" ,so the meaning is different.

3-  Or this, which is completely different to both above
33:43
He is the One who Yusalli on you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers.
هُوَ الَّذى يُصَلّى عَلَيكُم وَمَلٰئِكَتُهُ لِيُخرِجَكُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ وَكانَ بِالمُؤمِنينَ رَحيمًا

Here the context and meaning are given in the verse- Encourage/help you to come out of darkness into the light- message-.

 However ,those who know GOD and seek His path will know for sure that GOD knows everything and are in acknowledgement 24/7:

You do not get into any situation, nor do you recite/study any Qoran, nor do you do anything, without us being witnesses thereof as you do it. Not even an atom's weight is out of your Lord's control, be it in the heavens or the earth. Nor is there anything smaller than an atom, or larger, that is not recorded in a profound record.
وَما تَكونُ فى شَأنٍ وَما تَتلوا مِنهُ مِن قُرءانٍ وَلا تَعمَلونَ مِن عَمَلٍ إِلّا كُنّا عَلَيكُم شُهودًا إِذ تُفيضونَ فيهِ وَما يَعزُبُ عَن رَبِّكَ مِن مِثقالِ ذَرَّةٍ فِى الأَرضِ وَلا فِى السَّماءِ وَلا أَصغَرَ مِن ذٰلِكَ وَلا أَكبَرَ إِلّا فى كِتٰبٍ مُبينٍ

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salam GL...

Sorry for delay in reply as a result of security Alert while opening this forum..

Seek with open mind lovely brother.. Don't confine as if you have been compelled.. Just relax and seek.. Having said that..
Sala utmost meaning language-wise is  closely connected like horses running side by side.. And salawat is plural of it. And aquim is just a word which can be used for anything.. Aquim can in simple way be translated as establish... And it has literal meaning of stand too.. etc..
But in Quran Allah has used the word Salah to the Quran revelation session in many verses where in fact close connection did take place.. Quran is recited / read / repeated and questions asked and replies furnished etc.. That's how this Quran was specifically revealed to believers to guide them and to follow them and get updated all revelations and its laws..etc.. A methodical way of revelations .. So in that Quran revelation sessions a connection do take place with verses of Allah.. As I explained you earlier Connection is common and can get connected with anything in life like the word salah itself means closely connected like horses running side by side.. Allah can use salah to anything. Read 9:84 it clearly states don't get connected with any of those passed away.. Ie  with their allies.. It's not ritual salah no dead bodies..
Malika get connected with believers.. Believers were instructed to get connected with prophet.. Prophet was requested to get connected with certain people who went astray and reformed to give them some assurance.. etc..

All messengers revealed their revelations in a methodical way to people in sessions.. Same When Shoib revealed his revelations also methodical way calling his people believers plus anyone to herald whatever was descended to him from Allah.. So these people asked Shoib your Salawat ie  whatever in the sessions revealed refrain us bla bla. They said..
Same salwat in 2:238 ..salawat was sessions of revelations... But what happens or the aim of session  is to have connection with revelations..
Don't complicate aquim.. It can be used on its own.. For example.. When the authority is given to believers they get connected / bonded with integrity and bringforth purity... And this is not connection with Allah like aquim Salat verses.. ... Its indeed connection to the people / community.. The verse doesn't mean those in authority they themselves connected to Allah and bringforth purity to themselves.. Nope.. Instead they get connected but with community and bringforth purity to the nation... This connection is common word and aquim as well.. Same verses in chapter 9 when it comes to disbeliiving people... Once they repent (not repent with Allah Like believers repent but general repent just cuz they are caught) get connected / cultivated good bond with believers and bringforth purity ie no more menace to the Society then just leave them on their way... 9:5... And Not when the disbelievers believed in God and connected with Allah and purified their souls.. Nope.. Lol.. Reflect bro..

Further arabic was not used for precise reason.. It was used just cuz it was revealed to arabic community.. No other reason..

regarding 73:20 I would bring one verse to compare and reflect in my next post.. It's not Zakath and Ritual prayer... You have to read Quran to understand Allah's revelation and don't complicate it.. Before bringing the phrase aquim  sala  wa'athu Zakat, Allah could mention any other instruction instead of read Quran .. So don't complicate.. For example.. Allah can say believe in Ghaib and establish Salat... Or restrain you hands establish salah 4:77..Etc.. So don't drag and deduce that since read Quran is mentioned before Aquim As-Salat it could only mean ritual salah.. Reading Quran is mandatory for a believer to reach guidance.. 

[jkhan]

Let me enlighten you all with below profound verse.. Lot to reflect in it..

2:177
"The dutifulness (AlBir) is not that you turn your attention / purpose (wajha) toward the enlightenment (Al Mashriq) or the benightedness (Al Magrib). But, the dutifulnesss is one who believed in Allah, the Last Day, Malika, the Book, and the prophets and gave wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask, and for freeing necks.  and who he established connection (salah) and broughtforth purity (zaka), and those who fulfilling their covenant when they make it, and
are perseverant in suffering and hardship and at the time of violence. Those are the ones who have attested to the truth and it is those who are the concious."

Here Salat and zakat mentioned together... But Allah has clearly explained already to give from wealth to all possible recipients in the list... And logically ponder and immediately would Allah say pray and give Zakath again? How come it makes sense to any of you who says Zakath is obligatory charity...
@GL.. This is answer to your 73:20 question in previous post .. I can't convince anyone but I can only herald message of God in its true sense God willing..

[good logic]

Peace jkhan.
If you are. sure ,then you carry on with your studies and best of luck.
I may have missed your take on 5:6, can you give your understanding on it please.
 Thanks.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

Peace jkhan.
If you are. sure ,then you carry on with your studies and best of luck.
I may have missed your take on 5:6, can you give your understanding on it please.
 Thanks.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salam..

There is nothing to wish with best of luck.. It's not decided with luck.. Indeed I am convinced and absolutely sure and aware what I speak of but also aware that it won't be easy to understand what I wrote in my every reply unless the one who understood the verses of Allah in its merit and trrue meaning.. It's okay brother keep seeking but keep space for improvement and verify what you do is what Allah meant.. And beg for tru  guidance.. That's all I can say to a fellow believer like you..

Yes.. 5:6 OR 4:43 is to ensure that no one brings any bodily odour of disturbances cuz of the situation they are in when they attend the Quran revelation session (Salah) cuz it could be directly a hamper to the gathering if some of the attendees are stinking or could well be a disturbance cuz of drinking smell and bodily odour etc.. .. But recommended best to avoid the session.. It's not a ritual cleaning but it's for the sake of others who are clean bodily and by conciousness at the gathering so everyone can keep concentration what's revealing and what's questioning etc. .. Cuz gathering is for Salah (Quran revelation. For connection) and it should have a good atmosphere free of any unwanted disturbances..

Quran revelation sessions are time fixed and cannot be postponed and everytime if it is postponed Quran cannot be revealed fully in time and questions can't be raised.. It should be heralded to believers with top priority so that they can abide by and they can herald to others what is revealed.. Since it is time fixed it can well and truely revealed within life time of prophet and believers get all what they want completely.. Don't you see in QURAN it says THEY ASK YOU.. yes not randomly ask when they see prophet but they ask all their respective questions in Quran revelations session so gradually answers comes and Messenger replies within Quran.. Further Repetion of Quran is also vital.. Ehenever verses not revealed Quran be repeated so they can refresh and recollect and those who missed salah can get to know.. It's a long process but methodical..
That's why in chapter 23:1-10 salah is mentioned two  times .. One it states believers in their salah humble (Khashiun) and in another verse believers guard their Salah... The former is Connection with Allah and later is Quran revelation session... And they not miss salah and they guard them all cuz Allah's revelation is vital for them... They attend every session..

It's like school.. Students are prepared for OL exams.. Every session in class room is key to complete all subjects..

Note : Salah,  Quran revelation session is not just a gathering to have fun,  but to CLOSELY GET CONNECTED to what is revealed and ACKNOWLEDGE...

[jkhan]

Salam everyone...

Some have concern what indeed Salah (connection)  in reality or in real life means ... They ask me..

My fellow believers... It's your relationship with Allah and a strong connection.. Connection or relationship can never be ONE SIDED..its not connection at all.. But it's our duty and we are in need to connect not Allah.. We are to initiate connection.. If we connect and with integrity to Allah then Allah will connect with us.. When Allah is connected with a believer then guidance will flow gradually.. And they further ask if salah is connection then what is Iman / Faith... Good question.. Both iman and salah has huge difference... Iman is trust and strong trust in Allah and in His power,  and what he has created and His promises in this life and hereafter and His statements of Ghaib etc etc.. Strong faith without doubt is iman.. ... That's sheer faith in Allah.. But with all those faith one has to cultivate to near Allah, the connection with Him.. Got the difference? Like Allah says hold the rope of Allah means don't get disconnected... If the connection is strong only the path of Allah becomes easier..
With such connection only,  one can beg for FORGIVENESS or REPENT for one's errors standing long time, or make SUPLICATION /DUA for our needs of this world and hereafter or remember Allah and His creations and utter/exalt His magnificence etc.. Without any CONNECTION to Allah whatever I stated above are mere words in the air mixing .. And is like talking in a telephone where there is no connection or talking to someone who not at all listen to you.. .. If you are not connected with Allah, He is not the one to listen to you or respond to you.. When the connection is there,  you fear Alllah and you are aware Allah is watching at us. When you don't have connection you don't fear Allah and you don't care Allah is watching at us or not.. So path of Allah is lost paving inroads to evils..

Aqimu sala wa"athu zaka... establish connection and bringforth purity.. With connection to Allah only,  souls can get purified.. No connection no chance of purity..

[jkhan]

Salam everyone...

9:5 " ...... .... But if they repent, and establish salah, and give zakah, leave them on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

I brought the above verse to herald a robust message to all of you and in case God willing with pure and unprejudiced heart you would comprehend...
But above is not true translation of God's verse.. Verse obviously talks about Mushrik people who manifestly associates with Allah and they didn't submit to Allah.. Never..
Here is the truth of the verse as under..

9:5
"..... ... But / So if they REPENTED, and ESTABLISHED connection / bond (Salah), and DEVELOPED / BROUGHT FORTH Purity (Zaka), leave them on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Generous."

Note perfect verbs..

So in the above verse when those violent Mushrik people are under the rule of believers they have to obey the rule of nation.. Cannot accept violence and go against the Direction (Deen) applied common to all.. So these mushrik people came under believers Seige cuz of violence and they executed agaisnt Direction (Deen) ..
But Allah wisely advise to let them go... Free.. But question is WHEN?  Yes.. When they REPENTED to the rulers and ESTABLISHED connection (sala).. Yes connection to the Direction of Rulers and and PRODUCED Purity/unblemished state (zaka)... In simple language those aggressors can be released once the rulers accepted their repentance based on their close connection to the Direction of the nation and induced to get rid of impurities ..Such people are part of Direction(Deen) and no need to further have them under custody...

Well. This verse has nothing to do of mushrik people's repentance to Allah and prayer and giving zaka to poor.. Note the past tense use (perfect verb) ... Reflect.. Ritual prayer is not something to be called IF THEY ESTABLISHED SALAH.. but ritual prayer is continuous for life and cannot be said so.. Same if they GAVE zakat.. What's  correlation with Ritual prayer and zakat when they are under custody..? So if they pray for couple of days ritual prayers then just leave them free? Does it make sense?
So did you notice the general use of aquim Salat and waatu zakat..
These mushrik people not believed in Allah just cuz they were captured by rulers and they didn't submit  but they repented and connected to the direction of nation and produced purity.. So guys go live in society.. You are free citizens.. That's it.. But if they change then God has commanded to fight with them.. Read 9:1-12 with what I explained above and ponder whether it makes sense.. If Allah will you will get it..

Note: Just read verse 9:6 immediately after 9:5 God says Polytheist... Even though they were set free but some would still prefer for safety reasons to remain with believers or like to have some assurance of safeguarding them not cuz they accepted Allah but cuz they repented and connected to the direction of rulers... Allah further says in 9:6 well let polytheists Perhaps listen to the revelation of Allah while they with believers...

[good logic]

Brother jkhan.
I find your take on 5:6 confusing. What body odour?
It is asking to wash/wipe 4 items that have nothing to do with body odour.
For body odour one takes a bath/shower otherwise still body odour after 5:6!
 Read the verse after it. It says it is about "hear and obey" What does this mean?
Does "O believers" addresses just a certain generation or all believers? How would one know this?

 Brother let us both keep studying Qoran and ask the Author to give us more knowledge.
Thank you for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace. 

[jkhan]

Brother jkhan.
I find your take on 5:6 confusing. What body odour?
It is asking to wash/wipe 4 items that have nothing to do with body odour.
For body odour one takes a bath/shower otherwise still body odour after 5:6!
 Read the verse after it. It says it is about "hear and obey" What does this mean?
Does "O believers" addresses just a certain generation or all believers? How would one know this?

 Brother let us both keep studying Qoran and ask the Author to give us more knowledge.
Thank you for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace. 

Salam  brother GL...

As far as I read my reply I don't see anything I mentioned wrongly..
First of all... Of course you read Quran and so do I and that's the reason we bring the verses of Quran to enlighten within our knowledge.. Let God guide us...

Let me turn to 5:6 and 4:43.. It has beyond four steps brother.. That is full body wash to the one who is in a such a state his body's  dirts and odor won't leave unless he has a fully body wash (Junub) .. Other four steps are regular to freshen up most visible body parts as verses states.. no need full body wash.. And the one who had full body wash no need four steps as well.. On top of that , the identical verse to 5:6 is 4:43 in which those who are intoxicated are banned from participating sala up until their intoxication is faded off ie  they know what they themselves speak and it means they are back on track.. And moreover their presence with drunkard condition could emanate bad odor depends on what they consumed to get intoxicated and their drunkard situation is also potentially a nuisance to the gathering of salah.. Needless to state.

Don't you really get what I have written brother?
All I wish for my fellow believers is guidance of Allah and guidance of Allah is the guidance..

Note: Junub is not any sexual state and need to have bath but Junub is a situation where a body is indeed needs a full body wash ie  body has reached its extreme / farthest Level without body wash... And washing faces and hands and legs won't be enough to attend in public gathering.. You know what it means. We are human.. Drunkard and Junub  both should avoid salah.. That's clear with 4:43 and no second thought of it.. ... These two can join salah once his intoxication is over and when it comes to Junub he can join salah if only while travelling long not normal time.. Otherwise both never to be part of salah..

[good logic]

Brother jkhan.

Where do you get "Junub" definition from?
Where do you get meet up to read/study Qoran in the verse?
I read your explanation and I have no idea what "The Salat" really means done in a group from your take.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

Brother jkhan.

Where do you get "Junub" definition from?
Where do you get meet up to read/study Qoran in the verse?
I read your explanation and I have no idea what "The Salat" really means done in a group from your take.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Seek guidance as you always do... Open your door and let Allah's guidance reach you... No more comments..

[amin]

JKhan,

Quranic Salat [not completely equal to] Ritual Salat as we practice.


I think its more of "learning session" where one spends time individually or in group learn from the good morals of the world.

And i think the ritual part also comes in, as people those times assigned specific times to do this.

These can be mostly in mosques but also individually at houses.

The primary purpose of Salat i think is learning, so the act of preparing for the session comes in, being attentive(not lazy) and Aqimus salat, is to always give top priority to Salat(learning).

The times of revealing of the Quran, the learning process may be primitive and people now follows only the ritual mode and left or lost the ultimate aim of the practice.

In learning there needs a teacher, so the prophet or the book(kitab)/verses acts as one.

[jkhan]

Salam everyone...

Would you ever leave your ritual prayer incocompleted,  that too for trivial and meaningless reason..? No... conventional Muslims not do so as far as I know cuz not allowed in their religion.. So let's explore chapter 62 where Salat is mentioned.. ...

62:9
" O you who have believed, when you are called for the Salah from a day of the gathering, so proceed towards remembrance of Allah and leave the trading. That is better for you, if you only knew.

62:10
" So when the Salah is concluded / accomplished, scatter in the land /area and seek from the bounty of Allah, and remember Allah much in order that you may succeed."

62:11
"But when they sighted transaction and  distraction/ amusement, they hurried towards it and left you (Singular) standing. Say, "What is with Allah is better than the distraction / amusement and of the  transaction, and Allah is the better in providers."

Okay.. First of all Salah here is Session for Quran revealing / questioning etc on A day of any of the gathering which prevailed in that society (be it weekly fair,  harvest festival day or new year or spring celebration day or days like Haj/debate what ever common and usual to that community where so many amusement and distraction and trading taking place) .. On such days also Quran revelation takes place and to be conveyed by the Messenger..
So when one another on such a day called towards Salah,  Allah rightly said 'hasten to remembrance of Allah'.. cuz Quran revelation session is full of guidance and knowledge so that one can remember His Lord a lot while listening to what is revealed and discussed or questioned in the session.. Of course one can remember Allah being at his business place or at home in various reflections and no need to leave trading but they didnt have the complete Quran yet so they are to approach to seek the truth of Allah which is revealed in the Session.. They are not like us, Quran within the touch of finger tip.. No writren pages.. Not much scope to re-check unless refer to fellow believers or no particular order of Quran etc unless they attend the session... Salah to be guarded if they were believers.. That's why God says that's better for you if you know..

62:10..lets see..
So when the Salah /session for connection through revelation is concluded,  go seek your material pleasure but still remember Allah.. Well.. Don't just leave what you heard in the session there itself but reflect upon it and thus remember Allah always .. Remembering Allah not necessarily mean thinking of Allah but acting upon Allah's path.. What to remember Allah if no path of Allah is to follow.. Further note, it is not stated when you conclude salah but it stated when the Salah is concluded.. So no salah alone.. It means session is not in your hand to conclude.. It should be concluded by the one who leading it (The Messenger)...  But note carefully 62:11 ..Salah is not concluded at all... Revelation and questioning and discussion going on but there were people who left Salah /Connection Session towards transactions, etc which they sighted in the spot while they were on the session/Salah .. But Allah instructs the Messenger to TELL them that what is with Allah is better than these transaction and amusement.. How??  Yes if you attend and acknowledge fully the session and follow the path of Allah so  in the hereafter there are better than these amusements ...
If it is prayer Allah would have worded in different way.. Like... You cannot leave Prayer until you complete the prayer instead of saying what is with Allah is better.. Got it? If it is a ritual salah people themselves won't leave the prayer like that ... And note.. When they left the Messenger / the leader of the salah, he was STANDING.. So this Salah/revelation session was in standing position...  If they left him in seated position we can deduce at least they left as soon as the prayer is over like people do mostly in Masjeds..

It's so obvious Salah / Quran revelation session with questions etc took place at dawn and dusk and additionally on gathering days  at any time  ...

Salah was completed and Quran was successfully revealed.  Message conveyed.. Messenger did his job...
Our duty is to read the Quran and pursue what is revealed and establish Salah / Connection and bringforth Zakah /purity and do righteous good deeds like the true believers were in the past  .
For that only God communicated to them and for us and for all through His book .

[Fusion]

Jkhan, Your perspective on Salah as primarily a means of establishing a connection to God, rather than strictly the ritual prayer as commonly practiced, is thought-provoking and highlights the importance of intention and the spiritual connection in worship. It's a reminder that the essence of worship in Islam is to remember Allah and to establish a personal connection with the Divine, I do get that and concur.

However I have some clarifications please.

Regarding Conventional Ritual Prayer: If someone performs the conventional ritual prayer (Salah) with deep reflection, sincerity, and a heartfelt intention to connect with God, this in itself aligns with the Quranic emphasis on remembering Allah and seeking closeness to Him. The Quran encourages Muslims to establish prayer (Salah) as a means of remembrance and guidance (Quran 20:14). When performed with understanding and contemplation, the physical actions of Salah—such as ruku (bowing) and sujud (prostration)—can deeply enhance a believer's spiritual connection to God. This does not go against the Quran; rather, it fulfills the purpose of Salah as a multifaceted act of worship, combining physical, verbal, and spiritual devotion. Your thoughts for such folks?

Support for This View: The understanding of Salah varies among Muslims, including those who identify with the Quranist perspective, which emphasizes a direct engagement with the Quranic text. Some Quranists may interpret Salah more broadly as a form of spiritual connection beyond the ritual prayer, while others might still adhere to the conventional practice of Salah at prescribed times, seeing it as both a Quranic mandate and a means of spiritual connection. The diversity within the Quranist and broader Muslim community means there isn't a monolithic view on this matter. Each individual's understanding and practice of Salah are influenced by their interpretation of the Quran, their spiritual journey, and their engagement with Islamic tradition. I mean I know personally a couple of Quranists who hold this view? In that what us your view on this? or you feel they are not guided?

In conclusion, the beauty of Islam lies in its capacity to accommodate a wide range of sincere approaches to connecting with God. Whether through the traditional ritual prayers or other forms of remembrance and reflection, what's most important is the sincerity of the believer's intention and their personal relationship with Allah. As the Quran states, "Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13). This emphasizes that piety and closeness to Allah are ultimately measured by one's righteousness and sincerity, not merely by the outward form of one's worship.

[jkhan]

Peace...
I don't like to talk about others Fusion but I herald the message of Allah in my understanding and definitely point out commonly what is practiced by those who follow falsehood.. Don't I have the right to do it?  Of  course I have..

Let me address your concern of if someone performs ritual Salah with utmost connection and truly, wouldn't  that Salah? ... I know 90 % of those who go to Masjed is just going to pray for various of their reason and 10 % of those who goes to pray to Lord but none of these people can get connected to Allah by doing a 5 to 10 minute rituals... Connection should be permanent and never to disconnected... First understand somehow what connection is...  You can't go and get connected to Allah in magrib Salah and leave and get connected on isha Salah... What's the point here... Such Salah won't desist our immoralities and evils... The real connection alone can do... Hilarious part is when someone is making a dua for his needs are more connected to Allah than ritual salah.. It's empty... Nothing other than physical movements and words or silence..

Well there is no such thing and It won't happen.. If anyone says it is then it's a lie.
1....Number one reason God has not commanded and doing what God had not commanded to as rituals is sheer waste.. Do you get connection?

2.... Night prayers imam recites Quran while standing mostly quickly or set of chapters in first two raka in rotation and never touch entire Quran daily basis ... Other rakat silent.. Those who know Arabic perhaps would be listening but no one concentrates other than listening to beautiful recitations and his voice.. .. Moreover, They are not allowed to take verses in their own way.. Cuz QURAN should not be understood like that without hadith.. They should follow scholars.. .. So you went all the way to masjed to hear couple of simple chapters being recited in  beautiful tone by which imam is so proud of while you can read and reflect on your own since complete Quran is with you.. Do you get connection?

3... Day time prayers are absolutely silent and more quicker and not like night time prayers and those in rows won't hear any Quranic verse... But they just parrot what they know from Quran verses mostly small chapters even Arabs and if imam leaves to ruku they leave what they parrotting.. .. .. Do you get connection?

4... None Arabs even in night prayers they won't understand at all anything and even they understand, nothing is understood as it deserves.. . I mean to get the meaning.. Do you get connection?

Would this Method of Salah connect you with Allah... Instead.. Instead.. Stand or sit down in a place keep reading and beg for guidance and imagine how much effort one has to put up with to understand verses and when he understands them, only the CONNECTION enhances with Allah.. With the understanding he urges to follow the path of Allah.. Following path of Allah is indeed remembering of Allah. Nothing else..

Connection to the Lord only increase the Iman of a person... Lack of connection the weaker the iman.. Your ritual prayer won't increase iman  ... Some conventional Muslims may have good connection to Allah but unfortunately they have other business too which is associating to Allah... That's why Allah says they never believed without associating.. Very unfortunate... Somehow they preferred Satans path too... God is judge ... Let's see on the day of Deen...


Salah and zaka ie Connection and purification is combined in many verses with intent my Allah.. True connection to Allah indeed purifies a soul..
Those who are connected knows it.. With that connection only he can even ask forgiveness of repent of supplicate or  glorify...
Seek guidance of Allah and not worth of Allah

Thank you..

[jkhan]

Salam..
Below is conventional translation..
22:41
those who, if We gave them authority in the land, establishes prayer and gave zakah and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. And to Allah belongs the outcome of matters"

So.. Can any conventional Muslim or Quran alone muslim who Ritually pray (salah)  explaine the above verse with logic?
Did they in authority prayed or they let them pray others?  Did those in authority gave zakah pr they made others pay zaka? Is that why they are given authority on land and if not believers won't ritually pray? Or not gave zaka?

[Bajram Hoxhaj]

Salam..
Below is conventional translation..
22:41
those who, if We gave them authority in the land

Salaam,

7:10 and hath assuredly Makkannākum in the land ...

for context see prior verse:

22:40 the ones evicted from their homes ...
22:41 the ones if Makkannāhum in the land

Establish/settle, as an example:

The first mosque in China is believed to be the Huaisheng Mosque in Guangzhou, built during the Tang Dynasty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huaisheng_Mosque

Şalāata is mainly spiritual with physical/symbolic aspects (not an exercise class).

[jkhan]

 I don't like to laugh at Quran verses don't  make me laugh at them cuz of the desperate translations to justify nothing...

22:40 elaborates how cruel aggressive people were but those who help Allah is not the same..

22:41 carries the tone, And when such helpers were MakkannaKum (establishED / settlED / AuthorizED ) //perfect verb// in the land (instead of cruel people) they  AKAMU (establishED) Salah (bond/connection) and producED Zaka (purity) and everything in the verse are perfect verbs .. ie  they did.. Finish.. Matter done...

It's not they built mosques in lands they forcibly capture and compelled people to pray and compelled people so they gave zaka (obligatory charity) which doesn't even exist in Quran ..
You know what it is in modern terms.. It's like a president says "once we came to power we established integrity / solidarity and produced transparency /purity and carried out / enjoined of good and prevented corruption / evil (isn't that common in mouths of dirty politicians) and that's what God said truly long back about a group of true rulers and not people of Muhamed even.. It's about past.. .. Not people who built mosques in China. Lol.. There is no moswues in Quran.. Don't mock verses  ..

Nowadays which bloody government establish integrity /solodarity and produce purity...?  All gone..
Why Allah MakkannKum such rulers time and time again was to curb / check injustice where believers were living..

Anyway.. May Allah you and all believers if we deserve and seek from Him

[Bajram Hoxhaj]

‎مَكَّنَ (Makkana) in Arabic translates to 'to strengthen,' 'to empower,' or 'to enable' in English; likewise, it can also mean 'to establish' in certain contexts.

7:10 and hath assuredly Makkannākum in the land and made We of for you therein livelihood, little of what thou thanksgiving

[centi50]

Brother jkhan.
I find your take on 5:6 confusing. What body odour?
It is asking to wash/wipe 4 items that have nothing to do with body odour.
For body odour one takes a bath/shower otherwise still body odour after 5:6!
 Read the verse after it. It says it is about "hear and obey" What does this mean?
Does "O believers" addresses just a certain generation or all believers? How would one know this?

 Brother let us both keep studying Qoran and ask the Author to give us more knowledge.
Thank you for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace. 

Salam to all,

My question is why would Allah order a physical process for a spiritual process. I agree this has nothing to do with odour. If it is odour then we have to agree they are more parts of body that should be washed than legs and arms. God would have said wash your private parts or wash your armpits.

God bless