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Started by centi50, October 20, 2018, 09:41:32 AM

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Soittosondhani

Complain/protest without details, really painful!
Wa (and) azkur (remind) fi (in) -l Kitaabi Maryma  (the Book of Mariam). (19:16)
Where is the twisting (in meaning of  zikr and kithab)?

huruf

It is a real pity, but some minds cling like one drowning to the view of God as a protector of the boys' club. Women out. Like Lut's people.

Salaam

Jafar

If 'talking / meeting with angels' is a criterion of a prophet.
Then what the fuss about debating about somebody who has been long dead because there is a lady, still living among us, who claimed to regularly see and talk with angels.

Lorna Byrne: The Lady Who Sees Angels
https://youtu.be/ssAmweLstLE

She has released few books too:
-Angels in My Hair (2008)
-A Message of Hope from the Angels (2012)
-Love from Heaven (2014)

None of which requires you to believe that those were 'authored by God'.. (ehm)
And.. She never asked anyone to testify that she is the prophetess of God either (ehm)

As of now nobody has created a cult / religion of her figure or make an idol out of her books.



jkhan

Soitto...
9:72 "Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from ALLAH IS GREATER It is that which is the great attainment"

أالله أكثر
     what does this phrase means in general when it is togetger.. It may mean God is Greater or great allegedly for that matter.. But actually does this verse mean Allah is greater in the context of 9:72?  No... Just coz Two words come together doesn't mean a complete meaning of the sentence... Construction and context of the verse is so vital..
Not necessary for you to feel painful..  It's not God who deemed you...  It's only another human like you deemed you as twisting God's verses... God knows how He deems you...
Why don't you present the full sentence from the beginning and explain  to the readers that this is what the verse means.  Rather than just point what your mind prefers.. So 19:16-36 is part of the verses of the book of Mary..thats what it should be as per you.. Right? Coz you have considered it Book Of Mary...
In the verse 19:41 God speaks about Ibrahim..
19:41 Arberry: "And mention in the Book Abraham; surely he was a true man, a Prophet."
As per you it should mean " And remind/mention IN the Book OF Ibrahim (as a possession).. That's so away from the context of the verse and the story explained in following verses... As per you if you take it as possession then whatever explained subsequently about Ibrahim  should be quotes from the book of Ibrahim... .. Same in the case of Mary...right? .. Does the verse and verses following resembles as quotes OR further explanation by the author of Quran?...lets see how the verses continues 19:42 "When he said to his father, 'Father, why worshippest thou that which neither hears nor sees, nor avails thee anything?" Does this look like from the book of Ibrahim??  Or does it look like the explanation of what happened with Ibrahim to us in order for us to comprehend his life.. It's not from the book of Ibrahim.. I can't deem so.. Not just coz I can't deem but it is not giving a clue to deem so.. It's erroneous conclusion...
Same with all examples you brought...
In the verse 19:16 "And mention in the Book Mary when she withdrew from her people to an eastern place"
So you want us to deduce "and remind/mention IN the book OF Mary,,,,  when she withdraw.... So the continuation is quotes from the book of Mary...? No..no not at all.. 19:17 " and she took a veil apart from them; then We sent unto her Our Spirit that presented himself to her a man without fault" these are not quotes directly from a book in the past into Quran but they are elaboration freshly by the author of Quran which are given as REMINDING IN THE  BOOK (QURAN)...

Okay take this example and compare the verses you claim to be possession and Book of Mary... Book of Ibrahim etc..
Example.. Let's hope the title of the song is Enmity.. So the singer says to the creator of song to keep some lines about love also in the song.. This is how he said  "Mention/remind in  the song Love when they had good times... " Now will the title become as Song OF Love.. No.. Or can we hypothetically guess it is talking about Song of Love from song called song of love... No.. It is song titled "Enmity" In which love is explained..
Yes it is Book  called Quran in which Mary Ibrahim Moses etc is explained and it is not the book of them,  but QURAN...
Okay one more example.. Some one says " remind /mention in the book Ronaldino.. Will it become book of Ronaldino... It's just reminding in someone's book(lets hope title football history) about Ronaldino as well..
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jkhan

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bagyane

Allah sends messengers to their people.

When Musa and Haroun went to fir'aun, the two declared 'we are messengers of your lord' 20:47

But when Maryam returned (not sent) to her people, it was Isa bn Maryam that declared to the people '... I was given a kitaba and has made me a nabi...' 19:30 and that was a fulfillment of the prophecy in  3:48 - 49



huruf

Quote from: Jafar on November 17, 2018, 03:49:55 PM
If 'talking / meeting with angels' is a criterion of a prophet.
Then what the fuss about debating about somebody who has been long dead because there is a lady, still living among us, who claimed to regularly see and talk with angels.

Lorna Byrne: The Lady Who Sees Angels
https://youtu.be/ssAmweLstLE

She has released few books too:
-Angels in My Hair (2008)
-A Message of Hope from the Angels (2012)
-Love from Heaven (2014)

None of which requires you to believe that those were 'authored by God'.. (ehm)
And.. She never asked anyone to testify that she is the prophetess of God either (ehm)

As of now nobody has created a cult / religion of her figure or make an idol out of her books.


Typical, attempt to destroy a woman by instrumentalising for it another woman.



huruf

Yes, yes, indeed, we become richer spiritually and mor einspired and better persons by refusing to acknowledge Maryam. We loose if we acknowledge her and her mission, we become poor idiots who want to value a woman that was chosen by God for the women of the Worlds and for the whole worlds. We are so anxious to become deprived of the only woman who might be a threat to the glorious gallery of males, males, males prophets, that we cannot tolerate it.

Fantastic! I am sure God, and Maryam  must be worried to death with our rejection, we are so clever, so important, so much empowered to judge, that yes, they must be worried.

It is so ludicruous.

We do not get Maryam's and her sons' ayas, how fortunate we are.

Congratulations, male club, congratulations.



JewishDude

Hi Everyone,

I am not quite sure why everyone is upset on whether a woman has been a prophet.  Instead look at the practical aspect.  In a world where women typically didn't have many rights (not my doing so don't flame me here), only men would have been listened to.  So God would have sent his message to those who would have been listened to. 

Why get upset that God chose a (male) person to send a message to the people who would actually be able to convey the message to the widest audience?

Thanks,
JewishDude

huruf

Jewish Dude,

What are you saying? Who is upset because God chose any male? There are many males chosen and I have never seen anybody upset about them. Who is upset here about a male beeing chosen as a prophet by God? Are you reading well?

What is really a  pity is not that, the pity is that many males and even women take the fact that prophets be male as a kind of monopoly which if  it is broken snatches somethign away from them males. As if it was their business or their club where they have stock.

If they realised how pitiful they look when they get upset because a woman, mind you not a thousand women, but just one woman would be a prophet, may be they would laugh at themselves too.

As to not listening to prophets, what? do they listen because they are male? No, they do not. They hear them and get inflated with pride because they are male, as if prophecy was something in which they have stock, the same thing as when people say that Beethoven was a male, as if they all the males, shared int he genius of Beethoven. However wanting to share int he honours does not even hint at that they would be willing to follow their example, their male prophets' example. God forbid, it is just enough that they can boast maleness of prophethood why go further?

Pitiful all right.

And of course no cause for thoughtful males and females to not benefit from all prophets example of whatever sex as they have always done. 

Salaam