What is your position on Europe migrant crisis?

[Neptin]

they contributed in the destruction of syria, and libya and now they have to deal with the consequences. Maybe next time they'll think twice before trying to overthrow a government. They should have shipped most of those refugees to the US since it played the biggest role in syria and libya. (and afghanistan and irak and ....)

Absolutely. I believe any country(US, UK, France, Iran, Saudi Arabia) having a hand in the war in Iraq, Syria or have to be held accountable. But considering that the citizens of the host countries mostly cannot be blamed for the failure of their government, I again feel they should not be burdened by migrants.

Third world countries don't need a regime change, but they need the age of enlightenment to happen. They need a philosophical movement and a rupture with religion and cultural ignorance. Like what happened in Europe during the 18th century.

If that doesn't happen, I don't see how things can get better. Third world countries will keep being used as markets for their products and their natural ressources will keep getting stolen, politicians will be corrupted and governments will be overthrown and wars will keep erupting, between the people and between the neighboring countries.

Absolutely. What do you think of the western government withdrawing any military involvement from the region?

[Neptin]

UN in a report once said it was a good thing because the less citizen population in European countries became danger for the future. You need people to run the system. That said, refugees are typically not permanent. If the wars end they can be told to go back no matter how many years they live in Europe. In our case, things went different. Also you will always smell Russia when you go to find out who is causing the hate.

Your take on this seem really optimistic but is really not.
The problem is that a lot of the refugees are not refugees but economic migrants. Therefore, even if the war is over, they'll not likely return home. Another thing to be considered is that the government have pursued these mass immigration in attempt to push multiculturalism, so there is the chance that the migrants are there to stay. Even if the locals do not want this.

[huruf]

Well if the west was not intent and resoluted to have hold, strangle hold, of the middle east, amongst the rest of the world, forever, and for a change applied to little darling Israel the kind of caresses it has spent on Somalia, Libia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. etc. then some several million of palestinian refugees might return to their country. They never asked to be invaded and turned into tortured people an refugees.

And the rest follows the same pattern.

The west has no moral right to say a single word about refugees. Of course it does not need it. Its right is the right of might.

And of course too, people are there for nothing, but when people start to reason and the best they can come up with is the problem of refugees as if it sprung like a mushroom unforeseen and without cause or with causes that have nothing to do with the west, the thing becomes sinister, sinisterly laughable.

Let us hope that the worst that can befall us is just the refugees, because the kind of policies followed by our rulers, known or unknown, should make us fear much worse. Finally the west has no children, only through importing people may we get to the next century.

And a reminder, our rulers, western rulers, known or unknown, are not racist. What they are doing to people in any part of the world, they can do to us any time, whenever it fits in their plans.

I think the Christian refugees returned to Syria that reel mentions must have already realised as much.

Nothing persona, you know.

The history of rome may be some entertaining reading to realise  how dearly imperial rulers bear in mind the well being of the masses. Do we like the circus?

Salaam

[SarahY]

Peace

What do they mean by the migrants cannot integrate into the new culture?

Why is islamization a concern if they are practising Islam within their families and like minded people?

What is the fear? Because it seems that is the problem. 

[Neptin]

Peace

What do they mean by the migrants cannot integrate into the new culture?

Why is islamization a concern if they are practising Islam within their families and like minded people?

What is the fear? Because it seems that is the problem.

Migrants cannot speak the local language. In UK, it is reported that 50% of migrants cannot speak English. These migrants also cannot work, unemployment is a big issue among them. It gets even worse as the values and principles some of these migrants differ from the citizens. Terrorism is on the rise, rape is skyrocketing in migrant inhabited areas. Migrants increasing demanding for sharia law like gender segregation, female circumcision. Building mosques that promote hate and groom terrorists.

Fear is part of the problem, but it is not half of it. Abrupt rise in population as seen in mass immigration is a catalyst for decrease in living standard, overcrowding and crime rate.

[Neptin]

Well if the west was not intent and resoluted to have hold, strangle hold, of the middle east, amongst the rest of the world, forever, and for a change applied to little darling Israel the kind of caresses it has spent on Somalia, Libia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. etc. then some several million of palestinian refugees might return to their country. They never asked to be invaded and turned into tortured people an refugees.

And the rest follows the same pattern.

The west has no moral right to say a single word about refugees. Of course it does not need it. Its right is the right of might.

I would agree with everything here, but one thing. The western governments are the ones responsible for the refugee crisis, not the western citizens now paying the price. The citizens are the ones making complaints and I have to agree with them to a limited extent.

We also have to consider how the western citizens react to this. Rise of the far right, aversion to Muslim, some countries in Eastern Europe have turned down refugees from entering their borders.

[huruf]

I would agree with everything here, but one thing. The western governments are the ones responsible for the refugee crisis, not the western citizens now paying the price. The citizens are the ones making complaints and I have to agree with them to a limited extent.

We also have to consider how the western citizens react to this. Rise of the far right, aversion to Muslim, some countries in Eastern Europe have turned down refugees from entering their borders.

Then you agree with everything, because notice I said this:

"And of course too, people are there for nothing, but when people start to reason and the best they can come up with is the problem of refugees as if it sprung like a mushroom unforeseen and without cause or with causes that have nothing to do with the west, the thing becomes sinister, sinisterly laughable."

And said this:

"And a reminder, our rulers, western rulers, known or unknown, are not racist. What they are doing to people in any part of the world, they can do to us any time, whenever it fits in their plans. "

Just that we, people, should be aware of what they are doing with us. Using us against each other, so that we become ou worst enemies. Roman circus wise.

If people fall in the trap, that is the end. And that is why being aware is about the best or the least we can do. The gist of the thign is that we have no power or very, very little. What can we do with that. May God help us.

Salaam

[good logic]

Peace Neptin.
I also live in the UK.
Manchester with its diverse population from all over the world,does not have the issues you described in your post.
All schools (Apart from very few religious ones, less than a handful) teach in one language (English). The migrants here( Majority from eastern Europe ,Syria Afghanistan, Pakistan and India and other minorities from South America, Africa ... All the ones I know have had to integrate to live under the system of schooling, work, social security and citizenship.

Of course there is always those who do not want to integrate ,but every rare  All the new generation speak English and deal in their life outside the home in English.

I see the best example in mixed races and religions living together and interacting/socialising together. Just come and visit the Rusholme area in Manchester ,you will see all nationalities and diversities of people gelling , cooperating and enjoying sharing their traditions,foods and ways with each other.
Where I live , in Stockport , in a cull de sack of ten new built houses ,my neighbours consist of :
1-Next door a Brazilian friend and his family of four.
2-Next door but one ,An Albanian married to a Romanian sister with his 3 children.
3- Next to that two English families.
4- The other 5 houses nearby are owned by two Croatian families ,one retired English couple and 2 young couples of mixed races.
We all share a front garden area that is kept by all of us (monthly standing charge for its upkeep) for the children to use as play area. All the children go to the school nearby and are studying in English. Of course there is nothing wrong in teaching them their own language and ways at home, but I see full integration from these lot.
Communities need to do more in other areas ,but I see a lot of positives.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Neptin]

Thanks goodlogic, good to hear your experience. Quite refreshing, but the thing with UK is a lot of statistics that paint a grim picture. Radical preachers and Imams, Jihadists going to fight in Syria and Iraq, then return for treatment, grooming gangs of Pakistanis etc. At individual level, you have Muslims who believe apostates should be killed and other regressive beliefs.

[good logic]

In my experience ,things that make todays news ,even if rare ,are made to look a big issue according to the leaders agenda.

People are waking up to this "bias"  and are aware that the positives are not highlighted  .

Of course there are "terrorists" and radicals ,but negligible against how most people live and interact.

Fuelling peoples fears seem to be working for "Zionism" and its supporters for now?

GOD bless you.
Peace.