Jesus Christ: Prophet or Son of God?

[Fusion]

To XavierSlaveofGod,


There is only one Allah the Almighty, Who is unique in His person and attributes. No one share these with Him. Only His Law is in force in the entire universe; and all mankind should also live under that one Law. This will create unity in mankind. (The inevitable outcome of the concept of oneness of the Creator is the singularity of law and unity of mankind.)

Allah is self-sufficient and everything else is dependent on Him for its survival, nourishment and development. He is like a firmly established lofty rock which itself is safe from all dangers. And everyone else rushes towards it for seeking safety and protection from deluge.

He has brought into existence every living being through the process of creation; not of procreation. (In procreation a part of the producer is passed on to the product. Thus the father, namely the producer, becomes somewhat deficient.  This is not the case in creation.) Neither did He give birth to any one, nor is He Himself a product of the process of procreation.

There is no one who can ever be His equal or His like.

(Leaving the few atheists aside, the majority of people in the world proclaim that they believe in God. God however is not visible whereby everyone can see and believe in Him in the same way as others. God is non-physical, non-visible and beyond perception.  Therefore a person has to tie the belief in God to the concept of God which he or she has.  If you have only one concept of God, it means you believe in God.  If at the same time you also have another concept, it means that you do not believe in God  inspite of your claim that you do.  The true concept of God is that which God Himself gave about Himself.  That concept is not available anywhere outside the Quran.  Therefore to believe according to the Quranic concept means truly believing in God.  This concept of God has comprehensively been given in these few words.Quran Chapter 112. A purer or higher concept about Him cannot be obtained from any source of knowledge.  The secret of success lies in believing this God and as far as humanly possible, one should  reflect God's attributes in one's personality.)

[Emre_1974tr]

Also, as I have shown in my article, some special people, such as martyrs and prophets, have already been created in Paradise/the Floor of God and have already started their eternal life:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611687.0

So Jesus and the other prophets are now living in the Hereafter Universe in the flesh.

In short, the situation of Adam and his wife, the situation of the other people created in paradise, and the situation of all the people created in the Hereafter Universe is like the situation of Jesus. They were created directly without ancestors and continue to be created. In other words, sexuality is not mediated in their creation.

And this ancestorless creation gives them no divinity. God creates as he wills. The creation of Jesus is just like any other example of creation without ancestors, there is no divinity in it.

Thus the Holy Qur'an once again corrects the false Bible on the market.

All polytheistic religions, from Hinduism to New Age religion, worship many gods as a reflection or manifestation of the one God. Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy.

As it is stated in the Holy Qur'an, the elite hid the Torah and the Gospel, they only shared some of its pages with humanity. So we don't have the Injeel or the Torah now.

And unfortunately, the people had to adopt the hadith books like Barnabas, Enoch, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, which were written by human beings, that is to say fake books, as Gospels. There are many more fake Gospels. But the pagan religious leaders adopted four of them and deceived people with these books. Whatever Bukhari or Tırmizi books are, these are the same. They are hadith books. Bible is not Torah or Injeel.

But some Christians, in spite of these pagan false books, realized that the belief in the trinity was a heresy and fought against this heresy. Because with the revelation inherent in their genes, man is inclined towards the truth. As long as he keeps his heart pure.(unitarians)

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Almost all polytheistic religions have the same trap, that the demons are making them adopt the lie that there are multiple reflections of one God.

Hindus also think that they believe in one God, pantheists also, Christians also. They have been made to believe that the one God is manifested in different ways. From Indian religions to Far Eastern religions, they all have the same fallacy. People who worship idols actually believe in one God. All idols are manifestations or parts of the original God in paganism. Hindus or other idol worshippers say the same thing. So they have exactly the same belief as the lie they are being fed.

Satan cannot make people polytheists directly, for the most part. Because there is true knowledge/revelation in the genes of human beings and people innately know that there is only one God. That's why Satan insidiously makes people polytheistic. He says that the one God manifests in different ways. And he deceives the pagans mostly in this way. Hindus, Native Americans, Asian pagans, new age believers, Christians  think they believe in one God, but in reality they are polytheists. They have associated partners with Allah, so you are in shirk.

Hindus "333 in 1"

Christians "3 in 1".

Pantheists "everything in 1"

New Agers "we are in 1"

This is paganism.

[XavierSlaveofGod]

Emre, nope. I live in India and I know Hindu Friends openly speak of worshipping many gods: "Increasingly we find posters that all gods being present inside a cow. Worshipping a cow then becomes equal to worshipping all Hindu gods." https://devdutt.com/articles/why-do-hindus-worship-cows/ I love my Friends but I disagree with them on this. There is only One God. Christianity has always taught that. When St. Paul was worshipped, he immediately said not to do this, and to turn to the one True and Living God, showing he was not God. But when Jesus Christ was worshipped, He accepted it, showing He was God made Man.

Reference: Acts 14:

"In Lystra and Derbe

8In Lystra there sat a man who was lame. He had been that way from birth and had never walked. 9He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10and called out, "Stand up on your feet!" At that, the man jumped up and began to walk.

11When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, "The gods have come down to us in human form!" 12Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.

14But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15"Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. 16In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy." 18Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them." https://biblehub.com/niv/acts/14.htm

See how Christianity has always preached One God, unlike polytheistic religions that preach many gods? Also, when the Roman Emperors wanted people to worship them as gods, the polytheists accepted and did so. But Christians always refused to do that.

God Bless.

Edit: Meanwhile, here is what happened at Jesus Christ's Ascension, all His Apostles worshiped Him as God and the Risen Lord.

"The Scriptures Opened
44Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me." 45And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

46Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48And you are witnesses of these things. 49Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high."

The Ascension
50And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. 51Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven. 52And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God. Amen."

[XavierSlaveofGod]

Fusion,

Thanks for your response. Can I ask you one thing?

1. Since Muslims believe the Quran completes the Revelation of the Torah and the Injeel, like we believe the New Testament completes and perfects the OT, why do you not place the Quran after the New Testament, just like we do with the Gospel of Christ after the Law of Moses? The reason we can confidently do it is because we know both books preach the same Message. The Prophets said Christ would be the Son of God, would be born of a Virgin, and would suffer and die for our sins; the Apostles declare the fulfilment of all these things, that Christ is the Son of God, was born of a Virgin, and has suffered and died for our sins.

But the Quran contains a radically different message. That's why Christians disagree with it.

Here is the Holy Trinity in the Old Testament. Every one knows Abraham was a Monotheist, and the Book of Genesis, written by the Prophet Moses, is the Oldest Book of Monotheism in the whole world, written 3500 years ago. Now, see what happens in Gen 18:

"1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

It says (1) the Lord appeared, and then (2) Three Men were before Abraham. And he calls them as his (3) One Lord. St. Augustine and other Christians have always understood this to be a reference to the Holy Trinity in the Old Testament - 3 Persons, One God.

Here is the Son of God come to save Daniel's three friends. 3 of them were thrown in, and the Son of God came from Heaven to save them. This shows the Son of God already existed in the Old Testament, and is none other than Jesus, the Savior.

Here is the whole passage in Daniel 3:

"16Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. 17If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. 18But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

The Fiery Furnace

19Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated. 20And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. 23And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

24Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 26Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire. 27And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellers, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

28Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. 29Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort. 30Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, in the province of Babylon."

Once more, these passages, unlike the Quran which has one author, were written by Prophets centuries before Christ's Birth. Edit: Also please note, as I said about the Roman Emperors etc, here these faithful Israelites refused to serve the many gods of Babylon. But they knew well, the True God, of Israel, Whose Name is Yahweh, had a Son, and His Name is Yeshua, or Jesus. This Son of God, out of Love for these faithful Israelites who were ready to die for Love of God, came from Heaven to save them. And all this is happening in the Old Testament, written hundreds of years before Christ's Birth.

God Bless.

[Emre_1974tr]

All polytheistic religions, from Hinduism to New Age religion, worship many gods as a reflection or manifestation of the one God. Christianity has the same pagan doctrine. In fact, it is in itself a pantheistic philosophy.

As it is stated in the Holy Qur'an, the elite hid the Torah and the Gospel, they only shared some of its pages with humanity. So we don't have the Injeel or the Torah now.

And unfortunately, the people had to adopt the hadith books like Barnabas, Enoch, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, which were written by human beings, that is to say fake books, as Gospels. There are many more fake Gospels. But the pagan religious leaders adopted four of them and deceived people with these books. Whatever Bukhari or Tırmizi books are, these are the same. They are hadith books. Bible is not Torah or Injeel.

But some Christians, in spite of these pagan false books, realized that the belief in the trinity was a heresy and fought against this heresy. Because with the revelation inherent in their genes, man is inclined towards the truth. As long as he keeps his heart pure.(unitarians)

****

Almost all polytheistic religions have the same trap, that the demons are making them adopt the lie that there are multiple reflections of one God.

Hindus also think that they believe in one God, pantheists also, Christians also. They have been made to believe that the one God is manifested in different ways. From Indian religions to Far Eastern religions, they all have the same fallacy. People who worship idols actually believe in one God. All idols are manifestations or parts of the original God in paganism. Hindus or other idol worshippers say the same thing. So they have exactly the same belief as the lie they are being fed.

Satan cannot make people polytheists directly, for the most part. Because there is true knowledge/revelation in the genes of human beings and people innately know that there is only one God. That's why Satan insidiously makes people polytheistic. He says that the one God manifests in different ways. And he deceives the pagans mostly in this way. Hindus, Native Americans, Asian pagans, new age believers, Christians  think they believe in one God, but in reality they are polytheists. They have associated partners with Allah, so you are in shirk.

Hindus "333 in 1"

Christians "3 in 1".

Pantheists "everything in 1"

New Agers "we are in 1"

This is paganism.

Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us.

The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God...

For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of.

Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God.

[XavierSlaveofGod]

Yes, the Quran claims Jesus is not God, but the earlier revelation it claims to follow contradicts that.

Jesus Christ Himself (1) was not happy with the idea that He was a mere Prophet (2) praised the Faith of St. Peter when Peter confessed He was the Son of God. As I said, the Gospel and the Quran teach different things. If the Quran was correct, Christ's Apostles would likewise (1) have rejected the idea that Jesus was the Son of God (2) and taught He was only a Prophet. But they did not. Hence, we believe the Quran is not correct about what it claims about the historical Jesus Christ.

Matthew 16:

Peter's Confession of Christ

(Mark 8:27-30; Luke 9:18-20; John 6:66-71)

13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

In Christ,
Xavier.

[Emre_1974tr]

   


Quran 21:43 Or do they have gods that will protect them from Us? They cannot help themselves, nor can they be protected from Us.

The verse tells one of the reasons for the to attribute a partner to (God) of the villains; To seek refuge in the imaginary gods to protect themselves from God...

For example, seeing Jesus as a partner in God is a kind of.

Bad people seek refuge in the partners to escape from God.

Quran saying The elites always kept the books from you.

Quran 6:91 They did not value God as He deserves to be valued, for they said, "God has never sent down anything to any human being." Say, "Who then has sent down the book which Moses had come with, a light and guidance for the people? You treat it just as scrolls of paper; you show some of it and conceal much, though you were taught what neither you nor your fathers knew." Say, "God has." Then leave them playing in their folly.

Matthew Mark or Yuhanna always wrote hadith books.

Mattheww or Mark are like Bukhari. They are hadith writers. You(Christians, Jews) have not got holy books.

God's word hasn't changed. Your priests have adopted fake books. They gave you the hadith books as the Bible and deceived you.