should muslims obey the law of non muslims if they live in a none muslim country? If yes could u pls show the verse which says that
Why the question? Do absolutely all laws in all countries are contradictory to the Qur'an, that is more contradictory that laws in countries peopled by muslims?
Should muslims rebel all over the place in every country? Would that allow every "good muslim" really comply with the Qur'an better than not rebelling and working pecefully to better morals and life everybody?
Where does the Qur'an say that muslim sgould automatically rebel?
Salaam
I also want to know about a verse that says the grass is green.
Where did I say they should rebel? Im asking whether or not muslim has to obey western laws or should muslims live only according to Quran?
Quote from: MaryK on October 20, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
should muslims obey the law of non muslims if they live in a none muslim country? If yes could u pls show the verse which says that
That's how you judge the 'quality' of a law, policy and regulation?
Merely through the 'social identity' of those who ratifying it?
Some variant of the question:
Should Jews follow Non Jewish Law if they are living in a non Jewish country?
Should Shiites follow Non Shiites Law if they are living in a non Shiites country?
Should Kurds follow Non Kurdish Law if they are living in a non Kurdish country?
Should Irish follow Non Irish Law if they are living in a non Irish country?
Should Iowans follow Non Iowan Law if they are living in a non Iowa state?
Should Non Balinese follow Balinese Law if they are living in a Bali?
The recommendation will be yes....
Don't bring or use marijuana in Bali, the Balinese law state it is punishable by death or lifetime imprisonement.
Thus better obey the law which valid in the land..
Feel free to smoke marijuana in South Africa, the South African law state it is allowable...
Quote from: MaryK on October 20, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
should muslims obey the law of non muslims if they live in a none muslim country?
Peace, laws according to Qur?an e.g. Thomas Jefferson Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGCF-mbM-U
Whereas in non-Qur?an countries e.g. majority of Middle East, etc.
Legal
Wife beating
Marrying underage girls
Amputation of hands for stealing
Stealing inheritance especially bereaved women and children
Illegal punishable by death
Apostasy
Marrying non-Muslims
Disagreeing with hearsay
Man/woman guilty of adultery
In my opinion each country or place has its own culture and will have its own customs, uniformity and imposing foreign rules wont help or wont work out in the long run.
Quranic message looks simple, live accepting the common goodness(Allah), its guidance. So its better and good to obey those native laws if they do not come against the path of common goodness including our own.
Quote from: MaryK on October 20, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Where did I say they should rebel? Im asking whether or not muslim has to obey western laws or should muslims live only according to Quran?
You should be more specific. It depends on what laws we are discussing. Context is essential.
However, one should try his best to follow Allah's True Laws under any circumstances and if the land you live in prevents you from freely practicing the deen, then Allah's earth is spacious! If you have the means and opportunity then emigrate! Move! Travel away!
When you have questions about Quran go over the whole book and read over and over. Reading is key for understanding.
4:97-100
Indeed, those whom - take them (n death) the Angels (while) they (were) wronging themselves they say, "In what (condition) were you?" They said, "We were oppressed in the earth. They said, "Not was (the) earth (of) Allah spacious (enough) so that you (could) emigrate in it?" Then those (will have) their abode (in) Hell - and it is an evil destination.
Except the oppressed among the men and the women and the children who are not able to plan and not they are directed (to) a way.
Then those, may be, [that] Allah will pardon [on] them, and is Allah Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving.
And whoever emigrates in (the) way (of) Allah, will find in the earth place(s) of refuge - many, and abundance. And whoever leaves from his home (as) an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger, then overtakes him [the] death, then certainly (became) incumbent his reward on Allah. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quote from: MaryK on October 20, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Where did I say they should rebel? Im asking whether or not muslim has to obey western laws or should muslims live only according to Quran?
It is implied in the question. If you resolve not comply with the laws, you are indeed rebelling, how far will you go in that rebellion is another question. But not complying with the law is rebellion.
Salaam
Quote from: Noon waalqalami on October 20, 2017, 06:30:03 PM
Whereas in non-Qur?an countries e.g. majority of Middle East, etc.
Legal
Wife beating
Marrying underage girls
Amputation of hands for stealing
Stealing inheritance especially bereaved women and children
Illegal punishable by death
Apostasy
Marrying non-Muslims
Disagreeing with hearsay
Man/woman guilty of adultery
Your Middle East must have grown tremendously overnight. "Majority" have allthose things? Is it not better to say which countries have which and also be sure of it?
These gross generalisations amount to slander of quite a few countries. On the other hand even without being law, en many countries EVERYWHERE, things are tolerated and imposed by society or groups within it which go against Qur'an.
Salaam
If you follow Qoran,the question becomes irrelevant,why?
1- You would be concentrating on leading your life according to what is the best advice in Qoran.
2- You would be a "peaceful" person.
3- You would come under the protection of your Lord.
3- You would treat people like you would like to be treated yourself.
4-Nowadays most countries do not force you to break GOD s laws or follow Qoran s way
5-You would emigrate elsewhere if you were forced to break GOD s laws.
6-You do your best to stay peaceful and friendly.
In short,render to Caesar what is Caesar s. Pay your dues/taxes of course. No problem. I do not see why not?
GOD bless.
Peace.
Quote from: MaryK on October 20, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
should muslims obey the law of non muslims if they live in a none muslim country? If yes could u pls show the verse which says that
Peace MaryK,
Could you give an example? :peace:
Quote from: MaryK on October 20, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
should muslims obey the law of non muslims if they live in a none muslim country? If yes could u pls show the verse which says that
Study the book and you will know why the question is sounding weird. Hint:
Freedom of ReligionAnd had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, would you compel the people in order that they become believers?10:99
And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.18:29
There shall be no compulsion in the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.2:256
Surah 109
Say: Oh you who turn away
I do not worship what you worship,
nor do you worship what I worship.
And I will not worship what you worship,
Nor will you worship what I worship.
Your way is yours, and my way is mine.
Freedom of Speech and CriticismAnd be patient over what they say and avoid them with gracious avoidance.73:10
And when you see those who engage in discourse concerning Our verses, then turn away from them until they enter into another conversion. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then do not remain after the reminder with the wrongdoing people.6:68
And when they hear ill speech, they turn away from it and say, "For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds. Peace will be upon you; we seek not the ignorant."28:55
Freedom of thought and Individualism And you have come to Us individually, just as We had created you the first time; and you have left behind you all that We have provided for you; and We do not see your intercessors with you that you used to claim were with you in partnership; all is severed between you, and what you have claimed has abandoned you."6:94
And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.6:116
Also check
Say, "Each works according to his manner, but your Lord is most knowing of who is best guided in way."17:84
All humans are equal and democracyAnd those who have responded to their lord and established prayer and whose affair is [determined by]
consultation among themselves, and from what We have provided them, they spend. 42:38
O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah , even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort or refuse, then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.4:135
And O my people, give full measure and weight in justice and do not deprive the people of their due and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption.11:85