Serious mistake in featured article: What is Salat?

[Man of Faith]

Salaam hawk 99

It is not the verse I use to refer to middle prayer. Although it does not really matter, your intention is what counts.

There has been some turbulence regarding a third mandatory prayer or not, but I still believe in the middle prayer unless I have more convincing proof. I am not refuting the possibility that this verse may refer to some other thing than middle prayer, I am always open-minded and I want to know the Truth.

Two or three prayers, it is your intention that counts. I think only two prayers is a bit meager for my taste, but if it is the minimum requirement then God simply shows His mercy.

God bless you

[hawk99]

Peace Man of Faith,

I still adher to the Five (opportunities) ritual salat,  no one to my satisfaction has convincingly proved
otherwise.  Salat is part of my daily life that I enjoy. 

"Why throw out the baby with the bathwater" or "not broke don't fix"

   

[Man of Faith]

Salaam hawk 99,

You do absolutely nothing wrong by observing five daily mandatory prayers, if this is your interpretation and you have no intention of disobeying the Lord if you would be wrong.

I do not say you are wrong, I am worried myself about my interpretation and thinking there are 3 prayers per day, in fact I am so worried I keep 5 prayers a personal minimum for myself even if 3 may be correct.

6 or 7 is more than enough, but I would not claim it to be mandatory. It is my inspiration that tells me to do it.

In my opinion, this talk about amount of prayers, rakahs etc, is like Moses and the heifer his people are ordered to sacrifice. What color, age, type...

Seems like humor on God?s part!

That He intentionally omitted such details to see who are the true Believers.

Silly to be arguing about these details anyhow.

God bless you brother

[hawk99]

Salaam hawk 99,
In my opinion, this talk about amount of prayers, rakahs etc, is like Moses
and the heifer his people are ordered to sacrifice. What color, age, type...
Seems like humor on God?s part!
That He intentionally omitted such details to see who are the true Believers.
Silly to be arguing about these details anyhow.
God bless you brother

Agreed

I remember us having this discussion:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604901.msg318749#msg318749

God Bless

[Man of Faith]

Ah right, hawk 99,

It was our discussion and your original parable!

Seems we discussed the same thing, almost.

I love the analogy with the heifer, so humorous and tragic at the same time. Teaches us a lesson few seem to grasp.

God bless you

[Man of Faith]

Salaam,

Forgot to mention the verse saying that the human being is the most argumentative type, unfortunately I forgot the number and chapter, but you know it is in there.

God bless you

[a-sm]

Forgot to mention the verse saying that the human being is the most argumentative type, unfortunately I forgot the number and chapter, but you know it is in there.

Perhaps you were thinking of 100.6

إن الإنسان لربه لكنود

I made a mistake in my reference (forgive me). I meant 107.4-5

فويل للمصلين
الذين هم عن صلاتهم ساهون

Some people in here are still missing my point though. Someone brought up "following the forefathers" in relation to praying 5 times, which is an evil comparison that slanders the Prophet. What we "fivers" are following is the universally accepted way that the Prophet prayed as it was taught by him and witnessed by an unbroken chain of companions, followers, and believers. So this is my bottom line:

The Salat was sent down and revealed along with the Book.

And I think this is why salat is so intentionally without detailed description in the Qur'an. Not just the timing, but everything! Allah could easily have said something like: Oh you who believe, when you perform salat, stand and read the fatiha, then bow half way, etc... But notice that the washing before the salat is described in more detail than salat itself, yet the Qur'an is complete guidance. This is strange.

So to a person with any common sense, the Qur'an is forcing him to go outside the Qur'an for these details, and thereby forcing him to integrate with the community. This gives salat it's secondary function. Not only does salat connect a muslim to Allah, but also to his brothers, building unity in the faithful. I think everyone who's attended jumuah has felt this in his heart.

والذين يمسكون بالكتاب وأقاموا الصلاة إنا لا نضيع أجر المصلحين

[hawk99]

Perhaps you were thinking of 100.6

إن الإنسان لربه لكنود

I made a mistake in my reference (forgive me). I meant 107.4-5

فويل للمصلين
الذين هم عن صلاتهم ساهون

Some people in here are still missing my point though. Someone brought up "following the forefathers" in relation to praying 5 times, which is an evil comparison that slanders the Prophet. What we "fivers" are following is the universally accepted way that the Prophet prayed as it was taught by him and witnessed by an unbroken chain of companions, followers, and believers. So this is my bottom line:

The Salat was sent down and revealed along with the Book.

And I think this is why salat is so intentionally without detailed description in the Qur'an. Not just the timing, but everything! Allah could easily have said something like: Oh you who believe, when you perform salat, stand and read the fatiha, then bow half way, etc... But notice that the washing before the salat is described in more detail than salat itself, yet the Qur'an is complete guidance. This is strange.

So to a person with any common sense, the Qur'an is forcing him to go outside the Qur'an for these details, and thereby forcing him to integrate with the community. This gives salat it's secondary function. Not only does salat connect a muslim to Allah, but also to his brothers, building unity in the faithful. I think everyone who's attended jumuah has felt this in his heart.

والذين يمسكون بالكتاب وأقاموا الصلاة إنا لا نضيع أجر المصلحين

Agreed