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Started by Emre_1974tr, May 11, 2021, 11:38:19 AM

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6:7 And if We had sent down to you a book already written on paper, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have rejected would say: "This is but clear magic!"

If we look at other signs other than the clear meaning of this verse; Does it mean that you insist on accepting all these realities as an illusion and illusion, even though we clearly present you physical things that you can perceive with your buyers?

52:13 The Day they will be called into Hell, forcibly:

52:14 "This is the Fire which you used to deny!"

52:15 "Is this magic, or do you not see?"

Again, apart from the first clear meaning of this verse, if we are to do brain training; You have always called the world of matter a dream, an illusion, now taste the torment of the fierce fire and see if matter is real or is it illusion? Could it also contain an indirect warning in its sense?

52:44 And if they see a portion from the heaven falling, they will say: "Piled clouds!"

54:2 And if they see a sign, they turn away and say: "Ongoing magic!"

In these verses, apart from their first meanings, can it be a warning for those who see the world of matter as an illusion and try to deny its reality by saying that there are "energy fluctuations piled up in the origin of matter" or something?

6:30 And if you could see them when they are standing at their Lord; He said: "Is this not the truth?" They said: "Yes, by our Lord," He said: "Then taste the retribution for what you have rejected."

Again, in this verse, the first and real sense of the disappointment of the unbelievers as a result of their religious denial is described. But again, if we are to do brain training other than the first meaning of the verses,  that those who thinks worls is a illusion despite all their proof of the material world be criticized indirectly.

As I said, the reason I wrote all these verses is just to exercise the mind. In any case, no one can say "this is the following" for the secondary and tertiary meanings of the verses. Those who say are in error.

However, some verses directly give us the information that matter-creatures are real:

46:3 We did create the heavens and the earth, and everything between them except, with the truth, and for an appointed time. And those who disbelieve turn away from what they are being warned with.

29:44 God created the heavens and the earth with truth. In that is a sign for the faithful.


In his verses, Allah states that He created as "truth".

In addition, in some of his verses, he swears on the creatures he created. For example:

95:1 By the fig and the olive.

95:2 And the mount of ages.

95:3 And this land of peace.


Our Lord does not swear on a dream. The truth is that he swears on them.


In short, the belief that "everything is a game of our perceptions, in fact matter is just a dream" that the Spiritualist/New Ageist doctrine tries to impose on people is not true.

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Quote6:7 And if We had sent down to you a book already written on paper, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have rejected would say: "This is but clear magic!"

I have come across some people who think exactly that when God sends them signs that break linear paths. They are very quick to scream magic/witchcraft.

QuoteDoes it mean that you insist on accepting all these realities as an illusion and illusion, even though we clearly present you physical things that you can perceive with your buyers?

QuoteYou have always called the world of matter a dream, an illusion, now taste the torment of the fierce fire and see if matter is real or is it illusion? Could it also contain an indirect warning in its sense?

I don't think 6:7 is about that. People I mentioned usually believe that the so called "magic" has come from rituals done by some magician.

I'm still trying to understand the nature of realities. The word illusion seems to be related to simulation theory. But
yes, it does get abused a lot. The misconception I hear from some is that if reality is an illusion then there is nothing good and bad.

Quote52:44 And if they see a portion from the heaven falling, they will say: "Piled clouds!"

Reminds me of climate deniers.

Quote54:2 And if they see a sign, they turn away and say: "Ongoing magic!"

In these verses, apart from their first meanings, can it be a warning for those who see the world of matter as an illusion and try to deny its reality by saying that there are "energy fluctuations piled up in the origin of matter" or something?

Those verses don't seem to be about matter, but unexpected signs from God that somehow get iinterpreted as magic.

Quote6:30 And if you could see them when they are standing at their Lord; He said: "Is this not the truth?" They said: "Yes, by our Lord," He said: "Then taste the retribution for what you have rejected."

Again, in this verse, the first and real sense of the disappointment of the unbelievers as a result of their religious denial is described. But again, if we are to do brain training other than the first meaning of the verses,  that those who thinks worls is a illusion despite all their proof of the material world be criticized indirectly.

Certain groups do prefer myths/ lies over facts/truth. That's mostly a mental problem though.

QuoteOur Lord does not swear on a dream. The truth is that he swears on them.

In short, the belief that "everything is a game of our perceptions, in fact matter is just a dream" that the Spiritualist/New Ageist doctrine tries to impose on people is not true.

That's actually true, but I think the word is beliefs instead of perceptions. They impact our lives. That's why, it is best to take control of them. God in Quran does a great job of explaining how.

As for dreams, Spiritualist/New Ageist  might be talking about something much deeper than what we know.
"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

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Spiritualists/New Ageists are pagan pantheists.

Our video about this:


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Quote from: Emre_1974tr on May 12, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Spiritualists/New Ageists are pagan pantheists.

Our video about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXA38GeVM6k

Sufis and Kabbalists are also pagan pantheists. Sufism is the Trojan horse of Spiritualism, it tries to infiltrate religion. I have Turkish articles and videos on this topic.

Examples;

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http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/11/kainat-veya-zihninizi-put-edinmeyin.html

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30:8 Have they never learned to think for themĀ­selves?5 God has not created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them without  truth and a term set [by Him]:6 and yet, behold, there are many people who stubbornly deny the truth that they are destined to meet their Sustainer!
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Quote from: Green Anarchism on May 12, 2021, 01:34:47 PM
You are a man of great moral character (68:4)


"Everything is energy and that's all there is to it. Match the frequency of the reality you want and you cannot help but get that reality. It can be no other way. This is not philosophy. This is physics." ~Einstein

Nice summarization presented in the tabular format.

Everything in this universe is available in opposite polarity, thus the contrast can be recognized.
As such that the opposition of polarity is here to stay, as long as this universe exist.

Having said that this universe and it's contrasting polarity is indeed an illusion..

Brahman Sathyam, Jagat Mithya

(only) Brahman is real, the universe is unreal.

Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Jafar on December 09, 2021, 01:21:11 AM


(only) the universe is

Abandon the heretical and pagan religion of duality. Drop the duality superstition. Drop the paganism and Hinduism.

Turn to Islam.

God/Allah says the universe is real.
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Quote from: Emre_1974tr on December 09, 2021, 05:39:03 AM
Abandon the heretical and pagan religion of duality. Drop the duality superstition. Drop the paganism and Hinduism.

Such statement is a perfect example of: Religion: Dictated Beliefs

Thank you, you've been a great help to show the opposite contrast.

Let me guess what will you do next, how about FEAR?
Sending out a threat? a punishment? a torture?

That's another key characteristic of religion that's not yet in the summarized table of "sprituality" vs "religion".