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Yes Muhammad is not a rasool but a Narcissist

Same to Allah and Muhammad

[Rationalism in the Quran]

'Rationalism in the Quran' at http://sasnoddy.com/timeless_articles/timeless_article1.htm is worth the read for all out there from an unknown thinker of this time ....

peace guest,

Please provide specific Quranic evidence for the following statements of yours (in bold), and provide quotes and/or reasoning where the opposing side said/think what you imply they think/said:

Peace Wakas,
Reply to number 2:
80:1 - He (Muhammad) frowned and turned away.
80:2 - When the blind man came to him.
80:3 - How do you know? He may purify himself.
80:4 - Or he may take heed, and benefit from the message.
80:5 - As for the rich man.
80:6 - You gave him your attention.
80:7 - Even though you could not guarantee his salvation.
80:8 - The one who came to you eagerly.
80:9 - And is really reverent.
80:10 - You ignored him

Allah testifies that this blind person is righteous who couldn?t read. But the abnormal approach condemns this righteous blind man because he relied on believers to learn salat and other rituals.

Reply to number 4:

The abnormal approach relies on dictionary to explain the Quran. Therefore, the dictionary is higher than the Quran. In other word the dictionary is full of wisdom! If this was the case then Allah would have given Prophet Muhammad the wisdom to consult the dictionary to obtain meaning of the Quran. Thus he would have been carrying dictionary with him all the time. Therefore, this abnormal approach imply Prophet Muhammad had a second hadith = dictionary.

Sorry for not providing the replies to other questions/inquiry at this time. I have a hectic schedule this week. I will respond to the rest very soon. 

I honestly became a quran only person,  but the truth must be said, most quranists people feel their heart tight when they hear mohamed's name, it bothers them, not all of them but most of them, mohamed is the enemy, they even respect rashad khalfa but not mohamed, they respect abraham too much but not mohamed, they praise scientists and some philosphers and some of them even calls them messengers, but not mohamed
Open your eyes Quran only people, we're all a nobody, knicknames on the internet, people who wants to learn of each other, but if u hear the name of mohamed, give some respect for the greated ruler in the history of mankind ,  is it me who is saying this??? no , it's allah
wa kountoum khayra umatin ukhrijet linness
you are the best nation that came out to mankind
that is mohamed's generation , the kingdom he established
if his nation was the best nation in the history of mankind, than their ruler ( mohamed ) is the greatest rueler in the history of mankind
whether you like it or not,  if you say to me no, that's not true, than I tell u yoy are liars and it is allah who said the truth about mohamed

Peace,

This is an honest observation and I agree with you assessment. Many people here act like their wisdom is equal to or greater than that of Prophet Muhammad. And if you carefully read their writing you will find that they are contradictory, incoherent and they are clueless as to the implication of their writing. These people know not to perform brain surgery on other because they realize they don?t have the knowledge and the skill to do so but when it comes to the religion they think they are on the top. In my opinion, this is an egoistic behavior.

Selam guest

I am not here to earn credibility or respect. I am not trying to sell anyone here anything which includes any theories. I am only pointing out that out of all the full moons you observe in a year there is a special one. Now try this test if you are truthful, observe all of them from now till october of next year and I will also, and we will talk again inshallah.

But remember guest if you are convinced with your timing method/intepretation of the Quran etc then may Allah bless you and may Allah guide us on the right path.

Peace

Peace

Like I said you guys are not serious in what you advocate!

What is ?special one? mean. Is it not a subjective definition? You need to provide a clear cut definition and the necessary criteria to determine the ?special one?

Don?t you know you cannot come to a definitive conclusion with a subjective concept? Haven?t you heard of the term ?beauty is in the eye of the beholder?? This is very flimsy approach. It is not recommended!

You cannot ask me to gather evidence for your faulty proposition. It is your responsibility to validate your proposition with proper evidence. Once you present your evidence and if it has any merits then I can further validate your evidence. But I already have the scientific evidence to invalidate your proposition.

Since you proposition is 100% dependent on seeing the clear marker, what do you do if you are unable to see the market due to clouds or some other problems? You don?t fast for that year right. This is absurd. Even more absurd is that you condemn calculation of moon?s phases which is so accurate and consistent with the Quran. Thus your premise is false!

[QURAN]

Enough of your crap guest.

if you can't use a dictionary because you're so incompetent don't. WHY NOT use the Quran? you haven't and choose not to yet you're on about truth. yet all you do is copy and paste with faulty or no justification. pathetic for someone who is trying to argue a position.

you're so fallacious it's not funny, you're logic is based on appeal to authorities, you take upon tradition over information. you continue to be evasive and try using ad hominem on me, thinking you can pick on me by saying i worship dictionaries indirectly, by comparing me to sunni's and Bukahri.. seriously grow up. in all this discourse you didn't even answer one question.

I didn't ask you use a dictionary except for one question. but you have comprehension problems

again i'll ask you the same question

USE THE QURAN TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF. enough hiding in your shell and attacking. if you can't answer admit your weakness, get off you're high horse.

Your ABNORMAL Approach is: Learn salat from the Quran.

Now let's look at some of the implications of your ill approach:

1.   This approach violates the Quran because the Quran does not tell us to learn salat from the Quran. Allah taught salat to imam and we learned it from them either directly or indirectly. The Quran commands the believers to perform salat

2.   This approach condemn people who cannot read. As they cannot read the Quran they wouldn?t know how to perform it. Likewise children cannot be taught as well. These constraints contradicts the Quran
 
3.   Followers of this approach equates their wisdom to that of Prophet Muhammad's wisdom when they say their way of performing salat = Prophet Muhammad?s way!! This is absurd because the Quran does not say that the followers of this approach were given wisdom. On the other hand the Quran does testify that Prophet Muhammad was given wisdom. This approach is trying to make a crooked path into the straight path

4.   This approach would have us believe that Prophet Muhammad was carrying a dictionary with him at all time to understand the meaning of Quran - a true absurdity

5.   With this approach everybody achieves the rank of Prophet Muhammad because they are following the Quran the way Prophet Muhammad did. To validate this claim they would have you believe that there is no wisdom outside the Quran in spite the clear revelation that says Prophet Muhammad was given the Quran and wisdom. They shun this critical understanding to justify their falsehood

6.   This approach teaches us not to trust righteous people because they will mislead us. Yet they would want us to accept their understanding. What makes them special? Aaaah the dictionary!!

7.   There is no concept of leadership in this approach which violates many Quranic verses. If everybody has to learn everything from the Quran and come to a common understanding then there would be no need for a leader as you already know to do the right things for all possible scenarios - A chaotic system

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The verse you gave referred to Isaac and Jacob who where a long time before Muhammed, even a long time before Jesus. I think we all agree that all of these were 'imams' in the sense of the verse you posted as proof nothing has changed.

Things did change regarding the practice from Isaac and Jacob through Moses to Jesus. The Christians now will tell you Jesus is the son of God, the living God, God in the flesh, is that what Jesus actually taught? No, it changed. Muhammed came and was told to establish regular prayer, he did, it was again changed.

Your post above agrees that it can get distorted, so one must assume you are expecting another messenger some time soon to correct it?  Maybe your dad, a neighbour, you?

The point I was trying to make is this:

Allah appoints the First Imam to teach righteous people the rituals e.g. salat
The Imam dies
The follower continue the rituals
Time goes by ??
..
Rituals are distorted or totally lost
Time goes by?..
.


Allah appoints the Second Imam to reestablish the original/modified rituals e.g. salat
The 2nd Imam dies
The follower continue the rituals
Time goes by ??
..
Rituals are distorted or totally lost
Time goes by?..
.


The process continues with 3rd, 4th,???.Imams


Allah appoints Prophet Muhammad as Imam to reestablish the original/modified rituals e.g. salat
Prophet Muhammad dies
Allah preserves the final book
The rituals are preserved as a consequence of preserving the final book
The follower continue the rituals
Time goes by ??
..
Rituals are intact
Time goes by?..
.
Rituals are intact

[Waja3alnahum وَجَعَلْنَاهُمْ]

I?ll say this, look up ?hadith? in a dictionary and look up ?hadith? in Quran. Once you do that look up ?truth?. When you?re familiar with the terms, re-read your statement:

nowhere did i say nor allude to such a conclusion so really you reject your own logic.

Let me tell you again not all hadith = evil.

Dictionaries are not the only source to help aid in knowledge, it is a tool. Stop assuming. it?s a really bad habit, honestly. 

I refuse to submit to your idol ?dictionary?. So please do not ever ask me to look up the dictionary when discussing the Quran. You are clinging to dictionary like Sunni?s hang on to Bukhari?s book.

I already told you that Quran contains nothing but the truth. And you agreed to it. Then why did you bring up this nonsense discussion. I have given you the possible motive for the discussion and I stand by it.

There?s a whole chapter about prayer and 2 times praying in the book ?the development of Islamic rituals? edited by Gerald Hawting, you can also find info about the 5 time prayers in it. Another scholar Mittwoch recognises Muslims prayed 2 times a day. Even traditionalist ibn kathir recognised it. In more later times you can find Ibn Arabi?s teachings, being famous for the morning and evening prayers he taught.

I already told you about my book of truth i.e. Quran. Then why are you trying to mislead me to your favorite books FALSEHOOD!!!!

For your information, satan cannot mislead obedient servant of Allah.
 

Lastly about the verse you quote in relation to imams, where did i say i reject the verse? Rather i reject your understanding of it.

Because of course you understand the verse and are refuting my position i ask you this

21:73

Waja3alnahum وَجَعَلْنَاهُمْ

Translated as ?and we made them? who is the ?them? referring to?

This answer is significant for our understanding of the verse.

Again, you are showing your true color i.e. the use of dictionary. Your approach is to bring the discussion to a word so that you can consult the dearest dictionary of yours.

ah and also you seem to have included another verse 21:79

what fact are we denying exactly here?

take your time and digest

I guess you don?t have the mental capability to do ?what if? analysis. Learn it. Then you will not be asking redundant silly question. 

Uha.  So who is the current imam that teaches people salat correctly?

But if there's always an imam to teach salat, why would it ever get distorted?

So again, who is the current imam of the ummah?

Prophet Muhammad was an Imam. He taught his follower the correct way of performing salat which he learned from Allah. Thus, Prophet Muhammad became an Imam by direct appointment of Allah.

Abu Bakar learned salat from Prophet Muhammad. And people learned salat from him.

This does not mean the rank and responsibilities of Prophet Muhammad and that of Abu Bakar is the same. One has the ability to teach the salat and the other can only learn the salat and pass it on.

If Allah raises an Imam to correct a ritual, he will let you know. At that point you can accept him or reject him. That will be your choice.