Homosexuality is NOT normal or right

[Neptin]

Peace!
Although the Qur'an does not explicitly penalizes homosexuality, it speaks of it in a negative light as it speaks about of alcohol and drugs. And therefore, homosexuality has no place in Islam. I believe most self declared Muslims share my stand. I reject the criminalizing and execution of gays according to traditional Islamic law but I reject the legalization and institutionalization of homosexuality in the modern western countries.

A couple of decades earlier, majority of persons you talk to see homosexuality as a detestable affair whose legalization was deem a joke. But fast forward to 2017, homosexuality has become something we all seem to admit, celebrate and even propagate. Anyone who is anti gay today is labeled a homophobe and bigot, just as anyone who merely criticize traditional Muslims is deemed an Islamophobe/bigot.

I have never considered the subject of homosexuality worth my time, I have to admit I never really questioned it. It seem more like a topic that I'd rather forget than discuss. But now, the gay right movement seem to all over the place. In the News, television, cinemas, music, video games, novels. These days it just seem that homosexuality is being shoved in our faces and anybody who dares complains is immediately branded a homophobe. Homophobia have now become a term employed to shut down even peaceful and intellectual critics homosexuality.

How did we come this far? How can something that runs contrary to the rule of biology be deem normal and acceptable, promoted by media and supported by government?

The fundamental purpose of marriage is to procreate and homosexual relations in itself defeats this purpose. I do not hate homosexuals or call for their head, but for a man to be sexually and romantically attracted to his own gender is an indication of psychological disorder.

Being gay may not be choice, but so is being bipolar. It is not normal, it is an anomaly, a sexual disorder that need correction.

Peace

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

This topic has already been hashed out in several other threads--it may be worthwhile to peruse them.

There is no mention of the word "homosexual" in AQ. There is likewise no mention of dancing or computers, or myriad other things. If one is disinclined to dance, or use computers, or have attraction for the same sex...it should be obvious not to pursue those things. It doesn't mean that they are prohibited for others.

Keep in mind that homosexuality refers to an attraction, and not an action.

There are many things that used to be commonly held beliefs; racism, sexism, slavery, polygamy, the-world-is-flat, etc. Popularity is no measure of truth. What does AQ say about if a person were to follow most of those on earth?

Homosexual acts are prevalent in nature, and found among all known species capable of sexual reproduction. In other words, homosexuality IS natural and normal.

Should marriage only be possible for those capable of sexual reproduction? A secular society is more likely to be just, and justice does not prohibit people from engaging in what benefits them and does not harm others. Is it better for a homosexual person to have one partner, or many? Marriage may promote monogamy among homosexuals, and prohibiting it may increase promiscuity (with the attached inherent risks of promiscuity). It could be argued that those that withhold marriage from homosexuals are not only oppressing (which we are warned against) but promoting promiscuity. Even if homosexuality is a vice (which hasn't been demonstrated), oppression and promoting vice (promiscuity) are certainly prohibited for believers.

What "correction" is proposed if homosexuality is a disorder? There is no so-called cure, but then again modern science does not acknowledge homosexuality as a disease but as a normal human expression.

There are several reasons why homosexuality seems to be in the news more these days is--wait for it--(1) it used to not really make the news at all--any increase in coverage seems disproportionate in contrast to zero coverage (2) homosexuals are still attempting to be recognized as having the same rights as straight people (3) it causes controversy and controversy causes viewing and attendant sales ($). It was probably the same case with women's rights in the US, and later on with civil rights in the US. The increased media coverage will eventually fall to a non noticeable level. The individuals and companies are responsible for increased media coverage--not an entire group of people.

Most people believe sexual matters to be private, and this is understandable. It is equally understandable that people want to exercise their rights, and be treated fairly. The strategy seems to be working. It is not shocking that some individuals and companies attempt to capitalize on this buzz, the same as any other phenomenon.

ALLAH knows best.



~Abdul-Hadi

[Man of Faith]

"Sexual disorder that need correction"

If the issue is biological how are you suggesting this is to be dealt with? Surgery on the brain?

I am relatively knowledgeable about psychology and as far as I know the "anomaly" is related to the biology of the body and not a psychological issue related to cognition. If the body sends hormonal-related signals to the consciousness to react by arousal this is based on instinctive thinking.

There are people who have acknowledged their homosexuality as an issue, but they have not manage to correct what they perceived as an issue, even after therapy of some form.

Much suggests that the sexual alignment is biological.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

[Amra94]

Homosexuality is not allowed doesnt matter if want to marry the person. Some say the verses about men approaching men are only about homosexual acts outside of marriage and rape. So when the men were asked why they approach men instead of women does that mean it's ok to commit illegal sex with women instead??

7:80-81 And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."

[A Submitter]

In Quran we already have information about what to do with homosexuals (those who commit it). For women is one, for men is another.

4:15 
And those of your women who commit lewdness, you shall bring
four witnesses over them from among you; if they bear witness,
then you shall restrict them in the homes until death terminates
their lives, or God makes for them a way out.
4:16 
And  the  two  men  who  commit  it  from  among  you,  you  shall 
trouble them. If they repent and reform, then leave them alone.
God is Redeemer, Merciful.

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

Homosexuality is not allowed doesnt matter if want to marry the person. Some say the verses about men approaching men are only about homosexual acts outside of marriage and rape. So when the men were asked why they approach men instead of women does that mean it's ok to commit illegal sex with women instead??

7:80-81 And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."

Since homosexual acts have been shown in existing archaeological evidence in societies that long predate the people of Lot (peace upon all prophets), it should be clear that homosexual acts aren't being talked about here.

Were the women and children also destroyed for these wrongs, or did they bear the burdens of other people? 

ALLAH knows best.



~Abdul-Hadi

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

In Quran we already have information about what to do with homosexuals (those who commit it). For women is one, for men is another.

4:15 
And those of your women who commit lewdness, you shall bring
four witnesses over them from among you; if they bear witness,
then you shall restrict them in the homes until death terminates
their lives, or God makes for them a way out.
4:16 
And  the  two  men  who  commit  it  from  among  you,  you  shall 
trouble them. If they repent and reform, then leave them alone.
God is Redeemer, Merciful.

Which word says "homosexual" again? How many witnesses are required? Isn't this really just a way of telling people to mind their own business?

Saying that 4:15-16 refers to homosexual acts is really forcing a meaning.

How does a homosexual "reform" anyway? 

ALLAH knows best.



~Abdul-Hadi

[Abdul-Hadi]

Greetings and Peace, all 

By the way, for those claiming that homosexuality is a disorder, have you considered the following?:

48:17 There is no burden on the blind, nor is there any burden on the cripple, nor is there any burden on the sick. And whoever obeys God and His messenger, He will admit them into gardens with rivers flowing beneath them; and whoever turns away, He will punish him with a painful retribution.

ALLAH knows best.



~Abdul-Hadi

[Amra94]

Greetings and Peace, all 

it should be clear that homosexual acts aren't being talked about here.

Peace
What the heck does men approaching men instead of women mean if it's not talking about homosexuality.

[Man of Faith]

Homosexuality is not allowed doesnt matter if want to marry the person. Some say the verses about men approaching men are only about homosexual acts outside of marriage and rape. So when the men were asked why they approach men instead of women does that mean it's ok to commit illegal sex with women instead??

7:80-81 And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."

Promiscuity is in the law, homosexuality is not.

However, I can agree homosexual intercourse is unproductive and merely for physical pleasure, so it a vain activity, vanity. Depends on how one sets their standards and if that kind of physical stimulus is meaningful. But the law sets the standard that vanity is sin.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel