Human greed and Animal abuse

[woke]

How disturbing! Humans are So greedy and selfish. Very sad

[Goddeo]

This whole animal abuse thing is scary a little bit. I was always wondering, why people are so mean to animals. To be honest, there is nothing bad that an animal will do to us if we are not aggressive. Well, wild animals are not counting, and even those animals. Do you really think that tigers, lions or crocodiles are doing something bad to you? If so, I think that you have some serious problems mate. If you notice an animal, don't kill it, call for help. Here https://louisville.aaacwildliferemoval.com/raccoon-removal you can have all the assistance that you might need and the point is that the animal will not be killed, but transferred to its natural habitat.

[Mohammed.]

(many traditional Qur'an translators translated 6: 118, 119 & 121 incorrectly). Qur'an used the root dh-k-r in 6: 118, 119 & 121 which basically means remembrance/bear in mind

peace quincy, and all,

Although "to remember, bear in mind," etc., seems to be the basic meaning, I'm unsure about the exact implications of "dh-k-r" in the above verses, as its meaning can vary depending on the context (e.g., 21:36, 21:60, etc.). Ultimately, it's up to the believer to determine the best fitting interpretation for 6:118,119, & 121 and decide on halal certification/labels.

[jkhan]

peace quincy, and all,

Although "to remember, bear in mind," etc., seems to be the basic meaning, I'm unsure about the exact implications of "dh-k-r" in the above verses, as its meaning can vary depending on the context (e.g., 21:36, 21:60, etc.). Ultimately, it's up to the believer to determine the best fitting interpretation for 6:118,119, & 121 and decide on halal certification/labels.

6:118 Sahih Int'l "So eat of that [meat] upon which the name of Allah has been mentioned, if you are believers in His verses."

Let me bring only one verse and probably if you use your intellect without any prejudice you will get all other verses about food and its restrictions..

Allah has not forbidden any food... NOT FORBIDDEN any FOOD... what Allah has forbidden is filth ... Unfortunately the above verse has gone nowhere with Sahih Translation.. A comprehensive understanding of the verse allowed me to translate in this manner:


6:118 So consume (Fa'kulu) out of which (Mimma) attribution (Ism) of Allah is considered (Zukira), if you are faithful ones in His verses."

*** No need to mention the name of Allah before eating anything
*** No need to mention the name of Allah before slaughtering an animal or fish etc.
*** All you need is the food that you are about to consume should be within the attribution considered by Allah..

So try to grasp what attribution is in-depth.. for example .. what is the attribution of the Sun.. fundamentally Light or Radiance and Heat.. Similarly, Allah has never forbidden any food.. Is blood a food? No.. Are dead animals food? No... Are decayed or rotten meat food? No.. Are those foods not attributed by Allah not even food and that's what you people were initially conversing about like infiltrating or torturing animals to consume them.. That's attribution other than Allah.. They are food on their own but the way you approach them to get them as food is not within the attribution of Allah considered etc..

Bismillah is not the name of Allah but the Attribution of Allah.. Allah has many equitable/well-balanced attributions (Asma Al Husna)
That's why I always believe that BIsm Allah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem is "In/with/of Attribution of Allah, The Merciful and The Generous" .. literally it states.. With attribution of Allah who has a couple of great attributions namely, He is the Most Merciful while He is the Most Generous...

If anyone understands this principle then every verse concerned in the above discussion is within your grasp with clarity..

[Mohammed.]

peace jkhan,

If God has not forbidden any food, what do these verses mean?
"...eat from what God has provided for you, lawful and good /halalan tayyiban (16:114, & 5:88, 8:69, 2:168)

22:36 prescribes fadhkurusmallahi 3laiha before/during slaughter (when they lined up), and this phrase is specifically used when referring to animals as food (including birds), not any other food, also, it's not exclusive to hajj (6:138, 5:4). The timing of this obligation/remembrance, however, is not explicitly mentioned in these two verses, allowing for individual interpretation.
And Quran says "The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided,..." (39:18)

And then we have
6:121 "And do not eat from what God's name/attribute/ism has not been remembered/mentioned on it, and that it truly is fisq..."

fisq is distinct from rijs/filth/impure (6:145, 5:3 etc.)

For concerns about animal welfare and ethical conduct, there are numerous verses that we can relate to,
Examples:
Who created the death/lifelessness and the life to test you which of you is better in deeds (67:2)
..so race/surpass each other in doing good deeds (2:148, 5:48)
..So whoever is expecting his Lord's meeting, so he makes/does righteous deeds (18:110)
And there is not a creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its wings, except they belong to nations like you belong. We did not leave anything out of the record; then to their Lord they will be gathered. (6:38)
..like that We manipulated/subjugated it for you, so that you may be grateful (22:36)

[jkhan]

peace jkhan,

If God has not forbidden any food, what do these verses mean?
"...eat from what God has provided for you, lawful and good /halalan tayyiban (16:114, & 5:88, 8:69, 2:168)

Brother Mohamed..
Hi..

Lawful doesn't mean forbidden food and needless to say what is good and good is a choice for every individual.. what is good for you may not be good for me.. for example.. allergic.. or if you like to eat the meat of crocodile it is food and lawful but it is up to me to decide it is good for me or not..

Significantly, we have to consider that Allah did not use the word FOOD and said forbidden.. Did He? If He has, pls bring it.. I didn't see it in my research.. That's unfair.. right.. Food, and then forbid?... Allah forbid that are not at all be considered to be food for anyone unless you are compelled and consider them to be food by yourself ...

salam

[jkhan]

peace jkhan,


22:36 prescribes fadhkurusmallahi 3laiha before/during slaughter (when they lined up), and this phrase is specifically used when referring to animals as food (including birds), not any other food, also, it's not exclusive to hajj (6:138, 5:4). The timing of this obligation/remembrance, however, is not explicitly mentioned in these two verses, allowing for individual interpretation.

2:36 is indeed not only for Haj but all those who kill animals for food under this verse... In fact during ancient Haj also they kill animals only for food and no rituals there but to feed the poor or for themselves, etc.. But brother Mohamed, Allah clearly commands and indicates that before they are to be killed, just CONSIDER attributes of Allah to be applied to them... Why? Because these animals should be under the proper conditions aligning with the attributes which are prescribed for us when it comes to consumption of food..
Here, the one who kills has to apply condition number 04 of the forbidden list.. That is Uhilla lighair Allah Bihi ... general term used for Uhilla is dedicated and I don't mind either but in fact the depth meaning of it is 'deserved/merited/worthed/Uhilla'... so.. 'dedicated or deserved for without Allah in it'... it means to say the animal slaughtered or its meat is not worth within the range of Allah but beyond... for example if in Haj, the animal could have been a hunted one and it is not an attribute of Allah to consume it because you are forbidden to hunt.. So once these animals (regardless of any situation) are in line it should be considered.. for example, the animal could be very weak or sick visibly and internally and it is not the attribute of Allah to slaughter it.. or for example, animal is half eaten by a wild beast or animals lined up cannot be killed other than slaughtering them (5:3 clarifies) and these things should be applied while they about to take their lives and it should be in line with Allah's attributes.. So do not beat them to kill or do not strangle and suffocate them to kill or do not pierce with sharp pointed clubs etc.. just slaughter them so that pouring blood completely ejected... When they are lined up apply attributes of Allah ... so simple..

It's not about mentioning the Name of Allah when they are lined up, but considering attributes of Allah before taking their lives.. Indeed 5:3 in detail explains what 'Uhilla Lighair Allah Bihi' is all about....

[Mohammed.]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, jkhan. I interpret verses 6:118, 119, 121, etc. differently. These verses imply an obligation to acknowledge, ideally, from before the slaughtering takes place, (being grateful for providing the animal as sustenance 22:28, 34, 36, see also 22:40, 24:36, 76:25 etc.).