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Does the Quran authorize man made laws ?

Started by Ahmd, February 13, 2013, 04:18:07 PM

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NS

Quote from: Jafar on February 19, 2013, 11:33:30 AM
So ???????
It doesn't mean that we should not make a regulation about it??
I can add to your list, the polar bear law (which I've mentioned above), the river flow conservation law, nuclear power law etc.. etc..

Fallen Angel, really summed up very well.

RELIGION is fake, thus as consequences RELIGIOUS LAW is fake, meanings is not GOD'S LAW.
GOD'S LAW doesn't need any help of human for enforcement.

POLITICS is fake, thus as consequences POLITICAL LAW is fake, as it's not GOD'S LAW.

I never disputed that murder should be kept illegal. But we have thousands of laws and regulations not sanctioned by the Qur'an.

Jafar

Quote from: NS on February 19, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
POLITICS is fake, thus as consequences POLITICAL LAW is fake, as it's not GOD'S LAW.

Of course POLITICAL LAW is NOT GOD'S LAW..

Yet that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all bad or evil as well..

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I never disputed that murder should be kept illegal. But we have thousands of laws and regulations not sanctioned by the Qur'an.

But we cannot that all of those regulations are ALL BAD or EVIL.
Some might be good some might be bad some might be half-good, third quarter good etc...
Every law should be judged case by case.
And refine (or abolish)or create a new one  if it's not good or met it's objective or doesn't have any clear objective or sometime the objective itself is bad / evil.

Salam / Peace

Jafar

Quote from: Fallen Angel 21098 on February 19, 2013, 12:14:50 PM

Then the question arises, how to devise the proper understanding? How to be sure we are correct? The thing is, there are many verses like 5:48 that show that humans are bound to have disputes, but then we have verses that focus on mutual consents and following the best of the saying, and then like you said, we have the Natural Laws of God, the Karmic Law etc. and even in the Quran we see God promising certain things as a result of others, hence, according to MY understanding, we should refer to the Quran as a source of guidance, and according to circumstances, discuss, and work hard to ensure that using His guidance, we devise the understanding that is most suitable to our conditions at the moment. Looking at the results of our efforts, it can be determined whether what we are doing is good or bad. What do you think?

Yes I agree..

And furthermore law should be made to provide "JUSTICE" and JUSTICE is for ALL.
Another basic principle which lay the foundation of JUSTICE is Empathy.
Empathy is the capability to see what other people see or to put your shoe in somebody else's shoe.

Slavery.. is it Just?
What if you're the slave?? How would you like to be treated?

Whipping women... is it just?
What if you're a woman? How would you like to be treated?

Robbing rich people / foreigner / people outside your group is it just?
What if you're a rich people / foreigner / people outside your group? How would you like to be treated?

Massacre and burn the entire village of your enemy after you won the war is it just?
What if you're 'your enemy'? How would you like to be treated?

etc.. etc.. etc..

Salam / Peace

Fallen Angel 21098

Quote from: Jafar on February 19, 2013, 12:51:00 PM
Yes I agree..

And furthermore law should be made to provide "JUSTICE" and JUSTICE is for ALL.
Another basic principle which lay the foundation of JUSTICE is Empathy.
Empathy is the capability to see what other people see or to put your shoe in somebody else's shoe.

Slavery.. is it Just?
What if you're the slave?? How would you like to be treated?

Whipping women... is it just?
What if you're a woman? How would you like to be treated?

Robbing rich people / foreigner / people outside your group is it just?
What if you're a rich people / foreigner / people outside your group? How would you like to be treated?

Massacre and burn the entire village of your enemy after you won the war is it just?
What if you're 'your enemy'? How would you like to be treated?

etc.. etc.. etc..

Salam / Peace

Salam,

Exactly, it's good to see that we are able to understand each other, discussing such topics through text alone and then being able to comprehend what the other guy has written is a miracle on its own.

NS

Quote from: Jafar on February 19, 2013, 12:41:26 PM
Of course POLITICAL LAW is NOT GOD'S LAW..

Yet that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all bad or evil as well..

Then stop using that argument against religion.

Jafar

Quote from: NS on February 22, 2013, 05:42:06 PM
Then stop using that argument against religion.

Why should I ??
RELIGION IS NOT FROM GOD, RELIGION IS HUMAN MADE.
SOME HUMAN CLAIM THAT THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD
WHICH IS FAKE / FALSE AS IT IS ACTUALLY HUMAN MADE.

Are you a fan of specific religion??

hawk99

Quote from: Ahmd on February 13, 2013, 04:18:07 PM
Does the Quran authorize man made laws for issues not specifically mentioned in the Quran...

Man does not have Two masters only one (ALLAH)

      God does not give every detail of laws to a society, indeed the scripture infuses
justice into the soul of it's adherants (guidance) so much so that laws should be a
reflection of universal order and peace.  God equips us with the ongoing message thru
revelation enabling us to instill his laws that are good for society.  The problem comes
when we or others are allowed to disobey God, enforce rulings that have
nothing to do with God's laws, and put forth an agenda not based on justice.

Jaywalking, or crossing the street at an unsafe location can be harmful to citizens,
therefore there is a law against jaywalking.
Fighting, or assaulting folks is bad for society because people can become injured
or killed, hence laws against assault. 
Someone said beastiality, number one, that is not of sound mind, secondly disease
This is the "spirit" of law, to protect, guarantee rights and to maintain civility.

God has not authorized oppression, but many countries engage in this awful
practice for personal gain.  Stoning, vengence, greed, lust, lies, murder etc.,
are not in conformance with peace and justice and are a violation of God's laws.

[16:90] GOD advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil,
vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed.

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The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

NS

Quote from: Jafar on February 22, 2013, 06:21:02 PM
Why should I ??
RELIGION IS NOT FROM GOD, RELIGION IS HUMAN MADE.
SOME HUMAN CLAIM THAT THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD
WHICH IS FAKE / FALSE AS IT IS ACTUALLY HUMAN MADE.

Let's review the logic here:

Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Earthdom

The circumstances is if your country is multireligion like in Bosnia & Herzegovina, you cannot force Serbs in there to follow Quranic law.
If you forced them then you will know what will happened to that country.

Jafar

Quote from: NS on February 25, 2013, 06:06:51 PM
Let's review the logic here:

Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

People of specific religion CLAIMED his/her religion come from God

Such CLAIM is invalid..

Religion is a noun, saying religion is invalid is indeed ilogical, it's the same as saying rocks are invalid or tree are invalid.
However.
Saying Rocks made up of water is indeed an invalid claim / statement