'S J D ' with clarity - indeed not Prostration

[jkhan]

3:112 is refering to people of the book and their continued denial of the revelations of Allah but in next verse in 3:113 Allah is talking about a different group among people of the book as under.

3:113

"They were not the same; among the People of the Scripture a group mindful / steady / upright (Qa'ima), reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and they are acknowledging / Honoring."

And this group of the people of the book are not like the people of the book stated in 3:111-112 but these are upright /mindful of the verses of Allah and they recite them and they ACKNOWLEDGE / HONOR and not DENY.. no prostration... I am afraid.. But it will take an uphill effort to get it unless I am sure people will be happy with prostration..

[Euphoric]

Salam...
I am not here to convince or to compel anyone to take my understanding but presenting my understanding and that too within arabic language but with context and logic

But that goes against what you're saying. The physical is still being mentioned.

What you posted gives you the linguistical context and in what way SJD is used.  And notice its in English translation and not the Arabic meaning. It's translating how the author understands it but the word is still SJD not honor or acknowledge.

The act of prostration implies that.

For you to claim it isn't physical, you have to show why based on linguistical evidence.

[jkhan]

But that goes against what you're saying. The physical is still being mentioned.

What you posted gives you the linguistical context and in what way SJD is used.  And notice its in English translation and not the Arabic meaning. It's translating how the author understands it but the word is still SJD not honor or acknowledge.

The act of prostration implies that.

For you to claim it isn't physical, you have to show why based on linguistical evidence.

Quran is clear for me... For you your path.. No objection...
NO ACT OF PROSTRATION....as you say.. It's only your speculation to the word SJD like many million in this earth. .. No debate... I am not here to debate... I am uploading my take.. My practice... Make it or break it... No harm... Allah knows who is guided aright... Leave it Allah... You keep seeking guidance  so do I.. Cuz we both believe in same God.... God willing He will mercy with guidance of truth...
Thank you...

[Euphoric]

You are lying and intentionally changing the words of the Quran. Every verse you posted implies a physical prostration.

If you don't know Arabic, I highly suggest you take lessons before misrepresenting the Quran and misguiding people.

The Quran isn't an English coloring book you can play around with.  It's an Arabic book that has been studied for over a thousand years.

Quran is clear for me... For you your path.. No objection...
NO ACT OF PROSTRATION....as you say.. It's only your speculation to the word SJD like many million in this earth. .. No debate... I am not here to debate... I am uploading my take.. My practice... Make it or break it... No harm... Allah knows who is guided aright... Leave it Allah... You keep seeking guidance  so do I.. Cuz we both believe in same God.... God willing He will mercy with guidance of truth...
Thank you...

[jkhan]

You are lying and intentionally changing the words of the Quran. Every verse you posted implies a physical prostration.

If you don't know Arabic, I highly suggest you take lessons before misrepresenting the Quran and misguiding people.

The Quran isn't an English coloring book you can play around with.  It's an Arabic book that has been studied for over a thousand years.

Your mentality is loud and clear... As long as I do not comply with you "I am a liar "...fine... If I am a liar I will definitely have the impression of it with my Lord cuz liar can only follow the path of Satan... So those who follow the path of Satan is astray far... If you are truthful,  keeo doing what you are doing... Did I ask you to stop...

Arabic?  Well well...  That's another arrogance amongst Arabs... Arrogance are well paid in this world itself... If arabic is a criteria for guidance then all Arabs should well and truly be guided aright... But God says "Guidance of Allah is THE guidance "... So Arabic won't guide... This Quran is not just a book to just understand but it's a book to seek guidance after reading it...

Anyway  .no more comments to you.. Cuz I am a liar in your wide opened eyes on top of that your arrogance of Arabic knowledge .. So what's the point of talking to a liar and non Arab . Right.. Keep away... Pls.
I am uploading my understanding and practice to let people know my view... Perhaps people like me would share their similar thoughts..

[jkhan]

Since I promised that I will in sha Allah bring all SJD verses,  allow me to bring Adam and Iblees verses though you already know what it...

7:11-12

"And We have indeed created you, and given you shape, then We said to the Malika, "Acknowledge to Adam"; so they acknowledged, except Iblees. He was not of those who acknowledged."


Allah said, "What prevented you from ACKNOWLEDGING (SJD)  when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."



Indeed arrogance was the only reason which prevented in ACKNOWLEDGING the creation of Allah to the level of Malika.. Allah didn't create a CAT and asked Malika to acknowledge but Human who was given high respect by Allah... Let us keep the meaning as PROSTRATION and put it this way,  When God asked knowingly from Iblees "what prevented you from
PROSTRATING PHYSICALLY to Adam,  Iblees could have said instead of what Iblees said in this way... "Why should I PROSTRATE to Adam who is a human made of clay while you are My Lord worthy of All praise and PROSTRATION"
Well that's not the case here.. Story is different... What they were commanded was to merely ACKNOWLEDGE / SJD... but refused by Iblees cuz Adam was lowly in his opinion  ... He seemed creation of fire is higher than clay.. But God had other ideas..
Reflect... I am not here to compel...
Thank you

[jkhan]

12:4
"when Yousuf said to his father, "O my father, indeed I have seen eleven stars and the sun and the moon. I saw them to me Honoring/acknowledging ."

12:100

"And he raised his parents upon the throne, and they paid/showed honor /acknowledgement (SJD) to him. And he said, "O my father, this is the explanation of my vision of before. ....."

The above two verses are very familiar to everyone but not in this translations..  Do you remember Yaqub, the father of Yousuf said that not to disclose his dream to his brothers.. You know why.. Yes.. The reason is HONOR in dream and the brothers already was fed up of HONOR cuz they considered their father showed all the respect to Yousuf alone...
Here what Yousuf saw was not PROSTRATION physically by Stars and the Sun and the Moon but what he saw is indeed they (SJD) / HONOR /acknowledge Him...
That's what in the end resulted... Yousuf was separated for ages and once He became literally and possibly a King they were united so his parents and brothers HONORED him thus acknowledged him after long lapse..

[jkhan]

7:206

"Indeed, those who are in the presence of your Lord do not disdain from serving (Ibada) Him, and they glorify Him, and to Him they ACKNOWLEDGE / HONOR (SJD)."

Now let's convert it to traditional translation the end of the verse and reflect..
"And to Him they PROSTRATE "
Now question is if the Malaika and whoever near to Allah are PROSTRATING Him alone then why Allah commanded them to PROSTRATE to Adam.. Total contradiction...
In reality no contradiction... What they SJD is acknowledge /Honor God in the manner He deserve with their intent like we acknowledge God in life.. But what was commanded in the case of Adam was to acknowlwdge /Honor him not in the manner as God but acknowlwdge with due honor.. But if the word Is PHYSICAL PROSTRATION then only ONE WAY.. got me?  Remember and compare now God said DO NOT (SJD) honor /acknowlwdge to the Sun or the Moon...if one can prostrate to Allah and Adam then why NOT prostrate to the Sun.. The reason is word SJD is just acknowledge / honor but with what intent you do depends but if PROSTRATION physically it depicts one object ie WORSHIPING.. no way.. It won't make sense.  If you can PROSTRATE to everyone and everything regardless who they are then PROSTRATION to God would make a piece of joke.

[jkhan]

I researched a lot on how SUN WORSHIPING is performed and in what posture etc in various cultures be ut Ancient Egyptian or Indo or Mayan or Babylonians etc and strangely non of them give any priority to a physical posture which is identical to Muslim Prayer posture commonly called Sujud /Prosstration...
So,  what I realized is God states do not SJD can never mean a physical posture but the HONOR / ACKNOWLEDGEMENT to the Sun... Mainly sacrifices are ritually performed in Sun worshipping along with certain ritual postures looking at the Sun...

[jkhan]

I researched a lot on how SUN WORSHIPING is performed and in what posture etc in various cultures be ut Ancient Egyptian or Indo or Mayan or Babylonians etc and strangely non of them give any priority to a physical posture which is identical to Muslim Prayer posture commonly called Sujud /Prosstration...
So,  what I realized is God states do not SJD can never mean a physical posture but the HONOR / ACKNOWLEDGEMENT to the Sun... Mainly sacrifices are ritually performed in Sun worshipping along with certain ritual postures looking at the Sun...

27:24
"I found her and her people acknowledging / Honoring (SJD) to the sun instead of Allah , and Satan has made their deeds pleasing to them and averted them from the Path, so they will not be guided"

Just to clarify... To acknowledge something one should do something  to make it a viable, true acknowledgement like Honor or respect or dignify or incline or submit or else they should have been commanded to acknowledge something or else they should self realize certain things or else it should come to them as heritage from ancestors so they literally ACKNOWLEDGE anything..

So the sun worshipping is an anceint ritualistic faith ACKNOWLEDGING the Sun as god... And their rituals could vary place to places in many ways... God here not mentioned that they PROSTRATE physically to The Sun but clearly said SJD /Acknowledge / honor the Sun and of course as god.. Needles for God to say what they do in their rituals.. For example even Ibrahim also was confused at certain point assuming that the Sun was his god but wisely he didn't ACKNOWLEDGE (SJD) to it..
Nabi Sulaiman's bird didn't find them PROSTRATING to the Sun but instead it found they had Acknowledged the Sun as god leaving Allah...once their Lord is the Sun whatever the nonsensical rituals they do is irrelevant ...