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Jesus was the nephew of Prophets Moses and Aaron

Started by Emre_1974tr, December 27, 2023, 08:12:41 PM

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Euphoric

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on December 27, 2023, 08:12:41 PM
"Joshua (or Joshua) (Hebrew: יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Yehoshua; Greek: Ἰησοῦς same as Jesus; Latin: Josue or Jesus; Arabic: يشع بن نون Joshua ibn Nun),"

As Wikipedia says, Joshua is already clearly spelt and read as "Jesus" in Greek and Latin.

In other words, there was no separate person named Joshua, as Christians and Jews think.

Joshua is Jesus himself.

....

By the way, after researching foreign sources, some people have realised that the prophet Joshua could actually be Jesus.

http://www.eliyah.com/nameson.htm

Some of the researchers who recognise Jesus and Joshua as the same person also claim that he was the famous ruler Tutankhamun.

It's best not to use the name 'Jesus' at all and remain using the Quranic names.

Emre_1974tr

Quote from: good logic on December 29, 2023, 03:18:08 AM
So what does the Qoran say about history and the order of lineage?

God has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amran (and messengers among them)) to the people.
إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصطَفىٰ ءادَمَ وَنوحًا وَءالَ إِبرٰهيمَ وَءالَ عِمرٰنَ عَلَى العٰلَمينَ
They belong to the same progeny. God is Hearer, Omniscient.
ذُرِّيَّةً بَعضُها مِن بَعضٍ وَاللَّهُ سَميعٌ عَليمٌ


2:136. Say: "We believe in Allah and in that which has been sent down to us, and in that which was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and his descendants, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the other Prophets. We are only those who submit to Him/Allah."

Notice that in this verse, the name of Prophet Jesus is mentioned right after Moses...

3:84 Say: "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."

Again,
Notice that in this verse, the name of Prophet Jesus is mentioned right after Moses...

4:163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

Here Solomon and David come after Jesus in chronology, or even last.


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jkhan

Quote from: Euphoric on December 29, 2023, 09:04:17 PM
Yaqub was Ibraheem's son Q11:71, he was born after Ishaq.

The only reason people are questioning the timelines is because of the Bible. But the Bible has been proven over and over again as a book invented by men and not a book of Allah.

The Quran is the only valid source for this information.

Peace..

I don't know what made you say so by reading 11:71 that Yaqub is son of Ibrahim.. I don't blame you cuz that's your choice and understanding..
But reality is Yaqub was grandson of Ibrahim.... Min warai the word used in 11:71 is used to show after the end of something...
In addition to that read 2:132 in it it stated As under
"And Abraham instructed his sons AND Jacob,  "O my sons, indeed Allah has chosen for you this direction, so do not die except while you are Muslims."

After stating His sons it used AND YAQUB.. it clearly indicates Yaqub is not son of Ibrahim.. But in the same verse Ibrahim states "O my sons" looking all (sons and grand son) and thats logical  ..
Even read 2:133 it states as under..
" Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We will worship your God and the God of your FATHERS(abai), Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Abai in Arabic is father and uncles and grand father etc.. It means grand father and his sons are Abai to one.. Confirm it with 24:61..
Anyway I have presented the evidence. I am not here to convince against the choice of anyone.

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Ibrahim two sons.. Ismail and Ish'ak respectively and grand son Yaqub.. And great grand son Yousuf and other 11 brothers.. And Zakaria and Maryam's mother  could well be
Children of Yousuf.. Imran, Maryam's father  was a Jew ... But continuation of pedigree of Ibrahim would have been terminated if Zakaria didn't have a son in the name of Yahya.. Mohamed must have blood relations to Yahya too i mean lineage .. That's my Quranic assumptions.
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Jafar

If the poster main statement is:
Joshua and Iashua is the same name.
Then that is correct.
ישוע = Iahshua, meanings Yahweh Saves..

But the character / personality which "conquered the philistine's land" (Joshua Ben Nun, the nephew of Moshe and Aaron) and "the Jewish apostate" (Jesus) is at odd with each others.

I personally more impressed with the personality of "The Apostate Iashua / Joshua" (Jesus) rather Joshua Ben Nun who conquered the phillistine's land.

Thus saying Joshua Ben Nun and Jesus is the same 'personality' is as weird as saying Siddhartha (The Buddha) and Temujin (Genghis Khan) is the same personality. Joshua Ben Nun had more similarity in personality to Genghis Khan, while Jesus had more similarity in personality with Siddhartha (The Buddha).

good logic

Peace Emre.
2:136 and 3:84 have nothing to do prophets coming after each other. They are talking about a succession of scriptures that changed laws .to  lessen the burden for them and keep  the trial going.
i.e Torah was followed by In jil  then was followed by Qoran. It is not saying Jesus came straight after Moses. It is saying the Gospel came after the Torah.
Israeel prophets were under the Torah law -Judaism- This stayed binding until Jesus came and got a new scripture -Injil/Gospel_

As for 4:163:
:163 We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

Surely Aaron was not after Jesus  Aaron and Moses came together, ,but he is mentioned later in the verse. This cannot be. in order of succession. This is to do with an order of inspirations and tasks.
History can easily prove David and Solomon came few centuries before Jesus. Their age was BC. Jesus is a marker that finished that era, hence  existed at the  start of the AD calendar.
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Euphoric

Quote from: jkhan on December 29, 2023, 10:17:25 PM
Peace..


Yes, I'm aware of those verses.  A simple mistranslation can throw the reader off.  Yaqub was in fact his son.

2:132 "wa" doesn't just mean "and" as in a separation. Wa has over a dozen meanings and is defined by the context. Here it doesn't imply a separate entity but in fact stressing on a particular object. I should mention 2:132 has a variant which doesn't mention Yaqub as a name. Same goes with the other verses you mentioned.

You have to look at all the different Qurans' since a verse and its meaning can change based on which Quran you're reading.

Some examples here https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612363.msg441794#msg441794

hawk99

Peace Emre_1974tr,

Are your suggesting that Moses and Jesus both lived during or near the time of Israel's contact with Egypt or that they both lived during the
time of the of the Roman Empire?

God bless you

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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: hawk99 on December 30, 2023, 04:09:52 PM
Peace Emre_1974tr,

Are your suggesting that Moses and Jesus both lived during or near the time of Israel's contact with Egypt or that they both lived during the
time of the of the Roman Empire?

God bless you

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I say they both lived in ancient Egypt age, but later, depending on how long they lived, their adventures may have extended to other civilisations.

Stories such as Osiris and Horus were derived and invented after the prophet Jesus/Isa/Joshua.


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hawk99

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on December 30, 2023, 08:11:00 PM

I say they both lived in ancient Egypt age, but later, depending on how long they lived, their adventures may have extended to other civilisations.

Stories such as Osiris and Horus were derived and invented after the prophet Jesus/Isa/Joshua.


Peace

Peace Emre_1974tr

Thank you good brother, according to most historians Musa lived a thousand years before Jesus, what's the misunderstanding by these historians.


God bless you


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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: hawk99 on December 30, 2023, 10:35:00 PM
Peace Emre_1974tr

Thank you good brother, according to most historians Musa lived a thousand years before Jesus, what's the misunderstanding by these historians.


God bless you


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Just as in religion or medicine or other fields, people who are considered experts knowingly or unknowingly accept false information and impose it on humanity. This picture is caused by many things.


Peace brother

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