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Salaam all.

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http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/04/14/daughter-of-prominent-islamic-scholar-faces-backlash-for-posting-photo-without-a-hijab-on-facebook/

It's sad how much of a big deal it becomes when a sister decides not to wear a headscarf but I think good on her for being true to herself.

Anyone read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39179674?

it's so common in muslim communities. I rarely hear the reverse of men being lectured by women

Salam,

Is anyone experiencing any problems with the forum?

I just posted something but it mixed up with someone else's username, I removed the post.

Was wondering if others had any issues?

[The most re-occurring category is the Muhsineen.]

Salam everyone,

I think everyone would like or hope to die doing or have done something God loves. So I did a little search and this is what came up:

God loves:

• The good doers : al muhsineen  (2:195, 3:134, 3:148, 5:13, 5:93)
  The God fearing: al mutaqeen (3:76, 9:4, 9:7)
  The ones who are just:  al muqsateen (5:42, 49:9, 60:8 )
  The ones who purify themselves : al mutahirina (2:222, 9:108)
  The ones who turn to repentance: al tawabina (2:222)
  The ones who trust in God: al mutawaqileen (3:159)
  The patient alsabirina (3:146) 
  Those who fight in God’s way in a row like a structure joined firmly (61:4)

The most re-occurring category is the Muhsineen.
some acts muhsineen do:

2:195 –spend in God’s cause and do good.
3:134 – spend in ease and in hardship, restrain from anger and pardon people.
5:13 – forgive those who break their covenant.

+ more http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599725.msg236101#msg236101

I'm on a hunt to find the best deeds

["RESPONDING"]

Peace all,

What I have noticed (which I can fault myself on as well) is that when we get into discussions (heated ones) we can drift into our emotions and our attachments to our beliefs and sometimes instead of "RESPONDING" we "REACT".

So as a reminder, try previewing your posts. If you feel you are reacting and not responding edit the message before posting. We can't force people to see our own logic, we can't force people to believe what we believe but at least we can argue in the best ways. We have control of that. we can control our words and we can share our knowledge.

16:125 (Asad) CALL THOU (all mankind] unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner-  for, behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided.

peace.

[I understand that there is falsehood in hadith and they can get circulated which isn?t a good thing]

Peace Everyone

Many people have come to acknowledge weaknesses in hadith and as such has lead some people to Quranic Islam.

I think that every single person in the universe follows hadith. The difference between say a Quranist and a sunni/shia is that one would say it is obligated, the other might say it is wisdom. Whether they follow it or not is up to their own desires.

When I speak of hadith I don?t particularly mean Bukhari and Co. How many users on facebook share a proverb? A common saying? A word of wisdom by some famous person? You might not be one of them but many people do this. You may read something and think it resonates with your mind/soul/thoughts does that mean you take hadith over the Quran?

The beauty about the Quran is it?s diversity in acceptance. It?s acknowledgement in that people are different and have rites and customs.
and for those that break into sects, that their case is with God...

Is eradicating hadith (other than Quran) the source to truth??? What would we become? People with no personalities. P.S Incase it isn?t clear I do not mean we need hadith to understand Quran.

We got the Quran as the criteria, so what if someone reads Bukhari and gains some wisdom. so what if someone reads journals and discovers things about themselves or the universe?

None of us are a clean blank state. we?re born into a world of discourses. Even from the minute we are born we all come out with different temperaments that are part of our identities.  Then we?re thrown into a family with their customs and ideologies. We go to local schools and follow their systems of knowledge. our personalities develop and we grow as we learn our surroundings and history.

So in life we learn things outside of the Quran, we follow customs and practises outside of the Quran. Does that make people idol worshippers? No.

I understand that there is falsehood in hadith and they can get circulated which isn?t a good thing. Though in life we all (muslims) try and strive for the same things, happiness, peace, belief in God and doing good deeds.

I?m at a stage where I think not everything is concrete black or white some are grey, light and dark and all in between.

The main reason for this post is to share this book (See link http://www.scribd.com/doc/119660399/dialogues-of-hadith-different-perceptions-and-insights). It could have been written better but I think it?s decent enough there are summary pages for lazy readers.

This is my current view. Share your thoughts if you please

Salam

P.s sorry for the provoking subject, thought it might capture your attention   

Salam

I'm curious esp for those who were traditionalists and reject ahadith. what is it that made you accept Quran. what makes you think it is more authentic than ahadith? or less questionable

share your secrets!

ok so i've been procrastinating meds thinking my body should fight off a cold.. so it kinda managed ok but now i've been stuck for a week with a dry ticklish and kinda phlegmy (yeh gross i know) throat.

i tried having some tea with lemon and some honey which got me thinking about  this topic. it soothed my throat for a lil bit but kinda momentary maybe it'll work on something mild. it's an interesting taste try it if you ever have a cold or just wanna chill.

if you know any good remedies do share

peace

Random thoughts...

State elections are up and it made me think.. the 2 dominant parties are just as similar as each other and i?m pretty much ignorant about what i?m really voting for. So many campaigns are out there to sell themselves off.. but really what is happening? How well informed are people about each party?

So if they?re just as bad and other parties won?t go to any (or much) positive avail. why not just donkey vote it? Then the thoughts creep in... pick the idiot you know (in power/position now) than the idiot you don?t.  Might agree here and there but hey better than having someone new. Or maybe someone new will give a positive change. So why waste a vote?

Ultimately none of them are mumins or known to be. So then the spiritual thoughts come into the equation. Are we taking kafireen as protectors/awliya over mumins?  i.e. we put them in that position to look after our state welfare/affairs. If more people put in an empty ballet, improper vote or donkey votes doesn?t that affect the ballet? Would it shatter the system if more people did it?

It?s not about shattering the system but is there ever a way for all people?s communities/ideologies to be accepted or voted for? Or to be known? Other than joining a party maybe there isn?t any other way?

Would you vote for a party that doesn?t agree to your ideology? Should we just vote for the different choices that are available to us? Is freedom true when you can only select whatever choices are on offer? If we could produce other choices maybe it would be too chaotic.

So i guess enough rambling what do you think of voting? 

Peace

I was reading and came across this:

?only the school of Abu Hanifa, himself of Persian extractions, is unequivocally in favour of the admissibility of language other than Arabic for the recitation of this holy text. As a result, his opponents have accused him of harbouring Zoroastrian sympathies? p53 -introduction to islamic theology and law: Ignaz Goldziher

it's interesting how many are told salat is to be done in arabic only yet, early sunni sources allowed for different languages.

If you care (or dare) to share, tell us about your avatar.

I'll start..

It's of an eye (nah duh!) it's green because it's one of the colours i like and no, it's not my own eye. everything else is dull because it's perception that sparks out reaction. they say 10% of life is real 90% is perception, is it true? just a theory but has some weighting.

why the eye?

it's symbolic to numerous things. The eyes is known to be the key to ones soul. what do your eyes tell you about the world? what do you perceive? do you enact this in life?

it's symbolic to perceptions our eyes see one thing, but is this reality? what is real? our eyes can blind us as well as enlighten us.

i choose the eyes as it's symbolic to awakening to seeing to knowing plus i think it looks pretty 

[WikiLeaks data shows U.S. failed to probe Iraqi abuse cases]

WikiLeaks data shows U.S. failed to probe Iraqi abuse cases
Phil Stewart, Reuters
October 23, 2010, 2:31 pm

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - WikiLeaks released nearly 400,000 classified U.S. files on the Iraq war on Friday, some detailing gruesome cases of prisoner abuse by Iraqi forces that the U.S. military knew about but did not seem to investigate.

The Pentagon decried the website's publication of the secret reports -- the largest security breach of its kind in U.S. military history, far surpassing the group's dump of more than 70,000 Afghan war files in July.

U.S. officials said the leak endangered U.S. troops and threatened to put some 300 Iraqi collaborators at risk by exposing their identities.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said the documents showed evidence of war crimes, but the Pentagon dismissed the files as "ground-level" field reports from a well-chronicled war with no real surprises.

"We deplore WikiLeaks for inducing individuals to break the law, leak classified documents and then cavalierly share that secret information with the world," Geoff Morrell, Pentagon press secretary, said.

The Iraq war files touched on other themes, including well-known U.S. concerns about Iranian training and support for Iraqi militias. The documents, which spanned 2003 to 2009, also detailed 66,081 civilian deaths in the Iraqi conflict, WikiLeaks said.

Assange told Al Jazeera television the documents had provided enough material for 40 wrongful killing lawsuits.

"There are reports of civilians being indiscriminately killed at checkpoints ... of Iraqi detainees being tortured by coalition forces, and of U.S. soldiers blowing up entire civilian buildings because of one suspected insurgent on the roof," WikiLeaks said in a statement.

In one 2007 case, according to the documents, an Apache helicopter killed two Iraqis suspects who had made signs that they wanted to surrender. The document said, "They can not surrender to aircraft and are still valid targets." It can be seen here: http://warlogs.wikileaks.org/id/E8DE9B9F-E468-B587-E4B332C09FF48BE2/

Although the Iraq conflict has faded from U.S. public debate in recent years, the document dump threatens to revive memories of some of the most trying times in the war, including the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal.

CRACKED RIBS AND EXECUTIONS

Those media organizations given advance access to the database -- 10 weeks in one case -- broadly concluded that the documents showed that U.S. forces had effectively turned a blind eye to torture and abuse of prisoners by Iraqi forces.

In one case, an Iraqi policeman shot a detainee in the leg. The suspect was whipped with a rod and hose across his back, cracking ribs, causing multiple lacerations and welts.

"The outcome: 'No further investigation,'" the Guardian wrote.

The documents also cited cases of rape and murder, including a videotaped execution of a detainee by Iraqi soldiers. That document can be seen here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iraq/warlogs/BCD499A0-F0A3-2B1D-B27A2F1D750FE720

The New York Times said that "while some abuse cases were investigated by the Americans, most noted in the archive seemed to have been ignored." It said soldiers had told their officers about the abuses and then asked Iraqis to investigate.

Amnesty International condemned the revelations in the documents and questioned whether U.S. authorities had broken international law by handing over detainees to Iraqi forces known to be committing abuses "on a truly shocking scale."

"These documents apparently provide further evidence that the U.S. authorities have been aware of this systematic abuse for years," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International's director for the Middle East and North Africa.

The document release could also renew debate about foreign and domestic players influencing Iraq, which has been in a political vacuum since an inconclusive election in March.

Military intelligence reports released by WikiLeaks detail U.S. concerns that Iranian agents had trained, armed and directed death squads in Iraq, the Guardian reported.

It cited an October 31, 2005, report stating that Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps "directs Iranian-sponsored assassinations in Basra."

The U.S. envoy in Iraq said in August he believed groups backed by Iran were responsible for a quarter of U.S. casualties in the Iraq war.

More than 4,400 U.S. soldiers have been killed since the start of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. All U.S. forces are set to withdraw from Iraq by the end of next year.

(Additional reporting by Adrian Croft in London; Editing by Peter Cooney)

Source:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8185825/wikileaks-data-shows-u-s-failed-to-probe-iraqi-abuse-cases/

I have a suggestion,

The search function is a little basic it takes a long time to find what is needed. Maybe a search engine which specifies what category/thread?

or even a search function for you're own posts. There's one for your private messages but not posts/threads

I was flicking through some books and I came across this link

http://forpeoplewhothink.org/ it seems to be a progressive muslim group/understanding with I guess a traditional friendly tone. At least in some things I have read.
I thought I'd share it, it has some interesting links and suggestions for reading

enjoy

peace