A different interpretation of chapter 4:3

centi50 · February 18, 2024, 11:20:37 AM

Salam to all,

I landed into this video 4:3 not about Marriage . He came up with a different interpretation. He says that verse 4:3 is not talking about marriage at all. He also said the word نيساء women in the Quran 4:3 which has hazma ء is not in the Sana'a manuscript which is only نسا and this changes the meaning. He said this hamza was an invention by someone in the name of Farahidi.

The video is in Arabic and hope someone with Arabic knowledge can summarize his interpretation here and comment on his interpretation.

The floor is yours Arabic speakers. Help the rest understand this video.

Just a side question. In the law of inheritance those extra wives is not mentioned. Can this mean 4:3 is not about polygamy at all.

I will be following members comments😊

Emre_1974tr · February 18, 2024, 07:23:53 PM

The permission for polygamy is not based on this verse. But other verses do.

For example, the verse that says not to marry 2 sisters together says that polygamy is allowed, but marrying 2 sisters at the same time is forbidden.

If polygamy was forbidden, there would be no need for the prohibition of marrying 2 sisters.

By the way, there is no restriction of four wives. A man can marry up to fifty or more women if the women so wish or if they give permission to their husbands.

jkhan · February 18, 2024, 07:44:02 PM

Quote from: centi50 on February 18, 2024, 11:20:37 AMSalam to all,

I landed into this video 4:3 not about Marriage . He came up with a different interpretation. He says that verse 4:3 is not talking about marriage at all. He also said the word نيساء women in the Quran 4:3 which has hazma ء is not in the Sana'a manuscript which is only نسا and this changes the meaning. He said this hamza was an invention by someone in the name of Farahidi.

The video is in Arabic and hope someone with Arabic knowledge can summarize his interpretation here and comment on his interpretation.

The floor is yours Arabic speakers. Help the rest understand this video.

Just a side question. In the law of inheritance those extra wives is not mentioned. Can this mean 4:3 is not about polygamy at all.

I will be following members comments😊

Salam Centi..

It is very difficult topic since many manipulation of Arabic words with time.. But never do what you have no knowledge of...

My understanding is in beloe link
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612270.0;all#msg441175

It's not marriage for sure...

By the way... Polygamy is allowed or not is not obvious in Quran but man can marry those MMAs.. They are not free women.. But it seems when you marry a free woman it could well and possibly one wife... Yes your concern of why no instruction for property division for more than one wife.. Cuz it could well and truly only one wife for one man..
My logical question is if polygamy is allowed while one has a free woman / wife, why divorce is required? Can't believer marry another free woman without divorcing her...?

Why to divorce a wife for her lack of comaptibility as partner while you can marry another free woman? Polygamy is a very intricate topic...i personally would never be a polygamist cuz there is no instruction in Quran to do so.. MMAs okay.. Clear instruction..

Note.. Sorry I didnt watch your video.. I have no knowledge of Arabic..

Fusion · February 23, 2024, 03:59:35 AM

While we can engage in theoretical discussions, I hold the view that Islam presents practical solutions to the myriad challenges humanity encounters. Consider a nation engulfed in war, leading to a significant loss of men and an increase of widows with orphaned children. In the absence of modern conveniences like global connectivity, marriage websites, cross-cultural unions, or online dating, what solutions are available? Certain verses might address these specific, time-bound scenarios, which might not universally apply across all eras. This raises questions about their relevance to contemporary situations, such as those experienced by people in Ukraine, Gaza, or the widows in Bosnia during wartime.
The Bosnian War, which took place between 1992 and 1995, resulted in significant human tragedy, including the loss of many lives, widespread displacement, and numerous human rights violations. One of the tragic outcomes was the large number of widows and families left without male providers due to the mass killings. The war deeply impacted the demographic and social structure of Bosnia and Herzegovina, leading to a substantial increase in the number of households headed by women.
The aftermath of the war saw many widowed women struggling with the loss of their spouses, trauma from the war, and the challenge of rebuilding their lives in a post-conflict society. These women often faced economic hardships, social isolation, and the daunting task of raising children on their own in a country struggling to recover from the destruction of war.
Regarding marriage dynamics post-war, there were indeed reports and observations that some men took multiple wives in the years following the conflict. This was partly attributed to the skewed gender ratios resulting from the war, as well as the desire to rebuild the Muslim community in the aftermath of the genocide.
I tend to shift towards GA Pervaiz translation of verse 4:3

https://www.parwez.tv/abid/mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/s4.htm
But the problem of orphans (or those left alone in the society) is not solved simply by taking care of their property – it has other implications as well. For instance, if a situation arises, out of a war or otherwise – where a large number of men die, leaving behind widows and orphans, or you have a large number of marriageable women who cannot find husbands (4/127) and they cannot marry outside your circle; so if you cannot find an equitable solution to this problem then permission is hereby given to you to relax the Law of monogamy and those amongst you who can afford it and can treat all justly can marry two or three or four women of their liking. But if you fear that you cannot do justice, then only one or the female captives who are already in your charge. This will relieve you from the burden of a large family.

Bajram Hoxhaj · February 25, 2024, 07:08:01 AM

Quote from: jkhan on February 18, 2024, 07:44:02 PMBy the way... Polygamy is allowed or not is not obvious in Quran

Salāmun Alaykum!

Polygamy refers to a person, whether male or female being married to multiple partners.

Polygyny specifically refers to a man being married to multiple wives at the same time.

4:23
prohibited it upon you (m/pl.) mothers yours (m/pl.) ...
and that thou assemble ye of between the sisters two ...

Quote from: jkhan on February 18, 2024, 07:44:02 PMYes your concern of why no instruction for property division for more than one wife..

4:12 and for them (f/pl.) the fourth mimmā (from what) left you (m/pl.) ...
example: 1/3 mother (4:11), 1/4 wives, 5/12 father

centi50 · February 25, 2024, 03:23:48 PM

Quote from: jkhan on February 18, 2024, 07:44:02 PMSalam Centi..

It is very difficult topic since many manipulation of Arabic words with time.. But never do what you have no knowledge of...

My understanding is in beloe link
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612270.0;all#msg441175

It's not marriage for sure...

By the way... Polygamy is allowed or not is not obvious in Quran but man can marry those MMAs.. They are not free women.. But it seems when you marry a free woman it could well and possibly one wife... Yes your concern of why no instruction for property division for more than one wife.. Cuz it could well and truly only one wife for one man..
My logical question is if polygamy is allowed while one has a free woman / wife, why divorce is required? Can't believer marry another free woman without divorcing her...?

Why to divorce a wife for her lack of comaptibility as partner while you can marry another free woman? Polygamy is a very intricate topic...i personally would never be a polygamist cuz there is no instruction in Quran to do so.. MMAs okay.. Clear instruction..

Note.. Sorry I didnt watch your video.. I have no knowledge of Arabic..

Salam Bro,

He was showing also the word Nisa'a with hamza is not in the Sana'a manuscript. Then it changes nasaa to forget I think so. Sister huruf and brother nun should summarized what was saying. I thinks it will help.

To me aslo I am not inclined to polygamy card in the Quran and i
Even if it exsist irs not to any woman but to mother's of orphans

God bless all.

Huruf, mazhar, SaraY and noon should see the vid and summarize

Bajram Hoxhaj · February 27, 2024, 01:00:12 AM

Peace,

In the video, he exhibits an ancient manuscript (4:176) where the hamza in 'ونسا' (and women) is absent, without acknowledging that markings were absent in all old manuscripts for hundreds of years. The script itself was quite rudimentary, designed solely for quick memory recall.

https://corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/4/verse/176/manuscripts

He seems to confuse different roots:
Nūn Sīn Wāw (ن س و) - e.g., 3:42 Nisā نِسَآء (women)
Nūn Sīn Yā (ن س ي) - e.g., 19:23 Mansīyāan مَنْسِيًّا (one forgotten)

He talks about the meanings of Rā Jīm Lām (ر ج ل):
https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=rjl#(4:176:36)

Goes into 'rijāl,' are those working/providing for those who are forgotten 'nisa.'
While in context, he neglects 59 occurrences in Qur'an mean womanhood of any age.

As previously posted Qur'an doesn't prohibit polygyny except in the case of sisters.

4:3 – to provide an example (I'm still investigating this as it's my idea and observation):

When I was coaching youth soccer, my goal was to capture their attention. I would instruct the kids to quickly form pairs or twos/Mathná (masculine), and if any were standing alone, I would make them to do push-ups, etc. Subsequently, I would say, 'Get into threes/Thulātha (masculine),' and if anyone was caught not in a group, they would do sit-ups, etc. Likewise, I would instruct them to form groups of four/Rubā`a (masculine), and so on, or to form a group unified/Wāĥidatan (feminine).

Another is the meaning of 4:3 فَانْكِحُوا and 28:27 said indeed I want that أُنْكِحَكَ "betroths via work sponsorship you" one (f) daughters two mine these two on that thou work for me eight hijajin so if finishes thou ten, so up to you, and not I want that make arduous upon you, shall thou find me if wills Allah among the righteous.

centi50 · March 05, 2024, 05:41:19 AM

Quote from: jkhan on February 18, 2024, 07:44:02 PMSalam Centi..

It is very difficult topic since many manipulation of Arabic words with time.. But never do what you have no knowledge of...

My understanding is in beloe link
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612270.0;all#msg441175

It's not marriage for sure...

By the way... Polygamy is allowed or not is not obvious in Quran but man can marry those MMAs.. They are not free women.. But it seems when you marry a free woman it could well and possibly one wife... Yes your concern of why no instruction for property division for more than one wife.. Cuz it could well and truly only one wife for one man..
My logical question is if polygamy is allowed while one has a free woman / wife, why divorce is required? Can't believer marry another free woman without divorcing her...?

Why to divorce a wife for her lack of comaptibility as partner while you can marry another free woman? Polygamy is a very intricate topic...i personally would never be a polygamist cuz there is no instruction in Quran to do so.. MMAs okay.. Clear instruction..

Note.. Sorry I didnt watch your video.. I have no knowledge of Arabic..

Salam,

This is another video Of polygamy. He says the 4:3 is nito marry but to marry off

https://youtu.be/CpYOD2e-jsI

God bless

jkhan · March 05, 2024, 05:43:51 AM

Quote from: centi50 on March 05, 2024, 05:41:19 AMSalam,

This is another video Of polygamy. He says the 4:3 is nito marry but to marry off

https://youtu.be/CpYOD2e-jsI

God bless

Not marry for sure..
Not marry off = doubtful...
But surely emancipate the orphans

Bajram Hoxhaj · March 05, 2024, 03:14:46 PM

‎⁧أَنْكَحَ⁩

to marry off, to give in marriage

4:3 is similar to 28:27

‎قَالَ إِنِّي أُرِيدُ أَنْ أُنكِحَكَ إِحْدَى ابْنَتَيَّ هَاتَيْنِ عَلَى أَن تَأْجُرَنِي ثَمَانِيَ حِجَجٍ⁩

(The old man) said, "I wish to marry one of these two daughters of mine to you ...

Translation and Transliteration:

قَالَ (Qāla) - He said
إِنِّي (Innī) - Indeed, I
أُرِيدُ (Uriidu) - wish
أَنْ (An) - to
أُنكِحَكَ (Unkiḥaka) - marry you
إِحْدَى (Iḥdā) - one (feminine)
ابْنَتَيَّ (Ibnatayya) - of my daughters
هَاتَيْنِ (Hātayni) - these two
عَلَى (Alā) - on
أَن (An) - that
تَأْجُرَنِي (Ta'jurani) - you serve me
ثَمَانِيَ (Thamāniya) - eight
حِجَجٍ (Ḥijāj) - pastural migrations

centi50 · March 07, 2024, 03:48:14 PM

Quote from: Fusion on February 23, 2024, 03:59:35 AMWhile we can engage in theoretical discussions, I hold the view that Islam presents practical solutions to the myriad challenges humanity encounters. Consider a nation engulfed in war, leading to a significant loss of men and an increase of widows with orphaned children. In the absence of modern conveniences like global connectivity, marriage websites, cross-cultural unions, or online dating, what solutions are available? Certain verses might address these specific, time-bound scenarios, which might not universally apply across all eras. This raises questions about their relevance to contemporary situations, such as those experienced by people in Ukraine, Gaza, or the widows in Bosnia during wartime.
The Bosnian War, which took place between 1992 and 1995, resulted in significant human tragedy, including the loss of many lives, widespread displacement, and numerous human rights violations. One of the tragic outcomes was the large number of widows and families left without male providers due to the mass killings. The war deeply impacted the demographic and social structure of Bosnia and Herzegovina, leading to a substantial increase in the number of households headed by women.
The aftermath of the war saw many widowed women struggling with the loss of their spouses, trauma from the war, and the challenge of rebuilding their lives in a post-conflict society. These women often faced economic hardships, social isolation, and the daunting task of raising children on their own in a country struggling to recover from the destruction of war.
Regarding marriage dynamics post-war, there were indeed reports and observations that some men took multiple wives in the years following the conflict. This was partly attributed to the skewed gender ratios resulting from the war, as well as the desire to rebuild the Muslim community in the aftermath of the genocide.
I tend to shift towards GA Pervaiz translation of verse 4:3

https://www.parwez.tv/abid/mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/s4.htm
But the problem of orphans (or those left alone in the society) is not solved simply by taking care of their property – it has other implications as well. For instance, if a situation arises, out of a war or otherwise – where a large number of men die, leaving behind widows and orphans, or you have a large number of marriageable women who cannot find husbands (4/127) and they cannot marry outside your circle; so if you cannot find an equitable solution to this problem then permission is hereby given to you to relax the Law of monogamy and those amongst you who can afford it and can treat all justly can marry two or three or four women of their liking. But if you fear that you cannot do justice, then only one or the female captives who are already in your charge. This will relieve you from the burden of a large family.

Salam with all the wars world population is nearly 1:1

centi50 · March 07, 2024, 03:57:18 PM

Quote from: Bajram Hoxhaj on February 25, 2024, 07:08:01 AMSalāmun Alaykum!

Polygamy refers to a person, whether male or female being married to multiple partners.

Polygyny specifically refers to a man being married to multiple wives at the same time.

4:23
prohibited it upon you (m/pl.) mothers yours (m/pl.) ...
and that thou assemble ye of between the sisters two ...

4:12 and for them (f/pl.) the fourth mimmā (from what) left you (m/pl.) ...
example: 1/3 mother (4:11), 1/4 wives, 5/12 father

Quote from: jkhan on March 05, 2024, 05:43:51 AMNot marry for sure..
Not marry off = doubtful...
But surely emancipate the orphans

Verse 4:3 I dont think is marry the orphans (assuming is) how can you take care of orphans and then marry them. You are like a father/guardian to them. Really how can someone marry those orphan women after u been taking care of them untill they are mature to handle there properties.

Polygamy does not sit well with me. Let's say it's polygamy then it cant be just any other woman. I think it must be their mothers and not the orphan child.

Or what do you think Bro Jkhan

jkhan · March 07, 2024, 08:47:50 PM

Quote from: centi50 on March 07, 2024, 03:57:18 PMVerse 4:3 I dont think is marry the orphans (assuming is) how can you take care of orphans and then marry them. You are like a father/guardian to them. Really how can someone marry those orphan women after u been taking care of them untill they are mature to handle there properties.

Polygamy does not sit well with me. Let's say it's polygamy then it cant be just any other woman. I think it must be their mothers and not the orphan child.

Or what do you think Bro Jkhan

Peace Centi and everyone..

If you read from 4:1-12, it glaringly manifests that it has nothing to do with MARRIAGE but it's all about ORPHANS and PROPERTY ENTRUSTING without a will and very much correlated to death of parent /parents..

Don't ever neglect the fact that this word nūn kāf ḥā ن ك ح
has meaning of marriage bond, as well emancipate / manumit / liberate...
Even in a marriage parents liberate their children from their own responsibility... Though we use word marriage, in reality it is liberation..

Carefully read 4:6 .. It doesn't state when they reached age of marriage.. Let me bring whole verse..

4:6
" And try the orphans, eventually they reached of the state of liberation / emancipation (alNikah). Then if you sensed in them discernment, entrust their wealth to them. And do not consume it excessively and hastily, that they (orphans) will grow up. And whoever, is self-sufficient be restrained and whoever is poor, let him consume in fairness. Then when you entrusted their wealth to them, testify /assert upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Reckoner."

The above is absolute truth in my comprehensive understanding...
No orphans can stay with the guardian forever.. They are guardians since the child became an orphan.... When one reaches to certain age limit they are adult for example at least 18...then the guardian need not continue .. But guardian can decide even at 16 depends on orphan's discernment... This is how emancipation / liberation / manumit should be done in proper way... That's a completion of guardianship and not by marrying them off... It's not his Reaponsibility .. What nonsense? Why to suppress the guardian with an adult's responsibility while he or she can find a way out since they became adult and they have their wealth inherited from parents..

Now look at 4:3...
Here the guardian of orphans feels burdened and he fears / worries of orphans responsibility.. Perhaps guardian is poor and doesn't like to consume orphans wealth etc.. . So Allah tells to such a person ie who cannot complete his guardianship until they be properly emancipated (like4:6) to the society, then liberate them (due to lack of options) by two or three or four indeed with their wealth either to the society as free person or someone else as guardian .. But if he still feels worried for the orphans that these orphans are not matured enough then one only.. Perhaps the most eldest. By his choice.. Or liberate his own MMA perhaps he would feel little off from hectic burden in his list..

Check Nikah meanings and definitely it has a meaning of emancipate in Arabic..

amin · March 07, 2024, 10:41:30 PM

4.3 And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphans(kids), then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hands possess [i.e., slaves]. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

Its about the orphan kids, father who lost his wife but with children and without any other support,then father could marry, to have a support for the orphans, also marriage is more of a support system, the multiple, the person has more strength and responsibility to support. Normally rich powerful people marry more than one to support their family. We need to see the conditions of society then to understand this.

jkhan · March 07, 2024, 11:11:49 PM

@Amin..

Don't misunderstand me and don't get angry with me.. This is the weirdest I have ever heard in this topic..

So to look after your own kid/s being a single parent (father) he had to marry four women just cuz he became a widowed... Why need four wives to look after children?
And you know well you can't marry unless you pay dowry to women and in case of free woman that's hectic..
Look brother Amin.. Allah has never hampered any man from marrying a woman when he lost his wife.. So he can always marry a woman but why four? Did he lose four of his previous wifes? And it is husbands duty to look after wives thats clear in black and white in Quran.. So if you marry looking for riches of women and depend on them then it is shame.. Come on open your eyes.. Then why Allah says if Nika taken marriage to marry MMA and whst benefit for him and children in connection with wealth while MMA is his own responsibility regardless of marriage.. He can always command MMA to look after children.. Cuz they are MMA.. So what riches MMA will bring by marrying them on connection with orphans. Further you indirectly stating this father was living in wife's property all the time and as soon as she died he became poor so he was commanded to marry four..

No need to be desperate to bring meaning to Allahs pure verses to streamline and iron out polygamy... Polygamy existed in that society...

Note.. Yatama orphans are considered fatherless or both makes sense and not motherless.yes modern meaning of orphan can mean single parent is orphan.. While father is living to call orphan is strange while father can marry and she becomes stepmother.. While having stepmother no one is orphan.. I guess..

amin · March 08, 2024, 12:10:44 AM

Quote from: jkhan on March 07, 2024, 11:11:49 PM@Amin..

Don't misunderstand me and don't get angry with me.. This is the weirdest I have ever heard in this topic..

So to look after your own kid/s being a single parent (father) he had to marry four women just cuz he became a widowed... Why need four wives to look after children?
And you know well you can't marry unless you pay dowry to women and in case of free woman that's hectic..
Look brother Amin.. Allah has never hampered any man from marrying a woman when he lost his wife.. So he can always marry a woman but why four? Did he lose four of his previous wifes? And it is husbands duty to look after wives thats clear in black and white in Quran.. So if you marry looking for riches of women and depend on them then it is shame.. Come on open your eyes.. Then why Allah says if Nika taken marriage to marry MMA and whst benefit for him and children in connection with wealth while MMA is his own responsibility regardless of marriage.. He can always command MMA to look after children.. Cuz they are MMA.. So what riches MMA will bring by marrying them on connection with orphans. Further you indirectly stating this father was living in wife's property all the time and as soon as she died he became poor so he was commanded to marry four..

No need to be desperate to bring meaning to Allahs pure verses to streamline and iron out polygamy... Polygamy existed in that society...

Note.. Yatama orphans are considered fatherless or both makes sense and not motherless.yes modern meaning of orphan can mean single parent is orphan.. While father is living to call orphan is strange while father can marry and she becomes stepmother.. While having stepmother no one is orphan.. I guess..

Yes, i understand you, but this is what i get when i first read the verse. But the common understanding is about marrying the orphans when he feels the orphans cannot be married to himself(he has authority somehow to decide on this) he seek elsewhere, two three or four or one or slave, as per his status.

Why i got that understanding is, Orphans normally refers to the children without support and not mature people, after maturity they lose their status, so i thought they should be well below marriage age, so need support for their growing up... and the marriage part comes next, but i may be wrong.

jkhan · March 08, 2024, 01:47:51 AM

Quote from: amin on March 08, 2024, 12:10:44 AMYes, i understand you, but this is what i get when i first read the verse. But the common understanding is about marrying the orphans when he feels the orphans cannot be married to himself(he has authority somehow to decide on this) he seek elsewhere, two three or four or one or slave, as per his status.

Why i got that understanding is, Orphans normally refers to the children without support and not mature people, after maturity they lose their status, so i thought they should be well below marriage age, so need support for their growing up... and the marriage part comes next, but i may be wrong.

In my comprehension ORPHAN means always devoid of BIOLOGICAL parents (both)... I will never change that understanding when it comes to Quran..
Word orphan may have gone through its alterations over time due to various social benefits etc.. But truth cannot be altered.. Having said that let me elaborate little further... No extreme strangers take the responsibility of orphans but their close relatives mostly unless and otherwise.. Wasn't Maryam an orphan at certain period of her childhood? Yes she was according Quran verses unless you disagree.. .. So.. People took responsibility of her or rather responsibility was assigned through decisions to whome she should be given to take care of.. So Zakaria became the fortunate..
Similarly.. Responsibility of orphan/s is/are assigned to their most appropriate person/relative..
That's why I am totally against to the conventional translations of MARRY MOTHERS of Orphans.. You know why.?. These orphan kid/s could be of deceased sister or brother or anyone whome one cannot marry technically... So how to commonly say MARRY THE MOTHERS of orphans.. Nonsensical... That's beyond probability...
Orphan doesn't always mean homeless... Just get rid of that if anyone thinks so.. Just they have lost mother and father.. But their properties still around including liquid and solid (thats why Allah always said dont consume orphans wealth) ... But they are not matured enough to consume them socially and they are in need of matured person's support and most probably a male/relative.. Technically there is no connection with the word of orphan and adult... Orphan is always below adulthood..
If you read my 4:6 translation, then I am sure you will be able to get 4:3-5...
Logically ponder in 4:3 such a guardian after assuming responsibility of an orphan why KHIFT / FRUSTRATE OR FEAR OR WORRY.. there must be reason why he fears in the matter of orphans, not easy .. Is marrying them off is the solution to his fear? No.. He doesn't need to fear and marry them off.. He could have given them in marriage without any fear.. Why to fear and marry them off.. Fear here is not marriage.. Did they grow up quickly so that God suddenly says marry them off.. ? Nope.. Never.. If 4:3 is marry them off then again 4:6 also marry them off? That doesn't make sense... Allah doesn't state any sort of fear in the verse 4:6?
Yes.. Orphans didnt grow up that quickly in verse 4:3 but the guardian is in dilemma and 4:6 only orphans grew up.. And he found it difficult to handle them for whatever of a guardian personally can go through and Allah didn't specifically state what the worry was... But Allah gave options .. Yes he can still be guardian technically but LIBERATE them either two or three or four to their respective homes or with an acting guardian but if still he fears liberate only one... And give them with SADAQA/charity and if the acting guardian accepts okay otherwise he can consume.. It shows they (guardians) should handle the difficulties in their own.. And they are allowed to use in fairness the wealth of orphans too in case they be poor.
Well once their due time of true EMANCIPATION (Alnikah) falls, entrust all their wealth and you become free from their custodianship... Cuz they became adult and no more an orphan..
And now it's believers duty to marry them with their willingness by giving their dues and don't undermine cuz of they were orphans in childhood.. (4:127) they are free woman and free men and not MMA.. Never to do ill-treatment like the complaint of women in 4:127

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A different interpretation of chapter 4:3