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Quran 42:29 speaks about Samawaat, not Saba Samawaat. The problem is you are thinking Saba Samawat and Samawat are same things. Remember, I am not denying that their are Aliens in other places in the Universe. The point of contention is that Seven Heavens are not the Seven Multiverses or Seven layers of this Universe but Seven Classical Planets. And so Allah's Throne is above Samawaat, not Saba Samawaat in all Throne verses of Quran.

So if I tell you I love Ice Cream. Does it mean that I love Ice and Cream? Saba Samawat is proper noun that people are already familiar with on those days as what they mean. You didn't refute my points that I said in my reply to you. You just don't want to listen and only want to speak. That's now how truth is achieved. Check out the article I already gave you first, read it fully then we can have a debate on youtube. Okay?

Next time when you meet someone who's from Iceland, don't assume that he's living in a land of ice, but a country. Saba Samawaat should not be equated with Samawaat. Samawaat has a much larger context and Saba Samawaat are specifically only Seven Classical Planets.

Peace!

As can be seen, the Qur'an clearly presents a multiverse model. I have shown this with evidence in the following pages of this thread.

Therefore, the use of the word heaven in the English sense of paradise must cease. In Arabic, the words paradise and sky are different.

Well, that's not true. Sorry!

Read 71:15 and 71:16.

71:15 speaks of Seven Heavens

71:16 speaks of Moon and Sun within them.

What significance is Moon and Sun with Seven Heavens? Unless it is Geocentric Model with Earth in the center and Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn as Layers around it.

Don't believe me. Just tell me why is Noah talking to disbelievers about Seven Heavens in 71:2 to 71:17 and telling them about Seven Heavens? Unless disbelievers already know what Seven Heavens are in their times.

Disbelievers would only make sense of what he's saying if Noah is speaking based on the science of his days i.e. Geocentric Model.

23:17 And indeed, We created above you Seven Orbits, We are never unaware of the creation.

Verse 23:17 even mentions that these seven bodies are in orbit using the Arabic word 'Taraiq' i.e. 'Orbits', 'Roads' or 'Paths'.

Check out this image https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3APtolemaic_system_2_%2528PSF%2529.png&psig=AOvVaw1evCpw9P7wBH1xcILR1O-B&ust=1703240130589000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCIif_YumoIMDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Have you really spent your 5 minutes, only 5 full minutes to explore my article? I challenge you to refute one point. Just one point in it. Link is below!

https://onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

I remain sincerely yours,

Salman

Thank you for you appreciation brother. I have put a lot of effort in this. You'll agree when you check out my articles, especially Solar System in Quran and Moon Landing in Quran.

I also debated Aron Ra, famous atheist. If you care to see the debate, here's the link - https://youtu.be/JyO1Z_CijeE?si=FVBYv2MGgJcuMbnW

> The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

> But it is not infinite.

> Seven universes, for example.

> Other universes have planets too.

Dear brother,

I have research it extensively that Seven Heavens is not Seven Universes, but Seven Classical Planets.

For the proof, please go to https://onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

I have researched this here https://onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran conclusively proving that Sama and Samawat are either Planets, Stars, Galaxies or the Universe while Jannah is Paradise or Garden.

The issue with the original post 'Heaven is not Paradise' is that it is oxymoronic. Sorry! But let me explain.

The post doesn't use the Arabic word Sama or Samawat but tries to explain the english word Heaven. Now obviously some translators have translated Jannah as Heaven and Samawat also as Heaven.

So saying 'Heaven is not Paradise' is like saying 'Iceland is not a country but a land of ice'. The post should read 'Sama and Samawat is not Paradise'. Which I agree!

Checkout my research at onequran.net and comment, debate, ask, give appreciation. Whatever you want, I am here for you.

What you'll like with my proofs is that they are completely intellectually honest. Not a single appeal to belief, core brain to brain.

Especially check out these:

https://onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

https://onequran.net/post/moon-landing-in-quran

More you can find on https://onequran.net

If there were a Quran's Nobel Prize, I would have definitely got one

I remain sincerely yours,

Salman

Checkout my research at onequran.net and comment, debate, ask, give appreciation. Whatever you want, I am here for you.

What you'll like with my proofs is that they are completely intellectually honest. Not a single appeal to belief, core brain to brain.

Especially check out these:

https://onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

https://onequran.net/post/moon-landing-in-quran

More you can find on https://onequran.net

If there were a Quran's Nobel Prize, I would have definitely got one

I remain sincerely yours,

Salman

Eureka! I have finished my research on what Seven Heavens actually are. If you like what I did or have any questions, you're free to ask. But I know that you'll jump out of joy from your bath tub saying Eureka after you read what I researched...

https://onequran.net/post/solar-system-in-quran

I have reserached this topic extensively, check it out at https://onequran.net/post/evolution-in-quran

[kafaru]

7:24-25 said descends ye of some you (pl.) to other/s enemy and for you (pl.) in the land designation and wherewithal towards period said therein living and therein thou dying and from it (f) thou brought forth being

Why are Random Mutations a Problem for Evolution? - Dr. Kevin Anderson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD4VnmBaXNw

those believing everything comes from "nothing" and "get smart" are kafaru

2:6 indeed the ones kafaru/reject they of equitable upon them that warn thou them or not thou warn them not they believing

Good for you to keep your cool.

No one is believing that everything comes from nothing, its your assumption. God guided evolution. Meaning! Evolution is the law, God is the law giver. Plate Tectonics is the law. God is the law giver. Bing bang is the law. God is the law giver. Solar Nebula Coalescing is the law. God is the law giver.

It is your assumption brother.