Author Topic: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism  (Read 1159 times)

Emre_1974tr

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Stay away from this teaching. By the way, the fake Bible is also a semi-New Ageism book too.

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Doesn't make sense at all... justification?



REASON: God wants Spiritual Fruits, NOT RELIGIOUS NUTS

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Our video,

Islam and spiritual doctrine are completely different from each other:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXA38GeVM6k

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Do you think this is spiritualism?

Indeed, I have turned my face to the One Who created the heavens and the earth as a true monotheist, and not I am of the polytheists. (6:79, and 53:1-15)



Background

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Main life issue: What defines you? Who am I?
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Remember when Ibrahim said to his FATHER [STATISM], Azar, ´Do you take idols as gods? I see that you and your people are clearly misguided.´ Because of that We showed Ibrahim the dominions of the heavens and the earth so that he might be one of the people of certainty.  When night covered him he saw a STAR [ ✡ SUPREMACISM] and said, ´This is my Lord!´ Then when it set he said, ´I do not love what sets.´ Then when he saw the MOON [ ☪︎ SCHISM] come up he said, ´This is my Lord!´ Then when it set he said, ´If my Lord does not guide me, I will be one of the misguided people.´ Then when he saw the SUN [ ✞ MATERIALISM] come up he said, ´This is my Lord! This is greater!´ Then when it set he said, ´My people, I am free of what you associate with Allah. I have turned my face to Him/Sunnatullah Who brought the heavens and earth into being, a HANIF [SPIRITUALISM]. I am not one of the MUSHRIKUN [3:67  ✡ STAR, ☪︎ MOON, ✞ SUN].´ (6:74-78)

Those who have iman [NOT ✡ STAR, ☪︎ MOON, ✞ SUN, 11:17/5:81/3:28] and do not mix up their iman//103/FACT/MUHKAMAT with any wrongdoing/4:82/OPINION/MUTASYAABIHAT, they are the ones who are safe; it is they who are guided.´ This is the [HANIF/NATURALIST] argument We gave to Ibrahim against his people. We raise in rank anyone We will. Your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing (6:82-83)

It is Spiritual Naturalism

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In conclusion, "natural person" means:

1. Not statism
2. Not ✡ STAR/supremacism/Qarun
3. Not ☪︎ MOON/schism/Haman
4. Not ✞ SUN/materialism/Pharaoh
5. Spiritualism/Atomism (align our nature with NATURE)
6. Naturalism (al-Masjid al-Haram, unmixed, logic)
7. Pharaonic Jihad, 11:17, 7:155-158

It is the Deen of Ecospirituality

“There are only patterns, patterns on top of patterns, patterns that affect other patterns. Patterns hidden by patterns. Patterns within patterns. If you watch close, history does nothing but repeat itself. What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't recognized. What we call random is just patterns we can't decipher. what we can't understand we call nonsense. What we can't read we call gibberish. There is no free will. There are no variables.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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This is the way that Ibrahim was to deny polytheism (shirk) of all kinds and to avoid idolatry in all its forms.
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A fool would abandon Ibrahim's faith (2:130/2:124/3:33/4:125/3:64-68/22:78)

Say, ´Allah speaks the truth, so follow the religion of Ibrahim, a man of pure natural belief. He was not one of the idolaters.´ (3:95) Say: ´My Lord has guided me to a straight path, a well-founded deen, the religion of Ibrahim, a man of pure natural belief. He was not one of the idolaters.´ Say: ´My salat and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds (6:161-162)

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Sufis, spiritual naturalists and Kabbalists are also pagan pantheists. . I have Turkish articles and videos on this topic.

Examples;

My Turkish articles with machine translation:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=tr&tl=en&u=http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/11/kainat-veya-zihninizi-put-edinmeyin.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=tr&tl=en&u=http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kuran-ve-nur.html


And ;

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/nobody-has-got-ghost-according-to-quran.html

Abandon Pagan Naturalism/pantheism.

Stop worshiping yourself and the universe.

The universes that Allah created out of nothing are His servants, just like insects.

Worship only God.

Leave the shirk.

Do not fall into the trap of demons.

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Theism vs Panentheism
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 04:17:09 AM »
From the image below:


Which one is closer to your view?
Theism: A far away God totally separated from this universe ? (#separation)
Panentheism: A very close God where this universe is also part of Itself? (#unity)

It's entirely up to you.

As for me: my view is definitely closer to Panentheism.
With 'slight modification'... God is NOT the blue circle.
God is the white background.. as God is actually infinite and has no boundary / border on any dimension.


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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2021, 10:17:22 AM »
Abandon Pagan Naturalism/pantheism.

Stop worshiping yourself and the universe.

mmm... pagan? but naturalism? I don't get it... :rotfl:

and abandon the Sunnatullah (Law of Nature), you're truly deluded 

Truly you are guiding to a Straight Path: ie. the Path of Allah (IS) to Whom everything in the heavens and everything on the earth [ie. NATURALISM] belongs. (42:52-53) No one disputes Allah´s Signs (Our signs on the horizons and in themselves 41:53) except those who are kafir. (40:4)

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Re: Theism vs Panentheism
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 03:47:16 PM »
From the image below:


Which one is closer to your view?
Theism: A far away God totally separated from this universe ? (#separation)
Panentheism: A very close God where this universe is also part of Itself? (#unity)

It's entirely up to you.

As for me: my view is definitely closer to Panentheism.
With 'slight modification'... God is NOT the blue circle.
God is the white background.. as God is actually infinite and has no boundary / border on any dimension.

No one can interfere with your pagan faith. But as soon as you try to instill this belief in the religion of Islam, I show you that it is wrong.

All pagans say this anyway. That's why the idols they worship are actually the Mother God in their eyes. The things they worship are a reflection of God, a part, a manifestation, a part of the whole..

Meanwhile, Allah is everywhere as a ruler and observer, but as an entity, He is completely outside of His creations. That's why shirk is the biggest sin.

No, if panentheism or pantheism were real, shirk would not be a sin. Paganism already has this philosophy.

But in reality, since Allah created us out of nothing, He has no partners or parts.

Therefore, he has no wife, no children. He gave birth to no one and was not born.

112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"

But if you are saying "God is the white background." You are not pantheist or panentheist.

Because in the white, God is completely outside of His creation. It is separate from them. Surrounding and being close to them does not mean integrating with them.

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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2021, 04:08:30 PM »
mmm... pagan? but naturalism? I don't get it... :rotfl:

and abandon the Sunnatullah (Law of Nature), you're truly deluded 



No, you are a lier pagan.

Sunnatullah is not law of Nature. This is your lie.

If you read before and after the relevant verse, it explains the method and reason of Allah's punishment. It is the religious law practiced by God.

The laws of nature are changeable. If Allah wills, He creates directly from the soil like Adam. That is, he creates without sexuality. He creates through sexuality and birth, if he wills.

If he wants, he creates the universe out of nothing/nothing. If he wants, he makes to derive it by using the materials that exist in this universe.

He creates one by one. If he wishes, he raises them together on the Day of Judgment.

What is called the law of nature is that God always does things in the same way. But he can do it in a different way if he wishes. And as you can see, it's variable.

After all, it is these changes that are called miracles. For example, creating Adam without parents. For example, creating Jesus without a father. These are miracles because they are outside the laws of nature. Likewise, the creation of the universe from nothing is a miracle. In fact, they are miracles for us. Because God creates creation outside the laws of physics. But what is called the laws of physics is also the application of Allah Himself. And through miracles it shows you that He can create differently if He wants. So in reality there is no fixed law of nature. As long as Allah creates it that way, it seems stable to us.

There are no fixed/fixed laws of nature that you pagans worship, in reality. God changes them whenever He wills. None of it happens spontaneously. they are all created by Allah Himself. If he wishes, he creates from nothing, if he wishes, he invents, if he wishes, he creates one by one, if he wishes, he creates collectively, if he wishes, he keeps it alive, if he wishes, he destroys it...

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Re: Theism vs Panentheism
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2021, 04:24:28 PM »
Meanwhile, Allah is everywhere as a ruler and observer, but as an entity, He is completely outside of His creations.

This statement by itself is a contradiction.

Something is everywhere, which imply inside and that same something is also outside?

Where is the border that define "inside" and "outside"?




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No one can interfere with your pagan faith. But as soon as you try to instill this belief in the religion of Islam, I show you that it is wrong.

All pagans say this anyway. That's why the idols they worship are actually the Mother God in their eyes. The things they worship are a reflection of God, a part, a manifestation, a part of the whole..

If pagans here means Arab Paganism then their view is actually THEISM.
The Gods are outside of this universe, they're living in "Realm of the Gods and Goddesses" above in heaven, in the sky looking down on the earthly realm.

And there are many Gods and Goddesses each fighting each others for influences.
Including influence over human on the earth realm below.

That's why each God claimed that he/she/it is the only true God and the other Gods and Goddesses are 'false' gods. Each God is envious of other Gods/Goddeses as it sees that the other Gods are his/her competitor.

The statement of there is no other God other than X, implies that those who make such statement does admit that there are many other God.
In the same manner as those who said here is no other Potato Chips other than Lays admit that there are many others Potato Chips which are not Lays.

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But in reality, since Allah created us out of nothing, He has no partners or parts.

The reason why the one infinite creator is only one, is because it is infinite.
It has no border in any dimension.
Thus there could only be one infinity that could possibly exist.

Since it has no border, then definitely this universe that contains trillion of galaxies are indeed inside of it. As this universe is finite and has border.
The one infinite creator cannot be 'separated' since infinite-ness mandate that it has no border  whatsoever and every-thing that is finite (has border) is inside of it.

As thus unity is the inherent nature of the one infinite creator.
Only the one infinite creator alone that actually eternally exist.

All other finite things are temporary, those who has a beginning will have an end.
And only those who has no beginning thus boundless / borderless in time dimension will not have an end.