Peace everyone,
My wife and I were chatting and I got to thinking about HOW we can establish a society that is based on quranic guidelines. Then I started thinking....it is the principles, morals and etiquettes of the quran that is to be established.
Please think about this!! We are not obligated to come in the name of the quran, we are obligated to come in the name of morality, righteousness, principle and civility. These are the etiquettes that the quran points out.
So instead of establishing a movement and/or organization based on the quran (at least by name or label), we should be establishing something based on the principles that the quran directs us towards. This is how we can establish a quranic society in a subtle, yet very effective, way.
Instead of saying "we represent the quran and the quran says this is how we are to live our family lives, this is how we are to deal with our spouses and children, this is how we're supposed to promote morality in our society, etc.", we should just do the work needed to establish these ideals.
I believe Layth's work The Natural Republic is a good starting point for ideas to try and implement.
Simply put, instead of throwing the Quran and Islam (by name) down people's throats we should take Nike's advice and Just Do It!!
I'd appreciate all feedback, thoughts and suggestions.
This is My path-a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other paths, lest they divert you from His commandments to you, that you may be saved.
[6:153]
Salaam.
Salaam Bro,
You got it! :D Remember the guy I told you about person who's held lectures inviting others to the path? Most of the time he doesn't even quote verses. He can talk for an hour and tell you only of what's in the quran, and people (of various religions) wouldnt know it. In the end, most of the people he talks to, end up changing their 'ways' to the system of GOD alone.
The Message (why we're here) is important... the rest is details.
Peace.
Yep! I think that highlighting the principles of the Qur'an instead of the Qur'an itself is great outreach strategy. Once you mention Qur'an, people's mindsets automatically switch to religious mode (maybe even our own). This automatically creates barriers and causes people to become defensive, or dismissive, or suspicious, or whatever.
my personal experience: When I am discussing with people, I intentionally do not mention the qur'an (despite the fact that I try to base my principles and idealogies on this Guide). If the person is intrigued, they usually inquire where and how I came up with a specific concept or idealogy. This is when I let the cat out of the bag! 8) I found that discussions of the Qur'an after inquiry of interest are much more productive than when I throw the word Qur'an in their face without initial explanation.
Here's the funny thing: Their response is usually something like: "Salikah, how can you follow the Qur'an? You are so progressive. You're not submissive like other muslim women. I didn't take you for the religious type."
And that's when the qur'an discussion begins. If they don't ask, I rarely tell... :wink:
Dear Damon, zenje, alikahDC,
It feels good reading your posts, and other similar ones.
You hit the nail on the head and I couldn?t agree more.
The guidance, the message, the principles, that God points out for us is the main thing. We can read the Qur?an a thousand times but still not get it, but once the basics of the whole message begin to hit home, the reason for it and implementation of it becomes clearer.
It is our ways that must adapt to the rest of the Universe, for everything and everyone to have a best possible existence. If you find this guide lines in some other way, fine, that is not the issue.
That is also why I couldn?t agree to the label ?Qur?an alone? in an earlier discussion.
Thank you all for these posts!
Best regards
Ali Omar
Peace,
I like the idea, but it's not right to deceive people because we do have a lot to do with the Quran and the gathering might also be alot to do with Quran.
A better way is to welcome all forms of wisdom, whether from Bible, Torah, Hindu Scripture etc, things that make sense, this will bring about a sense of unity, there is no harm in this as long as limits are not transgressed and we need to remember that Quran is a beacon and a mercy but not the only way in which God teaches us or communicates to us. The signs and lessons are everywhere in his Creations.
Main aims are to disown the backward religious ways and to assert and make clear that our interests are in Truth, rightousness and progression and anything else you mentioned.
I hate the separation and tension between people that don't follow the same thing, aslong as we all believe in rightousness there should be no barriers the path should be there for us all.
Nural
Salaam everybody,
Thank you for the feedback and advice.
Quote from: "salikahDC"I think that highlighting the principles of the Qur'an instead of the Qur'an itself is great outreach strategy. Once you mention Qur'an, people's mindsets automatically switch to religious mode (maybe even our own). This automatically creates barriers and causes people to become defensive, or dismissive, or suspicious, or whatever.
This is an excellent way of putting it and one of the key points that I was driving at. You presented it perfectly.
Quote from: "Nural Amin"I like the idea, but it's not right to deceive people because we do have a lot to do with the Quran
I have to say that I disagree with your assesment. I cannot see where
deception[/u] or dishonesty is practised in this strategy. Something very important salikahDC said is that she will drop wisdom on someone and when they ask where she got it, she tells them The Quran.
Deception would be to
not mention The Quran, but to give the credit to a different source instead for fear of rejection or dismissal.
What I am advocating is a movement pushing the
morals, guidelines and
principles of The Quran. As I mentioned earlier, we are not commanded by GOD to shove the
book itself down people's throats. We are commanded to invite others to embrace the
guidelines and morals that the
book itself promotes.
Quote from: "Nural Amin"and the gathering might also be alot to do with Quran.
Oh you
who believe,when the salat is called to at the time of gathering, then you shall hasten towards the rememberance of GOD, and cease all selling. This is better for you , if you only knew.
[62:9]
I want to point out two things....
1). This verse is directed to the people
who believe. Believe in what?? Believe in GOD. We cannot feed people The Quran if they don't even believe in GOD who revealed The Quran. That would be putting the cart before the horse. What we need to do is present the morals and principles of The Quran to others so that they will
become believers. We cannot force people to observe salat if they are not believers. They have to be believers first and see the importance of salat for themselves.
2). This verse only applies to
believers who are present at
the time of gathering. This is a very isolated type of event. Not common at all.
Quote from: "Nural Amin"A better way is to welcome all forms of wisdom, whether from Bible, Torah, Hindu Scripture etc, things that make sense,
On the surface, that's a beautiful idea, but we have to keep in mind that many of the ideas in those other books are questionable because they were not protected against corruption as the Quran is.
Whatever good you can find in these other books, The Quran has already given us,
plus much, much more!Quote from: "Nural Amin"we need to remember that Quran is a beacon and a mercy but not the only way in which God teaches us or communicates to us. The signs and lessons are everywhere in his Creations.
Great! You just re-iterated what I have been saying all along. We are not duty bound to throw the book itself in people's faces, but to invite them to the signs and lessons the book presents. And as you yourself just said, these signs and lessons are everywhere in GOD's creations. It is the signs and lessons that we are obligated to invite towards. This is more important than the book which guides towards the signs and lessons. Hey, the sunnis and shiahs are all into
The Book. However, they are totally oblivious to the signs, lessons and principles as is apparent.
Quote from: "Nural Amin"Main aims are to disown the backward religious ways and to assert and make clear that our interests are in Truth, rightousness and progression and anything else you mentioned.
Again, this is a re-iteration of what I have already proposed in my opening post.
Quote from: "Nural Amin"I hate the separation and tension between people that don't follow the same thing, aslong as we all believe in rightousness there should be no barriers the path should be there for us all.
Same thing...a re-iteration of my proposal.
And who is better in saying than one who invites to GOD, and does good works, and says: "I am one of those who have surrendered."
[41:33]
We will show them
OUR SIGNS in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is witness over all things?
[41:53]
Salaam.
Peace all.
Damon, you expressed more clearly what I was trying to say on the "good muslim" thread. And I wholeheartedly agree with you.
So, Ali Omar, we were close in our thoughts! :D Except for my reason for taking on a label that you disagree with.
It might help to know that I live in a rural farming community in the Bible Belt of the Southern US. There is no way to tell from my outward appearance what my religious views might be. So I'm very aware of how I conduct my life, so that when I do have the chance to tell people that I'm muslim, they want to know more. They see someone who looks and acts like they do, and who has a similar religious backgound, so they want to know why I would choose a different path.
But I almost never quote The Quran to these people and, instead, speak of general concepts and similarities in beliefs about ways to treat people, prophets, and the like. The reason I do this is because people are resistant. They don't mind hearing about my beliefs, but it takes time for them to be receptive to listening to a quote from The Quran. It's as if they are afraid I'm going to say something that will be blasphemous to their Christian beliefs.
After some time, then they're no longer afraid. There are certain friends with whom I can share passages in The Quran as we talk about spiritual matters. As long as we go in with an understanding that we avoid the issue of Jesus' divinity, the conversations can often be spiritually nourishing and supportive.
Since I chose to follow The Quran only and not cover my head or change my name or (name pretty much any 'rules' complaint here) within a couple of years of choosing Islam, I wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms by any muslim community. That was a long time ago. I have no muslim friends (or submitters or whatever you want to call them), so I hope all of you will be patient with me when I discuss things here.
You speak in ways I'm accustomed to, discussing things by using specific ayats or citing works I'm not familiar with, as well as going over issues I'd never considered before. It's very refreshing, and I cried when I found this place...and, yep, also through my first couple of posts. Okay, I have to stop now or I'll start crying just thinking about the crying.
But to get back to Damon's topic...from my experience, what you are proposing has worked very well toward promoting understanding and interest and reaching out to those who may open their hearts to God's Message.
Peace all,
Peace sytalls and thank you for your wisdom and kind words.
Quote from: "Nural Amin"But to get back to Damon's topic...from my experience, what you are proposing has worked very well toward promoting understanding and interest and reaching out to those who may open their hearts to God's Message.
Yes, please allow me to elaborate a bit on what it is
exactly that I'm proposing....
Here in the United States I am witnessing right before my very eyes the deterioration of society and of the human family. The public schools are terrible with shootings and bullying going on. The kids these days have absolutely no respect whatsoever. And today's music and media are beyond terrible. Homosexuailty is becoming more and more rampant as well as pedophiles, pornography, rape, murder, incest, corporate and government corruption.
It is my personal belief that we need to address the family. If we can reach the family and implement a sound strategy which instills Quranic morals in the family social setting, this will prepare todays kids to be tomorrows leaders and exemplars. We need to tackle the lack of proper upbringing, child abuse, spousal abuse, drugs and alcohol and the all too rampant trend of children having to grow up without fathers or male role models. The criminal justice system here is completely corrupt.
Don't get me wrong...I understand that there are thousands of people and groups that seek to tackle these very things. Unfortunately, their attempts turn out to be futile due to what they seek to establish as alternatives to these dilemmas. This is not a blow towards Christians, but I believe that the reason they have faild in their attempts to get more people in the church as an alternative to these ills and woes is the same reason that the traditional muslims have failed in their attempts to establish Masjid life as an alternative. It is unrealistic, unsound, impractical and all too easy to see through their hypocrisy.
So what I say we do is to look at
ALL of the principles and guidelines that The Quran mandates and we start an organization that not only pushes for these principles to become the new order of the day, but one which actually implements a strategy and takes appropriate action to see this strategy through. I think Layth presents some solid ideals in The Natural Republic. In a nutshell more or less, this is what I believe to be the correct course of action to take.
The only people who will take this seriously and actually seek to do this are those who look around them and have decided that
enough is enough and they cannot take anymore.
Salaam.
Peace Damon,
My point is if you want to promote Quranic morals and not anything else from OTHER Scriptures which are also mentioned within the Quran then it is only right and truthful to make that clear.
QuoteOn the surface, that's a beautiful idea, but we have to keep in mind that many of the ideas in those other books are questionable because they were not protected against corruption as the Quran is. Whatever good you can find in these other books, The Quran has already given us, plus much, much more!
This is very narrow-minded and ignorant, have you read all the other books? The Quran is complete that is God's revelations are complete, people can't even agree on what exactly the Quran is! You are clinging onto a book too much here. You are making many assumptions and claims here, many people would disagree. I agree that the Quran is full of guidance but I don't think this is the best approach to society.
Just because a book has 'divine protection' doesn't mean that we have the best meaning, we should be open minded and we might discover and learn more about the reading if we keep open, other Scriptures might relate to this one and help explain something that wasn't as easily understood before. Plus the Quran is basically a composition of KEY LAWS and the BASICS which is common sense and should be obeyed by all but the SCRIPTURE is different and should be left open and the Scripture can be used to confuse people. First distinguish which parts of the book are QURAN and self explanatory and which should be left open.
In that case I would agree in promoting QURANIC LAWS and by that I do not mean the whole BOOK that is known as Quran today. Recent research and also signs in the Book have shown us that the whole book consists of two parts and one part can mislead if we aren't careful.
I would personally prefer the gathering to be open to all forms of wisdom, the Quran is complete but there are believers that accept other Scriptures too. I personally think this is a big issue because you are talking about promoting what is in Quran (which is all that is NECESSARY for success) but your not interested in anything else, what if the Bible has some interesting lessons? Doesn't the Quran tell us to accept all of God's revelations? Making it Quran alone makes it kind of extreme and closed rather than open minded. Aslong as the Quranic moral and laws are not transgressed I see no problem, obviously we should keep close to this text but that doesn't mean that you should reject all else! Everyone at the gathering would then be able to participate with wotever knowledge they have, not everyone has spent time on studying the Quran, we should hear all the ways and lessons and follow the best.
Wasn't the initial approach meant to make clear that you disown other sects and groups? This approach doesn't do that because you place an unjust limit by only promoting Quranic laws that is the Arabic Word of God, Christians wouldn't be so happy, jewish people wouldn't celebrate. I prefer open mindedness and also more use of our own intution, the book is there but we also have our head which God gave to us too. This would bring more unity and unity is key and what makes a society stronger and safer.
Nural
peace damon, nural amin and all,
Nural amin,
Your previous post personifies the very religious discussions that Damon and I are trying to initially avoid. The debate over spiritual texts, what book came first and when, believers, non believers of the Qur'an, etc...all this is a wonderful discussion if someone is open to participating in a religious debate. But we are talking about advocating the rules, laws, and suggestions of the Qur'an without initially attacking someone's religious belief. This way, you are being extremely respectful of the various paths and cultures of mankind. Just as they have the right to reject the divinity of the Qur'an, people have the right to reject its wisdom as well. Its their choice and their life. I am only responsible for my reality and they are responsible for theirs. But if people want to discuss my reality and ideology, I'll discuss. Likewise, if persons want to discuss where I got my knowledge, I'll discuss that too.
I am of the school that the qur'an should not be idolized and is not the only path to the Truth...but it is a guide that I have found to have no flaws in my reality thus far so I am not afraid to live by and promote its suggestions...I made the choice to search for the Truth and the God alone has guided me....the qur'an is just a tool along the way of this path. If the God willed, I may have consulted another source in the universe. If the God wills, I still may! 8) Its God's system (equal access to resources, family cohesion and structure, free trade, etc) that I want to initially discuss, not religion (or, in my opinion, the need for no religion).
Peace Nural,
It's very obvious that you and I do not see this the same way. Also, I wish not go into the direction that this discussion is heading. That was not my intention behind this thread. I have to say that you have your way of seeing things and I have my way of seeing things and I am content to just leave it at that.
My proposal in this thread is for those who are able to grasp what I am advocating here and thus are willing to take the necessary steps to implement this very strategy.
Peace be with you.
Peace y'all,
Quote from: "salikahDC"The debate over spiritual texts, what book came first and when, believers, non believers of the Qur'an, etc...all this is a wonderful discussion if someone is open to participating in a religious debate. But we are talking about advocating the rules, laws, and suggestions of the Qur'an without initially attacking someone's religious belief. This way, you are being extremely respectful of the various paths and cultures of mankind.
BINGO!! :D
Salaamun alaikum Damon, Salikah and Nural Amin,
I'm inclined to look at the methodology of various personalities in al-quraan. Nowhere , I find, that any personalities threw books at people. They usually went with speeches like 'O my people, serve Allah, you have no god other than Him' then go on to deliver an ethical precept.
I believe that its not necessary to use the term 'islam' and 'muslim'. Not only that, in this day and age it could also be detrimental to the message itself when one does use these terms. Having said this, Allah does command us to speak straight words (4/9) and so to me, I would have to ready an explaination of essentially who I am and what I follow
Al-Quraan can't simply be thrown at people unless we ignore the valley that our interpretations represent. Rather, I think al-quraan is more suited to being our own personal instructor. Something we read at nights to keep us going. Some parts we do read to others, but only those parts relevant to our mission at that point in time.
thanks and peace
Peace,
Thank you for your ideas, my basic idea is that there has been alot on this Book recently. The Book is split into two, Quran + Scripture, personally I agree and this explains alot about the fundamentals and metaphorical vereses.
All I am trying to say is that I agree with promoting self-explanatory verses, such as being righteous and not harming people etc etc but I think people should be careful when talking about the metaphorical verses. That should be left to discuss like this, because we derive individual understandings and share this rather than promoting on an agreed one and forming a cult or sect.
The fundamentals are the most important and all believers in the world will have no problem in listening and agreeing, but when talk of Salat/ramadan/nineteen and all these other things and about multiple meaning verses are discussed, people get confused and they also run away because they don't want to hear someone trying to justify gobbledygook. The most important thing here is to get the good word of promoting righteousness out, rather than all these other ideologies.
Nural
peace Damon, all,
'the reading' indeed does hold principles above a belief stated by mouth.
Even the so-called names muslim/kafir etc. are based on their original/word meanings. It can easily be seen that promotion of principle is at its core, and thus this would be the core of a society based on such a book.
Its a mix between secular & theocracy and I'm not surprised it holds this position.
The Natural Republic (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595303587/freeminds-20) is indeed good, but it needs a lot of work, in my opinion.
Wakas
Peace,
I've had some very uplifting experiences just discussing morality, justice and family values (using the Reading as my source of information). I've even had someone say, "How did you get so smart?" This I get from professionals, i.e., doctors, lawyers and all. One woman said, ?I think you?ve changed my life.? That was heavy. I never realized the impact on people who have never been presented with a view of a good life based on the Reading.
I spend a lot of time debating with those who call themselves muslims and it's like spiting in the wind. :oops:
One of the mistakes I think we make is when we are speaking English we throw in Arabic words. When these words are translated into our respective language it takes away the stigma of the fabricated religion based on corruptions of the Reading and outside sources.
I speak about a peaceful society, [Islam] and surrendering peacefully to God, and being a peaceful person, [muslim]. I like to make it clear in the beginning that serving for God has nothing to do with religion. I do it everywhere I go, the bookstore, on line at the grocery store and in the auto repair shop. Recently my daughter came to pick me up and a customer I had run into a couple of times before asked if she was my daughter and told her how fortunate she was to have me for a parent because of my insight. This was from quietly listening to me chat up whoever is sitting nearby about a peaceful orderly society where each individual is committed to values [mu?min]. I may make reference to Socrates or the fall of communism and give solutions based on my understanding of the Reading. Wise people are always drawn in and find themselves in agreement.
I think I may have related this before but it sticks with me. My Jewish surgeon was shocked to find that what I talk about is actually the Qur?aan. He himself questions Judaism and the Talmud. I asked him as a scientist, [as per the Qur'aan], what he thought about God and creation. His reply was ?text book Qur'aan?. Something like, when he looks inside a brain, knowing what he knows about how it works, he knows this was done by a Divine Creator. When he looks over the landscape on vacation and marvels at the beauty, same thing. But, and then there was a big BUT, he doesn?t think this Creator cares about his beard or how he eats or a number of the things in the fake hadith the Jews call the Talmud. He thinks doing things beneficial to humanity is what God wants us to do. I told him I agreed and so does the Qur'aan. He was amazed and now when I have an appointment you wouldn?t want to be next in the waiting room. He is ripe for true Islam.
God asks questions in the Reading. I try to ask the people the same questions. I've also found that they love to answer or try to answer :)
There are plenty of God?s servants out there seeking the truth.
[10.82] And The God will show/establish the truth to be the truth by His words, though the guilty may be averse (to it).
I?m with Damon. We need to just ?Do it? and the IT doesn?t need a label.
Some friends had a magazine they called Signs [ayats]. I thought that was a really good choice as is Layth?s Natural Republic as a name. Deen is not religion.
Quote from: salikahDC on May 25, 2005, 07:32:49 PM
Yep! I think that highlighting the principles of the Qur'an instead of the Qur'an itself is great outreach strategy. Once you mention Qur'an, people's mindsets automatically switch to religious mode (maybe even our own). This automatically creates barriers and causes people to become defensive, or dismissive, or suspicious, or whatever.
my personal experience: When I am discussing with people, I intentionally do not mention the qur'an (despite the fact that I try to base my principles and idealogies on this Guide). If the person is intrigued, they usually inquire where and how I came up with a specific concept or idealogy. This is when I let the cat out of the bag! 8) I found that discussions of the Qur'an after inquiry of interest are much more productive than when I throw the word Qur'an in their face without initial explanation.
Here's the funny thing: Their response is usually something like: "Salikah, how can you follow the Qur'an? You are so progressive. You're not submissive like other muslim women. I didn't take you for the religious type."
And that's when the qur'an discussion begins. If they don't ask, I rarely tell... :wink:
As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.
Yes, yes, that's exactly like me!
Salikah, you're just like me.
Once i was asked what do i think of gays and i said that is a sin and they asked why so i said because gays think that their relationship is normal but when it comes to having a baby, they need a
really normal couple to have a baby for them.
Then they ask about my religion because they wanna know which religion is that one which has such a beautiful answer to gays.
Hope this wasn't off topic.
As salamu alaykum.
I think Damon?s idea is fantastic but here in England I reckon the deterioration of society is irreversible. I remember at school being homophobic was considered just as bad as being racist. I remember my teachers telling rude jokes to the class and it was okay for kids to say rude stuff. I aint old fashion or anything but the filthy comments they came out with made me cringe. Our sex education lessons were a complete joke! When I was 15 I knew 3 girls my age that got pregnant, it was considered no big deal and a lot of the kids I knew seemed to think it was `cool` for someone our age to have a baby. So many people at school were astonished that I?ve never tried alcohol and that I did not intend to try it either, they acted like I was an alien. Alcohol is a huge problem amongst traditional Muslims aswell. In my RE lessons when we were discussing morel decisions people were making comments like ?marriage is just a piece of paper? and ?you can go to a shop and touch everything but you don?t have to buy it?. My PHSE teacher said that there were kids as young as 7 having sex!! One of the PE teachers was a lesbian and she used to look at the girls getting changed in the changing rooms! Thank god she never taught me PE or else I would have smacked her!
QuoteIt is my personal belief that we need to address the family. If we can reach the family and implement a sound strategy which instills Quranic morals in the family social setting, this will prepare todays kids to be tomorrows leaders and exemplars. We need to tackle the lack of proper upbringing, child abuse, spousal abuse, drugs and alcohol and the all too rampant trend of children having to grow up without fathers or male role models.
I think we should start at school. My mum knew a few families that said that they refused to send their children to school lest they become ?immoral?. But these days everyone just wants to keep God out of the class room and making blasphemous comments about other people?s religion was considered `ok` by some teachers at my school.
Peace,
Sugar
Salam,
well brothers and sisters,on reading the quran,we can understand that the quran speaks not just of personal salvation,but on salvation on a societal/ communal basis.Every community has its prescribed time to choose the right path or the wrong.Our duty is not just to follow the personal level teachings,like good deeds etc alone,for personal salvation,though that is very important,one can only be a complete muslim i realise,is when we try and promote quranic ideas to set up a society based on quranic ideals.In fact,many western demoracies do have a lot of quranic ideals in their system as compared to so called islamic countries who are quite the opposite of islamic.However,how we reach out to people,as some brothers and sisters have pointed out is through the spreading of quranic ideals,we can mention the ideals to invoke interest then mention the quran when questioned about the source,that way we can help ppl from putting mental blocks on themselves.Also,I believe even though we may not be able to change many things in our lifetimes,we should try ur best to strive,and that is what God wants.Not equal is the striving and the sedentary.Also, we should use books,media and all peaceful methods only.Violence is never an option,unless one is oppressed or violence is used against us.I do like western countries,not all,but most of them as they have freedom of worship,which is quranic,I kindaf hate "islamic" countries that take away people's freedom and forces them to remain muslim against their beliefs,thus religionising islam...islam is not a religion,it is a state of mind,and a divine system..in fact the word deen is so rich,it cant be translated appropriately...only interpreted as in the words of parwez,one of the thinkers amongst muslims of the past.Salam.
Salamun 'alaykum all brothers and sisters,
110:1 When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,
110:2 And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds,
110:3 Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).
I do hope I witness the victory and see people enter the deen of Allah in crowds (have no idea where it would be though). As for now, IMHO it is just the beginning ...
Quote from: andy on September 17, 2006, 02:15:48 PM
Salamun 'alaykum all brothers and sisters,
110:1 When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,
110:2 And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds,
110:3 Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).
I do hope I witness the victory and see people enter the deen of Allah in crowds (have no idea where it would be though). As for now, IMHO it is just the beginning ...
Salam.
People will start entering The Islam as soon as they discover The Real Islam, the one we're in. God willing.
I think we can do a lot if all start at once with this. I with my movie, you guys with other stuff. Women sing songs, men are in the movies, trust me, the word will get out, inshaAllah.
Peace.