Questions on Ritual Salah

[Emre_1974tr]

Physical salaat not only treats and develops your character, but also makes a positive contribution to your physical health and happiness.

He/she who does not salah loses a lot. I have not even mentioned prayer, obligation and other parts.

It is heresy to deny and avoid Physical salaat

Especially if you say negative things against it, it shows that you are not really a Muslim anyway.

By the way, another benefit of salaat is that it protects you from the effects of narcissistic energy vampires.

[jkhan]

2:45
"And seek help through perseverance /patience and connection (salah) and certainly, it is difficult except for the humbled ones (Khashiun) "

The Arabic word Khashiun is directly used in 23:2 with salah like "they are who in  their connection (Salah) are humble" and here in 2:45 directly used to the character of the person itself..

Here perseverance /patience is correlated with Salah (connection) when it comes to seek Help from Allah.. Life is a journey with full of tests.. Believers point of view, If you lose patience it can create havoc.. Losing patience means your connection to Allah can be disconnected ...
Allah says at the end it is difficult but not for those Khashiun (humbled people) ..
Is performing ritual salah difficult?.. Very intricate and tough rituals are practiced by most religious people in the world.. They walk on knees,  they role around on their bodies rounding their deities and even they harm their own physic..  Most easier to pray five times a day hardly five to 10 mints for a session.. But word used by Allah is (Kabeer) ie painstakingly difficult / utmost hard.. Not only salat but combination of both Salah and Sabr (Connection + patience)..  Yes indeed it is difficult to those who love this world's life... Cuz tests of life will deviate them from whatever patience and connection they would have... Burdens of tests  / life can easily slacken the connection and patimce.. But the humbled ones will maintain connection and perseverance constantly in all his tests.. There can be level of how one maintains and it depends how strong his Iman / Faith in God... All believers level is not same..

Now look at the verse again and reflect ... Is PATIENCE a ritual ? NO... Then why SALAH a ritual?  Does Allah say us to seek HELP (whatever) through Non-ritual PATIENCE and Ritual salah ie bodily postures ?  Nope..
Allah instructs us to seek help with full commitment of patience and constant connection to Allah and in the end in black and white finished the verse stating it's DIFFICULT... Except a group of people.. They know well it is not difficult. It could have been sort of difficult but not after they cultivated strong bond with Allah..

[jkhan]

31:4
"Those who establish connection (salah) and bringforth purity (zakah), and they, in the Hereafter are certain"

Okay... I brought the above verse in order to unearth logic perhaps.. we can reflect..  Let's take it in conventional translation.. So it says those pray and give obligatory charity ARE CERTAIN IN THE HEREAFTER.. Question is why?  Does that mean rich people who pray and give Zakath are certain of hereafter? Not others? Every laymen can perform ritual salah /prayers but not everyone can give Zakath whatever it is and no clue from Quran what to give as Zakath while sadaqa is detailed in black and white.. Not giving any sense to me while the successful one is who purifies his soul 91:9...

Okay let's see whether the above true translation makes sense. Connection is cultivated with Allah and he became a purified soul and this person is indeed certain in the hereafter... Doesn't it make sense?

To make translation of conventional belief even worse,  Allah has revealed a verse like below ..

41:7

"Those who do not bringforth purity (zakah), and they,  in the Hereafter are disbelieving."

Now let's take the above verse in conventional way... Yes.. Not giving obligatory charity then you disbeliever in the hereafter.. Why only Zakath becomes criteria to deduce disbelievers in the hereafter.. ?
Unconditionally, not classifying rich or poor Allah has stated those who not GIVE ZAKATH they disbelievers in the hereafter...
The truth is as 91:9 states regardless rich or poor everyone has to purify (zaka)  his soul and failing to bring forth purification in indeed in the hereafter disbelievers... Their only life is Dunya...

Note the wording of both verses and it's last statement.. As under

31:4 " ...they in the hereafter certain.. " = Purified person
41:7 " ... they in the hereafter disbelieving" = Not purified one

[good logic]

brother jkhan.

Arabic is used by GOD for Qoran for a precise and specific reason. Definitions of words that come from the same root can vary and may mean a different thing altogether.
Why translate "Salat", "The Salat" or "Aquimi Salat" as the same thing? For example:

Here are three verses that have these 3 words, yet different context and meanings:
1-73:20
Your Lord knows that you stay up/meditate...  تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ , or half of it, or one-third of it, and so do some of those who believed with you. God has designed the night and the day, and He knows that you cannot always do this. He has pardoned you. Instead, you shall read what you can of the Quran. He knows that some of you may be ill, others may be traveling in pursuit of God's provisions, and others may be striving in the cause of God. You shall read what you can of it, and observe the Salat, give the Zakat , and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever good you send ahead on behalf of your souls, you will find it at God far better and generously rewarded. And implore God for forgiveness. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
إِنَّ رَبَّكَ يَعلَمُ أَنَّكَ تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ وَنِصفَهُ وَثُلُثَهُ وَطائِفَةٌ مِنَ الَّذينَ مَعَكَ وَاللَّهُ يُقَدِّرُ الَّيلَ وَالنَّهارَ عَلِمَ أَن لَن تُحصوهُ فَتابَ عَلَيكُم فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنَ القُرءانِ عَلِمَ أَن سَيَكونُ مِنكُم مَرضىٰ وَءاخَرونَ يَضرِبونَ فِى الأَرضِ يَبتَغونَ مِن فَضلِ اللَّهِ وَءاخَرونَ يُقٰتِلونَ فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنهُ وَأَقيمُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتُوا الزَّكوٰةَ وَأَقرِضُوا اللَّهَ قَرضًا حَسَنًا وَما تُقَدِّموا لِأَنفُسِكُم مِن خَيرٍ تَجِدوهُ عِندَ اللَّهِ هُوَ خَيرًا وَأَعظَمَ أَجرًا وَاستَغفِرُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفورٌ رَحيمٌ

What is this "The Salat" here? Can you see this "The Salat" is extra as well as giving the Zakat, doing good...etc. righteousness , reading Qoran.
Acknowledge is a general term and can be done in righteousness or any other mentioned here or not mentioned. The salat is something defined ,specific and can be identified by studying other verses with "The Salat" in them.
2- 11:87
They said, "O Shu`aib, does your "Salawat" dictate upon you that we must abandon our parents' religion, or running our businesses in any manner we choose? Surely, you are known for being clement, wise."
قالوا يٰشُعَيبُ أَصَلوٰتُكَ تَأمُرُكَ أَن نَترُكَ ما يَعبُدُ ءاباؤُنا أَو أَن نَفعَلَ فى أَموٰلِنا ما نَشٰؤُا۟ إِنَّكَ لَأَنتَ الحَليمُ الرَّشيدُ

Again this "Salawat" is not "Aquimi Salat" or "The Salat" ,so the meaning is different.

3-  Or this, which is completely different to both above
33:43
He is the One who Yusalli on you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers.
هُوَ الَّذى يُصَلّى عَلَيكُم وَمَلٰئِكَتُهُ لِيُخرِجَكُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ وَكانَ بِالمُؤمِنينَ رَحيمًا

Here the context and meaning are given in the verse- Encourage/help you to come out of darkness into the light- message-.

 However ,those who know GOD and seek His path will know for sure that GOD knows everything and are in acknowledgement 24/7:

You do not get into any situation, nor do you recite/study any Qoran, nor do you do anything, without us being witnesses thereof as you do it. Not even an atom's weight is out of your Lord's control, be it in the heavens or the earth. Nor is there anything smaller than an atom, or larger, that is not recorded in a profound record.
وَما تَكونُ فى شَأنٍ وَما تَتلوا مِنهُ مِن قُرءانٍ وَلا تَعمَلونَ مِن عَمَلٍ إِلّا كُنّا عَلَيكُم شُهودًا إِذ تُفيضونَ فيهِ وَما يَعزُبُ عَن رَبِّكَ مِن مِثقالِ ذَرَّةٍ فِى الأَرضِ وَلا فِى السَّماءِ وَلا أَصغَرَ مِن ذٰلِكَ وَلا أَكبَرَ إِلّا فى كِتٰبٍ مُبينٍ

GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

brother jkhan.

Arabic is used by GOD for Qoran for a precise and specific reason. Definitions of words that come from the same root can vary and may mean a different thing altogether.
Why translate "Salat", "The Salat" or "Aquimi Salat" as the same thing? For example:

Here are three verses that have these 3 words, yet different context and meanings:
1-73:20
Your Lord knows that you stay up/meditate...  تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ , or half of it, or one-third of it, and so do some of those who believed with you. God has designed the night and the day, and He knows that you cannot always do this. He has pardoned you. Instead, you shall read what you can of the Quran. He knows that some of you may be ill, others may be traveling in pursuit of God's provisions, and others may be striving in the cause of God. You shall read what you can of it, and observe the Salat, give the Zakat , and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever good you send ahead on behalf of your souls, you will find it at God far better and generously rewarded. And implore God for forgiveness. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
إِنَّ رَبَّكَ يَعلَمُ أَنَّكَ تَقومُ أَدنىٰ مِن ثُلُثَىِ الَّيلِ وَنِصفَهُ وَثُلُثَهُ وَطائِفَةٌ مِنَ الَّذينَ مَعَكَ وَاللَّهُ يُقَدِّرُ الَّيلَ وَالنَّهارَ عَلِمَ أَن لَن تُحصوهُ فَتابَ عَلَيكُم فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنَ القُرءانِ عَلِمَ أَن سَيَكونُ مِنكُم مَرضىٰ وَءاخَرونَ يَضرِبونَ فِى الأَرضِ يَبتَغونَ مِن فَضلِ اللَّهِ وَءاخَرونَ يُقٰتِلونَ فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ فَاقرَءوا ما تَيَسَّرَ مِنهُ وَأَقيمُوا الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتُوا الزَّكوٰةَ وَأَقرِضُوا اللَّهَ قَرضًا حَسَنًا وَما تُقَدِّموا لِأَنفُسِكُم مِن خَيرٍ تَجِدوهُ عِندَ اللَّهِ هُوَ خَيرًا وَأَعظَمَ أَجرًا وَاستَغفِرُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفورٌ رَحيمٌ

What is this "The Salat" here? Can you see this "The Salat" is extra as well as giving the Zakat, doing good...etc. righteousness , reading Qoran.
Acknowledge is a general term and can be done in righteousness or any other mentioned here or not mentioned. The salat is something defined ,specific and can be identified by studying other verses with "The Salat" in them.
2- 11:87
They said, "O Shu`aib, does your "Salawat" dictate upon you that we must abandon our parents' religion, or running our businesses in any manner we choose? Surely, you are known for being clement, wise."
قالوا يٰشُعَيبُ أَصَلوٰتُكَ تَأمُرُكَ أَن نَترُكَ ما يَعبُدُ ءاباؤُنا أَو أَن نَفعَلَ فى أَموٰلِنا ما نَشٰؤُا۟ إِنَّكَ لَأَنتَ الحَليمُ الرَّشيدُ

Again this "Salawat" is not "Aquimi Salat" or "The Salat" ,so the meaning is different.

3-  Or this, which is completely different to both above
33:43
He is the One who Yusalli on you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers.
هُوَ الَّذى يُصَلّى عَلَيكُم وَمَلٰئِكَتُهُ لِيُخرِجَكُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ وَكانَ بِالمُؤمِنينَ رَحيمًا

Here the context and meaning are given in the verse- Encourage/help you to come out of darkness into the light- message-.

 However ,those who know GOD and seek His path will know for sure that GOD knows everything and are in acknowledgement 24/7:

You do not get into any situation, nor do you recite/study any Qoran, nor do you do anything, without us being witnesses thereof as you do it. Not even an atom's weight is out of your Lord's control, be it in the heavens or the earth. Nor is there anything smaller than an atom, or larger, that is not recorded in a profound record.
وَما تَكونُ فى شَأنٍ وَما تَتلوا مِنهُ مِن قُرءانٍ وَلا تَعمَلونَ مِن عَمَلٍ إِلّا كُنّا عَلَيكُم شُهودًا إِذ تُفيضونَ فيهِ وَما يَعزُبُ عَن رَبِّكَ مِن مِثقالِ ذَرَّةٍ فِى الأَرضِ وَلا فِى السَّماءِ وَلا أَصغَرَ مِن ذٰلِكَ وَلا أَكبَرَ إِلّا فى كِتٰبٍ مُبينٍ

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salam GL...

Sorry for delay in reply as a result of security Alert while opening this forum..

Seek with open mind lovely brother.. Don't confine as if you have been compelled.. Just relax and seek.. Having said that..
Sala utmost meaning language-wise is  closely connected like horses running side by side.. And salawat is plural of it. And aquim is just a word which can be used for anything.. Aquim can in simple way be translated as establish... And it has literal meaning of stand too.. etc..
But in Quran Allah has used the word Salah to the Quran revelation session in many verses where in fact close connection did take place.. Quran is recited / read / repeated and questions asked and replies furnished etc.. That's how this Quran was specifically revealed to believers to guide them and to follow them and get updated all revelations and its laws..etc.. A methodical way of revelations .. So in that Quran revelation sessions a connection do take place with verses of Allah.. As I explained you earlier Connection is common and can get connected with anything in life like the word salah itself means closely connected like horses running side by side.. Allah can use salah to anything. Read 9:84 it clearly states don't get connected with any of those passed away.. Ie  with their allies.. It's not ritual salah no dead bodies..
Malika get connected with believers.. Believers were instructed to get connected with prophet.. Prophet was requested to get connected with certain people who went astray and reformed to give them some assurance.. etc..

All messengers revealed their revelations in a methodical way to people in sessions.. Same When Shoib revealed his revelations also methodical way calling his people believers plus anyone to herald whatever was descended to him from Allah.. So these people asked Shoib your Salawat ie  whatever in the sessions revealed refrain us bla bla. They said..
Same salwat in 2:238 ..salawat was sessions of revelations... But what happens or the aim of session  is to have connection with revelations..
Don't complicate aquim.. It can be used on its own.. For example.. When the authority is given to believers they get connected / bonded with integrity and bringforth purity... And this is not connection with Allah like aquim Salat verses.. ... Its indeed connection to the people / community.. The verse doesn't mean those in authority they themselves connected to Allah and bringforth purity to themselves.. Nope.. Instead they get connected but with community and bringforth purity to the nation... This connection is common word and aquim as well.. Same verses in chapter 9 when it comes to disbeliiving people... Once they repent (not repent with Allah Like believers repent but general repent just cuz they are caught) get connected / cultivated good bond with believers and bringforth purity ie no more menace to the Society then just leave them on their way... 9:5... And Not when the disbelievers believed in God and connected with Allah and purified their souls.. Nope.. Lol.. Reflect bro..

Further arabic was not used for precise reason.. It was used just cuz it was revealed to arabic community.. No other reason..

regarding 73:20 I would bring one verse to compare and reflect in my next post.. It's not Zakath and Ritual prayer... You have to read Quran to understand Allah's revelation and don't complicate it.. Before bringing the phrase aquim  sala  wa'athu Zakat, Allah could mention any other instruction instead of read Quran .. So don't complicate.. For example.. Allah can say believe in Ghaib and establish Salat... Or restrain you hands establish salah 4:77..Etc.. So don't drag and deduce that since read Quran is mentioned before Aquim As-Salat it could only mean ritual salah.. Reading Quran is mandatory for a believer to reach guidance.. 

[jkhan]

Let me enlighten you all with below profound verse.. Lot to reflect in it..

2:177
"The dutifulness (AlBir) is not that you turn your attention / purpose (wajha) toward the enlightenment (Al Mashriq) or the benightedness (Al Magrib). But, the dutifulnesss is one who believed in Allah, the Last Day, Malika, the Book, and the prophets and gave wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask, and for freeing necks.  and who he established connection (salah) and broughtforth purity (zaka), and those who fulfilling their covenant when they make it, and
are perseverant in suffering and hardship and at the time of violence. Those are the ones who have attested to the truth and it is those who are the concious."

Here Salat and zakat mentioned together... But Allah has clearly explained already to give from wealth to all possible recipients in the list... And logically ponder and immediately would Allah say pray and give Zakath again? How come it makes sense to any of you who says Zakath is obligatory charity...
@GL.. This is answer to your 73:20 question in previous post .. I can't convince anyone but I can only herald message of God in its true sense God willing..

[good logic]

Peace jkhan.
If you are. sure ,then you carry on with your studies and best of luck.
I may have missed your take on 5:6, can you give your understanding on it please.
 Thanks.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[jkhan]

Peace jkhan.
If you are. sure ,then you carry on with your studies and best of luck.
I may have missed your take on 5:6, can you give your understanding on it please.
 Thanks.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salam..

There is nothing to wish with best of luck.. It's not decided with luck.. Indeed I am convinced and absolutely sure and aware what I speak of but also aware that it won't be easy to understand what I wrote in my every reply unless the one who understood the verses of Allah in its merit and trrue meaning.. It's okay brother keep seeking but keep space for improvement and verify what you do is what Allah meant.. And beg for tru  guidance.. That's all I can say to a fellow believer like you..

Yes.. 5:6 OR 4:43 is to ensure that no one brings any bodily odour of disturbances cuz of the situation they are in when they attend the Quran revelation session (Salah) cuz it could be directly a hamper to the gathering if some of the attendees are stinking or could well be a disturbance cuz of drinking smell and bodily odour etc.. .. But recommended best to avoid the session.. It's not a ritual cleaning but it's for the sake of others who are clean bodily and by conciousness at the gathering so everyone can keep concentration what's revealing and what's questioning etc. .. Cuz gathering is for Salah (Quran revelation. For connection) and it should have a good atmosphere free of any unwanted disturbances..

Quran revelation sessions are time fixed and cannot be postponed and everytime if it is postponed Quran cannot be revealed fully in time and questions can't be raised.. It should be heralded to believers with top priority so that they can abide by and they can herald to others what is revealed.. Since it is time fixed it can well and truely revealed within life time of prophet and believers get all what they want completely.. Don't you see in QURAN it says THEY ASK YOU.. yes not randomly ask when they see prophet but they ask all their respective questions in Quran revelations session so gradually answers comes and Messenger replies within Quran.. Further Repetion of Quran is also vital.. Ehenever verses not revealed Quran be repeated so they can refresh and recollect and those who missed salah can get to know.. It's a long process but methodical..
That's why in chapter 23:1-10 salah is mentioned two  times .. One it states believers in their salah humble (Khashiun) and in another verse believers guard their Salah... The former is Connection with Allah and later is Quran revelation session... And they not miss salah and they guard them all cuz Allah's revelation is vital for them... They attend every session..

It's like school.. Students are prepared for OL exams.. Every session in class room is key to complete all subjects..

Note : Salah,  Quran revelation session is not just a gathering to have fun,  but to CLOSELY GET CONNECTED to what is revealed and ACKNOWLEDGE...

[jkhan]

Salam everyone...

Some have concern what indeed Salah (connection)  in reality or in real life means ... They ask me..

My fellow believers... It's your relationship with Allah and a strong connection.. Connection or relationship can never be ONE SIDED..its not connection at all.. But it's our duty and we are in need to connect not Allah.. We are to initiate connection.. If we connect and with integrity to Allah then Allah will connect with us.. When Allah is connected with a believer then guidance will flow gradually.. And they further ask if salah is connection then what is Iman / Faith... Good question.. Both iman and salah has huge difference... Iman is trust and strong trust in Allah and in His power,  and what he has created and His promises in this life and hereafter and His statements of Ghaib etc etc.. Strong faith without doubt is iman.. ... That's sheer faith in Allah.. But with all those faith one has to cultivate to near Allah, the connection with Him.. Got the difference? Like Allah says hold the rope of Allah means don't get disconnected... If the connection is strong only the path of Allah becomes easier..
With such connection only,  one can beg for FORGIVENESS or REPENT for one's errors standing long time, or make SUPLICATION /DUA for our needs of this world and hereafter or remember Allah and His creations and utter/exalt His magnificence etc.. Without any CONNECTION to Allah whatever I stated above are mere words in the air mixing .. And is like talking in a telephone where there is no connection or talking to someone who not at all listen to you.. .. If you are not connected with Allah, He is not the one to listen to you or respond to you.. When the connection is there,  you fear Alllah and you are aware Allah is watching at us. When you don't have connection you don't fear Allah and you don't care Allah is watching at us or not.. So path of Allah is lost paving inroads to evils..

Aqimu sala wa"athu zaka... establish connection and bringforth purity.. With connection to Allah only,  souls can get purified.. No connection no chance of purity..

[jkhan]

Salam everyone...

9:5 " ...... .... But if they repent, and establish salah, and give zakah, leave them on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

I brought the above verse to herald a robust message to all of you and in case God willing with pure and unprejudiced heart you would comprehend...
But above is not true translation of God's verse.. Verse obviously talks about Mushrik people who manifestly associates with Allah and they didn't submit to Allah.. Never..
Here is the truth of the verse as under..

9:5
"..... ... But / So if they REPENTED, and ESTABLISHED connection / bond (Salah), and DEVELOPED / BROUGHT FORTH Purity (Zaka), leave them on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Generous."

Note perfect verbs..

So in the above verse when those violent Mushrik people are under the rule of believers they have to obey the rule of nation.. Cannot accept violence and go against the Direction (Deen) applied common to all.. So these mushrik people came under believers Seige cuz of violence and they executed agaisnt Direction (Deen) ..
But Allah wisely advise to let them go... Free.. But question is WHEN?  Yes.. When they REPENTED to the rulers and ESTABLISHED connection (sala).. Yes connection to the Direction of Rulers and and PRODUCED Purity/unblemished state (zaka)... In simple language those aggressors can be released once the rulers accepted their repentance based on their close connection to the Direction of the nation and induced to get rid of impurities ..Such people are part of Direction(Deen) and no need to further have them under custody...

Well. This verse has nothing to do of mushrik people's repentance to Allah and prayer and giving zaka to poor.. Note the past tense use (perfect verb) ... Reflect.. Ritual prayer is not something to be called IF THEY ESTABLISHED SALAH.. but ritual prayer is continuous for life and cannot be said so.. Same if they GAVE zakat.. What's  correlation with Ritual prayer and zakat when they are under custody..? So if they pray for couple of days ritual prayers then just leave them free? Does it make sense?
So did you notice the general use of aquim Salat and waatu zakat..
These mushrik people not believed in Allah just cuz they were captured by rulers and they didn't submit  but they repented and connected to the direction of nation and produced purity.. So guys go live in society.. You are free citizens.. That's it.. But if they change then God has commanded to fight with them.. Read 9:1-12 with what I explained above and ponder whether it makes sense.. If Allah will you will get it..

Note: Just read verse 9:6 immediately after 9:5 God says Polytheist... Even though they were set free but some would still prefer for safety reasons to remain with believers or like to have some assurance of safeguarding them not cuz they accepted Allah but cuz they repented and connected to the direction of rulers... Allah further says in 9:6 well let polytheists Perhaps listen to the revelation of Allah while they with believers...