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Title: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on June 03, 2016, 08:33:38 PM
Who created God?

Over the last few years I have had some conversations about theological matters with atheists and agnostics. And a question I have been asked is this: "Who created God?"

It seems that many atheists reject the fact that there is "one God" just because they don't believe that something can exist without being created.

These are ideas that an atheist might ponder upon:

If there is only one God, then which entity created it? If an entity created God, then this means that another creator (another God) has existed in the past but vanished, or has existed in the past and still exists. If another creator has existed in the past but vanished, or has existed in the past and still exists, then this means that the notion that there has always been only "one God", is false.

This is why I believe that atheists are wrong in regards to monotheism: 

In my opinion, there has always been only "one God". And the reason why I believe that there has always been only "one God", is because the Quran suggests that the God was not begotten.

Quran 112:3 He does not beget, nor was He begotten.

According to the above-mentioned verse, God was not begotten (born). If God was not begotten, then no entity could have created God. If no entity could have created the God, then this means that God is eternal. If God is eternal, then this means that God has no beginning and no end. This reasoning (which is supported by verse 112:3 in the Quran) leads me to the conclusion that no entity could have created God. No entity can create that which is eternal (has no beginning and no end). Because it is a logical impossibility to create something which is eternal (has always existed).

Quran 39:62 God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things.

Quran 40:62 That is God, your Lord, Creator of all things. There is no god except He, so why do you deviate?

According to the above-mentioned verses, God is the creator of everything. If God is the creator of everything, then this means that no entity could have created it. Because no entity can create that which has created everything. In other words, no one can create the creator of everything. This reasoning (which is supported by verse 39:62 and 40:62 in the Quran) leads me to the conclusion that no entity could have created God. Because it is a logical impossibility to create the creator of everything.

So who created God? Nothing. No one. The quranic evidences in this this essay proves that the arguments regarding "the creation of God" are rooted in falsehood. 

Note: This essay was written in November 2014. It has been edited. A few parts of it has been changed.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: The Guided One on June 03, 2016, 11:55:39 PM
ATHEISTS SHOULD TRY AND EXPLAIN WHY THE UNIVERSE EXPANDS AND IF THEY CAN FIND THIS OUT THAN THEY CAN START THINKING ABOUT GOD
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: reel on June 04, 2016, 12:23:23 AM
As usual, nice article Taro. I have come to realize that people have been going wrong about why atheists don't believe in God. Yes, those who think hard can easily come to conclusion that there is a creator. But I believe the entire process of knowing him has been badly communicated with most people on the planet. I blame the authority figures like priests, mullahs and scientists for it. All these people I mentioned have got more respect than they deserve for their so called bank of knowledge. We the average people boosted their ego by tagging them as experts in their fields. This ego thing is quite an addiction for which even when they don't know  answers to questions given by their followers they succumb to myths. That basically gives birth to faith. In other words, we are to have faith in what they say. Failure to do so equals to humiliation and insults for us the average people. But who between the priests and scientists is right? Neither. They take away our right to know God personally. Both are corrupted, yet we can't fully blame the honest scientists and atheists. I am excluding Mr Harris and Dawkins from this. But again, only if they knew how it is easy to live a good life just by making some changes in their psychology to connect with God they would have avoided the zionist agenda which also is quite a silly plot and waste of time for all participating in it.

Truth is that everyone can get access to God through their psychology. Only thing needed is to avoid what makes us humans animals. My examples would be pride, ego, anger, bullying, etc. The real art of accessing him is found easily in the Quran. The changes to be made in the mind has to be genuine. That's the way to him. When God says, "believe in me" he does not mean "believe I exist" which unfortunately is how majority of us were taught by the "experts". He actually tells us to get connected to him through tips of how to make psychological changes given in the Quran. That's why, he keeps telling us to follow it. So much can happen when it is done. Quran gives us many signs of that. Here is one:
O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My covenant [upon you] that I will fulfill your covenant [from Me], and be afraid of [only] Me.2:40

Most tend to think of such ayah as  "oh, they were just good people, that's why they were favored. We can never get that because we are bad". Hell no! Anyone can get the favor even now and how to get it is all in the Book. The only thing that seems to be a hurdle is the idea of rituals. The attitude that it has designed goes like this for most: "Okay I did my 3/5 times prayers, that's all I need to worship Allah/God, in between nothing else is needed of me". Trust me, that is the general attitude the people of the religions have. This is how we lose him. This is how people are forced to become atheists. I do get their feeling. The priests' and scientists of version of faith is quite funny. I mean its almost staring at broken blank screen of a turned on computer. It is running, but we see nothing.

No one needs science to prove God. He can be proven by positive changes we bring to life by getting connected to him in the mind. No priest and scientist can ever make us know him. He is to be known individually. But of course, it can't be fake and it is not about cutting off hands,having multiple marriages and killing the "infidels".
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Man of Faith on June 04, 2016, 01:17:54 AM
I think the main reason why many choose to be atheists is because of the pathetically primitive level of God and that is due to people portraying God as according to their own mind.

That there is no Creator to the Creator is obviously a point that would appear illogical, but then their whole existence as to why they were born is illogical too. Their argument does not hold water because it would mean their whole argument of being alive would fall apart. Instead of asking themselves who created God they could simply ask, "who/what created the primitive cells, did they just emerge out of nothingness?"

I suppose that no matter if they accept God at that point in contemplation they have to accept the world does not appear to have a creator even though it is according to their lack of empirical observation. What I mean is their argument you brought up in the thread is not a valid one as it is only a weak theory as there is no empirical evidence of either case. I would find it a stronger indication to have faith in a God because tiny cells can develop into advanced beings as if the tiny cells have intelligence enough to become more sophisticated and/or because of the integrity of matter and that the interstellar bodies seemed to know how a working planetary system would bring forth working natural laws. I mean, gravity must have needed intelligence to construct to begin with, the whole natural law. It means the argument for something above our existence is stronger than of that there is no God.

It is more probable that atheists reject the notion of God because how primitive those convinced of God's existence make Him/Her because that is a more logically valid argument, but then they are weak as they cannot create their of realm of thinking and make out what God is through own contemplation. They only reason about God as according to external input but cannot think freely themselves, a common human fallacy, so while finding themselves more intelligent they are still primitive.

Be well
Amenuel
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: huruf on June 04, 2016, 03:30:43 AM
To me this question would go back to the ultimate question of why is there anything instead of there being nothing. NOthing is one of those things that can't be imagined, at leat I can't. If there was nothing, then there wouldn not be a God either But since there is something, we can safely assumethat there is a God, ince most things we know we also know that they are creatd that they did not always exist, therefore whatever there is and ever was is God. and nothing can come from outside of God.

Salaam
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on June 04, 2016, 08:58:30 AM
every created thing have a creator,

but God is uncreated by default. so law of creation cannnot applied to him.

right now atheist and we , think by the mind provided to us, its obviously a human mind and human mind always think there must b a start , and this question stick somewhere , where does God start, as we know everything has a start , how can something without start, billions of years ago, multilpy it more billion years, more more more, where does everythinng start?

but if we think he one who created us, know our programming, and what he will reward  us hereafter is having no end thats what he said,

again for understanding real nature of God we may have not much answers , how this programming of uncreated work, but may b after this life our minds get advance and we may understand .

closing understanding can be a force of nature thats governs the laws , or a being or a master  of everything whatever exist,if there is nothing his own powers can make anything whatever he wishes from nothing, having no shape but in every shape you feel his presence , in every marvel there is a intelligent design or a signature that left u thinking its not a natural selection, its a intelligent design.

look in to the wild life.. how he filled the colors in creatures. our mind stops actually , right know we cannnot understand fully but whatever we understand it amazed us and let us think the almight is something which is very high.. higness is first closing thing come in the mind.

so glorify him instead of investigating.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on June 04, 2016, 09:04:02 AM
[Quran 57:2] To Him belongs the kingship of the heavens and the earth. He controls life and death. He is Omnipotent.

[Quran 57:3] He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things.

[Quran 57:4] He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six periods. then assumed all authority. He knows everything that enters into the earth, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the sky, and everything that climbs into it. He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seer of everything you do.


there are almost ten million species of life, billions of different sun like stars, and more what we have no knowledge,, and see when he was telling all this, he use just a line,, the one who created all this in six youm, thats it,,, amazing enna, he dnt even bother that whatever he created ,

moreover this is the history of universe what we linked in, what we know about his kingdom . this all universe fits in our dimenshion of mind, the time 13.7 billion years all this stuff  is for the history what we can analyse on this part of universe.

what he was doing before it. a theory of parallel universe ,  its looking like all this universe is in a cup of tea for him, how he describe. just in a very simple mode. its nothing for him. so i dnt think so anybody can even get  a hint about the nature of such highly advance divinity what we  know as our creator .



Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Man of Faith on June 04, 2016, 02:38:37 PM
Imran,

You tell that one should not investigate?

Of course the world here is marvelously designed, but we can always think of why.

Besides all the awe, there is also cruelty in this world. In fact it is not particularly friendly, even if we rule out the consequences of human acts. Diseases, natural disasters, instinctive compulsive behavior and even pain giving birth. The world is not so very nice actually.

The human following instincts will not be particularly empathetic, and will be primitive, and that is due to the world and not their spirit of their soul.

Be well
Amenuel
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on June 05, 2016, 07:34:03 PM
Peace everyone,

Thank you for your posts.

I think all of you raise some good points in your posts.

If you like the essay, please spread the word.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Bender on June 05, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
Hi,

The question would only make sense if God was a creature.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Comrox on June 05, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 05, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
Hi,

The question would only make sense if God was a creature.

Agreed. The more I was reading Qur'an today the more I started thinking about His nature.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on June 23, 2016, 07:34:11 AM
Quote from: Man of Faith on June 04, 2016, 02:38:37 PM
Besides all the awe, there is also cruelty in this world. In fact it is not particularly friendly, even if we rule out the consequences of human acts. Diseases, natural disasters, instinctive compulsive behavior and even pain giving birth. The world is not so very nice actually

thats our body that feel pain, and tell us its hungry its need to be covered by brands, cloths, shelter , thats what the test of life.. tests are not easy and nobody really like giving exams, but nobody become doctor if he will not give the exam,, not only giving the exam but have to pass the exam as well,,

same criteria for this worldy life there must be tests and pains and exams one need to understannd life is not a bed of roses. its a examination going on due to the need of body and things related to body..

just thinkk for a while if you are a being without body... u will not feel pain, hungry, sex, birth, burden of kids, wearing ,
so was you expecting that type of life.. so where is the purpose then,,

we are here due to a reason, and our body is our responsibilty its up to us how we will fill this responsibilty in what manner. there are two ways one is the righteous way other one is dishonest way. results will be acquired by the path what we select..

there is ease after every difficulty... indeed there is ease after every difficulty

peace.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: The Sardar on June 28, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on June 28, 2016, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: The Sardar on June 28, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.

according to Richard dawkins universe come in to existence by nothing , he is talking about the matter what we see.. the age of matter and so on.. its our history.. anyway,, make it simple God is the master source of everything . that's why we say him lord owner creator. he created everything from nothing at first place . their theory did not contradict with creation of universe. lets say before bigbang it was smoke... that's what most of the scientist think.. infact its mention in quran as well.. and before smoke scientist think it was nothing ,, its logical, every created thing was nothing . every created thing must started from something  and that something was nothing before that something loop go on until nothing.. when there was nothing it was the presence of our lord.. timeless God. every created thing fall in time shape existence .

there are some things if we look around us we better understand. like God told us, its Allah who bring dead out from living and living out of dead..

Allah  is alpha and omega

Allah is initiator and repeator..

Allah grasp everything while nothing can grasp Allah( from this its clear everything whatever we observe or not observe is under the system of lord but what nature God have no source can observe)


Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Man of Faith on June 28, 2016, 01:47:21 PM
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There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.

It is illogical to say the universe came out of nothing because then it would lack any kind of substance source. Further illogical it is to say nothing could turn into advanced lifeforms without any kind of innate guiding force within the matter, no matter if the God phenomenon itself is pantheistic or non-pantheistic.

Logic helps in making out certain points about the nature of God. For example, there cannot be a creator of the most fundamental platform (Rabb) because through logical deduction it is impossible to be one as the argument just turns into a "loop", it is not possible to find a beginning. It means the argument that Rabb has no beginning nor end, and where Rabb would end is the beginning.

I find it interesting that people like 'Laurence Krauss' and 'Richard Dawkins' seem unable to reason rationally. You would expect such people would harbor a good logic.

Be well
Amenuel
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Bender on June 28, 2016, 06:59:14 PM
Quote from: The Sardar on June 28, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.

red: It's not scientific to make such statements. That statement explain nothing and is against the most fundamental laws of nature.

welcome to the forum  :handshake:
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: good logic on June 28, 2016, 09:04:27 PM
Peace Bender,The Sardar.

Richard Dawkins now believes in Intelligent design!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca5_1226724281

God bless .
Peace.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Jafar on June 28, 2016, 10:13:38 PM
Quote from: The Sardar on June 28, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.

The way the "Semites" portrayed / see their God is Illogical..
Mr. Krauss and Mr. Dawkins were born in the culture which are heavily influenced by the way the Semites see God. (Person like, got angry, doesn't know everything, has enemies, fought war, wrote books, got pissed of if somebody wrote a bad review about His books, got disappointed with Israelites etc..)

Thus no wonder they become an "Atheist" ... of Semitic God.
Me too... I'm an atheist of Semitic God.

We now know better... even time and space itself is a creation. (read: Has beginning and will end it's existence)
As such.. when time itself is a creation, the discussion of time based context is irrelevant..

Who Created God? God is there even when there wasn't any "time"...

"Since before time and space were,
The Tao is.
It is beyond is and is not.
How do I know this is true?
I look inside myself and see."

-- Lao Tse, 600 BC

"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. "
-- Albert Einstein


Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Novice on June 28, 2016, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 05, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
Hi,

The question would only make sense if God was a creature.

Salaam Bender

That is the fundamental question? Do we know what God is? We cannot compare Him with any creation.

لَيۡسَ كَمِثۡلِهِۦ شَىۡءٌ۬‌ۖ

Nothing is like Him (42:11)

وَلَمۡ يَكُن لَّهُ ۥ ڪُفُوًا أَحَدٌ

And nothing is equivalent to Him. 112:4


Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Novice on June 28, 2016, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: Jafar on June 28, 2016, 10:13:38 PM
"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. "
-- Albert Einstein

I found full quote like this on a Bhuddhist site http://www.vimokkha.com/einstein.htm

?The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal god and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.? Albert Einstein
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: The Sardar on June 29, 2016, 01:37:46 AM
Quote from: good logic on June 28, 2016, 09:04:27 PM
Peace Bender,The Sardar.

Richard Dawkins now believes in Intelligent design!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca5_1226724281

God bless .
Peace.
Seems Dawkins supporters disagree with you. Not me by the way im a muslim monotheist so i acknowleged God as the Lord of the Worlds.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Man of Faith on June 29, 2016, 04:33:16 AM
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The way the "Semites" portrayed / see their God is Illogical..

You better change that into deluded clerics and scholars. The understanding of faith by insightful ones such as Moses and Jesus was very different and they were S(h)emites too.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Jafar on June 29, 2016, 06:50:09 AM
Quote from: Man of Faith on June 29, 2016, 04:33:16 AM
You better change that into deluded clerics and scholars. The understanding of faith by insightful ones such as Moses and Jesus was very different and they were S(h)emites too.

Of course there are always diamonds among the mud..
I'm not sure about Moses though.. never met him in person.. and he think he's having a conversation with God (if the semitic legend is true)

Deluded Clerics, Scholars and their fanatic followers of "Semitic God" who viewed God as if it's a human..

Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Bender on June 29, 2016, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: good logic on June 28, 2016, 09:04:27 PM
Peace Bender,The Sardar.

Richard Dawkins now believes in Intelligent design!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca5_1226724281

God bless .
Peace.


Hi GL,

Not really. He believes there might have been an ID some long time ago somewhere in the universe who might have brought this all to existence.
And this ID-er(s) came in to exsistense by evolution.
This makes absolutely no sense as his whole theory is taking place in a universe. From where did that universe came from?


Quote from: Novice on June 28, 2016, 11:11:07 PM
Salaam Bender

That is the fundamental question? Do we know what God is? We cannot compare Him with any creation.

لَيۡسَ كَمِثۡلِهِۦ شَىۡءٌ۬‌ۖ

Nothing is like Him (42:11)

وَلَمۡ يَكُن لَّهُ ۥ ڪُفُوًا أَحَدٌ

And nothing is equivalent to Him. 112:4



Salaam Novice,

I believe we can know more about Him but the difficulty is that we quickly make images in our mind to comprehend it.
If I say God is The Creator, a lot of people will see some creature in their mind who is creating something. But that is wrong.
God never said He is a creature who creates, but "simply" that He is The Creator.

Quote from: Jafar on June 29, 2016, 06:50:09 AM
Of course there are always diamonds among the mud..
I'm not sure about Moses though.. never met him in person.. and he think he's having a conversation with God (if the semitic legend is true)

Deluded Clerics, Scholars and their fanatic followers of "Semitic God" who viewed God as if it's a human..

In a post of you some weeks ago you said that you can see, feel and hear God.
Looks almost that you see Him also as a human.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on June 29, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
creature is also derived from create or he been created ... God is not a creature or anything ... what can be imagineable...

if God is uncreated by default we cannot assign anything wordy to him... to explain his nature..

everybody must have some imagination regarding God , but whatever we imagine comes up through the interpretation of our view of eye sight . like light, sound, human, mountain ,sun moon star. whatever . before watching the far side of moon people just can imagine whats there once it explored it can be thinkable..  . for sure whatever we imagine about God its just imagination nothing else. infact how can we think, understand  or imagine something which we have no knowledge off..

there is nothing like God

no eye can grasp the image of God while he can grasp the image of everything...

I also have imagination which first  time I m going to share but I know its just imagination...

what  I imagine is the source of everything whatever is in heavens and earth , a force that governs all the sources and control it without requiring anything else from anyother source all the source time space and whatever we have no knowledge off is under his command and he generates all the things from himself while he himself generate from nothing ...
its actually confusing I cannot explain it even the way I think in my mind,, and after all I know its also an imagination , the highness of God is much more than what we even think...

peace
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: good logic on June 29, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
Peace Bender ,The Sardar.

To some  what is Intelligent designer?

Anyhow ,they keep running from the truth!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJoOhbf3_Ts

The Creator has left clear signs.
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Novice on June 29, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 29, 2016, 11:26:30 AM
I believe we can know more about Him but the difficulty is that we quickly make images in our mind to comprehend it.
If I say God is The Creator, a lot of people will see some creature in their mind who is creating something. But that is wrong.
God never said He is a creature who creates, but "simply" that He is The Creator.

Thanks Bender :handshake:

Human being cannot stop imagining about God.

Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: The Sardar on June 30, 2016, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: Novice on June 29, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
Thanks Bender :handshake:

Human being cannot stop imagining about God.
Nobody can think who God is. Who knows maybe the Lord of the Worlds is much better than we all thought.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Timotheus on June 30, 2016, 03:57:25 AM
Peace,
Alhamdullilah, very good essay.

Some of Gods most beautifull names are;
al-hayy - the ever living, eternal
al-qayoom - the self-subsisting, self-existing
al-khalaq - the creator of all things

i have also been involved in discussions and debates, and generaly this is the others main argument.

to me, the exsistence of God, with all his glorious and beautifull names and attributes is the only possible logical and reasonable conclusion one can make as to why we are here and why Gods creation is made in such a perfect and balanced manner.

as the quran says 'Surely, in the Heavens and the Earth are signs for those who believe'

Pondering Gods creation is one of the big reasons i came to believe in Him, and the Quran, everything is created so perfectly balanced.

Glory be to God, he surely is the Most Great, Most Magnificent, worthy of all praise and worship, the Most Merciful, Most Compassionate
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Bender on June 30, 2016, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: good logic on June 29, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
Peace Bender ,The Sardar.

To some  what is Intelligent designer?

Anyhow ,they keep running from the truth!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJoOhbf3_Ts

The Creator has left clear signs.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Peace GL,

It doesn't take a scientist to understand what's going on baby, it's just a little crush...
aaarrrrgggghhhh I have that girly song in my head  >:( 
Worst thing is I forgot her name, and I hate to google it, I want to find it on my own  >:(

Sorry I wanted to say this:
It really doesn't take a scientist or science to understand that it's not possible to have a creation without its Creator.


Quote from: Novice on June 29, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
Thanks Bender :handshake:

Human being cannot stop imagining about God.

I don't know for what but you are welcome and you also thanks  :)    :handshake:


Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: The Sardar on June 30, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 30, 2016, 12:47:19 PM

It really doesn't take a scientist or science to understand that it's not possible to have a creation without its Creator.
Some people dont want there to be a creator, i think a few wants to erase the Lord of the Worlds signs but that wont work at all.
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: Timotheus on June 30, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: The Sardar on June 30, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
Some people dont want there to be a creator, i think a few wants to erase the Lord of the Worlds signs but that wont work at all.


Peace,

this is true, but Praise God:

9:32 They want to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God refuses such and lets His light continue, even if the rejecters hate it.
9:33 He is the One who has sent His messenger with the guidance and the system of truth, so that it will expose all other systems, even if the polytheists hate it.

Peace
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 01, 2016, 12:03:44 PM
@ Richard dawkins..

natural selection is not working on lot of issues on natural world..

its something like coding of human being , coding a animal, coding of everything is already there by some desingner..

simply if we look into computer programme , for getting "output" we must write the coding which is required to acquire that the desired result.. if a dot is misplaces whole programme collapse. and output will not be achieved.

same a human being was human being ages ago , a goat was goat ages ago, horse was horse. monkey was monkey..

there is no missing links. there are missing brains cells in the head of athiests lol

the species of different kind like dogs have hundreds of different species but they call dog..
we have different races but we call ourself human beings.
snakes have different species but they all are snakes..
monkey have different species but they are monkeys...

if really something happened what  they think about natural selection the core functioning of coding will not work.
what we better understand since the era of computer popularised in the end of 2000 its new century new technologies . a computer programme is best to understand we also have programme inside us and every programme of human body is interlocked with another programme ...same like computer software.

monkey or apes dna structure cannot simply work on human beings.. by some random accident..
there is a designer a intelligent designer behind all this.. what we know as lord of universe..

peace
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: hawk99 on July 01, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Peace imrankhawaja, I agree with your post except:

Quote from: imrankhawaja on July 01, 2016, 12:03:44 PM
we have different races but we call ourself human beings.

There are no different races only the human race!  There are different nations.
Race is a social construct.  God created humans of various features. 
Who created God is a non-starter.

Quote from: Novice on June 29, 2016, 08:26:54 PM

Human being cannot stop imagining about God.


Knowing God by his attributes is all I have and that knowledge
will have to suffice!


All have a blessed Ramadan!
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 01, 2016, 01:56:40 PM
Quote from: hawk99 on July 01, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Peace imrankhawaja, I agree with your post except:

There are no different races only the human race!  There are different nations.
Race is a social construct.  God created humans of various features. 
Who created God is a non-starter.




peace hawk,

i mean when nations mix with each other they make mix race or nation...

may be grammer error.but by race i mean nations.. as we know nations are well describe according to the area and atmosphere ,   in the forms we usually see a race column in which its written , Asian white African or mix race ... lolxx

and who created God is non starter, i think i could not get get u there, is it something non starter that also exist , pleae tell me what u want to say apparently i m unable to understand

peace
God bless you

Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: hanslan on November 16, 2016, 08:32:07 PM
who created god? Man did for the reason he needs a pacifier in life - someone to blame.

Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
Post by: imrankhawaja on November 16, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
its also a factor of trust...

we get born , we believe what our parents tell  us to beleive... when they told us we are your parents

we did not really prove it for sure ... if we dnt have a faith on them...

God created all this we have a faith on him because we know this universe required a creator , this universe ask for a creator...

he told us he created all this we believed on him because we know its created...

example if  i bring a cake infront of you ?
and ask you is this created by someone can you  name it?
you probably well understand that yeh its a creation but , who created it i m not sure...
untill the baker of cake himself tells u i m the creator of this cake...

next question you may ask ok tell me whats inside  the cake if you really create it...
he may tell you a layer of white choclate and when you find that choclate you get more convince ?

next question you may ask . i dnt beleive its you who created it , it can b a guess..?
so then i have to create infront of you to make you believe ?

in case of universe i did not come accross anybody who can claim that is my creation , this big type of claim only God can do.. thats why god saying in the book again and again... produce something like that if you are truthful...

becoz he is the only one who knows the secrets of heavens and earth... right now  there is no partner in his kingship who claim i created all this we did not find any partner yet ...
Title: Re: An essay: Who created God?
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