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Drinking Alcohol is a Sin! Why is it not according to Layth/Edip's Translation?

Started by IsaMuslim, March 21, 2018, 08:41:30 PM

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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Rilum on March 22, 2018, 05:24:14 AM
In Khamr is great ithm, and ithm is  according to 7:33 haram, simple as that.

peace,

imprecise (use context) the word is not حرم harrama rather the harmful and cruel actions, etc.

7:33  والاثم wal-ithma/and the detriment والبغى and the cruelty بغىر in other than الحق the right

hawk99

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on March 23, 2018, 09:09:59 AM
peace,

imprecise (use context) the word is not حرم harrama rather the harmful and cruel actions, etc.

7:33  والاثم wal-ithma/and the detriment والبغى and the cruelty بغىر in other than الحق the right

Peace, all intoxicants should be avoided that is
all drugs, booze, etc., the tricky part is that those very same things have
medicinal benefits but recreationally they should be avoided.
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

The Sardar

Quote from: hawk99 on March 23, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
Peace Noon waalqalami, all intoxicants should be avoided that is
all drugs, booze, etc., the tricky part is that those very same things have
medicinal benefits but recreationally they should be avoided.

Those things you are speaking about brother Hawk99 is mostly modern day chemical substance which are 100% dangerous.

hawk99

Quote from: The Sardar on March 23, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
Those things you are speaking about brother Hawk99 is mostly modern day chemical substance which are 100% dangerous.

@ The Sardar, I agree with you by and large, but many have benefited
from them and many have been used as intoxicants!  Opioids is one example.


                                                :peace:
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

The Sardar

Quote from: hawk99 on March 23, 2018, 01:35:57 PM
@ The Sardar, I agree with you by and large, but many have benefited
from them
and many have been used as intoxicants!  Opioids is one example.


                                                :peace:
It depends on what benefit and what side effects as well.

hawk99

Quote from: The Sardar on March 23, 2018, 01:42:34 PM
It depends on what benefit and what side effects as well.

True,  alcohol was used as an anesthetic, marijuana is another intoxicant
that can have medicinal benefits.  Both should be avoided.


                                                             :peace:
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

The Sardar

Quote from: hawk99 on March 23, 2018, 02:35:23 PM
True,  alcohol was used as an anesthetic, marijuana is another intoxicant
that can have medicinal benefits.  Both should be avoided.


                                                             :peace:
If i am going to use cannabis as medicine then i am going use it as a MEDICINE. Never as a smoking cigar, that's a intoxicant.

A Submitter

Salam,

Alcohol and gambling are not sinful, but in them is much sin.

Here's an example - huge difference between these:
-Y is sinful
-In X is sin


2:219 They ask you about alcohol and gambling. Say: ?In them is much
sin, and a benefit for the people; but their sin is greater than their
benefit.?  And  they  ask  you  how  much  they  are  to  give,  say:  ?The 
excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you
may think.

Rilum

I meant the ithm purpose of khamr not if you use it for medicine or something beneficial

Rilum