Has code 19 ever given insight into Al Quran? If so, please post it here...

[Alen]

Yes, as like as what you did in 74:31. Can you point me a verse which we can find the exact number of the guardians? In short, how did you know that number of guardians is 19?

Is this just "a test for those who have rejected" like what mentioned in 74:31 exactly?

Peace.

Peace,
Resspect.

And who are those who have rejected is not as important as what did they reject.
I'm not rejecting anything or anyone.
Do you?

Peace.

[exodus]

And who are those who have rejected is not as important as what did they reject.
I'm not rejecting anything or anyone.
Do you?

It had seemed to me that you are trying to argue for "rejecting 19"..If it is not true, then sorry..

Peace.

[Alen]

It had seemed to me that you are trying to argue for "rejecting 19"..If it is not true, then sorry..

Peace.

Peace,
Respect.

I was just saying that 19 is what it is - a number. It's just another number and similar thing happened to me last year when I literally saw and heard number three everywhere. On people's shirts, on cars, streets, everywhere, I realized that I didn't see number three everywhere, I was in fact looking, searching for it. Then I stopped.

Peace.

[Ayisha]

Can you point me a verse which we can find the exact number of the guardians?
In short, how did you know that number of guardians is 19?

Peace.

coz it says so in Quran 74.30-31 

[Wakas]

No way, could your translators able to explain who was that "a witness from Children of Israel"? If it was The Qur'an itself what witnessed on here, isn't it strange that why there is only one witness here?

It seems to refer to a messenger/prophet from children of israel, e.g. Moses. Also, it is past tense, perfect verbs etc so your explanation does not fit. See M. Asad's notes, explains it quite well.

[exodus]

coz it says so in Quran 74.30-31  

Actually, familiar people understood what I intend to be understood.

74:30 Over it is nineteen

Here is just a single number, not a crowd of something.

[exodus]

It seems to refer to a messenger/prophet from children of israel, e.g. Moses. Also, it is past tense, perfect verbs etc so your explanation does not fit. See M. Asad's notes, explains it quite well.

Are you sure that, witness of Moses can fit here? Who talking with us in 46:10, gives us an argument of someone's witness. Can Moses's witness be argument for us? How do we check this? But we can check witness of Rabi Juda's experiment with 19 in the 12th century.

Peace.

[Ayisha]

Actually, familiar people understood what I intend to be understood.

74:30 Over it is nineteen

Here is just a single number, not a crowd of something.

i did say verses 30 and 31

74.31 And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth Allah intend by this?" Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind

So there is your 'crowd' of Guardian Angels guarding the fire of hell

[exodus]

i did say verses 30 and 31

74.31 And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth Allah intend by this?" Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind

So there is your 'crowd' of Guardian Angels guarding the fire of hell

Yes, i did see what you said and I know what you mean. But you didn't understand what i mean..I mean 74:31 is just mentioning about "their count".. and there is no any evidence for their count should be 19. We can't argue that guardians' count is 19 depending on 74:30.

Peace.

[Ayisha]

Yes, i did see what you said and I know what you mean. But you didn't understand what i mean..I mean 74:31 is just mentioning about "their count".. and there is no any evidence for their count should be 19. We can't argue that guardians' count is 19 depending on 74:30.

Peace.

74.31 is mentioning the count (number) that is referred to in the previous verse of which the number (count) is 19. Pretty obvious to me, surprised you cant see that 

One would be stupid to argue the count of the guardians is 19 from just using verse 30 and not reading further. All verse 30 says is 'over it are 19' and an intelligent person would read on and see that 19 are the number of the guardians over the fire, which would then assure you that the 'it' in verse 30 is hell and the 19 are the guardians of it.

can you take any book and read one sentence and get the whole meaning of the book? I think not.