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The less involved the government, the more involved the people. We don't need a government to force people into saving lives, we each naturally help others on our own. We distrust our fellow human beings, so we turn to the government to enforce rules. There is no need for a government that intervenes in everyone's business. Without government people would naturally help others. Do you need a government to force you to save a life? Or would you do it on your own?

Quranic Divinity / Re: Virgin Birth of Isa
« on: January 06, 2008, 10:45:45 PM »
What do YOU know to be true? A great little question I found in the book Spiritual Enlightenment the Damndest thing (by Jed Mckenna). Make sure you question the assumptions that are taken for granted in that question. I'm still working on it myself.

Do you think something is wrong with the world?

From the Tao te Ching:

Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness.
All can know good as good only because there is evil.

Therefore having and not having arise together.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short contrast each other:
High and low rest upon each other;
Voice and sound harmonize each other;
Front and back follow one another.

There's also a chinese story that I'd like to share.

"There is a Chinese story of a farmer who used an old horse to till his fields. One day, the horse escaped into the hills and when the farmer's neighbors sympathized with the old man over his bad luck, the farmer replied, "Bad luck? Good luck? Who knows?" A week later, the horse returned with a herd of horses from the hills and this time the neighbors congratulated the farmer on his good luck. His reply was, "Good luck? Bad luck? Who knows?"

Then, when the farmer's son was attempting to tame one of the wild horses, he fell off its back and broke his leg. Everyone thought this very bad luck. Not the farmer, whose only reaction was, "Bad luck? Good luck? Who knows?"

Some weeks later, the army marched into the village and conscripted every able-bodied youth they found there. When they saw the farmer's son with his broken leg, they let him off. Now was that good luck or bad luck?"

I believe I've read a similar parable in the Quran, but cannot find it.  Our ideals and expectations tell us if something is good or bad... Does a baby know that losing $20 000 is a bad thing? No, of course not. We all have thoughts on what should and shouldn't happen, what is good and what is bad. Yet, all these things are just that, thoughts. They are lenses through which we experience reality, and to mistake these lenses for reality is what causes problems.  Of course, understanding this, you may attempt to rid yourself of expectations and ideals. However, this too is also an ideal. It is the attempt to rid yourself of bad in a different form. Sometimes you just need to surrender :giveup:, and surrendering is not something you can try to do, it is something that happens. What is 'you'?

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.

As You Like It Act 2, scene 7, 139?143


lol OPF you are definitely right, I obviously didn't think my words through. In the present moment there is either pleasure or pain, not both at the same time (sometimes). What I'm trying to say is they are both poles of the same magnet so to speak. Just as a wave has a crest and a trough, pleasure is inseperable from pain. A mountain peak implies a bottom, and similarly, pleasure implies pain and vice versa.

You are right Dotty in saying that my words will not comfort a child who has been beaten. Words will do nothing, except point.
Anyway, I know nothing and just felt like typing these words, I cannot even tell you who 'I' am. I suggest we all endeavour before embarking on anything, to figure out who's doing the embarking. Who is thinking these thoughts? Who is experiencing anger and frustration, love and happiness?

Who is it that doesn't want to experience pain? Who is it that wants eternal pleasure?

I know none of what I say answers your questions, but in writing this, I'm attempting to answer some of my own. Sorry for the hijacking of your thread, or for the insensitivity in my posts.

Hey Dotty,
Who the heck wants only pleasure without pain? Is there such a thing? That's like saying you want to flatten out a roller coaster so you only go up but never down, how boring is that.  Whoever told us that pleasure without pain existed? Just my take on things.

General Issues / Questions / Re: Is God SEriouss?
« on: September 13, 2007, 09:12:52 PM »
LOL, nevermind, this site is filled with laughter. I just spotted the humour thread  ;D

General Issues / Questions / Re: Is God SEriouss?
« on: September 13, 2007, 09:09:54 PM »
Peace All
Hey OPF,
I shouldn't have written "all the time", I didn't mean it in that sense. Time boundaries don't apply to God, as God is eternal. But what I meant to convey was, a lot of Christians seem to have the Idea that God is some serious ruler, who doesn't permit laughter in church. I know you're probably thinking that God is outside human boundaries, and therefore, we cannot apply our behavior to an all powerful God. But remember, God created humour and laughter (which is one of the joyous experiences that we have). Also, looking at the way that heaven is portrayed in Christian paintings, we find very solemn looking angels surrounding the Lord's throne (very boring in my opinion).

When we read the Quran how come we never find laughter? Imagine people laughing during the Hajj, or joking around with one another in the mosque. Remember those times when you'd share a joke with a friend during a serious class;  the teacher was at the blackboard teaching a lesson, you'd both try to contain that jubilant laughter. You'd look over at your friend who's face was turning red, and who was desperately trying to contain that laughter (because you'd get in trouble), and you'd feel it building up inside of  you as well, until finally you'd both erupt laughing. When you think of that time, don't you feel extremely happy? Can you read the Quran and laugh? In fact, I think I recall a verse in the Quran that compares the laughter of disbelievers to the obnoxious noise that a donkey makes. If someone could post it, I'd be grateful.

Now, I know a lot of us don't go to church, or the mosque, or anything like that. But why do we always view having fun and laughing as something to be frowned upon when it comes to religion or religious matters. There is no way to be angry at someone when you're in a fit of laughter. Laughter breaks down barriers between religions, and is a tool that can be used to bring about changes (and isn't that what any way of life aims at). Why do we take life as being such a serious thing, when we have so many examples of how funny it actually is... I suppose what I'm trying to say is that, we should extend humour to every region of our lives, until we are filled with happiness.

General Issues / Questions / Is God SEriouss?
« on: September 13, 2007, 12:59:17 PM »
Who here believes God is serious all the time? Just interested in what sort of image people have of God in their minds... and don't tell me you dont envision God at all, because I know you're imagining God right now.

Off-Topic / Re: The Short Clips Thread
« on: September 11, 2007, 08:35:29 PM »

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