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CIA, MI16 and Mossad boys party in Iraq. But among them, Mossad is partying much harder
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Before heading for the night  out in town, Isis boys take a moment to pray...umm I thought in Middle East a compass is less than a $1.
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Mccain lives in Arizona. Boy! He must be missing the smell of desert when touring  :-[ I bet he got his buddies Arizona tea calling it sovenor. Yeah, don't expect him to be honest! His buddies wont know its from New York because of the can label. 
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QuoteSons of Isis looking for a good pub. Wonder why they are hiding their faces while going in straight line. Hijabis maybe?
All new toyota trucks are brought to you buy Japan tourism with tagline Feel the Glow of Radiation! I wonder whether Honda will also enter Iraq to compete against its fierce rival

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Eilot with pals!  :peace: His papa must be a fan of George Eliot
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Meaning: Land of the free, home of the world's largest prison, aka United States of Sheeples
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Mission: Bring down gas price from $3 to $1!

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The guy either has expensive taste or got it as a  Hanukkah gift from EU
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Such a stupid plot. CIA can just drop templates of all the antiHadith Quran verses from two three planes in Iraq and voila! All Sunnis and Shias will leave the land just like our Israfeel does on this forum :! Its highly cost efficient. They will empty half of middle east if thats what they are aiming for.
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Childish propaganda. Putting problems on somebodies door step will not solve anything. Muslims should stop acting like ostrich and realize they have a problem in their midst. Sooner the better, otherwise the fire of hatred will consume everyone.

Quote from: Shogunsami on December 03, 2014, 08:44:53 AM
Childish propaganda. Putting problems on somebodies door step will not solve anything. Muslims should stop acting like ostrich and realize they have a problem in their midst. Sooner the better, otherwise the fire of hatred will consume everyone.

What?

I suppose they are so idiotic this Muslims that with Israel znd Isis and invaded and reinvaded, they have not yet realised that they have a problem.

Thank God there is somebody here in this forum that will let them know.

Salaam

Well the Islamic State is not really controlled by Mossasd or the CIA or whatever. The thing people must understand about the Islamic State is that nobody can controll it - It's a savage group that burns anything it gets. The problem is that the Islamic State is like a fire that is being fuelled by the West including of terrorist organisations like Mossad or the CIA. The West does not controll the Islamic State but they do fund it indirectly(Or rather directly, given the amount of how many times the Europeans enjoy playing innocent). Europe is ranked as one of the biggest funder of Al-Qaida(mostly through hostage negotiations). Not only that but Western-Europe has supported the Free Syrian army and prior to Al-Nusra turning against the Free Syrian army, Al-Nusra was getting a lot of funds and arms from the West through the FSA. Later on these Al-Nusra militants defect to the Islamic State carrying their weapons and funds with them like they did in Deir Ez Zor. Not to mention, Turkey(A NATO-country and soon to become part of the EU) is not taking care of its borders and is infact sending in these savages just to wipe out Kurdish villages while allowing these Islamist filths to spread their terrorism/theocracy.


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There is already reports of Islamic State members attacking the Kurds from the Turkish borders while Turkish soldiers are not present. No coincidence, right?


Many of these European 'muslim' filth that were destroyed by the brave Iraqi army are always found with British passports, why am I not suprised? Most European/Western nations are taking ZERO responsibility in arresting these Islamist infact they want them to leave making the European nations equally as responsible as these Islamists. And people please stop blaming the Sunnis - The Sunnis are already paying a big price living under these savages and atleast they are fighting them. Although I'm not religious, I pray for every Iraqi and Syrian (whether they be Sunni, Qur'anist, Satanist, Christian, Yazidi, Druze, atheist or whatever) that are resisting Islamic State terror. May they remove the Islamic State AKA Daesh or Dawla Al-European al-Klaab.

The European 'muslims' are a disgrace I swear. Please don't view this conflict as a Sunni vs Shia or whatever - If there exists sectarians then it's the European Muslims whether they be Qur'anists, Sunnis, Atheists or whatever. The European Muslims enjoy supporting religious states/irhabi groups in the Middle-east big time and then after they visit a Middle-eastern country were they supported their 'democracy' in they begin to complain - Of course they never say anything about Saudi-Arabia, Bahrain(Where their friends are shooting at the protestors), Qatar or the UAE no infact they are good at pointing fingers at secular countries such as Lebanon, Syria or Iraq and then they begin to bring up how terrible economy these countries have well what about Saudi-Arabia? It's obvious that if Saudi-Arabia never had oil then it would be a lot more worser than Afghanistan or Pakistan - For God sake, atleast 90% of Saudi-Arabias income is from oil which will run out one day. I swear if anything happens to our Christian minority in our countries then I hope every European(Whether fake ass 'Muslim', Christian or Jew)/Islamist savage will pay for it. The fact that the European countries are not even TRYING to arrest these Islamists makes the European countries equally as responsible. Qatar, Saudi-Arabia, France, Britain, Denmark, etc. are all terrorist nations and history will always acknowledge this no matter what.


I know that the Saudi regime will fall sooner or later. I just hope that Abdullah is alive to see his regime fall. Unlike Abdullah the pro-European, pro-Israeli scumbag, the Europeans will get away with their crimes like they usually do. Abdullah, Emir of Qatar and the regime of Bahrain will fall.. Yet what about the Europeans? They are responsible too. The Arab world needs a nationalist leader. Many EUropean 'Muslims' would oppose it and they should IMO because if the Arab world ever has a secular Arab nationalist as a leader the European 'Muslims' would be thrown into jail for supporting terrorist groups/Israel and the European nations would cry for America to help it like it does everytime. Especially now when the European nations are too pathetic to face Russia.



One Western is either an Islamist or the other one is a right-wing extremist. Throw both into the trash bin. The Westerners do not really deserve democracy - Just like Jesus once said never throw pearls at swines. Cowardly right-wing European groups. A good example of a cowardly European is Breveik that hides in jail because the truth is that if he were ever to leave jail he'd end up seeing a black car giving him a drive-by.


Why are Europeans such cowards? Why do they always get away with their crimes? Many of the Serbs who massacred Bosnian Muslims are not in jail today, they are probaly in Western-Europe enjoying their special privileges and the same thing could be said about the European Islamists especially the British 'muslims'.



Many months ago, the European 'muslims' who joined ISIS were not given jail after they came back to Europe no instead what happened was that they got their citizenship revoked and after some years they would get it again.


The Islamic State is like a grenade that is being thrown at Iraq and Syria by the Westerners and the Gulf-countries.

Quote from: huruf on December 03, 2014, 09:16:01 AM

What?

I suppose they are so idiotic this Muslims that with Israel znd Isis and invaded and reinvaded, they have not yet realised that they have a problem.

Thank God there is somebody here in this forum that will let them know.

Salaam

Yup. The 'muslims' who support Israel are the same 'muslims' that supports Irhabi groups(especially the Islamic State) in Syria and Iraq. Mind you that many of these are European Muslims that live in Europe and think that Europe is some kind of a good example of Islam. Maybe they should read their own stupid history and reconsider there decision on what really represents Islam. One thing for sure is that it's mot Europe. Many European 'muslims' want a religious homeland in the Middle-east but they'd oppose if if it were ever to take place in Europe.


The European 'muslims' who support the Islamic State should come to Iraq and tell the Iraqi Christians what they really think. I think the Iraqi Christians(Who are native to Iraq compared to these European 'muslim' scumbags) will tell the Europeans to go back to Europe. Poland, Denmark, Britain or whichever country they come from. Many of the European 'muslims' are South-Asians holding European citizenship so I don't think it's fair to blame the Europeans only.



I'm 110% anti-Jewish homeland(NOT Anti-semite though - I'm semite myself) and 110% anti-ISIS/anti-Islamic homeland. 'Jew' is no ethnicity or even a nationality- It's equally as terrible as the Islamic State. The only difference is? Israel has managed to sugarcoat its state and history by acting 'democratic' while trying to fool the Westerners that it's a 'democratic' nation and that it always tries to reduce 'causilities' although it doesn't. If you criticize Israel, you'll be called an anti-semite. What a joke Israel and its fanboys are!


For anybody who thinks that God is protecting Israel then think again. Israel is like a cow on steroids - And what I mean by that is that Israel is being pumped into with a lot of money from either Europe or the US. The US provides Israel $3 billions of dollars a year meanwhile Germany has given 25 billion euro to Israel as 'reparation' for the stuff that happened during WW2. Also Israel gets a lot of private donations especially from rich European Jews like the Rothschild. The truth is that if it was not for all the funds being pumped into Israel then Israel would fall a long time ago. Money is keeping Israel alive, and not God/Allah. Allah is not even a Zionist, just read the Qur'an. Any Muslim who says that Allah is a Zionist should srsly leave Islam and learn the difference between 'Israelites', 'Jews' and 'Israelies' and then start over again in Islam.

You can blame whoever you want from Israel to global conspiracy against islam. But nobody speaks about the elephant in the room. The real issue is the takfiri ideology spread by salafi and Wahhabi sponsors. The common link between al quaida to Isis is their ideology. I have always seen muslims blaming everyone else but themselves for their problems. It's not Israel who is doing the killing. It's so called defenders of islam themselves responsible for all the deaths and savagery. Isis is killing muslims . Isis is started by muslims. Isis is funded by muslims. Deal with it.

QuoteYou can blame whoever you want from Israel to global conspiracy against islam. But nobody speaks about the elephant in the room. The real issue is the takfiri ideology spread by salafi and Wahhabi sponsors. The common link between al quaida to Isis is their ideology. I have always seen muslims blaming everyone else but themselves for their problems. It's not Israel who is doing the killing. It's so called defenders of islam themselves responsible for all the deaths and savagery. Isis is killing muslims . Isis is started by muslims. Isis is funded by muslims. Deal with it.

-Sigh- Since you mentioned that the Islamic State was created by Muslims then you'd also agree that the one ones who are fighting the Islamic State are mostly Muslims too? The elephant is the Westerners/Gulf who throw funds at the Islamic State allowing it to explode like a TNT bomb.


'Takfiri ideology' is a good tool for the Westerners to use. Afterall the real devil is in Saudi-Arabia being protected by his Western friends while spending $3 billion of dollars on Wahabbism(A radical religious ideology that is considered 'moderate' by dumb Westerners). And BTW the Islamic State is NOT defenders of Islam as you say. The Arabs refers the Islamic State as 'Daesh' rather than Dawla Al-Islamiya because the IS has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. So stop calling them the defendors of Islam as it's a disgrace to all the Muslims who were killed by the IS - If anything they are an enemy to Islam. They blow up mosques - Especially now where you get to see how they shelled Kurdish mosques while several Qur'ans were destroyed by the Islamic State as they shelled Kobane. So how can you call these people 'defendors of Islam'? Is it because they shout God is great everyday? Is it because they try to act like Muslims? Nice try. I think the last thing the Muslims who are fighting the Islamic State would like to hear is the fact that they are 'Muslims'. It's obvious to me that the Islamic State is only using Islam to its own advantage - Claiming to represent Islam and then doing the opposite by destroying churches/mosques/heritage sites while killing people including Muslims.



And you're right that it's time to stop blaming others and do something about it. The question is how to stop the Islamic State and the answer is to mark the European countries as terrorist countries. And to push the European countries into arresting the Islamists especially before they leave. And for Syria and Iraq they have to take over their borders and set up a blockade to Turkey to prevent further terrorists from entering the borders - The US recently 'accidently' airdropped weapons to the Islamic State and claimed that it was intended for the Kurds.



Now the other question is how we can prevent an Islamic State in the future - It's to annilihate the European countries and to remove the Saudi regime. It's already sad that $3 billions of dollars is spent on Wahabbism - If it only could have gone to science or education rather than to religious junk. Throw the Europeans and the religious into the trash bin. That's where they belong. If NATO/Saudi regime does not get the same faith as the Nazis did then NATO/Saudi regime will only get away with its crimes and fuel groups similiar to the Islamic State in the future while trying to sugarcoat them with the name 'freedom fighter'.

I don't know if I can put this more simply. If Isis calls themselves Muslim then they are muslims by their standard. Is there some sort of certifying authority which decides on who a Muslim is? The fact is those who kill innocents by blowing up airplane or random shooting in bustling cities or by beheading they are doing this in the name of islam. They have an ideology they follow. Until and unless muslims start addressing this issue such savagery will continue. No amount of paranoia screaming west is the problem will not solve it. Even without the interference of the west these people will find new enemies and new excuses to continue their subjugation. It's time people realize nobody should force anything on anyone and follow the principles of civility and decency.

Quote from: Shogunsami on December 03, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
I don't know if I can put this more simply. If Isis calls themselves Muslim then they are muslims by their standard. Is there some sort of certifying authority which decides on who a Muslim is? The fact is those who kill innocents by blowing up airplane or random shooting in bustling cities or by beheading they are doing this in the name of islam. They have an ideology they follow. Until and unless muslims start addressing this issue such savagery will continue. No amount of paranoia screaming west is the problem will not solve it. Even without the interference of the west these people will find new enemies and new excuses to continue their subjugation. It's time people realize nobody should force anything on anyone and follow the principles of civility and decency.

And of course everybody here are idiots and believe in childish propaganda whereas you DO KNOW EVERYTHING, you are so knowledgeable all over and so clever and are a through knower of everything "muslim".

I very much doubt any muslim needs your help. I think you should help youself to be more humble and wait to speak till you do know something apart from your "adult" mainstream doctrinating.

And just out of curiosity ?what is so very muslim about Israel?

Salaam 

Quote from: Shogunsami on December 03, 2014, 08:44:53 AM
Childish propaganda. Putting problems on somebodies door step will not solve anything. Muslims should stop acting like ostrich and realize they have a problem in their midst. Sooner the better, otherwise the fire of hatred will consume everyone.

Not sure how the average Muslim will fight against their rich and powerful salafi.wahabbi.muslim brotherhood governments in the middle east. All three groups have connection to UK. When the Brits were leaving Middle East they allowed their minions to take care of the oil tanks. Check illuminati groups on Facebook. You will find plenty of Arab government officials in them. And here is the Saudi police uniform:
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In these bloody elites' eyes, wars are needed for profit. Bankers like Rothschilds and Muslim brotherhoods give loans to countries to fight their wars. Money is then used to buy weapons and fighter planes from companies like General Dynamics and Lockheed Martin. Btw, General Dynamics has plenty of heads from CIA.

Profile of Phebe Novakovic, the Chairman and CEO of General Dynamics
Phebe Novakovic graduated from Smith College in Northampton, Massachusetts and received an M.B.A. from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1988. She worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. From 1997 to 2001, she worked for the United States Department of Defense. She joined General Dynamics in 2001. She became President and Chief Operation Officer in 2012.[3] She has served as the Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of General Dynamics since January 2013.  As of 2014, she is listed as the 65th most powerful woman in the world by Forbes.
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Truth: Neither the Americans nor the people of Middle East have friends in the governments. The elite groups will keep lying and making people fight against one another. I knew something was coming when Jewish BBC and Fox News began spreading the rumor that Muslims are out to force everyone to convert to Islam or kill. They are now presenting ISIS like that.

I wont blame the average Arab. He is brainwashed to believe the west is out to kill him. He sees patsy Palestine (yes, it is used as a promo by both sides) and gets angrier. Same goes for the Americans and Europeans. They are brainwashed to believe Muslims are dangerous. Just count the number of times, an article says "Muslim" terrorist and militant. Then go to an article of Arabian news site and count the number of times it says "the west" wants this and that. Those who think mainstream news media has no agenda are the ones who end up supporting the wars.

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Huruf,  do you have a problem understanding English? Maybe your excellency can correct me with your 'correct' understanding about the facts on the ground. I will be grateful if your humble self can explain to the un initiated the wisdom of whatever you were trying to imply !

 :sun: What is wrong with "Islam" as a religion? It seems like the teachings in the quran is about killing the unbelievers. You know my thoughts which is from the Bible is that in the ancient days God was the one giving his people a go ahead to war and by war I mean war not terrorism, where it was declared as war and the enemy was aware and prepared for war and went to the battle. If God wanted them to destroy he would say so and if he wanted them to be spared He would say so.

But this quran teaches people to kill and I agree that muslim should recognize that they have a problem. Stop the propaganda. All these terrorist groups, are not sponsored by the west, they are islamic groups trying to advance their religion in reference to the quran or their teachings. Meaning they are simply trying to implement the true teaching of quran and anyway Islam was spread through killing.

I believe when you kill someone for your belief, it is not from God but your our doing because if it was from God you would like God deal with it. That is the true God. But the other god influences you to kill because he does not want you to expose him of something.

The quran encourages whosoever reads it to refer to the Bible if they dont understand the quran. And also we know that Jesus in the Bible and somewhere in the quran he performed wonders that were from God and the islamic prophet honestly did not perform any miracles or rather proof that he was teaching anything that God revealed, i mean the true God.

I think there is  a home work for all muslims, if you want peace, maybe Jesus Christ is the answer as the quran says that you must also refer to the Bible for clarity and there you will get the truth.

Salam

QuoteWhat is wrong with "Islam" as a religion? It seems like the teachings in the quran is about killing the unbelievers. You know my thoughts which is from the Bible is that in the ancient days God was the one giving his people a go ahead to war and by war I mean war not terrorism, where it was declared as war and the enemy was aware and prepared for war and went to the battle. If God wanted them to destroy he would say so and if he wanted them to be spared He would say so.

Really? :D
Although I am sectless let me tell you that there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If Quran was all about killing you would have not been present on this forum. You would have been dead by now because Muslims are not just arabs and some south asians. Anyone can be Muslim and some probably are on your street. And before you speak of Islam do take a look at what your religious "scholars" did in the past. They killed so many people that not even Mossad faking as ISIS will be able to break the record. Do note that there was a time when Pope made it a law to kill anyone who had a view on God that did not match what the church was presenting.

QuoteBut this quran teaches people to kill and I agree that muslim should recognize that they have a problem. Stop the propaganda. All these terrorist groups, are not sponsored by the west, they are islamic groups trying to advance their religion in reference to the quran or their teachings. Meaning they are simply trying to implement the true teaching of quran and anyway Islam was spread through killing.

Not sure where you are from, but it does look like you are very much under the spell of propaganda. I bet neither Iraq nor Syria goes through anything we see here in American metro cities. Try taking a walk in Stockton or Oakland of CA in the evening. You will probably not stay alive too long.  There was one time when in one month Oakland had 30 murders. Visit its general hospital. Its Miami Vice in real world. It feels as if a war is going on there. Not a single day there goes without a patient who has bullet in his body.

Isn't it funny how we don't give a damn about people being killed in our metro cities, but go all too angry about what is going on in Middle East?
And how do you explain gang wars and beheadings that take place in Mexico city? Mexicans say they are the only true Christians living in North America. I may have bad taste towards Saudi and their pals, but without being biased I would have to say Saudi is far more peaceful and developed than Mexico despite the fact that both countries have oil.

I am studying MPA and in my classes, it is an open secret that people get manipulated from both sides to support wars and that we are slowly losing free speech rights, thanks to corporate America.
Dont believe it? Well, here is a simple quote from 1 of the 15 books I had to read this year:

To declare that elites manipulate symbols does not require postmodern
critique; but the interaction between modernist symbol manipulations
and postmodern simulated politics is worth investigating.book: Postmodern Public Admin by Miller


With corporate entities snatching free speech rights, it should be no surprise
that Bunnatine H. Greenhouse, a Senior Executive Service contracting
official with the U.S. Army, was demoted for criticizing a large,
noncompetitive contract with the Halliburton Corporation and its subsidiary
Kellogg Brown & Root. She opposed granting of a waiver of the
usual competitive bidding process (Eckholm 2005a). She called the contract
?the most blatant and improper contract abuse I have witnessed
during the course of my professional career? (A9). book: Postmodern Public Admin by Miller

Our professors keep nothing hidden from us. What sheeple thinks is mere a conspiracy theory is shown to us as truth in our classes.  One course was fully dedicated to that actually. So while you sleep we are being educated to stay awake. That said, its not difficult to understand what a propaganda looks like if you take just one lower division critical thinking class. Over there they train people to read between the lines and catch fallacies found in news reports.

QuoteI believe when you kill someone for your belief, it is not from God but your our doing because if it was from God you would like God deal with it. That is the true God. But the other god influences you to kill because he does not want you to expose him of something.

I do agree with it, but we can't stop Mossad from spreading the propaganda apparently because they need to do it for the elite and their own country.

QuoteThe quran encourages whosoever reads it to refer to the Bible if they dont understand the quran. 

Yes it does tell to refer to Bible, but not Paul's who is simply another one like Mr Abu Huraira. Isn't it funny how Paul died a jew? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernard-starr/apostle-paul-lived-and-died-as-a-dedicated-jew_b_3376350.html

QuoteAnd also we know that Jesus in the Bible and somewhere in the quran he performed wonders that were from God and the islamic prophet honestly did not perform any miracles or rather proof that he was teaching anything that God revealed, i mean the true God.

It looks like miracle because back then science wasn't advanced. If he was doing it here today some scientist would have explained it logically. Super human power still exists. And no matter how much some people talk about "sword" verse of Quran, the ultimate truth is that sword is mentioned explicitly in the Bible.

34"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;?

Don't you think now people should call Christianity the most violent religion of all time?  See the above verse and then read what is given below:

History of massacre and violence carried out by Christians
As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]
Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents?save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
(In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]
Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183]
Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]
1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43]

List is overly long. so go here to have a full view of it http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

34"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;?

Don't you think now people should call Christianity the most violent religion of all time?  See the above verse and then read what is given below:

:sun:  The above verse has nothing to do with Christianity, this is the reason you will not see born again Christians killing each other or sending people to kill people in any part of the world.

Refering to Roman Catholic must also be made with referance to the Bible. I will not defend the Roman Catholic as I am not a member and yes they did some good and bad but the Bible talks clear about them and their works. How do we know? Well, Jesus said we must watch and pray. All that He said is coming to pass and we are watching. 

The propaganda that you are quoting is up to you to believe. But all that I see, is the Bible and the world today, all things that Jesus Christ, the One Paul and the other apostles preached about is all coming to pass. But I find no future prophecies in the quran that I can refer to.

All I was saying is that you must really be careful on what Islam is doing. You say, I could have been dead if all Muslims were up to killing. I dont think credit goes to Islamic teaching but to God. In the Middle East people are being killed for being Christians because Arabs believes its their world. So, I thank God that He is in control and there will never be a time that will happen as God promised in the Bible. But should death come just because we are Christians so let it be, we are more than prepared to move to the next level as we forever live in Christ Jesus as the Bible and yes Apostle Paul preached as one of the apostles for we know through the Holy Spirit that He overcame death and lives forever and we that believe are in Him and shall live with Him in the life after this present age.

It is good to study, but also be not too wise to see the truth. You, know its easy to program people with philosophies. We all know that America is the Harlot of the world but i am afraid Islam is slowly becoming a terror religion. I wish people like you who are not affected that far to be expremist must find a way to expose this "propaganda" you are talking about in all platforms, whether CNN or AJE.

It is not good enough to say it is the west agencies or Israel when it is just in the forum. Let it out to the general public so that the truth may be exposed. Otherwise, I see all terrorist as advancing the Islamic faith, even in Nigeria. Why are the Muslim not coming out to expose the truth about these terror organizations?

You see, a propaganda is your denial of apostle Paul. This man defended himself in the Bible and there was clearly no cooking of scriptures as the line of thought was clearly his. In the verses where he defends his calling by Jesus Christ as an apostle to you and me as gentile world at the time. As a Christian, I am convinced that the evil one, god of this present age, the only Lucifer is blinding people by saying the "propaganda" about Paul and giving support stories to shift you away from Paul's own defence and ministry.

There is no propaganda my brother. Luke Somers (American/ Brits) and Pierre Korkie (my country man) were, killed this week, what is propaganda there?

I will tell you the truth as it is, you may not believe it now but will not forget it and one day you will see. The terrorist are fakes of the antiChrist and the Islam is made to drive a mission of bringing the antiChrist and when he come none of them will have a pie of it, at that time he will introduce his own religious attributes. The Roman Catholic with him in later stages. Forget about the war between Israel and Palestine it's only God that knows when it will end but that will be after the antiChrist. Forget about the stupid people subscribing as illuminaties, the antiChrist is not gonna take it from them.

So, I say I am safe here because of Jesus Christ. And there is no propaganda with the situation in the Middle East. The church killings are not from Born again churches (but i would not deny any that you might know and made me aware). Islam to a Christian, came from the evil one as Paul preaches that the evil one also comes or masquerades as angel of the light. The reason is to counter fake as Jesus said, false prophets will come after him and many will follow them. It was not only Islam there are more. How do we know? Well, the idea on the evil one is to divert the mind from the gospel of redemption of all man through His blood and this is a straight forward teaching that came from old testament.

But, I am just saying this, I dont mean to offend anyone or cause arguement. I just know what Jesus said in the gospels and what came after He left the world.

QuoteThe above verse has nothing to do with Christianity, this is the reason you will not see born again Christians killing each other or sending people to kill people in any part of the world.

So you dont abide by Bible? Then you arent a christian. The verse comes from Matthew 10:34. By the way, you seem highly ignorant about your religion. Bush said he went to war because his God told him to.

QuoteThe propaganda that you are quoting is up to you to believe. But all that I see, is the Bible and the world today, all things that Jesus Christ, the One Paul and the other apostles preached about is all coming to pass. But I find no future prophecies in the quran that I can refer to.

You sound like Israfeel. As I said earlier to him the prophecies are just the result of strategic planning. Your Paul and Israfeel's bukhari have the same prophecies. Perhaps, they came from the same group????

QuoteAll I was saying is that you must really be careful on what Islam is doing. You say, I could have been dead if all Muslims were up to killing. I dont think credit goes to Islamic teaching but to God. In the Middle East people are being killed for being Christians because Arabs believes its their world.

Yawning! I wonder why then there are so many British schools in Middle East with teachers coming from Christian background. I went to a school called St Peters there. And then of course, there are St Mary's, Cambridge, Oxford, etc. And by the way, Muslim isnt a  race. You truly need to travel around more. Its embarrassing to read what you wrote. And by the way, you are sounding very much like a traitor to your country because you elude the fact that christians kill christians also.

QuoteSo, I thank God that He is in control and there will never be a time that will happen as God promised in the Bible. But should death come just because we are Christians so let it be, we are more than prepared to move to the next level as we forever live in Christ Jesus as the Bible and yes Apostle Paul preached as one of the apostles for we know through the Holy Spirit that He overcame death and lives forever and we that believe are in Him and shall live with Him in the life after this present age.

What does it have to do with this discussion?  :o

QuoteIt is good to study, but also be not too wise to see the truth. You, know its easy to program people with philosophies. We all know that America is the Harlot of the world but i am afraid Islam is slowly becoming a terror religion. I wish people like you who are not affected that far to be expremist must find a way to expose this "propaganda" you are talking about in all platforms, whether CNN or AJE.

Don't worry. The misconception that Islam is a terror religion isnt going to go too far. It will be limited to television. Elite's main aim is to ban christianity. Start worrying.

QuoteIt is not good enough to say it is the west agencies or Israel when it is just in the forum. Let it out to the general public so that the truth may be exposed.

Umm, educated people know ISIS thing is mere a tool of CIA and Mossad. http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-morris/video-how-offensive-students-berkeley-isis-flag-israeli-flag

QuoteOtherwise, I see all terrorist as advancing the Islamic faith, even in Nigeria. Why are the Muslim not coming out to expose the truth about these terror organizations?

Nigeria has both Muslims and Christians. Both have problem with each other. Your Christian Nigerians arent exactly that peaceful either.

Tens of thousands of Muslims are fleeing to neighboring countries by plane and truck as Christian militias stage brutal attacks, shattering the social fabric of this war-ravaged nation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html

QuoteYou see, a propaganda is your denial of apostle Paul. This man defended himself in the Bible and there was clearly no cooking of scriptures as the line of thought was clearly his. In the verses where he defends his calling by Jesus Christ as an apostle to you and me as gentile world at the time. As a Christian, I am convinced that the evil one, god of this present age, the only Lucifer is blinding people by saying the "propaganda" about Paul and giving support stories to shift you away from Paul's own defence and ministry.

Its amazing how far people like you defend bible and hadith books. To me, Paul and Bukhari are same. I aint gonna fall for hearsays. But there is too much similarity between your type and hadith followers.

QuoteI will tell you the truth as it is, you may not believe it now but will not forget it and one day you will see. The terrorist are fakes of the antiChrist and the Islam is made to drive a mission of bringing the antiChrist and when he come none of them will have a pie of it, at that time he will introduce his own religious attributes.

I dont believe in antichrist. However, give me proof that Muslims are working to bring him. Nice that you dont know much about freemasons.

QuoteSo, I say I am safe here because of Jesus Christ. And there is no propaganda with the situation in the Middle East. The church killings are not from Born again churches (but i would not deny any that you might know and made me aware). Islam to a Christian, came from the evil one as Paul preaches that the evil one also comes or masquerades as angel of the light. The reason is to counter fake as Jesus said, false prophets will come after him and many will follow them. It was not only Islam there are more. How do we know? Well, the idea on the evil one is to divert the mind from the gospel of redemption of all man through His blood and this is a straight forward teaching that came from old testament.

No use telling me about antichrist. As I said earlier, I dont believe in it. Its mere a tool of satan to divide people. And yes, we dont exactly deny the second coming of Jesus. However, our view about it is different from what you christians and hadith followers believe in.

And it does look like you have great fear and hatred towards Islam. Yet you are spending time on an Islamic forum. It is recommended that you see a psychologist as soon as possible. If you are simply a shill happy money making. I cant promise that you wont be tracked back to your mothership. But if you are here to convert people sorry to say its the wrong place for it. We dont give a damn to hadith followers. What makes you think we would listen to your subjective factually incorrect sermon?

Hei, @Reel, peace brother. I am just open minded and normally, if there are things that I agree, I will say. I do travel in fact I am hardly home. I read and I look at the news and I spend time.

You may be disappointed reading what I write but maybe its because you are too wise.

I am not affraid of anyone or any religion nor here to try and win you over but as a Christian expressing my views and what I know and a line of thought that I know. He in South Africa as you know we had been under apartheid. We heard a lot of propaganda stories and but what was the truth, no one knows. So, some of us dont believe in propaganda but we believe what we see and what is writen.

It is my view that ISIS member are in their heads trying to establish this Islamic state were no other religion exist were heard them talk. You as Muslim with another version "the propaganda" should confront the west with none violence but a clear word.

As a Christian, I admit that there are also people that do wrong, I myself am not perfect and we do admit but honestly to say that ISIS is a CIA thing, my brother its like you are turning a blind eye and would mislead us.

In Christianity we believe it is God who convicts people and I know that when you walk in or search the truth you will find. I simply dont agree with you vote of propaganda. Everyone must hear me clear. Whether is Islam or Christianity, I think we have our differences and ofcourse one day the truth will come out. I am not afraid to say in my view the Bible is from God and Quran is not. But I dont want to offend any one so I say, anyone can say what they like about Jesus that I believe iin as a Saviour of my soul or Paul or the Bible, it does not touch me as I believe it is between you and God. But the point on this is because as an African who grow-up listening to many stories and ancestrous worship. I found Jesus to bring peace and clarity to my life many years ago. In the same line, I know that ISIS members are just expremist Muslims pursuing what they dont know the end of it. As I wonder if in-deed they establish the state, what then?

In the spirit of Allah/Eloyim

Stop fighting about spiritual matters please. Jesus taught very good things and although he is not more son of God than anyone else assimilated in the realm of God, the information Christians have about how to be is much better than mainstream Islam who lack a proper interpretation of their scripture.

If a person justify warfare based on what the Messiah said then they are following not what he taught. And the Messiah preached basically what is in the Gospel testimonies and the 'Commandments' (al-masjed al-haram) which are:

1. Serve only Allah/Eloyim (is which is) good foundation
2. Do not attribute "God" to any image of anything in Heaven or Earth.
3. No vain talk/do not conjecture
4. Keep a Sabbath (rest) from work every cycle and do something not for profit
5. Love thy neighbor as yourself (usually interpreted 'honor your parents')
6. Do not murder
7. Do not steal
8. Do not commit adultery
9. Do not carry false testimony, i.e. do not lie
10. Do not be jealous

These are spiritual guidelines and always have been and the Arabic phrase 'Al-Masjed Al-Haram' refers to them. Jesus was enlightened and showed through his message to mankind that they are to help in living but like Jesus said that it was said that you should not murder, but he said that the one who even has a quarrel with his brother is going to be held accountable. This is because these lines are mere general guidelines.

And he taught that it was said that you should love thy neighbor, but he told that it is better to also love thy enemy, because otherwise what difference will it make? The word "love" could be better defined though, perhaps be merciful, kind or of good foundation.

On the other hand, if this person, who calls himself, Christian criticizes Islam he has all right to do so, if one accepts the mainstream interpretation of Quran. Even when rejecting 'hadith of Muhammad' it is a warmongering and cold hearted faith, due to ignorant interpretation of the Arabic Quran came written in just as the Biblical scriptures came written in Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek. The Gospel in Greek marking the post-Alexander change in the Middle-East when the Persians lost their grip over it and before that Hebrew/Aramaic was the common academic language. For Persians are more responsible for the shape of Islam and Judaism than any other civilization. Judaism is Zoroastrianism 2.0 and Islam Zoroastrianism 3.0, if it is fair to use Zartosht/Zarathustra as reference because he had nothing to do with it, just as much as Jesus had anything to do with the shape of mainstream Christianity today.

The person who composed Quran wrote a scripture which follows the spiritual affinity of Jesus and not that of Pagans even if they seem to have had exclusive access to interpret it at will. Quran speaks of much love and helpfulness beneath the blatant lies in interpretation. You should exhort the sectarians (mushrikeen) to mend their ways and not kill them unless they perform some nonexistent ritual. It does not add up this traditional understanding, it is idiocy and no peace or harmony advocated. The mainstream interpretation contains too little about friendly behavior and helpfulness but all it can is condemning "disbelievers" to Gehenna/Hell for disbelieving in a ritualistic prayer and other nonsense.

This is a god with huge ego and need for gratification and worship. It looks like the Pagan gods which need to be pleased in a similar manner. You can barely feel the love of it, particularly if you do not perform its nonsensical Pagan rituals as Jesus said: "with their many words".

Fortunately I know better. I know that this understanding is false, and real Quran is in line with what the Messiah taught 2000 years ago. And the Messiah only came with his interpretation on the spiritual guidelines and all that which will help entering the Kingdom, as he put it. He did not indulge in any Pagan ritual as to please the Father who already knows what you need before you open your mouth. And the best way to make the Father proud is to walk in its spirit, just as a father of a child is proud if his son is becoming a good person. This is the reason why the phrase "B esm Allah Alrahman Alraheem" is in Quran,  because it means "with spirit thereof - be which be - foundation good thereof one - foundation good [person] thereof. The words after Allah are mere adjectives of the 'is that is' which Allah contains of.

Have faith

QuoteHei, @Reel, peace brother. I am just open minded and normally, if there are things that I agree, I will say. I do travel in fact I am hardly home. I read and I look at the news and I spend time.

You may be disappointed reading what I write but maybe its because you are too wise.

Peace :peace:

QuoteI am not affraid of anyone or any religion nor here to try and win you over but as a Christian expressing my views and what I know and a line of thought that I know. He in South Africa as you know we had been under apartheid. We heard a lot of propaganda stories and but what was the truth, no one knows. So, some of us dont believe in propaganda but we believe what we see and what is writen.

South Africa has been a hot bed for propaganda coming from Israel. I understand your view.

QuoteIt is my view that ISIS member are in their heads trying to establish this Islamic state were no other religion exist were heard them talk. You as Muslim with another version "the propaganda" should confront the west with none violence but a clear word.

Point to remember is that Iraq was from the very beginning an Islamic state. Shias are Muslims. From a logical point of view, if a certain side thinks its not being treated fairly it will try to bring down the opponent which was the first excuse ISIS used to enter Iraq. But how do you make an Islamic state out of Islamic state?

Second point is that Iraq isn't the home of these rebels. Technically, they are illegal immigrants. So why are they in Iraq? Who gave them tons of guns that have "made in Israel" written over them? Some twitter pics they were posting had texts boasting about how their Israeli guns were all too cool.

Third, why do they hate Palestine? On Twitter, some of them said that Palestine deserves what Israel is doing to them.

Fourth, why hate the west esp United States? Its not in Middle East and no western country has any plan to migrate to Iraq for good. A more logical terrorist group will have Israel as its target. But interestingly, almost all of the retards we saw so far are after mainly United States. It is irrational in the sense that most of their so called Arab traitors have connection to UK and not US. Since I live in US I know how we all including the Presidents live in constant fair that any moment Israeli Mossad will do something to us. We are pretty much hijacked.

Stay active on Twitter. You will see lots of things get opened right before your eyes.

The average American isn't scared of Muslims. Media always dramatizes everything. And our American channels are notorious for manufactured news.

QuoteAs a Christian, I admit that there are also people that do wrong, I myself am not perfect and we do admit but honestly to say that ISIS is a CIA thing, my brother its like you are turning a blind eye and would mislead us.

CIA along with Mossad had active relationship with ISIS in Syria. CIA knows how to smuggle guns and other stuffs. Also one doesnt require to be American to be employed by CIA. Wars are highly profitable and yes, US didn't get to capture the oil the first time it entered Iraq.

QuoteIn Christianity we believe it is God who convicts people and I know that when you walk in or search the truth you will find. I simply dont agree with you vote of propaganda.

If the pic of Mccain and Eliot looks propaganda to you then no one on this planet can change your mind.

QuoteEveryone must hear me clear. Whether is Islam or Christianity, I think we have our differences and ofcourse one day the truth will come out. I am not afraid to say in my view the Bible is from God and Quran is not.

Christians dont claim Bible to be directly from God. Its taken as inspired. Feel free to go with your belief.

QuoteBut I dont want to offend any one so I say, anyone can say what they like about Jesus that I believe iin as a Saviour of my soul or Paul or the Bible, it does not touch me as I believe it is between you and God. But the point on this is because as an African who grow-up listening to many stories and ancestrous worship. I found Jesus to bring peace and clarity to my life many years ago. In the same line, I know that ISIS members are just expremist Muslims pursuing what they dont know the end of it. As I wonder if in-deed they establish the state, what then?

Logically, there is no way to turn a Muslim Sunni into a Muslim Sunni  again. So the propaganda ISIS is using has no foundation. They are just waiting for US to invade so the oil is captured and profit from the war is made.

And above everything else, the short form title ISIS is severely unIslamic and unholy because it is the name of an Egyptian goddess who still is worshipped by freemasons. Prophet Mosses risked his life to bring people out of the darkness of such deity.Thus not even the worst Muslim gang will take it as a title for itself.

Logically, there is no way to turn a Muslim Sunni into a Muslim Sunni  again. So the propaganda ISIS is using has no foundation. They are just waiting for US to invade so the oil is captured and profit from the war is made.


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@reel. We shall see! we shall see indeed if this propaganda is true as you are sure. I understand your analysis but I still say there is no propaganda and there is an out break of terror from expremist Muslims. But really why do I agree with the word "expremist" is because even the quran or Islamic teaching encourages to kill. I have nothing against moderate Muslims and understand we all would love peace but unfortunately not in this world. I think you know more about the lines below I got from internet. I read them also in the copy of quran and some of them in the hadith.



1- Book of Al-Maeda, verse 33 (5:33) -?The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;? (Why would the true God want to do this?)

 

2- Book of Al-Anfal, verse 12 ( 8:12) - ?I (Allah) will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.? (in the Bible, Jesus says "He that is without sin must cut the first stone" as we know no one did it)




3- Book of Muhammad, verse 4 (47:4) - ?Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives?: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.?

( to me this line sounds like Satan talking not God)



4- Book of Al-Tawba, verse 123 (9:123) - ?Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.? (in shot it means "amuse Satan" by feeding demons with blood)



5- Book of Al-Baqara, verse 191 (2:191) - ?Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.? (ISIL)



6- Book of Al-Baqara, verse 193 (2:193) - ?Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah?



7- Book of Al-Tawba verse 29 (9:29) - "Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Jizyah tax) by hand, being inferior.?



8- Book of Al-Anfal, verse 17 (8:17) - It is not ye who Slew them, but Allah; And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower. Allah is indeed the "Beneficent and the Merciful" and above all, Allah is knower of all things.



My understanding is that as people we must all learn to live with each other and also by God's grace find the True God and I think you can only find God if you follow a true religion (the one that is from God). By this  I still claim that only one religion comes from God and the rest are planted by Satan as deceiver and angel of light into darkness.



Let us say, it is true that CIA or Israel, USA government or Brits are involved created ISIL. Why do they use Islam to commit these atrocities? All moderate MUslims says Islam is the religion of peace and in the countries where they are, they are doing good works which makes Islam looks good to those who do not understand anything about Jesus (propaganda: is to be told that Jesus did not die for you he was taken or replaced). But a born again Christian knows the difference between light and darkness. My sure stand is "Islam" was brought for the very reason as we see today and its going to get worse.



In Christianity we say God is in three dimensions (not 3 gods but 1 God in 3 revelations) like us men, there was a time we did not exist and a time we were children and a time we were fathers. Same as God, He was just God and used prophets until John the Baptist, then the prophets stopped when God came down as His Son (Son as in character not literal son like us human being born of marriage, Son for God is a Character that achieved the complete plan of God - Christ), When He leaves earth He brings Himself in the Spirit (the Holy Spirit). Never in the 3 dimension did Jesus exist while on the other side there was prophets and when He leaves only then the Holy Spirit dimension came as Jesus said that "Unless I go the Holy Spirit will not come. That is why I will never believe some prophet came to teach islam after Jesus left and sent the Holy Spirit to all that believed. Even the Holy Spirit inside any born again confirms this truth, that Jesus is all we need and the Holy Spirit to guide us.



Sorry, for the little preaching there, my point is to say. We are in the dimension of the Holy Spirit with us (no Jesus walking around or God sending prophets) talking "look unto Jesus" and He is still Jesus inside us and confirms God in us and I dont think He would want any one killing anyone. So, the Holy Spirit that is rejected is Jesus rejected and God rejected and when you do that whatever you follow at the end brings terror.



But we shall see, where this propaganda is going.

Quote from: JesusSonOfGod on December 15, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
In Christianity we say God is in three dimensions (not 3 gods but 1 God in 3 revelations) like us men, there was a time we did not exist and a time we were children and a time we were fathers. Same as God, He was just God and used prophets until John the Baptist, then the prophets stopped when God came down as His Son (Son as in character not literal son like us human being born of marriage, Son for God is a Character that achieved the complete plan of God - Christ), When He leaves earth He brings Himself in the Spirit (the Holy Spirit). Never in the 3 dimension did Jesus exist while on the other side there was prophets and when He leaves only then the Holy Spirit dimension came as Jesus said that "Unless I go the Holy Spirit will not come. That is why I will never believe some prophet came to teach islam after Jesus left and sent the Holy Spirit to all that believed. Even the Holy Spirit inside any born again confirms this truth, that Jesus is all we need and the Holy Spirit to guide us.

Salamun Alaikum.

Brother JSG has made some interesting remarks above which is worth a second look.

1. Son as in character not literal son like us human being born of marriage, Son for God is a Character that achieved the complete plan of God - Christ.

This is actually quite well said and per my humble understanding this statement does not conflict with Qur'an. Qur'an calls Jesus the "Word of God" which God gave to Mary which conveys a very similar idea. I believe what Qur'an rejects is the idea that Jesus is the "biological" son of God:

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2:116   And they said, ?Allah has taken a child .? Exalted be He! No - Whatever is in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him; all are obedient to Him.

2:117   Originator of the heavens and the earth - and when He decrees a command, then He only says to it, ?Be? and it is.

(My personal translation, cross checking is recommended.)

2. Never in the 3 dimension did Jesus exist while on the other side there was prophets

This is where the over glorification and confused theology has taken over. First of all Jesus never co-existed with other Prophets is an incorrect idea. Are we forgetting about John the Bapist?

Secondly, Jesus himself WAS a Prophet. If you ask any Christian scholar to explain Deuteronomy 18:18, he will inveriably say the "Prophet" mentioned in this verse is Jesus.

Last but not the least, Jesus never mentioned that there will be no more Prophets after him, or that After he goes "Holy Spirit" will take over and so no more Prophets / Messengers can come. - These are hypothesis cooked up by later generation clergy who needed to establish Jesus as the "Final Messenger" to have monopoly over the business of Religion.

Much in the same way the "Muslim" clergy needed to proclaim Muhammad as the "Final Messenger" to have monopoly over the their business of Religion.

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2:213   Mankind used to be a single community. Then Allah animated the prophets, as bearer of (glad) tidings and as bearer of warnings, and sent down with them the book in truth to judge among mankind in what they differed in it. And none differed in it except the ones ? they were given it from after clear proofs which came to them - envy among them. Then Allah guided those who had faith regarding what they differed in it from the truth with His authorization. And Allah guides to straight route whomever He wills.

(My personal translation, cross checking is recommended.)

May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

Regards,
Arman

Quote1- Book of Al-Maeda, verse 33 (5:33) -?The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;? (Why would the true God want to do this?)

Umm, then what does verse 5:34 says?

Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

In literal sense, ISIS violates verse 5:33 and thus is very much entitled to punishment described in it. They kill those who did nothing to them and they arent sorry about it.

If we use your logic we should not execute murderers at all. That pretty much proves your God to be far more violent. He is okay with killers roaming around killing everyone.

Quote2- Book of Al-Anfal, verse 12 ( 8:12) - ?I (Allah) will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.? (in the Bible, Jesus says "He that is without sin must cut the first stone" as we know no one did it)

Nice deception JesusSonOfGod. I didn't expect it from you. Don't you think you are doing exactly what Talibans and ISIS do?  Here is the complete verse.

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip." 8:12

So first of all, this wasnt revealed for humans, but angels. It is too obvious that the last line is very much translated wrong. Do you see angels literally strike humans on the neck and fingertip? Read the entire Surah. It reminds the Prophet of how he was helped by God during the  Battle of Badr.

QuoteJesus says "He that is without sin must cut the first stone" as we know no one did it

Now I feel like crying. Jesus must be doing the same in heaven to see how his followers utilize deception to spread propaganda. :-[

The verse you are showing about him is related to adultery. People were preparing to stone the woman and Jesus says this with the aim to protect her. Note that Quran does not have stoning as a punishment for adultery. And yes, adultery is not same as fighting in war.

Quote3- Book of Muhammad, verse 4 (47:4) - ?Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives?: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.?

Read the entire Surah where this verse is present http://quran.com/47.
And do let me know whether you are okay with someone attacking you, killing your family members and friends, holding you hostage in your own city and prohibiting all from buying anything from your store.

Quote( to me this line sounds like Satan talking not God)

Do you mean to say that true God should be a big liar who must around saying he loves all while destroying lives through earthquakes, tornados, tsunamis, nuclear bombs, technologically advanced guns, etc? But it looks like he told Bush to attack Iraq, a country that did nothing to him. I thought lying is the way of satan. Islam asks us to be realistic and believe that nothing happens without a reason.
We are to reject willful blindness.

Do you accept orgies, human sacrifice to deities, stoning adulterer and burying of female babies alive? If yes feel free to support those who were Islam during Prophet Muhammad's time.

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4- Book of Al-Tawba, verse 123 (9:123) - ?Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.? (in shot it means "amuse Satan" by feeding demons with blood)

I am now sadder than ever to see how far one would go to tarnish the reputation of Christians.  :'(

All official translations of 9:123:
Sahih International
O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
Muhsin Khan
O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
Pickthall
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Yusuf Ali
O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
Shakir
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Dr. Ghali
O you who have believed, fight the ones of the steadfast disbelievers who border on you and let them find in you (a) harshness; and know that Allah is with the pious.

That said, fight is still the wrong word used here. So is the word harshness.

A better translation is the following:
O you who have believed, teach those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you strength. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
Why I say so? Because the verse 9:122 before this says

And it is not for the believers to go forth all at once. For there should separate from every division of them a group to obtain understanding in the religion and warn their people when they return to them that they might be cautious.

Verse 9:124
And whenever a surah is revealed, there are among the hypocrites those who say, "Which of you has this increased faith?" As for those who believed, it has increased them in faith, while they are rejoicing.

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My professor asked me to send one of my fieldwork research paper to him in e-format. Hence, I will have to leave the forum for a few hours to prepare it for him. I will be back to responding to your stuffs once I am done. But so far, I am highly disappointed to see the deception.

In fact they kill also those who adhere to salat and zakat which means they have no justification according to the (erroneously) interpreted 9:1-9:12, if we hypothetically interpret it according to the mainstream way. However they will probably say that they do salat the wrong way or something to still justify killing them.

And they have the non-Quranic idea that apostates should be killed.

Have faith

Quote5- Book of Al-Baqara, verse 191 (2:191) - ?Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.? (ISIL)

Quote6- Book of Al-Baqara, verse 193 (2:193) - ?Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah?

Here are the remaining verses:
Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear (the punishment of) God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.2:190-194

By the way, our western defense system also abides by it. At least, here in US, pentagon's mainstream rule is that troops will not attack anyone unless they are attacked first. I don't know about South Africa. But so far it looks like you wholeheartedly accept all kinds of violence for which you have problem every time men take up arms to defend themselves from oppression. Do you happen to come from ISIS? You are showing symptoms of that. Otherwise, you would not show so much hatred towards those who fight in defense.

Quote7- Book of Al-Tawba verse 29 (9:29) - "Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Jizyah tax) by hand, being inferior.?

How do you manage to lie so much? You thought you won't be caught in your action? You deleted all reasons with .... to make the verse look like Allah is telling us to fight uselessly.


O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. 9:28-29

What this means is that nonMuslims werent supposed to be entering Masjid Al Haram. But it looks like they still did it arrogantly. So Allah is telling the Muslims to teach them to not disrespect what Allah instructed. They may enter the mosque only if they break their arrogance and become Muslim. Allah also confirms here that not even Christians and Jews were to enter it because:

The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!9:30


They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). 9:31

They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. 9:32

But here is the epic verse:

O you who have believed, indeed many of the scholars and the monks devour the wealth of people unjustly and avert [them] from the way of Allah . And those who hoard gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah - give them tidings of a painful punishment.9:34

Your religion back then was more of a business based on paganism. Quran tell us this is prohibited in Islam. We can't have priests make their own laws for us. Funny that Sunnism and Shiasm headed to that same direction.

Quote8- Book of Al-Anfal, verse 17 (8:17) - It is not ye who Slew them, but Allah; And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower. Allah is indeed the "Beneficent and the Merciful" and above all, Allah is knower of all things.

So your God goes around taking people's lives, yet say "oh no, i didn't have hand on it? How do you explain why people die? The entire verse is straightforward. Death and life, both come from God.

QuoteMy understanding is that as people we must all learn to live with each other

Learn to walk the talk

In a Divided City, Many Blacks See Echoes of White Superiority
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/world/africa/in-cape-town-many-black-south-africans-feel-unwelcome.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Quoteand also by God's grace find the True God and I think you can only find God if you follow a true religion (the one that is from God). By this  I still claim that only one religion comes from God and the rest are planted by Satan as deceiver and angel of light into darkness. Let us say, it is true that CIA or Israel, USA government or Brits are involved created ISIL. Why do they use Islam to commit these atrocities? All moderate MUslims says Islam is the religion of peace and in the countries where they are, they are doing good works which makes Islam looks good to those who do not understand anything about Jesus (propaganda: is to be told that Jesus did not die for you he was taken or replaced). But a born again Christian knows the difference between light and darkness. My sure stand is "Islam" was brought for the very reason as we see today and its going to get worse.

Thats your belief which to me is getting scary and I feel that you truly are out here to spread violence because of the weird verses you created yourself above. I suppose I must report you to my finance who works for Navy so he can pass it on to Homeland Security.

QuoteI don't know if I can put this more simply. If Isis calls themselves Muslim then they are muslims by their standard. Is there some sort of certifying authority which decides on who a Muslim is? The fact is those who kill innocents by blowing up airplane or random shooting in bustling cities or by beheading they are doing this in the name of islam. They have an ideology they follow. Until and unless muslims start addressing this issue such savagery will continue. No amount of paranoia screaming west is the problem will not solve it. Even without the interference of the west these people will find new enemies and new excuses to continue their subjugation. It's time people realize nobody should force anything on anyone and follow the principles of civility and decency.

Well the Qur'an clearly shows who is a Muslim and who isn't. I can give you plenty of verses in the Qur'an that contradicts the actions of the Islamic State. Saying that the Islamic State is Muslim is like saying that Hitler was a Jew. And anybody can call themselves a Muslim(e.g the Europeans) which is really sad.. But are they Muslims? I don't think so. The Islamic State is already killing Muslims while shelling mosques destroying many Qur'ans in the process. By calling the militants of the Islamic State 'Muslims', you're only insulting Allah, Islam and Muslims.

QuoteIs there some sort of certifying authority which decides on who a Muslim is?

There should be one IMO. Too many European/South-Asian morons that consider themselves Muslims yet they go and travel to other countries for jihad with the permission of their countries. The worst part? No one is doing anything about it.

QuoteNo amount of paranoia screaming west is the problem will not solve it. Even without the interference of the west these people will find new enemies and new excuses to continue their subjugation. It's time people realize nobody should force anything on anyone and follow the principles of civility and decency.

I never said that screaming West is the problem will solve it. I'm all for actions against the Islamic State but know that the people who have been supporting the Islamic State both indirectly and directly are the European countries. The European countries pretend to be innocent, yet we get to see dozens of videos of NATO nations aiding Islamic State militants.. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsak_ApRgT8 - Turkish Army Convoy in Syria Passing Through ISIS Checkpoint Near Jarabulus





The Arab countries are in need of someone like Hitler and I'm not talking about killing anybody that's innocent. My point is that Hitler was willing to do things to improve the economy of Germany. He annilihated the European countries as a response to their looting of Germany(And until this day many dumb Europeans love Hitler) which made Germany poor after WW1. I don't like the Arab leaders at all - They don't help Iraq, Palestine or Syria or Lebanon no infact they are good on making trade relations with one of the biggest terrorists ever world wide but it's not like these leaders are any different.. They are equally as moronic and terrorist as their European friends. Abdullah brings absolutely no economic improvements to Saudi-Arabia - No instead it's the oil that is keeping Saudi-Arabia alive and not Abdullah the hmar.

QuoteEven without the interference of the west these people will find new enemies and new excuses to continue their subjugation.

That's why actions need to be taken ASAP. However keep in mind that if the West/Qatari regime does not meet the same faith as the Nazis did during WW2 then expect similiar groups to the Islamic State in the future especially during revolutions. The Qatari regime always hjiacks revolutions taking place in the Arab world. Sadly the only thing protecting Qatari tyranny is oil and without oil-money there would be a revolt to remove this moronic leader. Countries such as Germany is good at defending Qatari dictatorship while sending Israel some silly weapons. The Europeans along with the Islamic State are one of the biggest enemies to the Arab world and the faster actions are taken the better. If I was the leader of the Arab world, I'd never make any empty speeches - I'd definently arrest the Europeans and throw them into jail and put pressure on Europe to arrest these Islamists. Sadly the Europeans never learn, you need a leader like Hitler to deal with these morons and the same applies for the Islamic State.



I have never said that we should blame the West only but that we should take actions as fast as possible. The problem? The Arab leaders are too busy making deals with some terrorist Europeans.

(http://i.imgur.com/oZpP2tz.jpg)

Can anyone confirm this? https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=807343525970882 It's a video were Turkish soldiers appears to be chatting with ISIS terrorists across the Syrian-Turkish border.

For all the 'Muslims' who keep saying stop blaming the West. You bring up absolutely NO evidence when trying to defend your pathetic 'civilized' West. I have linked some videos which shows that Turkey, a NATO country and soon to become a part of the EU, is collabrating with the Islamists. Many Islamists who were killed by the brave Iraqi army have always been found with Turkish stamps on their passports. It's obvious that they are coming from Turkey and not any other country. Even now Turkey is being accused of buying oil from the Islamic State by the US. And the political party that is the leader of Turkey is an Islamist party that is terrible and pretends to be secular despite the fact that it supports irhabi religious groups big time. Until then there are plenty of videos that are being leaked on how Turkey is sending insurgents into Syria - One journalist was almost kidnapped as she was trying to expose Turkish soldiers sending insurgents into Syria near the Syrian-Turkish borders. NATO is a European terrorist junk organisation. The truth is that the Islamic State would NOT exist today had Turkey never sent any insurgents into the Syrian/Iraqi borders.

Western 'muslims' are a failure that obviously have no culture, history or traditions of their own. They try to defend their West but just read their history and bring up WW1-WW2 as two perfect examples of moronic Westerners killing each other.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6e9iUnGBhc - "Foreign ISIL Militant Passports Have Turkish Govt Exit Stamp: Kurdish Fighters in Koban?"

Sky News reporter at the Syrian-Turkish border, Stuart Ramsay, obtained from Kurdish fighters in the Syrian city of Koban? (aka Ayn al-Arab) some passports belonging to foreign militants from the Islamic State (IS, aka ISIL or ISIS). All those passports had the official exit stamp from the Turkish border control, indicating that these ISIL militants entered Syria with the full knowledge of the Turkish authorities and their facilitation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZofgLp8_WY - Turkey smuggles weapons into Syria..

And this is not some stupid Alex-Jones Western theory. This is already enough to prove how Turkey is behind the Islamic State and how the Islamic State is getting its miserable cannonfodder through the Turkish borders. But oh well keep sending the dumb cannonfodder - We have the Kurds to wipe the hell out of these savages and the more Turkish passports/stamps are found the more miserably will be brought on Turkey. After the war I hope the European ambassadors and the Wahabbis are thrown into jail. I also hope that the Arab world one day stops oppressing the Kurds- If anything it's the European 'Muslims' that should be oppressed for their support of terrorist groups. What have the Kurds ever done? Absolutely nothing. Now take a look at these European 'muslim' such as Anjem Choudry for example.. Or what about those Danish morons that name themselves Al-Denmarki? Or what about those European 'muslim' scumbags that have been sugarcoating Islamic State militants/terrorists with the name 'Freedom fighter'/'Rebel'? They're terrorists big time.

QuoteAll I was saying is that you must really be careful on what Islam is doing. You say, I could have been dead if all Muslims were up to killing. I dont think credit goes to Islamic teaching but to God. In the Middle East people are being killed for being Christians because Arabs believes its their world. So, I thank God that He is in control and there will never be a time that will happen as God promised in the Bible. But should death come just because we are Christians so let it be, we are more than prepared to move to the next level as we forever live in Christ Jesus as the Bible and yes Apostle Paul preached as one of the apostles for we know through the Holy Spirit that He overcame death and lives forever and we that believe are in Him and shall live with Him in the life after this present age.

No offense but your arguments can be used against Christianity too.

QuoteIn the Middle East people are being killed for being Christians because Arabs believes its their world

What does that mean? There are plenty of Arab Christians in the Arab world. The Arabs used to be Christians, Jews and Pagans prior to Islam. Some Christians converted to Islam, others were Arabised and are mostly known as Assyrians. Also there are Arabs of European descent who were Arabised especially after Saladin retook Jerusalem were most of the Crusaders couldn't afford going back to Europe so they were absorbed in the Arab countries. Today the Arab Christians are proudly Arabs and that is something European money will never be able to buy.

I don't hate the Arab Christians at all. I hate the American/European Christians definently(e.g Breiveik)..


The Arab Christians will always be famous in the Arab world. No European 'muslim' trash will ever take that away. People need to understand that it's not about religion. I prefer a Palestine-supporting Arab Christian over a pro-Israeli or Western apologist Qur'anist/Sunni anyday. It's not about religion, it's about ethnicity/nationality. Many Arab Christians serve in the Arab armies and have taken part in getting rid of the European 'muslims'(i.e Islamists/Islamic State). If it was up to me, I'd have removed the European Muslims and lifted the bann on the Arab Jews. I'd also get rid of the Arab sheikhs that have pro-ISIS views - They need to be removed from Saudi-Arabia, UAE Qatar, Kuwait and so on.

Arab Christians stand behind Palestine - The only Christians/Muslims/Atheists that stands behind Israel are Europeans hence my point - It has nothing to do with religion but with peoples nationality/ethnicity.



Just because I'm a Muslim doesn't mean I will respect other Muslims and somehow disrespect people for being non-Muslims. To me religion is irrelevant - Oppose the Arab world and have bombs fall on your head whether you be a Satanist/Muslim/Jew/Homosexual or whatever. I oppose the Islamic State 100% and if it was up to me I'd have annilihated the Islamic State along with Israel a long time ago. Don't forget that some European countries are on that list too. Sadly today the Arab countries are controlled by clowns/dictators while allowing the Europeans to enter the Arab world while they support Israel.

and to me the Arab world especially Palestine is much more worth than any religion.


And the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam - The Islamic State is a result of European/Qatari funds and lack of education. The only thing that is keeping the Islamic State alive is money(especially private funds) that is being flown through Turkey. Even Akon or Dj Khaled is a lot more muslim than 'Al-Bagdhadi' or the Israel-supporting 'Muslims' will ever be. Atleast Akon or Dj Khaled don't believe in killing anybody.



Speaking of Palestine this flag was used to represent Palestine in 1938:

(http://i.imgur.com/1aweQZW.png)

The flag was to represent a Palestinian Christian-Muslim unity and an uprising against the British empire and the forced European Jewish Immigration into Palestine. In any case it represents the cause of getting rid of the Euro trash. Believe me, you'd get the same response by the Palestinians if it were European Atheists, European Christians or whatever.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZJqQc4M.jpg)


The PLO was mostly started by Palestinian Christians were some of them were assassinated by terrorist Israeli Mossad. Do not believe this Western BS that the Palestinians somehow hate Christians - One thing for sure is that we do not hate the Arab Christians. In Yarmouk I lived near many Palestinian/Syrian Christians- Some of them carrying European names obviously they were Arabised. None the less nobody hated them for being different and they are Syrian/Palestinian which is all what mattered. Their religion is irrelevant. Ba'athism(A secular democratic Pan-Arabism ideology) was started by an Arab orthodox Christian named Michel Aflaq along with a Muslim Arab and an Atheist Arab as well but their ideology were later on hjiacked by Saddam and Assad which is why the parties today calling themselves 'Ba'athists' are refered to as 'Neo-Ba'athists', hence they have absolutely NOTHING to do with Ba'athism. The two Ba'athist states which have existed in Iraq and Syria also forbade criticism of their ideology through authoritarian governance. And as mentioned before, these governments have been labelled as neo-Ba'athist, because the form of Ba'athism developed in Iraq and Syria was very different from the Ba'athism of Aflaq and al-Bitar; for example, none of the ruling Ba'ath parties actually pursued or pursues a policy of unifying the Arab world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Aflaq#Role_of_Islam

Actually Michel Aflaq respected Islam:

"What Aflaq saw in Islam was a revolutionary movement. In contrast to other nationalities, the Arab awakening and expansion was attributed to a religious message. Because of this, Aflaq believed that the Arab's spirituality was directly linked to Islam, therefore, one could never take Islam out of the equation of what is, and is not, an Arab. Arab nationalism, just as Islam had been during the lifetime of Muhammad, was a spiritual revolutionary movement which was leading the Arabs to a new renaissance: Arab nationalism was the second revolution to appear in the Arab world. All Arab religious communities should, according to Aflaq, respect and worship the spirituality of Islam, even if they did not worship Islam in a religious sense ? Aflaq was a Christian who worshipped Islam.[65] Aflaq did not believe it was necessary to worship Muhammad, but believed that all Arabs should strive to emulate Muhammad. In the words of Aflaq himself, Arabs "belong to the nation that gave birth to a Muhammad; or rather, because this Arab individual is a member of the community which Muhammad put all his efforts into creating [?] Muhammad was all the Arabs; let us today make all the Arabs Muhammad." The Muslim of Muhammad's days were, according to Aflaq, synonymous with Arabs ? the Arabs were the only ones to preach the message of Islam during Muhammad's lifetime. In contrast to Jesus, who was a religious leader, but not a political leader, Muhammad was both ? the first leader of Islam and of the Arab world. Therefore, secularisation could not take the same shape in the Arab world as it did in the West.[66]

Aflaq called on all Arabs, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike, to admire the role Islam had played in creating an Arab character. But his view on Islam was purely spiritual, and Aflaq emphasised that Islam "should not be imposed" on state and society. Time and again Aflaq emphasised that the Ba'ath party was against atheism, but also against fundamentalism; the fundamentalists represented a "shallow, false faith." According to Ba'athist ideology, all religions were equal. Despite his anti-atheist stance, Aflaq was a strong supporter of secular government, and stated that a Ba'athist state would replace religion with a state "based on a foundation ? Arab nationalism, and a moral ? freedom."[67]"


The Palestinian nationalists do hate the foreign Muslims, the foreign Christians and anybody regardless of their religion. Do you know what happens to European pro-Israeli propagandists in Gaza? They'd get rammed with cars by Palestinian/Arab nationalist for their pro-Israeli cheap ass propaganda. The big-nosed Europeans need to stay in Europe and need to stop making propaganda of a carpet. Only dumb Europeans would fall for such propaganda but what do you expect? Western-Europeans are morons. Too bad the other Arab countries are not strong enough to realize that. No instead Europeans can walk into the Palace in Saudi-Arabia and have some alcohol and then sell some terrible weapons that are junk while supporting Israel. Of course these Europeans want monarcy dictatorship(which oppresses Arab- christians, jews, atheists, etc) because it's a 'friendly' ideology to the West while it's an enemy to the Arab world.




Anyway to debunk Western propaganda:

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These are Arab Christians visiting Iraqi Arab Muslims to pay their respect to the grandson of Prophet Muhammad, Imam Hussain, in Karbala.


Meanwhile in Denmark you get to read about how some dumb Danish 'muslim' rioted because someone drew Muhammed or how some Danish terrorist went on a shooting spree on Innocent people. The Danish people are inferior that only knows how to riot, destroy things and kill each other. But it's not only the 'muslims' but even the Christians. You want a good defination of a Scandinavian Christian? I'd say that Breiveik is that example.

Still you can NOT blame Islam for ISIS/Islamists - Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the Danish or the British 'Muslims'. All these Irhabieen naming themselves 'Al-Denmarki' or 'Al-Britani' are 100% British/Danish or probaly South-Asians holding British/Danish citizenship. To hell with them.

Actually countries such as Denmark does not want to recognize a Palestinian state. I bet Denmark would recognize the Islamic state or Israel as states. Why isn't Denmark being removed from the European union?


I support the Arab Christians 100% and the Arab atheists too and anybody. Now we get to see how Iraqi Christians(Mostly ethnically Assyrians) are serving in the Iraqi army destroying the Islamists on sight especially the scumbags that keep flocking from Europe through the Turkish borders. I swear the Arab Christians are our unique minority- They are people who refused to convert to another religion because they wanted to keep their own traditions, culture and language. I have respect for them. I hope the Arab world builds a church for them on every dead Islamist corpse. If the Islamic State builds one of their primitive 'holy-site' then bomb it and build a church there instead to humilate the Islamic State. As a Muslim I approve. And as a Muslim I'd have no problem with seeing an Arab church being built next to Mecca. For me it's absolutely no problem- And I think the Arab Christians deserve more churches in the other Arab countries for their great amazing contributions to pan-Arabism.  And if the Western/South-Asian/Non-Arab Muslims do not like it then they are free to leave anytime. They need to understand that Saudi-Arabia is not a 'muslim' country but rather a country for the Saudis regardless of religion and gender. The only thing the European/South-Asian 'Muslims' are good at is supporting Israel/Islamic State or any other religious homeland in the Middle-east. They do not bring any contribution but only seek to destroy the Arab world so remove them already. Our Christian minority deserve to lead the Arab countries because they know how to insert Arab nationalism and get rid of the foreign trash.

The Churches that are to be built in the Arab countries should NOT be for the dumb European Christians but for the brilliant ARAB Christians.




I'm not going to defend any religion but as a secular Muslim I will tell you this; you won't really get far with your arguments by defending Christianity while calling Islam 'evil'. If you're going to hate on Islam then you might as well hate Christianity and Judaism. Personally I don't care about religion but I find it hypocritical that religious people always criticise each other when their side is as terrible. I like the Qur'anist intrepretation of Islam because it makes sense. I don't hate christians, homosexuals, jews or whatever. I do oppose all religious homelands(Whether it be 'Jewish' or 'Muslim') despite how many times they pretend to be 'democratic' or 'secular'. Two examples of religious homeland is Israel and the Islamic State. You have Israel that is a 'Jewish' homeland in the same way the Islamic State is a 'muslim' homeland.




It's not the Jews or the Christians who are an enemy to Pan-Arabism. It's the Europeans along with the Islamic State and Israel. Pan-Arabism has always opposed European colonism which is the reason why Arab nationalism rose as a response to the barbaric Europeans who were colonizing the Arab countries while exporting artifacts that are worth entire Europe. How is it that Christianity or Judaism turned into an enemy to Pan-Arabism all the sudden? We have forgotten that it's these Europeans who are the problem. There were many Arab Christians that opposed the Europeans big time. Syrian Christians like Jules Jamal fought against the French savages at Suez Canal by ramming his boat into a French warship, thereby sinking the ship giving his life for Egypt. Britain created Israel- NATO/Qatari dictatorship created the Islamic State. Qatari dictatorship is parasitical that ruins the Arab world.


Some good news:

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/05/danish_jihadist_kill.php - Danish jihadist killed

https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/440022713147465728 - Al-Denmarki Al-Hmar was sent back to hell by the brave Iraqi army.


The stupid Euro trash should have stayed in Denmark and take drugs and then go and suicide somewhere in Denmark. Oh well - Good riddance. I hope he enjoys hell. Ironic - There is an article called 'History of Jihad against Denmark" - Last time I checked Denmark is probaly the biggest biggest jihad country that exists worldwide. If anything it's THIS country that is waging the European version of Jihad against other countries by sending its stupid citizens as the perfect cannonfodder. I only wish Hitler was alive so he could annilihate this stupid country again and bomb it back to the stone age were it really belongs. Danish people have no history, language or culture of their own. They're gypsies that only begs the US for more $$ like they did during WW2. I laugh at the pictures of the Danish flag being burned- I hope that the flags of the Islamic State is burned as well. I hate the fact that Denmark is being seen as an 'innocent' country that is being waged jihad against by extremists. If anything, it's Denmark that is waging jihad against other people. The worst part? Nobody is doing anything about it. No- Instead all eyes are on Russia. Actually the European countries are a much larger threat than Russia IMO despite Russia having nukes.

feliz ano novo!!!! :sun:

In Christianity we recognize prophets are those recorded in the Bible, such as Samuel, Jeremiah, Isaiah,......up to Malachi. All the prophets wrote things that were in line, that through their messages we see Christ.

We do no "really" consider or value people like Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Joshua, Abel, Joseph, David, Solomon, Job as prophets because they acted certain roles in society that simply standing as Messengers.

John the Baptist was prophesied as the "voice in the wilderness" "that proclaims "prepare yee the way of the Lord". When you read the gospels, you will see that John teach repentance and tell about He (Jesus) that comes after me (John). When Jesus comes to him for baptism, John say, "But, I need to be baptized by you." and Jesus replied, "we have to do it." The John says he saw the Spirit of God in a dove shape coming to Jesus and a voice was heard by those who were there that "this is my Son, listen to Him"

So, as Christians we recognized prophets as those that books of thier messages as prophets were recorded. Were know of other books not in the bible, but the message is clear enough to get us to New Testament.

John was that voice from the wilderness and Jesus is not really or valued as a prophet but Christ (the Savior of the world).

Any prophet that comes after Jesus, according to Jesus to Christians, that prophet is the false prophet that deceives many. So, to a Christian (born again) this includes Muhamed. But a Muslim will be taught different and be told that the scriptures were distorted and are not accurate and the teaching by the prophets in the bible was from themselves not Allah, so all the prophets in the Bible were talking their mind according to Islam.

Now, we have terror groups all countries in ME, young men are become cold blooded killers in the name of the prophet. This prophet that came after Jesus said false prophets will come after me. Look around and ask your self, how do we stop, Muslim extremist from killing people and resolving their difference in peace if indeed their religion is of peace.

No matter how much we can blame the west for their many years of killing for resources, we can not justify killing in the name of Allah or a prophet. In my knowledge the killing done by Christians were clearly attempts to resolve Crime against humanity, for example the Crusaders for attempting to stop Muslims from killing just to spread their religion.

People in France now mourn the death of innocent people who are killed for freedom of expression. A question we ask is, "As a Muslim, are you happy?" Is the name of your prophet avenged? Is this the will of God?

Here in my country we have high unemployment rate and we still see people from ME flocking into our villages, towns, townships and openning supermarkets, selling almost anything and taking over houses of poor people who borrow money from them. I blame the government for letting them flock in without any process.
These people run from the violence in their countries without understanding that this Islam religion is the problem :elektro:. We live in reletive peace because of we are Christians and Jesus Son of God is praised for dying for us, He give us peace. Now, these people flocked in here to find green grass but they also brought their Islam religion :jedi:, Ah!, God help us :police:

Though I hear your arguements, i think the acts of the Islamic terror group are not justifiable

Dude I am not gonna comment on your long essay because of the deceptions you showed earlier.

QuotePeople in France now mourn the death of innocent people who are killed for freedom of expression. A question we ask is, "As a Muslim, are you happy?" Is the name of your prophet avenged? Is this the will of God?

People like you and those who were going around killing in France come from the same terrorist group. It seems you are rejoicing the killing because in your mind it looks like a bloat on Islam, the religion you despise.

You have been missing for too long. Suddenly you pop up here to boast about how you think you are not wrong about your perception about Islam. You think we can't see a thing?

The entire killing actually has nothing to do with religion. Its once again an act by the patsy of the elite. How clever of them to let go of the killers. Its amazing how people don't question why there was no security in the building of such a big magazine.

But once again, if a war has to be made, in a Democratic world, people's views must be changed by manipulation so they push the government to start the war. This is a very simple formula used before WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Iraq/Afghanistan Wars and probably some more in the coming years.

I don't think you are going to understand any of it because you have decided to remain a sheeple. Probably, one day you would push your son/grandson to go to one of these wars so once he comes back his career and life both go downhill. Its sad to see the number of kids who get their lives ruined because of your type. Because of your type, elite will continue to get support for depopulation and profit making.

Another islamophobic false flag. I doubt that peoplle swallow it now as eagerle as the first time. People may be like sheep to some extent, but even sheep learn at some point. But of course there are the prophssional choirs to echo the false flag venom.

They will get retribution. But don't let us not notice that the people, even misinformed as they are, are swaying away from this falsa flag business.

Salaam

Quote from: reel on January 09, 2015, 05:50:52 AM
The entire killing actually has nothing to do with religion. Its once again an act by the patsy of the elite. How clever of them to let go of the killers. Its amazing how people don't question why there was no security in the building of such a big magazine.

Yip...
The main idea behind all these acts in my opinion, is to give  Islam and Muslims such a bad name that any wrong action by them will not face any opposition in the future.
Sooner or later, an ordinary muslim will feel so much scared, ashamed or shy as to change his identity because his religion will become a big problem for him/her and the children to lead a normal life in this world at home or abroad.

Regards

Quote from: huruf on January 09, 2015, 08:03:10 AM
Another islamophobic false flag. I doubt that peoplle swallow it now as eagerle as the first time. People may be like sheep to some extent, but even sheep learn at some point. But of course there are the prophssional choirs to echo the false flag venom.

They will get retribution. But don't let us not notice that the people, even misinformed as they are, are swaying away from this falsa flag business.

Salaam

It does look very much like false flag. Has Mossad written all over it because one of the terrorists conveniently left his ID. Similar script was written for 9/11. Everyone's body vaporized, but Atta's passport miraculously survived the alleged plane crash and collapsing building. But bigger evidence in the Paris Attack is the line Allahu Akbar followed by 'the name of your prophet avenged. Every fake terrorist uses that line because its easy to memorize, lol.

QuoteThe main idea behind all these acts in my opinion, is to give  Islam and Muslims such a bad name that any wrong action by them will not face any opposition in the future.
Sooner or later, an ordinary muslim will feel so much scared, ashamed or shy as to change his identity because his religion will become a big problem for him/her and the children to lead a normal life in this world at home or abroad.

It looks like Mossad's plan is backfiring. Latest news is that one of the two cops died while fighting against those terrorists was Muslim.

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Police officer Ahmed Merabet

"Gunmen stormed office in Paris with guns and rocket-propelled grenades
Police officers Ahmed Merabet and Franck Brinsolaro killed in the attack 
Shocking footage showed Mr Merabet being executed in the street
He was a 42-year-old bicycle patrolman, who also happened to be Muslim
Tributes have poured in for the 'heroic' officer killed in the line of duty
Under the rallying cry of 'I am Ahmed', thousands have shown solidarity
Some pointed out he died protecting those who poked fun at his religion"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901681/Hero-police-officer-executed-street-married-42-year-old-Muslim-assigned-patrol-Paris-neighbourhood-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-located.html#ixzz3OP5Nkkg2

Even worse, reporters have started digging for more info after this. Findings:
"Each "Islamist" attack has involved at least one Muslim victim amongst the police force -- for example Imad Ibn Ziaten, a French soldier killed by Mohamed Merah in Toulouse in 2012, or the officer Ahmed Merabet, killed when he tried to stop the killers at the Charlie Hebdo offices."
"in France, there are more Muslims in the army, the police, and the gendarmes than in the Al Qaeda network, not to mention in government administration, the hospitals, law practices or the educational system."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/olivier-roy/paris-attack-muslim-cliches_b_6445582.html

Let us pray sincerely so that people, instead of reacting like the beasts the manipulators think them to be ans want them to be, react by sticking more together. The war that is being waged against the people, with ll states bringing down the social welfare and solidarity, and the eocnomies wrecking, isw martched with the attempts at disgregating the peoples making them believe they are enemies of each other. May God have mercy and let the peoples realise what is against them and not let the shaytans get their way.

Bearing in mind the dirty and harring work to which bpeople is being submitted flooding them with venom I cannot but think that things might be far far worse than they are. In fact, in many countries there shoudl have already broken outright lawlessness of all against all. So I do trust that people have more sense and goodness that those devils expected.

Salaam

True Huruf, I finally came to know why France was attacked. Has nothing to do with Islam, but Palestine. We should start praying for Europe.

I do not presume to be a seer, I don't need to for it, but on the 18th of december I wrote something in my facebood under the heading: Are we ready? And I announced that there would be terrorists attacks such those that have happened because in Europe, certain European institutions and even states were turning to approve of Palestine.

Later, I forgot about my writing that, but somebody else picked it up after the terrorist attacks or false flags by other name. It is out of a manual, what they do, and shaytanic, enemies of the humanity and the peoples.

And criminal netaniahu marhing in Paris defending freedom of speech... that is a much better joke than anything ever appeared on the Charlie magazine.

May God help us.


Salaam

This is no false flag.  We should start facing the reality Islam is in a very bad condition.  The majority of muslims is being controlled by sects that strive for political, earthly power.  Ignoring this reality and blaming Israel for everything is not going to help.

The video of one of the attackers was illustrative: a radical sunni, citing verses in Arabic with the skill of a 2-year old.  He had no idea what he was reading if they didnt translate it for him first.  His understanding of Quran must have been on equal level.

Quote from: runninglikezebras on January 12, 2015, 06:26:48 AM
This is no false flag.  We should start facing the reality Islam is in a very bad condition.  The majority of muslims is being controlled by sects that strive for political, earthly power.  Ignoring this reality and blaming Israel for everything is not going to help.

The video of one of the attackers was illustrative: a radical sunni, citing verses in Arabic with the skill of a 2-year old.  He had no idea what he was reading if they didnt translate it for him first.  His understanding of Quran must have been on equal level.

Though one should not forget false flags are very real, check out the USS Liberty attack, Operation Gladio, and many other things.

Quote from: FreedomStands on January 12, 2015, 06:40:52 AM
Though one should not forget false flags are very real, check out the USS Liberty attack, Operation Gladio, and many other things.

Historically they are very uncommon.  I know the incidents you cite.  You will find it hard finding many others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDkbaPedIz4

Quote from: runninglikezebras on January 12, 2015, 06:26:48 AM
This is no false flag.  We should start facing the reality Islam is in a very bad condition.  The majority of muslims is being controlled by sects that strive for political, earthly power.  Ignoring this reality and blaming Israel for everything is not going to help.

The video of one of the attackers was illustrative: a radical sunni, citing verses in Arabic with the skill of a 2-year old.  He had no idea what he was reading if they didnt translate it for him first.  His understanding of Quran must have been on equal level.

YOU think it is not  false flag or you would like to think that, tht does not mean you know anything.

and that is enough of ever assuming that no matter how many liers have pointed their fingers, they are always right and anonimoys muslims are always evil.

The same tactics were used agains jews by tha nazis and we know what it lead too. But I suppose if we think that muslims are evil by definition it is useless to attempt to protect them from the imperial machinations.



Salaam

Quote from: huruf on January 12, 2015, 09:22:35 AM
YOU think it is not  false flag or you would like to think that, tht does not mean you know anything.

and that is enough of ever assuming that no matter how many liers have pointed their fingers, they are always right and anonimoys muslims are always evil.

The same tactics were used agains jews by tha nazis and we know what it lead too. But I suppose if we think that muslims are evil by definition it is useless to attempt to protect them from the imperial machinations.



Salaam

I'm not denying islamophobia nor imperialism.  But I'm getting fed up with people crying wolve when there is none.  Islamophobia is fear, imperialism is a political strategy.

I'm convinced ISIS is not a false flag.  It's a proper sunni national movement establishing the idea of a caliphate that goes way back in their sunnah and hadith.  I don't see any external force at work.

Salaam,

@ brother reel, I dont always have time to reply some of the interesting post though I read.

I disagree with the 'islamophobia" or false flag. The boys were poisoned by extremist. The poisoning is done by indoctrinating them about making the imperialist pay for thier sins, this is true.

You know, we people dont understand that we are all going to face one end. The end is God's judgement where some will go to life internal or condemnation internal, well some people dont believe there is a God those who believe have diferences and the struggle is the question "which religion is true?" and we all claim "my religion is true" but the end will come. But it is easy to see a false prophet. The bible says that if one prophesied and it did not happen then he is false. Here I consider a prophesy that has to do with the end of days. All that Jesus Christ said is coming to pass, and we are all witness. Though to me Jesus is not just a prophet but the Lord and Savior as He Himself claimed and His claim is true.

Concerning terrorism the book of Daniel says. "Daniel 11:14 "Now in those times many shall rise up against the king of the South. Also, the violent men of your people shall exalt themselves in fulfillment of the vision, but they shall fall."

I know there are many Christian preachers saying the book of Daniel has been fulfilled, but when you read it it talks about the "END". Then, I see why they claim it was fulfilled but what they miss is that "History will repeat its self" in order to bring the end.

The voilent men is the terrorist and the king of the South is American (not Obama but some leader in the end". The vision is explained in the book of Reveletion where you can understand that the "vision" is that America will one day be destroyed but there is a person (satan incarnation) that will be leading in those days.
The reason is simple satan cant allow imperialists because he also wants to rule (this is my thought) .

So, this terrorist will never win in attempts to destroy the western powers (because there is a prophesy). But like it or not they are using Islam to indoctrinate kids so they can use them to perpetuate violence. Yet they will fall as it is written.

Now, when this antiChrist (counter fake of Jesus Christ or the devil incarnated) shall come he will deceive many accept Christians that knew these things and understood and believed. He will be hailed by many and they WILL receive his mark (doomed for eternal hell). His mark is not 666, the number means something like 666th president or an organization of 666 leaders, his mark is a mark of allegiance. He will NOT REGARD ANY RELIGION but he will make himself above all that is called god.

Now, many will forsake their religions and follow him and at that time only "Christianity (born agains) will be a threat to this guy. But any way rapture will happen and in about 3.5years Jesus will destroy him in Armageddon. And Jesus will return to rule with his saints (the born agains and righteous of the old testament), Then after a thousand years again there will be Satan deceiving people but will be destroyed.

Then, this is where all religions will meet. Remember you live once and then face judgment, no second chances after death.

All people even those who did not believe in Jesus will rise. Here I think if you did not have the MARK, you stand a chance to enter paradise because God will judge according to your intension but still, if you believe Jesus before, this judgment is not for you. The works of your intentions will be tested in fire. But we who accept Christ Jesus now are safe then!

So, according to me, what terrorist groups are doing is part of the prophesy and not a propaganda of the west. I am sorry to dissapoint those who believe in this propaganda and call some of us to be "sheeple". But truly I judge all disasters according to the prophesies in the Bible. He said, if you can look at the clouds and tell that rain is coming, then you should be able to know the times.

I dont despise Islam or Muslims, I just believe they may be the ones with an answer to terrorism, so that together we can solve the problem of the imperial west. You know how the "west or White are responsible for continuing impoverishment of my black people all over Africa. But we need peace not eye for eye. Amen

Peace JesusSonOfGod

There is only one religion. And thats submission to Gods, as you can see also in your Bible.
All these thing about the cross and the death of Jesus is all later inventions, made by the real antichrist Paul.

Have you ever crosschecked his references to the Scribtures. They are all taken from the Greek translation showing he couldn?t read the Hebrew Torah. Meaning he is not the Pharisee he claimed to be.

Also he referring to previous Scribtures telling that Christ should rise according to them. There are no so prophesies or Scriptures  except the Greek Myths which Paul knew very well since he was born Greek/Jewish.

Take for instead 1. Cor. 1.19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate... Paul  doesn't quote correct. Since he using the Greek translation. The Scripture says original Isah 29.14. "The wisdom of the wise will pass away". ( Nothing about " I will destroy ")

Hope God will direct us all.

QuoteI'm not denying islamophobia nor imperialism.  But I'm getting fed up with people crying wolve when there is none.  Islamophobia is fear, imperialism is a political strategy.

I'm convinced ISIS is not a false flag.  It's a proper sunni national movement establishing the idea of a caliphate that goes way back in their sunnah and hadith.  I don't see any external force at work.

These are thin lines. Use technical details to prove what you are saying.

Tell us how ISIS got the brand new toyota trucks. Have they bought Toyota?
Prove CIA and Mossad never helped the ISIS in Iraq with guns.

QuoteI disagree with the 'islamophobia" or false flag. The boys were poisoned by extremist. The poisoning is done by indoctrinating them about making the imperialist pay for thier sins, this is true.

What you agree with is none of my business. I am not even gonna tell you to prove anything. As I said earlier, your lies broke my trust few weeks ago.

QuoteI do not presume to be a seer, I don't need to for it, but on the 18th of december I wrote something in my facebood under the heading: Are we ready? And I announced that there would be terrorists attacks such those that have happened because in Europe, certain European institutions and even states were turning to approve of Palestine.

Later, I forgot about my writing that, but somebody else picked it up after the terrorist attacks or false flags by other name. It is out of a manual, what they do, and shaytanic, enemies of the humanity and the peoples.

And criminal netaniahu marhing in Paris defending freedom of speech... that is a much better joke than anything ever appeared on the Charlie magazine.

May God help us.


Salaam

Perhaps, it was your 6th sense that got the signal of what was about to happen. Lol, I just read about Netaniayhu. He was an uninvited guest.  :rotfl: He was told directly to not come. Yet he did.

Quote from: runninglikezebras on January 12, 2015, 10:54:42 AM
I'm not denying islamophobia nor imperialism.  But I'm getting fed up with people crying wolve when there is none.  Islamophobia is fear, imperialism is a political strategy.

I'm convinced ISIS is not a false flag.  It's a proper sunni national movement establishing the idea of a caliphate that goes way back in their sunnah and hadith.  I don't see any external force at work.

And others are getting fed up with deliberate idiocy and blindness no matter what, but not any blindness opnly tht blindness that brands whole peoples and idiots or eveil or savages.

Disguise racism and bigotism behind accusations of conspiranoia is not something thatg proves anything. You keep enjoying your racism and prejudices.

Still chirlai and the supermarket and the 11s and the 11m and Bali and 7 july and so many others are false flags and police in all those countries KNOW IT.

And you are a conspiranoic but you without proof. You trust people that are bacwards and murdered and invaded and genocided with any allpowerful means for doing whatever, but you are unable to see the lies of the very same rulers that have admittedly lied and are proved to have been lying .

You are too gullible to be true. That is, I cannot escape the impression that you are playing dumb.

It worth THINKING about, keep your eyes and ears open...

Just one month ago, France set off a stampede when its lower house voted to recognize Palestine. Now Palestine is in the International Criminal Court, poised to take down Israel for genocide. Suddenly "Islamic terror strikes France." Is Paris being punished for its pro-Palestine vote?

http://rt.com/news/208187-israel-france-grave-mistake/

In late 2013, Malaysia's Kuala Lumpur Tribunal found Israel guilty of genocide. A few months later, Malaysian planes started falling out of the sky.

In 2011, Norway's Labor Party's youth wing was poised to impose a complete blockade on Israel. Suddenly the entire leadership of the Party's youth wing was slaughtered in a professional operation falsely attributed to a lone nut, Ander Breivik




what do you think Sis reel?

Quote from: syyiam on January 13, 2015, 09:37:55 AM
It worth THINKING about, keep your eyes and ears open...

Just one month ago, France set off a stampede when its lower house voted to recognize Palestine. Now Palestine is in the International Criminal Court, poised to take down Israel for genocide. Suddenly "Islamic terror strikes France." Is Paris being punished for its pro-Palestine vote?

http://rt.com/news/208187-israel-france-grave-mistake/

In late 2013, Malaysia's Kuala Lumpur Tribunal found Israel guilty of genocide. A few months later, Malaysian planes started falling out of the sky.

In 2011, Norway's Labor Party's youth wing was poised to impose a complete blockade on Israel. Suddenly the entire leadership of the Party's youth wing was slaughtered in a professional operation falsely attributed to a lone nut, Ander Breivik




what do you think Sis reel?

I was not fully aware of the International Criminal Court situation. I am glade you brought it up. I did extract some points using the news articles. You can analyze them here http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607145.0

Quote from: runninglikezebras on January 12, 2015, 07:01:21 AM
You will find it hard finding many others.

Isn't that the point? They would be doing a terrible job if they were constantly easy to find widespread examples, especially when the media is controlled strongly by the governments who are doing the acts.