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Syria chemical attack
« on: April 06, 2017, 05:36:59 PM »
I read this article today and was very sad to read.. What happened in Khan Sheikhun recently was completely barbaric and outrageous and that certain countries are still allowed to own chemical weapons when they should have been banned everywhere completely after WW2 shows how little countries care about preventing these kind of attacks and the fact that they are being used on civilians shows how cowardly some people (i.e. the criminals behind the attack) can be.. Who do you believe was behind the recent chemical attack? In the article there's a video of were Trump is giving a speech of where he pretends to care about the victims in Syria even though he has banned Syrian refugees from entering the US completely while he improves ties with the regime that's known for its war crimes and Russia

"The Syrian foreign minister has set out conditions for any UN investigation into the deaths of dozens of people from a chemical agent on Tuesday.

Walid Muallem told the BBC it would have to be non-political, involve "many countries" and "start from Damascus" before his government could accept.

He denied Syria had dropped chemical weapons from the air, despite facing widespread scepticism.

The UN children's fund has confirmed that at least 27 children were killed.

Russia, one of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's few allies, was challenged by the US and UK at the UN Security Council on Wednesday when it sought to argue the mass poisoning had been caused by the rebels' own chemical weapons.

Washington has hinted it might change its policy towards Syria in response to the deaths.

What do we know about the deaths?

Warplanes attacked Khan Sheikhoun, about 50km (30 miles) south of the city of Idlib, early on Tuesday, when many people were asleep, witnesses and activists say.


Two US military officials told NBC News that Syrian fixed-wing aircraft had been seen on US radar dropping bombs on a hospital in an area of Idlib "where al-Nusra Front operates".

Al-Nusra, which formerly had ties to al-Qaeda, changed its name to Jabhat Fateh al-Sham before merging with other groups this year to become Hayat Tahrir al-Sham.

The opposition-run health directorate in Idlib province says at least 84 people, including 27 children and 19 women, were killed. Another 546 people were injured, many of whom remain in a serious condition.

Evidence has mounted that the victims were killed with a nerve agent such as Sarin.

Medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) said its staff had treated eight patients brought to a hospital on the Turkish border whose symptoms were consistent with such exposure.

Turkish Foreign Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Thursday that autopsies had confirmed that chemical weapons were used.


What is the Assad government's position?

Foreign Minister Muallem told BBC Arabic that the Syrian government would, together with Russia, consider accepting an investigation mandated by the UN Security Council, if its conditions were met.

Speaking separately at a news conference, he accused jihadist groups not party to a ceasefire brokered by Russia and Turkey of storing "chemical weapons in urban and residential areas".

The Russian military confirmed on Wednesday that the Syrian air force had launched air strikes in the Khan Sheikhoun area but said they had hit a rebel depot full of chemical munitions.

How plausible is the Russian version of events?

Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commanding officer of the British Armed Forces Joint Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear Regiment, told the BBC it was "pretty fanciful".
"Axiomatically, if you blow up Sarin, you destroy it," he said.

"It's very clear it's a Sarin attack. The view that it's an al-Qaeda or rebel stockpile of Sarin that's been blown up in an explosion, I think is completely unsustainable and completely untrue."
Hasan Haj Ali, commander of the Free Idlib Army rebel group, told Reuters news agency: "Everyone saw the plane while it was bombing with gas."

Will America intervene?

Mr Trump said on Wednesday: "My attitude towards Syria and Assad has changed very much... You're now talking about a whole different level."
However, he gave no details.

On Thursday Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said so-called Islamic State (IS) had to be defeated before Mr Assad left power.

"The process by which Assad would leave is something that I think requires an international community effort both to first defeat Isis [an old acronym for IS] within Syria, to stabilise the Syrian country, to avoid further civil war and then to work collectively with our partners around the world for a political process that would lead to Assad leaving," he said.

Asked if he and President Trump would organise an international coalition to "remove Assad", he replied, "Those steps are under way."

The statements came only days after the US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, said the US no longer prioritised the removal of President Assad - a shift in US policy from the Obama era.

Mr Trump has been promising a new strategy for Syria and Iraq and there have been some increases in troop numbers but this latest development will increase the pressure for more decisive action, the BBC's Gary O'Donoghue reports from Washington.

Has Assad used chemical weapons before?

The Syrian government was accused by Western powers of firing rockets filled with Sarin at Ghouta, Damascus, killing hundreds of people in August 2013.

President Assad denied the charge, blaming rebel fighters, but he did subsequently agree to destroy Syria's chemical arsenal.

Despite that, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has continued to document the use of toxic chemicals in attacks in Syria.

What are the chances of peace?

More than 250,000 people have been killed in Syria's civil war and, after more than six years, no political solution to the fighting is in sight.

A nationwide cessation of hostilities brokered by Russia and Turkey at the end of last year does not apply to Hayat Tahrir al-Sham and IS, or US-backed Kurdish fighters.

The UN humanitarian adviser on Syria, Jan Egeland, has called for a 77-hour ceasefire in order to deliver aid to besieged areas.

"A war where children suffocate to death because of toxic chemicals is a very, very dirty war," he said."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39517960


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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2017, 07:24:17 PM »
Uhmm no offense but your source is BBC
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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2017, 09:09:46 PM »
Which source would you prefer? RT?
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2017, 04:26:44 AM »
Politics is dirty.
It's very clear that the opposition planted the chemical weapons to be struck by regime so the US can get an excuse to do something.
3 key notes:
1. Regime is "winning" the war, using chemical weapons makes absolutely no sense.
2. The US doesn't want the opposition to lose (it's more of a proxy war, resembling Iran-Iraq war where US backed both sides to weaken them).
3. The regime knows very well the consequences of chemical weapons.

It's odd that regime has been pounding civilians non-stop in Hama/Idlib, killing women and children too, and there was no or very little coverage on the media by the US or European countries. Suddenly, a chemical attack makes the Western media go hysterical.

Today we know why this chemical attack happened:
As a retaliation attack, the US navy fired 59 tomahawk missiles that struck Shayrat airbase (the main airbase from which the regime attacks Hama/Idlib). Now the airbase is out of use, for now.

So the only explanation is that the US wants to slow down or completely stop regime gains in northern Hama. Without proper air force, it will be hard for regime to move forward.


God-willing this war ends and the people realize they're being used by external powers  :nope:

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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2017, 06:42:57 AM »
Which source would you prefer? RT?
Oh please BBC is like the FOXNEWS of the UK
There are absolutely better options

I completely agree with Submitter
US actions have shown that it does not care about the welfare of Syrian civilians
1. When Trump denied refugees entrance in the US
2. By attacking Syria's government they are aiding the terrorists who use people as human shields, disguise as white helmets etc...
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 07:34:04 AM »
people have to take the bait so that the next day they bombard a syrian base easy.

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 09:35:07 AM »
Which source would you prefer? RT?

+1 This is a very good question and I'm curious to this too.

Oh please BBC is like the FOXNEWS of the UK
There are absolutely better options

I completely agree with Submitter
US actions have shown that it does not care about the welfare of Syrian civilians
1. When Trump denied refugees entrance in the US
2. By attacking Syria's government they are aiding the terrorists who use people as human shields, disguise as white helmets etc...

You didin't really answer her question. What exactly in this article do you disagree with? And what source would you prefer? Please don't tell me sources like RT which version I just read recently and it provides a more biased version for the regime and quotes European right-wing clowns like Le pen who hates Syrian refugees and Muslims just like Trump. Some while ago several pro-regime newschannels (including RT) was praising Trump during his elections. Yes I was pointing that out in my post that Trump doesn't care about the welfare of Syrian civilians with his ban on Syrian refugees as an example and some time ago he decided to improve relations with Assad. He's not really attacking Syria because he cares about the victims but rather because he wants to improve further relations with countries like Saudi-Arabia, Jordan, Israel and even Turkey so he can get more funding from them. Trump is a warmongerer no doubt about it but doesn't mean that Assad is any better. IMO it's better to oppose all sides in Syria (including Trump and Assad, theyre both evil and are bombing civilians)

The article is talking about a chemical attack in Syria, you can find plenty of other articles that are talking about this too.



It's very clear that the opposition planted the chemical weapons to be struck by regime so the US can get an excuse to do something.
3 key notes:
1. Regime is "winning" the war, using chemical weapons makes absolutely no sense.
2. The US doesn't want the opposition to lose (it's more of a proxy war, resembling Iran-Iraq war where US backed both sides to weaken them).
3. The regime knows very well the consequences of chemical weapons.

Point 1 and 3 is wrong IMO so I disagree with those points, just because the regime is winning in some fronts doesn't mean that it wouldn't resort to using chemical weapons. Some time ago I used to think this too but one thing I've learned from the regime perspective is that they will want to end the war as quickly as possible (because delay means more causilities and use of resources for them, something they can't afford anymore hence their use of foreign mercenaries) and they only see winning as a solution and they will resort to using cowardly warcrimes like indiscriminate shelling (and most likely chemical weapons too) because it speeds up their 'winning' and the way they justify their killing of civilians is by labeling all of them as 'terrorist-supporters'. Also I wouldn't say the regime is winning or maybe they are but pretty slowly, having followed news in some cities the regime often recaptures a point but then quickly loses another one so most of the times they actually get brought back to square one again. In response to your point 3, just because the regime knows the consquences doesn't mean it cares especially now when Russia is protecting it. That's not the only reason but when Trump became president he actually did improve relations with dictator like Assad so Assad could have thought that now when the US is friendlier he can resort to these things and get away with it easier etc.. Point is you can't really draw any conclusions yet. If you want to know what I think, I think both sides have used chemical weapons in Syria. Some while ago Assad was saying to the world that he wasn't using barrel bombs and still there are videos of helicopters dropping barrel bombs on civilians so the regime is very good at propaganda.

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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2017, 07:30:55 AM »
Yeah about that first thing your curious about me and bunny food have this thing where she ignores what I say and I ignores what she says so...yeah carrots can't speak so anyway...

I think you have some very interesting points, however I am afraid your views might be a teeny more biased than you might think.

I doubt the recent chemical attack was intended by the president of Syria. Your reason for thinking the opposite is dubious yet you hold to it due to the bias from your sources
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2017, 08:56:17 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2017, 09:21:37 AM »
Peace, the American Christian war machine makes excuses/propaganda to
sell or use weapons to further its agenda.

1. The Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam) accusation that the U.S. navy was attacked.   :nope:

2.  Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.   :nope:

3.  The U.S. attacked the country of Afghanistan and killed 25,000
     civilians because one person resided there.   :wow

4.  Assad's accusers are liars, back in 2013, to prevent from being
     attacked he turned over his chemical weapons, why on earth
    would he commit such a foolish act already knowing the
    consequences that were before him with a lunatic at the
    helm like Donald trump, Makes no sense!    :nope:

I could go on but I have to Go. 



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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2017, 01:01:00 PM »
So if your are killed, maimed, destroyed, tortured by weapons that are not chemical you happen to be less dead, maimed, destroyed or tortured than if you are by chemical weapons?

Countries are destroyed and undone one after the other in orde to be redeemed by halal kinds of weapons, so they ar elucky, I mean like afgaanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Libia, Palestine.

I really feel like we are machines with bttons, ush this button you get angre and become very moral and want to jedge everybody whho doe this or does that, if the button is not  pushed, no mtter what happens, you do nothing nor get angry...

We just should know who are our entitled button pushers in orde to get angry the halal or kosher way.

Long live kosher weapons!

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2017, 02:56:39 PM »
Sister huruf, I know it is a sad and serious situation but your post made me smile.

It seems some special kind of humans have the right to kill( halal killing) in the name of their "justice"!!!!

Their "halal killing" of innocent people including women and children that we  should turn a blind eye to while the majority are taken for a ride and believe it is justified is a smart game played by "big shayateen" under the guise of democracy and free world.

In the name od decency people ,when are we going to wake up and condemn all killings,the "halal and haram ones".There is no right or wrong side, killing humans  should stop from all sides.

I know ,I am wasting my time . Oh well ,never mind....Like the saying goes:
" The clever ones will try to change the world,the wise ones will work at changing  themselves"

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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2017, 08:37:53 PM »
Politics is dirty.
It's very clear that the opposition planted the chemical weapons to be struck by regime so the US can get an excuse to do something.
3 key notes:
1. Regime is "winning" the war, using chemical weapons makes absolutely no sense.
2. The US doesn't want the opposition to lose (it's more of a proxy war, resembling Iran-Iraq war where US backed both sides to weaken them).
3. The regime knows very well the consequences of chemical weapons.


It's odd that regime has been pounding civilians non-stop in Hama/Idlib, killing women and children too, and there was no or very little coverage on the media by the US or European countries. Suddenly, a chemical attack makes the Western media go hysterical.

Today we know why this chemical attack happened:
As a retaliation attack, the US navy fired 59 tomahawk missiles that struck Shayrat airbase (the main airbase from which the regime attacks Hama/Idlib). Now the airbase is out of use, for now.

So the only explanation is that the US wants to slow down or completely stop regime gains in northern Hama. Without proper air force, it will be hard for regime to move forward.


God-willing this war ends and the people realize they're being used by external powers  :nope:

Salam
I agree with the irrationality you highlighted there. It doesn't make sense for Assad to do something like that. Even Russia's explanation falls flat. Such chemical is not kept just in any place like they are saying.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2017, 11:38:49 PM »
Sister huruf, I know it is a sad and serious situation but your post made me smile.

It seems some special kind of humans have the right to kill( halal killing) in the name of their "justice"!!!!

Their "halal killing" of innocent people including women and children that we  should turn a blind eye to while the majority are taken for a ride and believe it is justified is a smart game played by "big shayateen" under the guise of democracy and free world.

In the name od decency people ,when are we going to wake up and condemn all killings,the "halal and haram ones".There is no right or wrong side, killing humans  should stop from all sides.

I know ,I am wasting my time . Oh well ,never mind....Like the saying goes:
" The clever ones will try to change the world,the wise ones will work at changing  themselves"

GOD bless you sister.
Peace.

Thank you Goood logic.

Yes unfortunately we live in a noisy world, where the noise of was are not just the noise of the weapons but what the drummers and trumpeters make of them even when they are not there. We live surrounded y noise and push buttn noise. Too noisy for us to be balanced, objective and even compassionate.

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2017, 01:22:19 AM »

I know ,I am wasting my time . Oh well ,never mind....Like the saying goes:
" The clever ones will try to change the world,the wise ones will work at changing  themselves"


As much as I agree with that quote, I believe it is only rational that if one group of people is breaking things another group should fix them.
I wonder what it would take to make such thing happen.

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2017, 02:49:58 AM »
It stands to logic that if there is a party that wants something broken, that party is not going to allow that somebody else makes it unbroken. To destroy you do not need anybody's agreement. It is to build that you need agreement.

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2017, 02:09:10 AM »
Of course they're not going to let anyone undo what they do, but that doesn't really matter.
I guess it's only the power hungry ones, money seekers and ambitious scumbags who managed to take that power with their hand and use it for their advantage, they dared to take it and they took it.
I wonder what it would take to have such power without having those traits of character. And use it to serve what is best for everyone.
Or is it supposed to be like this ? Oppressors and oppressed. Maybe such power isn't made for the good ones.

 Is weakness made for the good and innocent ones or is it for the passive cowards ?

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2017, 02:26:11 AM »
Was there some humble/fair people in power?
Let us say Abraham,Moses,Jesus,Mohammed...They stood their ground and would not compromise the truth...Or could we say they did it with GOD s help.
Now what about Gandhi?
Of course one should never be a passive coward? Why?
Simply one has to walk and talk his true conviction but with wisdom and good /careful planning/peaceful means!!! Easier said?
Those around you have to see /feel your determination to see/live justice and fairness prevail. Even if you are shouting in the wilderness.
May the Lord give us the courage to help/support and defend  the oppressed.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2017, 03:33:06 AM »
I thin this world is the way it is because it should be so.

The Qur'an tells us something in the snese that Gd's checks the bad one with other bad ones, that is, bad ones are a check for thheir own kind.

In one of the gospels also we are told that the bad plants grow with the good ones because if we uproot the bad ones, we irsk uprooting the good ones with them.

That is, hhumans are here,and the whole creation is there to be purified, so our task should be that, become purer and purer, that is a dialectical (for want of a better word) existence. we checkourseves against some ideal, and we try to get closer to that ideal, of course we will not get to it 100% in this world, but there is also no imit to how much we may improve and in that improvement we re pushed or helped by good and bad people and in between one way or the other. So we do need htis world, such as it is.

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2017, 02:10:25 PM »
Those who do anything to get their way are the ones who reach the top layers of power in this world. These people don't give an inkling to what's right and righteous. What rules most people is greed and power-lust, for people are totally entranced and hypnotized by this material world. Therefore, political, especially international politics, is mostly strategy and power games, and of course, hypocrisy.

All talk in politics about justice is just BS. No-one really cares about justice. Things happen when it suits people. If people feel a need to go to war, then a suitable excuse is brought forth... pulled out from the sleeve. There are always plenty of valid reasons available, but they are only highlighted when required. There are always injustices and horrible things going on all over the world... but nobody cares... unless it becomes convenient to bring attention to some situation. People make use of situations to benefit their own agenda. Excuses and hypocrisy.

Media is extremely myopic and narrow-sighted, and people actually think media presents a fair and realistic picture of the world. No, the real world is both much worse and much better than what the limited media makes us believe. Rather, real life is so much more complex than our minds would like to agree to, so we happily swallow the simplistic snapshots that media provide.

Basically, human beings are first class hypocrites and self centered liars, and of course single minded sheep.
The world is what it is because of our minds, and that we are hypnotized by the material surface of this life.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2017, 10:46:48 AM »
It stands to logic that if there is a party that wants something broken, that party is not going to allow that somebody else makes it unbroken. To destroy you do not need anybody's agreement. It is to build that you need agreement.

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spicer accidentally says trump trying to destabilize the middle east region, accidentally for the second time.

Nowadays the US is ruled by jokers, in contrast to the real Joker these ones are extremely dumb and have access to some serious weapons, which makes them even more dangerous than The Joker.


edit: sorry copy pasted the title without really reading it, he said "destabilize the region".
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2017, 11:14:49 AM »
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi al-alameen

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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2017, 11:44:02 AM »
Assad was set up, just like in 2013. Remember that failed vote at Westminster to strike assad? Do the math.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2017, 12:58:28 PM »
Assad was set up, just like in 2013. Remember that failed vote at Westminster to strike assad? Do the math.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2017, 01:27:36 PM »
The world is a  stage. Everything that appears has already been scripted before.


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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2017, 07:10:34 PM »
everybody is playing their role.. like the one who develop weapons/arms/bomb.. for making it useful they must create a ring or battlefield so that they can sell their products ..

becoz if they dnt sell it , from where they will feed their kids and the people who are working with them as assistant

most of the times these battle fields are paksitan(for suicide products) iraq/afghanistan for practicing the quality of arms..

and in their own homes the rules for everything is very impressive and strict

they dnt even bother about african people who are suffering from food/shelter and even their lives..intrestingly now they closed the borders on other words the innocent viewers of battlefield/ring is blocked by upside down...  :(

becox these immigrants are load for them..

what a wonderful world and what a wonderful caretakers(america,europe)  :bravo:

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2017, 11:52:48 PM »
whats next?
US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan

Really is this necessary to feedanybody's kids?

The stage is necessary only for power insane magnatesnot for people feeding anybody.

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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2017, 08:59:51 PM »
now the next installment is on north korea..

i think its the hint of world war 3

the sudden brexit and donald trump presidency is something mysterious.. first world war started 1914 now its almost a century ,world is asking for world war 3 ..

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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2017, 10:44:51 PM »
Basically, human beings are first class hypocrites and self centered liars, and of course single minded sheep.

Agree.. and it applies to ALL human being.. including you, me, him and her..

Maybe as time progresses, human will grow wiser...


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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2017, 04:07:30 AM »
This posting is not meant to upset anyone as I know views are very polarized on this issue.  These are my personal opinions.

It is a red herring that Syria is being attacked in a 3rd popular Zionist crusade by the West in its lackeys, the so called ISIS moderate terrorists backed by Saudi Arabia and allied with Israel and the US/UK.

Whether Asad is a monster or not is irrelevant - not one bombed my country (UK) to help us get rid of a illegal war criminal called Blair - heck, people's apathy to killing of non-white people is so strong they just voted in the Conservatives here in the UK - who incidentally run on an unofficial rumor that they would help the US bomb Syria.  They are doing the same in the general election and it bodes badly.  Its seems there isn't a single country I feel comfortable living in on this planet...

Bad stuff happens everywhere as some have suggested - but there is bad stuff and bad stuff that is deliberately created as a political tool.

For example, look at the the Saudi rulers whose version of "Islam" keeps women in bin bags and who are put in power by the West!

Look at Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq etc - all the countries that the US is complicit i attacking with big bombs - to destroy any hope of infrastructure and to put them a hundred years behind time so even if they wanted to develop, they are left with Saudi-Inspired ISIS to impose their Fascist, schizophrenically Western-supported version of "Islam".

The West created the monsters in the Middle East and other such countries to keep those countries so preoccupied and addicted to vengeance through "religion" that those countries were never meant to be allowed to develop their infrastructure.  It seems that the Zionist Crusading world is focusing on Turkey next!

Iran is a strange example - not something I really espouse or admire so much especially as an "Islamic" country, but at least Ahmadinejad led a humble life unlike the big Caesar-cum Ayatollah who sits on the throne - as for the mistranslated rhetoric Ahmadinejad had on the Jewish/Zionist peoples, I have scientific data that can quell any misunderstandings that people have.  Ie, the current people who dwell in Israel are not semitic at all - they are Europeans who have invaded a small part of the Arabian peninsula.

Its a bit like racism - I know that black/brown people are racist towards white people just as much as white people are racist towards black/brown people. 
But in my opinion if someone is being bad (or in this case racist - or replace that with violence if you want) - anyway, if they are being bad from a position of power and with the ability to create a dangerous precedence, they are worse - which could be either black/brown or white people - although in the 21st century is definitely falls on the white part of this family here! 

I don't think humans will grow wiser.  We are imperfect hateful little things and this is why this is Earth and there is the concept of Paradise under the sovereignty of God.

Sorry for letting off so much steam in one post - but whats going on around the world is really bad. 
The result is hatred and violence by one party against another. 
Meanwhile the White Zionist/Christian world sits as a beacon that we are all supposed to aspire to because all Muslims and "dark" people are inherently evil..... yeah right!

The only silver lining is that the great white, alt-delete, hope, Trump represents this superior civilization....  I don;t like emoticons that much but  :rotfl:

Sorry if anything (or everything) came across a bit to tangy...

Peace to all.
Ed


 
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good logic

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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2017, 04:32:44 AM »
Peace Ed.
You sound like someone sincere who is trying to study and interpret the Qoran stance of justice to all.
Keep it up. You will find that only GOD s system is and has the truth, because GOD Alone is the truth.
So wait, we too are waiting, the truth will arrive as the day of "taghabun",the day of justice ,the day of annexing this earth to GOD s kingdom and system.
"Wa waylun llikafireen" on that day. " Wa waylun llimujrimeen" on that day. "Wa waylun to all other systems" on that day.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2017, 05:41:59 AM »
Peace good logic,

Many Thanks for your kind post.

Earth and this lower life has lots of evil but also lots of beauty yet it is so lonely here without God. 
Of course humans are social animals so we do need other human interaction too - as much as anyone denies it.

I find myself like many, in two cultures - ignoring the self-importance and self-indulgence of both, but trying to make each see that there are really no winners and losers because we are all one race - humans.

Unfortunately, its always the "race" that is in power that tends to feel superior to others - and fatal too...

One thing is for sure, it is a God-send to find a community of people on Freeminds - who ask and discuss questions that I have always thought of - I know many posters do not agree - but as long as there is no bad intent towards each other, it is refreshing to discuss.

May God bless you too and all of us!

PS: sorry my Arabic really is in its infancy....

Salam
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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2017, 06:20:32 AM »
Thank you Ed.
As far as Arabic is concerned,"Alkafireen= Those who cover the truth-Disbelievers-, Mujrimeen= Those who oppress their fellow humans-Corrupters of the earth and of course there should be only one system-GOD s system-.
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Re: Syria chemical attack
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2017, 02:43:12 PM »
Thanks for the translation and Salam good logic.
Ed
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