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Started by imrankhawaja, November 01, 2016, 10:27:54 AM

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Pietstryd

Nicely done Noon.
Obviously I wont address 5 points on this thread.
Allow me to answer one today, and as I have to leave in a few minutes we can continue with the others during the weekend.
Jesus cited the Shemah.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Quote from: Hebraic Roots BibleHear, O Israel, YAHWEH our Elohim is YAHWEH echad.
and as you most propably dont know, the Shema is an attestation of the Trinity!

Look:
Hear oh Israel!
YHWH
our Elohim(PLURAL=eg. Gods)
is YHWH
ONE!

Wow!
Why on earth did the Jews not write YHWH Eloa YHWH echad?
They spoke this verse every day, and never changed the fact that YHWH is gods, but one YHWH?

Do you perhaps know why the jews never changed this Elohim to Eloha?
This was the reason why the Jews accepted Jesus as God when he said He and the Father are one!
QuoteJoh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Joh 10:28 And I give eternal life to them, and they shall not perish forever! And not anyone shall snatch them out of My hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch out of My Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are One ?!
Joh 10:31 Then again the Jews took up stones, that they might stone Him.

You see, this is why the first Christians accepted Jesus as God. He identified Himself as one with the Father, YHWH!

What do you think of the Shema now?
Did you know this before I showed it to you now?

Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Pietstryd on July 21, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Nicely done Noon.
Obviously I wont address 5 points on this thread.
Allow me to answer one today, and as I have to leave in a few minutes we can continue with the others during the weekend.
Jesus cited the Shemah.
Deuteronomy 6:4and as you most propably dont know, the Shema is an attestation of the Trinity!

Look:
Hear oh Israel!
YHWH
our Elohim(PLURAL=eg. Gods)
is YHWH
ONE!

Check before posting...

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/deuteronomy/6-4.htm

"Hear,   שְׁמַ֖ע   she?ma      
O Israel!   יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל   yis?ra?'el
The LORD   יְהוָ֥ה   Yah?weh
is our God,   אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ   e?lo?hei?nu   
the LORD   יְהוָ֥ה   Yah?weh   
is one!   אֶחָֽד   e?chad

Not gods (pl.) rather god ours (pl) i.e. refers to people or "39:46 قل say اللهم the god ours" in Arabic.

Peace!



Pietstryd

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on July 21, 2017, 09:22:43 AM
Check before posting...

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/deuteronomy/6-4.htm

"Hear,   שְׁמַ֖ע   she?ma      
O Israel!   יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל   yis?ra?'el
The LORD   יְהוָ֥ה   Yah?weh
is our God,   אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ   e?lo?hei?nu   
the LORD   יְהוָ֥ה   Yah?weh   
is one!   אֶחָֽד   e?chad

Not gods (pl.) rather god ours (pl) i.e. refers to people or "39:46 قل say اللهم the god ours" in Arabic.

Peace!

No, you read wrong:
Quote from:  from your own citation
is our God,   אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ   e?lo?hei?nu   430   God, god   pl. of eloah

Did you see?
Plural of Eloah!
Please ensure that you understand grammar before attempting to prove me wrong!

Here we have the best evidence of how you were kept in the dark by your Muslim scholars.
You were taught that the Shemah speaks about one person god, whilst it actually spoke about a plurality of persons within the One God!

I proved to you that your argument dont display Allah, but a Trinity!



Makaveli

Quote from: Pietstryd on July 24, 2017, 02:54:09 AM
Go to this short article, and read about the Shema

Discussion of plurality of God, including 'We' in the Quran, is the age old, and frankly, you won't explain Elohim phenomenon, you just won't (unless you thoroughly study ALL religions, including Hindu). And don't even try to explain it from the dull Trinity position, don't waste your time.
براتىشكا و فايحوشى

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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Pietstryd on July 24, 2017, 02:46:52 AM
No, you read wrong:
Did you see?
Plural of Eloah!
Please ensure that you understand grammar before attempting to prove me wrong!

Peace, please learn basic Semitic language stuff before posting nonsense; it's similar to Arabic...

رب rabbi/lord
ربك rabbika/lord your (singular)
ربنا rabbanā/lord ours (plural)

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_430.htm

e?lo?hei (god) nu  (ours pl)