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Started by progod, January 19, 2005, 08:47:58 AM

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progod

CHECK OUT:

//WWW.PROGOD.ORG

I would like for everyone to check out this site fully. It has been revamped several times but this is the last major one that it will every see. God willing.

This site offers answers and guidelines on the issues of:

Pilgrimage
&
Ramadan
&
Koranic Law

It has been made very general for a general audience. I would appreciate an informed article on Prayer for those of you who believe in praying twice a day per the Koran and know that it does not matter what the position as long as one is kneeling or bowing.

Though inadequate in a lot of ways it is intented to be the face of the movement that comes about from embracing the Koran as God's guidance wholeheartedly.

As its author I can say that I have not given it enough attention or tuned it to where it needs to be to attract more people. But what I have there is definitely the wave of the future and the true essence of what this movement is all about.

Godbless,
Anwar
The Quranists Must Rise!

[url="http://www.quranists.com"]http://www.quranists.com[/url]

Edip Yuksel

Brother Anwar.

I visited your site briefly. It is a very good start, and inshallah you will improve it with time.

I have some little suggestions:

1. Centralize the home page.

2. Add the word ALLAH or KHODA, and ELOHIM, ... too to the definition of God.

3. Use Quran rather than Koran, since it distinguishes the first letter more accurately.

4. Enlarge the width of the first column a bit and reduce the size and the distance of titles of articles, so that people are not forced to hold their mouse all the time to see the titles...

and finally:

5. Cut the Muhammadun Rasulullah part of the declaration. If you are promoting the idea of uniting around the idea of dedicating ourselves to the service of God alone, then you should be more careful about such a declaration, whichd does not exist in the Quran as it is. It implies that God is not enough, that Muhammad IS still a messenger of God, and discriminates among other messengers of islam.

Peace,
Edip
Edip Yuksel, J.D.
www.yuksel.org
www.19.org
Each of us must use our own mind in pursuit of knowledge. (17:36; 10:100; 39:17-18; 41:53; 42:21; 6:114-116; 10:36; 12:111; 20:114; 21:7; 35:28; 38:29).

progod

God bless,

I will include Allah and Elohim. What is Khoda?

What do you mean by Centralize the page.

I'd rather use the English spelling of the word Quran, as it is easier to understand and pronounce for English-speakers.

You have to hold the mouse to see the titles? How is that? Contact me personally and let me know abou this problem.

I chose to do that on purpose, in order to attract Muslims. However the rendering/understanding of muhammadarasulallah is not 'Muhammad is God's messenger' as you can see right were I translated the rendering below the Arabic. You didn't see that?

Thanks and God bless,
Anwar
The Quranists Must Rise!

[url="http://www.quranists.com"]http://www.quranists.com[/url]

progod

Peaace all,

My dream is ProGod.org can really become an organization that spearheads the movement of promoting the message of the Koran and an organization that houses the Koranist community within which it practices koranic principles and brings people under its wing into the the Koranic way through sound knowledge and study of the Koran. I really would like for proGod to be the representative of the Koranist movement and an organization that empowers and brings together into a unified collective koranists all over the world. I'm not interested in taking over countries, armed movements and so forth. What I am interested in is in the organization becoming self-sufficient, healthy, self-sustaining and a financial power house so that it can wield power not through guns but through funds (funding promotions of the Koranic way, and exposing the truth about the Koranic way). As well as funding the proper and advanced education of koranists now and future koranists all over the world.

Right now free-minds is a battle of ideas about the Koran and about divine inspiration and valid sources to interpret divine inspiration. Unfortuntately the root of the misunderstanding of all this is:

1. People do not understand that the authors of lexicons and dictionaries of the Cl. Arabic language are not in competiton with the Koran's true message. They are not the hadeeth. Theya re the means by which we understand the language that the Koran is in.

2. There is much confusion about how to distinguish the Arabic that the Koran uses which some mistakenly call 'Koranic Arabic' as if the Koran uses a dialect of its own invention from other Arabics and what these Arabics are. Furthermore no one (except for me of course) seems to have been able to concieve a theory of how to distinguish all of the different types of Arabics from the Classical Arabic of the Koran. I have done this but people only see me half way. They have not seen that all the while I have been saying that Classical Arabic lexicons will contain Arabic meanings of words that are not from the Koranic era. But as soon as the confused see this very phenomena they say OH you can 't trust the lexicons they are biased all together.

The fact that their only alternative is to start guessing at the meanings of words from context is bad enough. But all they have to do is listen to what I have been sayin all along. If a definition fo some Arabic word is not from the Pre-Islamic or Jahileeya era (which includes the Koranic era) then evidence for the post-koranic origin of the word can be seen, if not in one dictionary then in a more extensive one.
But all too often a person looks in ONE reputable dictionary doesn't see that evidence, despite the fact that their hunches may be right and rejects all Cl. Arabic dictionaries and lexicons as forgeries and falsehoods, despite the fact that they trust them on every other single word except for the words they are looking up. The fact that they are mainly reading translations (which use dictionaries) or working off of definitons of words that they were taught long ago (also indirectly by way of dictionaries) eludes them. They essential start arguing a point that if they truly followed would leave the Koran looking like a bunch of scribble scrabble1, and the language it uses sounding like a bunch of jibber-jabber and mumbo jumbo, because none of its words would have meaning.

Godbless,
ProGod
The Quranists Must Rise!

[url="http://www.quranists.com"]http://www.quranists.com[/url]

Wakas

peace brother Anwar,

I think your comments (points 1 & 2) are referring to a minority of people on the FM forum, or at least primarily not long-standing members. In any case, thats not what I want to talk about it.

You made a key point that I want to highlight as I too believe it truly is the way forward:

Quote from: "Anwar"brings people under its wing into the the Koranic way through sound knowledge and study of the Koran. I really would like for proGod to be the representative of the Koranist movement and an organization that empowers and brings together into a unified collective koranists all over the world

When we as indivinduals (and then collectively) realise empowerment is the key, and that spoon-feeding people is not the way forward (especially when considering thats the reason it got so bad!), then we can truly advance.
We should all ponder on examples in our own lives, when we excelled at something, and then ask: how did that occur? Therein lies the answer on how we should move forward.


Wakas
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

progod

Wakas,

It seems like point 1 & 2 are more rampant than you think from the post that I see, over and over again. If most of the people aren't writing post demonstrating these points they are writing post that say that these posts are true or contain groundbreaking points. It's more rampant than you think.

Godbless,
ProGod
The Quranists Must Rise!

[url="http://www.quranists.com"]http://www.quranists.com[/url]