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General Issues / Questions / Re: Lesson from Yousuf's story Ch 12
« on: December 27, 2020, 11:45:29 AM »
When I was a student, I had a Syrian teacher who taught us Arabic. He told us: "In French [or English], you must read first in order to understand. In Arabic, this is the converse, you must understand first in order to read".
But so like Arabic is Qur'an: you must understand what Qur'an says first in order to read it.

Salam,

Can you clarify on what I highlight in bold above? How can one understand Quran if he doesn't even read it to begin with?

What comes across my mind right now is Sunnis who never read Quran by themselves (and rely on religious leaders to form their beliefs - which turned out to be conjectures as the teachings are from sahih hadith books that are corrupted and unreliable). And even if they read Quran, since they already have preconceived beliefs, they "change" Quran to mean according to their beliefs rather than change their belief according to what Quran says.


Wassalam

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Okay so we all agree that Prophets bring new scriptures and messengers come to revive the message of the scriptures and All Prophets are messengers but not all messengers are Prophet; or do yall have different understanding of that ? I came to a certain verse :

And mention in the Book O Prophet, the story of Ishmael. He was truly a man of his word, and was a messenger and a prophet. Verse 19:54.

Regarding a nabi brings a new scripture, let's ponder on the following verses

[19:49] So when he abandoned them and what they served besides God, We granted him Isaac and Jacob, and each of them We made a  prophet.


Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob each has scripture?

[19:53] And We granted him from Our mercy his brother Aaron as a prophet.

Aaron and Moses each has scripture?

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Does that mean Ismail received his own scripture or does that mean Quran uses the word messenger and Prophet interchangeably Because as far as my knowledge goes Ismael followed the religion of his father, Ibrahim

Regarding interchangeability of the words rasul and nabi, let's ponder the following verse:

[22:52] And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, without having the devil interfere with his wishes. God then duplicates  what the devil has cast, and God secures His revelations. And  God is Knower, Wise.

Since in the same verse, the two words are used, I believe the words must have different signification.

The very same person can be mentioned as nabi and also as rasul depending on the signification that is being highlighted.

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Also i was discussing Quran with one of my friends and she believes that Isa as was just a messenger and he was also a jew. He didn't give any new teachings or law. He came to revive the teachings of torah. Unlike Prophet Muhammad who changed some laws as revealed by Allah ( for example punishment of adultery changed from stoning to death to 100 lashes ) Isa as brought no changes. He preached only torah. She believes Isa had no scripture, the word gospel refers to his revelations, which all messengers get and Gospel was not his book of new laws and new rules, it was his revelations and revivals of the Torah.

Some verses about Isa

[19:30] He said: “I am a servant of God, He has given me the Book and made me a prophet.”

[5:46] And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, affirming what was between his hands of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and affirming what was between his hands of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the  righteous.

[3:47] She said: “My Lord, how can I have a son when no mortal has been with me?” He said: “It is thus that God creates what He  wills, when He decrees a command, He merely says to it ‘Be,’ and  it is.”
[3:48] And He teaches him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.
[3:49] And as a messenger to the Children of Israel: “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; that I create for you from clay the  form of a bird, then I blow into it and it becomes a bird with the  permission of God, and I heal the blind and the lepers, and give  life to the dead with the permission of God, and I prophesize for  you what you shall eat and what to store in your homes. In that is  a sign for you if you are believers.”
[3:50] “And affirming what is between my hands of the Torah, and to make permissible some of that which was made forbidden to you;  and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be aware  of God and obey me.”

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General Issues / Questions / Re: I am going to apostate
« on: December 27, 2020, 10:32:41 AM »
I already mentioned two in my original post on this thread. One on human embryology and the other on geography. I have only referred him to Google in a bid to get him see there are alternative diverse and contradicting views on the infallibility of Qur'an.

I did try search on google "errors in the qur'an" and I got a lot of links.

It would be helpful if you can simply give the URL that you yourself are convinced that those are errors in Quran (one on human embryology and the other on geography). If the URL is a youtube video and contains a lot of claims, then help by mentioning starting time of the sections that you are convinced (unless you are convinced that all of the claims in the video are true errors in Quran).


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Archeology & History / Re: The Dzulqarnain Journey Verses Al Kahfi 18:83-98
« on: December 27, 2020, 10:05:16 AM »
Salam 4u2explore,

Please continue ...looking forward to hearing from you.


Wassalam,

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Most people will go to Hell
« on: December 27, 2020, 10:01:18 AM »
Salam,

[6:116] And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture,  and that is because they only guess.

Majority of people are following conjecture. Usually inherited from their parents.

Those who were born christians are following conjecture that Jesus is God.
Those who were born sunnis are following conjecture that Muhammad is God's partner.
Those who were born shias are following conjecture that imam Ali is God's partner.
Those who were born atheists are following conjecture that God does not exist and we will not be responsible for what we do in this world.

Futhermore, majority of people are not doing SALAT resulting in they cannot be warned.

[35:18] And no bearer may carry the burden of another. And if one who is weighed down by his load calls on another to carry it, no part  of it may be carried, even if it were a relative. You will only be  able to warn those who are concerned towards their Lord while unseen, and they aqim SALAT. And whoever contributes,  is contributing for himself. And to God is the final destiny.

Christians who are doing SALAT can be warned that Jesus is not God.
Sunnis who are doing SALAT can be warned that Muhammad is not God's partner.
Shias who are doing SALAT can be warned that imam Ali is not God's partner.
Atheists who are doing SALAT can be warned that God exists and we will be responsible for what we do in this world.

But since majority are not doing SALAT, christians stay christians, sunnis stay sunnis, shias stay shias, atheists stay atheists ...each following respective conjecture and cannot be warned.

At the end, they will be asked how they end up in hell:

[74:42] “What has caused you to be in the scorching heat?”
[74:43] They said: “We were not of those who do SALAT.”



Wassalam,

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality In Islam
« on: December 15, 2020, 08:47:06 PM »
Thank you for your first feedback. I cant even argue about it because i dont even know arabic (only know how to read it)
As for the second one, didn't these people not only raped the men of other nations, they used to practice all kind lewd acts with each other as well ? Lut as could be asking to save his family not only from the attack of the community but also from falling for the temptations of these disgusting acts ?.

Salam Sania,

I know about that "bal" particle from tools (I don't speak Arabic - if somebody is talking to me in Arabic I would not understand). Same as you, I can read Quran in Arabic without understanding (my sunni legacy).

These are the tools that I use for grammar related to verses in Quran:

https://corpus.quran.com/
https://www.personalquran.com

Using those tools, you can know whether the word is noun, verb, pronoun, particle, etc.


Wassalam

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Women's Issues / Re: WHY DO SECTARIANS ASK ME TO EXPLAIN QIRAAT?
« on: December 15, 2020, 08:22:37 PM »
Why is this such a common question by sectarians whenever they are trying to defend their hadiths? Why??? according to Wikipedia :

In Islam, Qira'at (also Qirā'ah) (Arabic: قِراءة‎, lit. 'recitations or readings') are "the different linguistic, lexical, phonetic, morphological and syntactical forms permitted with reciting the Quran".[1] Differences between Qira'at are slight and include differences in stops,[Note 1] vowels,[Note 2] letters,[Note 3] and but also sometimes entire words.[Note 4] (While called 'recitations or readings' or 'verbalizations', the Qira'at are not different ways of reading the same Quranic text, but (slightly) different texts of the Quran.[Note 5] They should not be confused with Tajwid, the rules of pronunciation, intonation, and caesuras of the Quran.)

I still donot get what Qiraat is and how hadiths explain Qiraat and why do these hadithians ask us to explain Qiraat. What does this have to do with following Quran?

Can anyone link me some of the articles and posts from this forum ? Thanm you. Peace ✌️

Salam Sania,

I believe Wakas has answered this question in another thread in case you missed it.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611206.msg431428#msg431428

I have also briefly mentioned my perspective in that thread (not directly related with Qiraat but almost always come up when people try to defend sahih hadith books by arguing rejecting sahih hadith books = rejecting Quran because they were passed down from the very same people)


Wassalam

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General Issues / Questions / Re: I am going to apostate
« on: December 15, 2020, 08:12:52 PM »
I didn't say the Qur'an is false. I said there are certain verses that haven't aged well, verses that our accumulated body of knowledge contradict or do not verify. Now, as Muslims we may insist the verses have to be correct because the Qur'an is a divine text, but if a neutral reader is unable to reach the same conclusion, then we have a huge problem.

If you want examples of these verses, just type "Errors in the Qur'an" in Google search box and start from there. Listen to some few exMuslims and Islam critics.

That is an empty suggestion ...for sure, everyone can search in google "errors in the Qur'an" but from google search result, which ones you are convinced that those are truly errors in Quran. So which ones? Perhaps can you give your top 3 errors in the Qur'an?

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General Issues / Questions / Re: I am going to apostate
« on: December 13, 2020, 03:19:02 AM »
What is salat ?

Salam Sania,

Maybe as starting point, let's take a look at one verse in Quran that mentions salat.

[35:18] And no bearer may carry the burden of another. And if one who is weighed down by his load calls on another to carry it, no part  of it may be carried, even if it were a relative. You will only be  able to warn those who are concerned towards their Lord while  unseen, and they AQAMU SALAT. And whoever contributes,  is contributing for himself. And to God is the final destiny.

In 35:18, God mentions that those who can be warned are only those who are concerned with their Lord AND they maintain/keep up/establish/holding SALAT. So those who are not maintaining/keeping up/establishing/holding SALAT, giving warning to them does not have any effect at all.

Now let's look at people around us:
- We can find people who were previously atheist who didn't believe in God and now become believers. So these people definitely can be warned that God exists and that we will be responsible for our deeds in this world. Since they can be warned, they must have done AQAMU SALAT.
- We can find people who were previously christians who worshiped Jesus and now become believers. So these people definitely can be warned that God cannot have son and Jesus is God's messenger (not God himself). Since they can be warned, they must have done AQAMU SALAT.

Did those people do what Sunnis are calling SALAT when they were still atheist and christian?

All right, I guess this is enough for starting point :)


Wassalam,

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General Issues / Questions / Re: I am going to apostate
« on: December 13, 2020, 02:25:18 AM »
Salam Sania,

[75:16] Do not move your tongue with it to hasten it.
[75:17] It is for Us to gather it into its Quran.
[75:18] Thus, when We read it, you shall follow such a Quran.
[75:19] Then it is for Us to explain it.
[75:20] Nay, but you love instant results,


You are blessed to have realized the truth about sahih hadiths books early (I was much older than you when I realized it - I kind of envy you in this regard).

Just be patient and keep studying it. 10-20 years in the future you might realize that indeed Quran is descended in stages slowly and it is done this way for a reason  :sun:


Wassalam,

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