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Started by Fusion, April 02, 2024, 06:56:33 PM

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Fusion

I'm eager to learn more about the attributes of God, especially those that inspire love, hope, and Anger, Disappointment, Destroyer, Vengeful etc. I'm not looking for debates but rather positive insights and shared experiences. If you have scriptural references, personal stories, or teachings that highlight God's  nature, I'd be grateful to hear them.
I have asked my queries at https://chatnow.org and with a pastor and below is the chat transcript. Please go over the talk and if any one can answer me please.

Ray
How are you?
Fuzion
Hello Ray
Fuzion
am fine
Fuzion
yourself?
Raymond
I'm doing well.
Raymond
What's on your mind today?
Fuzion
Are you a human or a chatbot?
Raymond
I am a male, human, live in the US.
Raymond
You?
Fuzion
thank you
Fuzion
since you are a volunteer , may I know your qualifications to answer my queries about God?
Raymond
Yes, I have done years of study in the Bible, have walked with JESUS for over 30 years and know GOD personally.
Fuzion
That is just great
Raymond
Yes
Fuzion
may I begin asking my questions pls
Raymond
Sure
Raymond
Go ahead.
Fuzion
First one. God exhibits emotions such as happiness or anger, as illustrated by the punishment of Pharaoh through plagues. How can God, the Creator, exhibit characteristics that are traits of humans, the created? Being divine, should God not be beyond human emotions like joy or astonishment, since these are responses to occurrences? How is this possible?
Fuzion
God*
Raymond
In the Bible, GOD created humans "in HIS image".
Raymond
It stands to reason that the very emotions that we have and MUCH more come from HIM!
Fuzion
Yes, but considering a Creator who was not brought into existence by anyone, how can He experience emotions such as happiness or otherwise, as though He were also created? That's my query. I'm not disputing that we are made in His image. My question is, if He is uncreated, then how is it possible for Him to experience these emotions? For instance, if you suddenly become happy, it implies that something has happened of which you were previously unaware, leading to your happiness. This means you didn't foresee the event. However, God is omniscient, knowing everything past, present, and future. So, how can He be subject to such reactions
Raymond
You, by your argument, have stated that emotions are limited ONLY to humans. There is NOTHING in all of history, nor in ANY of the writings of ANY religions that state that a divine being should be emotion-less!
Raymond
Even JESUS, GOD in the human form, had great joy when something wonderful happened!
Raymond
Emotions are NOT just human, the indicate life!
Fuzion
In response to your point, I acknowledge your assertion that emotions are not exclusively human traits and that no historical or religious texts explicitly state that a divine being must be devoid of emotions. However, my argument hinges on the nature of these emotions themselves. Emotions, as we understand them, often arise as reactions to events or revelations, implying a transition from unawareness to awareness. Given that God is all-knowing, possessing complete knowledge of the past, present, and future, the concept of God experiencing emotions like happiness or sadness seems contradictory. For if one knows everything, there would presumably be no surprise or new information to elicit such emotional responses. Therefore, my concern is how the attribute of omniscience aligns with the experience of emotions, which typically denote a change in awareness or state.
Raymond
Your point may seemingly be valid, however, again, you are ascribing to GOD, a limitless, divine being, emotions AS YOU understand them in this world! Anger, for example, is usually impulsive and very rarely correct. GOD's anger is NEVER that way, never impulsive and NEVER incorrectly applied. For you or me, finite beings, to state that GOD cannot have emotions is similar to an ant stating that he fully comprehends the stars in the heavens!
Fuzion
it is evidently clear we approach the understanding of divine emotions from distinct viewpoints.
Raymond
Correct!
Raymond
I follow the Bible.
Fuzion
While I recognize the infinite nature of God compared to our finite existence, my inquiry seeks not to limit God but to understand the compatibility of omniscience with emotional responses as we know them
Raymond
Where are your opinions of GOD from?
Fuzion
let me please continue then i shall reply on that
Fuzion
If God's anger is not impulsive, as you've described, then how do we interpret the series of plagues that were inflicted upon Pharaoh and his people as a form of punishment? This action, at first glance, may appear to be a direct response fueled by anger or retribution towards Pharaoh's defiance. However, considering your explanation that divine anger is fundamentally different from human anger—never impulsive and always just?
Fuzion
My understanding of God is still evolving, and I sincerely hope for your kindness and patience as I navigate through my changing thoughts. It would be greatly appreciated if you could engage with my inquiries with an open mind, rather than through the traditional lens often associated with Christian perspectives.
Fuzion
I have something more to add please
Fuzion
Occasionally, I find myself contemplating the possibility that we, as humans, might be the creation of a higher, more advanced being, and our existence could be akin to simulations or experiments conducted by these beings. It's intriguing to observe how similar patterns of emotions and behaviors—such as love, despair, anger, and conflict—recur through the centuries, suggesting a cyclical nature to our existence without significant progress or direction. While some might interpret life as a test of our perseverance by God, I'm curious about the purpose behind it all. What does God seek to achieve through this? Please understand, this isn't meant to disrespect or challenge divine intention but is a reflection of my genuine curiosity. At times, it feels as though we're akin to robots, executing a predetermined set of tasks, and I'm eager to explore and understand the broader significance of our roles and experiences.
Fuzion
Thanks
Raymond
Fortunately, GOD has left us with the written Word (the Bible), that explains MUCH of HIM and of HIS divine purpose.
Raymond
Consider these verses:
Raymond
Following:
Raymond
 He is the God who made the whole world and everything in it. He is the Lord of the land and the sky. He does not live in temples that men build! This God is the One who gives life, breath, and everything else to people. He does not need any help from them. He has everything he needs. God began by making one man. From him came all the different people who live everywhere in the world. He decided exactly when and where they must live.  God wanted them to look for him and perhaps search all around for him and find him. But he is not far from any of us: 28 'By his power we live and move and exist.' Some of your own poets have said: 'For we are his children.'
Raymond
So, you must not think that God is like something that people imagine or make.
Fuzion
I assure you, I have diligently explored the religious texts of the Torah, as well as the Old and New Testament, and have observed instances where God is portrayed as a force of destruction, focused on punishing people. There are numerous verses that, to the common observer, may raise questions about the necessity of subjecting humans to such extensive trials and suffering. Please understand, my intention is not to selectively interpret these scriptures, but rather to seek a comprehensive and holistic understanding. I'm genuinely trying to grasp the broader picture and the overarching messages within these texts, and I would greatly appreciate your insights and guidance on this journey.
Raymond
Understood.
Raymond
In the past, people did not understand God, but God ignored this. But now, God tells everyone in the world to change his heart and life. 31 God has decided on a day that he will judge all the world. He will be fair. He will use a man to do this. God chose that man long ago. And God has proved this to everyone by raising that man from death!"
Fuzion
I appreciate your perspective and the insights you've shared. However, I feel that our conversation is steering towards Jesus Christ, while my questions are centered on the nature and attributes of God. My intent is not to deny Jesus or his significance in any way. Rather, I'm seeking to understand the complexities of God's character and how they align with the themes of mercy, justice, and love that are so central to our discussions. It's the essence and attributes of God that I find myself pondering over, and I hope we can explore this together. Please try to see where my confusion lies—it's in grasping the broader essence of God's nature, not in questioning the role or existence of Jesus
Raymond
Unfortunately for all who do not wish to turn to JESUS, HE is the only way to GOD.
Raymond
HE Himself said that HE is the way to GOD!
Raymond
If we study JESUS, we will understand GOD!
Raymond
HIS love, HIS compassion, HIS holiness and even HIS anger.
Raymond
Did you observe JESUS' response in the temple, with the whip?
Fuzion
I respect your viewpoint and the conviction with which you hold it. However, I would like to gently bring into consideration the vast and diverse tapestry of human civilization, including ancient cultures like the Chinese and the Indus Valley, which have flourished for over 5,000 years. These civilizations have their own rich spiritual and philosophical traditions, which have evolved without reference to Adam, Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses, or Jesus. The essence of my reflection is on the inclusivity of God's love and the vastness of human experience across different times and geographies. To suggest that the spiritual journeys and beliefs of countless individuals outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition are in vain seems quite a stark standpoint. It is my belief that all of us are children of God, embraced by a divine love that transcends our understanding and encompasses all beings, irrespective of the path they follow. I hold these thoughts with the utmost respect for your beliefs and teachings, and my intention is not to dispute but to express a longing for a broader understanding of divine grace that acknowledges the rich diversity of human faith and spirituality
Fuzion
In the temple, Jesus made a whip of cords and drove out the merchants and money changers, overturning their tables, and declared, "My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of robbers".
Raymond
Exactly!
Raymond
The anger of GOD is not easily aroused. It's not an impulsive emotion such as that of an abusive husband or dad.
Raymond
JESUS viewed the temple, saw the disgrace, then left.
Raymond
Much later, HE came back and used the whip!
Raymond
That is how GOD is!
Raymond
HE is FIRST merciful!
Fuzion
I understand the significance of Jesus' actions and teachings, including his response in the temple. However, it's important to remember that not everyone is familiar with these stories or has been influenced by the Judeo-Christian tradition. Many people and civilizations have lived and passed away without knowledge of these events or teachings, through no fault of their own. Suggesting that their lives or beliefs were in vain because they didn't know of Jesus feels like a difficult stance to reconcile with the compassionate and inclusive teachings found in many spiritual traditions, including Christianity. I believe in a God who understands and loves all His creations, regardless of the time or place of their birth.
Raymond
That is why I sent you these verses: "In the past, people did not understand God, but God ignored this. But now, God tells everyone in the world to change his heart and life. 31 God has decided on a day that he will judge all the world. He will be fair. He will use a man to do this. God chose that man long ago. And God has proved this to everyone by raising that man from death!""
Raymond
GOD was patient for thousands of years!
Raymond
But NOW, we must recognize our guilt!
Raymond
We must turn from our sin!
Raymond
We must turn to JESUS, the ultimate sacrifice!
Fuzion
I appreciate the verses you shared and the message they convey. But It's also true that, according to many religious teachings, God has communicated with humanity through various messengers throughout history, offering guidance and opportunities for redemption. This suggests that God has not simply ignored people but has actively engaged with them, demonstrating patience and a desire for understanding. Recognizing the multitude of messengers sent by God across different times and cultures, it seems clear that divine engagement with humanity is complex and multifaceted, rather than a matter of being overlooked or ignored. I understand and respect your emphasis on the significance of Jesus in understanding God's message and intentions for humanity. While I do accept Jesus and his teachings, my current exploration is aimed at delving deeper into the nature and attributes of God. The essence of my confusion lies not in the acceptance of Jesus but in trying to reconcile certain aspects of God's character with the broader scope of divine compassion and justice as portrayed across various traditions. Your perspective has been enlightening, and I value our discussion. However, I'm still navigating through my thoughts to fully grasp the complexity of God's nature. This journey of understanding is important to me, and I'm grateful for the insights you've provided, even as I continue to seek clarity on these matters.
Raymond
Thank you for chatting tonight!
Fuzion
Thank you so much
Best Regards,

shukri

Quote from: Fusion on April 02, 2024, 06:56:33 PMI'm eager to learn more about the attributes of God, especially those that inspire love, hope, and Anger, Disappointment, Destroyer, Vengeful etc.

Brother Fusion,

One of my curiosity about God's nature is his attribute of al-Mutakabbir (المُتَكَبِّرُ) mentions in verse 59:23
As i think you are arab i would like to ask you something if you don't mind
May I know the literal meaning of al-Mutakabbir?
Is "the arrogant" the correct translation of this word?

(هُوَ اللَّهُ الَّذى لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا هُوَ المَلِكُ القُدّوسُ السَّلٰمُ المُؤمِنُ المُهَيمِنُ العَزيزُ الجَبّارُ المُتَكَبِّرُ سُبحٰنَ اللَّهِ عَمّا يُشرِكونَ)

Thanks in advance.

"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Fusion

Dear Shukri,

First and foremost, I'd like to clarify that despite having lived in the Arabian region since my childhood and being immersed in its culture and among its few people, I am not of Arab descent. This background doesn't grant me expertise in the Arabic language. While my familiarity with daily spoken Arabic allows me a surface-level understanding of the Quran, I recognize this isn't enough for a text of such depth and significance. Whenever I encounter something in the Quran that isn't immediately clear to me, I turn to my friends—not necessarily those with religious expertise, but native Arabic speakers— to understand how certain words or phrases are used in everyday conversation.

In the context of classical Arabic grammar and lexicon, independent of religious connotations, the word "المتكبر" (al-Mutakabbir) is derived from the root "كبر" (k-b-r), which has various meanings related to greatness, largeness, and grandeur. Here's a breakdown of its meanings from a purely linguistic standpoint:

Great or Grand: The root "كبر" can imply something that is physically large or great in size.

To Behave Arrogantly: When used to describe a person's behavior, "المتكبر" (al-Mutakabbir) can mean someone who behaves arrogantly, with undue pride or self-importance. This is a person who sees themselves as superior to others and acts haughtily.

To Magnify or Exalt: The verb form "كبر" (kabbara) can also mean to magnify, exalt, or deem something great. This usage is more about the act of acknowledging greatness, whether one's own or another's, but without the negative connotations when directed towards oneself in arrogance.

To Pretend or Claim Greatness: It can imply someone who pretends to be great or important, often without the qualities or achievements to back up such claims.

From a linguistic perspective, the meaning of "المتكبر" (al-Mutakabbir) largely revolves around the themes of greatness and self-exaltation. However, the connotation can vary significantly based on context—from neutral descriptions of size or importance to negative judgments about a person's character and behavior.

Examples in everyday Arabic:
"هو شخص المتكبر لأنه دائمًا يتحدث عن نفسه ولا يحترم آراء الآخرين."
Translation: "He is an arrogant person because he always talks about himself and does not respect others' opinions."

"في الرواية، الشخصية الرئيسية تكافح مع صفاتها المتكبرة وتعلم أخيرًا قيمة التواضع."
Translation: "In the novel, the main character struggles with her arrogant traits and finally learns the value of humility."

"السياسيون المتكبرون غالبًا ما يفقدون اتصالهم بالشعب."
Translation: "Arrogant politicians often lose their connection with the people."

However, in my opinion, In the context of Allah, "al-Mutakabbir" is best translated as "The Supreme" or "The Majestic." It reflects God's supremacy and majesty over all of creation. Unlike human arrogance, which is based on unjustified self-importance and is often delusional, Allah's attribute of "al-Mutakabbir" is a declaration of His ultimate greatness and sovereignty, which is absolute and all-encompassing. Thus, translating "al-Mutakabbir" as "the arrogant" is not accurate within the Islamic context, as it misses the essence of divine majesty and sovereignty that the term intends to convey.

However, I find myself still seeking clarity on a particular aspect that I initially brought up (as detailed in my first thread). My inquiry centers around understanding the attributes of God—being all-powerful and all-knowing—against the backdrop of religious texts that ascribe to Him human-like traits. This contrast raises some questions for me about the underlying logic and interpretations. For a more comprehensive understanding, I'd be grateful if someone could offer different perspectives or insights on this matter. This query is part of a broader exploration of the topic, similar to the discussions I've had in top of this thread with a Christian interlocutor. Any guidance or further explanation to help unravel this complexity would be deeply appreciated.
Best Regards,

shukri

Brother Fusion:
Your input has enlightened me greatly!
Thank you very much.

Why I am very enthusiastic about God's name of "al-Mutakabbir"
If this name (al-Mutakabbir) really means "the arrogant" or "very proud of Himself", i believe this trait will explain why "shirk" is a gross sin and unforgivable. The nature of being "arrogant and very proud of Himself" will provide a solid explanation as to why Allah does not tolerate any form of shirk. And this trait (al-Mutakabbir) will supersede other traits as "Gracious", "Merciful", etc in the hereafter.

Let see the verse 59:23 where the only word "al-Mutakabbir" mentions in the Quran;
59:23 He is the One God; there is no other god besides Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Dignified (al-Mutakabbir). God be glorified; far above having partners.
(هُوَ اللَّهُ الَّذى لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا هُوَ المَلِكُ القُدّوسُ السَّلٰمُ المُؤمِنُ المُهَيمِنُ العَزيزُ الجَبّارُ المُتَكَبِّرُ سُبحٰنَ اللَّهِ عَمّا يُشرِكونَ)
There is a list of God's attributes and the last one is "al-Mutakabbir" followed by the phrase "God be glorified; far above having partners (shirk)"

Also we see on many occasions the Quran ask believers to praise/glorify God;
25:58 You shall put your trust in the One who is Alive - the One who never dies - and praise Him and glorify Him. He is fully Cognizant of His creatures' sins.
40:55 Therefore, be patient, for God's promise is true, and ask forgiveness for your sin, and glorify and praise your Lord night and day.

Questions arise:
(1) If someone (God servant) asks other people to praise/glorify himself, we will classify him as an arrogant person. If God issued the same command to His servants, why cannot we use the same "designation" to Him?
(2) Is there any reason to explain why shirk is an unforgivable sin in the hereafter if we refuse to translate "al-Mutakabbir" as "the Arrogant"?

Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

Fusion

Thanks Shukri for your kind words.
I understand that after reading through the original intent of my thread, you've introduced a related sub-question, aligning with my own curiosity about the divine characteristics.
My inquiry while opening this thread, mainly orbits around His attributes that seem to mirror human emotions, as demonstrated in various passages. For instance, I've shared examples in my discussions with a Christian, highlighting attributes like joy, anger, or disappointment in response to human actions, among others. This exploration delves into such human-like traits attributed to the divine, sparking an intriguing dialogue while he is all-knowing.

My earlier response to you  was aimed to express that "al-Mutakabbir," when attributed to Allah, does not carry the negative connotations of arrogance as understood in human behavior. Instead, it signifies Allah's supreme greatness and majesty, a concept that is fundamentally different from human arrogance. The term "arrogant" in human terms is associated with unjustified self-importance and ego, traits that are not applicable to Allah in my opinion.
I think Allah's command for His creations to glorify Him is not born of arrogance but is a directive towards acknowledging His unparalleled greatness and the truth of His Oneness. This acknowledgment helps believers to align their lives with the reality of creation and the Creator's sovereignty.

To further elaborate, my intention was not to agree with interpreting "al-Mutakabbir" as suggesting divine arrogance in the way humans understand and exhibit arrogance. Instead, I aimed to deepen the discussion on why Allah, possessing all perfections and being the source of all existence, commands glorification and prohibits shirk. It's about recognizing His unmatched status and our role as His creation. Therefore, the reason shirk is considered an unforgivable sin (if not repented for) is precisely because it denies the foundational aspect of Allah's attribute of being "al-Mutakabbir" in the sense of His absolute sovereignty, supremacy, and the right to be worshipped alone. It's not about a comparison to human traits of arrogance but about the rejection of the ultimate truth of Allah's exclusive divinity and greatness.

I hope this clarification helps, and I apologize for any confusion my previous responses may have caused. Your engagement with these deep questions is commendable.


Best Regards,

shukri

Quote from: Fusion on April 06, 2024, 03:57:28 AMTo further elaborate, my intention was not to agree with interpreting "al-Mutakabbir" as suggesting divine arrogance in the way humans understand and exhibit arrogance. Instead, I aimed to deepen the discussion on why Allah, possessing all perfections and being the source of all existence, commands glorification and prohibits shirk. It's about recognizing His unmatched status and our role as His creation. Therefore, the reason shirk is considered an unforgivable sin (if not repented for) is precisely because it denies the foundational aspect of Allah's attribute of being "al-Mutakabbir" in the sense of His absolute sovereignty, supremacy, and the right to be worshipped alone. It's not about a comparison to human traits of arrogance but about the rejection of the ultimate truth of Allah's exclusive divinity and greatness.

I hope this clarification helps, and I apologize for any confusion my previous responses may have caused. Your engagement with these deep questions is commendable.

Yes, it helps me a lot!

My opinion:
The trait of "al-Mutakabbir'' if we translate it as "the Arrogant'' does not carry the negative connotations to God
God is the perfect supreme being and eligible for that trait!
But not for human beings
We are God's servants and nothing special about us
And that is why we are strictly prohibited from behaving arrogance!
Arrogance is an exclusive trait only for God
We are doomed in the hereafter if we apply this trait in this worldly life.

Just my take,
Thank you
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

good logic

Also with humans ,arrogance is relative and will always remain undeserved.

GOD ,being the perfect being, if we claim or understand "Mutakabir" to be arrogant, then GOD has the position and authority to deserve to be arrogant This becomes right and just as along with all His other traits it will never be the negative "arrogance" we come to know from arrogant humans.

I mean combined with all GOD s other traits , if one interprets "Mutakabir" as arrogant, then it will be a positive,deserved and just arrogance.
GOD bless you both.
Peace.
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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Fusion

Thank you, Shukri and Good Logic, for sharing your insights. I would greatly value your input on the main question of my thread if you have a moment. Clarifying that point is crucial for me, and your expertise would be incredibly helpful.
Best Regards,

good logic

Peace Fusion.
Our confusion about GOD is normal and it is fine to accept that we learn more about GOD throughout our submission journey and we die hopeful to meet and see GOD to know more in our next life,

We can never even dream or imagine GOD s nature and manifestation/looks/... while we live this life.
GOD has chosen many things for us including not to show up physically/in form or shape...etc why?

He is Supreme over His creatures. He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.
وَهُوَ القاهِرُ فَوقَ عِبادِهِ وَهُوَ الحَكيمُ الخَبيرُ

Because He knows how to test us and we simply have to accept the situation and keep learning about GOD and searching for GOD
Trying to know GOD is also about believing that we will meet and see GOD eventually :

If you could only see them when they stand before their Lord! He would say, "Is this not the truth?" They would say, "Yes, by our Lord." He would say, "You have incurred the retribution by your disbelief."
وَلَو تَرىٰ إِذ وُقِفوا عَلىٰ رَبِّهِم قالَ أَلَيسَ هٰذا بِالحَقِّ قالوا بَلىٰ وَرَبِّنا قالَ فَذوقُوا العَذابَ بِما كُنتُم تَكفُرونَ
Losers indeed are those who disbelieve in meeting God, until the Hour comes to them suddenly, then say, "We deeply regret wasting our lives in this world." They will carry loads of their sins on their backs; what a miserable load!
قَد خَسِرَ الَّذينَ كَذَّبوا بِلِقاءِ اللَّهِ حَتّىٰ إِذا جاءَتهُمُ السّاعَةُ بَغتَةً قالوا يٰحَسرَتَنا عَلىٰ ما فَرَّطنا فيها وَهُم يَحمِلونَ أَوزارَهُم عَلىٰ ظُهورِهِم أَلا ساءَ ما يَزِرونَ

He calls us with His message to tests our response and conviction from where we can never see Him in this life because we need to prepare for the meeting and feed /grow our soul first with obeying and following GOD commands and instruction and connect to Him spiritually. As we are here and now-humans- we will not be able to withstand His presence.

The only ones to respond are those who listen. God resurrects the dead; they ultimately return to Him.
إِنَّما يَستَجيبُ الَّذينَ يَسمَعونَ وَالمَوتىٰ يَبعَثُهُمُ اللَّهُ ثُمَّ إِلَيهِ يُرجَعونَ

Our use of our faculties will be vital to decipher and study His message to try to understand our role and what to do for that meeting . Otherwise it will be pointless having the eyes ear and brain for use in this life?

Say, "What if God took away your hearing and your eyesight, and sealed your minds; which god, other than God, can restore these for you?" Note how we explain the revelations, and note how they still deviate!
قُل أَرَءَيتُم إِن أَخَذَ اللَّهُ سَمعَكُم وَأَبصٰرَكُم وَخَتَمَ عَلىٰ قُلوبِكُم مَن إِلٰهٌ غَيرُ اللَّهِ يَأتيكُم بِهِ انظُر كَيفَ نُصَرِّفُ الـٔايٰتِ ثُمَّ هُم يَصدِفونَ

Basically a student of Qoran will know that GOD does everything and is in control of everything and will try to learn more about GOD with total submission to Him:

With Him are the keys to all secrets; none knows them except He. He knows everything on land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls without His knowledge. Nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil. Nor is there anything wet or dry, that is not recorded in a profound record.
وَعِندَهُ مَفاتِحُ الغَيبِ لا يَعلَمُها إِلّا هُوَ وَيَعلَمُ ما فِى البَرِّ وَالبَحرِ وَما تَسقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلّا يَعلَمُها وَلا حَبَّةٍ فى ظُلُمٰتِ الأَرضِ وَلا رَطبٍ وَلا يابِسٍ إِلّا فى كِتٰبٍ مُبينٍ

He is Supreme over His creatures, and He appoints guards to protect you. When the appointed time of death comes to any of you, our messengers put him to death without delay.
وَهُوَ القاهِرُ فَوقَ عِبادِهِ وَيُرسِلُ عَلَيكُم حَفَظَةً حَتّىٰ إِذا جاءَ أَحَدَكُمُ المَوتُ تَوَفَّتهُ رُسُلُنا وَهُم لا يُفَرِّطونَ
Then everyone is returned to God, their rightful Lord and Master. Absolutely, He is the ultimate judge; He is the most accurate reckoner.
ثُمَّ رُدّوا إِلَى اللَّهِ مَولىٰهُمُ الحَقِّ أَلا لَهُ الحُكمُ وَهُوَ أَسرَعُ الحٰسِبينَ
Say, "Who can save you from the darkness of the land or the sea?" You implore Him loudly and secretly: "If He saves us this time, we will be eternally appreciative."
قُل مَن يُنَجّيكُم مِن ظُلُمٰتِ البَرِّ وَالبَحرِ تَدعونَهُ تَضَرُّعًا وَخُفيَةً لَئِن أَنجىٰنا مِن هٰذِهِ لَنَكونَنَّ مِنَ الشّٰكِرينَ
Say, "God does save you this time, and other times as well, then you still set up idols besides Him."
قُلِ اللَّهُ يُنَجّيكُم مِنها وَمِن كُلِّ كَربٍ ثُمَّ أَنتُم تُشرِكونَ
Say, "He is certainly able to pour upon you retribution from above you, or from beneath your feet. Or He can divide you into factions and have you taste each others' tyranny. Note how we explain the revelations, that they may understand."
قُل هُوَ القادِرُ عَلىٰ أَن يَبعَثَ عَلَيكُم عَذابًا مِن فَوقِكُم أَو مِن تَحتِ أَرجُلِكُم أَو يَلبِسَكُم شِيَعًا وَيُذيقَ بَعضَكُم بَأسَ بَعضٍ انظُر كَيفَ نُصَرِّفُ الـٔايٰتِ لَعَلَّهُم يَفقَهونَ
Your people have rejected this, even though it is the truth. Say, "I am not a guardian over you."
وَكَذَّبَ بِهِ قَومُكَ وَهُوَ الحَقُّ قُل لَستُ عَلَيكُم بِوَكيلٍ
Every prophecy herein will come to pass, and you will surely find out.
لِكُلِّ نَبَإٍ مُستَقَرٌّ وَسَوفَ تَعلَمونَ
Then we need to readjust our priorities in this life if we really believe.

The life of this world is no more than illusion and vanity, while the abode of the Hereafter is far better for the righteous. Do you not understand?!
وَمَا الحَيوٰةُ الدُّنيا إِلّا لَعِبٌ وَلَهوٌ وَلَلدّارُ الـٔاخِرَةُ خَيرٌ لِلَّذينَ يَتَّقونَ أَفَلا تَعقِلونَ

Knowing GOD is a process that will grow and become clearer with time and effort in the relationship with GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
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Fusion

Thank you GL so much for sharing your thoughts and the scripture references with me. I truly value the depth of your faith and the insights you provided.

However, I'm still wrestling with some of the questions I have, particularly about understanding God's nature on a deeper level. While the verses you shared offer significant guidance, I'm looking for a bit more discussion on the academic and theological aspects of God's attributes, especially how we reconcile God's omniscience with emotions like joy, anger, or sadness.

For instance, when we talk about God experiencing emotions, I'm curious about how this aligns with God's all-knowing nature. If God knows everything that will happen, how do emotions play into this? This is where I find myself seeking more clarity, beyond the literal text, to grasp the essence of God's nature from a philosophical and theological perspective.

I hope this doesn't come across as dismissive of the profound insights you've shared. My aim is to dive deeper into the understanding of these concepts, exploring them with both faith and reason. Your guidance has been invaluable, and I'm hopeful for more of your thoughts on this.

Thanks again for engaging in this conversation with me. It's been truly enriching, and I'm looking forward to any more light you can shed on these questions.
Best Regards,