Nature of Satan

[jkhan]

It appears that the difference between bashar and insaan is that
the bashar is the physical body and insaan is the nature.

[15:28] وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ إِنِّي خَالِقٌ بَشَرًا مِنْ صَلْصَالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ

Wa-ith qala rabbuka lilmala-ikatiinnee khaliqun basharan min salsalin min hama-inmasnoonin

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the Malā?ikah/Angels,
?I will create a human being (Basharan) out of clay from an altered black mud.

[70:19] إِنَّ الْإِنْسَانَ خُلِقَ هَلُوعًا

Inna al-insana khuliqa halooAAan

Indeed, mankind was created anxious.

Is this understanding consistent with Quran.   

Peace Hawk
Yes we all know it's a tricky subject...  If you claim bashar and insan as of above... You have to explain 23:12 in which insan created by clay.... As hard is of course we human and insan... But this Naas is so complicated... Read 2:24 ... How come only Naas and stones be fuel of Hell while Jinn also part of hell?  Is naas include jinn here in this verse?  Got to be... But if so chapter 114 need to be explained where Naas and Jinn mentioned.. Does naas can be used for Jinn and Men together and separate as well?
God guide us

[Mahdi Ibrahim]

Please can anyone tell me who is Satan

There are two kinds:

1. Jin Shaytan
2. Human Shaytan

Human Shaytan refers to bystander / peacemaker, and believers of Political Jurisprudence.

The definition of Shaytan:

Human Shaytans and Jinn Shaytans, [TRAITS] who inspire each other (ie. schism, religism) with delusions (ie. unnatural) by means of specious words (ie. fallacies) - if your LordLaw (of Nature/Sunnatullah) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (ie. Political Jurisprudence). (6:112)

• Human Shaytan are sectarians
• Human Shaytan is the delusional; ie. unnatural and "an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder"
• Human Shaytan is fallacious, logic failed.
• Human Shaytan is a fabricator of forced justice or political jurisprudence
• Human Shaytan is a bystander or peacemaker, ie. the Hypocrites:

They are not of you, nor are you of them. And they knowingly swear upon falsehood/fallacies. (58:14) ... Such people are the army of Shaytan. (58:19)

They are not of you, nor are you of them. (4:143) ... The hypocrites are in the lowest level of the Fire. (4:145)

They have made their syahadat into a cloak and barred (bystanding, peacemaking) the Way of Allah (Sunnatullah / Law of Nature / EcoLogic / Ecological Jurisprudence). What they have done is truly evil. (63:2) ... Allah fight them! (63:4)

• They would like you to be kafir as they are kafir (bystander, peacemaker) so that you will all be the same. Do not take any of them as friends until they have made hijra in the Way of Allah (Sunnatullah ALONE, Law of Nature, Ecological Jurisprudence). (4:89)
• If they had had iman in Allah and the Prophet and what has been sent down to him, [THEN] they would not have taken them as friends. [ELSE] But most of them are deviators. (5:81)
• The pure natural believers should not take kafirun/polical jurisprudence/forced justice as friends rather than pure natural believers. Anyone who does that has nothing to do with Allah at all. (3:28)
• There is no tawba for people who persist in doing evil ( = bystanding or on friendly terms with Human Shaytan / Forced Justice / Political Jurisprudence). (4:18)

"You can't walk with Allah and hold on to the devil at the same time,you can't serve two Master's. So ask yourself, is what I am doing with my life worth going to hell for?"



On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full (with Jin/Human Shaytans)? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (50:30)

[hawk99]

Peace Hawk
Yes we all know it's a tricky subject...  If you claim bashar and insan as of above...

Not a claim, translate the two ayats yourself

You have to explain 23:12 in which insan created by clay....

If we lock the two ayats as true then we get Insaan made of mud, Insaan also made
of clay, Insaan = nature   

As hard is of course we human and insan... But this Naas is so complicated... Read 2:24 ... How come only Naas and stones be fuel of Hell while Jinn also part of hell?

My understanding is that [2:24] is an allegory.
I prefer to make the connection between the two ayats I mentioned if you have patience.   

Is naas include jinn here in this verse?  Got to be... But if so chapter 114 need to be explained where Naas and Jinn mentioned.. Does naas can be used for Jinn and Men together and separate as well?
God guide us

Can we get to naas and jinn later?

[jkhan]

It appears that the difference between bashar and insaan is that
the bashar is the physical body and insaan is the nature.

[15:28] وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ إِنِّي خَالِقٌ بَشَرًا مِنْ صَلْصَالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ

Wa-ith qala rabbuka lilmala-ikatiinnee khaliqun basharan min salsalin min hama-inmasnoonin

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the Malā?ikah/Angels,
?I will create a human being (Basharan) out of clay from an altered black mud.

[70:19] إِنَّ الْإِنْسَانَ خُلِقَ هَلُوعًا

Inna al-insana khuliqa halooAAan

Indeed, mankind was created anxious.

Is this understanding consistent with Quran.   

Let's stick to one thing.. Yes... I want only clarification to what is highlighted in blue IN your comment....is that possible... Taje the support of 55:14 to it.... Let me put it in Mahdi style...
Bashar = physic
Insan = nature
No more comments.. Appreciate a good explanation in order to check the possibilities of your understanding ....

[hawk99]

Peace

Shiin-Tay-Nun = nature = can be human or jinn

become distant/far/remote, enter firmly / become firmly fixed therein / penetrate
and be concealed, turn away in opposition (from direction/aim), devil, one
excessively proud/corrupt, unbelieving/rebellious/insolent/audacious/obstinate/perverse,
rope, deep curved well, it burned, became burnt, serpent, any reprehensible faculty
or power of a man.


bashar is the physical body of both men and jinn.

both Ins and Jinns are men.

If we lock the two ayats as true then we get Insaan made of mud, Insaan also made
of clay, Insaan = nature   

Al-Insān (pl. Al-Ins) and Al-Nās = nature
to be or become sociable, companionable, conversable, inclined to company or
conversation, friendly, amicable, or familiar. To be or become cheered, or gladdened
or cheerful, gay, or gladsome. To be or become at ease, or tranquil; without shrinking or aversion.


                                                                 

[Fusion]

Apologies for reviving this old thread, but I need a quick clarification. In the Quran, Iblees (named entity) is specifically mentioned in Chapter 15, up to verse 37. Considering that all beings must experience death, and since Iblees is one of the Jinns, has he died as well? What we refer to nowadays are the shayateen, which include both jinns and humans.

I'm not asking about the characteristics of what constitutes a devil/shaitan, but about the individual named Iblis who refused to bow to Adam, a story well-known from the Quran. Is this same named figure still alive since that time (as it appears so from the verse 15:36-37), having never experienced death, or has he passed away, leaving behind other similar entities? If the answer is yes, then he probably must have been a singular case of living endlessly until resurrection day.

[Emre_1974tr]

Apologies for reviving this old thread, but I need a quick clarification. In the Quran, Iblees (named entity) is specifically mentioned in Chapter 15, up to verse 37. Considering that all beings must experience death, and since Iblees is one of the Jinns, has he died as well? What we refer to nowadays are the shayateen, which include both jinns and humans.

I'm not asking about the characteristics of what constitutes a devil/shaitan, but about the individual named Iblis who refused to bow to Adam, a story well-known from the Quran. Is this same named figure still alive since that time (as it appears so from the verse 15:36-37), having never experienced death, or has he passed away, leaving behind other similar entities? If the answer is yes, then he probably must have been a singular case of living endlessly until resurrection day.

All beings created for our universe will taste death. But not all the creatures of other universes will taste death.

[Fusion]

All beings created for our universe will taste death. But not all the creatures of other universes will taste death.

Appreciate if you elaborate further?
thank you

[Emre_1974tr]

Appreciate if you elaborate further?
thank you

The verses that say everything will perish do not include the Hereafter Universe called the Lord's Floor and the living beings in it.

The angels, human beings and other beings created on the Lord's Floor are immortal. I think that some people were created directly there, i.e. people who would have been among the extremely good if they had been tested, were created directly there because they did not have to suffer at all. Probably angels were also created there. Apart from that, some very good people who were tested on earth but died, like prophets, were created in this immortal universe immediately after their death (their creation is a second resurrection after their creation on earth).