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Started by Ervin, October 01, 2024, 02:53:58 AM

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shukri

Quote from: JinnJinn on October 14, 2024, 04:24:34 AMصَّلَوٰةَ  = INTERACTION, الصَّلَوَاتِ = INTERACTIONS, الصَّلَاةَ = CONNECTION, صَلَاتِ = CONNECTIONS, and verb forms are connect / interact.

If you are good at distinguishing the meaning of INTERACTION, perhaps you will realize that you are already involved in the interaction of life. Without interaction, there is no life and thus we are created as a communal creature.

Aqim As Salah Wa athu Zaka = Uphold INTERACTION and render PURITY. No human being can render purity without INTERACTION in life. If you happen to corrupt the INTERACTION, then you won't bring/render PURITY.

Arrahman has rendered us an immaculate book, so read and explore in order that you interact with your Lord. Whatever you learn through the book, transfer them into your actions in order for your interactions to be positive.

2:238-239 Sustain upon the interactions (al salawat) and the astuteness/sharpness (al wasat) of the interaction (al salat) and, uphold to Allah/the Savior consistently; While that, you bothered then delve/research or endeavor upon, then when you are confident so, concentrate of Allah/the Savior as what He distinguished you what not you were discerning.

Interaction and Connection have notable differences.

So, you mean salat is a time to interact with God by reading and exploring the Quran!
Am i correct to say that!
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

JinnJinn

Quote from: shukri on October 14, 2024, 05:23:17 AMSo, you mean salat is a time to interact with God by reading and exploring the Quran!
Am i correct to say that!

Hey Bruh, Sukry.
Please don't ask me every question as if I am your guide. Your guide is Allah/The Savior. Rely on Allah alone for guidance, but don't adhere to falsehood through the Quran. Whether you follow falsehood from the Quran or outside of it, it won't change the fact that falsehood remains falsehood. Having said that, there is no TIME for Sala, i.e. for INTERACTION or CONNECTION. There was TIME for Sala when they were not aware of the guidance, i.e. when people were in ignorance without messages of Allah. For instance, when the Al Quran was in the process of revealing, faithful folks had to attend salah whenever the Messenger called for sala i.e. for interaction and the Messenger's interaction was revealing/reciting/streaming only verses of Allah. The Messenger was not in a position to reach every individual to interact with, so he was compelled to assign a TIME for INTERACTION so it was the duty of the faithful lovely people to attend and get to know what the Quran was to offer for them through interaction. But as of now, you have the completed Al Quran and the Messenger left it for us.

Your CONNECTION with Allah is your reflection and your occupation of mind about Him and His creations and your admiration of your Lord through such reflections.

Your INTERACTION with Allah is first to communicate with Him and get to know what your duty is and then your reciprocal actions according to His instructions and commands. By and large, your life is full of interactions and make them astute and be constant in all positive manner. For you to perform better and apt INTERACTIONs in life, then read and understand Al Quran in its true sense. That's your communication with Allah. Without knowing Allah's instructions through His verses, your interactions in life may falter, so purity (zaka) would not reach you unless otherwise, your interactions tallied naturally with Allah's instructions through His direct guidance.

shukri

Quote from: JinnJinn on October 14, 2024, 09:54:49 PMHey Bruh, Sukry.
Please don't ask me every question as if I am your guide. Your guide is Allah/The Savior. Rely on Allah alone for guidance, but don't adhere to falsehood through the Quran. Whether you follow falsehood from the Quran or outside of it, it won't change the fact that falsehood remains falsehood. Having said that, there is no TIME for Sala, i.e. for INTERACTION or CONNECTION. There was TIME for Sala when they were not aware of the guidance, i.e. when people were in ignorance without messages of Allah. For instance, when the Al Quran was in the process of revealing, faithful folks had to attend salah whenever the Messenger called for sala i.e. for interaction and the Messenger's interaction was revealing/reciting/streaming only verses of Allah. The Messenger was not in a position to reach every individual to interact with, so he was compelled to assign a TIME for INTERACTION so it was the duty of the faithful lovely people to attend and get to know what the Quran was to offer for them through interaction. But as of now, you have the completed Al Quran and the Messenger left it for us.

Your CONNECTION with Allah is your reflection and your occupation of mind about Him and His creations and your admiration of your Lord through such reflections.

Your INTERACTION with Allah is first to communicate with Him and get to know what your duty is and then your reciprocal actions according to His instructions and commands. By and large, your life is full of interactions and make them astute and be constant in all positive manner. For you to perform better and apt INTERACTIONs in life, then read and understand Al Quran in its true sense. That's your communication with Allah. Without knowing Allah's instructions through His verses, your interactions in life may falter, so purity (zaka) would not reach you unless otherwise, your interactions tallied naturally with Allah's instructions through His direct guidance.


Now it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no FIX TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4:103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!

4:103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.

Another question sir:
Muhammad takes ablution (5:6) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION) during his time
Do you do the same thing when you interact and make connections with people!

Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!

Thank you very much.
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

shukri

Quote from: shukri on October 15, 2024, 12:15:27 AMNow it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no FIX TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4:103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!

4:103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.

Another question sir:
Muhammad takes ablution (5:6) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION) during his time
Do you do the same thing when you interact and make connections with people!

Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!

Thank you very much.

I want to modify above Reply as follow:

Now it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4:103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!

4:103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.

Another question sir:
Muhammad takes ablution (5:6) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION)
Do this ablution is important if Mohammad's salat is just revealing/reciting/streaming the Quranic verses to his people?

5:6 O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. God does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.

Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!

Thank you very much.

Note:
I just had a glance at your previous posting and misunderstood some of your points!
Sorry for that!


"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

JinnJinn

Quote from: shukri on October 15, 2024, 05:34:44 AMI want to modify above Reply as follow:

Now it is quite obvious to me that salat is related to INTERACTION or CONNECTION
And there is no TIME for salat nowadays as the complete Quran is available with us now
So the verse 4:103 (mentioning salat at specific times) is not applicable at present time!

4:103 Once you complete your Salat, you shall remember God while standing, sitting, or lying down.Once the war is over, you shall observe the Salat; the Salats are decreed for the believers at specific times.

Another question sir:
Muhammad takes ablution (5:6) before salat (INTERACTION or CONNECTION)
Do this ablution is important if Mohammad's salat is just revealing/reciting/streaming the Quranic verses to his people?

Sorry brother for the follow-up question
Indeed, I am very keen to know how you practise your salat
Hope i can learn something new from you!

Thank you very much.

Note:
I just had a glance at your previous posting and misunderstood some of your points!
Sorry for that!




Hey, Sukry Hi again,
I went through your reply and relevant concerns. It is pretty obvious you are practicing rituals and I am not here to blame you.
Be clean physically and mentally as much as you can unless your work or job is against physical cleanliness daily. For your kind info as you emphasized, I don't wash faces etcetera and ritually reciting verses of Al Quran and I am not crazy to perform such an act.
Bruh, in the book of My Lord there are no rituals and that's beyond doubt for me.

JinnJinn

Haj practiced in Mecca and in its surroundings in modern days is not part of Allah's command. The below is what I understood of Haj. Far from rituals tbh.
So Al Haj is betaking (in the Awakening) and Al Umra is Introspection. Haj al bayt to be precise Betaking in the Awakening.

2:196 And fulfill the Betaking in the Awakening (al-Haj) and the introspection (al umra) for Allah/The Savior. So, you have been confined to what is facilitated in the induction (Alhady), and don't relieve your despairs until accomplishing the induction into its dissolution. Then whoever became among you in dejection and irritation in him from his despair, so then expiation in rehabilitation or assurance or state of cleanliness, so then when you regained and then whoever took benefit of the introspection into the Betaking of Awakening then whatever facilitated through the induction. But whoever does not find, so rehabilitation for three days during the Awakening and seven when you return. This is ten in full; That is to one who is not involving his occupiers in the Sanctuary of the Forbidden. And be conscientious to Allah/The Savior and, discern that Allah/The Savior is firm of the consequences.

shukri

Quote from: JinnJinn on October 15, 2024, 05:47:22 AMHey, Sukry Hi again,
I went through your reply and relevant concerns. It is pretty obvious you are practicing rituals and I am not here to blame you.
Be clean physically and mentally as much as you can unless your work or job is against physical cleanliness daily. For your kind info as you emphasized, I don't wash faces etcetera and ritually reciting verses of Al Quran and I am not crazy to perform such an act.
Bruh, in the book of My Lord there are no rituals and that's beyond doubt for me.


Yes, we had different view on salat
I think that's okay brother as long as we take verse 39:18 as our guidance

39:18 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

Thanks for your time
So long!
"My Lord, pardon me if I have forgotten or erred"

JinnJinn

Quote from: shukri on October 15, 2024, 06:13:55 AMYes, we had different view on salat
I think that's okay brother as long as we take verse 39:18 as our guidance

39:18 They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom God has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

Thanks for your time
So long!


Hey, good morning!
Don't lose hope in you. You sound dejected.
Verse 39:18 won't become fruitful that easily, you need to develop certain characteristics in you. First, intelligence should be applied precisely. Secondly, be honest, thirdly you need to pay much attention before stepping into what is just or rather as you translated the best, and for that, you need to step out from what you follow already without knowledge. When all these traits blend well, you can be satisfied with guidance that is flawless. :hmm
Yes, thank you too for the conversation. bye.

good logic

Greetings JinnJinn.

Qoran is amazing , never mind interpretations that differ if the person follows the straight path and peacefulness, they succeed..
Oh , your name reminds me of this surah:

Say, "I was inspired that a group of jinns listened, then said, `We have heard a wonderful Qoran.*
قُل أوحِىَ إِلَىَّ أَنَّهُ استَمَعَ نَفَرٌ مِنَ الجِنِّ فَقالوا إِنّا سَمِعنا قُرءانًا عَجَبًا
" `It guides to righteousness, and we have believed in it; we will never set up any idols besides our Lord.
يَهدى إِلَى الرُّشدِ فَـٔامَنّا بِهِ وَلَن نُشرِكَ بِرَبِّنا أَحَدًا
" `The Most High is our only Lord. He never had a mate, nor a son.
وَأَنَّهُ تَعٰلىٰ جَدُّ رَبِّنا مَا اتَّخَذَ صٰحِبَةً وَلا وَلَدًا
" `It is the foolish among us who used to utter such nonsense about God.
وَأَنَّهُ كانَ يَقولُ سَفيهُنا عَلَى اللَّهِ شَطَطًا
" `We thought that neither the humans, nor the jinns, could possibly utter lies about God.
وَأَنّا ظَنَنّا أَن لَن تَقولَ الإِنسُ وَالجِنُّ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا
" `Human beings used to seek power through jinn beings, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity.
وَأَنَّهُ كانَ رِجالٌ مِنَ الإِنسِ يَعوذونَ بِرِجالٍ مِنَ الجِنِّ فَزادوهُم رَهَقًا
" `They thought, just like you thought, that God would not send another (messenger).
وَأَنَّهُم ظَنّوا كَما ظَنَنتُم أَن لَن يَبعَثَ اللَّهُ أَحَدًا
...
" `We have no idea if something bad is intended for the inhabitants of Earth, or if their Lord wills to redeem them.
وَأَنّا لا نَدرى أَشَرٌّ أُريدَ بِمَن فِى الأَرضِ أَم أَرادَ بِهِم رَبُّهُم رَشَدًا
" `Some of us are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths.
وَأَنّا مِنَّا الصّٰلِحونَ وَمِنّا دونَ ذٰلِكَ كُنّا طَرائِقَ قِدَدًا
" `We knew full well that we can never run away from God on Earth; we can never run away and escape.
وَأَنّا ظَنَنّا أَن لَن نُعجِزَ اللَّهَ فِى الأَرضِ وَلَن نُعجِزَهُ هَرَبًا
" `When we heard the guidance, we believed therein. Anyone who believes in his Lord will never fear any injustice, nor any affliction.
وَأَنّا لَمّا سَمِعنَا الهُدىٰ ءامَنّا بِهِ فَمَن يُؤمِن بِرَبِّهِ فَلا يَخافُ بَخسًا وَلا رَهَقًا
" `Among us are the submitters, and among us are the compromisers.' " As for those who submitted, they are on the right path.
وَأَنّا مِنَّا المُسلِمونَ وَمِنَّا القٰسِطونَ فَمَن أَسلَمَ فَأُولٰئِكَ تَحَرَّوا رَشَدًا

Listen and enjoy ,if you prefer:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/59lG22oxhZA.

Lessons from the past are many for us to reflect on and avoid the same mistakes like:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NXvx2A6hgy4

GOD bless you ,
TOTAL LOYALTY TO GOD ALONE.   IN GOD I TRUST
38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?
[url="https://total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/?p=28"]https://total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/?p=28[/url]

JinnJinn

Quote from: good logic on October 15, 2024, 04:40:58 PMGreetings JinnJinn.

Qoran is amazing , never mind interpretations that differ if the person follows the straight path and peacefulness, they succeed..
Oh , your name reminds me of this surah:

Say, "I was inspired that a group of jinns listened, then said, `We have heard a wonderful Qoran.*
قُل أوحِىَ إِلَىَّ أَنَّهُ استَمَعَ نَفَرٌ مِنَ الجِنِّ فَقالوا إِنّا سَمِعنا قُرءانًا عَجَبًا
" `It guides to righteousness, and we have believed in it; we will never set up any idols besides our Lord.
يَهدى إِلَى الرُّشدِ فَـٔامَنّا بِهِ وَلَن نُشرِكَ بِرَبِّنا أَحَدًا
" `The Most High is our only Lord. He never had a mate, nor a son.
وَأَنَّهُ تَعٰلىٰ جَدُّ رَبِّنا مَا اتَّخَذَ صٰحِبَةً وَلا وَلَدًا
" `It is the foolish among us who used to utter such nonsense about God.
وَأَنَّهُ كانَ يَقولُ سَفيهُنا عَلَى اللَّهِ شَطَطًا
" `We thought that neither the humans, nor the jinns, could possibly utter lies about God.
وَأَنّا ظَنَنّا أَن لَن تَقولَ الإِنسُ وَالجِنُّ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا
" `Human beings used to seek power through jinn beings, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity.
وَأَنَّهُ كانَ رِجالٌ مِنَ الإِنسِ يَعوذونَ بِرِجالٍ مِنَ الجِنِّ فَزادوهُم رَهَقًا
" `They thought, just like you thought, that God would not send another (messenger).
وَأَنَّهُم ظَنّوا كَما ظَنَنتُم أَن لَن يَبعَثَ اللَّهُ أَحَدًا
...
" `We have no idea if something bad is intended for the inhabitants of Earth, or if their Lord wills to redeem them.
وَأَنّا لا نَدرى أَشَرٌّ أُريدَ بِمَن فِى الأَرضِ أَم أَرادَ بِهِم رَبُّهُم رَشَدًا
" `Some of us are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths.
وَأَنّا مِنَّا الصّٰلِحونَ وَمِنّا دونَ ذٰلِكَ كُنّا طَرائِقَ قِدَدًا
" `We knew full well that we can never run away from God on Earth; we can never run away and escape.
وَأَنّا ظَنَنّا أَن لَن نُعجِزَ اللَّهَ فِى الأَرضِ وَلَن نُعجِزَهُ هَرَبًا
" `When we heard the guidance, we believed therein. Anyone who believes in his Lord will never fear any injustice, nor any affliction.
وَأَنّا لَمّا سَمِعنَا الهُدىٰ ءامَنّا بِهِ فَمَن يُؤمِن بِرَبِّهِ فَلا يَخافُ بَخسًا وَلا رَهَقًا
" `Among us are the submitters, and among us are the compromisers.' " As for those who submitted, they are on the right path.
وَأَنّا مِنَّا المُسلِمونَ وَمِنَّا القٰسِطونَ فَمَن أَسلَمَ فَأُولٰئِكَ تَحَرَّوا رَشَدًا

Listen and enjoy ,if you prefer:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/59lG22oxhZA.

Lessons from the past are many for us to reflect on and avoid the same mistakes like:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NXvx2A6hgy4

GOD bless you,
Hey Greetings,
Good Evening,
It's good that someone is using verses from the Quran alone to reply rather than writing his views. I do appreciate it.
The straight path is in the Al Quran, but do we follow a straight path from the Al Quran or lean toward invented paths? If Quran says 2+2=4 and if we say 5 then we don't follow the straight path you refer buddy. How did we get 5 is the question mark, and can we call 5 as a straight path and follow till death and hope for better? Until you find 2+2=4, you are not following the straight path from the book called Al Quran. The unresolved mystery is, why do we choose 5 instead of 4 and be happy with 5 leaving the right option of 4? And why does Allah let those who have chosen 5, remain in 5?
Following falsehood from the Quran or outside of, it won't change the fact that falsehood remains false. Just a gentle reminder.