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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2023, 10:24:49 AM »
I mean it is inevitable that Adam and Even were meant to be deceived by Iblis and then whole concept of lust appearing to them and from it many children were born and why to put a blame on Iblis alone if this whole drama was already planned beforehand?
Sorry if am being blasphemous because I only wanted to ask whats in my mind to hope that my doubts are clear.
Certainly I believe in the creator and thank him for all the beautiful things he given us.

Only for the 'beautiful'?

How do you know 'beautiful' when 'not beautiful' do not exist?
And how do you know 'empathy' when 'self/ego centricity' do not exist?
And how do you know 'love' when 'hatred' do not exist?
And how do you know 'humility' when 'pride' do not exist?
And how do you know 'light' when 'darkness' do not exist?
How do you know 'is' when 'is not' do not exist?

Everything in this universe is based on those opposing pair concept.
Some actors choose to play the "is" role and some actors choose to play the "is not " role.
Yet all actors are serving the director, in their own unique way.
So yes nobody is to blame, either the "protagonist" or the "antagonist".

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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2023, 11:03:09 PM »
Only for the 'beautiful'?

How do you know 'beautiful' when 'not beautiful' do not exist?
And how do you know 'empathy' when 'self/ego centricity' do not exist?
And how do you know 'love' when 'hatred' do not exist?
And how do you know 'humility' when 'pride' do not exist?
And how do you know 'light' when 'darkness' do not exist?
How do you know 'is' when 'is not' do not exist?

Everything in this universe is based on those opposing pair concept.
Some actors choose to play the "is" role and some actors choose to play the "is not " role.
Yet all actors are serving the director, in their own unique way.
So yes nobody is to blame, either the "protagonist" or the "antagonist".

Yes you are right, how would we value the blessing of life for our loved ones. if we dont know, realize and witness death and some very tragic deaths. One of my nephew in a very young age died and since then i live in fear and gratitude to almighty for my own children.
Some times I feel whatever going to happen will happen to me or to humanity as a whole and nothing can change that or alter it. As if this is a movie am playing a part and i will have to accept what ever the plot or role or twist comes in.
In Quran God has also revealed that to some nations or some specific person(s) he favored among all worlds,... then there are those "not favored" or "not so blessed with his mercy".. the concept you mentioned as opposite pairs.


However the only thing which makes me feel so hopeful is that despite all, God reward the mohsineen and shakereen. (i could not find the exact english words that conveys the powerful arabic words here). Quran 37:105

So I am hopeful that the good deeds wont go away all in vain and that perhaps God will forgive us for our transgressions



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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2023, 07:56:27 PM »
Yes you are right, how would we value the blessing of life for our loved ones. if we dont know, realize and witness death and some very tragic deaths. One of my nephew in a very young age died and since then i live in fear and gratitude to almighty for my own children.

Consciousness never dies, identity / physical bodies shall wither and dies.
Even planet or even stars, all of it will dies.
Yet a new stars and planet will born from the debris.. from death, a new creation is born.
The only thing that doesn't change is change.

Thus when one does not fear death any longer, what else thus he/she will fear?
Understand this to overcome and transmute the negative vibration of fear.

"Do not attach yourself to something that is impermanent"
-- Siddharta

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Some times I feel whatever going to happen will happen to me or to humanity as a whole and nothing can change that or alter it. As if this is a movie am playing a part and i will have to accept what ever the plot or role or twist comes in. In Quran God has also revealed that to some nations or some specific person(s) he favored among all worlds,... then there are those "not favored" or "not so blessed with his mercy".. the concept you mentioned as opposite pairs.

Everyone and everything is equally blessed with the source / father / creator mercy.
A suggestion that a specific group or specific identity is preferred / superior above others comes from the "negative" or the "is not". As it's the essence of "Pride".

We can observe the following:
- The superiority of Aryan race as proposed by Nazi Germany
- The superiority of Japanese as proposed by Japanese empire.
- The racial white preference of colonial period.
- The preferential of "Christians" over the pagans / non jesus believers.
- The preferential of "Chosen People" over the goyims (other nations) as mentioned in the Tanakh.
- The preferential of "Muslims" over the "Kufr".

While Pride has it's opposite pair, Humility.

You are not inferior to Satan, Devil and whatever names one came up for the "negatives".
They are vibrating at 'lower frequency' and they will try to instill 'pride' as an entrance to lower your frequency.
Understand 'how they works' through your own discernment and they shall no power over you.
Having said that; you are not superior over them either.

"The servants of Ar-Rahman are those who carry themselves around in this world with humility and serenity."
-- Q 25:63

"I have three treasures; Hold onto them and treasure them: Compassion, Frugality and Humility"
-- Tao The Ching

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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2023, 10:43:48 AM »
Peace all,

To my Arabic speaking family what does the word "fi" mean?

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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2023, 01:41:31 PM »
"Do not attach yourself to something that is impermanent"
-- Siddharta
"The servants of Ar-Rahman are those who carry themselves around in this world with humility and serenity."
-- Q 25:63

"I have three treasures; Hold onto them and treasure them: Compassion, Frugality and Humility"
-- Tao The Ching

Bro, I would like to ask one clarification please.
You mix quotes from different schools of thoughts and no doubt those are pearls of wisdom like you mentioned above from Siddharta.
However you know that some of those folks teaching are not aligned with Islam in principle.
For example:
As per Buddhism the concept is we are trapped souls that are used by a higher civilization. and we are controlled by the mechanism of karma and the wheel of samsara- a continuous life-death cycle -
Now if the above is true then it is not aligned with Quran . so how do you mix and quote Quran along with such other quotes?
if am wrong please correct me.

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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2023, 07:48:24 PM »
However you know that some of those folks teaching are not aligned with Islam in principle.

Ponder then what is islam? for me it's not a label or name of a religion.

Yes what Jesus teaches, Siddhartha teaches, Lao Tse teaches is not aligned with the religion labelled Islam,  Catholicism, Prostestanism, Orthodoxism, Rabbanical Judaism. In fact they're at the opposition.

The difference between islam and religion named Islam is like the difference between democratic and democrat party. One is a characteristic the other one is a political party. You can find democrats not only within democrat party, infact many members of the democrat party are actually not democratic at all.

“Not my will, but yours be done,”
-- Jesus, Luke 22

"Only three things matters: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. As the root of all suffering is attachment."
-- Siddhartha

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For example: As per Buddhism the concept is we are trapped souls that are used by a higher civilization. and we are controlled by the mechanism of karma and the wheel of samsara- a continuous life-death cycle -

Yes the law of action (also known as Karma) is a universal law, expressed by many statement such as it's the 'what goes around comes around', 'whatever good things that you do you are doing it to your own soul, whatever bad things that you do you are doing it to your own soul', 'forgive and you shall be forgiven, judge and you shall be judged'.. etc..

Life ends with death and death mark the beginning of 'life', the end always mark the beginning of something else and the beginning marks the end of something else, it's two side of the same coin. It's the universal law of anything. The end of Nazi Germany marks the beginning of Democratic Germany, the end of a star marks the beginning of new star (or even stars).

Soul is not 'trapped', it's the consciousness that is 'trapped', if we want to use that word.
Trapped to it's own attachment towards something, so nobody trapped it, it's trapped by it's own attachment.

As such that 'letting go' shall break those attachment.
And 'forgiveness' is among the expression of 'letting go', thus many say 'forgiveness shall break the bond of karma'.

"Forgive others not because they deserve forgiveness, but because you deserve peace"
-- Siddhartha

"forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors."
-- Jesus

Or better yet not to get into the attachment situation in the first place.

"I cannot forgive you because I have no grudge against you."
-- Siddhartha

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Now if the above is true then it is not aligned with Quran . so how do you mix and quote Quran along with such other quotes?

I only accept those which resonate with my conscience, regardless of the sources.

That's what Jesus did when he read the Torah by the way... some of the passage there troubled him, thus he start the journey of seeking, following his conscience. The same goes with Siddhartha, Muhammad, Rumi and many others, their 'journey' usually start with something that troubled them. Troubled their conscience.

Conscience, everyone has it and it's the ultimate guide.
Although known by many names, some named it as "Holy Spirit" (Ruhul Kudus, Ruach Ha Kodesh), some named it Atman (The ultimate self) and some others call it as "Higher Self".
Nonetheless everyone has it without exception, including you.

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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2023, 08:49:48 PM »
Ponder then what is islam? for me it's not a label or name of a religion.

Yes what Jesus teaches, Siddhartha teaches, Lao Tse teaches is not aligned with the religion labelled Islam,  Catholicism, Prostestanism, Orthodoxism, Rabbanical Judaism. In fact they're at the opposition.

The difference between islam and religion named Islam is like the difference between democratic and democrat party. One is a characteristic the other one is a political party. You can find democrats not only within democrat party, infact many members of the democrat party are actually not democratic at all.

“Not my will, but yours be done,”
-- Jesus, Luke 22

"Only three things matters: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. As the root of all suffering is attachment."
-- Siddhartha

Yes the law of action (also known as Karma) is a universal law, expressed by many statement such as it's the 'what goes around comes around', 'whatever good things that you do you are doing it to your own soul, whatever bad things that you do you are doing it to your own soul', 'forgive and you shall be forgiven, judge and you shall be judged'.. etc..

Life ends with death and death mark the beginning of 'life', the end always mark the beginning of something else and the beginning marks the end of something else, it's two side of the same coin. It's the universal law of anything. The end of Nazi Germany marks the beginning of Democratic Germany, the end of a star marks the beginning of new star (or even stars).

Soul is not 'trapped', it's the consciousness that is 'trapped', if we want to use that word.
Trapped to it's own attachment towards something, so nobody trapped it, it's trapped by it's own attachment.

As such that 'letting go' shall break those attachment.
And 'forgiveness' is among the expression of 'letting go', thus many say 'forgiveness shall break the bond of karma'.

"Forgive others not because they deserve forgiveness, but because you deserve peace"
-- Siddhartha

"forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors."
-- Jesus

Or better yet not to get into the attachment situation in the first place.

"I cannot forgive you because I have no grudge against you."
-- Siddhartha

I only accept those which resonate with my conscience, regardless of the sources.

That's what Jesus did when he read the Torah by the way... some of the passage there troubled him, thus he start the journey of seeking, following his conscience. The same goes with Siddhartha, Muhammad, Rumi and many others, their 'journey' usually start with something that troubled them. Troubled their conscience.

Conscience, everyone has it and it's the ultimate guide.
Although known by many names, some named it as "Holy Spirit" (Ruhul Kudus, Ruach Ha Kodesh), some named it Atman (The ultimate self) and some others call it as "Higher Self".
Nonetheless everyone has it without exception, including you.

Taoism and Budhism have No God and in contrast the Author of Quran is God and He is the Creator of Earth and Heavens... So the way of life (Deen) preached in Quran is entirely different to what Taoism and Budhism do preach...  Unless what came to us through Taoism and Budhism are not real messages what they preached...  Since we don't find a single statement of Creator or One God in Budhist text it may well be what those preached...

Yes.. Islam is not religion in its core.. But Islam is Surrendering to the Creator  ..  It is pointless making everything equal fir the sake of unity... Quran condemns Association and I don't see Budhism or Taoism do so. 

Anyway...  What's your benefit Jaffer...  You are on one path or you are riding in every horse at the same time... I am not gonna ask what your religion is since there is no religion in God's eye...  Do you accept God and Quran?.  I don't ask do you accept God and Torah since you are in modern era...  If you accept Creator and Quran then pointless talking about Taoism and Budhism... Not coz I have any issue with it or those who follow them but they never go in line with Creator's book Quran.. So how much you try to incorporate all into one it never becomes true... God's words not equal to human's...  Are Taoism from God?  Or Budhism from God then prove it...  You are free to prove...

FYI..  I am a believer in One God the Creator of earth and heavens and I accept Quran as His one of the books...
What is your belief if you have courage to say?

When you said in your private message to me to read other than quran for guidance would you think I am so lenient and would do.  .. Lol... What's your agenda in this forum  .  Is it to promote Taoism and Budhism  .. Then why not openly proclaim and do. Would anyone stop you?  .. Why play cat and mouse to reach your goal ... 

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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2023, 10:12:44 PM »
Taoism and Budhism have No God and in contrast the Author of Quran is God and He is the Creator of Earth and Heavens...

Siddhartha answered "There is God" to those who are atheist and "There is no God" to those who are theist.
Because he sees, both group are actually within the same camp, believing on something that they don't know.
He hoped that the answer triggered both to start the seeking.

There is something which cannot be mistaken with something else.
It's INFINITY.
Boundless has no border on any dimension as such that there could only be one of it.

Lao Tse named it Tao, and Siddhartha mentioned that it's the ultimate goal, see how he describe what Nirvana really is.


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So the way of life (Deen) preached in Quran is entirely different to what Taoism and Budhism do preach...

In terms of way of life, there is similarity, no attachment / sincerity / surrender.


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Since we don't find a single statement of Creator or One God in Budhist text it may well be what those preached...

That's actually the beauty of Siddharta's style...
He do not dogmatize the answer, he recommend one to SEEK the answer.
Thus they will NOT BELIEVE but they KNOW, as it has become their own experience.

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Quran condemns Association and I don't see Budhism or Taoism do so. 

Since there could only be one INFINITE.
How could 'association to other INFINITE' be possible to start with?
Thus why even it need to be discussed?
Why waste energy to discuss whether there are other infinite other than infinite, given it's very obvious?

Those who say that "You shall have no other man beside me" implies that actually there exist many other man beside him.

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Are Taoism from God?  Or Budhism from God then prove it...  You are free to prove...

Isn't THE INFINITE created EVERY THING?

Then why need to prove that 'a thing' (whatever that is) is from the infinite?
Since everything is, and there's none that is not?

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When you said in your private message to me to read other than quran for guidance would you think I am so lenient and would do. 

My recommendation to you (and to many others) is to follow your own conscience, as the infinite spoke through it. You are not lesser (or greater) than Jesus, Siddhartha, Lao Tse, Muhammad, Rumi, deities, gods, angels, demons, aliens whomever.
You need to walk the path, the path will be different than them definitely, as each will be unique, but the destination will be the same regardless which path that you took.


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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2023, 10:30:11 PM »
Siddhartha answered "There is God" to those who are atheist and "There is no God" to those who are theist.
Because he sees, both group are actually within the same camp, believing on something that they don't know.
He hoped that the answer triggered both to start the seeking.


This is what it us written in Budhist scriptures...
But Jafar... The creator of Earth and Heavens through His all Messengers from Nova to Mohamed said and commanded to say God is one and don't associate with Him anything... So why would Budda say No God to Theist and there is God to Atheist...  It is completely agaisnt all Messengers preached.. .  People don't won't confusionism.  But they want clarity... God never changes his Sunnah.. That was common to all Messengers to deliver message of core..

On the other hand...  Attachment is life and life is love... Yes attachment has good and bad as outcome even mentally or physically... But God never ordered to be away from attachment... People should have patience and strength to control the ramifications of attachment.. But solution is not to move away from attachment... That's nonsense... Life is full of learning and learn from the attachment of life..

Whatever you have written other than is meaningless for me... Thank you...

Why you failed to answer my important question..  Have you no courage to reply? Lol
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Re: I have a weird question
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2023, 10:38:54 PM »
Yes attachment has good and bad as outcome even mentally or physically...

Yes through physical life experience you shall attached yourself to many things.
1. to the figure that you saw in the mirror.
2. to any other form of identification that's attached to that figure (my ethnicity, my race, my religion, my nationality, my home, my money, my holy books, my books, my hands, my legs, my football club, my reputation, my ideas, my webforum avatar and many other things)

Yet that figure in the mirror will die eventually and so does all of other form of identification, it just a matter of time.
Thus the process of 'detachment' need to be started, naturally,