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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2022, 02:35:22 AM »
If everything is evolved then who the begger is God? 

Or else you are trying to say everything evolved but God let it evolve.. For evolution also there must be God behind it?  Give me a break..
Let's keep for a second everything evolved...  So why we need a system in this Earth while everyone has their own freedom to live on their own way regardless of good and bad.. Human must be the funniest and weakest of creature to bring God in life while animal live on their own as they evolved..

We have a life span is this evolved life... So many things happening within our world.. So everyone was evolved and no justice in Earth to everyone and with death everything is terminated... So is this the purpose of evolving..
So what is the purpose of life in the light of evolution?

So do you believe in God while God is a myth and weak people's  invention...  What part a God can do in evolution...?  Literally nothing.. Sorry.. Everything evolved so why we need God in life?  Godless life is so beautiful so we can be free from fear or punishment... Or we can be brave in this life by deceiving every weak junk person who doesn't deserve to live on this competitive world where only intelligent has a place to live with power...

Don't get angry with me.. Just hypothetical question...  If you have a wife and some intelligent person raped and killed and enjoyed and went far ahead in life...  What would you do if justice if this world failed to punish that person.. Why you need justice while you were weak and not able to save your wife..?  So you revenging mind will fade off with time.. Or forgive him.. Or why forgive while there is no life after death.. Coz to have life after death then there must be creation...  So no creation so no punishment no justice.. Or do you wait until evolve again and revenge.. Do you think practically evolution woukd suit human nature..?  While we naturally built up with some of created creature?

Don't get angry, but this is the most stupid reply I have ever read in my whole life. Why do you think that evolving means there is no God? God is the one who evolves, as he's Al-Musawwair. 'The Painter', 'The Shaper' and 'The Evolver'. How does a painter paint? Gradually, slowly, one by one. Not suddenly. Why don't you understand that life is full of processes and means. Why don't you pray God and do nothing and see if you can achieve something.

Or I think you live in a world where things happen by magic all the time. So in your world zebra was discovered by someone who was driving on a highway when suddenly he saw a Zebra come out of no where and crashed with the car. Or giraffes' necks were made longer because ancient people used to massage necks of Zebras. Do you have an alternative? If evolution didn't happen then did dogs first appear in your backyard. Is that scientific knowledge you want to teach your children and keep them mentally inept?

What in your brain is stopping you to believe in hereafter if you believe we evolved. Evolution is guided by God, He is the fashioner of it. He is the one who made everything. But he used the process of evolution. What's wrong with it? Do you not understand that in growth there is wisdom of God? Don't things improve and those that don't fade out, get extinct, are forgotten or become obsolete?

Don't teach me all these things! Go write a scientific white paper and prove evolution wrong. Don't just say stuff because you have a mouth. Even I can say whatever I want without checking my words but I am different. Nothing you say can change what's true. It's what it is. Take it or leave it. We are grown men, not childish to make assumptions that don't relate to each other. Your complaints should be to an atheist who doesn't believes in God, not to someone who believes in both Evolution and God. So your whole ranting is moot.

Isn't this sign from God what he wants from us? Constantly work hard to improve and remove our shortcomings. What do you not understand about Evolution is beyond me. Equating evolution with no hereafter is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Morality is stronger in people who acquire knowledge, humility and compassion are also found more in people who are not rigid and self-righteous. Look at what your self-righteousness gave you? Countries like Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Palestine. Each day our brothers are dying and who is winning this war if we don't wake up now?

What will become of us if we don't embrace Science? You think you are to be left alone. No Sir! You will be punished for ignoring God's gifts, his knowledge, his wisdom and all the beautiful things in the world to expand your horizon than living in the sorry state you are in. Stop blaming God for your own crimes. God is not weak, it is your evolved understanding of him that made you think so and say make such horrible assumptions about God and not ready to hear another point of view, even when you can see clearly the goodness in it.

You talk about afterlife, what have you done in this life? How can you be granted a good life if in this life you have shown zero improvement, traces of knowledge, wisdom, love, compassion and tolerance. When we see signs of God, we see how beautifully he has made so much variety in the world, so many races, cultures, all from humble beginnings. That's the God I love. Not the God who's constantly telling the likes of you that 'Don't use your brain!'

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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2022, 01:19:47 AM »
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”— Mark Twain

They found ape like creatures that may have walked upright — so which were Adam et al?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-human-familys-earliest-ancestors-7372974/

https://www.livescience.com/oldest-denisovan-fossils-in-siberian-cave

The premise of evolution theory is everything came from nothing and over time got smarter.

Program or algorithm cannot replace human thought nor self-replicating, error correcting, copy, delete, inheriting, adaptive 4-bit chemical code with complete blueprints to clone itself from any of its trillions of cells that start as a microscopic speck, add water and it grows then contemplates its beginnings and the universe with billions of galaxies which all came nothing and 92 elements mixing over time e.g., rocks left alone billions of years one day “awake” asking – how it all came about?

There is adaptive code not evolving code!

Years ago a program beat a grandmaster in chess (10^120 permutations or ~2 games for each electron in the known visible universe) 1997 Deep Blue vs Garry Kasparov.

In Quantum computing or fancy IF Then Else permutations — if variables are known humans can’t compete although add a variable (new chess piece) AI becomes dumb as a rock!

Who were playing with megaliths in the earth?

https://youtube.com/shorts/2Xs2Sh8KspA?feature=share

One can actually make a case for de-evolution!

8:22 indeed worst the creatures near/with the God the deaf the dumb the ones not reasoning

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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2022, 11:41:15 AM »
 
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”— Mark Twain

They found ape like creatures that may have walked upright — so which were Adam et al?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-human-familys-earliest-ancestors-7372974/

https://www.livescience.com/oldest-denisovan-fossils-in-siberian-cave

The premise of evolution theory is everything came from nothing and over time got smarter.

Program or algorithm cannot replace human thought nor self-replicating, error correcting, copy, delete, inheriting, adaptive 4-bit chemical code with complete blueprints to clone itself from any of its trillions of cells that start as a microscopic speck, add water and it grows then contemplates its beginnings and the universe with billions of galaxies which all came nothing and 92 elements mixing over time e.g., rocks left alone billions of years one day “awake” asking – how it all came about?

There is adaptive code not evolving code!

Years ago a program beat a grandmaster in chess (10^120 permutations or ~2 games for each electron in the known visible universe) 1997 Deep Blue vs Garry Kasparov.

In Quantum computing or fancy IF Then Else permutations — if variables are known humans can’t compete although add a variable (new chess piece) AI becomes dumb as a rock!

Who were playing with megaliths in the earth?

https://youtube.com/shorts/2Xs2Sh8KspA?feature=share

One can actually make a case for de-evolution!

8:22 indeed worst the creatures near/with the God the deaf the dumb the ones not reasoning

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about th’universe! - Albert Einstein!

Quotes don't change reality. Why don't you go to Scientific community and tell them to change this retarded theory. Who likes it? Personally, I don't like Plate Tectonics theory as well as I'd like to believe that Earthquakes actually happen when Infinite Turtles below Earth move. Gives me peace of mind thinking at least we have strong foundation of Infinite Turtles to support Earth.

Yeah! And one more thing. Why should we believe that Earth moves around itself to produce day and night. That one also makes me dizzy. I like to stay stationary so please also tell them to all agree that Sun is moving around the Earth as it feels more natural to me.

Your feelings are worth nothing to the Scientific Community. Forget about Scientific Community. You are even denying Quran.

Just explain these verses:

71:17 And caused you to [spring up, sprout] from Earth like a plant,

11:61 Produced you from Earth (through 3.8 years of Evolution) and settled you therein.

29:20 Travel the Earth and see how the creation started.

2:21 O Humanity, worship your Lord who created you and those before you, so that you may become mindful (of Him). (Note: This verse is addressing whole of humanity past, present and future that there were those before you).

4:133 If He wills, He can do away with you, O mankind, and bring others. For Allah has power to do that. (Again, whole of mankind/humanity is addressed here)

76:1 Has there not come upon human a period of time when he was nothing to be mentioned?

76:28 We created them and strengthened their form and when we will, we can change their likeness with a change.

4:133 If He wills, He can do away with you, O mankind, and bring others. For Allah has power to do that. (Again, whole of mankind is addressed)

6:133 Thus your Lord is the Self-Sufficient, the Possessor of Mercy. If He wills, He can do away with you (plural) and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He initiated you from the descendants of other people.

3:33 Indeed, God has chosen Adam and Noah and family of Abraham and family of Imran over the Worlds.

3:34 Descendants some of them from others and God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (How was Adam the first human if he too had descendants?)

32:9 Then He perfected/proportioned him and breathed into him from His soul. (Why perfect something that's already perfect).

71:14 And indeed, He created you in diverse stages.

82:7 Who created you, fashioned you, and perfected your design, (What's the need to say create then fashion and then perfect?)

2:30 So when your Lord told the angels: "I am placing a successor on Earth", they said: "Will You place someone there who will corrupt it and shed blood, while we hymn your praise and sanctify You?" He God said: "Indeed, I know something you do not know." (Nobody has Knowledge of Unseen except God, so how did angels knew we will shed blood? Because they saw previous generations before Adam that shed blood. Scholars who say it is referring to Jinns forget that Jinns are made of smokeless fire, blood has to do with animal kingdom)

Before God we are all equally wise, and equally foolish. - Albert Einstein

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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2022, 11:44:56 AM »
Please don't assume that the whole of Science and the intelligence of God himself is somehow based on what happens in the teeny weeny brain of yours. It is you that has to change your point of view, not the huge mass of highly intellectuals on this Earth nor God who knows more than all of us.

I made a video to make the likes of you dumbfounded. Watch it and be mesmerized with wisdom of God - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuq23pklsx4

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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2022, 01:58:41 PM »
Just explain these verses:

71:17 And caused you to [spring up, sprout] from Earth like a plant,

Please don't assume

already posted for your tiny walnut monkey brain Maryam was not "like a plant" nabātan

3:37 so accepted her lord hers with acceptance best wa-anbatahā nabātan

rest of verses posted do not say Adam was a monkey as you!

suggest you learn the basics starting with endings e.g., "dual"

2:35 and said we of O Adam settles thou and spouse your (sing.) the garden (paradise) and eat "dual" from it freely anyplace like you "dual" and not thou approach "dual" this the tree so being "dual" among the wrongdoers

2:36 so made slip them "dual" the devil about it so evicts them "dual" from what were "dual" in it and said we of descends ye of some you (pl.) to others enemy and for you (pl.) in the land designation and wherewithal towards period


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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2022, 02:54:21 PM »
already posted for your tiny walnut monkey brain Maryam was not "like a plant" nabātan

3:37 so accepted her lord hers with acceptance best wa-anbatahā nabātan

rest of verses posted do not say Adam was a monkey as you!

suggest you learn the basics starting with endings e.g., "dual"

2:35 and said we of O Adam settles thou and spouse your (sing.) the garden (paradise) and eat "dual" from it freely anyplace like you "dual" and not thou approach "dual" this the tree so being "dual" among the wrongdoers

2:36 so made slip them "dual" the devil about it so evicts them "dual" from what were "dual" in it and said we of descends ye of some you (pl.) to others enemy and for you (pl.) in the land designation and wherewithal towards period

I knew you will loose your cool! What else can you do? I can also call you a pig who doesn't understand anything, (in response to you calling me monkey), don't I have a mouth like you? But I chose not to do it because I fear God, not like you that can easily turn to true colors once refuted badly. That happens! Do you know what people called Prophet when he started to bring out the truth?

Truth is always bitter. Now you know what's actually happening to you. You are so adamant to make a point without refuting all that I said in all the posts I made to prove Evolution. All you could do is pick handful of verses I sent, mix them ludicrously and out of context and ignore all the others just to make a point.

At least you could have remained intellectually honest to yourself (if not to me) and know that evolution of cyanobacteria (first plants) around 3.2 billion years ago can't be equated with Marium bearing a child. These are two separate events in two different time periods and have totally different contexts. Note the verse I posted is saying 'from Earth like a plant', this is not Marium as Marium didn't come from Earth. The verse you posted is different context altogether as it doesn't speak about 'Earth' but what Marium bore.

Wow! What a logical way to equate two different subjects with each other that don't have any commonality and make a stupid point. Is that the most you can do? I think you might be smarter than this, but I doubt it now. I hope I am not talking to a 3 year old (calling you 5 years old is an insult to 5 year olds).

Talking to you is useless. Go prove your point to Scientific Community of hundreds of thousands of Scientists, not me. I am not going to further talk to you as you have turned into a zombie mode and so wish you can kill me right now :P That shows your ignorance. You don't even have basic understanding of how to talk to people, let alone argue and make your case. We part ways, let it be to you your religion and to me my religion.

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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2022, 03:49:38 PM »
Please don't assume ... based on what happens in the teeny weeny brain of yours.

I knew you will loose your cool!

I'm very calm!  :laugh:

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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2022, 06:06:49 AM »
7:24-25 said descends ye of some you (pl.) to other/s enemy and for you (pl.) in the land designation and wherewithal towards period said therein living and therein thou dying and from it (f) thou brought forth being

Why are Random Mutations a Problem for Evolution? - Dr. Kevin Anderson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD4VnmBaXNw

those believing everything comes from "nothing" and "get smart" are kafaru

2:6 indeed the ones kafaru/reject they of equitable upon them that warn thou them or not thou warn them not they believing


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Re: Evolution and Creation: Clash or One Reality
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2022, 06:28:28 AM »
7:24-25 said descends ye of some you (pl.) to other/s enemy and for you (pl.) in the land designation and wherewithal towards period said therein living and therein thou dying and from it (f) thou brought forth being

Why are Random Mutations a Problem for Evolution? - Dr. Kevin Anderson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD4VnmBaXNw

those believing everything comes from "nothing" and "get smart" are kafaru

2:6 indeed the ones kafaru/reject they of equitable upon them that warn thou them or not thou warn them not they believing

Good for you to keep your cool.

No one is believing that everything comes from nothing, its your assumption. God guided evolution. Meaning! Evolution is the law, God is the law giver. Plate Tectonics is the law. God is the law giver. Bing bang is the law. God is the law giver. Solar Nebula Coalescing is the law. God is the law giver.

It is your assumption brother.