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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2022, 11:43:39 PM »
It is also evident from your posts you simply know not what is "repetition" in literature. It is rhetorical device. Just google "repetition as rhetoric device" you may get some knowledge and understand how to read and understand a non-fiction book.

Also find time to read as to what is Narrative writing and how it is structured.

I have been sincerely suggesting you. Don't make it an ego issue. One learns all the life.

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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2022, 11:52:23 PM »
I have been sincerely suggesting you. Don't make it an ego issue. One learns all the life.

you're the one with the ego! suggesting two episodes 90% same dialog!  :laugh:




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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2022, 01:28:51 AM »
you're the one with the ego! suggesting two episodes 90% same dialog!  :laugh:

Not two; same episode; details and events happened are part of an episode. You fail to notice the difference of time-frames by the word choice. You need to learn reading a Narrative.

You are good in math. Learn understanding verbal texts. 

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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2022, 03:55:29 AM »
Not two; same episode;

Second time is the day of actual performance.

exact same day, time, episode, and dialog! (like partially quoted you above)

7:113/26:41 actual "dialog" that day/time!  أَئِنَّ إِنَّ لَنَا لَأَجْرًا إِنْ كُنَّا نَحْنُ الْغَالِبِينَ
is there indeed for us surely a reward if be we, we are the victors?

similar example 26:50 fuller "dialog" not separate day/time etc.
7:125 said they “indeed we towards lord ours who returning”
26:50 said they “/no dayra/hurt indeed we towards lord ours who returning”

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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2022, 04:40:27 AM »
exact same day, time, episode, and dialog! (like partially quoted you above)

7:113/26:41 actual "dialog" that day/time!  أَئِنَّ إِنَّ لَنَا لَأَجْرًا إِنْ كُنَّا نَحْنُ الْغَالِبِينَ
is there indeed for us surely a reward if be we, we are the victors?

similar example 26:50 fuller "dialog" not separate day/time etc.
7:125 said they “indeed we towards lord ours who returning”
26:50 said they “/no dayra/hurt indeed we towards lord ours who returning”

Why you omit the words to remain adamant?

وَجَآءَ ٱلسَّحَرَةُ فِرْعَوْنَ
قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّ لَنَا لَأَجْرٙا إِن كُنَّا نَـحْنُ ٱلْغَٟلِبِيـنَ  .١١٣

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فَلَمَّا جَآءَ ٱلسَّحَرَةُ قَالُوا۟ لِفِرْعَوْنَ

أَىٕ​ِنَّ لَنَا لَأَجْرٙا إِن كُنَّا نَـحْنُ ٱلْغَٟلِبِيـنَ
 
Why you desperately remain blind in seeing the difference? Both have different meanings. You deliberately consider not and unnecessarily keep regurgitating at the cost of others time.

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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2022, 07:50:25 AM »
Why you omit the words to remain adamant?

7:121 said they “believe we in lord the worlds inhabitants
7:122 lord Musa and Aaron”
7:123 said Firawna “believe you bihi before that I permit to you?”

26:47 said they “believe we in lord the worlds inhabitants
26:48 lord Musa and Aaron”
26:49 said “believe you lahu before that I permit to you?"

which word did he say?

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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2022, 07:58:26 AM »
7:121 said they “believe we in lord the worlds inhabitants
7:122 lord Musa and Aaron”
7:123 said Firawna “believe you bihi before that I permit to you?”

26:47 said they “believe we in lord the worlds inhabitants
26:48 lord Musa and Aaron”
26:49 said “believe you lahu before that I permit to you?"

which word did he say?

What I quoted you avoided that. You are now entering into funny playful mood. It is waste of time. Thanks.

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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2022, 05:11:25 PM »
Peace

Whilst it is true that two different things cannot happen at the exact same time and place (and reality), it is entirely possible for there to be multiple versions/hypotheticals of an event with some having attained reality, and others not having attained reality.

When I looked at all the exchanges between God and Iblees, it seemed to me that there were multiple versions of the same exchange:

15:32 He said, "O Satan, what is the matter that you are not with the prostrators?"
15:33 He said: "I am not to yield to a human being whom You have created from a sludge from hot sediment."

38:75 He said: "O Satan, what prevented you from yielding to what I have created by My hands? Are you too arrogant? Or are you one of those exalted?"
38:76 He said: "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from clay."

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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2022, 12:42:10 PM »
Peace

Whilst it is true that two different things cannot happen at the exact same time and place (and reality), it is entirely possible for there to be multiple versions/hypotheticals of an event with some having attained reality, and others not having attained reality.

When I looked at all the exchanges between God and Iblees, it seemed to me that there were multiple versions of the same exchange:


15:32 He said, "O Satan, what is the matter that you are not with the prostrators?"
15:33 He said: "I am not to yield to a human being whom You have created from a sludge from hot sediment."

38:75 He said: "O Satan, what prevented you from yielding to what I have created by My hands? Are you too arrogant? Or are you one of those exalted?"
38:76 He said: "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from clay."

Peace

peace - no, would be a contradiction (hundreds!)

excerpts are taken from fuller conversations e.g.

7:121 said they “believe we in lord the worlds inhabitants
7:122 lord Musa and Aaron”
7:123 said Firawna “believe you bihi before that I permit to you?”

26:47 said they “believe we in lord the worlds inhabitants
26:48 lord Musa and Aaron”
26:49 said “believe you lahu before that I permit to you?"

which word did he say?


only way to resolve contradiction is fuller transcript what he said ("to him in it"):

“believe you lahu bihi before that I permit to you?”

why quote partially may have to do with code haven't found consistent pattern?


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Re: 7:113 26:41 inconsistent?
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2022, 03:24:56 AM »
Peace

What do you see as contradictory? a or b or other:

a) It is entirely possible for there to be multiple versions/hypotheticals of an event with some having attained reality, and others not having attained reality.

b) The Quran is narrating multiple versions/hypotheticals of an event that have attained reality.

Also, how would the exchange between Iblees and God go? Do you see Quran 38:75 and Quran 15:32 as two separate exchanges, or do you see them as the same exchange? If they are the same exchange, why would God repeat Himself but differently? Why would God say:

15:32..."O Satan, what is the matter that you are not with the prostrators?"

and then again say:

38:75 ..."O Satan, what prevented you from prostrating to what I have created by My hands? Are you too arrogant? Or are you one of those exalted?"