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Re: Age of the people before the flood? Reason why i am starting to disbelieve.
« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2021, 05:24:24 PM »
Thanks John!

So if I understand correctly, scientists have been able to figure out the numbering system used by those people.

Apparently so. However, it's not my area of expertise.

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« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2021, 04:33:42 AM »
Salam ade_cool,

Perhaps this picture will help to visualize (please pardon the slight difference in number for the age of universe - I believe you get the idea):

Wassalam

Yes, I got the idea. Thank you for your explanation.

Peace

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I actually came back to the faith in God. I will not be able to investigate the evolution theory to such a point to say that Adam was evolved from the homo sapiens or not.

I think sinning plays a major role. I used to watch porn a lot and that was the reason for a barrier between me and God. God is Holy. We have to become holy as well. May God forgive us and clean us and guide us.
I really believe sin acts as a barrier, i have seen it in my life.

Also, 55:33 talks about humans traveling through space. I do not believe someone 1400 years ago could invent that.

If Adam became 930 and all humans started with the lifespan of 900 +/-. Then i really believe that sin is the major reason why their lifespans kept being shortened every generation.

There is Wisdom in the evolution and God creating both by proces and from nothing and puting us souls in human bodies here on earth which evolved through the years.

I still have minor doubts. But i ask God to one day reveal Himself to me in such a way that i will hear, see and understand Him.
Questions such as, where are the white messengers? What happened with their messengers between Noahs son Japeth and Jesus?
Where are the Chinese messengers? Where are the African ones?

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I actually came back to the faith in God. I will not be able to investigate the evolution theory to such a point to say that Adam was evolved from the homo sapiens or not.

I think sinning plays a major role. I used to watch porn a lot and that was the reason for a barrier between me and God. God is Holy. We have to become holy as well. May God forgive us and clean us and guide us.
I really believe sin acts as a barrier, i have seen it in my life.

Also, 55:33 talks about humans traveling through space. I do not believe someone 1400 years ago could invent that.

If Adam became 930 and all humans started with the lifespan of 900 +/-. Then i really believe that sin is the major reason why their lifespans kept being shortened every generation.

There is Wisdom in the evolution and God creating both by proces and from nothing and puting us souls in human bodies here on earth which evolved through the years.

I still have minor doubts. But i ask God to one day reveal Himself to me in such a way that i will hear, see and understand Him.
Questions such as, where are the white messengers? What happened with their messengers between Noahs son Japeth and Jesus?
Where are the Chinese messengers? Where are the African ones?

Good Day,

There could be many reasons as to why human beings had such longer life spans during the days of Adam and Noah. One obvious reason is the fact that maybe God wanted mankind to populate the earth more quickly. Thus giving them longer life spans made that possible. Longer lifespans means more children, more people.

Sura 55:33 is prophetic. It talks about mankind being able to travel in space. Jinn have this power already. However one key item you missed in Sura 55...

55:33 O assembly of Jinn and mankind, if you can penetrate the boundaries of the heavens and the earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without might.
Sure 55:35 He sends against both of you projectiles of fire and copper; so you will not succeed.

Basically Sura 55:33 - 35 states that yes mankind and jinn will be able to travel in space HOWEVER there is a barrier or limit they will not be able travel beyond. This has been proven to be a scientific fact by NASA. Only recently it was found out that our entire solar system is surrounded by a highly radioactive and densely hot ball of fire....

Watch video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTna1L1OhXk - We're in a pokeball.

And what should be more frightening to mankind is there is now a growing consensus among astrophysicist and other scientists that building a suitable craft for interstellar travel is impossible since even if we could reach the very edge of our solar system we will not be able to cross outside our boundaries without being burned to a crisp.

Basically mankind and jinn are trapped in our solar system and we cannot escape. This was stated in the Quran 1400 years ago.

Regarding your issues with messengers, yes ALL nations have had messengers. It was only the children of israel that was given prophethood which allowed them to have books. No other nation was given this blessing. However man's salvation is not limited to scripture. It is based on your belief in the existence of a creator and your willingness to do good on earth and not cause corruption. That is the main criteria to enter paradise. Scripture is just a tool to give you assurance, strengthen your faith and improve your knowledge.

Regards,

Kevin




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Good Day,

There could be many reasons as to why human beings had such longer life spans during the days of Adam and Noah. One obvious reason is the fact that maybe God wanted mankind to populate the earth more quickly. Thus giving them longer life spans made that possible. Longer lifespans means more children, more people.

Sura 55:33 is prophetic. It talks about mankind being able to travel in space. Jinn have this power already. However one key item you missed in Sura 55...

55:33 O assembly of Jinn and mankind, if you can penetrate the boundaries of the heavens and the earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without might.
Sure 55:35 He sends against both of you projectiles of fire and copper; so you will not succeed.

Basically Sura 55:33 - 35 states that yes mankind and jinn will be able to travel in space HOWEVER there is a barrier or limit they will not be able travel beyond. This has been proven to be a scientific fact by NASA. Only recently it was found out that our entire solar system is surrounded by a highly radioactive and densely hot ball of fire....

Watch video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTna1L1OhXk - We're in a pokeball.

And what should be more frightening to mankind is there is now a growing consensus among astrophysicist and other scientists that building a suitable craft for interstellar travel is impossible since even if we could reach the very edge of our solar system we will not be able to cross outside our boundaries without being burned to a crisp.

Basically mankind and jinn are trapped in our solar system and we cannot escape. This was stated in the Quran 1400 years ago.

Regarding your issues with messengers, yes ALL nations have had messengers. It was only the children of israel that was given prophethood which allowed them to have books. No other nation was given this blessing. However man's salvation is not limited to scripture. It is based on your belief in the existence of a creator and your willingness to do good on earth and not cause corruption. That is the main criteria to enter paradise. Scripture is just a tool to give you assurance, strengthen your faith and improve your knowledge.

Regards,

Kevin

Thank you for your reply. Are you Dutch?

Yeah i agree, faith is easy and the Books are just tools. It's all about having love for humanity, forgiving, having patience, not judging, feeding the poor.

55:33 is one of the verses which fuels my faith in the unseen. Would be impossible for someone 1400 years ago to talk about space travel..?

Anyways, you said only Bani Israel has the Books? What about the Hindus?

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Thank you for your reply. Are you Dutch?

Yeah i agree, faith is easy and the Books are just tools. It's all about having love for humanity, forgiving, having patience, not judging, feeding the poor.

55:33 is one of the verses which fuels my faith in the unseen. Would be impossible for someone 1400 years ago to talk about space travel..?

Anyways, you said only Bani Israel has the Books? What about the Hindus?

Peace dude..
Easy to make decisions.. Hard to maintain.. Anyway welcome back..
God only knows everyone's  heart ..

BTW when it comes to verse which makes you feel convinced has two parts...

It includes Earth as well.. Boundaries /edges of Earth... Leave the heaven aside.. Just concentrate about Earth..
Have we not gone beyond the boundaries of earth according to science? 
This is the same verse which propels me to think differently to your point of view... This is the verse let me think that earth is stationary and a round circle with extreme boundaries... 

If you take literally,  we have gone beyond the edges of earth.. What makes sense is absolutely stationary... I know it is hard to ponder anything other than spinning earth.. But no harm.. If God want to guide he will open a way.

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Where are the Chinese messengers? Where are the African ones?



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Thank you for your reply. Are you Dutch?

Yeah i agree, faith is easy and the Books are just tools. It's all about having love for humanity, forgiving, having patience, not judging, feeding the poor.

55:33 is one of the verses which fuels my faith in the unseen. Would be impossible for someone 1400 years ago to talk about space travel..?

Anyways, you said only Bani Israel has the Books? What about the Hindus?


Good Day,
No I'm not Dutch. I'm from the Caribbean.

I think there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the purpose of scripture among some muslims. Scripture is not the end all to salvation. You don't need to read a book for you to the saved. This is the beauty of Islam that shatters all other religions. For example in Christianity if you are not baptist or acknowledge christ as your saviour you are condemned to hell if you die.

God is a merciful god. For some people accessing knowledge is impossible. For example let's say you were born in a slave camp in North Korea. You were born a slave and you died as a slave. In Christianity you would burn in hell because anyone born a slave with limited knowledge would struggle to conceive the conception of God when they were living in hell all their lives AND in christianity you need to acknowledge christ. How can anyone acknowledge christ except through a book? God you can conceive without a book but not Jesus.
When contrasted to Islam, if you are constrained and could escape your situation you are exempted and granted mercy in the hereafter. This is stated in the following verses....

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4:97 Those whose lives are terminated by the angels, while they had wronged themselves; they said: "What situation were you in?" They said: "We were oppressed on the earth." They said: "Was the earth of God not wide enough that you could emigrate in it?" To these their abode will be Hell; what a miserable destiny!
4:98 Except for those who were oppressed from the men, women, and children who could not devise a plan nor could be guided to a way.

So you see salvation is not so black and white in Islam as it is in other religions. This goes for even the weakest of society babies and young children. Any that die young without the means to grow and develop all of them are exempted and granted mercy in the hereafter. In christianity they would be condemned to hell.

Yes only the children of Israel were given prophethood and scripture...no other nation was given this blessing by God.

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Sura 29:27 And We granted him Isaac and Jacob, and We made within his progeny the prophethood and the Book. And We gave him his reward in this world, and in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.

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Sura 45:16 And We had given the Children of Israel the Book, and the judgment, and the prophethood, and We provided them with good provisions; and We preferred them over the worlds.
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Sura 57:26 We sent Noah and Abraham, and we granted their descendants prophethood and the scripture. Some of them were guided, while many were wicked.,

However this does not mean that messengers in the past may not have written books themselves or others would not have written down what they dictated to their nation. The books may not have been authorized by God (like those given to the children of israel) however they would still have the knowledge, and the truth.

Regards,

Kevin

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However this does not mean that messengers in the past may not have written books themselves or others would not have written down what they dictated to their nation. The books may not have been authorized by God (like those given to the children of israel) however they would still have the knowledge, and the truth.

Just to elaborate on this last item I mentioned. There are some forms of monotheism in Hinduism. If you look at for example in the Vedas there are teachings that point to the worship of an Almighty God. What this means is to some extent their is proof in other nations of worshipping your creator.

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Good Day,
No I'm not Dutch. I'm from the Caribbean.

I think there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on the purpose of scripture among some muslims. Scripture is not the end all to salvation. You don't need to read a book for you to the saved. This is the beauty of Islam that shatters all other religions. For example in Christianity if you are not baptist or acknowledge christ as your saviour you are condemned to hell if you die.

God is a merciful god. For some people accessing knowledge is impossible. For example let's say you were born in a slave camp in North Korea. You were born a slave and you died as a slave. In Christianity you would burn in hell because anyone born a slave with limited knowledge would struggle to conceive the conception of God when they were living in hell all their lives AND in christianity you need to acknowledge christ. How can anyone acknowledge christ except through a book? God you can conceive without a book but not Jesus.
When contrasted to Islam, if you are constrained and could escape your situation you are exempted and granted mercy in the hereafter. This is stated in the following verses....

So you see salvation is not so black and white in Islam as it is in other religions. This goes for even the weakest of society babies and young children. Any that die young without the means to grow and develop all of them are exempted and granted mercy in the hereafter. In christianity they would be condemned to hell.

Yes only the children of Israel were given prophethood and scripture...no other nation was given this blessing by God.

However this does not mean that messengers in the past may not have written books themselves or others would not have written down what they dictated to their nation. The books may not have been authorized by God (like those given to the children of israel) however they would still have the knowledge, and the truth.

Regards,

Kevin

Thank you for your post. I agree, we do not need to read the Books endlessly to be saved. We just need to love humanity, forgive, have patience and feed the poor. If we do that, we do not have to worry. We only have to worry if we followed something besides God which was fabricated.

Do you know Greek? If not, then maybe you are wrong about the Injeel? No, those who followed the Law will be judged by the Law and those who did not have access to the Law will be judged by the Law that is within them. I do not know what kind of translation you read but..