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Re: Dreadful days are coming
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2021, 03:37:50 AM »
Peace...

Probably Yes.. God has already created Janna and Jahanna... Even probably the Janna adam and rest lived is the same Janna which is the place of shelter for all believers...

But God didnt create everything in vain...  For me.. 400 times bigger sun than earth and 2000 times bigger than sun some stars...  It doesn't make sense... And this moving nonsensical approach of science never matches with Quran.. That's different topic.. For example 35:41 "Indeed, Allah holds/prevents the heavens/skies(samawathi) and the Earth, in case they(both) move. And if they(Earth and Heavens)  move, no one could hold/prevent them after Him. Indeed, He is Forbearing and Forgiving." .... How come one deny such verses of Quran and go for options of moving universes.. Lol.. Whatever..


Hell... Yeah no one can be in hell that's very obvious within Quran... It all will happen after judgement... But in Janna people do live... That's incontrovertible...

But verses like 21:104 ... It seems God promise to repeat like his first creation.. His first creation was Earth and heavens... Who knows may be He will create another adter everything is settled...

Yeah... Janna it's width is the width of Heavens and Earth... Whatever you understand about it.. I don't know... But God's verses are very literal... In 3:133  .. It says it is prepared (uiddath) .. So perhaps.. It is already there... If God says He has prepared in clear verses then it can be the truth.. I leave it to God to guide me and all...



No, just as all the stars and planets in our universe were created for many purposes, the seven universes were created for many purposes.

Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

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By the way, as you know, the number seven means also "many", in Arabic. In other words, the number of universes can be hundreds or even thousands.

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Re: Dreadful days are coming
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2021, 03:47:54 AM »
What about verses 16:29-30 ...does it mean DISBELIVERS enter Jahanna while they die..  Little complicated though..

I will come back to your universe later...

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Re: Dreadful days are coming
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2021, 03:54:40 AM »
No, just as all the stars and planets in our universe were created for many purposes, the seven universes were created for many purposes.

Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

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By the way, as you know, the number seven means also "many", in Arabic. In other words, the number of universes can be hundreds or even thousands.

Peace

And they(other universes) have got creatures:
 
“And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures (daabbah) He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases”

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Re: Dreadful days are coming
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2021, 04:18:30 AM »
No, just as all the stars and planets in our universe were created for many purposes, the seven universes were created for many purposes.

Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe

Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

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By the way, as you know, the number seven means also "many", in Arabic. In other words, the number of universes can be hundreds or even thousands.

Peace

Peace...

I think somehow you are stuck with the verse 65:12 to deduce that God has created seven universes regardless what the universe in its pure form of meaning...

Why don't you go back to the origin... Just look what origin says...
Read verses 41:11-12 does that ever Says... Earths.. But only one Earth... Also note the singular sama...  Then only He made the sama which was like smoke into seven heavens.... Of course one above other... But earth stands as one...

Anyhow... My understanding is beyond your knowledge of what you speak.  .. And the same quran allows me to speak in the way I do but with belief... Only one Earth and only one sama but it is designed physically with various functions so it stands as 7 heavens...

Grasp the meaning of 41:11-12 with utmost effort... Don't rush for myths of solar system and them many millions of solar system becomes a galaxy and many millions of galaxies becomes one universe and perhaps such millions of universes around... While God simply says in between seven heavens he placed moon a light... Are you kidding... What is moon in the midst of universe... Take science if it sounds logical... That's all I have to say...

Have a good journey in your universe fantasy...

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Re: Dreadful days are coming
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2021, 06:42:41 AM »
Peace...

I think somehow you are stuck with the verse 65:12 to deduce that God has created seven universes regardless what the universe in its pure form of meaning...

Why don't you go back to the origin... Just look what origin says...
Read verses 41:11-12 does that ever Says... Earths.. But only one Earth... Also note the singular sama...  Then only He made the sama which was like smoke into seven heavens.... Of course one above other... But earth stands as one...



No;

If you read my article in which I gave machine translation, I presented two different models in which the universes are both intertwined and separate. Both are multiverses. The Quran clearly presents a model of the multiverse. They all have different laws and purposes. Even if you see these universes as a single intertwined Cosmos, they are still multiverses.

You do not read the Qur'an in its entirety, because it denies your thoughts.

For example, you take the verse where the stars are for ornamental purposes, but you ignore the verses that mention the stars as a night guide or other purposes. Stop taking the verses one by one. Evaluate in its entirety.

Stars, planets and universes also have multiple purposes of creation. It has multiple functions.

The Qur'an clearly states that there are more than one universe, that each universe has planets and even different living things.

I hope you get out of the grip of the fake Bible someday, my friend.

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Re: Dreadful days are coming
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2021, 04:50:12 PM »
Yes, volcanoes are erupting at the same time all over the world now, and it seems that more and more photos and evidence of what is thought to belong to the Nemesis Planetary System are being obtained every day.

Illuminati elements, called the elites who rule the world, in the mountains etc. It is claimed that they are in the process of settling in their shelters that could provide them with luxurious life for months. It is thought that they coincide with the Covid-19 process exactly in the transition period of this Nemesis system, and even bring the 3rd World War into existence these days, and they are carrying out their projects to reduce the world population by taking advantage of these few disasters.

It is also said that because of the epidemic and the 3rd World War, people will not be able to leave their homes much, they will not be able to escape from the mega tsunami and earthquakes that will result in the convergence of the Nemesis Planetary System, and they will not have the opportunity to migrate to safe areas.

And again, it seems like it is planned to bring the people, whose backs were bent by this disease, mRNA gene therapy, and the 3rd World War, to such a state that they would not be able to attack the safe havens of the elites.

It is claimed that when the Nemesis Planetary System reaches a certain proximity, these so-called elites will settle in their shelters and close the doors, and even close the internet to the whole world, thus preventing people from helping and communicating. Of course, they will be watching what is going on in their secure living spaces through cameras.

And when all these disasters pass, the population of the world will have decreased. They may think that they will easily subdue the remaining people and easily pass into a pagan communist and pantheist one world state.

It is also thought/alleged that their science and technology are at least 20 years ahead of what they offer us, and that they are now at a level where computers and robots do most of the work, so they don't need other servant people much.

(my Turkish writing translated with machine):

http://vekilsizmeclis.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5628&start=10#p98929