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What is the Quran?
« on: July 29, 2021, 04:06:21 PM »
The Quran is a clear message in the hearts [God did not place two hearts inside any man's body Quran 33:4] of those who have been given knowledge [Those who have iman and do not mix up their iman with any wrongdoing, they are the ones who are safe; it is they who are guided.´ Quran 6:82]. (Quran 29:49)


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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2021, 10:29:47 PM »
This intervention is the proof that "decontextualization is the open door to all sophisms".

This verse (29:49) is part of a set of verses that go at least from verse (29:46) to verse (29:49), in a polemical relationship with "the people of the Holy Scripture" (29:46)
The part "those who have been given knowledge" of verse (29:49) obviously refers in CONTEXT to those who received the Holy Scripture before the Quranic revelation (Jews and Christians in context).

The Qur'an in this passage (29:46-49) links the word Kitab (Holy Scripture) to a "Knowledge of Divine authority" (cf. le travail de Daniel MADIGAN : “The Qur’ân’s Self-Image: Writing and Authority in Islam’s Scripture“), which had already descended upon Men BEFORE the Qur'anic revelation.

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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2021, 03:34:43 AM »
"decontextualization is the open door to all sophisms".

Exactly...then do explain in the light of 4:82

  • https://mahdist.blogspot.com/2021/07/d.html

    That is the ORDAINBook, without doubt, has guidance for those who are mindful of (One Nature's) God (2:2) He who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again — do you see any gaps? Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted! (67:3-4)



  • Kitab ="the ordain" (of NATURE, Sunnatullah)



    If you take a copy of the Quran, and put it out in the wind and rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our Quran is the wind and the rain: "Read in the name of your Lord who creates/CONTRACT/THE OATH" (96:1) When their Messenger comes everything is decided between them justly (10:47)



  • It is a promise/OATH binding on Us. That is what We will do. (Quran 21:104)

  • It is indeed a Glorious Quran, preserved on a Tablet. (Quran 85:21-22)

  • I do swear by the positions of the stars. This is an oath, if you only knew, that is great. This is an honourable Quran. In a protected record. None can grasp it except those pure. A revelation from the Lord of the worlds. Are you disregarding this narration? (Quran 56:75-81)



  • Accordingly We have revealed to you a Ruh by Our command. You had no idea of what the Book was, nor Iman. Nonetheless We have made it a Light by which We guide those of Our slaves We will. Truly you are guiding to a Straight Path: ie. the Path of Allah to Whom everything in the heavens and everything on the earth belongs. (42:52-53)

  • What is the matter with you? On what basis do you judge? Or do you have a Book which you study? (68:36-37)

  • Truly it (Quran) is the speech of a noble messenger [Our Law proves that we are messengers to you 36:16] (69:40)



    • https://mahdist.blogspot.com/2021/07/e.html

    • The definition of "Messenger/Rasul"

      We have sent you as a Witness (Quran 33:45)

    • I/Rasul was a Witness against them as long I/Rasul remained among them. (Quran 5:117)

    • For every nation is a Messenger/Witness. (Quran 10:47)

    • There was not a nation that a Warner/Witness did not come to it. (Quran 35:24)

    • Messengers/Witnesses of who We have told to you (in this Quran), and Messengers/Witnesses We have not told to (in this Quran). (Quran 4:164) We do not make any distinction betweem them (Messengers not mention in the Quran). (Quran 3:84) They want to make a distinction (on the Messengers not mention in the Quran) ... such people are the True Kuffar. (Quran 4:150-151)

    • We have not sent any Messenger/Witness except in the language of his people. (Quran 14:4)

    • On that Day We will raise up among every community Witnesses against them from amongst themselves. (Quran 16:89)

    • We will drag out a Witness from each nation and will say, "Produce your evidence!" (Quran 28:75)

    • Do jihad for Allah (Sunnatullah) with the jihad due to Him. He has selected you and not placed any constraint upon you in the deen — the millah of your fatherhood Ibrahim. He named you 'those who have surrendered themselves to Nature's God' before and also in this (Quran), so that the Messenger could be a witness against you and you could be witnesses against all mankind. So establish (the natural duty of) salat and contribute toward betterment and hold fast to Allah (Sunnatullah, Law of Nature). He is your Protector — the Best Protector, the Best Helper. (Quran 22:78)

    • [Muhammad reveals the final prophecy/prophet, but not the final witness/messenger]

      Muhammadٌ is not the father/syahadat/6:161-162 of any of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and the Final Seal of the Prophets/Prophecy. God has knowledge of all things. (Quran 33:40) Every nation has a Messenger and when their Messenger comes everything is decided between them justly. They are not wronged. They ask 'Muhammad', ´When will this promise (of final Rasul) be kept if you are telling the truth?´ (Quran 10:47-48)

    • The rasul is (34:46 + 10:47) through (2:124/151) and he who "does not speak from his own inclinations (53:3, 25:43, 23:71)" but (11:17) and (4:82) for (7:156-158, 22:78), (90, 103) and (42:52-53)


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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2021, 12:57:52 AM »
Exactly...then do explain in the light of 4:82

That is the ORDAINBook, without doubt, has guidance for those who are mindful of (One Nature's) God (2:2) He who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again — do you see any gaps? Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted! (67:3-4)
Sorry but it is not about ideology but about text study.

And it is not a question of evaluating in my last intervention the relevance, the interest for humanity of your site and its ideas, but of starting from the text first before possibly drawing lessons from it for our modern life; but always by respecting the principal idea of the text. Your approach is the opposite: you try to justify preconceived ideas in the text, without any link with the main thematic reality of the text. It's just "text manipulation". This is a pitfall that threatens everyone, including me, but one must be aware of it.

Thus, as far as the study of the text is concerned, you are off topic by obliterating the main subject of the text (which goes from verse 45-46 to verse 49) which is, if one had to give a title, "Address to the holders of the (holy) Scripture before the Quranic revelation".
To do intra-textuality is a good thing, but it should not be done in any way either.

NB:
- There would be a lot to say about verse (4:82), starting with the word "(4:82:13) kathīran/much, but that's not the topic of this post.

Glod bless you.

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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2021, 08:59:16 PM »
Quran is a divine book based on the hermetic precepts of astrology, alchemy, and theurgy. It is essentially meant to train human beings in the higher forms of magic and occult practices. You may refer to the following link in order to learn more about this subject.

Esoteric Islam: A Hermetic Perspective on Islamic Traditions (Free Kindle eBook)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0966YBDYF/

A Chemist, a Hermeticist, and a Quranist... I am a chemist by profession. The subjects of astrology and alchemy are my passions.

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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2021, 04:08:26 AM »
Qoran is simply GOD s message to all of us.
Our creator  has sent a last  message-Qoran- addressing every human to ponder their existence .
Qoran is the speech of GOD that details our origin and purpose here on earth .
Qoran offers those who come across the message and want to listen, guidance and  connection to their creator .
 
 Actually, Qoran  offers  us two choices:

1-Accept GOD and heed the message-Accept GOD Alone as authority-
2-Reject  GOD and the message-Live independently from GOD- Accept other authority/ies.

Do you fancy a conversation with GOD? Read Qoran and engage with this task.
Or read and ignore, or do not bother at all.
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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2021, 08:42:29 AM »
Exactly...then do explain in the light of 4:82

Sorry but it is not about ideology but about text study. <- people of "THE BOOK"

So you've dismissed 4.82 .....

Why don’t they research the (translation/interpretation of the) Quran? Don’t they realize that if it(s translation/interpretation) was from someone other/6:112 [shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire each other with delusions by means of specious words 6:112] than Allah/11:17, they would find many discrepancies in it (Quran 4:82)



and absolutely rejects the "IDEA(LOGY/"CLOSER TO TAQWA/") OF JUSTICE" in "MORALITY" and "PHILOSOPHY"?

He gives (PHILO) wisdom (SOPHIA) / to whoever He wills and he who has been given wisdom has been given great good. But no one pays heed but people of intelligence. (Quran 2:269) You who have iman! show integrity for the sake of Allah, bearing witness with JUSTICE. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just. Be JUST. That is closer to taqwa. Have taqwa of Allah (JUST). Allah is aware of what you do. ( 5:8 )









So what's else you have to say that is USEFUL and valid in JUSTICE (TAQWA)?

When their Messenger comes everything is decided between them justly. They are not wronged. (Quran 10:47)

Our LAW (justice) PROVES that we are messengers (Quran 36:16)


"THE NONSENSE QURAN" ... class dismissed :rotfl:

But as for those with sickness in their hearts, it (the text) will only add doubt to their doubt, and they die kuffar. (Quran 9:125)

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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2021, 09:31:29 AM »
Do you fancy a conversation with GOD? <--- :rotfl:

Is God about what HE DOES (SUNNATULLAH = CREATIONISM = LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT)?

We have destined many men and jinn for hell. They have hearts but do not understand, eyes but do not see. They have ears but do not hear. They are worse than lost cattle. These are the heedless ones. The Most Beautiful Names belong to God: use them to call on Him and avoid those who take His name/VALIDITY in vain. They will be punished for all that they do. (7:179-180)


The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name!

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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2021, 10:56:00 AM »
Qoran is the most significant text in existence from the Lord of the universe.
Qoran strongly forbids bad behaviour. Qoran says give up bad behaviour-obvious and hidden- for your own sanity and happiness.
Do you want to learn?
 Free guidance from the Lord of the universe.

What is Qoran? See what you make of it!
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Re: What is the Quran?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2021, 11:13:14 AM »
Do you have the ability to understand my question?  :rotfl:

Is God about what HE DOES?