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For fun, but serious question - what is the translation of munafiq in Qur'an.

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Voting closed: March 24, 2021, 01:03:21 PM

Author Topic: Sam Gerrans  (Read 1196 times)

tlihawa

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2021, 08:02:47 PM »
Peace tlihawa bro -

To be fair to Sam Gerrans he does not use advertising to get revenue on YouTube, also does not have in your face please asking for donations, his translation of the Qur'an is free of charge, only the paper version is to be paid for if one wants it in physical form, so pretty much like free-minds.org does.
Salaam theNabster,
have you check the description in every video he has?  :)
I don't mind in any action to charge someone for the paper version of their Quran translation as long as they don't do that to generate revenue for a living.

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What worries me is his level of proficiency in Arabic, he claims to use a state of the art heuristics hermeneutics method to find the meaning of words, but just one example of a very important label in Qur'an of a category of people Allah strongly warned against, the munafiqeen, he translates as waverers, to me his method is lacking accuracy if it does so & by this token he has condemned all people who are undecisive to the lowest rung of Hell "daraki al aslfali mina alnar" this is not good practice & a big sin to pervert the meaning of words of Qur'an in this way.

There are other things like Salat translated as duty & Zakat as purity, making them abstract concepts whereas Qur'an gives them practical meanings, we might disagree on the complete details but removing from them their tangibility that they are obligations that are quantified, not just concepts in the air is frankly dangerous & makes a mockery of Qur'an.

I am not worry about other's interpretation. Free-minds forum has a lot of different interpretations since long time ago, but it 's fine as long as we are not seeking the discord.

3:7   He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are fixed verses-they are the Mother of the Book-and others which are comparable. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they follow that of it which is comparable, seeking the discord, and seeking to derive an interpretation...

One can say anything, but it's only for himself/herself, and we are not watcher over them,

6:104   "Visible proofs have come to you from your Lord; so whoever can see, does so for himself, and whoever is blinded, will be such. I am not a watcher over you."

surely, we cannot guide other people, but the God does,

28:56   You cannot guide whom you love. But it is God who guides whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance.

Only God knows who is the best guided, not other people,

17:84   Say: "Let each work according to his own. Your Lord is fully aware of who is best guided to the path."

6:149   Say: "With God is the greatest argument. If He wished He would have guided you all."


And let the God will be the judge on the last day, for every dispute we have,

22:69   "God will judge between you on the Day of Resurrection in what you dispute therein."

Peace

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2021, 10:54:09 PM »
Peace reel,

I am very gullible,

Shut up, it isn't you, but that guy's handler is the gullible one here. Using of this community for political purpose can only be a great parody.

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if it were not for Allah's Grace & Qur'an I would be at a loss,
I am fortunate to have learnt Arabic from an old woman (my nanny) of the south of Algeria who spoke pure Arabic of the Arab nomads,
when I read a translation & its corresponding translation side by side my Arabic tells me straight away if it makes sense,
waverer for hypocrite/munafiq is enough for me to disregard Sam Gerrans as an idiot,
the term munafiq is a grave term that consigns its wearer if he/she does not repent to the deepest fiercest part of Hell even below the unbeliever & the idolater,
translating munafiq as waverer makes it a mockery & an insult to Allah & His Qur'an.
/bipolar rant over> :tempt:
May Allah protect us from being in the rank of munafiqeen/hypocrites.

He distorts verses intentionally. He needs to make us fascist.
"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2021, 08:45:25 AM »
Shut up, it isn't you, but that guy's handler is the gullible one here. Using of this community for political purpose can only be a great parody.

He distorts verses intentionally. He needs to make us fascist.

Mayhaps he is jealous of Allah only believers? or maybe he is a subversive paid by Gog & Magog powers that be to further divide Believers, I also notice he never touches the subject of Gog & Magog which is currently what we are immersed into in this inverted morality era.
41:53 We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (Qur'an) is the truth.

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2021, 08:47:38 AM »
Bros Sis tlihawa, reel,

Respect.

Peace.
41:53 We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (Qur'an) is the truth.

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2021, 10:31:33 AM »
salam thenabster

hope all is well

you mentioned gog & magog in your previous post

i am curious as to what/who do you think gog & magog are

peace

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2021, 02:04:41 PM »
Debunking Sam Gerrans "The God Protocol" -
added to my feeds on Twitter accounts @inabster / @meNabster
"But there is a ban on a town which We've destroyed: they (townspeople) shan't return (to reclaim that town as their own); until Gog & Magog are let through (their barrier), & they swiftly spread out in every direction (replicating themselves amongst all people of the world)." Qur'an 21:95-96 -

Your "The God Protocol" no longer valid near the Last Day, we're now in the Gog & Magog era just before the Hour, where all destroyed towns after they were warned & disobeyed the Messengers are being repopulated by Gog & Magog as the above verses show, take that into account.

Also Qur'an 18:98 - Or to qualify this better, next detonation will be the first sound made by the Trumpet when all living sentient will be ordered to die & the Universe destroyed, it is now a countdown to the Last Day, a countdown to the Hour, you cannot force it by O my people, no longer valid.



41:53 We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (Qur'an) is the truth.

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2021, 02:07:13 PM »
salam thenabster

hope all is well

you mentioned gog & magog in your previous post

i am curious as to what/who do you think gog & magog are

peace

Today Gog & Magog are us as a group. The World has been taken over by them - "yunsilun min kuly hadab" "they slither down from all directions" prophecy has been fulfilled.
41:53 We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (Qur'an) is the truth.

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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2021, 11:55:22 PM »
Today Gog & Magog are us as a group. The World has been taken over by them - "yunsilun min kuly hadab" "they slither down from all directions" prophecy has been fulfilled.

Peace

How can you be so sure it's us? I always thought Gog & Magog were different from the rest of humanity? Multiculturalism is a sign of the end times?
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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2021, 11:22:28 AM »
Peace

How can you be so sure it's us? I always thought Gog & Magog were different from the rest of humanity? Multiculturalism is a sign of the end times?

Gog & Magog are humans like us, there is a posit they are a genetic mutation that appeared after Noah around 3,000 BCE, between the after flood & their appearance things went rather smooth for humanity with Satan defeated, they represented the new fitna who were temporaily subdued by Cyrus the Great (dhul qarnain) & pushed behind the Caucasus mountain through the Daryal Gorge.

Look up Imam Imran Hosein, he does use hadiths, but his Quranic interpretation of the verses that refer them is impeccable, I got convinced from him.

Today the Gog & Magog gene has been diluted through all our bloodlines.
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Re: Sam Gerrans
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2021, 12:58:15 PM »
salm thenabster

a theory i am exploring for dhul qarnayn as follows:

i think he was perhaps solomon, and whom we refer to today as cyrus the great

he used iron to close off gog and magog ... and we know that iron was maxe pliable to david which ushered the iton age ... so perhaps we can infer that dhul qarnayn existed during iron age or after (unless iron was used before and to david it was made pliable only as armor)

from verse 21:81 as below perhaps we can infer that solomon was not in the blessed land (which i believe is misr) ... so perhaps he was in persia?

“and to solomon the wind, blowing forcefully, proceeding by his command toward the land which We had blessed. and We are ever, of all things, Knowing” (22:81)

also, given he asked the people to bring him iron ... perhaps the people that asked for help against gog and magog exist in a place where natural iron is found (which includes iran when one googles map of iron in the world)

we also know the directions dhul qarnayn was travelling when taking into consideration where the sun sets and pwrhaos we could also infer dhul qarnayn was at some point in a hot spring (i googled hot natural springs in iran)

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i do not unserstand what you mean by gog and magog are us

... i think gog and magog are simply humans (perhaps giant race? gogmagog mentioned in albion myth as a giant slained) who are somewhere on earth and will be permitted to come out of the land they are in when the end of times comes ... and in my opinion they have definately not intermingled with our predecessors aa you me tion we have their dikhted dna ... but who they are ... no idea :)

peace