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Sarah

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Interest and academic jobs
« on: January 23, 2021, 06:15:20 PM »
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When a student goes to university, they have to pay tuition fees. Many students do this by taking out loans from the student loans company. The professors' salaries are paid with this same money (correct me if I'm wrong). So is it wrong/ haram to be a lecturer or professor considering their income comes from students who take out loans that are charged with interest?

On one hand, not all students pay with student loans as some come from more middle class or even wealthy backgrounds. Also, the universities themselves are not the ones charging the interest, it's the student loans company which is a separate entity.

“And for their taking interest even though it was forbidden for them, and their wrongful appropriation of other people’s property. We have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment (4: 161)”

“That which you give as interest to increase the people’s' wealth increases not with God; but that which you give in charity, seeking the goodwill of God, multiplies manifold.” (30: 39)

As a side question, if on the other hand you are the student who is being charged interest and therefore the one who's being taken advantage of financially, is this forbidden and punishable by God? Or is it just the ones that charge interest and take money who will be punished by God?

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Re: Interest and academic jobs
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2021, 06:58:24 PM »
Salam, please search "Quran centric" on youtube. That brother has a good understanding of usury as described in the Qur'an. Thanks!


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Re: Interest and academic jobs
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 12:36:04 AM »
There is nothing wrong with small interest to make a living. After all buying and selling is permitted.

Usury is charging big interest, which is stealing and greed. Like loan sharks.
I would say making a small percentage on your capital for a living is fine. The question is how much?

My view is may be  around 5%. This is not too much as it takes care of inflation and earnings. It depends on the cost of living at the time.

I would argue that the community /government should have a rule on this and sets up a maximum interest that can be charged that would be fair and just to the buyer /lender and the seller/loaner.
How can 99% up to 2000% loan shark interests be allowed?
This is stealing from people . It is simply criminal.
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Re: Interest and academic jobs
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2021, 09:14:05 AM »
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When a student goes to university, they have to pay tuition fees. Many students do this by taking out loans from the student loans company. The professors' salaries are paid with this same money (correct me if I'm wrong). So is it wrong/ haram to be a lecturer or professor considering their income comes from students who take out loans that are charged with interest?

On one hand, not all students pay with student loans as some come from more middle class or even wealthy backgrounds. Also, the universities themselves are not the ones charging the interest, it's the student loans company which is a separate entity.

“And for their taking interest even though it was forbidden for them, and their wrongful appropriation of other people’s property. We have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment (4: 161)”

“That which you give as interest to increase the people’s' wealth increases not with God; but that which you give in charity, seeking the goodwill of God, multiplies manifold.” (30: 39)

As a side question, if on the other hand you are the student who is being charged interest and therefore the one who's being taken advantage of financially, is this forbidden and punishable by God? Or is it just the ones that charge interest and take money who will be punished by God?

Thanks

Salaam Sarah,
maybe you would like to consider this verse regarding the business,

4:29   O you who believe, do not consume your money between you unjustly, unless it is through a trade which is mutually agreed by you. And do not kill yourselves; God is Merciful towards you.

I believe that everything that mutually agreed by both party in terms of business is good, even there's an interest rate applied. The underlying words is mutually agreed.

As long as both parties agree and respect the agreement that has been made, I think there is no problem.

Problems usually arise when there is a default in the payment of debts. Here riba usually takes place.

ر ب و  = Ra-Ba-Waw = it increased/augmented, the practicing/taking of usury, excess/addition, an addition obtained more than what is supposed to be received, become high/grown up/large/swollen/risen, mount up, to grow/swell, out of breath, panting. rabiyatun - ever-increasing, severe. arba (comp. form) - more numerous, more increased.

It's an excess/ addition, or an addition obtained more than what is supposed to be received. This is something beyond what was agreed upon, such as fine/penalty (sometimes it through legal channels and civil courts).

God commands the creditor to restructure the debt until the debtor be able to pay back.

2:280   If the person is facing insolvency, then you shall wait until he becomes able. And if you relinquish it as a charity <saddaqa> it is better for you if only you knew.

And debt remission as sadaqa is a better option if the creditors believe in God and hereafter.

It is a common practice in the financial and banking industry today to restructure debt when a default occurs. In some cases, bank interest is written off and principal payments are rescheduled, and sometimes a reduction of the principal amount owed (or discount) , depending on the severity of the debt default.

It's not easy for the banking or financial institution to do saddaqa or debt cancellation, since they might be owned by group of people or management with different interests. But I think this is something good.

So as long as both party believe in God and here after, The borrower has good will to pay back, and the lender do exactly as 2:280, I believe God will show them the way.

2:279   And if you will not do this, then be informed of a war from God and His messenger; but if you repent, then you will have back your principal money, you will not be wronged nor will you wrong.

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