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ibn_a

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74:31 Why is iddatahum a fitna for those who disbelieve?
« on: January 10, 2021, 08:14:47 AM »
Salaam,


Why is iddatahum / their number / their count / their amount fitna / test / trial for those who disbelieve / reject ?

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/31/default.htm

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Re: 74:31 Why is iddatahum a fitna for those who disbelieve?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2021, 03:36:29 AM »
Salam,

This verse 74:31 is likely a later interpolation in Qur'an, that was not part of the original Qur'an.

The verse in question is:

وَمَا جَعَلْنَا أَصْحَابَ النَّارِ إِلَّا مَلَائِكَةً ۙ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا عِدَّتَهُمْ إِلَّا فِتْنَةً لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِيَسْتَيْقِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ وَيَزْدَادَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِيمَانًا ۙ وَلَا يَرْتَابَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ ۙ وَلِيَقُولَ الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ وَالْكَافِرُونَ مَاذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ بِهَٰذَا مَثَلًا ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يُضِلُّ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۚ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ جُنُودَ رَبِّكَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَمَا هِيَ إِلَّا ذِكْرَىٰ لِلْبَشَرِ



The litigious expression is أَصْحَابَ النَّارِ / ashab an-nar. In this verse, it is understood as the wardens of the Fire, and those are Angels.

But the same expression is used in verse 2:39:

وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَكَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا أُولَٰئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ ۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ


In this verse, the أَصْحَابَ النَّارِ / ashab an-nar are the people who deny the signs of Allah.

Clearly, it is not possible for the same person, be it Allah, to have used the same expression with such opposite meanings.
 
It sounds like verse 74:31 was initially more a commentary of Surah 74 that has later been incorporated as a verse when later scribes started to make a written copy.
This happens fairly frequently in history.

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Re: 74:31 Why is iddatahum a fitna for those who disbelieve?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2021, 05:39:35 AM »
The Arabic word-ASHAB-  has many meanings, among them:
Friend- Wa Ma Sahibukum Bimajnoon- Your friend is not crazy.
Dwellers of .._Ashab Al Aika..The dwellers of Aika region/place/country....
Guardians of each other: "Wa Sahibhuma Fi ..Look after /guard your guardians/parents.
...etc.
In 74:31 -Ashab Al Naar-are the GUARDIANS  of Hell.
In 2:39 -Ashab Al Naar- are the DWELLERS of hell.

Both verses make sense and are part of Qoran..
Or one can assume whatever is  LIKELY to make sense to them. Unless of course there is hard evidence to go with it!
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Re: 74:31 Why is iddatahum a fitna for those who disbelieve?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2021, 06:40:00 AM »
Salaam,


Why is iddatahum / their number / their count / their amount fitna / test / trial for those who disbelieve / reject ?

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/74/31/default.htm

Salaam ibn_a,
in my understanding, this iddatahum (their count/cycle) is metonic cycle. Something that we can observe during our life time. Here is from my previous posts,

Music is good  ;D

Not because I'm a musician, but I consider the music is one of the God's signature. It's 12 notes pattern inline with the 19 metonic cycle which describe in Quran.

Quran talks about 19 cycle period related to leap year pattern in luni-solar calendar

74:29   A signal <lawwāḥatun> to human beings.
74:30   Upon it is nineteen.

74:31   And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be angels; and We did not make their prescribed number (of time period) <ʿiddatahum> except as a test for those who have rejected, so that those who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say: "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know the soldiers of your Lord except He; and it is but a reminder for human beings.


Here, you should treat the word 'iddatahum' as cycle of time period. Please check the same word used in 2:184, 2:185, 33:49, 65:1, and 65:4 to understand the context.

How's the music inline with the universe:



In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale: for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above.

http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

Also there is another test/trial for the mankind using the palm tree model, you can find my old post in here,

Palm-Tree Model

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609156.msg413444#msg413444

and how it become a test for mankind,

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609156.msg414786#msg414786

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