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Rauf Murtuzov

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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2020, 11:36:58 PM »
Peace/Salam.

On point # 2, messengers have been sent since the beginning of our journey on Earth. Sometimes they are sent alone, sometimes in pairs, sometimes in threes. It is the message that determines the messenger - so, for every genuine messenger there are probably tens of charlatans who think God speaks to them and they go out to promote themselves over any message.
Peace.

I made this thread because Rashad Khalifa said that his 19 miracle cannot be imitated. Some of my research are what I read from internet, but some of them are founded recently some days ago by myself. Maybe if there are more researches, we can find more amazing stuff.

In Quran 51:52, we see that Messengers had miracles, so their opponents called them magician because they had no explanation for miracles. So their miracles can't be imitated.

As for cherry picking, I am trying to go with Rashad Khalifas own standards of trying to dispel 9:128-129. with number 19. I am doing the opposite, by trying to argue for 9:128-129, using Rashad Khalifas own standards.

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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2020, 02:04:07 AM »
The word "Rabbu" 171 times (9*19) in the Quran (9:129 included)

http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=rbb#(9:129:13)

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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2020, 04:26:19 AM »
Salam Rauf ...

Research.. That's good for self satisfaction.. But remember even tens of thousands of river water add to sea,  sea will not overflow..

Why I say so.. Just nullify total research of RK... Not as what waqas said cherry picking..
I add below link in case anyone is new to this..
https://submission.org/App24_p2.html

In the link can you negate Number 57 and 58 at least.. I know you can't.. Are these cherry picking research? One must be blind to say so..

Now what is your decision?... RK and crew was utterly lying with tampering of Quran by holding to two verses.. Or they have given considerable number of proofs.. Why did RK pick these two verses which he knew people would be furious even how much numeric proves.. Wasn't there any numeric pattern without these two verses? There were.. How did they picked specifically these two verses leaving all other? There is reason.. Or is it God's will that He wanted expose it through him..

Are you saying to anyone that what RK has written in the link is erroneous.. And what you brought is more glaring evident so those two verses should remain in Quran?... You didn't say literally but you seem so...
So are these 🍒 picking examples brought by you and NW is enough for one to change his mind that those two verses part of Quran...

Curious point is why do you people in the first place argue with 19 to point out that those verses are in fact part of Quran..don't you have any other way? Doesn't it mean even you bring thousands of proof to coin those verses into Quran by showing 19 that you in the end believe in 19 ... So there is something with 19 .. Isn't it?  Don't you have any other number to negate it like 7 or 13 etc.. ?

Or are you guys so adamant that there is nothing so special with 19 and all such a coincidence which any normal book could have? Such a consistent and considerable number of proofs is mere coincidence ?

What would you have done in case you found out before anyone in this world that there is a strange numerically structured pattern in quran ... Will you hide or will your natural instinct push you forward? Or you reveal like what RK revealed..? Look the curiosity of NW.. Just coz you brought couple 19 researches NW pasted immediately what he posted earlier to show I have brought it before you.. How would such people would have reacted in case they found it first?

Why do you think that it should be started with RK and we in fact see many amazing pattern.. Aren't we? Honestly for me 'Q' is enough.. Just leave rest..
Forget about he is calling a messenger..coz any messenger in the end is believers' choice not disbelievers' .. But isn't there something of a message we all received that made you, and many to explore in whatever positive or negative purpose? Didn't he trigger the lever?
What makes us feel Muhamed was messenger of God?  Coz we believed in Quran... What if Quran was not from God?  So Muhamed could become a liar... So.. Those who explore QURAN and be satisfied in Quran knows that it can only be from God and can imagine that Mohammed didn't lie... Same way. Any message one initiates needs research... If it is true then it's a message... Mohammed just brought the Quran.. But how many things people learned out of it.. Did Muhamed taught them?  But he delivered? 
RK  just triggered but how many more researches developed and being explored.... He may have or may not have counted everything right but he opened the window... For me,  Without numeric pattern quran is just another book in a period where its original messenger is no more... Coz in Quran people can find various contradictions as per their knowledge but not for believers... So apart from believers it is just another book.. But addition of numeric pattern makes it more higher if even a disbeliever research it with unprejudiced mind...


God guide us...

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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2020, 12:08:58 PM »
Salam Rauf ...

God guide us...
Peace.

"I acknowledge with thanks the valuable contributions of Mahmoud Ali Abib, Gatut Adisoma, Abdullah Arik, Ihsan Ramadan, Lisa Spray, and Edip Yuksel."

At the end of the site, it says those who contributed to research. Imagine all these people helping each other with months of research.

That is why you believe in them. The and 57th and 58th points you think that is very convincing, is subjective opinion.

Check these links:

These are not 19 arguments.


https://www.facebook.com/quranicvisualmiracles/photos/a.1754138518178978/2567849243474564/?type=3

Does this means Quran have 6236 verses?


https://www.facebook.com/quranicvisualmiracles/posts/most-massive-numerical-miracle-in-the-quran-extracted-from-only-two-columns-chap/2041139046145589/

In the second link we see that there are points that is made.

For example Point 5 wouldn’t work without 9:128-129

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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2020, 12:30:40 PM »
Ok, I see what you're doing now but my point still stands: inconsistent application of finding patterns doesn't lead to anything useful.

Anyone who believes in code 19 (not you) in Quran the most important thing they can do (in my opinion) is try to get such research published in a peer-reviewed journal. To my knowledge this has not been done.

All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. My articles

www.studyQuran.org

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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2020, 01:09:51 PM »
Peace Wakas
Do you mean jounals like this journal?:
https://ilmauniversity.edu.pk/assets/custom/journal/jict/2.2/4%20Verification%20of%20Occurrence%20of%20Arabic%20Word%20in%20Quran.pdf
Also Saudi Arabia controls a lot of researches into Qoran through universities. Will it allow such work to be publisged and publicised?

For example When a code 19 book was published by a Lebanes press in the late 1970 s., Saudi Arabia bought all the copies and disposed of them.
If Qoran contains any numerical structure , does the checking of it not rest with the one searching regardless of what is published in journals?
Of course it is a choice like all the choices available to humans including the choice of ignoring all together.
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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2020, 01:06:54 PM »
I add below link in case anyone is new to this..
https://submission.org/App24_p2.html

In the link can you negate Number 57 and 58 at least.. I know you can't.. Are these cherry picking research?

peace -- yes cherry picking shuffling different combinations they got two multiples freaked out posted statistically meaningless inconsistent pattern-less doesn't work with other letters, verses, and no difference if cutoff at 9:127, 9:125, 9:123, etc.





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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2020, 11:34:30 PM »
peace GL,

Peace Wakas
Do you mean jounals like this journal?:
https://ilmauniversity.edu.pk/assets/custom/journal/jict/2.2/4%20Verification%20of%20Occurrence%20of%20Arabic%20Word%20in%20Quran.pdf
Also Saudi Arabia controls a lot of researches into Qoran through universities. Will it allow such work to be publisged and publicised?

Yes that seems to be a peer-reviewed journal but the purpose of that article is to demonstrate software that can be used to count word occurrence in Quran.

Also I do not think Saudi Arabia has much control of academic journals. Perhaps that could be argued for journals in Muslim countries but I highly doubt that for journals in non-Muslim countries.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. My articles

www.studyQuran.org

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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2020, 05:33:07 AM »
Peace Wakas.
The control of both Muslim and non Muslim countries is done by America and Uk. Saudi Arabia ,funny enough is spreading "Wahabism/terrorism ideology"( False Islam) around the globe by order and cooperation of the west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUWTqN7UB_Q
 They fight any opposition of views to this false religion.
However. I take your point that most journals are indepedent and useful.
GOD bless you.
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Re: New discoveries about 9:128-129
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2020, 10:12:45 AM »
Salam Rauf ...

In the link can you negate Number 57 and 58 at least.. I know you can't.. Are these cherry picking research? One must be blind to say so..
 
God guide us...
In Shafi Maddhab, Basmala is first word of all Suras. Now we are longing the work of point 57 until the 19th verse, with the work of NW.

Sura No.   First Letter   Last Letter   Total
1   B = 2   N = 50   52
2   B = 2   N = 50   52
3   B = 2   N = 50   52
4   B = 2   M = 40   42
5   B = 2   R = 200   202
6   B = 2   M = 40   42
7   B = 2   N = 50   52
8   B = 2   M = 40   42
9   B = 2   M = 40   42
…   …         …            ...
19   B = 2   A = 1   3
   38 (19*2)   817 (19*43)   855 (19*45)

My name Rauf. The word "Rauf" exists in 9:128
its 2020 (double 20, which is after 19)

Should I now claim I am a Messenger?

The 19th word is "Allah", and total number of letters is 114 (19*6), if we include hamza. Total numerical value of the first and last letters of the verses (Lam, Mim, Fa, Mim) are 190 (19*10).

91289129 =19*4804691
9+128+129 = 266 (14*19)    (2+6+6=14)

19 times with 9:128 ʿazīz   (عَزِيز). (divisible by 19, doesn’t work without 9:128)
(special counting with no letter before first letter and no letter after last letter).  RK used many different methods, too.
http://alquran.eu/index.php?searchText=%20عَز%D9%90يز%20&searchOption=whole&trans=Quran&selectedSuras=1,&analyze=0&case_sensitive=0&non_transliteration=1&srchT=Quran&divNum=19 (This site is Rashad Khalifa believer site, so this counts as 18 times)

the word "l-ʿaẓīmi"
19 times in the Quran with 9:129
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=EZm#(9:129:15)

The word "Rabbu" 171 times (9*19) in the Quran (9:129 included)
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=rbb#(9:129:13)