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jkhan

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2020, 07:58:22 AM »
I answered your question with another question.
Our discrepancy concerns verses 2: 185 and 187. If these two verses are clear, the rest is clear.

Why did God only specify only not to approach women when we are on retreat during the day?

Why shahr ramadan is of the utmost importance ?
What should be done during siyam ?

The following verse clearly answers these questions

2:185    The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur'an was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who have witnessed the month shall fast it; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you to, and that you may be thankful.

Peace...
Unfortunately still I am not getting it.. Did you really answer to Expiation? If you have I won't ask again.. Coz I am sorry for my inability to understand...

Just explain what Retreat is according to Quran and how to perform it?  Most believers whenever they have time they do vigil at night and beg for pardon and even at dawn of even before.. They sacrifice night... But it is not siyam.. They do at will in any day...

What is Retreat.. Or what you personally  do as part of Retreat based on Quran? 
Curious to know pls..

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2020, 08:11:02 AM »
2:185    The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur'an was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who have witnessed the month shall fast it; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you to, and that you may be thankful.

If the verse above is not enough for you, I have no other answers

I did not answer your first question, the answer was in my first question:

Why did God only specify only not to approach women when we are in retreat during the day?


Peace...
Unfortunately still I am not getting it.. Did you really answer to Expiation? If you have I won't ask again.. Coz I am sorry for my inability to understand...

Just explain what Retreat is according to Quran and how to perform it?  Most believers whenever they have time they do vigil at night and beg for pardon and even at dawn of even before.. They sacrifice night... But it is not siyam.. They do at will in any day...

What is Retreat.. Or what you personally  do as part of Retreat based on Quran? 
Curious to know pls..

jkhan

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2020, 08:17:30 AM »
2:185    The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur'an was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who have witnessed the month shall fast it; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you to, and that you may be thankful.

So what is highlighted is you do while you retreat...
Believers magnify God almost daily and thank Him daily.. Day and night..
This is the core of salat and even while Haj...

So magnifying anf thanking God in specified days is Siyam...
Is it?

I make a mistake so God ask me to fast for consecutive two months...  That's by compelling.. Compelling to retreat?  How do you perceive it?

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2020, 08:25:32 AM »
If God ask  to fast for consecutive two full moon, it is according the verses 2:185 et 2:187.

Being in spiritual retreat in the temple or in the hajj has nothing to do with our normal rhythm of life.

if you want to find out, go on a retreat for a few days in the temple of nature.

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2020, 08:34:28 AM »
Something is confusing though...
God has mentioned food and drink in the siyam verses... Even He mentions or not we do eat daily if  we are provided with food.. That's our routine for life... Why to ask us to eat and drink... And also why mentions eat and drink UNTIL (HATHTHA)...  what are these instructions has to do with our magnifying and thanking... Why that specific timing of white thread?  Is it some auspicious time to eat and drink... Can we eat after UNTIL? Pls your comments

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2020, 09:42:43 AM »
According the verse 2:187 :

The sentence "God knew that you used to betray your souls, so He has redeemed you, and forgiven you" concerns only sexual intercourse.

The first time slot when we can approach women: at night
"It has been made permissible for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them"

The second time slot where they should not be approached: the day from dawn until night.
These are the limits that we must not transgress.

We lead a normal life at night. From dawn we complete / continue siyam

"do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples"  proves that abstaining from sexual intercourse is a limit to be observed during siyam until night but it does not define siyam.


2:187    It has been made permissible for you during the night of siyam to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knew that you used to betray your souls, so He has redeemed you, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete / continue siyam until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are the boundaries of God, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God clarifies His revelations to the people that they may be righteous.

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2020, 03:23:07 PM »
Peace sister Houriya,

1. What is your interpretation of the word "MSJD"? I tend to agree with brother Wakas that it doesn't make sense for it to mean mosques or congregational buildings. No one in their right mind would have sexual relations with his spouse in a public space.

2. What is your interpretation is the purpose of "siyam"/abstinence/fasting?

3. How do you interpret "siyam" in 5:95? How is it a way for the violator of the hunting restriction to "taste the evil result of his deed"?

4. Also, how does the timing relate to your interpretation of "siyam" and its purpose?

Peace,

Ayman

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Re: Siyam : spiritual retreat in the temples
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2020, 10:53:23 PM »
Peace brother Ayman,

I asked your opinion on the article, you still do not answer.

Accordind the reading, Almasjid is a place with certainty.

I have already answered Wakas to the question about not approaching women when you are devoted in the temple. No inconsistency.

When you approach women at night or during the day, it is certainly not in a public place, it's common sense.

When we are under this condition, you are devouted / waantum 'akifoon, we do not approach women.

Those who have betrayed their soul, they do certainly not in the temples.

Siyam is defined in verses 2: 185 and 2:87. I have no other answers to add on the purpose of siyam.

Peace

Peace sister Houriya,

1. What is your interpretation of the word "MSJD"? I tend to agree with brother Wakas that it doesn't make sense for it to mean mosques or congregational buildings. No one in their right mind would have sexual relations with his spouse in a public space.

2. What is your interpretation is the purpose of "siyam"/abstinence/fasting?

3. How do you interpret "siyam" in 5:95? How is it a way for the violator of the hunting restriction to "taste the evil result of his deed"?

4. Also, how does the timing relate to your interpretation of "siyam" and its purpose?

Peace,

Ayman