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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2019, 01:25:52 AM »
How can we have a choice before our creation and before we have the ability to exercise it?

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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2019, 02:43:20 AM »
Are we free-willed creation?

No you are not free-willed.
imrankhawaja (and so does other things) is merely an illusion, an avatar, his existence is very very short in this universe.
After his demise from his universe what's left is data / information / memory of imrankhawaja's experience.

The similitude is like you playing a role playing game, you play an avatar in the game, and after the avatar's death (or reached it's end game) the avatar no longer exist, what remains is your memory of experiencing the life of the avatar inside the role playing game.

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Infact the very existence of human being was totally dependent on the parents/bringers at one point of our lives they are clearly making a choice of keeping kid in belly or abort it what makes it clear FREE-will is not given to us from where we started ourselves up.

Exactly

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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2019, 11:38:46 AM »
At this point and also lot of times in my life  a strange "THOUGHT" comes in my mind dnt know about the others.

What if i didnt exist?
What if my parents decide not to bring me to life?
How to experience the non-existence?

If LUCK give me permission to choose between exist or non-exist what would i go for?
 

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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2019, 04:42:28 PM »
How to experience the non-existence?

I'm surprised by your response.. you've progressed much of controlling and taming your own ego...  :bravo:

For that specific question, it's a question that you need to seek out yourselves and eventually you will find the answer of that question.. yourselves..


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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2019, 09:48:07 PM »
I'm surprised by your response.. you've progressed much of controlling and taming your own ego...  :bravo:

For that specific question, it's a question that you need to seek out yourselves and eventually you will find the answer of that question.. yourselves..

Its may b due to the thoughts regarding re-incarnation.

But i have more thoughts,  something kinda strange and also bit difficult to make someone else understand. Anyway i ll share it perhaps it will open new ways of thinking..

So experience the non-existence is same like a self in all space time the day since the self manufactured untill its expiry or may b the self can never expired..

Self use things that can expired and have their life like human body..

By self you can suppose/assume/assign anything to it like a conscious/character/soul/human with barcode xyz etc etc..

I m coming to the main point of my thought ATM in time/space..

Non-existence and existence both exist at the same time and in everytime..past present future..

We existed always. Even if our parenrs decide not to bring a new body to world. The self was searching another body from another human so at this point its not about body but about our own soul CODE.

CODE can only exist in one body at one time we are a CODE that was always present thinking about non-existence as well as existence both are the sides of same coin. CODE switch them from. Time to time... Example is like this this

100 years ago..... Code was there (UNABLE TO LOCATE)
Present..... We know who is and where is code...
100 Years after.... Code will be there..... (UNABLE TO LOCATE)

The border line between past and future is like death and birth..

Its a long topic perhaps need another seperate thread. I m not sure if you are understanding basically i m trying to saying everyone ( was is will) present everytime.

Original Question become more tricky loop can go back to previous cycles and so on like before 13.7 billion years there were more cycles of creation of universes even if u come out from time illusion the creator behind all this sometimes mind just get hang like a mobile/latop when encountring a deep heavy programe. My mind drives me crazy sometimes


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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2019, 12:50:09 AM »
Its may b due to the thoughts regarding re-incarnation.

Any thought arises from the self that pondered on the 'non-existence of ego' will automatically put it in control (but not satisfied).

Because the ego was built for survival and existence, survival and existence are it's major concern and objective. The drive for survival also what drives the wish for superiority and pride. As that is the way to satisfy the ego, by the achievement of those states, which then can make the ego can feel safe and be sure that it's not on the brinks of non-existence.

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But i have more thoughts,  something kinda strange and also bit difficult to make someone else understand. Anyway i ll share it perhaps it will open new ways of thinking..

So experience the non-existence is same like a self in all space time the day since the self manufactured untill its expiry or may b the self can never expired..

Self use things that can expired and have their life like human body..

By self you can suppose/assume/assign anything to it like a conscious/character/soul/human with barcode xyz etc etc..

There's also a possibility that self is not within the body but the body is within the self.
The self is "focusing" on the experience as it experienced within body that's why the self think that it is within the body.

The similitude is like playing PUBG as I mentioned on this thread which you've started:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610801.msg427551#msg427551


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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2019, 05:40:30 AM »
Salam Centi,

I think there are a couple of point here that need to be sorted so the discussion does not get mingled:

1. Nothing on Earth can happen unless God let's it - 81:29 (when the people wanted to burn Abraham, God did not let it happen - even though they had the might and brought the fire - therefore their will was nullified by His will).

2. Future events should be referred to with "Unless God wills it" (see 18:23-24). To my understanding, that is because God takes most souls during the night/sleep, therefore if speaking of an event that will occur the next day - or after - it should be qualified with the statement "unless God will it".
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2019, 04:07:12 AM »
Any thought arises from the self that pondered on the 'non-existence of ego' will automatically put it in control (but not satisfied).

Because the ego was built for survival and existence,

There's also a possibility that self is not within the body but the body is within the self.
The self is "focusing" on the experience as it experienced within body that's why the self think that it is within the body.



There are lot of possibilities we can understand by this saying

" its not about how much is in the BAR its about how much we can drink".

Reincarnation does make sense and also.have counter argumnets against it. As we know it may also due to ego.

Our ego want satisfaction about the survival as death marks the end of SELF so most of the times religion and god concept revolves around after-life issues.

It appears human is fighting and finding a way to defeat death by different ways.
Introduction of concepts related with death are also another kinds of satisfaction example re-birth concept. Mumification in ancient egypt is one example of it. Self in body or body in self start together and finish together marking the end of life.

That concept played well on the psychology of human with a factor of fear and rewards.

Loop started from birth and then death and then rebirth rewaed/punishment what make a human prisoner of EGO(survival).

He dnt believe in death he know for SURE death is in-evitable.
He is afraid and hes trying find a solution in which he settled himself at after-life what make his/her ego satisfied.

From that one concept the self proclaimed managers of God started a buisness of fear and it get sild hand by hand lol..

So experience the non-existence not only in ego but in everything is what make us free from afraid.

Question is how to experience it?
HOW TO imagine the non-existence?
What is non-existence?
What it feel like to b non-exist?

Even i was like 6 or 7 years of age when first time that thing come in my mind what if i never born?
Coz i was 9 months when my father passed away so my other siblings always said in funny way my birth was by chance or more by accident lol.. What make that topic is one of my interests

I have not much information. About that non-existence thing atm apart from some ideas of blank image even the blank image itself a feeling we cant say non-existence.

Some benefits of non-existence u start taking things lightly or killing ur ego is key success.

Its always ego what created a fake image of human personality from birth to death and even all. Our live we have assumptions of afterlife in that ego.

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Re: Difference between inshallah and inyasha Allah
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2019, 07:29:08 AM »
There are lot of possibilities we can understand by this saying

" its not about how much is in the BAR its about how much we can drink".

Reincarnation does make sense and also.have counter argumnets against it. As we know it may also due to ego.

Our ego want satisfaction about the survival as death marks the end of SELF so most of the times religion and god concept revolves around after-life issues.

Death is an event of non-surviving, which is against the #1 objective of ego.
The reaction of even imagining the possibility of non-surviving  is manifested through fear.

That is why controlling the fear shall automatically control the ego and vice-versa controlling the ego shall automatically control the fear.

Ego can identify itself to another thing as well, can be recognized through prefix of "my" or "ours" (collectively). My money, my wealth, my religion, my holy books, my football team, my nationality etc..

That's why even mentioning the possibility of the non-existence or role degradation of specific religion, holy books, money, wealth, football team, nationality, kingdom, position etc.. will trigger fear, anger and anxiety by the ego. A triggered reaction to make an effort securing survivability of the mentioned before concepts.

But to those who has managed to control their ego, such triggered emotion will be acknowledged and 'normalized' thus fear, anger and anxiety dissipates away.


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It appears human is fighting and finding a way to defeat death by different ways.
Ego is fighting and finding a way to eliminate every threats to ensure survivability.

In it's truest sense death is merely an event, just like birth. it's not an enemy to be defeated.


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Introduction of concepts related with death are also another kinds of satisfaction example re-birth concept. Mumification in ancient egypt is one example of it. Self in body or body in self start together and finish together marking the end of life.

Except when the 'rebirth' does not ensure the survivability of the identity / ego.
From the ego perspective; it still means that it will not survive.

For jafar the rebirth of the self into patricia is the same as the non-survival of jafar.
For imrankhawaja the rebirth of the self into Kim Chol Un is the same as the non-survival of imrankhawaja.
The ego will not like it because ego is tied to an identity it identity itself with.


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So experience the non-existence not only in ego but in everything is what make us free from afraid.
Yes, by controlling the ego you will also controlling your fear and vice versa.

What is there to fear when you have acknowledged your own non-existence??

A: You better believe in X or my god will torture and kill you!!!
B: I actually don't exist anyway.

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Question is how to experience it?
HOW TO imagine the non-existence?
What is non-existence?
What it feel like to b non-exist?

Very good set of questions, by questioning you will find the answers.
Ask and it shall be given, seek and you shall find...