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Cerberus

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2019, 05:05:27 AM »
Dear Cereburus.....

Check below verse tally with your above statement....

7:27 O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe."

Btw concern here in this topic is snake  ...do you think snake befit for this verse....

That verse provides nothing to understand satan and how it affects us.

this topic is not about snakes. Someone thinks satan is a snake that is unfortunate in my opinion.

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2019, 05:25:21 AM »
the majority of diseases are of mental origin: fear, anxiety, anguish, depression, burn out ...etc

Satan breathes thoughts into the human beings who are at the origin of these states.

We believe thoughts and we become a thought. Our energy is monopolized by thoughts.

An emotion is the body's reaction to thoughts.

We forget because the mind is monopolized by other thoughts.

Satan infused thoughts to incite Adam to disobey.

Satan has no power, his role is to seduce and embellish conjectures. It is the human being who adheres to these thoughts.

There are good and bad thoughts, it's up to everyone to make the right choice to lead a peaceful life.

Good thoughts are at the origin of excellent inventions. Bad thoughts are destructive.

Thought is at the origin of all that one creates.

God creates by the verb.

I agree to some extents. There is willpower in the equation aswell, as the more we "obey satan" the more we lose AUTHORITY over ourselves.. And the more we "resist satan" the more we gain authority over ourselves.

But in reality I don't think it's about "resisting satan" but rather it is more about growing ourselves. So this satan is a mechanism that pushes us to grow ourselves, or become a slave to it and live in shame and stagnation and death.

For example, some thoughts are loud and heavy on us, because they come embedded in feelings, emotionally charged. We have the capability to break them down and understand them better with our God gifted REASON. So the more we use our reason the more we grow and the more we "mature". This maturing has nothing to do with the aging of the body. This world is full of old people, but most of them are still children in aged bodies.

What happens to someone that has matured after the body dies and falls out ? What is left ? Like a matured fruit dropping from its tree. To me this seems like the purpose of life overall.

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2019, 07:20:16 AM »
Satan has no power, his role is to seduce and embellish conjectures. This is the human being who adheres to these thoughts.

There are good and bad thoughts, it's up to everyone to make the right choice to lead a peaceful life.

When we are identified with a thought, we become unconscious. Thought directs our live, we react instead of acting in consciousness.

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2019, 09:47:59 PM »
2:102 “And they followed [instead] what the DEVILS (satan) HAD RECITED during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the DEVILS (satan)DISBELIEVED, Teaching People Magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they CAUSE SEPARATION BETWEEN A MAN AND HIS WIFE. But they DO NOT HARM anyone through it EXCEPT BY PERMISSION of Allah. And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.”

Why can’t we take this very familiar glaring verse as evidence to Ayub’s dilemma?  Ayub called Satan afflicted harm on him… God calls in this verse SATAN disbelieved and teaching PEOPLE ‘Shihr’… This shihr  can cause Harm people and make discord and make man and his wife in trouble… But everything happens if God given permission , in a way if God willed… So, it clearly means God let at some occasions to such ‘Shihr’ come true… Note that God said Shaitan disbelieved and teaching .. does it look like Satan of invisible creature or human satan?

Why can’t we think from such Satanic Shihr Prophet Ayub and his wife and family were delivered….Why take it as Snake? Is it coz, you are under sort of impression that Satan cannot harm human? Or is it just snake also one of the meaning of satan? Or these two verse completely not matching to be used as satan but snake? what is the root cause to turn to Snake? ::)

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Re: Satan's affliction in ayat 38:41-42
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2019, 02:57:24 AM »
 114:5-6 "....Who whispers [evil] into the breasts of mankind. From among the jinn and mankind."

6:112 " .. And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another ...... ..."

The above verses comparison allow me to ponder that men and Jin equally harm human... 
 In 114-5-6 whispers of evil is from men and jinn,  while in 6:112 shaitan among men and Jin... Shaitan we normally know whispers....coz you won't find in shaitan good ones but Evil ones... But whoever of men who is shaitan are evil men only... Such shaitans (men and jinn)  causes harm and affliction. .

Peace...